Republican Venality Open Thread: “Big Water. Ocean Water.” Edition

Somewhere in Texas, Dubya is grinning like a chimp, making that annoying heh-eh-eh noise. He figures boosting Trump across the electoral-college finish line was a special gift to him from the GOP. So that’s one American who’s happy with Trump’s performance towards Puerto Rico…



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    Elizabelle says:

    retired Gen. Honore on Trump: “he doesn’t give a damn about poor people, doesn’t give a damn about people of color”

    OMG. When you have General Honore channeling Kanye West.

    And from John Cole’s admirer:

    Charles C. W. Cooke ✔ @charlescwcooke
    Early criticisms of Trump on PR were unfair. Now he deserves everything he gets. Utterly disgraceful.

    The worm. It is turning.

    The winds. They be changing.

    All the fake Fox News in the world can’t stop that.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Raise your hand if you though Trump’s Katrina would be an actual hurricane.

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    scottinnj says:

    Enough. Time to start calling every D in Congress and Senate and start having them use the “I” word – Impeachment. Either (a) they start proceedings or (b) as Lyndon Johnson said “make them deny it”.

    Look I hate the GOP tax plan but recognize the level of progressivity in the tax code is a legitimate public policy issue to sort out. But this is getting into ‘faithfully execute’ issues.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I am glad that Trump threw off the mask of competence that some put on him, for his relatively no drama response to TX and FL.

    Puerto Rico’s devastation is beyond the DIY mentality of the “Cajun Navy.”

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    devore says:

    Is our Congress also not going to do anything for PR? Why aren’t they passing an emergency aid bill today? It’s baffling

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    this from a Weekly Standard/Murdoch guy whose head is so far up his ass he wrote a book about how Saddam did 9/11, in 2004

    Stephen Hayes‏Verified account @ stephenfhayes 1h1 hour ago
    In Trump’s mind, PR workers are lazy (“want everything done for them”) but C’ville white supremacist protests included “very fine people.”

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    aimai says:

    I am aghast. AS one of the tweets upthread (better than Ezra Klein or whatever) said we knew exactly where this was going to go–there was no need to wait to find out–but jesus christ this is horrific. This is like multiple years of african famine –> refugee crisis horrific. A competent government would be airlifting and flying out millions of people and beginning a resettlement process right the fuck now. But no republican govenrmentwould do that because it would bring millions of new voters into the presidential elections. The wrong kind of voters. Frankly I’m waiting for the republicans to offer PR a “back to africa” resettlement plan under the impression that a) that would prevent them from exercising their citizenship rights and b) that what the hell Lincoln wanted to do that last time we had such a troublesome race problem.

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    rikyrah says:

    Like I said last night…
    It’s the pure-D RACISM in the response that I can’t get past 😠

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    The part I like best is that Trump just totally trashed anyone’s ability to say “things may not be going well but the guy’s doing his best, natural disasters are hard on every president, it’s just an unfortunate situation.” And that’s what apolitical people pretty much WANT to say. He just made it impossible.

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    @rikyrah: What does the D stand for?

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    If people in Puerto Rico start carrying the Confederate and Nazi flags about while frog marching, the entire island would be rebuilt in about half an hour.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Adam JentlesonVerified account @ AJentleson
    What good is John Kelly if he can’t coordinate a competent Puerto Rico response?

    Matthew Yglesias‏Verified account @ mattyglesias 28m28 minutes ago
    Kelly is by all accounts smart and competent, I’m sure he could have coordinated an effective response if he’s wanted to.

    Kelly ran SOUTHCOM, then DHS, now he’s Chief of Staff. He knows what he’s doing. But certain themes emerge.

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    Bobby Thomson says:


    Frankly I’m waiting for the republicans to offer PR a “back to africa” resettlement plan

    Far too enlightened. I’m expecting them to distribute smallpox blankets.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    Since this is an Open Thread, here’s a report on my post retirement volunteer work with the DC Foundry United Methodist Church ID Ministry.

