Open Thread: Now with more Nick Danger, Third Eye



Thanks to Raven et al. for reminding me of the genius that is Firesign Theater. Suck it, haters!


Open thread!

150 replies
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    efgoldman says:

    Hell, we have a whole herd of Winnebagos!

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    Every so often I really want to call out Civilization, HOOOOO!

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    HinTN says:

    Anntelope Freeway, 1/8 mile…

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Is this a podcast?

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    CNN reporting there’s been some sort of DACA deal with chuck and Nancy.

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    Mary G says:

    “President Nixon, I need a job!” Good memories of laughing.

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    HinTN says:

    And the ever popular, Bear Whiz Beer.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Chuck and Nancy said trump had agreed in principle to support a straight up vote unrelated to “the Wall”

    they’ve already sent Jethrene out to put out the fire

    Sarah Sanders‏Verified account PressSec
    While DACA and border security were both discussed, excluding the wall was certainly not agreed to.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here’s the AP’s take:

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    debbie says:

    We’re all bozos on this bus.

    (Can this be added to the rotating tags?)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Don’t know if this will post…

    Rick Wilson‏Verified account @ TheRickWilson 38m38 minutes ago
    ┳┻| _
    ┻┳| •.•) The Wall was
    ┳┻|⊂ノ always a lie, suckers.

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    NotMax says:

    What’s amazing is that it is fast approaching 50 years since the LP featuring the Nick Danger sketch (the complete B side!) was released.

    Summer of ’69. Some things truly do eclipse the ravages of time.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Please Don’t Crush that Dwarf.

    ETA: Unless you can Beat the Reaper.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well done.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    Sometimes I forget that my heart has cockles. Then I read a headline that begins, “Martin Shkreli Is Jailed … ” and I feel an odd warmth in my chest. That’s them: the cockles of my heart, warm, glowing.

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    kindness says:

    I had the album We’re All Bozos On This Bus. I still like that stuff.

    Album….yea I’m an old.

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    Paul T says:

    Then it all came rushing back to me like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    Please Don’t Crush that Dwarf.

    Hand me the pliers

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    New news? I know Trump has been really pissing the GOP off lately but I’m sure many of them will welcome a positive development for Dreamers. Deporting them was always going to be a logistical and humanitarian nightmare.

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    Alain the site fixer says:

    @debbie: when I ask for more suggestions, submit it via the form

    ETA: I’ll be adding a link soon to the front page tos submit quotes and pie sayings to be included on the site.

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    @Felonius Monk: @efgoldman: didn’t we say that on the other side?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Does chickening out on the Wall mean Trump’s hardcore bigot support will crater? One can only hope.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    they’ve already sent Jethrene out

    “Jethrene” HAHAHA!

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    Montysano says:

    We’re all going into the hole together.

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    NotMax says:

    Have told the story before, so a truncated version.

    Friend (now deceased) who suffered from rather extreme mental issues (among other things*) was convinced that Firesign Theater was speaking and sending messages directly to him. He engaged in an extended written correspondence with them (which they answered in kind).

    Long story short, his surname was Reber and Firesign Theater ended up including a character named The Rebus on one of their platters, named for him.

    *The reasons for that and other parts of his life story are tales unto themselves, any of which alone a casual listener would dismiss as the stuff of fiction.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I went a’foraging in the fever swamp, came back when I saw Ann Coulter’s eyes seeming to float on the surface of the clouded water, gazing hungrily at me

    Laura Ingraham‏Verified account @ IngrahamAngle 18m18 minutes ago
    THE ART OF THE STEAL: Let’s hope that Pelosi & Schumer misrepresented the #DACA deal. @ realDonaldTrump
    “BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!”…or…maybe…not really.

    Steve King‏Verified account SteveKingIA
    @ RealDonaldTrump If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Steve King‏Verified account SteveKingIA
    @ RealDonaldTrump If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible.

    Fuck you Steve King! Your Furher is really just a failure. Hahaha!

