Sunday Night Open Thread: Words to Live By


What’s on the agenda, as we wrap up the weekend?


Also, Larry Summers, still an arsehole:

192 replies
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    Corner Stone says:

    Going to try and have Luby’s fried fish again tonight. With mac and cheese and seasoned greens as the sides.
    Thanks for asking.

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    NotMax says:

    Every day, in every way, he gets worse and worse.

    /Bizarro Émile Coué

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    Corner Stone says:

    There is nothing Trump says, in any forum, that can be held as at face value. For any length of time.

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    Baud says:

    I’m not sure that tweet deserves a round of Summers hate.

    Dana is right, however.

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    -ly Ballou says:

    A gunman opened fire at a Tennesssee church this morning, killing one and injuring seven.

    Said gunman was evidently a Sudanese immigrant, so as you can imagine the Deplorables have been fairly creaming themselves all day today bleating about supposed media coverups, supposed BLM hypocrisy, etc. Fun, fun times.

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    Arsehole, Are we using British spelling now?

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Summers has evolved considerably on issues he understands, and has played a very constructive role in debate on financial regulation and macro-economic and fiscal policy. After giving some very bad advice early in the BHO administration. So, I still don’t like the guy, but don’t go out of my way to diss him.

    But what the hell, being widely disliked is some people’s karma and I guess Larry did something bad in a previous life.
    Why not set him up so he gets it coming and going on this here blog?
    He gave BS’s ideas on Federal Reserve reform very good reviews in a recent article. He now considers HRC’s ideas on financial reform too timid.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @schrodingers_cat: She’s a pretty, buxom widower that runs a B&B / diner style food service out of her home for locals. Served family style and quite delicious if I do say so. Plus the desserts…

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    Did everybody see this old picture of Stephen King (the author, not the idiot)? Crazy!

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    khead says:

    “You can look at this anyway you want, but it is clear it has galvanized the NFL” – Al Michaels.

    Chris Collinsworth said that maybe Trump should apologize to the players and perhaps have them to the White House. Hey – maybe we can call it “Trump’s Beer Summit“.

    But this is pushback. The NFL just sent it’s announcers out to ask Trump to apologize. On Sunday night – the prime TV spot of the week. I will now go bathe in acid after taking up for the NFL. But that’s where we are at the days.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: I’d have to see his new ideas for decide whether I agree with him or not. Believe it or not, I judge ideas on their merits.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @jl: Summers’ has been engaged in a multi-year whitewashing of his history. Trust nothing he says about any topic. It is almost certainly an effort to re-write some nasty piece of work he is responsible for in the past.
    That’s not just my take – cohorts in realtime gave him the piss when he tried to pull his bullshit.

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    chris says:

    Planed a little bit of rough pine this afternoon with one of my neighbours. Only took an hour but we thought we were gonna die in the heat. It was 90F out there in the sun at the end of September in Nova Scotia. Somethin’ ain’t right.

    Came home to find this story about an American Jewish woman helping to get the rightwing extremist AfD elected in Germany. I know, it’s from The Intercept but the links check out.

    I will never ever understand these people.

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    Baud says:

    @khead: Trump forces strange bedfellows.

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    jl says:


    You know, I’ve never nit picked the Baud campaign on stuff like ‘ideas’. I thought it was a new and different approach to politics.

    Anyway, here you go.
    Larry Summers: Here’s what B****** S****** gets wrong – and right – about the Fed.

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    I'll be Frank says:

    Walk loudly and carry a little stick.

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    @chris: sorry, that article lost me at “by Lee Fang”.

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    @Major Major Major Major: OMG he looks demented, totally cray cray.

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    jl says:

    Reading about the tragedy in Puerto Rico. After SF earthquake in 1906, it took President and Congress less than 48 hours to pass special emergency appropriation and send substantial military and other federal assistance. So, something else to call Congress about?

    Edit: IIRC correctly, with no dissenting votes on Congress. Unanimous.

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    @chris: I don’t hate a lot of people but Fang walks right up to the line.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: Thanks. That was interesting. Some of it was a bit technical, and I didn’t read the Bernie piece he was referring to. I didn’t read that as overly populist, at least not more so than Hillary’s agenda.

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    debbie says:


    “These people,” as in “American Jewish woman”?

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    @Corner Stone: Enjoy your dinner and dessert.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: OK, just as long as this ‘idea’ stuff doesn’t mess up the Baudist movement, you are free to make up your own mind as far as I am concerned.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Was it you?

