Holly would never take a knee during the National Anthem even if she had knees. Check her out on Instagram: https://t.co/XG5no0xXb0 pic.twitter.com/Rcv6Fks00V
— Bill O'Reilly (@billoreilly) October 16, 2017
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That poor dog. Maybe she just doesn’t like cameras, but she looks so miserable. And like her knees hurt.
“My subservient animal that I own and keep on a chain honors the national anthem properly” is a great way to make your argument. https://t.co/xxl2EspRE8
— Seth Masket (@smotus) October 16, 2017
Yes. They do have knees. See circled area. pic.twitter.com/pXro7LQBsy
— ??Ms. Mueller?? (@wethefreople) October 16, 2017
Corgis #TakeAKnee too.
It just looks different. pic.twitter.com/6429bmYdni— Resistance Amplifier (@ResistanceAmp) October 16, 2017
(Anatomically, of course, that’s ‘taking an elbow’, but yeah it’s the canine equivalent to show respect.)
lollipopguild
Bill the clown thinks that this is an actual argument?
jl
O’Reilly is a master at setting himself up.
Has he figured out his dog is taking a knee in that pic of his?
jl
@lollipopguild: I think an attempt at tendentious humor, which backfired and revealed his general ignorance.
trollhattan
@lollipopguild:
Shortened, for clarity.
Mnemosyne
What is it with conservatives and their weird sadistic attitudes towards their dogs? I think it was Tim LaHaye who bragged that he successfully beat the family’s dachshund into submission.
Frankensteinbeck
@lollipopguild:
You should have heard Hannity’s hilarious explanation of how he, an experienced gun-toting badass, would have taken down the Los Vegas sniper.
dmsilev
“Knees go down, knees go up. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. You can’t explain why the knees go down.”
Frankensteinbeck
@Mnemosyne:
I believe it’s baked into the ethos. Hand in hand with the bigotry, they are abusive personalities, believe in tough love (IE, you can only really help by causing pain), and they’re mean shits. Conservative thought is rife with the kind of logic abusers use, so of course they not only commonly abuse animals, they often can’t tell when they shouldn’t brag about it.
jl
@Mnemosyne: I think that was some family values theocrat preacher. Dachshund was dilatory on learning how to take a dump in a people toilet and then one day he decided that the damn dog looked at him impertinently so he beat the crap out of it with a belt.
Edit: James Dobson? He still around?
Edit2: if he is not still around, he might be in some obscure Buddhist hell run by dachshunds. That is chilling to contemplate.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
You throw a stick, dog brings it back… you can’t explain that.
Ah, #7 beat me to it.
NotMax
Bill O’Reilly, poster child for the scourge of suffering delusions of mediocrity.
Frankensteinbeck
@jl:
Oh, yeah, and the authoritarianism! “You are all my property and it is my right and duty to punish you as much as I want.”
Suzanne
Knees are just a liberal plot to shame Real Americans. Alternative joints.
Major Major Major Major
I learned the other day that bird knees don’t bend backwards; what you see that looks like knees bending backwards is, more correctly, their ankles, bending like ours do. Their knees are all stuffed up in their bodies.
jl
Bill O’Reilly invariably punks himself, like a law of classical physics. And, you can explain that.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Mnemosyne:
And doxies are such an imposing breed, too.
Men of god… meh of god is more like it.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Suzanne:
Knees! How do they work?
Suzanne
@Frankensteinbeck: Conservatives really like authority. Both having it and submitting to it. The idea of interdependence is foreign to them. I have no doubt that abuse of animals (and children, and women, and minorities, and on and on) all stems from this worldview.
Mnemosyne
I’m trying to figure out the best way to be cheap and not have to pay $15 a day for parking at a conference I’m going to in a couple of weeks, but I have this stupid sprained knee.
Metro gave me a free month of bikeshare and I want to exploit it in Pasadena, but … sprained knee. Damn it. I see my doctor on Friday to see what she recommends.
NotMax
“A capella? I thought you said On Patella!”
Steeplejack
@jl:
Chilling but just.
Barbara
My beagle would howl at any high pitched singing and never stood up unless there was food or a little critter within range of her astonishing sense of smell. In which case she would run. Dogs don’t spend a lot of time standing at attention, not willingly.
danielx
When you have a half hour or so to watch and listen, why not the best?
