Return to Cockroach Mountain

This morning, we hiked up to the lofty summit of Cockroach Mountain. I took the dogs so they could help haul my lazy ass up the steep incline; I just held the leashes and said, “Mush, you huskies!” At the top, there is a helluva view of the paddling trails that lead out to Tampa Bay:

You can see St. Petersburg and Tampa from the summit, and also Port Manatee:

There were many red dragonflies, including this one, whose wing looks a bit bedraggled:

Here’s the view to the northeast:

According to the parks and rec people, Cockroach Bay got its name when early explorers observed horseshoe crabs in the area. Sounds like Chamber of Commerce mythology to me; the explorers were probably swarmed by flying roaches and said, “Let’s get the fuck outta this Cockroach Bay!”

Open thread!

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    David Evans says:

    Good pictures. For some reason I specially like the view to the northeast, with the cormorant.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Beautiful photos, Betty! Thanks for keeping us grounded.

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    Sab says:

    Seriously, y’all named a port after sea cows? I love sea cows but I would never name a port after them. They don’t seem very organized or portish at *all.

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    Dolly Llama says:

    Betty, what’s your outlook on your Gators, both today and moving forward?

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    DCrefugee says:

    Starting to crowd my neck of the woods, Betty…

    ;-)

    I get a kick out of streets in Sillysota named with the word “ridge” in them. There’s not a fooking ridge within 250 miles of this place.

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    DCrefugee says:

    @Sab: It’s more about the name of the county housing the port, which indeed was named after sea cows…

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Dolly Llama: I don’t think we’re a very good team. But man, I want the last 40 seconds of last week’s game playing on continuous loop on my tombstone! 🐊

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    According to the parks and rec people, Cockroach Bay got its name when early explorers observed horseshoe crabs in the area. Sounds like Chamber of Commerce mythology to me; the explorers were probably swarmed by flying roaches and said, “Let’s get the fuck outta this Cockroach Bay!”

    Betty, and go where in Florida that isn’t overrun by cockroaches?

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    Sab says:

    Sea cows don’t like ports. Ports have boats with propellers which are dangerous to sea cows, especially their young.

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    If nothing else, I sincerely hope that Wilmer’s foreign policy speech kills everyone working at Counterpunch. Where the hell was this guy during the campaign?

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    MomSense says:

    Such pretty scenery! Our dragonflies are not nearly as colorful. The red is beautiful.

    Going to walk the dog and then getting in the car to spend the weekend splitting and stacking wood at my dad’s place. I guess splitting wood will be good preparation for shoveling snow.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Just got back from the farmer’s market. I always stop at the woodworker’s booth; he makes some nice things and I have purchased multiple bowls and salt & pepper shakers and gifts from him over the years. We chat whenever he’s there.

    He also makes pens (which don’t really grab me) but I usually look them over anyway as we chat. Today I see a pen with the confederate flag inset in the barrel. I’m not exactly sure what I said, but…

    I think I opened with something like “I can’t believe you have a confederate flag on this pen.”
    Him: I just make what people buy.
    Me: the confederate flag has turned into a racist symbol, I don’t think you should be making those.
    Him: I make what people buy.
    Me: I don’t think you should be making or selling things just because racists want to buy them.
    Him: Silence
    Me: Okay, see you next time.

    He’s a conservative, religious christian. Silly me, I used to think the majority of christians actually believed the teachings of Christ. grumble grumble

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    kindness says:

    How tall is that hill? Somehow I thought the highest elevation in Florida was about 10 feet (not including the panhandle).

    And really Betty, you of all people. Palmetto bugs. That way they don’t sound so bad.

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    Nice pics…wait, you have mountains in Florida?

    (Checks Wikipedia)

    No you don’t.

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    Sab says:

    I spent my childhood in Florida. I think is gorgeous, but also phucking flat. My town was 7 feet above sea level, and that was before global warming.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: Channel your anger at the Racist-in-Chief and I bet you could split and stack the wood in half the usual time. Be careful, you might have to pace yourself.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    Betty I like your story much better how the bay was named. Your story is more realistic, lol

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Betty Cracker: Cats! Cats! Cats! Cayts!

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    I just held the leashes and said, “Mush, you huskies!”

