One of the reasons that diversity is a good thing is because when you hire women and minorities, they often look at things differently than men because they have different life experiences. Case in point:
Congratulations on accidentally defining what prejudice against women in the workplace looks like. FFS, this is not fucking rocket surgery, people.
rikyrah
I have a saying for Dolt45:
The curve for unqualified White Men is REAL ?
This is the simple truth.
I look at the absolute idiocy that comes from Dolt45 and know, without hesitation, that a non-White or a woman would be shoved off the stage-FOR LIFE – if they had done the same.
I have seen it in the workplace too.
TenguPhule
ETA: Knowing John, this was probably intentional.
Jeffro
Looks like we have our Friday evening bombshell…Rohrbacher, Assange, Trumpov…
Shalimar
The quality of stupid arguments in this country seems to be declining. I did not think that was possible.
Elizabelle
@Jeffro: Say what? Link?
I was one of Rohrabacher’s unhappy constituents, until redistricting, a few years ago.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
What’s going on?
Hunter Gathers
There are 200 some odd employees where I work. 6 of them are women. I don’t have to tell you how fucked up that is.
Suzanne
I’m waiting for some dude to tell me everything I need to know about being a woman in the working world. I’m sure that I’m doing it wrong.
Frank McCormick
Once again I have to wonder what people think prejudice and racism actually mean. Not prejudiced against women, but prejudge them as not as competent? Ugh!
randy khan
LGM has more on this. The wording of the conclusion of the study is quite bizarre, more or less saying that men don’t hate women, but only think they’re inferior, so it’s not discrimination. (This is a slightly – but only slightly! – unfair paraphrase, but that’s really what it means.) And the study design was kind of peculiar, too. In fact, I’d say there are pieces of it that make me wonder why they didn’t think there were problems with the results.
randy khan
@Hunter Gathers:
Only six of the odd employees are female? (Don’t worry – I really do understand what you meant, but there are some jokes I have a hard time resisting.)
Suzanne
@Frank McCormick: What’s hilarious is that the most competent architects I know are women and the least competent are men. Yes yes, not all zebras.
efgoldman
@SiubhanDuinne: @Elizabelle:
Not really a big story. Recycled from late August.
Baud
Whew. I was worried it was the breasts that were causing the problem.
germy
“and she was not interrupted again.”
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@rikyrah:
All of this. Should be chiseled into the base of all those damned statues celebrating “heritage.” Tell that truth!
Suzanne
@Jeffro: Share, pleez.
Baud
@Suzanne: Have you thought about smiling more?
Bobby Thomson
But John, they don’t want to kill all women. Some of their mothers are women.
This reminds me of the kids in high school who said they would never marry outside their race but insisted to the history teacher that they weren’t prejudiced.
Suzanne
@Baud: I seriously got an annual performance review in which I was instructed to smile more.
I quit that job. They tried to hire me back this year.
Patricia Kayden
@rikyrah: This is why Coates is so right about Trump’s presidency not being possible without white privilege.
Baud
From a related post on LGM
SiubhanDuinne
@randy khan:
Peter Schickele used to say: “Johann Sebastian Bach had twenty-odd children. P.D.Q. Bach was the youngest, and oddest, of them.”
Elizabelle
@efgoldman: Thank you.
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
I hope you smiled broadly when you
told them to fuck offrefused their kind offer.Suzanne
@Patricia Kayden: To which I would add male privilege. He’s a colossal dickhead, and that was a feature, not a bug, to the deplorables, because being polite, well-spoken, and dignified is for libtards and pansies and cucks. UGHHHHH.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Oh, thanks. Yes, I do remember that.
Must be a slow Friday, for a change.
Suzanne
@SiubhanDuinne:
I did. I also sent them the link to the story in the local press about my building.
Baud
@Suzanne:
I had one where they told me to wear pants more. Fascists.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Don’t know about that, but I always thought the ability to “write” one’s name in the snow was rather enviable.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
I thought John Cole was the only one around here who got those kinds of performance reviews.
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
Glad you did that!
Suzanne
@SiubhanDuinne: These people act like girl children don’t do hilariously inappropriate things.
I have many memories of Jackass-style hijinks with shopping carts with my girlfriends. I was usually the one in the cart, FWIW. My daughters fart all the time.
Major Major Major Major
@Suzanne: Sure, but the inappropriate things that girl children do are just inappropriate, not valuable educational tools that happen to be inappropriate, like peeball.
Arclite
I develop software for a health insurance company, and I’m the only male on my agile team. The team has such great teamwork. There are no egoists, primadonnas, or alpha male like I have experienced on other teams. Highly recommended.
Steeplejack
@Hunter Gathers:
So only six of your women are odd? I think that’s actually pretty good.
@randy khan:
Damn! Late again.
Suzanne
@Major Major Major Major: I learned much about physics when I tried to run and jump down a grand staircase, and of course wiped out and rolled all the way down. Bodies in motion stay in motion, and all that.
Arclite
@randy khan: “We don’t hate women. We just think they are inferior.”
