In MacLeans, Christine Sismondo also argues “The odd, complicated history of Canadian Thanksgiving”:
… [A]n 1890 feature in the Globe and Mail lament[ed] the slow death of the seven-day ritual of Thanksgiving feasts central to the Haudenosaunee culture, which was waning as a result of the increasing numbers of “Christianized Indians” who no longer took part in these “pagan” customs. That writer observed that these Thanksgiving feasts, which involved religious observance, visiting each other’s houses, feasting and war dances, had been in existence from the time the Haudenosaunee Confederacy was first organized—a vague reference at the time that is still the subject of some debate, but thought to pre-date the Frobisher exploration by at least a century.
This, of course, alludes to the thing that so many people seem willfully blind to in the debate about who had Thanksgiving-style gatherings first: that they were well-established long before Europeans ever got here. Specific rituals differ from region to region, of course, but festivals that saw people expressing thanks for the bounty of the land are a common feature of most pre-contact societies in Canada and the United States…
And, of course, in a lot of other global farming cultures as well. The European groups that settled Canada mostly held them around St. Martin’s Day, November 11th — but in Canada, harvest finishes up a lot sooner than it usually would in France or Germany.
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Apart from that (and those lucky few Americans enjoying a three-day weekend), what’s on the agenda as we start another week?
Then there’s the more problematic holiday Americans of my generation used to celebrate with parades…
Here Are The Cities That Celebrate Indigenous Peoples' Day Instead of Columbus Day https://t.co/mh5o5cOyod
— Ruth H. Hopkins (@RuthHHopkins) October 9, 2017
… While the United Nations declared August 9 as International Day of the World’s Indigenous Peoples in late 1994, Berkeley, Calif., had already become the first city in the U.S. to replace Columbus Day itself. The city’s decision was influenced by the First Continental Conference on 500 Years of Indian Resistance in Quito, Ecuador, in 1990, which spurred another Northern California conference that discussed similar issues and brought them to the Berkeley City Council, TIME has reported.
With the exception of Santa Cruz, Calif., and the state of South Dakota, which adopted the similar Native American Day in place of Columbus Day in 1990, the cities, states and universities that have chosen to celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day instead have done so only recently, with cities like Minneapolis and Seattle voting to celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day instead in 2014…
Holidays change because the people celebrating them do, at least in small parochial ways. In the mostly-immigrant Bronx neighborhood of my childhood, the St. Patricks Day parade was considered a celebration of Irish-American survival against nativist prejudice (c.f. also Boston’s Evacuation Day)… and the Columbus Day parade as its Italian-American equivalent. Even the most hardcore parochialists, especially those working for the government, had no problem whatever taking a paid day off for both!
1. Here’s the thing about Columbus Day—it first landed on our civic calendar as a celebration of American pluralism: https://t.co/84V17rEBmG
— Yoni Appelbaum (@YAppelbaum) October 8, 2017
OzarkHillbilly
It took a bit, but I found something to give thanks for:
She has a smile that will fill your heart.
SiubhanDuinne
@OzarkHillbilly:
She does indeed. Thank you for sharing that story and link.
eclare
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope she continues to do well and has a fun Halloween as a witch!
OzarkHillbilly
Heh: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.”
-Bob Corker.
eclare
@OzarkHillbilly: We’ll see if this new attitude leads to any action, but it’s a start. Corker also gave an interview yesterday afternoon where he said POS could start WWIII, among other things. Waiting for a new tweetstorm today.
Kay
I went to a restaurant in rural western Michigan Friday. I’ve been there before and it’s not a very good restaurant and it’s in the middle of nowhere (so never busy) but Friday evening the parking lot was full and there were overflow cars parked on the road. The sign said “singles mixer” so I said to the hostess that the singles mixer is popular and she said that’s next week, that there was a “Democrat meeting” downstairs – western Michigan is conservative so that seems positive.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
Yup.