    Growing up in snow country, lots of kids including us tried that with sleds and bigger dogs. Never worked. Jack London was lying about those dogs who are just dying (sometimes literally) to be in the dog-sled team.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I have tried the “mush!” thing in the past with my cocker spaniels. I probably don’t need to say that it wasn’t very effective.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @MomSense: How are the colors up in Maine?

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    Sab says:

    Can’t go anywhere because of marathon. This year was pathetic. Plump white people trudging by while some car blasts Springsteen “Born to Run”. I promise you no one is running at this point. I shouldn’t be so critical. I would just as soon not trudge 26 miles on a Saturday morning, but in prior years people actually ran it, in about two hours. This year not so much. We whites don’t seem to be swift.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    Sounds like Chamber of Commerce mythology to me; the explorers were probably swarmed by flying roaches and said, “Let’s get the fuck outta this Cockroach Bay!”

    Reminds me of the opening scene in “Fresno”, the funniest thing on TV that nobody ever watched. The Spanish conquistador commander is riding through California as his scouts come back one by one reporting on the wonderful grape vines they’ve found. One returns with a bunch of grapes that have dried up in the sun. The Captain takes a mouthful, then spits them on the ground and says “Pfah! Tastes like fresno!”

    (It starred Carol Burnett and Charles Grodin and was a pitch-perfect takeoff on the popular evening soaps of the time like “Dynasty” and “Dallas”, only instead of oil the fortunes were built on raisins. In Fresno, obviously.)

    (I think the audiences were humor-impaired and didn’t understand it was satire. Even when Carol Burnett has to ride in the back compartment of a station wagon because, as the chauffeur sadly explains, the Rolls Royce is still in the shop)

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    MomSense says:

    @Elizabelle:

    A little bit of the early colors- yellow and red – but the foliage seems to be a little late this year. It’s probably better in the mountains and inland where it is colder.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Reports that Oaxaca, Mexico has experienced a 6.1 earthquake.

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    MomSense says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I’ll split a few with your confederate pen seller in mind.

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    Sab says:

    @kindness: Highest point in FL is about 300 feet. Betty posted a picture of an actual Florida hill years ago.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @kindness:
    I had the same thought. It seemed … a bit optimistic, let’s say, to call that a view from a mountaintop.

    @Sab:

    Plump white people trudging by while some car blasts Springsteen “Born to Run”.

    As I mentioned in another thread, it so happens that today is his 68th birthday.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    :: Looks at 800′ foothill looming over house ::

    Different strokes. Flatlands weird me out anymore.

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    @MomSense: Isn’t it a bit too early for colors? Except for the burning bushes in my yard almost everything is still green.

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    How many cockroaches were there on the mountain? ::Shudders::

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @Elizabelle: Gaia is pissed off.

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    No Drought No More says:

    I think you’re probably right about cockroach hill. Years ago I stood at the point where Brigham Young first laid eyes on the great like, and I figured the conversations went something like this:

    B.Y.: “We have arrived at our new home, blessed be God”.

    B.Y.: [3 hours later, to a scout he’d sent ahead to check out the lake]: “Salt? Bullshit! We’re no where near an ocean”.

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    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: OMG, somebody else who watched(and remembers) Fresno!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @MomSense: I appreciate that!

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    Sab says:

    @Amir Khalid: I bet he can run faster than these guys did.

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    debbie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Leaves are turning here in central Ohio. A 2-week cold spell fooled the trees. Even the cicadas shut up.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: What are the odds that the only two people who watched that show would end up on the same blog at the same time, all these years later?

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    @WaterGirl: They told me there’d be no math.

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    MomSense says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    On the coast maybe but when I was in Vermont a month ago they already had a lot of color.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Amir Khalid: For you Springsteen fans, there was a nice interview with him broadcast on our locally (Philadelphia)-originated radio show, Fresh Air with Terry Gross

    Apparently the interview was actually last year. The occasion for the re-broadcast was the release of the paperback edition of his autobiography.

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    bemused says:

    I saw my first Hummingbird Moth which has been hanging around my Bee Balm the past week. Very interesting moth. My 94 yr old mother-in-law said she had never heard of Hummingbird Moths when I told her.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    I’m going to this 3rd annual Village Fest in the City of Everett outside of Boston today. Their 🎉 highlight act this year is George Clinton & Parliment Funkadelic!