Progress!
eclare
@Major Major Major Major: Downloaded Adguard, thanks!
Elizabelle
Here’s a link to (an article on) the study:
Harvard Business School Working Knowledge website:
Why Employers Favor Men: Why are women discriminated against in hiring decisions? Research by Katherine Coffman, Christine Exley, and Muriel Niederle finds the answer is more subtle than expected.
Major Major Major Major
@eclare: ?? anything I can do to make this website more enjoyable! Unless Alain tells me to stop recommending adblockers! (I don’t have to worry about Cole doing it because he’ll never read what I write.)
@Elizabelle: So the awkward wording comes from a second source, in this case Harvard, who should know better.
@Suzanne: I’m sure I learned things about physics from similar boneheaded maneuvers.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Some names are more difficult than others. Also some are too long.
trollhattan
They’re not against women presidents per se, they’re just used to women presidents.
Think I see how this works. Harvard post now, please!
lamh36
As many have already said…not political, yet they continue to talk about Kapernick and the players political protest against the anthem?
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
Good for you.
The concept that people should be polite to assholes is beyond me.
joel hanes
@Arclite: I’m the only male on my agile team.
Back in the late ’80s and early ’90s, I was privileged to work at Amdahl, a truly great company.
I was in the Design Diagnostics Engineering department, which hired mostly new college graduates, and it was our explicit and achieved goal that 50% of the engineers would be women. We kept that up for a decade before IBM outmaneuvered us and the company folded.
I wish I could tell you that half our managers were women, but as I remember it, that ratio was 6:1.
Where I work now, I’m guessing the ratio for engineers is about 7:3
Cacti
@SiubhanDuinne:
Not gonna lie. It is fun.
SFAW
@Baud:
Well, considering that you keep telling us you were “going commando,” * I’m hardly surprised.
*Not intended to be a factual statement
Major Major Major Major
@joel hanes: Our engineers are currently all male, though our analytics team is mostly women and gay men. We had an agile project manager woman for a while but she ended up to be, ah, completely insane, and is no longer with us, so the tech team is back to all-male. It’s unfortunate. The organization as a whole is about 65% women.
khead
When did I start getting “You May Like” ads before the comments?
chris
@Major Major Major Major:
Physics hurt me!
SFAW
@lamh36:
Well, that’s different, because he’s not from the Heartland, thus does not have “real ‘Murican” values. Or if it’s not that, then it must be something else, but I can’t imagine whatever it might be. Hmmm … thinking ….
Major Major Major Major
@khead: Today. They’re the replacement for the video ad. Alain’s giving us a lesson in being careful what we wish for.
dmbeaster
@efgoldman: The apparent new wrinkle is that Rohrbacher wants Trump to pardon Assange so that Assange can prove that the Russians are clean on the hacking, thereby exonerating Trump (allegedly). I think the pardon angle for Assange is new, and a lot more explosive.
LurkerNoLonger
This is my take: Men can’t judge what is or isn’t sexist, just like white people can’t judge what is or isn’t racist. You have to listen those who have experienced it. They would know.
Cheryl from Maryland
About 27 years ago, the all male curatorial team at the National Museum of American History showed me and some other women their already printed banner and poster design for an exhibition on genetic engineering, entitled “The Search for Life.” The key visual was a genetically engineered red rose. The exhibition opened, guess when, in January the same week as the Roe vs. Wade decision. After we picked ourselves off the floor, we told them they needed to change the key visual STAT or the Smithsonian was going to be in a world of hurt. Some mansplaining later, when it was obvious nothing was going to happen, one woman in PR grabbed a poster and marched to the Director’s Office. Needless to say, the banner, boxes of posters, opening night invitations, etc. were all trashed, redesigned and reprinted. Never did get a thank you or an apology.
NorthLeft12
I have to admit that based on my experience [thirty-seven years] in Engineering, my perception is that women are better Engineers than men. Basically because they have to work twice as hard and put up with ten times the BS that almost all the white male Engineers I know have had to.
BUT I would never let that perception influence a hiring/promotion decision. Jeebus! What the hell is wrong with people? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.
Wapiti
@Baud:
I steer clear of anyone, male or female, who can shred the cowhide cover off of a baseball during a game of Peeball.
NorthLeft12
@Shalimar:
The good news is that the quantity is increasing……no, wait,…..nevermind.
different-church-lady
“”I’m not saying your mother’s a whore. I’m just saying she has sex for money. With people.”
Patricia Kayden
@Suzanne: True. Male privilege only works for Republicans, of course, because Presidents Clinton and Obama sure didn’t get any perks for being men.
different-church-lady
@Suzanne:
“GIVE ME SOMETHING TO SMILE ABOUT, AND I WILL, MOTHERFUCKER!”
Okay, that’s probably why I freelance…
Patricia Kayden
@LurkerNoLonger: Tell that to Sean Hannity!! Look at the diverse panel he assembled to discuss racism.
different-church-lady
@Patricia Kayden: Hell, they spent a lot of time trying to prove they weren’t really men.
different-church-lady
@Baud: I’m having a hard time with “academics” and “playful urination practices” in the same sentence.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: Did you give them both middle fingers, or just one?