OzarkHillbilly
@eclare: He came out against “any tax reform that increases the deficit” too. Also,
Make of that what you will, I make of it that Mitch McConnell’s agenda for this session is dead.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Found this for you last night.
bystander
Thankfully, I can cite the Moanin’ Joe coverage of the giant Harvey Weinstein scandal. We’re it not them, I would never realize that the sexual transgressions of some guy in Hollywood are just as important as those of the guy in the WH who was elected to lead the nation. Because Harvey gave Hillary money, it’s pretty obvious she is condoning his behavior.
eclare
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope so, ding dong, indeed. May call Corker’s office to let him know I agree, I’m guessing his offices will get a lot of rude calls today.
Kay
Amazing story about Russian interference. They hired low wage workers in other countries to say they were from Atlanta:
Of course, the NYTimes also promoted Clinton Cash, so this wasn’t limited to Facebook:
Baud
@bystander: I bet she co-owns a pizza joint with him.
raven
@bystander: Bullshit.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Yeah I saw that over the weekend. It’s enough to make one love Satanists. (for those who don’t already know it, the Satanic Temple is a group of atheists using the rules of Freedom of Religion against the Christian cultists, with a heavy dose of sarcasm to boot)
Kay
@bystander:
Yes, Harvey Weinstein directly implicates Hillary Clinton but Donald Trump’s own behavior doesn’t reflect on Donald Trump.
We’re not the only people who see this:
Baud
@Kay:
They are garbage, but in fairness, so did WaPo.
And exactly when will the Sanders campaign have to account for whatever level of Russian interference they were a conduit for?
TS
@bystander: And all that money they didn’t return – how sinful is that. When it comes to Hillary Clinton – MJ and the FNYT blame every sin of every person on the planet on this lady. I’m thinking it must be Hillary’s fault that trump runs around molesting women.
raven
Joe is hammering Trump as unfit and then talking about the RNC’s stance on Weinstein. Watching the first 5 minutes then whining is baloney.
Kay
@Baud:
It’s so funny how they were all so quick to dismiss that “dossier” but they were more than happy to use information collected by Breitbart. Steve Bannon seems to have some very well-placed contacts for such a rugged revolutionary.
Kay
@Baud:
Democrats should have collected Trump info in a book and provided “previews” to the WaPo and NYTimes. It’s really not too late- we still don’t know jack shit about him, as far as documented facts.
Baud
@Kay: Given what we’ve recently learned about reporters feeding material to Breitbart, I’d really like to look at the internal emails of the NYT reporters. Apparently, though, their information does not want to be free.
BlueDWarrior
@raven: I agree with the Panel, as I am loathe to do sometimes, that a lot of influencers take way too long to come around condemning someone in their circle of sexual abuse. The problem is that this happens in almost every single arena. We as Americans, and probably as humans in general, get extremely defensive and pensive when someone from ‘outside’ starts yelling about what one of ‘ours’ have done wrong, even when it is clearly evident they did it.
Baud
@Kay: Highly partisan and therefore not credible.
Kay
@Baud:
My problem is I don’t see any real way to regulate it. It could be going on right now for all I know. They targeted Congressional races in 16. I don’t know why they wouldn’t in 18. They could be in the VA governor’s race.
Baud
@Kay: I’m sure it is. I’d imagine the Russians are investing in MS-13 right now.
Kay
@Baud:
I don’t go that far, but I do wonder how much they knew about the extent of Russian interference. Clinton campaign people were yelling about it and so were congressional campaigns. This had to be the scuttlebutt going on in the background.
Ted Cruz’s campaign person said they saw it in the primary.
Kay
@Baud:
I love how they’re like “but HOW would Russia know our culture?” Jesus. Watch Fox and you get the Trump theme of the day. This isn’t cloak and dagger.
Kay
@Baud:
It could have started well before the ’16 campaign. Probably DID start before. Remember that fake-populist with the huge head who was on MSNBC who turned vehemently against Obama? He went to Russian television after MSNBC.
Baud
@Kay:
All of them, Katie?
Baud
@Kay: Actually, I think it’s Ed Schultz. IIRC, he was a right wing radio person before turning “lefty.”
Kay
@Baud:
Ed something. Extra big head and really loud. He’s part of the reason I stopped watching cable. The other reason was Jake Tapper and Benghazi of course. That elaborate bullshit.