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    eclare says:

    @WaterGirl: How depressing…but good for you for speaking up!

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    @WaterGirl: Make that three people!

    It also does amuse me to no end that right offshore from the Cockroach Bay Boat Ramp is Paradise Key. I guess Florida is a paradise for roaches, right?

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    Nicole says:

    @WaterGirl: Good on you for saying something. Keep up the good work.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    In Oregon, we call “Cockroach Mountain” a speed bump.

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    eclare says:

    @germy: Great essay, forwarded on! Thank you.

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    eclare says:

    @Tenar Arha: Seen them a few times, have a great time!

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    japa21 says:

    @Dolly Llama: They are slowly being taken over by the pythons.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @eclare: I’m getting stoked. I saw them towards the end of their set at Lollapalooza in the 1990’s, they were awesome! Anyway, so this time I hope to see a whole set.

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    trollhattan says:

    If it makes Floridians feel better, on the California coast are Garrapata Beach and State Park, garrapata meaning tick in Spanish. They’re not inaccurately named and the park trails also feature poison oak and quite large cacti–stay on the trail and consider not bringing the dog.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Tenar Arha: Jealous.

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    trollhattan says:

    @bemused:
    We don’t have them in the west and I only learned of them fairly recently. Hard to believe they exist, or an insect that big can actually fly!

    If I were in charge I’d extend their range out here and bring fireflies with them.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @trollhattan: In San Mateo County is a street that is called Alameda de las Pulgas

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    aimai says:

    @WaterGirl: Good for you! People don’t get to be ignorant of what they are doing and then lay claim to living an intentionally, publicly, “values driven” life. If public, professing, confessing, christians can’t hold themselves to a higher standard than the market then they need to get out of the business of trying to dictate to others what their values should be. You did the right thing.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Often it’s the best shows that get ditched first. So frustrating!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    Continuing news of the North Korean earthquake.

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    aimai says:

    @Tenar Arha: Great web site–I had no idea there was a food truck festival in Salem in a couple of weeks! I am supposed to be at a free seminar for clinicians on sitting with/holding/containing/supporting suicidal patients right now. But I realized after I had signed up that I have to write three papers and do the readings for three courses this weekend before plunging back into a crazy week of work/study next week so I’m sitting in a library trying to write the papers instead. No festivals for me! Although I was just in Malden last week taking a computer course so everett/malden doesn’t seem as far away as it used to seem. Have a great time!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: Sometimes I think they must use random criterion for decision-making on which shows to keep. But most of the time I accept that it’s not random, it’s just that clever, intelligent, thoughtful shows don’t count for anything, it’s all about the advertising.

    That’s why I’m surprised that This Is Us is so popular.

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    @Villago Delenda Est: I was going to mention that I don’t see any “mountain”.

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    trollhattan says:

    @SFBayAreaGal:
    Nice! [scratch, scratch]

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    WaterGirl says:

    @aimai: @eclare: @Nicole: Thanks for the encouragement!

    As Scott would say, we have to fight them every single day.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @germy: Now Trump has gone to war against the NFL, I want to see all the Black Players kneel in defiance to Trump. Also I like to see those in the New England Patriots give Dumpf the silent treatment if he visits their locker room. (Dumpf and Patriots owner Robert Kraft are BFF’s). Also in sports news, Dumpf has disinvited the Golden State Warriors from the White House. I doubt Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and the rest of the Warriors really any f@cks to give.

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    Redshift says:

    Florida Man of the day

    ‘Ghost boat’ owner in Key West jail, officials say

    MELBOURNE, Fla. — The abandoned “ghost boat” that washed ashore near Melbourne Beach earlier this week was last registered in the name of a man who is jailed in Key West on  attempted murder, kidnapping, and a variety of other charges, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission confirmed.Jeffrey Ray Sundwall, 47, of Key West is an inmate at the Monroe County Detention Facility.The abandoned 45-foot sailboat Cuki was reported Tuesday morning on the sand at Spessard Holland South Beach Park. A magnet for park visitors, the vessel may not be removed for another two weeks to two months because of its size.

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    Eric U. says:

    @MomSense: here in Central Pennsylvania, we are starting to have leaves on the ground. Most of the trees are still pretty green though. I don’t recall that is the usual order of color/raking in the past.

