EMBARGOED President Donald J. Trump’s New Strategy on Iran – And Open Thread

This seems to be the talking points for Donald Trump’s new strategy on Iran. Looks to me like lots of bluster, not going to be good for relations with Iran and probably Europe, but doesn’t destroy the nuclear agreement. And given the effectiveness of the bunch of clowns in the White House, may turn out to be a nothingburger.

It’s pretty long, so I’ll let you pull out your fave parts.

Some criticism now arriving:

Also one confirmation that the document is genuine from a person I am reasonably confident would not say that unless he knew.

I’m feeling a bit more like kittehs tonight, but this is what we’ve got. Feel free to talk about your kittehs, however.


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    dr. luba says:

    I’m seeing lots of what looks like html…….

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    The Twitter embed in the post is all FUBAR.

    Also: Who’s the best Spider-Man archnemesis: Otto Octavius, Norman Osborn or Eddie Brock?

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    Fixed – sorry. I get accustomed to putting tweets in comments, but the rules are different for composing posts.

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    satby says:

    And it’s only Thursday night. Tomorrow should be a humdinger.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    White House Iran strategy fact sheet going around is notable for the complete absence of a strategy. It is just a list of grievances.

    Grievances seems to be the operative word of our times. This is like the US pulling out of UNESCO, because of “anti-Isreal bias”.

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    This is true. I have longer posts, requiring thought, that I’ve been working on and can never finish with the day’s crazy.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    It is just a list of grievances

    Little early for Festivus, isn’t it?

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    @efgoldman: Festivus is early this year so that we can all concentrate on saying “Merry Christmas.”

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    Snarki, child of Loki says:

    This is like the US pulling out of UNESCO, because of “anti-Isreal bias”.

    Didn’t know that UNESCO was behind the “BIGFOOT ISREAL” movement, but RWNJs will be RWNJs.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Spent the afternoon and evening finishing up painting and stuff at my son’s new apartment. I’m getting old for this shit. 600mg of ibuprofen and bed for me; hope I can crawl out tomorrow morning.

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    No One You Know says:

    I’m going with kittehs. The stray blue cat that’s been hanging around for weeks regularly sleeps behind the grill on the back porch and is good friends with one of my cats. She has exchanged a “paw shake” with Boss Cat. I’ve never seen cats do that. One extends a paw slowly, no claws, and withdraws. Then the other one does it.

    Pondering whether to see if she’ll let me pick her up for a visit to see if she’s chipped. If she’s still around when the weather turns foul, we’ll foster her for a bit.

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    What the hell markup language is that document in, one that doesn’t allow apostrophes I guess.

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    clay says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Gee, i know what blog you were just reading. I’ll say the same thing I said at LGM: Doc Ock is Spider-Man’s worst foe, but Norman Osborn is Peter Parker’s worst foe. (Brock has spent more time as an anti-hero than a villain by this point. I don’t think he and Spidey have seriously fought in 20 years.)

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    dmsilev says:

    So, basically the best-case scenario is that someone in the White House has managed to come up with a way to allow Trump to throw a public temper-tantrum without substantively impacting the actual agreement too much?

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    Chris says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    That’s characteristic as fuck. That’s all he ever does, whine about how unfair the world is. No wonder his base loves him.

    @Snarki, child of Loki:

    Note the irony that UNESCO is “too anti-Israel” for America, but not “too anti-Israel” for Trump.

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    dmsilev says:


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    Repatriated says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    What that Tweet said.

    WTF is coming out in the Friday News Dump that needs this much of a diversion (CSR default and this ill-advised and shoddily-produced statement)?!

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    @clay: Yeah; at this point the symbiote is more of a Spider-Man nemesis than Brock is. On a related note: Am I the only person who hears Magneto as having Ron Perlman’s voice?

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    A Ghost to Not says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    How’s the arm/shoulder holding up?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    Movie or comic book? Because Spider-Man 2, with Alfred Molina as Doc Ock, is one of the best superhero movies ever made.

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    Chris says:


    I feel like the Kingpin deserves a mention, too. I know he’s more usually considered a Daredevil foe, but he technically started off as a Spidey one, and in the Ultimate continuity was arguably the arch-nemesis of that series. Where you’ll factor that in depends on your view of the Ultimate universe, but for my money, the Spider-Man comics were actually what that universe did best. That I’ve read, anyway.

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    @Mnemosyne: Oriented more towards the comic books. I also choose Doc Ock as his premier nemesis; what gave him the edge was Norman Osborn’s involvement in his post-resurrection comic events always being a bit forced.

