A Successful Conclusion from the Cold Case Files: Floriduh Woman aka Floriduh Clown Edition

NBC News has the details:

Twenty-seven years after a clown carrying flowers and two balloons shot a woman to death at her front door, Florida authorities announced an arrest in one of the more bizarre cold case investigations in a state known for bizarre crimes.

Sheila Keen Warren, 54, was arrested without incident in Washington County, Virginia, on a charge of first-degree murder with use of a firearm in the killing of Marlene Warren, 40 — her current husband’s previous wife — in 1990, officials said Tuesday.

“Any murder’s horrific. It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not,” Palm Beach County sheriff’s Sgt. Richard McAfee said at a news conference Tuesday.

“Taking another person’s life is a horrific incident,” McAfee said. “It just took us 27 years to bring closure to the victim’s family. Murder cases never go away.”

Open thread!

143 replies
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    dmsilev says:

    clown carrying flowers and two balloons shot a woman to death at her front door

    And here I was thinking that those trick daisies only shot streams of water.

    I’m sure we’ll soon learn that the only thing that can stop a bad clown with a flower-gun is a good clown with a flower-gun.

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    GregB says:

    Was this cold case conclusion timed for the promotion of the current film adaptation of Stephen King’s It?

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    efgoldman says:

    Well. After all these years, Omnes and BillinGlendale can finally come out of hiding.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Hey Adam, the Kurd vote was 93% in favor.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev:

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    TenguPhule says:

    It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not,

    To be fair, the clown costume made it that much worse.

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    efgoldman says:

    @TenguPhule:

    the Kurd vote was 93% in favor.

    For all the good it will do.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    hashtag BUSTED? is that a thing?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I saw. And the Iraqi parliament is pushing for immediately retaking Kirkuk by force. As our the Iraqi Arab Shi’a irregular forces we’re partnered with. My guess is the Sunni irregular forces will also begin making the same argument. Absolutely strategic malpractice and stupidity to do this now.
    http://www.reuters.com/article.....SKCN1C1127

    This could have and should have waited until after the fight with ISIL was won.

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    rikyrah says:

    Will a Front pager do a story on the scam that is the GOP ‘tax reform’ plan?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, but I wouldn’t plug that hashtag into twitter unless you’re someplace private.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @rikyrah: I do not know. It is not my area of expertise, though I do agree it is a scam.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This could have and should have waited until after the fight with ISIL was won.

    The Kurds may be counting on ISIL to give them some breathing room. Between that and Israel coming out in support for the vote, I’m sure nothing could possibly go wrong.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Because everything else Bibi Netanyahu has ever suggested should be done in the Levant and Middle East has worked out so well.

    As for ISIL, they will give no quarter.

    The outstanding question, given Manafort’s involvement with this, is who was he really working for? As you can see in the Reuters article, the Russians have come out and condemned this. But with Manafort’s involvement, I wouldn’t take the bet that they weren’t angling for this as it really fits their long term objectives.

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    @Adam L Silverman: I miss your recipe posts, some of those recipes were awesome!
    Frilly Apron Time.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @rikyrah: since trump is going out of his way to argue that he won’t benefit from this plan, seems like a good opportunity to start asking to see the returns again

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    @TenguPhule: @Adam L Silverman: Likud supported it? Well that doesn’t bode well.

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    jacy says:

    I suppose I should be grateful that the clown my husband ran off with didn’t shoot me. Although he’s been hospitalized 8 times since he met her for “undefined” reasons, so I”m thinking she’s secretly poisoning him….

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I never did like the change in Joker’s design in the revival Batman series and S:TAS. His face looked weird with those black eyes.

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    @efgoldman: No way, there’s more of those creepy fuckers out there.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m beginning to think you don’t trust his word.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @TenguPhule:I think Adam’s right. Indeed, it would have been -better- to wait until ISIL was destroyed, and …. heh, the Iraqis fell to infighting amongst themselves, let their military fall apart again, etc. And -then- hold the referendum. Right now, the Iraqi military is united, the Iranians are around to give ’em backup, and the political caste is as united as it’s gonna get. Uh …. at least, so it seems to me.