Mary G
Dodgers lose.
mike in dc
Trump torpedoed his own “disrespecting the troops” shtick. You can’t claim kneeling for the anthem disrespects the troops, then turn around and be a callous prick when trying to console the widow of a fallen soldier. Well, maybe Trump supporters can manage that cognitive dissonance, but most people can figure that out.
Suzanne
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
Like fucking magnets?
NR
“My dog always stands during the national anthem” deserves to become a meme.
FlyingToaster
FYWP (which is eating my comments and not posting them, and telling me I’m posting a duplicate comment)
Mike J
Republicans in disarray
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/trump-strategist-quits-gillespie-campaign-for-va-governor-sources-say/2017/10/18/02cb5a5e-b409-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.f1545541c1ad
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: There’s not vast amounts of public transit in Pasadena, but there are a few local bus lines that do loops through the city. Park somewhere convenient (and cheaper) and take the bus to wherever your conference is?
dmsilev
@Suzanne:
Short answer: Because quantum.
(you don’t want me to give the long answer. It would be very very long and rather boring)
Suzanne
@dmsilev: It was a reference to….oh shit, never mind.
dmsilev
@Suzanne: Oh, I know.
Suzanne
@dmsilev: I’m ashamed that I know that song.
Major Major Major Major
@Suzanne: it’s okay to be aware of all internet traditions.
Redshift
@mike in dc: He said he had proof that it never happened, so that’s probably good enough for them. Even though no one insists “I have proof” without showing it unless they’re lying. And also because the soldier and his family and the congresswoman are black.
jl
@dmsilev: I request instruction on the relationship between knees magnets and quantum. You can give it in short bits suitable for anonymous comments on a full service blog. No math.
Suzanne
@Major Major Major Major: But that song is so terrible that it isn’t even awesome-terrible, a la “My Humps”.
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
It’s at the Westin. I can park at one of the Paseo Colorado garages for only $9 and then walk about half a mile. Or I could park at the lot near Vromans for $5. Both places are close to bikeshare racks. The problem is the Westin — there isn’t a rack particularly close to it. There’s one on the far side of City Hall, one at the library on Walnut, and one across from Fuller on Walnut.
But, again, sprained knee, so I may end up having to minimize walking and just park at the Westin.
Steeplejack
So I guess we’ve moved upstairs here. Okay, gotta blow a bit.
If I can get through the next 10 hours or so I think I’m home free. My atrophied social skills have been tested to the limit the last couple of weeks.
I had an old friend in town from Sunday the 8th until Thursday the 12th, and my aged mother arrived late on Monday the 9th for a visit. She stayed at Sighthound Hall, and I didn’t get fully engaged until the 11th, but I’ve been doing a lot of the heavy lifting since then because she and Bro’ Man have been getting on each other’s nerves more and more. Because their personalities are exactly the same!—which is obvious to just about everyone except them. They take “pushing your buttons” to Olympic heights with each other. Like Trump and Little Rocket Man.
So she’s leaving early tomorrow morning. I’m going to Sighthound Hall at 6:30, and we’ll take a cab to National, because I’m going to shepherd her in a wheelchair to the departure gate. (She’s still pretty mobile at age 87 but not up to extended walking.) Once that’s done, I’ll take a cab back to Sighthound Hall, collect the doughty Kia and return to my modest rooms in Threadkill Lane for an indefinite period of restorative solitude with the housecat. I have done more socializing the last two weeks—and a lot of that was perilous family “socializing”—than I did in the prior six months. Exhausting. Might celebrate with a fancy lunch before I get in the sensory-deprivation tank.
That said, I actually get along really well with my mother. My relationship with her has improved a lot in recent years, I think because for a while I did a practice of thinking of her not as my mother but as a woman named (let’s say) Audrey that I happened to know and had some history with. That helped a lot. Big decrease in reactions to buttons being pushed. And I’m much more able to respond to her many good parts and not get caught up in family baggage, etc. My social fatigue is more about having to be “on” every day for the last two weeks, when my previous daily routine was more like “Do I really need to get dressed?” and “What time are my stories on?”
Major Major Major Major
@Suzanne: there are worse, which I shan’t name.