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    Chris says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    Don’t know about everyone, but I’m pretty sure everyone my age only hears Ian McKellan’s voice. Maybe younger people hear Michael Fassbender.

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    Sand kittens in the Sahara! First video evah!

    The video is tedious, so don’t bother to click over.

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    sukabi says:

    @Repatriated: Well since drumpfs lawyers have floated having Drumpf talk to Mueller’s team “under oath” to “end the investigation”, and all the other Bullshit out today, I’m hoping for the first batch of indictments to be made public.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I always really liked Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man. Then again I’ve always liked Maguire’s work in general, especially Pleasantville.

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    clay says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Yeah, Norman probably should’ve stayed dead. But then we wouldn’t have gotten Warren Ellis’ great run on Thunderbolts.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Repatriated: WTF is coming out in the Friday News Dump that needs this much of a diversion (CSR default and this ill-advised and shoddily-produced statement)?!

    in response to yesterday’s tantrum about the “disgusting” First Amendment

    Rick Wilson‏Verified account @ TheRickWilson Oct 11
    Your fear of what’s coming reeks like a muskrat in heat. You’re so obvious.

    How exactly would Fredo or Jared be notified of a grand jury subpoena? It wouldn’t necessarily be public unless they leaked it, right?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I know that this could get my Italianamerican card pulled, but I like making risotto in the microwave. It’s easy and it tastes just fine.

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    Peale says:

    Not a single complaint in that strategy couldn’t be leveled against Saudi Arabia. The complaint about he focus on Sunni Militancy leads me to believe it may have been written by a Princeling.

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    clay says:


    Where you’ll factor that in depends on your view of the Ultimate universe, but for my money, the Spider-Man comics were actually what that universe did best

    Yeah, I think that’s evident. Marvel agrees, as Ultimate Spidey was the only thing they bothered to keep when they ended that line of books.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    I’m not a Maguire fan, but I thought he was good as Spidey. And I love Sam Raimi. He got really screwed by the studio for “Spider-Man 3.”

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    @Chris: Thing is, AFAIK Perlman never voiced Magneto, and I watched five out of the six X-Men films in both series (as well as the ’90s TV show, which had Daniel Hemblen as the Master of Magnetism). I figure that I just like Perlman’s voice more for a villainous character – “George Freeman is God and Ron Perlman’s the Antichrist.”*

    *And THE definitive Slade Wilson, a statement of objective fact.

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    @Mnemosyne: Topher is the worst Eddie Brock, but he’d make a great Paul Ryan.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    I am a “Hellboy” fan. Perlman is perfect in that role.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Spiderman nerds just jacked this thread.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: I looked like him in high school right when those movies were popular. Fun times!

    @Omnes Omnibus: your belt onion is awful pungent right now.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Repatriated: Air strikes on N. Korea, natch.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I can’t remember, did you continue to listen to Joe Strummer after the Clash broke up? I always listened to Big Audio Dynamite (I and II), but I only discovered the Mescaleros too late.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t see it, though I guess I haven’t seen pictures of you in high school. Plus you’re at least 6 inches taller than he is.

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    @Mnemosyne: yeah you had to see me when I was 16. I was still three years from a beard.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Is this a general question or is there a point being made?

    ETA: Our history is fraught. Real question.

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    Repatriated says:

    @El Caganer: Nah, that’s not something they’d want to hide. Did the Norks just pop off another test nuke?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Not age this time. Lack of interest in comic books/graphic novels.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Not age this time. Lack of interest in comic books/graphic novels.

    Concur. Though I do love the cartoons in The New Yorker—is that pretty much the same thing?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I don’t think so.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Strictly general. One of their songs came up on my iTunes today and I was like, I think OO said he listened to the Mescaleros, but now I can’t remember.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Some people are Spidey fans based on Danny Seagren’s portrayal!

    That, according to Wikipedia, is who played Spiderman on The Electric Company. (children’s show) He and Letterman were my favorite superheroes, other than Aqua-Man who could talk to dolphins.

    There’s my contribution to the evening’s inanity, with best wishes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: The Clash with just Joe (Cut the Crap) was horrible. BAD was brilliant. The Mescaleros were Joe doing a lo-tech BAD. IOW, brilliant.