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    dmsilev says:

    @rikyrah: Kevin Drum has a couple of posts analyzing it (Post #1 and Post #2). They’re short, because surprise surprise, the tax plans are vague and leave most of the important details unspecified. Short version: Rich people (including one D.J. Trump) and corporations get huge tax windfalls, and most ordinary people either get nothing or get shafted (Live in a blue state with an income tax? Congratulations, you can no longer deduct your state taxes from your federal income).

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    jl says:

    @TenguPhule:

    ” It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not, ”

    But there are many cases where this is a true and wise statement, as long as we must endure clowns and their costumes among us.
    A competent Executive could work on solving real problems. Why doesn’t Trump get to work on that?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I did the challah recipe post last Saturday night.

    Did you get the email I sent you this afternoon?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The proposed elimination of the AMT and the estate tax makes Trump a lying liar who lies.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Bibi endorsed it personally and the Israeli government did as well. Not surprising given he is charge of the government.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Yep, they standardized the art. They fixed it a bit in Justice League.

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    debbie says:

    Any murder’s horrific. It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not

    I apologize, but I can’t stop laughing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GregB: Nobody knows….

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    japa21 says:

    @Chet Murthy: Whatever happens, it will be Obama’s fault.

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    jl says:

    @dmsilev: removing illusory productivity costs of a few brackets and shafting (mostly blue) states by eliminating state and local tax deduction seem to be the main reasons for the bill.

    Edit: In addition to shoveling more money down the gullets of the rich.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I want you to brace yourself here because this is going to be a shock, but Trump is lying.

    We can identify at least one taxpayer who will hugely benefit from the proposal: President Donald Trump. We still haven’t seen his tax returns, but thanks to leaked documents we know that at least at some point in the past, the only income tax he paid was the alternative minimum tax (the AMT). We also know that his businesses operate through “pass-through” vehicles (partnerships, LLCs and S corporations). A regular corporation pays tax on its income; shareholders in turn pay tax on the dividends they receive. In pass-through vehicles, by contrast, business income is taxed only in the hands of the owners of the business, rather than at the entity level.

    And we know that Trump is very wealthy, and therefore in the ordinary course of events might be expected one day to leave behind a large estate, which, to the extent not left entirely to his wife at that time, would attract a substantial estate tax bill.

    What does the Republican proposal do in this case? It eliminates the AMT. It subjects income derived from pass-through businesses like Donald Trump’s empire to a special 25 percent tax rate (rather than 35 percent or 39.6 percent, the individual rate), because owners of these businesses are special, in some indeterminate way. And the proposal repeals the estate tax.

    (Vox analysis of the “plan”)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Chet Murthy:

    Indeed, it would have been -better- to wait until ISIL was destroyed, and …. heh, the Iraqis fell to infighting amongst themselves, let their military fall apart again, etc. And -then- hold the referendum

    Not from the Kurd’s point of view. Its terrible for the rest of us, but I can see why it would make sense to them.

    They do not want the main Iraqi forces getting stronger, because for sure they’d be trying to deploy into Kurdish territory if they were. They know they sure as hell can’t count on us to support them because we’ve fucked that up too many times to count under both Bushes, may they both rot eternally. Turkey is going to shit anyway, maybe they feel they can cut a deal with Iran?

    Its not like the strategic picture is going to get any better for them to try.

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    japa21 says:

    @jl: Does it exclude property taxes as a deduction? My guess is probably not, because those wealthy folks pay a lot in property taxes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Chet Murthy: Thanks, I appreciate the backup on what I do for a living.//

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dmsilev: to the extent not left entirely to his wife at that time, would attract a substantial estate tax bill.
    Ezra and the gang gets snarky!

    reminds me that I would like to see not only his tax returns but their pre-nup

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    TenguPhule says:

    @japa21: Mortgage interest and charitable deductions are the only itemized they want to keep.