Kay
@Baud:
M-13 does sound like niche marketing. It reminds me of “Fast and Furious”, where you’re like WHAT is this and where did it come from?
Baud
@Kay: The thing is, it’s hard to distinguish between what the Russians are doing from what our right wing billionaires are doing. The main Russian contribution seems to be in the form of hacking.
Ithink
@bystander:
Isn’t it exhausting though? People are returning their money or giving it to women’s based charities, and are speaking out finally if not as loudly as the Morning Zoo’s crew would prefer. But as Sam Stein pointed out, can’t both Trump & Weinstein be both equally deplorable unworthy of any human relations(s) by other decent homo sapiens?
I’m not saying there’s no hypocrisy or short-sightednes by famous peeps & others who knew about this history all along in Hollywood, just as was the case with Bill Cosby, but seriously screw all the self-righteous douches equating somebody who was a relative unknown (to my knowledge anyways) to the de facto most powerful individual in the known universe in terms of their repulsive sexual misconduct. False equivalency central & all that…
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: I think they are collaborators.
Baud
@Ithink: It’s all about their privilege. They get to do what the worst among us does.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope we learn the truth someday.
debbie
The only reason I have a 3-day weekend is food poisoning. I will never eat again.
debbie
@eclare:
He’s started. The second one:
Baud
@debbie: Oh no. Take it easy.
Baud
@debbie:
Mike Pence is #OccupyNFL.
debbie
@Kay:
Except Corker is one of the politicians who’s worked for years lowering expectations. You created him, Bob. You own him. Or he you. Whichever.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: If they deny it, it must be true.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
debbie
@Baud:
Code for Mexicans? ;)
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: You’d make a good judge.
mai naem mobile
I know the RW is all excited about the Harvey Weinstein scandal. It’s Oct 2017. Midterms are next year. Do they think this is going to drag on for another year? He’s already fired. But,besides that how many people know who Harvey Weinstein is? 1% of the population? He’s not Bill Gates,Mark cuban or Steve Jobs. He’s just some background guy. Important background guy but well known?? Nah, don’t think so.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: Oooooff… I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. Definitely take it easy.
Baud
@mai naem mobile: It gives their base something to talk about to make themselves feel morally superior.
gene108
@bystander:
If Weinstein implicates Clinton, what does the Roger Ailes led Fox News mean for Republicans?
That would be the best analogy, but no one will go there because the rest of the media will defend Fox News as Fair and Balanced. They did this in the early Obama months, when he tried to highlight how partisan Fox News is.
Baud
If we had a real liberal news network, they’d condemn Weinstein for engaging in Trump-like behavior.
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
Just dust ? ?
rikyrah
@Kay:
Will take whatever positive news given, Kay.
rikyrah
@Kay:
The curve for unqualified White Men is REAL ?
Kay
@debbie:
Yes, how brave is Mike Pence for his stupid political stunt that cost 250k.
The Trump people don’t do a lot of working, have you noticed that? A lot of flying around- not much working.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Uh huh
Uh huh ??
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Correction: the BEST judge, the bestest ever.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Looked like a pretty good crowd for a rural county. I couldn’t get that many to show up here.
gene108
@mai naem mobile:
Do not underestimate the power of right-wing media to turn minor things into career destroying scandals.
Who had heard of ACORN or Shirley Sherrod before Fox News promoted heavily edited videos? Or how much attention would the middlingly attended TEA Party rallies on 4/15/09 have received, if Fox News had not covered them 24/7?
rikyrah
@Kay:
They dismissed the dossier, because it’s veracity meant that THEY didn’t do their jobs, which they didn’t during the campaign.
Kay
@rikyrah:
The players go to work after the protest. The protest isn’t their whole day.
The Trump people should try that. They can have their pro-racism protest – I’m all for political speech- but after that they have to do some work.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Because Russia had American co-conspirators!
Yet, ANOTHER story that they missed.