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    Wag says:

    One of my favorite comedy albums And one of my wife’s few flaws is tdhat she HATES this type of comedy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: I’m sure he gave Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi assurances and they think they reached a deal. I’m also sure that the President will flip on this as soon as Stephen Miller and/or AG Sessions talk with him. Or he talks to Bannon on his phone after hours upstairs in the residence. Finally, neither Schumer nor Pelosi have the ability to bring legislation forward in either chamber. So it doesn’t matter what he negotiated with them and agreed to, unless Senator McConnell and Speaker Ryan agree to it, there’s nothing here. What Pelosi and Schumer got from the President is vaporware.

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    Aleta says:

    More Equifax negligence. (For space, this quote skips many parts of the story that would make it more understandable.) The whole blog article is here.

    It took almost no time for them to discover that an online portal designed to let Equifax employees in Argentina manage credit report disputes from consumers in that country was wide open, protected by perhaps the most easy-to-guess password combination ever: “admin/admin.”

    However, all one needed to do in order to view said password was to right-click on the employee’s profile page and select “view source,” a function that displays the raw HTML code which makes up the Web site. Buried in that HTML code was the employee’s password in plain text.

    A review of those accounts shows all employee passwords were the same as each user’s username. Worse still, each employee’s username appears to be nothing more than their last name, or a combination of their first initial and last name. In other words, if you knew an Equifax Argentina employee’s last name, you also could work out their password for this credit dispute portal quite easily.

    But wait, it gets worse. From the main page of the employee portal was a listing of some 715 pages worth of complaints and disputes filed by Argentinians who had at one point over the past decade contacted Equifax via fax, phone or email to dispute issues with their credit reports. The site also lists each person’s DNI — the Argentinian equivalent of the Social Security number — again, in plain text. All told, this section of the employee portal included more than 14,000 such records.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: There isn’t enough thorazine in the US right now to calm Coulter down.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: That they are just now waking up that the President’s word is no good is an amazing example of the power of self delusion.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    God bless Vespucci-land.

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    @Adam L Silverman: chuck and Nancy aren’t stupid though; they wouldn’t let this be known without a decent reason.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: she hasn’t tweeted, I was a bit surprised. But I’ve never looked directly at her twitter feed before. Good think I still had my eclipse glasses.

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t for a moment doubt he said it, especially if Ryan and McConnell were in the room, just to spite them. Josh Barro posited, and I find it at least plausible, that trump is looking for a way to climb down from the “Wall”. I suspect he’s just trying to figure out who to blame.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman: They got Trumpkins whining about being sold out. That’s a small thing, but not nothing, especially if he keeps yoyoing around on all the alleged promises he made during the campaign.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Aleta: Privatize the profit, socialize the risk.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: trump is not credible? Yeah, right….

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I love this firepit at the conference center. I love it so much. 🔥

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    clay says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I went a’foraging in the fever swamp, came back when I saw Ann Coulter’s eyes seeming to float on the surface of the clouded water, gazing hungrily at me

    That reminds me… I plan to see It tomorrow afternoon.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Maybe if she gets pissed enough her head will explode like in “Scanners”.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @dmsilev: And gets basically none of them done. Will his voters stick around when their lives don’t materially improve or even get worse? Yeah, I know, blame the Mesicans. But I can’t see that working forever if things got hairy enough.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: his aggrieved white base in the Midwest, the ones that swung the election, don’t expect him to help them, they expect him to hurt others. Failing at the wall could very well be the thing that costs him support.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: there are voters trump will never lose. But I think back to that woman who, IIRC right around this time of year in 2009, told Obama she was “exhausted” from defending him and why hadn’t he done anything. I don’t know how long those people who believed in crap like the Carrier deal (which has already fallen apart) and “he’s gonna reopen the plant” are gonna wait.

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    hueyplong says:

    I think blowing up the base is a great result, even if the deal fails. So, well done, Chuck and Nancy.
    Really looking forward to the next FTFNYT piece. They will again pretend Trump has a clue.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Could we at least give all of it a try?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: (Edited for clarity) The purpose of Schumer’s and Pelosi’s statement is to piss off and sow confusion among the Congressional GOP majorities and the President’s base.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ryan and McConnell were not present. They were not invited to dine with the President this evening.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Pretty brilliant stuff.

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Self-delusion is right. I still don’t think they would impeach him. If his base support crumbles then I believe Congressional Rs would be more likely then. Dense sure wouldn’t pull shit like this.