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    raven says:

    Got through the 1st half of 70-71 and gonna put it on ice for tonight. I thought the treatment of the VVAW was pretty fair. They had to have someone on there to whine about Kerry dissing the troops by recounting what happened but that was to be expected. I was surprised that Musgrave was in VVAW, I don’t remember him from DC but that’s ok. Have people been talking about the Doc here?

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    encephalopath says:

    I’m not sure I buy the “New DNA technology” line they’re selling here. 27 years ago the less accurate DNA testing they were using would have said “Match– you’re one of the 10,000 people in Florida who could have committed this murder.”

    That level of uncertainty doesn’t seem of have ever stopped a DA from prosecuting before.

    The idea that the less accurate testing 27 years ago said not-prosecutable but the newer accurate test says perfect match, just doesn’t pass the sniff test. For the new test to say Match, the older less accurate test would also have to have said Match. Otherwise we are in non-overlapping Venn diagram circles here.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: I’m not so sure. We haven’t heard at all from the Talabanis on this. As for the strength of the Iraqi Security Forces, they’re not going to suddenly deteriorate once we’re done with ISIL. This was stupid to do right now.

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    dmsilev says:

    @jl: The idea that the number of brackets has anything to do with the complexity of paying taxes has always been ridiculous. If you do your taxes by hand, you calculate your AGI and then go to the back of the booklet and look in a big table which tells you what tax is owed on that income. Use TurboTax or whatever, or go to an accountant, and either the computer or the accountant (or the accountant’s computer) does the same sort of lookup. You could have one bracket, ten, or some some continuous complicated function that requires three semesters of partial differential equations to understand and it wouldn’t make any difference. Anyone trying to push “fewer brackets is better” is trying to hide something.

    The complexity in the tax code is all about what counts as income and what can be offsetted or credited and so forth.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    “Any murder’s horrific. It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not,” Palm Beach County sheriff’s Sgt. Richard McAfee said at a news conference Tuesday.

    I was going to type, sarcastically, “Thanks for clearing that up.” Then I imagined thousands of Floridians typing, in earnest, “Thanks for clearing that up.”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    As for the strength of the Iraqi Security Forces, they’re not going to suddenly deteriorate once we’re done with ISIL.

    I believe the term was teeth clenched teamwork.

    The Sunni forces/Shia militia issue.

    And they’ll have their hands full putting Mosul back together.

    It may not have been optimal for them to do it now, but I think they don’t see it ever getting better any time soon.

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    I’m getting emergency department of public health alerts on my phone warning me of high temperatures. “Check on neighbors, drink water.”

    High of 86 this week 🙄

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    Starfish says:

    @dmsilev: Their plan made me want to have a new 70% tax bracket for the 0.1%.

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    @Major Major Major Major: We have had 3 days of 90+ temperature, and even today it is in the high 80s and humid. Its cooling down tomorrow, though.

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    ThresherK says:

    @hellslittlestangel: But, thanks to the big clown gloves they’re wearing, it’d probably turn out more like “Renmks fid xoestimg tust ip.”

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    japa21 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: In Chicago we would have been thrilled with a high of 86 in the past week. 7 straight days 90 and above (twice it hit 100 in one of the suburbs) Every day represented a record for that date. First time we have had 7 straight 90’s since July of 2012. I can accept July, but late September. Oh, and no rain during that whole period.

    ETA: Today was close to or maybe 70. Almost felt like winter.

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    @schrodingers_cat: 86 is not actually very hot though, especially when it isn’t all that humid. I mean, it’s hot, but it’s not emergency hot.

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    Jeffro says:

    Naturally there was a Virginia angle to this wacky clown-killer case…it’s like we’re turning in to North Florida or something…

    Tomorrow: no meetings and a Nats game complete with ball cap giveaway, just me and mini-me. Also, the ISS went straight overhead tonight and I managed to catch that – always kind of inspiring. Good times!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Wintering in south Florida this year?