Shana
@Suzanne: That must have been very satisfying.
different-church-lady
After reading the comments, the general reply I’m going to give is that incompetence cuts across all genders, ages, races, sexual preferences, political inclinations, etc. etc. It’s just that white males seem to consistently get a pass on it.
gene108
@Cheryl from Maryland:
I don’t get it, what do red roses have to do with Roe v Wade?
Suzanne
@Patricia Kayden:
Not true. They got to be President.
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: I said, “I’m really happy at my current office. Great projects, great colleagues, great work/life balance. It would take an exceedingly compelling offer to make me consider leaving.” And that was that.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: Fuck you, ESPN prez John Skipper. Is it even possible that he does not see how political ESPN is every single day?
Also, I would like to know when it got to be political to call a white supremacist a white supremacist. I mean, really, when did it get to be political to say “Nazis are bad.”
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: Two middle fingers and a big fuck you would be more satisfying, but yours was probably the wiser choice.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Baud:
Is she also a little shrill?//
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: I like gloating. I want to steal their clients instead.
PIGL
@Suzanne: but only because of your fine example.
[ducks, runs, perishes]
Ohio Mom
@gene108: Way back when, red roses were adopted by the anti-choicers as their symbol.
Maybe they still consider them their symbol, but the only visual that pops into my head are old white men holding up posters of miscarried fetuses.
Frankensteinbeck
@rikyrah:
It’s not merely that Trump benefits from the curve. His supporters chose him to be a statement about that curve. Proving that the worst white man would do a better job than the best black man was definitely part of their motivation.
Frankensteinbeck
@WaterGirl:
The 80s. It’s not that white supremacists became accepted, it’s that you had to give someone every possible benefit of the doubt before you could suspect them of racism. Reagan created the mindset that sends people even now hunting for ‘economic anxiety’ as an excuse. It’s one of the big reasons they worship Reagan.
joel hanes
@Frankensteinbeck:
Reagan taught them that they should not feel guilty or ashamed when someone else accuses them of racism, or any other kind of privilege — that privilege should be celebrated and proudly enjoyed.
Adoration of Reagan is a pretty good marker for unacknowledged privilege.
efgoldman
@Frankensteinbeck:
Fuckem
Madeleine
@Baud: Smiling. Aaaiiiieeeeee. I almost lost my grad assistantship over failure to smile long ago.
different-church-lady
@WaterGirl: It is much worse than that: even when we are talking about self proclaimed white supremacists people still act like there’s something taboo about saying they’re racist. That’s just how far down the rabbit hole we’ve gone.
Roger Moore
@different-church-lady:
Second chances are a major component of privilege.
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
When one got himself elected president.
different-church-lady
@Roger Moore: It’s more like the first chance never expires.
Mnemosyne
@Suzanne:
Like Miss Manners, I have always been a proponent of scoring off exes by emphasizing how much happier and more fulfilled you are without them in your life. It sounds like your response fits squarely into that category.
Victor Matheson
With respect to the employment study, it uses pretty standard language for social scientists. There are different reasons why women might have worse job prospects and identifying which one it is is important for creating the appropriate remedies.
There really is a difference between men not hiring women because they don’t want to work with women even though they know they are better, and men not hiring women because they mistakenly think men are better even though they are not.
Jeffro
@dmbeaster:
Sorry for the delay folks…this really was new news…
Yup. Dana Rohrbacher’s got nothing better to do than come up with new ways to try and make the Russians look good. Totally appropriate for a US Congressman.
Sab
@Frankensteinbeck: Yeah, when he started his campaign in philadelphia mississippi.
SFBayAreaGal
Sexism rears its ugly
https://www.fastcompany.com/40456604/these-women-entrepreneurs-created-a-fake-male-cofounder-to-dodge-startup-sexism
Cpl. Cam
@SiubhanDuinne: Slow? Did you hear an eleven year old mowed the whitehouse lawn?!
Lurking Canadian
@SFBayAreaGal: please tell me they called him Remington Steele.
LosGatosCA
@Victor Matheson:
True – it’s the old evil vs stupid vs evil and stupid argument.
Women need to understand that – you weren’t not hired because you were a woman, you were not hired because the hiring manager’s father inculcated him with ‘never hire a woman to do a man’s job’ thereby causing him to rationally, under the circumstances of his caveman like comprehension, to not hire you.
So, as a woman, you need to be very judgmental about hiring managers who never hire women because they think they are incompetent fools and have some compassion for hiring managers who do to the limitations of their life experience have come to believe women are incompetent.
I’m sure women are very glad to know the difference between an ignorant sexist asshole and a conscientiously misinformed moron.
Sort of like the difference between the racists who voted for Trump and the Midwest white people who voted for Trump because they thought without the wall the brown people are taking their jobs, who are not racists at all.