    Every state and city and county should have a program like this. For four hours a week clients, both with appointments and walk-ins, come to get their ID situation resolved. The Program is one stop shopping as much as possible, and we do the work for our clients. I’ve signed up people to vote, I’ve helped homeless people get an address and mailbox at a church, I’ve helped mothers get birth certificates for their children (why these are not automatically given out is beyond me). The Ministry has funding through grants and donations so that we pay for birth certificates, including getting ones from out of state through Vital Chek (which has fewer restrictions that at the actual state offices, so figure), DC ID cards, Smart Trip cards so people can get from place to place, voter registration, information on free medical clinics, job fairs, etc., etc. It is incredibly rewarding.

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    trnc says:

    I wondered early on if W was racist, but I came to the conclusion pretty quickly that he wasn’t. I think he had it in for poor people, regardless of race. I don’t want to gloss anything over, but I do think he learned a little bit in the last year or so and wonder if he would have avoided the worst decisions (eg, Iraq war) if he had learned it his first year.

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    Jeff says:

    Those tiny thumbs must be exhausted. He should go golfing.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Dave Weigel‏Verified account @ daveweigel 40m40 minutes ago
    There’s a Trump tweet for everything.
    Donald J. TrumpVerified account @ realDonaldTrump
    The federal gov. has handled Sandy worse than Katrina. There is no excuse why people don’t have electricity or fuel yet.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland: Wonderful work. How did you hear about what Foundry was doing?

    Maybe you could do a guest post on how we could help set that up in our communities, and a link to communities that do. Wonder if there’s stuff like that in Virginia. We have a major election coming up, with voter registration deadline in 2 weeks. (Monday, October 16.)

    Terrific, about the birth certs and the mailbox assistance, too.

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    Big Ole Hound says:

    Sad thing is that his “base” will only believe what TRUMP says because they only watch FOX and his tweets.

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    aimai says:

    @Bobby Thomson: That would take organization skills that they manifestly don’t have. People act like they would be more competent with a white disaster–I don’t think Trump has it in him. I don’t think the PR situation is the result of incompetence at all–its pure racist malevolence. But you can’t spin up competence when you want to when the entire organization Trump has put together (such as it is, since he refused to fill most posts) simply doesn’t have the organization strength to carry out the kind of massive rescue operation that any major disaster requires. Trump et al rejoice that the affected areas are democratic/non white in the imagination of their base because then they can pretend that their failure to help is a strategy rather than an inevitability. Houston is going to get nothing from texas because of racism and anti-democratic sentiment. But they got nothing much during and after harvey because of incompetence on the part of republican governance, viz Florida.

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    The Dangerman says:

    So, the PR excuse is it’s an island in an ocean with lots of water. What will the excuse be if CA gets hit by a major quake during the Trump era/error?

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    aimai says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland: Thank you so much for posting this! What a valuable program! I will look for it here. Fantastic idea!

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    Laura says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland: Good on ya! Service work is good for the giver and the getter, and it keeps your heart strong and tender.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: That picture breaks my heart. Don’s kids probably have no idea how to make a bed.
    Seriously, what will it take for congress to remove him from office?

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    JMG says:

    Bush was a bad President. Very bad. But at least he tried to be President. Trump can’t even do that.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Didn’t see that coming.

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    Corner Stone says:

    My God. I was just able to break free and tune in Joy’s show. And saw the President of the US is attacking citizens in Puerto Rico. Who has the evens? Because I can’t

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trnc: I won’t begin listing all the ways I despised W. However, I did get the sense that he did the right thing with the mosque visit after 9/11 and that he might have actually wanted to look at resolving immigration issues.

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    Steeplejack says:


    It’s a colloquial “intensifier.” Details here.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Steve Schmidt‏Verified account @ SteveSchmidtSES 11h11 hours ago
    Our fellow Americans are suffering in Puerto Rico because of the toxic mix of incompetence, delusion, dishonesty and malfeasance of POTUS

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    sylvania says:

    He only got a sense of urgency about it when he saw negative coverage about himself on TV. Has nothing to do with anything going on in Puerto Rico directly. He doesn’t give a damn about the people there.

    Now I see he is publicly berating Puerto Rican officials for being critical of him. What an asshole!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The Gypsy Tweet Curse strikes again!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He called Trump a racist the other day. Wonder why he didn’t include racism in this tweet.

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    MomSense says:


    I think you mean did Nazi that coming.