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    @Jeffro: this is Trump’s America. We are all Florida now.

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    @Adam L Silverman: I’ll bet they send out emergency cold warnings when it’s below 45 degrees too.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: They are going to eat themselves alive over this.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: You have no idea.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Ugh. That is true and maddening.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @dmsilev:

    The complexity in the tax code is all about what counts as income and what can be offsetted or credited and so forth.

    And all those linear feet on the library shelf of tax code books are for the special interest carve outs that the 99% will never be able to use.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @jl:

    removing illusory productivity costs of a few brackets and shafting (mostly blue) states by eliminating state and local tax deduction seem to be the main reasons for the bill.

    @japa21:

    Does it exclude property taxes as a deduction?

    Do the Republicans realize how badly this could play if the Double Taxation meme takes off? That unbearable tension – stabbing (some) blue states (Connecticut an exception?) by … Raising Taxes!!!!. (Does Rule 34 apply for this? Surely it must.)

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    Jeffro says:

    @dmsilev:

    Anyone trying to push “fewer brackets is better” is trying to hide something.

    Ya think? It’s what counts as a well-reasoned sales pitch in today’s GOP: going from 7 brackets to 3 is AUTOMATICALLY BETTER SUCK IT LIBTARDS!! Something like that. It’s even hard to make fun of, it’s so dumb.

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    @Jeffro: we really should just switch to infinity brackets.

    No, like actually though.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @debbie: For your lack of respect, I sentence you to watch these sobering YouTubes on clowns and death:

    The Death of Chuckles The Clown
    (Longest clip I could find, couldn’t find the whole episode)

    Mourner Robin Williams and grieving widow Carol Burnett at a funeral
    (Good grief, was Robin Williams once that young?)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    So I just saw a clip of Moore in his cowboy get up from the other night. Turns out he was semi pocket carrying that revolver. As in his jeans were too tight to properly put the revolver all the way in his front pocket. So about 1/3 or so was sticking out. And he appears to have been carrying it without a holster, which is incredibly stupid even for a revolver. One of the poster people for what not to do with a gun.

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    @Adam L Silverman: “give Roy Moore a gun at all” is pretty high on the list of things not to do with a gun.

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    MomSense says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Like the idiot I saw with a gun in his front sweatshirt pocket.

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    debbie says:

    @raven:

    I couldn’t believe that tape of Nixon talking to someone about the brilliant speech he’d given and that no one would ever write a better speech than he had. It was like listening to Trump.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Smallest gun I’ve ever seen.

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    p.a. says:

    @Jeffro: Noted lefty Barry Ritholtz on the death tax.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: I wouldn’t have minded a trigger warning.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    andrew kaczynski 🤔‏Verified account KFILE
    Pro-Confederate activists held an “Alabama Secession Day” event two years in row at Roy Moore’s Foundation.

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    trollhattan says:

    [California shakes fist at Florida] How can we possibly keep up? With a third of of our population you really punch above your weight.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @debbie: Talking to someone named Kissinger.

    I couldn’t believe how many times Nixon or Dr. K said, “This may sound cold-blooded, but…” You, Mr. President? Dr. Kissinger? Naw!

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    eclare says:

    Wow, this would have been a great book for Ann Rule to write, but she died a few years ago. She wrote The Stranger Beside Me, about Ted Bundy. She was a true crime writer in the Pacific Northwest who had been tasked with writing about some recent murders, the whole time volunteering with Ted at a suicide hotline. Fascinating book. Late to the thread, topic may have moved on.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @rikyrah:

    Will a Front pager do a story on the scam that is the GOP ‘tax reform’ plan?

    Easy enough–just copy/paste any comments on previous ‘reforms’.

    @hellslittlestangel:

    “Any murder’s horrific. It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not,” Palm Beach County sheriff’s Sgt. Richard McAfee said at a news conference Tuesday.