El Caganer
Fake knees! SAD!
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: Not stressing the bad knee is probably worth the few dollars extra in parking, so I think just driving to the Westin and parking there makes a lot of sense.
danielx
@Major Major Major Major:
I once saw a proposal for a playlist for fifty worst pop songs….I couldn’t get far with it. It would start with American Pie, then Tie A Yellow Ribbon, then anything by the Archies, following which any sentient being would throw the musical device out the nearest window.
Corner Stone
@Steeplejack: Stop beating yourself up. There is nothing better in the world, *nothing*, than waking up and telling yourself you have absolutely nothing to do that day.
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
I know. I’m just annoyed that I have a FREE month of Metro Bikeshare that I’m not going to be able to fully exploit.
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: Well, hopefully your knee will be better soon (or at least better enough for biking).
Also, another thought: I believe Pasadena Transit route 40 runs down Walnut and stops near or at the Westin, so you could eyeball that route map and see if it’s near any cheap(er) lots. I can’t be of much help there; I live close enough to that area that I would just walk if I’m headed in that direction.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Steeplejack:
I believe Shirley Jackson said, “Hell us other people.”. (But in particular family!)
danielx
@Steeplejack:
All families are dysfunctional, it’s just a question of degree. That being said, your restorative therapy sounds like heaven for introverts, under which category heading i fall. Just having time when you don’t have to talk to humans is a blessing. Cat/Cats just the icing on the cake
Felonius Monk
Maybe that corgi can do humanity a solid by giving a knee to the O’Rielly nuts. Nice doggie.
Steeplejack
@Corner Stone:
Did I sound like I was beating myself up? Hmm, not my intention. I was feeling more like: “We pushed the Jerries back—this time. Smoke if you got ’em.”
That’s definitely true, and I strive to enjoy it. I still have some nagging, mostly subconscious thoughts that I should be doing something, probably because my slow-motion “retirement” has been more like that Florida plane landing in the thread downstairs than a nice, crisp “Good job, old-timer! Here’s a gold watch. Now get lost!” Consulting/self-employment has a lot more gray areas.
Villago Delenda Est
Billdo is a fucking moron.
Film at 11.
bemused senior
My corgi-chihuahua mix, who is very corgi in shape and behavior, either stands with his legs slightly splayed or lies down. The leg splayed posture is usually in preparation for his cattle herding behavior. I’d like to think he’d stand that way as the anthem was played, and then nip the hell out of the legs of anyone who didn’t kneel. He has strong opinions.
Corner Stone
@Steeplejack: Eh, I don’t know. But when you start with “gotta blow” and end with the desire to bail for a little me time…
Steeplejack
@Corner Stone:
Don’t you feel that way sometimes after, say, an extended interaction with the ex’s family?
Steeplejack
This is playing on SiriusXM Real Jazz right now—pretty good: Hudson, “Woodstock.”
Ruckus
How would anyone, at anytime, even be able to form the concept that Bill O is anything but a moron? He proves it way to regularly to have left any doubt.
Also saw that Gwyneth Paltrow received an award that might just put her in a similar category.
Suzanne
@Corner Stone:
That sounds like heaven.
Suzanne
@Ruckus: I hate Goop with the hot fire of a hundred suns. I also think she’s a total butterface.
Not as much as I hate Donnie Two-Scoops. But closer than you might think.
Steeplejack
Soulive with John Scofield and Marcus King, “In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.”
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Damn you, FYWP!
Soulive with John Scofield and Marcus King, “In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.”
Steeplejack
Test: naked link.
https://youtu.be/kaX4uSAZrKU
Steeplejack
I give up. FYWP is spiking comments because of its dislike of random YouTube links. Maybe a sign from Ceiling Cat that I should pack it in and go to bed.
Why, yes, I do need to get up in three and a half hours.
ETA: And I see that someone has rescued my comments from moderation. Thank you, anonymous front-pager!
frosty
@Steeplejack:
Oh man, I hear ya. We have dear (extrovert) friends we visit now and again, and on the way home I said something to my wife and she asked what I was talking about. I said “Just trying to make conversation.” She said, “Don’t.”
Steeplejack
And I’m out. Christ, I really do need to get up in three hours!