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    SFAW says:

    I’m getting to the stage where all I want to do is say “Make it STOP!” I’m not yet becoming physically ill when I read or hear him, but that motherfucker is sure testing my constitution/intestinal fortitude.

    If he got tased every time he lied, he’d be unable to get off the floor for days. Maybe Kelly will look into that. And maybe Paul Ryan will stop looking for new ways to hurt poor people.

    Sick, evil motherfuckers, all of them.

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    germy says:

    Fresh off a pres. pardon, Joe Arpaio says he's continuing his effort to prove Obama's birth certificate is fake.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 29, 2017

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    Colleeniem says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland: Do they need volunteers? That sounds GREAT.

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    germy says:

    Jill Stein defends Russia, Kim Jong Un and Trump voters in a new interview with Newsweek.— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 30, 2017

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    Barbara says:

    It seems like the kind of response necessary is similar to what happened in the tsunami of 2003. I realize that the death toll is lower, but the physical devastation seems similar. But we aren’t Indonesia — we have more money — and neither is Puerto Rico, which is a lot smaller. This should be something we can begin to address on larger scale. My view all along is that Trump responded as well as he did in the prior hurricanes because he really did not want it to be “his Katrina.” The scale of the disaster in PR is different. Of course things can’t be turned around over night, but the continual deflection and excuse making and focus on debt (as if that had anything to do with getting hit by a CAT 5 hurricane) makes the response seem more incompetent than it probably is. Okay, enough. Do we have any thoughts about which organizations would be the best recipients of donations? My office had a fund raiser yesterday and suggested organizations but I thought I would wait to see if there were other ideas.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Chris Donovan‏Verified account @ chrisdonovan 8m8 minutes ago
    Ret Lt Gen Honore on Trump tweets today: “I have no reaction. The mayor’s living on a cot, and I hope the President has a good day of golf.”

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    Baud says:

    @germy: she is what we said she was.

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    Mel says:

    @JPL: Mine, too. Those little ones are about the same ages as my niece and nephews.

    I shudder to think of anyone not properly trained and equipped with safety gear / backup having to attempt to clear debris after such devastation, amidst the threats of broken branches / trees falling, downed power lines, contamination from sewage spills, lack of medical care, etc etc.

    But those tiny children – there are no words for how horrible this whole nightmarish situation is.

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    @JPL: Nothing, unless we get D Congress.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Corner Stone:
    It can’t be the same few insults every day. People would get bored. He has to offer variety.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Kelly is a general who likes T and his agenda, so this lack of response is not surprising. He faithfully toed the line at DHS through deportations of non-criminals and the Muslim ban.

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    MomSense says:


    Welcome to our mad as hell club.

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    @MomSense: Been there since last November.

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    MomSense says:


    Same for me. We are founding members.

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    Mel says:


    This is an organization that has a good reputation and reportedly has begun a program of hurricane relief.

    Consumer Reports also has a brief mention of a few smaller, specialized charities (such as one that has “boots on the ground” staff find out directly from local medical personnel what specific medicines and supplies they need and then access and supply those items).

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    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California) says:

    My head is about to explode. This one is personal for me. The Mayor of San Juan is showing “poor leadership”???

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    Corner Stone says:

    I know we’re all sick of playing the “what if a D had said X” game, but it is unimagniable to consider what would be happening right now if Obama had said any variant of “lazy people want everything done for them”.

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    Mel says:

    Here is the Consumer Reports link.

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    MJS says:

    @schrodingers_cat: In other words, Kelly is an absolute fucking pig, too. I don’t care how many times he’s caught cringing at something Trump says. He’s only cringing because he’s thinking, “You’re not supposed to say it out loud.”

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    Suzanne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The mayor’s living on a cot, and I hope the President has a good day of golf.

    Dude. Rush him to the burn unit.