    @Major Major Major Major:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yeah, Nixon still had like a 24% approval rating after Watergate.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Driving a wedge between President Trump and Republicans in Congress is certainly good strategy by the Democratic party, and one they know how to execute. I hope the Democrats are getting closer to solving another, bigger puzzle: how to drive a wedge between him and the Republican voters who put him in the Oval Office — and who in three years time might want to keep him there.

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    Adam L Silverman says:


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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Hoping that Schumer and Pelosi kept wits enough about them to not drink the tea.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, but how are we finding out about the leak of the leaking memo? I assume that too was leaked.

    Forget turtles, it’s leaks all the way down.

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    @Adam L Silverman: which is different from saying they got sold vaporware and got all excited, which is what I read your statement I was replying to as saying.

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    lgerard says:

    Time for Sessions to get the polygraph out and find out exactly what happened to those strawberries!

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    Wag says:

    @Adam L Silverman: At first I thought that you were telling MMM to “piss off”. It was only after I reread your comment that I understood your point.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Amir Khalid: There is some question among both the professional polling types and the scholarly ones about what exactly is going on with Trump’s support, specifically his GOP base. While his overall numbers are down, those for his GOP base are stable within a percent or two. However, at the same time, month on month, there has been a drop in the number of self identified Republicans since the President’s inauguration. Some of the pollsters think what is happening is that the polling is capturing a statistical anomaly and obscuring that anomaly at the same time. The anomaly being that the President’s support among his GOP base is remarkably stable at the same time that we have a month on month reduction in self identified actual Republicans. The bottom line appears to be that because there are fewer self identified actual Republicans each month, that what is actually being captured in the President’s GOP support base is fewer and fewer supporters each month. What isn’t being presented in the reporting of the survey and polling data is that even as the President maintains 73 to 75%, give or take, support among Republicans this is 73% to 75% of a dwindling number of self identifying Republicans. Therefore his GOP base is actually shrinking if you’re paying attention to the different parts of the polling data.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Paul O’Nium and Sons: Purveyor of Fine Teas Since 2006.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Whatever the President promised is vaporware. That they were smart enough to weaponize it as a Psychological Operation against the Congressional Republicans and the President’s base is a separate, but equally important item.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    It’s a beverage! It’s a night light!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Wag: I didn’t even notice that till you mentioned it. I’m going to go back and edit it for clarity. As telling M4 to piss off was not my intent.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: It’s both!

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    Aimai says:

    @Paul T: oh yes! I memorized the whole thing.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    As telling M4 to piss off was not my intent.

    You are no fun.

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    joel hanes says:

    IMHO, “I Think We’re All Bozos On This Bus” is the highpoint,
    (Man, Woman, Child: All are up against The Wall Of Science!)
    and “Temporarily Humboldt County” is the most mordant
    (Domini domini domini — you’re all Catholic now)

    But I cherish “Everything You Know Is Wrong”,
    and the ultra-attractive mouse-blue uniforms.
    (You’ve been mossed.)

    And “In The Next World You’re On Your Own”
    is deeply strange, and yet a perfectly comprehensible LA Cop show.

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    HuCat says:

    Regnad Kcin!

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    I guarantee you they know Trump’s word isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, so I’m sure they have another motivation. I’m wondering if they’re giving Ryan and McConnell cover to pass status-quo legislation. Just Trump for capitulating! Orangemandias is too damn stupid to know he’s being played.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: They’ve both proven to be very savvy, so no argument here.

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    joel hanes says:


    I memorized the whole thing.

    Then you don’t need to keep your thumb on your place in the script ?

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    patrick II says:

    A couple of weeks ago Senator Grassley said he would vote for (and presumably release with Democratic votes) the Steele Trump Dossier. I didn’t expect that he was telling the truth, but has anyone heard an update to this story?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Don’t quit your day job, whatever it is.

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    Jacel says:

    @joel hanes: The FT made a film of “Everything You Know Is Wrong”. While the audio album is a complete experience in itself, the added visuals are a consistently interesting counterpoint.

    I still need to pick up the new DVD release, which includes a live performance by them before the screening at UC Santa Cruz that I attended.

    Here’s the earlier VHS release.