Housecat, to bed!
Steeplejack
@frosty:
Ha! Exactly.
frosty
@Steeplejack: And I in 4 1/2. So what the hell am I doing here??
Anne Laurie
@bemused senior:
Yup, cattle — unlike sheep — need to be nipped to get them moving, and when they’re nipped they kick backwards. That’s supposed to be why corgis (and Swedish Valhunds, and Australian Cattle Dogs) have short legs — when they lean back after nipping (as many still do!) the cow hoof misses their hard little heads. Also, why they have such hard little heads! :)
Beautifulplummage
@Mnemosyne: any way to get a short-term parking pass for use of ADA parking? Even if no money is saved you might have less walking.
Major Major Major Major
So it turns out that at work we aren’t legally allowed to work on The Big Project until next Thursday at least, and that may be what’s been going on. I’m working from home tomorrow so I guess I’ll just draw.
That’s my me update. It’s been a bewildering month.
ETA: Anybody want to alpha test that fiction-writing-organization app I’ve been making?
cokane
elbow counts as a knee per NFL tackling rules
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
And I had no clue. That’s what comes from not being in the know about really stupid shit. My gain.
Major Major Major Major
@Steeplejack: I had a bunch of trouble posting YouTube links on the John Prine thread the other day.
Anne Laurie
@Suzanne:
Gywneth Paltrow, age 24, made a perfect Emma Woodhouse: spoilt young flower of the English Uppah Claaas, glowing with the health & self-assurance of someone who inherited generations of The Best. Many people, including a lot of film people who should’ve known better, mistook this glow for actual acting ability.
When the histories are written, IMO, her career will be understood as a long tragic descent from this early success. She’s still trying to be 20-year-old Emma Woodhouse, ingenue, freshly ripe with infinite possibilities. But she’s pushing fifty, and every year it’s less of a comedy and more of a farce!
Steeplejack (phone)
@Major Major Major Major:
It’s a known phenomenon that FYWP balks at random Youtube links, but I’ve never been able to discover any pattern. What’s interesting to me is that if you use the YouTube “share” function to shorten the link address it doesn’t help. Go figure.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Major Major Major Major:
Yeah, I tried to help out and couldn’t get a link to post either.
Major Major Major Major
@Steeplejack (phone): ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Steeplejack (phone)
Okay, seriously, I’m out. Seriously.
Amir Khalid
My multi-effects pedal has arrived! Yay. But the 9V adapter has a Chinese plug (il est fabriqué en Chine, naturellement), not a Malaysian one; its plug won’t fit in a Malaysian power point. Boo. Anyone here have a pack of four AA batteries to spare?
Major Major Major Major
@Steeplejack (phone): Toodles.
Mnemosyne
@Beautifulplummage:
By next weekend, it shouldn’t be necessary as long as I wear a knee brace. The parking garage is right underneath the hotel where the conference is, so it will be a short walk. I’m just annoyed that I have a Free Thing I wanted to do and now I can’t because I sprained my knee. Gah.
Amir Khalid
@Anne Laurie:
It’s a pity Gwyneth doesn’t take after her mother in acting talent.
Amir Khalid
@Suzanne:
Was heißt “butterface”?
Anne Laurie
@Amir Khalid: Well, Blythe Danner had to work for her roles, and to keep working to adapt to new ones; she had the good fortune not to “peak” in her first Big Star Film. I honestly get the feeling G-Paltrow made some kind of (conscious?) decision, once Emma was such a success, to never stop being the exact same person/actress she was in that film. Quite possibly she could have been a “real” actress — and not just A Star — if she hadn’t decided to put herself into a kind of emotional bell jar, forever miming the 24-year-old she’d been so well-rewarded for being.
Of course she’s hardly the first actress or actor to do this, but at least Norma Desmond was supposed to have been successful as a grown woman, not as a post-teenage Fresh Young Thing.
owlface
Hey, so, been real busy with cancer treatments. I’m on my second to last week of radiation treatment. There’s excellent news: I have an extremely high chance to survive with no recurrence. 70% minimum, my oncologist (one of them) says. I had a perfect response to chemo, clear margins for the double mastectomy, and now radiation is for insurance. But I needed all of those things to come out well in order to survive this at all. And they did, so, thanks, that ‘wish upon a star’ gif on Tumblr.