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    CaseyL says:

    @debbie: I believe what is meant is, “These people” as in people of identifiable demographics who actively work to elect people who despise and would destroy them, given half a chance.

    That definitely includes any Jewish person who works for a far-right candidate.

    Plus any gay person or POC who supports the GOP; any woman who believes in fundamentalist religion, etc., etc.

    Speaking as a Jewish woman, I was not offended by the remark.

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    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California) says:

    @jl: I just posted this in the dead thread below:

    We have relatives in Puerto Rico who we still haven’t heard from. Some live in Arecibo.

    It really frosts me that Shitgibbon has obviously spent the day watching, fuming about and tweeting about football games rather than doing anything to help American citizens in Puerto Rico.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: I find ideas to be divisive. I’m more of a uniter.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @debbie: If I understood @chris: correctly, I don’t understand my co-religionists who expouse extremist right-wing views, either. I will never get over the fact that a local Jewish family helped found the Cincinnati branch of the Tea Party.

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    eemom says:

    resembles Pres. Nixon in many ways

    uh, what ways are those? Horrible human being, egomaniac and sociopath? Cuz those are some pretty broad categories.

    Vile as he was, even Nixon doesn’t deserve that utterly moronic comparison.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jl: Two things about Puerto Rico:

    1. Brown
    2. Speak Spanish.

    Therefore, unpersons in the world of Donald and the GOP…and the Village.

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    Teddys Person says:

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California): I hope you hear some good news soon.

    edited for typo

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    different-church-lady says:

    Going by the comments I see on the sports blogs, the median IQ of the NFL’s fan-base is about to skyrocket through a process of voluntary attrition.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Scarfolk Council did this last month! Please use liberally.

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    chris says:

    @debbie: No, wingnuts in general. Maybe read the article and then we can talk about why any Jewish person would assist in the election of Nazis.

    @Major Major Major Major: I didn’t read the byline. Got the article from someone I know in Germany. What horrors has Fang committed.

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    eemom says:


    Arsehole, Are we using British spelling now?

    IIRC, the Bronx born FPer has been doing that for a long time now. Maybe it’s a Boston thing.

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    jl says:


    ” I find ideas to be divisive. I’m more of a uniter.”

    Thanks. I was worried I’d have to stop my support. And then what would I do with all the sacks of old soda pop cans on my porch?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @ Corner Stone:


    You did not mean Luby’s cafeteria? A chain found in Texas? Infamous for a mass murder by gun — 23 dead, 20 injured in 13 minutes, many mass murders back? It was a record at the time. (1991)

    PS: If Luby is an individual, one assumes she’s a widow, unless she’s even more interesting.

    The Luby’s Cafeteria Massacre, from 1991, from Crime magazine.

    In a great twist of Texas-style irony, the mass murder at Luby’s Cafeteria in 1991, where 23 were shot to death and 20 wounded, led not to calls for gun-control but to the passage of legislation signed by Gov. George W. Bush that eased the way for citizens to obtain concealed-carry licenses.

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    Mel says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Wow. That is quite the portrait of young Stephen!

    In the spirit of the King’s greatest hits, check out this Pennywise wannabe who apparently moonlights as the pee pee police.

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    Ithink says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    He looks like a cross between Charles Manson & a young(er) Stephen Colbert in epileptic shock; SCARY!

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    jl says:

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California): April 1906 Teddy Roosevelt was president. I think within 24 hours, he sent several troop trains and ships to SF with people and supplies, even though there was large, and functioning military presence in SF already. But TR had a different governing philosophy than the modern GOP.

    IIRC, House was in turmoil, in the middle of one of a series of revolts against Cannon, So I don’t think there even was a speaker. But they managed to get some action going within two days.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: No no no, you’re not getting this. We need a candidate who’s a divisive force for good!

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    Ohio Mom says:

    What’s on the agendas as we wrap up the weekend you ask? Going to bed early so I can be bright and bushy-tailed for the IEP meeting my kid’s team is holding first thing tomorrow morning.

    As others who have their own IEP teams can tell you, UGH. Nothing like going over all your kid’s many um, challenges in detail to harsh one’s mellow.

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    Hal says:

    So instead of Star Trek Discovery I’m getting an infomercial.