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    Redshift says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Now Trump has gone to war against the NFL, I want to see all the Black Players kneel in defiance to Trump.

    I’d rather see some of the white players do it.

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    randy khan says:

    I took the dogs so they could help haul my lazy ass up the steep incline; I just held the leashes and said, “Mush, you huskies!”

    It’s the least they could do for you after the evacuation incident.

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    Redshift says:

    @DCrefugee:

    I get a kick out of streets in Sillysota named with the word “ridge” in them. There’s not a fooking ridge within 250 miles of this place.

    One of my favorite street names in the Northern Virginia suburbs is “Sea Cliff Drive.” Three hours from the ocean and not a cliff in sight.

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    sukabi says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: it should actually actually be ALL players.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: That’s my hope, too. That Trump’s spittle-flecked rage against the NFL and taking a knee will help ALL players to take a knee or stand with those who do.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @WaterGirl: Or the perceived advertising. The very popular Murder She Wrote was cancelled because the people who liked it were “too old”. Obviously Leslie Moonves had not seen the success of the Fox business model (in fact, I think it was before Fox showed how preying on the elderly can be a multi-billion business model, not just confined to individual con men trying to get your social security check).

    And yes, you young whippersnappers, we olds hold onto our grudges a long time. Hell, how much of 2017 politics is still driven by hatred for 1968 hippies who no longer exist?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @sukabi: Our comments crossed like ships in the night.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Cockroach Mountain? Sounds like a perfect place for a Trump white power rally.

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    Jeffro says:

    LeBron James called Trump a bum on Twitter…I LOVE IT.

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    trollhattan says:

    Found out recently we have a Random Lane in our metroplex, which cracks me up considering the aspirational names beloved by developers, especially so given that it happens to feature really fooking big homes.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Redshift: back up in DE, I was driving through a suburban development one time when I just happened to notice that all of the streets were named after the locations in the Thomas covenant series …crazy…

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    Fester Addams says:

    @Redshift:

    Three hours from the ocean and not a cliff in sight.

    Does it have a view of a golf course? See Cliff drive!

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jeffro:
    That’s gonna leave a mark considering LeBron is certainly richer than the moron-in-chief.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: It’s so true! The youngsters that are so coveted for TV ratings are living with their parents and are having trouble getting jobs. At this point, people 50-60 probably have more disposable income, Bastards! Agist bastards!

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:
    Ah, but unlike Fox News, Murder She Wrote was never about poisoning the minds of its older-skewing audience. (ETA:) So it was doomed.(I remember the show; it was really good, and Jessica Fletcher was who we all wanted to be when we got older.)

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    Mary G says:

    I follow one rightwinger on twitter just to see what they are talking about (he’s a never-Trumper) and his crew are all up in arms about a high school football team in Seattle. The whole mostly-white team knelt during the national anthem and the outrage and demands for firing the school administration and all the commie teachers RIGHT NOW were legion. I said I was proud of the kids and that their demands for firing everyone but the coach were stupid. The guy DMed me demanding I stop following him and spoiling his threads! I told him to block or mute me or STFU.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Redshift: My dad loved that some developer was planning to call his subdivision “Nethergate.”

    This was in the 1970s.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Jessica Fletcher was who we all wanted to be when we got older.)

    Although, if she was on the houseguest list, keep her away from the property, by firearm if necessary. Death follows in her wake.

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    JanieM says:

    I was in a photo group on Flickr for a few years and got some grief once about a picture I took from the top of a firetower on top of a protruberance called “Mt. Pisgah” in Central Maine. The guy was complaining (all in good fun) because he couldn’t see any actual “mountains” in the picture. He was from Florida, no less!

    If I could have, I would have referred him to Betty’s pictures from Cockroach Mountain, elevation 30 feet, and pointed out that all things are relative.

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    Aleta says:

    I thought you must be joking about that name. So I looked it up:

    Big Cockroach Mound is a mountain within Hillsborough County and is nearby to Paradise Key and Snake Key.

    Hmm where to pitch camp ….

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    frosty says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Often it’s the best shows that get ditched first. So frustrating!