Baud
@Kay: I’d actually prefer they not work, Kay.
rikyrah
@Kay:
That’s a long time right wing Latino Boogeyman.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: They voted for trump. It’s not working.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I do ask again,. As someone who lives in an Urban Area with gangs, how serious can MS-13 be in the White suburbs of Virginia?
Just a racist Boogeyman to dogwhistle Latinos.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: Yep. There’s no redemption from this. But many are still in their bubble and haven’t figured this out yet.
Baud
@rikyrah: My understanding is that it’s a legitimate issue, but obviously way overblown by racist right wing media. And in no way tied to sanctuary cities.
rikyrah
@Ithink:
This was revealed last week, and by SUNDAY, Weinstein was OUT of his company. Show me the Democrat that defended him. Oh, that’s right-there are NONE…. unlike the GOP and Dolt45.
Both.sides.DON’T.do.it.?
rikyrah
@debbie:
Been there.
Get better.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Right. I bet the bulk of the work was done by low wage people outside Russia, however. You knew “cheap as shit labor” was gonna come in here somewhere. The Masterminds aren’t really fond of working.
I love how everyone confidently dates the onset as “when Trump won the primary”- that’s not even true from what we know- we know it started in 2015 and that’s probably wrong- it’s just as likely it was earlier.
Just wild how successful Putin has been. Captured. He captured the whole thing!
rikyrah
@Kay:
Love that the Twitter detectives figured out that the picture he posted was from 2014.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: They’d have to get an honest to dog job first.
Kay
@rikyrah:
The NYTimes is still doing it. They have a piece right now that was written by Trump’s defense lawyers. They are “cooperating” with investigators in order to “clear” Trump.
It reminds me of the Iraq build-up, when Cheney would plant a piece in the NYTimes and then say he read it in the NYTimes to validate his own bullshit.
Kay
Well, honestly. These assholes have been behaving like assholes for 2 years. One would think people would start to figure it out. STOP enabling them. They’re mean-spirited douchebags who use decent people like toilet paper. Stop. Say “no”.
OzarkHillbilly
This guys music defies pigeon holing: Moses Sumney.
rikyrah
@Kay:
They never wanted to DO the job. They just wanted to BE the position.
And, have the nerve that they should be respected.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Which is why when this does come crashing down- no sympathy
Kay
The tax plan has to fail. Trump’s backers will abandon him if they don’t get the bribe. All of a sudden all kinds of “decency” will breakout-they’ll seize on some bullshit he does and say “this I could not bear!”
You watch. They’ll throw fat-ass and his low quality crew under the bus so fast his head will spin.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
Jim Irsay is the owner, a mean spirited douchebag who uses people like toilet paper if ever there was one. If one googles his name his mug shots pop up at the top of the page.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Bob Corker is the only Republican in Congress willing to admit the obvious? ONE? What a shameful count.
rikyrah
I honestly believe that they are trying to kill those people in Puerto Rico. Their racism and incompetence are killing people.
sdhays
@Kay: I have to disagree with this. The moneybags don’t throw tantrums like the left does; they quadruple-down. They never get confused about who their enemies are: liberals. And they know that if they punish the Republicans, they’ll be empowering liberals.
The primaries might get ugly, but they’re not going to turn on Trump. After all, he’s not actually the problem. He’s not particularly helpful, but he’s not the problem. The problem is horrible, unpopular policies with a narrow Republican majority in the Senate.
Baud
@Kay:
We need to start a whisper campaign: “Pence can get it done.”
rikyrah
@Kay:
He has never understood how much they are covering for him. It’s obvious, because we know what the answer to the question:
What if 44 had done this?
We know EXACTLY what the response should be to his criminality .
And, how it’s glaring at what they have not done.
ThresherK
@Baud: Well, by my estimation NPR is due to spend 15 hours this week on how Weinstein (therefore Dems) is just like Trump.