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    Baud says:

    @different-church-lady: Aren’t forces for good inherently divisive?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Major Major Major Major: He looks like he just came out of the woods…in the Pacific Northwest, or Tibet…

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    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Most Puerto Ricans think of themsevles as ‘white’. So maybe not ‘white’ enough for some peoples’ tastes. Or they speak the wrong language. Or not enough $$$$$$. But, yeah, seems like no one in the circle of power is noticing, let alone cares.

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    @Elizabelle: I had no idea. I know little about Texas. Trust CS to pull a fast one on me.

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    Baud says:

    @Mel: Get that guy on Mueller’s team ASAP.

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    debbie says:


    Certainly not.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @chris: Prejudice isn’t reasoned into humans. And it can’t be reasoned out.

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    Shana says:

    @chris: I have an elderly great-aunt-in-law who posts the most awful fake news on her Facebook page. She’s jewish and posts so much bizarro xianist crap I worry about her ability to take care of herself nowadays.

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    Elie says:

    “Every single day, every single thing Trump does, remember, the blame goes to the Republicans. They can stop him, but they’re empowering him” – Dana Houle

    Says it all — For everything. I would go one further — the people who voted Trump and the Republicans into office are beyond contempt. That said, we will have to figure out how to fix this — blowing it all up is not an option in my book

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    jl says:

    @khead: Trump says he doesn’t drink alcohol. Root beer summit? Cola summit?

    Edit: Trump would have to stop talking like a jackass for a while, before anyone would calm down enough to attend. That will never ever happen.

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    Bostondreams says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I spent ten years as a classroom teacher sitting on that side of the table writing and implementing IEPs.

    Since my little girl has gone through elementary school, it is so so so much harder on the parent side of the table I have come to realize. Because it is YOUR kid you are talking about.

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    Baud says:

    @chris: I didn’t read the story, but my question is, what do publications get out of featuring such oddballs? Is it simply that they get more clicks?

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    chris says:

    @CaseyL: Thank you. Didn’t mean to offend anyone.

    My friend in Germany is also confused by Alice Weidel of the AfD. She’s one of the guiding lights and yet she’s a lesbian and a very well educated person. I don’t see that ending well for her.

    Reminds me of when I first heard the term Gay Republican. My brain just crashed for a few seconds.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Regardless of Fang or The Intercept, Rosenwald is a legitimate Islamophobic hack who uses her considerable wealth, and her institute, to fund anti-Muslim and anti-Middle Eastern, Central, and Southeast Asian refugee initiatives.

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    chris says:

    @Ohio Mom: Thank you, too.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Elizabelle: I suspect CS was just having a bit of fun.

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    Baud says:



    jk with the question, of course.

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    @Baud: # don’t blame the people in power, seem some minority peeps are cray cray too.

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    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California) says:

    @Teddys Person: thank you!

    And thanks to all of you for bearing with me as I transition from mostly lurker to sometimes poster. :)

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: Puppies?

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Didn’t Doug have a post up the other day about Netanyahu building alliances with fascists in Europe?

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    Mel says:

    @Baud:Absolutely! He’d find those pee tapes in no time! Repubs, Russian hookers (and plumbers, and small children, and manufacturers of Port-o-Lets) beware – PeePee Pennywise is on the move.

    Or perhaps he should go British, and join MI 6 as Agent 00#1 ?

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    ThresherK says:

    @Corner Stone: She’s a pretty, buxom widower?

    Am I missing something in the local argot, having spent my whole life in the burbs between Boston and NYC?

    I have been to the chain in a foray out West, and I remember enjoying the three dishes mentioned.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California): If you ever reach the point where you’re referred to as “Valued Commenter”, run.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @chris: @Major Major Major Major: @CaseyL: @Ohio Mom: There is a small, but well funded and well organized component of Jewish Americans who have gone past political conservatism straight to authoritarian right and neo-fascism. As such they make common cause with some pretty unpleasant and extreme individuals. They are bolstered by the fact that the Israeli right has moved farther and farther in a neo-nationalist and neo-fasicst direction with a significant chunk conflating their neo-nationalism with ultra-devout religion. Bibi has spent a lot of time over the past couple of years cozying up to the neo-nationalist parties and movements in Europe. The most recent instance was his very chummy visit with Victor Orban in Hungary over the summer. And his son’s very public embrace of neo-fascist and in some cases neo-NAZI social media imagery and messaging.