    OTOH, don’t.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    This tweeter doesn’t say where she’s posting from, but sadly it could be anywhere in the country

    IntoTheVoidScreaming‏ @ DamselDisgusted
    Yesterday on a local radio station, DJ: “I know they’re citizens, but are the really Americans? They say they are while begging us for help”
    She said it was annoying how CNN was covering PR so much, and that they kept calling PRs Americans. I was shocked and called the station.
    If someone feels comfortable saying that on live radio, how many believe that? Staggering.
    I’m just now realizing how bad things have been. People of color have seen it all along. How must they feel? 😔

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    mpem says:

    A woman I know who has family in Puerto Rico says the situation is much worse than the new reports describe. No food, no water, medicine, electricity, phones – nothing. She has been able to reach most of her family. They survived the hurricane, but do not know how much longer they can hold on. As for drivers to deliver the supplies, they are being turned away, even licensed drivers.

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    GregB says:

    He is the horror we feared in the days after the election.

    He’s getting ready to bring Iran and North Korea into his swirling maelstrom of insanity.

    I have said before, I will be shocked if there aren’t millions dead by his neglect and direct action before he leaves office.

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    SiubhanDuinne (at some point in the indeterminate future to be known by my real name, Judith Mann Costello, but maybe not quite yet) says:


    As for drivers to deliver the supplies, they are being turned away, even licensed drivers.

    Wait, who’s turning them away? Surely not the PR authorities — they’ve been begging for drivers.

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    gene108 says:


    wondered early on if W was racist, but I came to the conclusion pretty quickly that he wasn’t.

    I give him credit for a few things. One is making sure to have an inclusive Cabinet. He appointed the first African-American, and female African American Secretary of State, first Latino AG, and probably other firsts for women and minorities to head departments and agencies.

    He really did try to make the Republican Party seem inclusive.

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    sylvania says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Kelly is supposedly getting annoyed with the toddler-in-chief. Supposedly. Supposedly not a fan. Supposedly. The ‘leaks’ suggest he is doing it out of a sense of duty to the country. Yea whatever but I do believe the part about him butting heads with the toddler.

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    Steeplejack says:

    I wish somebody would kick Republican consultant Katon Dawson in the nuts. I would love to hear him scream “Ow! My balls!” in his syrupy Southern accent.

    Joy is letting him gas on for way too many segments.

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    @gene108: And I remember him going to the mosque in DC after 9/11, which sent a powerful message.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Tears! And my student who said, “I just wish I could be there with my family, but my mother says she’s so glad my brother and I are in the U.S.”

    DJT isn’t worth that young woman’s little toe.

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    @sylvania: Kelly may not like T’s behavior but from his actions so far he seems like he agrees with the agenda.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steeplejack: Huh, Joy usually shuts them down pretty quick. Makes her pretty much unique on EvenTheLiberalMSNBC

    also, too
    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @ realDonaldTrump 23 Aug 2016
    President Obama should have gone to Louisiana days ago, instead of golfing. Too little, too late!

    FTR: I think the whole Presidential visit thing is, usually, just photo-ops, especially in the age of wall-to-wall media. trump could be giving press conferences at his tack golf course, telling people what he’s doing and how they can help.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack: She seems to really like him, and I guess he is about the most polite R rep you can book these days. But he will speak the truth for about 15 seconds and then obfuscate, bullshit and twist to a different topic for the other 45.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I suppose Donnie is expecting a “crowd” of people in MAGA hats and banners smiling and throwing rose petals at him from 50 feet away while he’s barricaded behind some APC and a bunch of snipers – kinda like last time.

    Here’s hoping that he gets a more realistic reception in PR if he gets out of his SUV…


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    gene108 says:


    Yeah, that was important.

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    @gene108: Unlike Rajiv Gandhi after his mother’s assassination or Modi after Godhra, W did the right thing. We know how T will act.

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    Timurid says:

    @Another Scott:

    It could easily be a Nixon in Venezuela-style trainwreck…

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the trip gets canceled.

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    Steeplejack says:


    [. . .] first African-American, and female African-American Secretary of State, first Latino AG [. . .].

    All of whom were hacks, but, hey, milestones.

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    mpem says:

    @SiubhanDuinne (at some point in the indeterminate future to be known by my real name, Judith Mann Costello, but maybe not quite yet): Don’t know for sure. Something seen on I assume CNN from the way it was described. Her point was a lot of explanations and excuses we are hearing are wrong.