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    dm says:

    Dr Memory? This is WORKER speaking: Why does the porridge bird lay its egg in the air?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Noisy little bastards. But they seem to be trying to keep them separated from us adults.

    I was invited to an early morning yoga class, but I’m having second thoughts. It finally cooled off this evening, which means it’s going to be in the low 40s. And the yoga class is outdoors. 😨

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I always think that one of my favorite comedy sketches is from Firesign Theater, but it’s actually The Frantics.

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    @Mnemosyne: It’s cooler down here in the flatlands too.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I was texting with G and he was excited that he actually got to turn off the AC and open the windows tonight.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Dear god, you have been in southern CA too long. That’s “is it a sweater is enough or should I wimp out and bring a jacket too?” weather. Or, if you play rugby, the best you can expect. OTOH, I jumped out of perfectly good airplanes, so my judgment on these things may be suspect.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It’s the swing that does it. If it was 20 degrees yesterday and 40 degrees today, it’s practically shorts weather. But it was 70 degrees today and will be 40 degrees tomorrow, so it’s arctic.

    Also, I don’t have the right pants with me, though I suppose I could wear my Batgirl pajama pants and no one will care.

    ETA: Fixed the temperature — it was 80 yesterday, 70 today.

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    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Dear god, you have been in southern CA too long.

    No such thing.

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    I don’t have the right pants with me

    Taking after the Blogfather, I see.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    it was 80 yesterday, 70 today

    Dear God, the horror! How can you stand such violent swings in temperature?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: Okay, when I lived in Columbus, we would get 20 degrees one day and 55 the next. It was disturbing. I get it.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Who knew I was going to be doing outdoor yoga in 40-degree weather? I overpacked as it is.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: All due respect and all that, but I could never live there. I need the change of seasons.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Just making it clear that it will be a 30-degree swing between today and tomorrow morning, not a 40-degree swing.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It’s a big state. Up here in the mountains, they get all four seasons, including snow deep enough to have to plow.

    It’s not for me, but the people who live up here seem to like it.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: We have seasons: spring, summer, fire, rain and mud.

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    @Gin & Tonic: My commute has bigger swings over the course of an hour!

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    Adam L Silverman says:


    Batgirl pajama pants

    Which Batgirl?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Major Major Major Major: An hour? What is that, like 12 miles or something?

    This state is fucking crazy. If I can drive the 8 miles from work to my hotel in under 45 minutes, that’s considered good. Oh, and if I wanted to live here, I could buy a 1,200 sf 3-bedroom house on an 8,000 sf lot for only a million dollars. Hello?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne: You know what I mean.

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    @Gin & Tonic: Again, I take the train.

    And yes, decades of building no housing turns out to have an effect, who knew.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Here in the tropics, “seasons” is an alien concept in any context other than rain.

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    @Gin & Tonic:

    I could buy a 1,200 sf 3-bedroom house on an 8,000 sf lot for only a million dollars.

    Gotta keep the RWNJ’s out somehow.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    All due respect and all that, but I could never live there. I need the change of seasons.

    Southern California has seasons! There is a month of summer, a month of autumn, and 10 months of spring.

    But I understand your view. When the boss says the project deadline is April, for instance, my first thought is “Crap! What month is it now?”

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    @Amir Khalid: I know, I had a girlfriend from your neck of the woods. It was really funny seeing her see snow for the first time.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    She looks like Yvonne Craig to me, so probably late 60s to mid 70s.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Local news story here the last couple of days was about a house that sold for $782,000 over its asking price. No, that’s not a typo, and I don’t mean it sold for $782,000. It was listed at $1.6M or something, got 20 offers, all over that price, and sold for $2.5M. A completely undistinguished, 4-bed, 2-bath, 2,000 sf house. Fuck that noise.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amir Khalid: I would be really knocked off my kilter if I didn’t have four recognizable seasons in my year. It affects where I could live.

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    @Gin & Tonic: You must be in the Bay Area.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: You get over that, it’s just what you’re used to.

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    Aleta says:

    Frozen mud
    Blowing grit
    Three nice days
    Black flies
    Paradise leaving
    Early winter

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Sunnyvale.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Aleta: Maine, right?