    Firefly.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    How many cockroaches were there on the mountain? ::Shudders::

    You really don’t want to know. I was at a park recently with my son and niece and my son found there were swarms of cockroaches living in the cracks of the concrete. Dozens, maybe hundreds, in every crack. He chased some out and my niece was so disgusted she had to go home.

    This is in California, BTW.

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    trollhattan says:

    @JanieM:
    Per my NH bro it was pretty disruptive when the old man in the mountain de-faced one day, given the widespread use of it as a signature image. I suggested they go along with the program and become the Live free or experience discomfort state.

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    Baud says:

    @Jeffro: Good.

    Watching Joy interview with Hillary. I’m glad she’s free from all the bullshit. I’ll gladly hate the right people so she doesn’t have to.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Well, Murder She Wrote ran for 12 seasons so it’s not like it was cut down in its prime.

    A friend of mine particularly enjoyed one episode where they lampshaded themselves (acknowledged absurdities of the plot within the show.) Jessica Fletcher was being questioned on the stand in one of the many trials, and the opposing attorney said “Ms. Fletcher, isn’t it true that 12 of your nieces and nephews were indicted for murder?” (which was a big trope on the show). She replied “But they were all acquitted!”

    Yeah, you didn’t want her to come visit, because not only would somebody die, you’d probably get accused of it. The Wiki mocks that with its description “[she] ferrets out the criminals in idyllic Cabot Cove, Maine, which apparently is the murder capital of the United States for the show’s 12-season run”.

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    JanieM says:

    @trollhattan:

    Live free or experience discomfort state.

    LOL.

    I was going to try to dig out an ancient story of a guy who taped over the motto on his license plate and was put in jail for it. But the first thing I found was a different sort of irony.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Elizabelle:

    And don’t let your children go to the University of Oxford, where all the dons are either murderers, adulterers, plagiarists, or all three at once.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Fair Economist: She is of course based on Miss Marple. Who Agatha Christie would always have explain away the alarming murder rate in her village with some line about how human nature is just as wicked in small cozy villages as in large cities.

    Still, I would find it a little worrisome to be a close acquaintance of either of these nice old ladies.

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    wmd says:

    Do folks around there call dragonflies snake doctors? For some reason this bit of vernacular came back to me recently and I’ve been curious about where it is in common use.

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    @SFBayAreaGal: Right in my (relative) neighborhood. (I’m actually closer to the Bay.)

    Of course California also has the lovely city of Los Baños.

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    CaseyL says:

    Ah, the mighty Cockroach Mountain! From whose lofty summit you can see across the whole state!

    …at first I thought it was called that because it was composed of cockroaches. In Florida, that’s not impossible. They are social little fuckers. A mountain of ’em would probably be their idea of porn.

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    ByRookorbyCrook says:

    I always enjoyed the theory that Jessica Fletcher was a prolific serial killer who managed to pin her murders on other people.

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    NotMax says:

    I just held the leashes and said, “Mush, you huskies!”

    From your previous tales would have thought that superfluous, that they’d naturally be propelled by flatulence.

    ;)

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    germy says:

    The Snake Doctors would be a great band name.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: Yes we do have hummingbird moths in the west. In LA County we saw them sometimes in late summer.

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    Ruckus says:

    @WaterGirl:
    He makes what he likes and people buy that. Just like you (and I and everyone else) do. Good that you said something. His bland non denial said everything.
    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    1968 hippies who no longer exist?

    I”m still here!
    Although I do have to say that in 1968 I was pretty much an underground hippy.

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    NotMax says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym

    1968 hippies who no longer exist?

    (turns and haughtily flips pony tail in your general direction)

    ;)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @opiejeanne:

    I’ve seen them, too. It’s a little startling to suddenly realize that the “bird” you were looking at is really a giant (if harmless) insect.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Sister Golden Bear:
    Even closer is Vacaville [moooo].

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    dmsilev says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Jessica Fletcher was being questioned on the stand in one of the many trials, and the opposing attorney said “Ms. Fletcher, isn’t it true that 12 of your nieces and nephews were indicted for murder?” (which was a big trope on the show). She replied “But they were all acquitted!”

    Jessica Fletcher, the world’s most successful serial murderer. Her signature move was to pretend to investigate the crime and frame someone else for it.