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    Gretchen says:

    Rachel Maddow did an interview Thursday night where a Puerto Rican mayor said all the government people were in an air-conditioned convention center in San Juan and they insisted that the mayor of each town had to personally go there to apply for aid. One mayor had a 3 hour drive and had to scrounge scarce fuel that could have been put to better uses to make the trip.
    When they talk about drivers, I think of all the washed out, mudslide-covered, and debris-blocked roads. I’m thinking they’re going to need airlifts. And it would have been nice if they’d started preparing for that before the storm hit.

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    frosty says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland:

    my post retirement volunteer work with the DC Foundry United Methodist Church ID Ministry.

    This is great, it’s something I’d like to do for a few hours a week/month but I haven’t seen anyone actually out there getting IDs instead of asking for money. Thanks for posting it.

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    Gretchen says:

    Hillary Clinton tweeted right after the storm that the hospital ship Comfort should go there. Trump officials finally got on that, I think, Thursday, and it takes four days to get there.

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    Given Trump’s record, I don’t think it’s conspiracy thinking that he wants Puerto Ricans to die.

    In this one case, Trump doesn’t have to be competent. Neither does his cabinet. It would help a great deal, yes. But the military has extensive experience with this, and he refuses to let them do it. This is not just incompetence. This is deliberate.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Alex Witt is simply the wrong person to have interviewing an R Rep on the new tax cut plan. Jesus, she is bad.
    Witt is getting majorly rolled.

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    Kay says:

    Everyone in Puerto Rico probably hates us. They should. We’re horrible.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Timurid: If Trump had one competent person in the WH they would say something like, “I am going to delay my trip to PR for a few days so we can laser focus on total, complete and beautiful ramp up.”
    It would be hard to say thanks to his golf trip, but better than having SS members kill PR residents when they start mobbing him and chanting, “Meat! Meat! Meat!”

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    My guess is that they think of themselves as ‘us’, and they hate Trump. Only actual Puerto Ricans could tell us.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack: There is a special place in hell for Colin Powell. And who knew that Condi’s USSR/Russian expertise was first too late for the times and now in demand again?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I just rolled up to noon on the DVR and turned it off. I’ve done my due diligence for the day. Now I’ve got the TV parked on soothing, soporific golf while I recharge.

    ETA: Hold on! Chelsea-Manchester City coming up in just a few minutes.

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    scav says:

    I’m hovering between Trump as the id or mirror of “real” ‘mercan’s ™ Heart ‘n’ Soul (copyright fiercely defended by the Republican Corp LLC) but it’s certainly what I’ve see revealed in far too many of my fellow citizens faces. Masks are dropping and that smug orange core is shining through what once were thought familar, even comfortable, trusted, faces. Trump is not only their designated anger translater, he’s their dream and aspiration megaphone. Voting for him was a moral tattoo that isn’t going away. It’s pretty nauseating to discover what sort of people are actually family and neighbors, and what shabby, mean little dreams and ethical frameworks they possess and worship.

    I mean, a lot of the above is detect obvious and I’d suspected they were dodgy before, but the scale of it is more than expected or hoped for. Evidently my inner curmudgeon was a little more dewey-eyed than I thought.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Finally, some Velshi & Ruhle. Like to see that NY R Congresswomen try her bullshit on with them.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Reading between the lines of items like Gretchen‘s, it seems to me that there’s a ludicrous concern about the possibility of “welfare fraud.” They seem preoccupied with the idea that aid will go awry, which is why they’re being stingy and discouraging about it.

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    SuzieC says:

    The vile orange fart cloud has not an ounce of human decency, empathy, or compassion.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    [. . .] but better than having SS members kill PR residents [. . .].

    How telling that at first I thought of the wrong kind of SS.

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    Kay says:


    I’ve never been- I travel by auto-MO-bile- I “tour” in my LeSabre- but my son has and he said the same thing about the roads.

    Why didn’t they prepare? We have a GIANT military. We know they can land on an island. Does Kelly hate brown people too?

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    Kay says:


    She tweeted a list, which cracked me up. She’d be GREAT at this. Oh, well. We hired the lesser applicant. It happens.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @Elizabelle: I found out about it on the internet. The only other place which seemed similar is an organization in Arizona. The ID Ministry at Foundry has been in place for a while — I don’t feel competent to “front page it.” But I will ask the minister and paid staff if there are similar projects in VA and Maryland and West VA and if this is a stand alone for Foundry or if it is connected to the larger Methodist Church organization.