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    chris says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Prejudice isn’t reasoned into humans. And it can’t be reasoned out.

    If only there was some way to calm their fears. Maybe a better president…

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    @ThresherK: I thought it was a Texas thing to call a widow or widower.., or may be Luby is a widower who is transitioning.

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    chris says:

    @Shana: Got a neighbour like that. He’s 70ish and doesn’t sleep well so he listens to American talk radio late at night. Comes out with some real zingers.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’ve got one word for you: wendigo…

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    p.a. says:

    Oh goody. The new Star Trek really comes out of left field by introducing new bad guys… the Klingons. 1st episode, so I’ll suspend real judgement and just engage in snark. Promos imply current captain Michelle Yeoh (yay!) doesn’t last (boo!), but at least the lack so far of human white males in leadership roles may inspire some mockable tweets.

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    chris says:

    @Baud: I think it’s important to document the VRWC. We can’t point and laugh if we don’t know they exist.

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    frosty says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Going to bed early so I can be bright and bushy-tailed for the IEP meeting my kid’s team is holding first thing tomorrow morning.

    Hope it goes well. Ours were related to ADD and weren’t terrible. There *was* one point where we told the teacher if she had to sit our son next to her so he wouldn’t disrupt other kids, that was fine with us.

    They both graduated from High School, one from college, the other on his way. I can’t say enough about the IED staff we worked with.

    And the truant officer, LOL. She was on our side.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: I don’t recall that. I though I had done something about that a while back, but it may have just been in a comment. Or answering a request for information from someone. It’s all beginning to blend together…

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:


    It’s all beginning to blend together…

    Welcome to my world.

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    @p.a.: We’ve watched two episodes of a new Star Trek TV show called “Orville.” I want it to be good, but the characters act in ways I don’t believe are plausible. I’m going to give it another episode or two. Maybe it will settle down.

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    debbie says:


    Bibi will bow down to anyone with anti-Muslim leanings.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    I agree 100% with Mr. Drezner. Deadbeat Donald is just not credible at all on his threats against other countries. Trump is a typical bully, that talks big and will hurt people that cannot hurt him in return. That’s why he is so cruel and vicious to the poor, immigrants, and minorities.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    There is a small, but well funded and well organized component of Jewish Americans who have gone past political conservatism straight to authoritarian right and neo-fascism.

    The nastiest, most racist, most prejudiced man i ever knew personally. was a concentration camp survivor.
    If ever someone should have been tolerant….

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Read my mind.

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    debbie says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    Seth Farland should stick to Stewie.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Oh goody, we’ve got a new travel ban:

    And before anyone asks because they don’t want to click across and read it: 5 of 7 are Muslim majority countries. The other two are Venezuela and North Korea. And it appears the Venezuelan restrictions are for government personnel. And exactly how many people are actually visiting the US from the DPRK annually? So its a travel ban of Muslim nations with Venezuela and the DPRK tacked on because Stephen Miller thinks this that by doing so it will pass muster with the courts.

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    SFAW says:


    Once Trump and Rocket Man finish at least we can sing along as we watch the skies burn.

    Fool that I was, I thought you were linking to this one.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): The Orville can’t decide if it’s a comedy, a satire, or a drama, and it’s doing some of each in a half-hearted way. We hope it will decide what it wants to do and then do it we

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    Mike in NC says:

    Just watched the latest episode of “The Vietnam War” on PBS, which was mainly about the 1968 Tet Offensive and the stateside turmoil that followed it. I was 14 years old back then and horrified by the nightly news. These days I’m horrified again at what’s happening in this country, when the draft dodger white supremacist in the White House is doing his MAGA act to turn us against one another.

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    chris says:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Not exactly Star Trek but sounds like fun. On the list it goes, thank you.

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    raven says:

    Tonight was one half of 1968.

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    debbie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    He looks like he just escaped from that prom scene in the book.

    Gotta love the size of the advance for the book.

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    debbie says:


    It was very intense.

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    Kay says:

    Sec. Mnuchin to @MarthaRaddatz: “It’s not about free speech.” NFL players “can do free speech on their own time.

    These clowns really believe everyone in the country works for them.

    They were horrible people without power and, completely predictably, they are worse people with power.

    Speaking of “on your own time” how much has the low quality Trump Team spent on chartered jets this week? Did anyone
    bother to look? Shouldn’t they have to at least pay back the public funds they used? I know no one ever gets fired or is in any way held accountable but the federal government can bill them, can’t it?