    I was going to type, sarcastically, “Thanks for clearing that up.” Then I imagined thousands of Floridians typing, in earnest, “Thanks for clearing that up.”

    QFT, dude, QF effing T.

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    MoxieM says:

    @jacy: My wasband WAS the clown! (rimshot)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: I’m not touching that…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Of course they did.

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    Jeffro says:

    @p.a.: He’s been getting more shrill these past couple of years…example (quoting, then refuting someone from the comment section of his last article):

    “What you are arguing for is a tax increase, and I am against that” wrote someone who could type but not think.

    But then this…

    I [Ritholtz] call myself an ex-Republican. When I was coming of age, Jacob Javitz was my senator. A Republican, Javitz backed balanced budgets, low taxes, no unnecessary overseas adventures and keeping government out of the bedroom. I agreed with all of that.

    Why ex-Republican? Because the modern GOP has tacked so hard and far to the right, and it has gotten into bed with religious zealots who have no use for science. I simply have no reason to want to be associated with that sort of ideology. Even though I am socially progressive, I am still fiscally conservative.

    …drives me crazy. WE ARE ALL FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO ‘HAVING’ TO PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLES’ SERVICES. Well, most of us are, anyway. Jesus. Just let it go, center-right-tards. We’re not gonna rob ya blind, I promise. Come to the Light.

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    eclare says:

    @dmsilev: You are correct. Have worked in tax for 25 years, both public and Fortune 100. Once you figure out what goes on the line, no biggie. Issue is what goes on the line.

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    debbie says:

    @Citizen_X:

    I should have guessed it was Kissinger, with all that ass kissing.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Pro-Confederate activists held an “Alabama Secession Day”

    Everybody remembers and honors the Seventh Alaska Traitor Light Infantry.
    Somebody sent a letter to Marse Robert to ask him to take command, but Seward wouldn’t forward it.
    Hey my history makes as much sense as their history, right?

    ETA: Oh. Alabama! I misread it as “Alaska”; I’m very tired.
    But my way was funnier.

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    trollhattan says:

    @eclare:
    Ted Bundy was the prototype for dozens, if not hundreds of film and television serial killers. He was very good at his…craft? Was a Seattle teen when he was active there and it was pretty damn creepy.

    Then I land in northern California for Zodiac, Juan Corona and the SLA. Just great.

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    eclare says:

    @debbie: That gun reminded me of my gram’s.

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    trollhattan says:

    @MoxieM:
    No clown, no clown, you’re the clown!

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    eclare says:

    @trollhattan: Only one woman that he abducted got away. Just sayin’, don’t walk alone. He had fake casts, crutches, etc. And I am going to stop being creepy.

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    trollhattan says:

    @eclare:
    He bought Nancy Reagan’s little bitty gun at auction. You could look it up.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Pro-Confederate activists held an “Alabama Secession Day” event two years in row at Roy Moore’s Foundation.

    If the right wing morons were actually running the government like a business, Alabama would get its wish as it was sold off or shut down along with Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, and South Carolina for not being profitable, along with all those empty flyover states out west whose names I can never remember.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @debbie: Yeah, they had a weird relationship.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @efgoldman:

    Oh. Alabama! I misread it as “Alaska”; I’m very tired.

    Or really baked.

    Ha!

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Bill, I’m running your photos tomorrow since I f’d up and didn’t get them actually scheduled for today. My deepest, and sincerest, apologies!

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    CaseyL says:

    Besides the clown angle, what got me about this story is how the murderer has been married to the vic’s husband all these years. Either he was in on it from the start, or he’s had a godawful shock finding out his current wife murdered his previous wife.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Why, exactly, do we need two Dakotas?

    (according to a Vox article a couple years back, to counterbalance the southern states in the Senate post-Civil War Senate, see also, Idaho)

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    eclare says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Because you have to employ all of your relatives…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @CaseyL: This was the premise of an episode of Castle, minus the clown stuff, during the first season.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’m sure no one noticed…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I reckoned this was the case:

    What a dipshit!