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    SiubhanDuinne (at some point in the indeterminate future to be known by my real name, Judith Mann Costello, but maybe not quite yet) says:


    Heh. I too thought Schutzstaffel before I realized it was Secret Service.

    I say “heh,” but that’s actually a horrible and tragic commentary on where we are.

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    Kay says:

    I think I could take Trump’s incompetence better if he were charismatic and likeable- you’d say “well, you can’t beat that charisma!” but he’s such a mean-spirited jerk you don’t even have that. Nothing. No redeeming qualities.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Don’t tempt me.

    Ruhle has been en fuego lately. A few months ago I thought she was dangerously close to being a Republican apologist, Chamber of Commerce division. “Business cannot fail; it can only be failed.” I didn’t see her for quite a while—I know she’s on during the day—and then lately she’s been popping up in the evening and really bringing it with the thunder.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Kay: I think the lesser applicant defrauded his way into the job. We did hire the better applicant.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @Colleeniem: I think so. It was certainly easy for me to sign up, and I’m not a member of the church, and I don’t live in D.C. The link for the Foundry ID Ministry is here.

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    MomSense says:


    Yes. He recently said Mexico was on the verge of collapse like Venezuela. Wingnut warrior.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @germy: Goddammit, fuck her and her deluded voters. Do. Not. Care.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @frosty: There are specific times for the ID Ministry. Most people set up appointments through their case worker, shelter contact, etc. I’ve not yet met anyone who just wanted cash. Some have been very anxious to get Smart Cards, and most of the clients know we have them, but we don’t give them out unless a person has to go to multiple sites and specifically asks for one.

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    @Kay: I judge him by his actions as the DHS secretary. More recently he said that DACA was unconstitutional. You can judge for yourself.

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    frosty says:

    @Cheryl from Maryland: Thanks. I was referring to organizations who are fundraising, not individuals. So far I haven’t seen VoteRiders setting up something like the ID Foundry.

    I’ll look a little more. WI, and especially MI need this. So far the PA Supreme Court has blocked ID but we should get started on getting people set up now just in case.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    That’s the one Lin-Manuel Miranda is promoting.

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    Steeplejack says:


    Yeah, like “Well, he tries, the big lug!” Rueful shrug. And if he had a hyper-efficient Radar O’Reilly at his elbow to do all the real work.

    Yeah, no.

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    Here’s an Act Blue website for donating to help Puerto Ricans.

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    SFAW says:

    @MomSense: @schrodingers_cat:

    I’ve been there since about then, too.

    It’s just that, for most of the time so far, I’ve been able to channel that anger into something more than wanting to assume the fetal position. But that racist, fascist, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks, evil, narcissistic, fat-ass, bigoted, lying, evil, grifting, traitorous, hate-filled, stupid, lying, evil motherfucker is starting to wear me down.

    And, yes, I know I used some adjectives more than once. So? That motherfucker lies more than any three people I know, and is more evil than any 10 true Americans (not to be confused with “Real ‘Muricans.”)

    Fuck him.

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    MomSense says:


    I can’t shake the anger. That’s why I try to do one thing every day to resist. Even still, it’s overwhelming at times especially because I think the election was stolen from us and all this bullshit is the result of an act of war by a hostile power with the help of trump’s campaign, the media, Republican voter suppression, and big money.

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    sukabi says:

    @scottinnj: not just dems. Every. Single. Congress. Person. needs to be bombarded with calls, faxes, ECT. Demanding Drumpf be impeached for failure to do his damned job and gross incompetence.

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    rikyrah says:

    Abby D. Phillip‏Verified account @abbydphillip

    Abby D. Phillip Retweeted Sarah Sanders

    We asked WH & FEMA to tell us if Trump was briefed between 9/22-9/25 by anyone directly involved in hurricane response. They refused.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    No. I despised GWB but could see how someone might like him if they didn’t pay too much attention.

    This guy inspires projectile vomiting on first glance.

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    JPL says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: You should put up a post with this picture next to the picture of the Trump children skiing. The contrast is amazing.

    I have such deep hatred for all of them.

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    MomSense says:


    Seeing them with the little toy dump truck makes me cry.