JPL
Recently Bobby Kaple stepped down from the local CBS morning anchor desk, and said he could no longer sit by and ignore the problems in the country. He announced over the weekend that he is running for the 6th district. Not sure where this leaves Ossoff, but I hope they don’t get in a battle. That will end up damaging the dems. Kaple does live in the district, and is known.
debbie
@Kay:
You bet I’ve noticed. He better catch hell each and every time he talks about budget costs.
debbie
@rikyrah:
This is why I don’t understand the appeal of Twitter. First, every single post gets trolled, then you never get away with even a tiny white lie (which this wasn’t). What’s the point of it all?
debbie
@Kay:
Ah, but when you’ve lost Jonah Goldberg…
Betty Cracker
@sdhays: Cleek’s Law definitely applies to the Republican base, but I don’t think it’s always the guiding principle for the American oligarchs who use the base as their pawns — self-interest is. If American oligarchs come to see Trump as a threat to their bottom line, they might very well decide to stop propping him up and direct the legislators they’ve purchased to do the same.
They know such a move won’t pose a long-term problem for the Republican brand. Look at how Corker is being lionized as a brave truth-teller — even though he was one of the “establishment Repubs” who did his best to give an imprimatur of respectability to Trump during the campaign. Corker mouths off to a reporter in response to being dragged on Twitter by the loony in the Oval Office, and the media outlets are lauding his bravery even though it’s his fucking job to address a dangerous chief executive and safeguard the republic.
If Trump is removed from office for whatever reason, the media will make the Republican Party the hero of the story.
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud:
I’ll take “Never” for $100, Alex.
O. Felix Culpa
@debbie: Ooh, take good care of yourself.
Kathleen
@TS: @Kay: Staffers, reporters who have been paid off. Also Hillary covers who knew what when regarding Russia’s activities. She has a section where she lays it out at macro level and makes it very understandable. She also calls out media. She was obviously very frustrated but she voiced it in a professional manner.
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker:
Le sigh. We have to not let them. Uphill battle, sure.
However: the speed of Harvey Weinstein’s fall was incredible. There may be a lesson in there for others. Once something that was gross but gotten away with becomes fatal, events can occur with great speed.
No one stood up for HWeinstein. I was surprised that lawyer, Lisa Bloom, even tried to teach her “old dinosaur” how to get past this. Her own mother dissed her.
We saw how quickly the Mark Foley scandal played out (and then Hastert turned out to have secrets of his own).
These are jerks. Some of them might get their comeuppance, and maybe sooner than we think.
Peale
@Kay: lol. They talk about themselves to no end. It’s not like we’re some lost tribe in the jungle with secret rituals that outsiders are never allowed to see.
O. Felix Culpa
@rikyrah: Truth.
Elizabelle
@debbie: My sympathies.
You will eat again. In about a week. Only silver lining: awful way to take a few pounds off.
Wishing you some delicious toast and tea, as soon as you feel up to it.
Kathleen
@debbie: Hope you feel better. Drink stuff with electrolytes.
JPL
@Betty Cracker:
Trump is suffering from a mental illness, and needs to removed from office. I would prefer that the republicans get credit, because Trump still has a solid base. Those folks will probably just stay home, which is fine by me.
Kathleen
Before or after their 50th interview with persecuted Trump supporters?
ETA
Supposed to be in response to Thresher at 88.
O. Felix Culpa
@Kathleen: They must be on #237 of those by now. The Chicago Tribune just had another today – “In rural Henry County, support for Trump remains but some cracks starting to show.”
Didn’t read and not linking.
sdhays
@Betty Cracker: But what is their incentive to turn on Trump? What they need is to expand the Republican Senate majority. They don’t give a shit that he’s fucking insane.
Ohio Mom
@Elizabelle: I have eaten again but I will never, ever eat again what gave me food poisoning those three times: mussels, cream puffs, eggs over easy at a greasy spoon.
As fuzzy as my overall memory grows, those three events are still vivid decades later.
Elizabelle
@Ohio Mom: Yeah.
People who scoff at food poisoning have never had a bad case.
Kathleen
@Ohio Mom: I got food poisoning on Continental Bus sandwich almost 50 years ago and I’ve never forgotten it. I remember puking violently in front of bus station in Sacramento and thinking it was appropriate statement about then Gov Reagan.
Steeplejack
@Ohio Mom:
Quickie-mart sushi still okay, though, right? Asking for a friend.