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    trollhattan says:

    @opiejeanne:
    Wow, now I’m really jealous. The distribution map I found only has them in a couple small parts of Oregon, but with climate oddness one never knows.

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    Let Moron be Moron!

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    Redshift says:

    @Jeffro:

    back up in DE, I was driving through a suburban development one time when I just happened to notice that all of the streets were named after the locations in the Thomas covenant series …crazy…

    I would be afraid to go into that development, much less live there!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: I’m 67. Haven’t lived in LA County since 1968. I suspect they were attracted by something grown in the area, like walnuts. The remnants of walnut groves and peach orchards were everywhere. The groves were destroyed by insect infestations in the 1920s/30s.

    We also had them in Riverside County. They are not common in either place, but there’s no mistaking them.

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    trollhattan says:

    @NotMax:
    Wow, I don’t know which is better, that it was once Moron or Siding Number Two. My dentist hails from Taft and I have a checkup next month, time for some fun at his expense (post-cleaning).

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: When I was a teenager I remember reading that some bright light decided we needed lightning bugs in CA and turned some loose as an experiment. There were reports of sightings around LA County that summer, but they were all gone after that. SoCal lacked something that they needed and could find in places like Missouri.

    Or maybe I just imagined this. .

    And huh. We do have them in California. A new variety was discovered in Topanga Canyon.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: How about a town named Lard? Manteca is the name the railroad chose for the siding/station at the town of Monteca after a squabble with the city officials.
    The city wanted the station to be called Cowell Station but there was already one in Tracy.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    @Ruckus:

    Me too, and a bunch of my neighbors.

    Oct 7th is the [37th or so, no one remembers the actual number for sure! Like I said, hippies…] Annual Intergalactic Homebrew Festival in the neighborhood. Obviously nearly everyone attending is either a Hillbilly, a Hippie, or both, like me. Most of the prize winning beer is really good. Judging in two categories, light and dark. I hope there’s also a pig roast, they start the pig roasting the evening before the dinner is planned, and slow smoke that big boy all night long, and all day the next day.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @raven: Ha! Nice. Some kid in a tv show was named Topanga, IIRC. I didn’t grow up near there so I’d have to use a map to find it.

    My husband’s last place of employment was Torrance. They used Torrance HS in Buffy. I suspect there is a kid somewhere named Torrance.

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    bemused says:

    @trollhattan:

    I learned there are four species of Hummingbird Moth and in our area, NE MN we have the Hummingbird Hawk Moth. Very cool markings, it’s bottom half is striped and I got a good look at its’ proboscis which has a handy right angle, the better to get into the flower.

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    El Caganer says:

    Open thread? Here’s one less thing to worry about down here in sunny Florida: it may come as a great shock to some, but the MIC and Our Liberal Media are…full of shit!
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2.....waste.html

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    raven says:

    @opiejeanne: My mom lived right next to Del Amo mall.

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    RobertDSC-iPad Mini says:

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    Don’t care one singe inch. He has zero credibility on anything. He should just stop talking. Forever. Or until he releases his taxes, whichever comes first.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Leicester City 2-3 Liverpool is a nail-biter. The home side came back from 0-2 and 1-3 down, courtesy of Liverpool’s poor defending, and would have equalised had Mignolet not saved Jamie Vardy’s penalty. Liverpool need another goal to come away safely with three badly-needed points.

    ETA: FIVE minutes stoppage time to survive.

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    debbie says:

    Well, Steph sure seems to have gotten under Trump’s skin. Glad his Saturday afternoon has been ruined.

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    debbie says:

    If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect….— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017

    …our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017

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    debbie says:

    He should find something else to do.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Leicester City 2-3 Liverpool at the final whistle. Whew. But dammit, Klopp! Everyone said you should’ve bought some defenders!

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: and during Free Speech week too.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @debbie: I think tomorrow may be a very interesting day of football

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    opiejeanne says:

    @raven:I know where the mall is; we were still going to lunch there with his work buddies up until a couple of years ago.
    We live in Seattle, our cabin is above San Bernardino near Lake Arrowhead, so it’s a bit of a haul. These days we try to pick a place somewhere between Torrance and the cabin.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It may be really interesting.
    I’m vacillating between watching the Angels get killed in Houston or watching the Seahawks game against the Titans. I’ll record them both but peek at the score of one while watching the other. Not sure which disaster I want to see first.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect….