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    raven says:

    @debbie: So was the documentary.

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    efgoldman says:


    Tonight was one half of 1968

    Isn’t this the opposite of the “good old days” that were neither good nor old?

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    debbie says:


    That’s what I was referring to.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Unfortunately some people that are treated that barbarically develop into exceedingly intolerant individuals. Natan Sharansky is an example. As was Eli Wiesel as he got older.

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman: Depends on how you look at it.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    I see some of the wankers around here are critical of Summers to the bitter end

    If Summers were to say “It is unwise to stick forks into live electrical outlets”, I wouldn’t disagree. But, being Summers, IMO he’s more likely to say “Of course it is conventional wisdom that sticking forks in live outlets is suboptimal, but how many thoroughly vetted studies have been done to prove that assumption? ‘Random dead children & idiots’ anecdata is hardly a reliable standard for wise judgement!”

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    debbie says:


    Is this now the purview of the U.S. Treasury?

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    @Kay: I couldn’t believe they trotted out the secretary of the treasury to weigh in on this.

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    raven says:

    @debbie: Yea well the year was too.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    some people that are treated that barbarically develop into exceedingly intolerant individuals.

    True. I was raised (and still am, maybe more so) as a good liberal in the live and let live aspects of the constitution, but I certainly never had his experiences.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I thought you did that last night. I even wrote you a heartwarming anecdote about going to Luby’s in San Antonio in the ’60s.

    I delivered a chair to Bro’ Man’s beach house in Rehoboth Beach today, so we went to eat at Agave in Lewes (Maryland). We sat at the bar and had the usual: three apps (shared) and two margaritas (each). Good eats.

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    debbie says:


    I was remembering back to 1968 and how intensely I felt the world was coming apart, and then comparing that to tonight, listening to the intensity of the soldiers’ testimony. It was one fucked up time.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Bostondreams: I like and hold tremendous respect for our teachers. My kid’s twenty and in a very good transition program.

    I’ve been to so many of these, I think I could do all the parts myself, like one of those Off-Broadway shows where there is only one actor playing all the characters all at the same time. There aren’t too many surprises at this point. And even so, I’m left wincing a lot of the time.

    All this with the awareness that these are the good old days. In two years, no more team to advise and direct…

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    Kay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    They trot him out for everything. I have no idea why. He’s as bad or worse than the rest of them.

    It must be awkward for them that the HHS secretary has to hide out during the push to pass their garbage health care bill. Obviously he can’t appear or they’ll get questions on the astronomical travel costs, so they trot out the other one- the one with the appalling wife.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: From the man who illegally foreclosed on 100s of US service members while deployed overseas.

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    Kay says:

    The jet setter is gearing up to cut Medicare:

    The Trump administration is signaling it will pursue significant changes to Medicare that could put beneficiaries on the hook for higher costs.
    In an informal proposal on Wednesday, federal health officials hinted at several new pilot programs it may implement in the months ahead. One idea would give doctors more latitude to enter into so-called private contracts to charge Medicare beneficiaries more for certain services, if the patients were willing to pay. Elsewhere in the document, officials indicated they might offer more incentives to encourage beneficiaries to join private Medicare plans, known as Medicare Advantage plans. Democrats and other experts said the language suggested interest in the controversial “premium support” model long favored by Republican policymakers.

    They blatantly lied about not cutting Medicaid- may as well go all the way and cut Medicare too.

    Is Price the most corrupt Trumpster? I would say yes, but that excludes family members and the President himself.

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    @efgoldman: Quoting TNC,

    Suffering doesn’t make you noble

    . The nastiest and meanest perpetrators of patriarchy are often women, especially in gender segregated traditional societies.

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    chris says:

    JFC, speaking of Nazis In Houston this time.

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    @Kay: When wealth is treated as a virtue we get someone like T in the White House. Deplorable is too kind a word.

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    khead says:

    Megan Kelly just kicked at my TV while promoting her TODAY show debut.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Where does this end? Not expecting an answer, but eventually aren’t American Jews going to say, Whoa, this isn’t the Israel I signed up to support?

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    ThresherK says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I do remember the pronunciation widder in Westerns but I don’t take that as gospel.

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    Kay says:


    You’d think we could at least rein in the jet travel. Not only do we get garbage, low quality work, we pay top dollar for it.