Betty Cracker
@sdhays: A threat to their bottom line. I’m not saying it’s definitely going to happen, but I can imagine scenarios in which it could. Like Kay said, if the tax cut smash-and-grab fails, that’s going to soften oligarchs’ support because Trump will be seen as an underperforming investment. If the Mueller investigation bears fruit, oligarchs will be less likely to publicly associate themselves with a weak, unpopular executive who has icky treason all over his administration. If Trump does something spectacularly stupid on trade and/or immigration (quite likely) and the wheels start coming off the economy, they may decide to step back and invest in the next generation of conventional Randroid drones instead of going to the mat for President Crazypants.
Betty Cracker
@Kathleen: I experienced the onset of food poisoning on a Greyhound bus as a teen, and I still associate the experience of riding a bus with becoming violently ill. That and dodging perverts, of course.
OzarkHillbilly
@Ohio Mom: French toast from a late night stop at a Texas truckstop just north of the border (much as I love Mexican food, gotta get some American food after 2 weeks SoB), and beans from a fish fry/smokehouse just off the interstate (they were weirdly super spiced up, I think a cook was trying to mask a “little off taste”) The first time I wanted to die. The 2nd one I damn near did, ER and everything.
Steve in the ATL
@bystander:
That’s the theme of the FB posts of the few conservatives I haven’t unfollowed yet. And, shockingly, they have not condemned similar behavior of republicans.
Wapiti
@JPL:
Pence should be impeached, imho, for not executing the 25th Amendment. He’s sworn to uphold the Constitution; the 25th Amendment spells out one of his few assigned tasks. Impeach Pence first.
debbie
@Elizabelle:
I hate myself every time I think this!
Steve in the ATL
@Kay:
For the record, comrades, I am not a Russian bot, stooge, or temp. Nyet!
Peale
@sdhays: and rather than being cool, calculating rationalists motivated by money, our billionaires might be crazy. They might not actually be above the racism and xenophobia that we assume is organic to the working classes. They may wish to see themselves as leading the race war. Or the Christian theostate.
Gin & Tonic
@OzarkHillbilly: On a road trip one time my younger daughter started feeling violently ill – she was grade-school-aged at the time – we stopped at an ER that was nearby. While the triage nurse was taking down information and wanted to know what the primary symptom was, my daughter vomited on the nurse’s shoes. To this day she has an aversion to sausage and peppers.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: I have many Greyhound Bus memories, a few Trailways and a great Mexican chicken bus memory. My favorite bus scene from a movie:“Who’s house? Run’s house!”
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@bystander: Joe said this?
The guy who left his wife and kids for a co-worker, who happened to be a married woman with kids?
The guy who had to resign from Congress because he had an affair with a married 20-something intern, who literally died in his office?
That Joe?
Surely, someone with such dirty hands wouldn’t be pointing fingers.
Nah, has to be another Joe.
sdhays
@Betty Cracker: I guess I have a different definition of “turning on Trump”. What you describe sounds possible – when it becomes clear that he’s definitely going down, sooner or later, I can see them allowing it to happen sooner rather than later. But I don’t see them pulling the plug until they conclude that they absolutely can’t salvage him. They’re not going to get fed up and turn on Trump; they’re just going to move on when it’s no longer worth it to help him.
I just don’t see them getting out ahead of anything, and I don’t see them blaming him for the (probable) failure of tax
robberyreform. I think McConnell, on the other hand, is lucky he’s not up for reelection next year.David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Gracias,
OzarkHillbilly
@Gin & Tonic: When I went to the ER, I was sitting on a bucket while holding a pot in my lap. I sent the wife in to clear a path. They tried to triage me while I was gushing out my ass into a portable toilet while simultaneously puking into a mop bucket they gave me. After 2 or 3 mins the nurse gave up and said, “I’ll be right back.” returned with a tiny little blue pill and a cup of water. In less than 5 mins both ends plugged up. A miracle drug if ever there was one.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Compazine?
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: I have no idea. Forgot to ask.
OzarkHillbilly
Heh:
Citizen_X
@Peale: Also, an awful lot of Our Business Leaders are, very clearly, pretty fucking stupid.