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    SFAW says:


    Be careful. You fuck with SiubhanDuinne’s new (so to speak) nym/nom too much, and she might revert to her Mob Enforcer persona, just for you.

    That being said: nice job.

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    JGabriel says:


    Raise your hand if you though Trump’s Katrina would be an actual hurricane.

    [Raises hand.]

    Not that I thought it when he got elected or took office. But once hurricane season got underway, then I thought about what Trump’s response would be when a really big hurricane hit, and knew there was a very strong possibility that a big hurricane this year could become Trump’s Katrina.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Ooh, good point. Being quiet now.

    I will continue to mentally correct her Canadian spelling, however.

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    JPL says:

    @MomSense: It’s just so damn sad.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    I’m seeing reports on Twitter that Il Donaldo has deleted this morning’s tweets attacking the Mayor of San Juan.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Ivanka needs to bring in the “that’s now how this works” lady. I saw he just sent one out about the media and the Dems ganging up on him

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    Ruckus says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Bet he’s not the one who deleted them.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Has he now. How brave.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I suspect that getting on LMM’s bad side is going to be kind of like getting on Elvis Costello’s bad side — not someplace you ever want to be if you don’t want people singing about what a fucking loser you are.

    ETA: Just one Costello example.

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    @Gin & Tonic: Its on the internet forever, deleting it from his feed is not going to make it go away.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Josh Barro‏Verified account @ jbarro 25m25 minutes ago
    Uh oh, he’s done golfing.
    Donald J. TrumpVerified account @ realDonaldTrump
    Despite the Fake News Media in conjunction with the Dems, an amazing job is being done in Puerto Rico. Great people!

    I’m surprised he didn’t say ‘in collusion with’, it was his word of the day last week

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    They’re still there, at least when I looked two minutes ago.

    Link for the curious. (You don’t have to have a Twitter account yourself to read Twitter stuff.)

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    smintheus says:

    The only Puerto Ricans who stand any chance at all of getting Trump’s attention play in the NFL.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I think it’s time to cut all the bullshit and send in the big guns. Time for:
    Nuns With Chainsaws III: Save A Hail Mary For The Damned

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Freaking teeth grinding. While I would just love for Puetro Rico to be Trump’s “Katrina”, this isn’t freaking politics, those people need help now.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): You’re probably right. The person whom I saw tweeting that has taken it back.

    And I do have a Twitter account, but you’d have to boil me in oil to get me to actually look at that asshole’s tweets.

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    Dmbeaster says:

    @trnc: Yes, he refused to act on Cheney’s efforts for the second war with Iran.

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    Ruckus says:

    For those of you so inclined I’m listening to a live Tangerine Dream concert from 2007 that they called one night in space. Big screens behind them with amazing photos, from the moon, space shuttle walks and satellite flybys. Won’t be everyone’s cup of tea but if you like electric stuff these folks are good.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Didn’t someone in this admin write a little book about Dereliction of Duty? Where is McMaster? Where is Mattis?
    Isn’t this a threat to national security? To our homeland?
    None of these people are worth a shit and I am beyond hearing any excuses for them.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Amb Vicki Huddleston looks like one of the characters out of the Matrix movie series.

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    @Gin & Tonic: Nope – they’re still there. He’s adding a bunch more congratulating the governor and the congresswoman and (of course) himself, five so far. Don’t believe the fake media! Things are going great in Puerto Rico, and those are great people! (paraphrased)

    He seems to have had phone calls with the governor and congresswoman. Maybe they decided to butter him up. Or maybe the White House staff is rerouting his calls to one of them so they can tell him he’s doing a great job.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Great. He had his nap, and now we can all pretend the temper tantrump never happened

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: It is easy to see what will happen. The R Gov of PR will say all supplies were in place and ready but the union truck drivers shut down the ports. This is going to be about labor letting people die on PR. Book it, libs.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Or maybe the White House staff is rerouting his calls to one of them [. . .].

    “Can you do a Mexican accent? Go down to Spicer’s old office and pick up when the phone rings.”

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    Shalimar says:

    @Mnemosyne: See also “The Other End (Of The Telescope)” among many others. “Shipbuilding” is another brilliant one.

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