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    Kay says:

    If Democrats can’t get some mileage out of Trump planning on cutting Medicare they really need to find another line of work.

    That’s a gift.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: Currently because of the large amount on Medicare, there are significant doctors who take a reduced cost. What will happen is doctors will drop out. It totally destroys the program and I hate him. I’d welcome him back to my town, if Trump fired him because of his grifting.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @frosty: Yes, we had an opportunity to interact with the truant officer assigned to our district as well, due to my kid’s chronic tardies. When I explained his disability, she laughed and told me to say no more, and I never heard from her again.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @debbie: I was 18 in 1968, graduating from HS. My favorite cousin died in Vietnam in the fall of that school year and a friend from the previous class was killed there in June.

    The world really was coming apart.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Two words: Mother Teresa

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: The break has begun. I posted some links in comments to a post over the summer on this. Basically Bibi allowed the ultra devout to kill the mixed prayer area at the Wall. Here’s some links to excellent coverage from Haaretz:

    For the three premium links, just google the article titles, click on the link, and then you’ll be able to read the articles.

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    JPL says:

    @opiejeanne: Since I was raised in a small city, I walked to town a lot. My most poignant memory was walking home and a police officer walked along side me. He had just lost his son. My brothers were all in the service at the time. The youngest among them in Nam, the middle in Alaska and the oldest bombed Hanoi a few years later.
    I have no interest in watching Burns’ documentary.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ohio Mom: Missed one. This one is about how Netenyahu allowed Knesset to pass legislation making only Orthodox conversions.

    This makes Orthodox Judaism, and its ultra-devout variants, the defacto state religion and makes any other form of Judaism illegitimate.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Ohio Mom: @Adam L Silverman: At the temple I usually go to, the Reform Rabbi’s sermon on Rosh Hashanah was about the futile tendency to build walls, and referred specifically to the incident with the women rabbinical students being treated shamefully at the Western Wall. And he named Bibi as breaking his promise. I read it as not an absolute break, but it’s closer. It’ll be interesting if there’s a bond drive this year at all. (I mean we’re already at the point where at least part of my extended family have said not buy Israel bonds anymore. That’s a BFD for some of the 70-80 year old generation to decide).

    ETA grammar

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    Jay S says:

    @Adam L Silverman: That sort of experience has to leave scars on people. I am surprised so many bear it well.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Tenar Arha: They had a bond drive at my Mom’s synagogue. I could hear it while working security out in the lobby. Of course the guy who did the appeal actually told the story of his whirlwind tour of Israeli medical facilities. He’d been ill and hospitalized before his trip. Made the trip anyway, and preceded to spend the whole time in hospital there. I thought there couldn’t be anything more quintessentially, stereotypically Jewish: an Israeli Bonds appeal that was one long story of a Jewish American man describing his medical problems.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @JPL: We are recording it to watch later. I can’t do it yet. Too many other people close to me who suffered because of that war, even if they did come home.

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    People were just as upset back in the 1980s, when Israeli rabbis stated American Jews weren’t Jewish enough. Plenty of New Yorkers threatened to stop their financial support, but it came to nothing. Much as I wish otherwise, I don’t expect any significant change.

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    chris says:

    @Adam L Silverman: From the email that included the Intercept piece.

    …just read that the state plans to start validating the Jewish heritage of its citizens — going back generations. Reverse of the one drop of blood policy of you know where/when.

    Does not bode well.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jay S: Without a doubt.

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    Ruckus says:


    I have no interest in watching Burns’ documentary.

    I have two minds on this. It was a horrible time and I don’t want to relive any of it, even in my mind. But that ship has sailed so to speak, my mind goes there anyway. Raven has told me that I need to go see the wall, that while it is difficult it is also cathartic. Not sure I see either of these that way. On the other hand like you I know people who went, some who didn’t come back or came back so broken that their lives will probably never be better. Should I look at their stories again? Should I relive that? I already know that it was horrible.
    I already know.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Tenar Arha: There is an old joke about Cincinnati which goes something like: If the world is about to end, move here because everything happens here ten years late.

    The articles Adam linked to, and your rabbi’s sermon are interesting to me because I am not seeing too much evidence here of a growing divide. But maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: A lot of stuff has changed since then.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: @Ohio Mom: “Buy an Israel Bond, now let me tell you about what my dermatologist told me on Monday…”

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    KithKanan says:

    @different-church-lady: You don’t joke. I was a “Valued reader and friend of the blog” once a couple years back, and now it’s like I don’t even recognize my country anymore.