    Josh Barro‏Verified account @ jbarro 21m21 minutes ago
    “Me.” The next word is “me.”

    Simon Maloy‏Verified account
    sometimes we don’t really appreciate how stupid the president is
    he’s a massively stupid person who can not form coherent thoughts because he doesn’t read books and melts what’s left of his brain with TV

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    NotMax says:

    @J R in WV

    Cooking copious amounts of smoked pork in nature’s crock pot, bucket brigade style.

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    raven says:

    @opiejeanne: It was once the biggest mall in the US.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @opiejeanne:
    The all-time champion of unfortunate place names is still the Austrian village of Fucking. Incidentally, Wikipedia tells us that there’s also an Oberfucking (Upper Fucking) and an Unterfucking (Lower Fucking).

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    Fair Economist says:

    @dmsilev:

    Jessica Fletcher, the world’s most successful serial murderer. Her signature move was to pretend to investigate the crime and frame someone else for it.

    Well, the murderers frequently confess, so she’d have to be a mind-controlling paranormal as well. Her remarkably blase attitude about the murders surrounding her is certainly odd, though. Most people would be seriously creeped out after only a few weeks of murders following them around, but she’s still happily digging for book material after 10 years of a murder a week.

    It would be a hilarious parody to reboot the show with that as the (initially unrevealed) premise and have all the “murderers” get dragged off screaming “but I didn’t do it!” Then for the finale of the first season, reveal the protagonist was the real murderer all along. Alternatively reboot it with the premise she’s cursed by a demon or something. After the big success of “It” I’ll bet that could sell at a pitch meeting.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    I think you left out a couple words: Free Speech for White GOPers Week.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I hope you’re right. It would be great if an owner spoke up too. I mean, if Goodell can…

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    Felonius Monk says:

    The chubby little No. Korean guy has called Trump a Dotard. I guess that means that Trump is now our DOTUS ’cause he sure doesn’t behave like a POTUS.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Fair Economist:
    True story: as a kid, I once checked out The Murder of Roger Ackroyd from my school library. But I never got to read the ending. The book was a cheap and elderly paperback, and after reading the penultimate chapter I noticed that the very last chapter had long since fallen out.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @debbie:

    Ryan Danek‏ ryanthesaint
    #NFL owners who gave 1mil to Trump’s inauguration:Jerry Jones,Dan Snyder,Shahid Khan, Stan Kroenke,Robert McNair, Woody Johnson,Robert Kraft

    also, too

    John Harwood‏Verified account @ JohnJHarwood 22m22 minutes ago
    lots of white NFL stars have a chance to be Pee Wee Reese this weekend

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    Jeffro says:

    @debbie: Hmm…it’s not like there’s anything going on in Puerto Rico or with North Korea or anything…carry on, DOTUS!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Felonius Monk: @Jeffro: I wish to add my vote to DOTUS

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Felonius Monk:
    “Dotard” is a more cutting insult than what’s in the original Korean. It implies old age and feebleness.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Thanks. I’m taking names!

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    rikyrah says:

    LeBron James to Dolt45 about Steph Curry:

    LeBron James

    @KingJames

    U bum @StephenCurry30 already said he ain’t going! So therefore ain’t no invite. Going to White House was a great honor until you showed up!
    10:17 AM – Sep 23, 2017

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    trollhattan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    In the 48’s far upper corner we have the example of Michael Bennett and Justin Britt.

    Won’t pretend to “know” Paul Allen but he seems unlikely to be a Trumper. Pete, of course, is all in with supporting his guys.

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    rikyrah says:

    Ava to Dolt45

    Ava DuVernay‏Verified account @ava

    Ava DuVernay Retweeted Donald J. Trump

    Man, nobody with any sense or self-respect considers it an honor to be within a 10 mile radius of you. It is known.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    “Dotard” is a more cutting insult than what’s in the original Korean

    I was aware that the interpreter/translator made a judgement call with Dotard — but it seems appropriate.