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    Aleta says:

    @Gin & Tonic: yes indeed. Ontario too.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Aleta: I always understood there were only four: pre-winter, winter, mud and blackflies.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: Late Golden Age/early Silver Age Barbara Gordon. Was checking to see if it was one of the others: Helena Bertinelli, Cassandra Cain, or Stephanie Brown.

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    @Gin & Tonic: yeah, that’s what you get when you don’t build any new housing. Which we haven’t. Because of NIMBY’s. Whose houses are now worth a lot.

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    Aleta says:

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s called the puckerbrush.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: No. I wouldn’t get over it. I would miss it. You are a native CA person, yes? Don’t presume to know how people from another climate will react to yours.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: You know I know people that moved here, right? Like my parents. You do get over it.

    ETA: Most folk who move here, don’t leave cause they miss the cold. Anyway, there’s the mountains.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’ve been here fifteen years and I miss seasons.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Not just the housing is insane. Next town over is Apple’s new headquarters. $5 billion to build. That’s about $417,000 per employee. Super “green” and eco-friendly building. So green that it’s surrounded by 11,000 parking spaces. Sure, let’s all commute at one person per car on roads that were designed and built a half-century ago. You people are fucking nuts.

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    @Gin & Tonic: and you’re from what world capital of efficient infrastructure?

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    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.] says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Sounds about right for the Maui real estate market in some places……… /s

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    Aleta says:

    @Gin & Tonic: It must have been something when there were orchards from what, Menlo Park to Sunnyvale?

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Millard Filmore: After I lived in Socal a few years, I was about to take a business trip to DC in November. The secretary asked me if I had packed a coat for the trip. I started to say “it’s only November, what do I need a coat for?” before I realized the rest of the country has this thing called “weather” and stopped myself. It’s a good thing she said that because otherwise I’d probably have forgotten.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Some may. Others may not. Mnem moved there from Chicago and was happy. I couldn’t do it. You should also notice that my previous comment prominently featured the word “I” . I wasn’t speaking for others. I need four seasons.

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    Mark K says:

    Love hearing Nick Danger again!

    “Come in a dry your mukluks by the cellophane”

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Have you tried anything different for any length of time?

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    Achrachno says:

    @Millard Filmore: You guys are giving the outsiders the wrong idea about seasons in lowland southern CA. Looked at the the perspective of the wild plants growing untended in the hills, we have the same four seasons as the rest of the temperate zone, the labels are just a bit scrambled.

    Spring is the season when plants in the hills begin to dry up and die
    Summer is the dormant season when not much grows
    Fall is the season when new life begins to sprout and the hills begin to turn green
    Winter is the season of growth and vivid green everywhere

    Of course, in irrigated places things are a bit different.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: ????????????????????

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Well, originally from NYC. Which has, as I have pointed out, 4x the population density of SF, and where people (generally) don’t drive to work. Because you’d have to pay $50/day to park your car, among other reasons.

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    @Gin & Tonic: yeah, the cars don’t move there very well either. Look, I agree this place is a disgrace.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Have you lived in a place “without seasons” for any length of time? We do have seasons, we just don’t have snow.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Good night all.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: No, and I do not want to do so. I am going to bed now.

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    Fair Economist says:

    I’ve long said Southern California has two seasons, and they’re both mild. There’s summer, when it’s warm and dry, and spring, when it’s chilly and rains occasionally. I’m quite irritated with how global warming is heating up our summers, though. They’ve gone from warm and dry to hot and dry.

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    @Fair Economist: Actually summers are much more humid that they were when I was growing up. I never heard the phase ‘monsoonal flow’ growing up.

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    Aleta says:

    I love skiing in the woods and freshwater swimming everywhere, and boy do I also miss California so much it hurts. Filling the gas tank on the motorcycle, bike lanes, hot eucalyptus in the air, camping on beaches, eating plums right off the tree first thing in the morning, jobs, fresh lemons and artichokes, California food and movies, the Sierras. Hot springs. The light on the dry hills.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’d still call the summers “dry” even though as you say they are more humid than they used to be. It still compares favorably to the South and Midwest. Now it rains sometimes in the summer, which it never used to do. Inland they’re starting to get a second rainy season in the summer like Arizona.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:


    It must have been something when there were orchards from what, Menlo Park to Sunnyvale?