Steve in the ATL
@debbie:
MS-13 was founded by El Salvadorans and its membership is mostly Central Americans.
ETA: hope you feel better soon
debbie
@Steve in the ATL:
Thanks.
I know MS-13 is Central America-based, but Dotard has stated any number of times that it’s a Mexican group. Five bucks says he knows he’s full of shit about this, but if it helps build the Wall, all the better.
Corner Stone
@Steve in the ATL: It seems as if you may know a little too much about MS-13, tovarisch? Nyet?
Corner Stone
@Betty Cracker:
Which, among many, many things I find stupid about the whole “NFL protest” this is a big one. Because Trump stopped just going after the blacks, he started fucking with the owners’ bidness. They didn’t mind Trump keeping the workers in line and giving them a beating, but when he started saying boycott, don’t watch, don’t attend, walk out – shit got real.
Steve in the ATL
@Corner Stone: I take them vodka, caviar, and Kalashnikov rifles, they bring me cocaine, heroin, and pupusas. Is good relationship.
Another Scott
ObOpenThread – WaPo – Google finds Russia-bought ads designed to affect 2016 election:
Duh.
I’m of two minds about this:
1) Why anyone on the planet is not using an ad blocker on all their browsers is beyond me.
2) Google provides a lot of very useful software to the world that is paid for via ads. Poisoning the well by making it clear that ads are being using for harmful propaganda is a nefarious way to weaken Google (and FB and all the rest that provide the “free” stuff that we take for granted). Weakening Google helps Putin and Xi and Erdogan and Trump and all of the other wannabe tyrants out there. They want to be the information gatekeepers and want to have a boot on Google’s neck.
Yeah, there’s a conflict between #1 and #2. I can’t resolve that conflict myself – it’s in Google’s and the rest of the Internet industry [ interest ] to figure out a way to do so ASAP.
Cheers,
Scott.
Corner Stone
My God, DiFi to run again for Senate.
Steve in the ATL
@debbie: fair point. He probably thinks Puerto Ricans are Mexicans too.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Was there some doubt?
Baud
@Another Scott: The other day, my Google feed posted a Greenwald article bemoaning the Russia meddling hype. Coincidence?
Corner Stone
@Baud: Just wanted to share my disappoint.
Another Scott
@Baud: Maybe. Maybe not.
[ rant about GG’s fingers being all over Manning and Snowden and Winner ]
” … Three times is enemy action.”
Cheers,
Scott.
Jack the Second
Old news:
Baud
@Jack the Second: Look forward, not backward, man.
schrodingers_cat
@Jack the Second: BS is a Russian tool. It is surprising how many BJers still don’t want to admit it. Putin doesn’t do something for nothing.
Baud
@Jack the Second:
@Baud:
Hahahaha. Some things can only be discussed in quiet rooms. Here’s ThinkProgress on this story.
schrodingers_cat
@Another Scott: He hand delivered Snowden to Putin. It is clear from the accurate targeting of the ads and social media that our Russian comrades had help from people who had deep knowledge of politics and campaigns in this country.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Are these Russian staffers and people from the T campaign different people? I need proof.
Repatriated
They were active in the GOP primaries as well. It’s almost like they weren’t just anti-Clintom, but in fact working to install Trump in particular…
Edit: typo.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: No wonder the trolls have been out in force to bring up Iraq. They knew this story was going to drop.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: There was some guy here during one of the Obama care repeal pushes who claimed to be from NoVa whose English was most peculiar and his references to NoVa were just a bit off.
ETA: Putin love has been a thing on far right blogs since at least 2014 when Obama won reelection.
Repatriated
@Repatriated: (Active in the form of bot-farm trolling of at least Cruz when he attacked Trump, that we know of.)
A Ghost To Most
Good morning all, from snowy Denver. It’s a winter wonderland!
Elizabelle
@A Ghost To Most: Lucky bug. Enjoy. How long do you think the snow coat will last? Hours? Days?
A Ghost To Most
@Elizabelle: It is supposed to snow into the afternoon. It will probably be gone tomorrow. Snow doesn’t hang around here long (he says as a WNY native).