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    Corner Stone says:

    ESPN should be shitting themselves about now if they had any sense.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Let’s give the interns something to do on Monday morning, fill up their voicemail

    Burgess Everett‏Verified account @ burgessev 15m15 minutes ago
    “Tweaks are being made” for Murkowski, per WH official. New Graham-Cassidy bill could drop this weekend

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    rikyrah says:

    Adam Bell‏Verified account @abell

    BREAKING: Now it’s the @UNC basketball championship team not visiting @realdonaldtrump White House

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Saw this through Chris Hayes twit feed:
    Alaska cuts
    As Topher Spiro notes, it’s ugly to Alaska.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    “Tweaks are being made”

    When will they ever learn that you can’t un-make a shit sandwich.

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    HeleninEire says:

    Yesterday would have been my mother’s 80th birthday. She died 43 yrs ago at the age of 37. I was 12. Damn time flies. This is not to be sad. Really, it was a long time ago. It is just astonishing.

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    eclare says:

    @HeleninEire: Wow, no words.

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    Barbara says:

    @Amir Khalid: There is a town called Butthole in England. Hard to outdo that.

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    rikyrah says:

    Dan Gillmor‏Verified account @dangillmor

    Gorsuch makes clear that he is a partisan Republican who sits on Supreme Court. Corruption is the new normal.

    https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/911441579864395776

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    rikyrah says:

    Christiana A Mbakwe‏ @Christiana1987

    Christiana A Mbakwe Retweeted Abby D. Phillip

    Trump used harsher language to describe Kaepernick than he used for the Neo-Nazi who killed Heather Heyer.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jemele Hill‏Verified account @jemelehill

    We have the best NBA player in the world calling 45 a “bum” & one of the best NFL RBs calling him an a-hole. What. A. Time.
    8:24 AM – 23 Sep 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    Clint Smith‏Verified account @ClintSmithIII

    Meanwhile Kaepernick has transparently donated nearly $1 million & Trump has lied about pretty much every donation he claims to have given.
    5:35 AM – 23 Sep 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    Judd Legum‏Verified account @JuddLegum

    People Trump has angrily attacked in the last few days:

    1. Jemele Hill

    2. Colin Kaepernick

    3. Steph Curry

    Notice a trend?
    6:19 AM – 23 Sep 2017

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Adam Serwer 🍝‏Verified account @ AdamSerwer 33m33 minutes ago
    It’s telling that resentment towards wealth in sports is always directed at black athletes and not the vastly wealthier franchise owners.
    That’s because black athletes are seen as recipients of white benevolence, whereas rich white men by virtue of whiteness deserve their money
    The truth is the reverse: it is the athletes’ labor that makes the owners rich, not the other way around. Applies to many other things.
    But is is very clear in sports, where inherited wealth can rarely compensate for lack of talent or drive the way it can elsewhere.

    @rikyrah: who called him an asshole and where can I buy their jerseys?

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Are they going to give Alaska Canada?

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    NoraLenderbee says:

    @Felonius Monk, : Altekocker–Yiddish derogatory term for an old man (“old shitter”).
    Also works for Wilmer.

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    rikyrah says:

    Ava DuVernay‏Verified account @ava

    Ava DuVernay Retweeted Peter Wood

    He’s not declaring war on NFL and NBA. Owners are his donors. He’s declaring way against black people with opinions.

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    Baud says:

    Next years all star game is in DC. Lots of Latinos in baseball. Wonder what MLB’ll do?

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    raven says:

    @Baud: Have tacos.

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    Baud says:

    @raven: Always a good choice.

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    MomSense says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Yes!!! Well done, Golden State.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The truth is the reverse: it is the athletes’ labor that makes the owners rich, not the other way around.

    While “owners” get rich off labor is true in most cases, owners of professional sports teams mainly keep and increase their wealth through tax abatements and shifty record keeping. Somehow, all the NBA teams are still losing money each year but none of them are for sale…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Damnit, they’re making it hard to maintain the regional rival animosity…. Sigh, good for the Warriors.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone:
    FWIW our NBA majority owner is Indian-American. Michael Jordan is Bobcats majority owner and I’ll speculate LeBron will eventually own a team. The other 28 teams….

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    J R in WV says:

    Local beach bar (no beach, just a beach bar) serves great crunchy fish tacos. They have local micro-brewery beer too!!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trollhattan: Yes. And?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: sure they do! Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain…

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    LanceThruster says:

    Location, location, location! (and name)

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