    I moved to San Francisco in 1989, and there were still lots of orchards in that area – certainly not continuous, but enough that businesses named “Pruneyard” or “Orchard Supply” didn’t seem improbable. Are there any left? I can’t remember the last time I saw trees that hadn’t been planted as landscaping.

    As for seasons: Faugh. I moved here after college in Philadelphia and several years in DC, and had spent my childhood zigzagging between New England, Hawai’i, and Northern and Southern California, thanks to being a Navy brat. I’ve experienced plenty of seasons and never miss them at all. The four years we spent in Paris were culturally wonderful and climatically horrible, as far as I’m concerned.

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    PIGL says:

    @Aleta: Prince Albert? Chicoutami?

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    Origuy says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: I moved from Illinois to Sunnyvale in 1978. There were cherry orchards scattered all over the place. Only one or two left. I could walk out onto my second story patio and pick cherries off the tree in the patio below. My office building was surrounded by empty fields. It isn’t just NYMBYism that has kept housing in short supply. It’s easier for developers to build office buildings and let them sit empty than build affordable housing. Plus there’s only so much land. Environmental restrictions prevent the kind of land reclamation in the bay that was done for Foster City, and you can only build so much in the mountains.

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    Bjacques says:

    @Origuy: WE LOVE YOU CEEDROW WILLIE!! (Chorus of groans)

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    @Gin & Tonic: Welcome to California, now go home. And please do tell all the people back home what a horrible, horrible place it is and how no one should ever move here and under no circumstances. //

    (Hey, we need all the help we can get keeping housing prices down.)

    @Gin & Tonic: Actually not many residents of SF drive to work within SF either. A but part of traffic congestion is the 45,000 Uber/Lyft drivers (who commute to work there from other areas) who account for an estimated 20% of overall SF traffic. And being the tip of a peninsula causes obvious choke-points a la Manhattan (vs. most other cities).

    The Peninsula/San Jose traffic problems are more due to locals getting to one part to another, but much more it’s people commuting in from the East Bay suburbs and beyond. It’s compounded because the 101 is near the edge of the bay/marsh lands, so there’s limited non-freeway alternatives for northbound traffic. When I was in LA, there’s enough streets paralleling the freeways that you could bail onto them when there was SigAlert. Here, no such luck. Especially because Foster City has inadequate roads in and out of it, which causes huge northbound back-ups on the 101.

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    Tehanu says:


    No, no, the four seasons of L.A. are fire, mudslide, the Oscars, and escrow!
    “Welcome to California, now go home. And please do tell all the people back home what a horrible, horrible place it is and how no one should ever move here and under no circumstances.”

    Which is why every Jan. 1 I look out the window at the sunshine and clear skies and curse the Rose Parade for attracting everyone back East who’s looking at 12 feet of snow and thinks, “Hey, let’s move to California and escape winter!”

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    joel hanes says:

    Are there any left?

    Only symbolic ones.
    Sunnyvale maintains a working cherry orchard on the west side of Mathilda just south of El Camino, a tiny remnant of the former Olson operation. Saratoga has some orchard on the site of the former Paul Masson sparkling winery.

    And Apple’s apparently despicable new campus has a good-sized wedge of either prune or cherry orchard inside the ring of the spaceship building, which I think they’ll hire someone to work.

    ETA : You can see it here :

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    raven says:

    Imagine waking up to this!

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    On the other hand, I firmly believe that Minnesota should have at least one week every year where the temperature doesn’t get above 0 Fahrenheit in order to make sure that Californians don’t start moving here.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Aleta: At least the password wasn’t “password”

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    Regnad Kcin says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: hear, hear; 3 years in SD for grad school left my new england acclimatized self deeply seasonally affected

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    “What about my pickle?”
    “You’re lucky you still have your brown paper bag, small change!”

    “Defoliating a Victory Garden sure is tough work. If I can get some work out of that boy of yours, I can have the bunker finished by Election Day.”

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    Jacel says:

    @Origuy: I remember Congress of Wonders. My favorite sketch was their Russian novel parody, which doesn’t seem to be online. “Is not fit night out for man nor beast. Ha! Ha! Ha!” “Aw, mom…” And the frisky samovars.

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