The mountains are beautiful with a fresh coat of snow.
Kathleen
@Betty Cracker: I didn’t have to deal with perverts but the bus driver almost didn’t let me back on the bus. He was very hostile as we’re all Continental personnel. Lucily a kind nurse was a passenger and she helped me through it physically and emotionally.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@debbie: I have fun with Twitter because most of the people I follow are writers or historians or museum people and such. Lots of interesting links to books and articles and exhibits!
Twitter, like a lot of social media, operates as a set of (sometimes) overlapping circles, and it depends a lot on which circles you’ve fallen into whether it’s a pleasant experience or a trip through a sewer in a glass-bottomed boat or an amateur tribute to Mad Max: Fury Road or Lord of the Flies. Last night I stumbled across an outpost of Lawyer Twitter, subdivision Appeals Specialists, by way of an illuminating explanation of why “Just joking!” is such bullshit. [This was by Jason P. Steed, who tweets as @5thCircAppeals, in case anyone is interested–I can’t link from work)
RobertDSC-iPhone 6
@JPL:
Ossoff needs to buy a house, rent an apartment, or put up a cardboard box IN THE DISTRICT.
That was the single biggest error he made. He couldn’t even vote for himself. Fuckup.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
I appear to be in moderation–the comment would be just before RobertDSC-iPhone 6 at #154.
NorthLeft12
Happy Northern Thanksgiving to all Balloon Juicers. Its an absolutely stunning day here in southwestern Ontario…..although I am going into work in about an hour so my wife and dog will get to enjoy it more than me.
Thanks Anne for that video. I really had no clue about our Thanksgiving, although I am not surprised at how much it has been moved around. That is a very Canadian thing [ie. our anthem seems to get changed every few years, I am sure I don’t know all the words in the current version].
Jack the Second
@Betty Cracker: One of my best food poisoning experiences (well, probably norovirus) was actually on an overnight Amtrak where I’d booked a Roommette. I’d joked about the toilet being literally right next to the bed on previous trips, but it was actually easier and more comfortable for me than being sick at home.
J R in WV
I had a strange spell of vomiting one night not too long ago – fortunately the porcelain throne was freshly scrubbed and sterilized! No idea what caused it, I cook and we both eat the same thing for virtually every meal, and she was fine. TL:DR: Drink fluids when suffering empty out disease!
It struck me every very few minutes – wife handed me a glass of water between, which I choked down in order not to have dry heaves, which are more painful than just tossing up what’s down there. Eventually, after what seemed an eternity but was probably less than an hour it ended and I was able to go to bed to recover.
Previously my last experience was on a trip to Maine 20 years ago, we flew into Manchester NH as it was hundreds of $$ cheaper, rented a small Toyota, and took off for Poland, Maine, the base for the first week of the trip. Stopped for lunch as we entered the White Mountains National Forest, wife had fish & F Fries and I had fried clams and fries both with cole slaw and tartar sauce.
One of my clams was bad, as I got sick and she did not. We had everything the same except for the clams. As we arrived at the Camp where we had reservations, I shook hands with our hosts, then ran behind the cabin to empty. Was ill until 10 pm or so. Actually thought little clams were laughing at me from between my toes at one point! Illness is so strange!
Woke up at dawn, went to restroom, on normal business, but felt utterly unable to make the planned quarry trip. On my way back to bed, saw that dawn was 4:20 am Maine time!! Could sleep 3 more hours!!! Wonderful.
Had tea and dry toast for breakfast, went to (long abandoned) quarry but didn’t really dig and collect. Rest of trip uneventfully wonderful, brought home many wonderful rocks!! Went up coast, clear to Canada to visit Campobello Island park, summer home of FDR family
Haven’t had clams ever since, which were formerly one of my favorite special treat foods when near the coast.
Hope this isn’t too much information.
Planetjanet
@rikyrah: I know I am late to this thread, but there have been a couple of MS-13 killings in Prince William County, a DC exurbs, in the past few months. They were more like assassinations. Pretty chilling when teens are killing teens. One murderer was a young woman.