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    @Ohio Mom: so Cincinnati still doesn’t have cronuts?

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    Citizen_X says:

    @chris: Holy shit. That’s not too far removed from brownshirts attacking leftist meetings in the old days.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    Could we get a donation thread up for Puerto Rico? They need even more help than Houston in the aftermath of a category 5 hurricane and I can see the president is not going to spotlight them or encourage anyone to address the needs of his fellow US Citizens.

    A good donation link I’ve found is:

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    GregB says:

    One of the two things I still remember from Mrs. Pierce’s ‘Early Western Civ.’ class was the phrase: In the long scope of history, the oppressed often become the oppressors.

    The other was how to pronounce Alcibiades.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Major Major Major Major: There are a couple of local bakeries selling their versions, not sure how authentic they are. Which is pretty much in line with everyhing else “big city” Cincinnati tries to do.

    Sign me,
    An Ex-pat New Yorker, born and raised on the Bronx

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    J R in WV says:

    I’m not an expert in radio astronomy, (nor even visible light astronomy, though I do have a tiny telescope) so I could have messed up my recollection of the damage at Arecibo. I do also think I recall that the HAM radio operator who passed that damage report out to the rest of the world informed us that his generator wasn’t working all that well, and they could use some help, which I don’t doubt a bit.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodingers_cat: She is an out and proud Irish American. I doubt that she yields to you in her disdain for the British Empire.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:


    Fucking terrifying.

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    rikyrah says:

    Obama warned Zuckerberg about fake news on social media during the campaign

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: My roommate’s best friend’s roommate[0] (how’s that for tenuous link?) introduced me to networked computers and used to talk to people at Orono all the time.

    Russell knew a lot about computers, but he believed Rutgers was in Israel because in these pre-DNS-all-bang-path[1] days, the way to get from Mizzou to Rutgers went overseas to Israel and back.

    [0] Who were both from Bellevue, right up the lake from where I now sail. Haven’t seen them at the Meydenbauer race though.
    [1] In ye olden dayes ye had to specify HOW to get to a remote site, not just the name, every hop, from bigcat to Mizzou to USL to UChi to where ever.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: I read a story about the Native American wendigo when I was a child and it scared the fuck out of me.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Eh, we got sasquatch around here, they’re ok. Not like THEY voted for Trump.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: Well played.

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    eemom says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    well then, why the pretentious spelling?

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:


    You just want your blog back?
    Make BJ Great Again!

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    efgoldman says:


    why the pretentious spelling?

    To irritate you, why else?

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    NotMax says:

    What cost $53,333 in university funds* per minute?

    Answer here.

    * approximately 1½ in-state yearly tuitions per minute

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eemom: I don’t give a fuck. Why do you? It seems like nitpicking to me.

    FWiW, s_c, my English ancestors came here before the English did fuck all to India.

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    NotMax says:

    Another lying real estate lowlife (among other things) president.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eemom:@Omnes Omnibus: I was a member of a fraternity in college. Fraternities are also called Greek letter societies. Many people shorten that to Greeks.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eemom: I just looked up thread and saw your response. Sorry I let you troll me. My bad.

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    eemom says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You sure are an angry individual these days.

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    eemom says:


    To irritate you

    sheeyit, talk about a low bar….

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Why is British spelling “pretentious”?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eemom: Can you blame me? And that is deflection.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Good night all.

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    Ruckus says:

    Who hasn’t got a bit of anger going these days?

    It isn’t like there’s nothing to be angry about.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @Millard Filmore: Thank you for those links! The one I linked to is from Beatriz Rosselo, first lady of Puerto Rico (the Puerto Rican Governor’s wife). I noticed that some of my Puerto Rican friends were using that link, so I figured it must be legit but the more donation avenues the better. It really is horrible how the impact and aftermath of Maria isn’t getting this administration’s attention.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    Before I bed, from the Great Orange Satan, the news that the revised Graham-Cassidy manages to be yet worse – it does away with waivers altogether and essentially lets states do as they want with health insurance.

    That’s even worse that the pre-ACA status quo. It’s total deregulation of the health insurance market. It means that people in ANY red state will have absolutely zero protections against their health insurers.

    They’re going for broke.