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    Kinda shocked Hillary Clinton was so brazen as to kill Paul Horner like that

    Why for you make jackal hunt through twatter to find nugget

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    @CaseyL: He was in on it from the start.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: “It’s been the most amazing journey of my life. I’ve taken the eye off the ball on terrorism, I’m just amazed the whole planet hasn’t crumbled because I wasn’t on it,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said of the weeks he’s spent leading the health care repeal effort.

    Good lord– and I’m sure he said that as if he were joking, I’m also sure he actually believes it.

    But now that it’s over, the old Graham is back and more than willing to laugh at how improbable it was that a national-security expert briefly held the national limelight as a supposed health-policy wonk.

    I’ve read enough of Ryan Grim’s stuff to credit him with quiet, maybe worn out, sarcasm there.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @Jeffro: Barry writes some good stuff. His How the FDIC can curb banks’ reckless speculation is a classic.

    As a bonus, without the intervention of government guarantees, those of you who continue to have depositors will finally be able to compete in a free and open market. Without FDIC insurance, your depositors will be making their decisions based on your reputation and their assessment of the safety and security of your operations — and not Uncle Sam’s willingness to continually bail you out.

    You have the FDIC’s best wishes for success in the future — just not our insurance.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I felt so unsafe, I was so worried about a terrorist attack for those three weeks that Senator Graham was preoccupied. I’ve felt much, much safer since yesterday!

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    Mike J says:

    It’s hilarious to watch the Vietnam docco on PBS and see Republicans thinking the Russians are controlling anti American protests.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I saw Howard Dean on MSNBC last week, talking about how LG should stick to foreign policy, and he stammered something about “I agree with a lot of what he says about foreign policy…” A pretty remarkable moment, the man who owes his national reputation to his opposition to Iraq blowing kisses to one of the most unhinged neocons in politics. I’m not entirely sure if it was just some kind of pundit politesse, or the effect of all that sweet, sweet MEK lobbying money.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @CaseyL: All of their property was in her name.

    He was in on it, fer sure

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Who knows. The sad reality is a lot of these folks, on both sides of the political aisle, are friends and/or friendly and/or on good terms with each other. But because of the way the politics has gone in the US for the past 20 years crystalizing trends going back 40, they can’t actually work together to solve anything.

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    J R in WV says:

    @eclare:

    My Grandma carried a 1903 Colt .32 automatic, the forerunner to Browning’s 1911 .45 auto.

    Not a small pistol, she carried it as a store keeper in one of the two big pockets of her apron – the money was in the other pocket. I’ve mentioned this before, stop me if you’ve heard it.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Mike J:
    Just now watching Chicago cops beating the snot out of demonstrators in Grant Park. Not nazis, not klan, kids and young adults who want to end the war.

    I can only take this film in measured doses but overall it’s really, really effective.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Oddly, keeping him away from foreign affairs has the oppo effect on me.

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    Mike J says:

    @trollhattan: Nixon, “If my reëlection is important, we’ve got to get this over by ’72.”

    Who the fuck thought Nixon’s reëlection was important?

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Major Major Major Major: You’re in the city. It was 97 degrees yesterday in my neighborhood. Low 90s today.

    In August 2003 there was a heat wave in Europe. 35,000 people died — 15,000 of them in France. Most of those who died were old and sick, and a lot of them died of simple dehydration. They were alone, they were feeble, and no one checked on them. Moral: don’t be France. Drink. Check on your neighbors.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: One of my former students, now a retired USAF colonel who was an aviator, used to refer to him as “our Lindsay”. And it wasn’t a compliment.

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    @Lizzy L: I know I’m in the city. And the alert was from the city. I went to the sfdph website, it was warning me of 80 degree temperatures.