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    Ruckus says:

    They are a bunch of wankers aren’t they? And drumpf is the chief wanker.
    His dad left him a bit of money and he thinks it made him the greatest. It did. The greatest, bestest douchebag ever.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: The lack of apostrophes to show possessives is because they did a direct translation from the Hebrew language document that Bibi passed to Jared.

    As the guy that wrote the report for OSD-Policy, at the request of the Director of Policy, on Iran, Hezbullah, and Iran’s desire to establish a sphere of influence back in 2013 I can honestly tell you that this is a factual/conceptual mess.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I guarantee the fact sheet was written by Stephen Miller. Not by anyone on the NSC or the National Security Staff.

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    danielx says:

    I am told by a physician that “Trump fatigue” is a thing right now…evidently I’ve got it.

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    danielx says:


    Best of all, he could have taken the money inherited from his father, put it into an index fund or funds, and he would have just about as much money as he has now. Without the bankruptcies, screwing his creditors,contractors, and business partners and generally being a shithead.

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    Peale says:

    @Adam L Silverman: yeah. If these were smarter people, I’d assume that the lack of apostrophes is intentional. That way we’re talking about punctuation. You know Maddow won’t leave something like that alone.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I still haven’t seen the owl that lives nearby, but I’ve definitely been hearing it every night, hooting away. It’s kind of cool to hear in the middle of a city.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Peale: I think they’re just sloppy. Everyone is going to make typos and spelling errors and grammatical mistakes. Often, even when something has been proofed by multiple people you’ll still have an error or two. It happens. Especially when people are working on deadlines and long hours. But the stuff they put out on a regular basis is just embarrassing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @amygdala: I’m familiar with the case. These latest developments aren’t surprising. There’s a reason Giuliani has gotten real quiet since July. That reason is sometimes referred to as Bobby Three Sticks.

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    clay says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The withdrawal from UNESCO seemed to me to be Miller’s idea as well.

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    amygdala says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I sounded a little just so when I read it, but if it means less Rudy on the airwaves, then, well, ok!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @clay: Possibly. May have also been the Special Envoy for Middle East peace (the President’s bankruptcy attorney and a financial supporter of the Israeli settler movement). May have been Jared’s idea. Most likely the request came from Bibi.

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    Suzanne says:

    Dumb complaint: I have been reading about the fires in California, and if I read ONE MORE COMMENT in which a smart guy rhetorically asks why we build houses out of wood rather than steel or concrete, I may hurl.

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    rikyrah says:

    Peanut needed help with her homework and called me up. Technology. Her mother took a picture of the worksheet and sent it to my email. Opened it on the Kindle Fire and went over it as we were on the phone. Took no time at all.

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    Brachiator says:


    Dumb complaint: I have been reading about the fires in California, and if I read ONE MORE COMMENT in which a smart guy rhetorically asks why we build houses out of wood rather than steel or concrete, I may hurl.

    People like this haven’t graduated much past “The Three Little Pigs.”

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    You bet yer boots. If anyone should mention the names Gary Uher or Bernard Kerik around him now, he’d blanch paler than Andy Warhol. In it up to his scalp.

    Picturing him frantically Googling “what countries don’t have extradition treaties with America?”

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    JAFD says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Well, if Festivus is coming, how about an October story from the bad good old days…

    Back when the USSR was still around, an American couple – let’s call them Mr. & Mrs. Smith, for maybe that was their real names – didn’t believe the MainStreamMedia and decided to go and see for themselves what the Russkies were up to. So they headed off, one October in the past (off-season rates).

    Intourist assigned them a guide named Rudolph, who was a real Soviet patriot – the Russians had written all the books worth reading, composed all the music worth listening to, invented everything worth inventing, and kicked the Nazis’ butt from Stalingrad to Berlin in their spare time. But he was a nice guy, and he knew his stuff, and they were having a good time seeing Leningrad and Odessa and Kiev…

    Then they got to Moscow, and as they were walking across Red Square, some snow flurries started to fall, and Mr. Smith commented “Ah, the famous Russian winter is starting”.

    But Rudolph replied “No, this is just the gentle autumn rains to make fruitful the Russian earth.”

    “it sure looks like snow to _me_”


    This did not go into history as the start of World War III, because of the quick thinking of Mrs. Smith, who elbowed her husband in the ribs and said “Take it easy –

    – Rudolph the Red _knows_ rain, dear.”

    Have good weekend, everyone!

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    tybee says:

    @JAFD: you should be punished for that

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Is beautiful story. Happy Festivus.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @tybee: @Amir Khalid: I have to side with tybee on this one!

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