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    CaseyL says:

    Two things happened today that have me feeling more pessimistic than ever.

    First, I went to a friend’s house to watch football. There was discussion of the players kneeling or not kneeling. I was the only person who agreed with the players. The others agreed this was a free country, but apparently not during football games. They didn’t bring up, or want me to bring up, why the players were protesting. They brought up the canard about disrespecting soldiers who’d died for the flag, and waved off my responding that the flag stands for American values, and free expression is an American value. These were otherwise intelligent, kind, friendly people. I didn’t ask how many of them were Trump supporters. I didn’t want to know.

    The other thing was watching the Oprah segment on 60 Minutes (because it was just before ST: Discovery). Listening to Trump supporters say they loved everything he was doing, and the Trump non-supporters talking about how afraid they were for themselves and for the country, brought home once again how broken we are as a country. I realize Trumpism is a symptom of a breakdown decades in the making, but that doesn’t make me feel any better about it. I just don’t see how the country can be put back together when it’s this broken.


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    Vhh says:

    @Corner Stone: widow not widower

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @CaseyL: The last time our country broke down like this, we had to sacrifice a few million lives and give the losers everything they wanted to heal the breach.

    Last time a major Western democracy did this in modern times, we had to basically burn the entire country to the ground to burn out the sickness. Twice.

    Whither us?

    ETA: We were every bit this divided over the Vietnam War and Nixon’s presidency, and we got through it okay.

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    Ruckus says:

    I think even the assholes who want to cripple the healthcare of the entire country understand that really, they have one chance for this. And this is it. The longer that they have to wait the worse it gets for them. Of course they may be too stupid to realize that if they pass this piece of hateful crap it’s going to come back at them badly.

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    fuckwit says:

    @CaseyL: It has always been this broken. Since the Original Sin of slavery. It was this broken during the Continental Congress, it was brokern during the Constitutional convention when the south threatened to walk out until they got their 3/5’s. It was this broken during the abolitionist era, it was this broken during Dredd Scott and the Missouri Compromise. It was this broken during Bleeding Kansas. It was this broken during the first Civil War, and the Reconstruction. It was this broken during the Ku Klux Klan and the NRA and the lynchings and segregation. It was this broken during the compromises of Social Security that left most black folks out. It was this broken during the segregated military of WWII, of the lead up to Brown vs Board of Ed and Ruby Bridges. It was this broken during the controversy over Rock and Roll being “race music”. It was this broken when Emmit Till was lynched. It was this broken during the Martin Luther King era. It was this broken when the Black Power salute was given at the Olympics in 1968. It was this broken during bussing in Boston. It was this broken during White Flight throughout the 1960s and 1970s. It was this broken during the MOVE bombing. It was this broken with Bernard Goetz. It was this broken during the crack epidemic. It was this broken during redlining. It’s still broken now. It has been this broken for hundreds of years now.

    We have never apologized for slavery and segregation. We’ve never compensated black people for it. Racism is still deeply embedded in our culture. We are still struggling with the same issues. They have not been resolved.

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    John Revolta says:

    I really think that if it hadn’t been slavery it would’ve been something else. A quick glance at the last 500 years of Europe’s history shows even more stupid, pointless hatred and violence, and not a black face in sight. The black/white thing just made it easier for us to tell the teams apart.
    Seems like half the people we have to share this planet with, regardless of race, color or creed, are just flat out assholes. And I’m fucking tired of it. Me’n’my doggie are goin’ to bed.

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    Kathleen says:

    @fuckwit: Beautifully put. I also believe we were this divided in the 60’s and 70’s.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @John Revolta:
    There’s a simple generalisation that works for me: People will be dicks.

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    NotMax says:


    Do you truly believe that over more than two centuries there has no advancement, zero progress?

    Do you truly believe that the rate of infection of virulent racism has remained constant over all that time?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    It takes time for civilisation to overcome some 200,000 years worth of tribal conditioning. Too many of us humans never get civilised enough to manage it.

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    rikyrah says:

    Absolutely on point

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    evodevo says:

    @Ohio Mom: That applies to small town Ky too, lol.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @NotMax: I think the point is that this isn’t some new development, not that it hasn’t gotten better in any way.

    A large part of what’s happening now is that gross racial injustice is more visible to white people than it used to be. White liberals can’t pretend that this is all fixed just because we don’t have segregated drinking fountains. And there’s an associated backlash.

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