    Didn’t get any alerts when I was down on the peninsula the rest of the day and it was hotter.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Lizzy L:

    Moral: … Drink

    Mission accomplished!

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Any idea why Miller would have issues with Chad?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mike J:

    Who the fuck thought Nixon’s reëlection was important?

    Obviously, HE did.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Lizzy L: Nowhere near as much air conditioning in Europe. Far harder for them to deal with a heat wave.

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    John Revolta says:

    This woman was shot in the face by a clown in front of her kids. I really hope the husband wasn’t in on it. I mean that’s pretty severe, even for Florida.

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    efgoldman says:

    @debbie:

    Any idea why Miller would have issues with Chad?

    Somebody told him he could go on the road as “Jeremy” while the real one took a summer off. Then they heard him “sing” and said “never mind.” He never got over it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Woohoo! I spent the day at a career fair in Milwaukee. So many good bars so close, but I had to drive back to Madison.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @hellslittlestangel: Unless the murder victim is blah, and the suspect is a white cop. Then all bets are off.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: According to the article he based his concerns on a report written by the acting DHS secretary that argued that Chad wasn’t combatting terrorism rigorously enough or something. I’ve not seen the report, but I’ve provided enough support over the years to US Army Africa to know this is a bad call. Right now there is a general officer from Chad at USAWC as a student as part of the International Military Education Program. I would expect at least one more at National, Naval, and/or Air War Colleges. Absolutely stupid. Decisions being made by a 31 year old who may have never traveled outside of the US before. And even if he has has no idea what is actually going on and being done in important parts of the world. He just wants to keep Muslims and people of color out of the US.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Hugh Hefner has passed. End of an era.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Did you get any good job offers?//

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I talked to some people who say an ad to be butler/p.a. for someone for $200K. Does that count?

    I really like Milwaukee and I was happy to drive over (I really like my replacement Saab). OTOH, I wasn’t able to take advantage of a city I consider more fun than Madison.

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    CaseyL says:

    @BruceFromOhio: @The Pale Scot:

    Thanks guys. Either that wasn’t in the linked article, or I missed it.

    @Adam L Silverman: I remember that episode!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sure, why not.

    Glad the replacement Saab is to your liking.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @CaseyL: Was one of the better episodes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: To my liking? OMG! It is the car I would have chosen when buying the first one. Better stereo, sport suspension, upgraded leather, six-speed manual. Odd that a divorce and a flood got me the car I always really wanted.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: There’s a silver lining to every cloud…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am okay with where I am. And I love my car. Call me shallow.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Nope. Always good to be content.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    So Roy Moore’s a poser who probably doesn’t know one end of a gun from the other? That is … not surprising.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Amir Khalid: No, he clearly knows one end from another. He was a MP in the Army. He was a civilian cop when he got out before he became an attorney. He’s just one of these folks that should know better but doesn’t.

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    Doug says:

    @hellslittlestangel: “Any murder’s horrific. It doesn’t matter whether you’re wearing a clown costume or not,” Palm Beach County sheriff’s Sgt. Richard McAfee said at a news conference Tuesday.

    Except of course when cops pull the trigger.

    http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/policeshootings/

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: In SF, in the city itself, the emergency rooms will be full at that temp.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Lizzy L: I remember reading about that heatwave in Europe. August was the month when everyone in France went on vacation. The elderly’s families were almost all out of town. No one to check on them.

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    NobodySpecial says:

    Why exactly should the Kurds wait around to become Palestine 2.0? We ideally should have guaranteed their Independence the moment they started going to town on ISIL. I get the cowardly arguments against, but having already shattered the region, the least we could do is support the ethnic minority that’s had our back for most of the Millennium.

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    evodevo says:

    @encephalopath: Yeah, me either … and I taught genetics for many years….If there was ANY kind of match, most prosecutors would have charged the perp… I’d be looking at the original DA and what his entanglements might have been with her/her family….

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @debbie: If it’s any consolation to you, and if you’re reading this long-dead thread, I had the same reaction.

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