The less good news is I’m not sure how I’m going to have health insurance from now on. I imagine I cost the current guys half a million or so. The state of our country absolutely terrifies the shit out of me and I don’t know if my future will be decent in any way. I’m receiving bad vibes on all wavelengths, and for this reason I’ve taken (and am taking) a bit of a break from news and political sites. I thought I’d update. Hope everybody is doing well.
Matt McIrvin
@mike in dc: If you consider the colors of the people involved, it’s all perfectly consistent in Trumpworld.
sm*t cl*de
@Anne Laurie:
Corgis have short legs because they are basically border collies but with a mutation in the FGF4 gene, which means chondrodysplasic dwarfism. Like dachshunds and bassets and umpteen other breeds. Aren’t you glad you didn’t ask me?
But yeah, Welsh farmers prolly selected for the mutation because stumpy little close-to-the-ground corgis get kicked in the head less often than full-height doggos.
ACDs have full-length legs.
Amir Khalid
@Anne Laurie:
I’m a bit mystified. Gwyneth has been through her share of life experiences. She’s been married and divorced, she has kids. She runs a business. How does she not know how to play a forty-something woman?
opiejeanne
@Amir Khalid: Doesn’t want to play a 44 yo woman, doesn’t want to be 44 just yet.
Butterface is code for “but her face!” Meaning attractive body and personality, but her face!
Mel
@owlface: Glad to hear that the treatments are going well, but so very sorry that you have to deal with all this additional worry on top of the struggles that come with fighting for your health. Taking a sanity break is important ; I just about hit my breaking point this week, too: trying to pay for chemo copays, money worries, and Mom’s Alzheimer’s diagnosis.
It’s okay, and sometimes essential to step away from media things for a short period of time to try to try and lessen the stress snd give your mind as much of a breather as can be managed in this world.
opiejeanne
@owlface: I’m glad you have such good news about your treatment, and I hope you can figure out your health insurance.
Taking time away from the awfulness is a good idea. I need a day or two off pretty often these days and I’m fairly healthy, so I can imagine you might need more time off. Take care of yourself.
Amir Khalid
@owlface:
I Hope you come through all that okay.
Anne Laurie
@owlface: Sorry to hear you’re going through all this; will keep you in my thoughts for a positive outcome — not least on the insurance front.
Don’t blame you for avoiding the political stuff; fortunately the intertoobz are full of pet videos, gardening advice, and old comedies for more positive energy!
Anne Laurie
@sm*t cl*de:
They don’t have the achondroplastic gene, but American ACDs have been bred to be pretty darn stumpy…
Amir Khalid
@opiejeanne:
Ah, I see. Thanks.
Annamal
woooo, nz almost certainly has a new prime minister and she is *awesome*.
Also the green party sounds like they have a seat at the table (our greens are incredibly politically savvy and sort of the opposite of the US Greens).
Yayyyyyyy!
rikyrah
@owlface:
Glad to hear your good news. Sending you positive thoughts.
different-church-lady
How’s the job hunt going there, Bill-o?
Ohio Mom
Late to this dead thread but are we to believe the totally shabby house in the photo belongs to Bill, who is surely a multimillionaire? Did I miss the point and this is a parody?
Steeplejack (phone)
@owlface:
Good to hear the good news. To your health!
Miss Bianca
@Anne Laurie: wow, i think you’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head with this comment! You’re absolutely right, that;s her only really good film role, and to think it wasbecause all she had to do was “act naturally”!
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
The even funnier part of the GP issue is that Goop is the name of a product to remove sticky crap from surfaces. She’s got a organization that supplies crap and yet is named after a product for removing crap.
@owlface:
Best of luck with all the treatments. Breast cancer can be a nasty business. Mom lived over 40 yrs after hers, made it to within days of 95. May you have this kind of results. Too many women that I know of have suffered from it.
And as I haven’t said it today, FUCK Fucking cancer.
amygdala
@owlface: Fingers crossed the rest of radiotherapy goes smoothly and for remission. It’s fine (and smart!) to take a break from the madness and focus on getting well. Lots of smart, committed people are fighting hard for so that folks can keep their coverage.