Trump’s Outsourced DACA Announcement (Updated)

The “beleaguered” KKKeebler Elf is being trotted out to announce the DACA decision in just a few minutes. Makes sense — Trump outsourced the job to him:

What a cowardly, inept piece of shit. You can watch it on CSPAN here. [Announcement over, and the KKKeebler Elf scurried back to the tree without taking questions.]

Trump has a cult comprising about 27% of the electorate, but few outside of the constellation of True Believers have any respect for him. The Russians certainly don’t — looks like Putin no longer thinks Trump is a genius (not that he ever did):

Putin also criticised the United States, saying it was preposterous for Washington to ask for Moscow’s help with Pyongyang after sanctioning Russian companies whom US officials accused of violating North Korea sanctions.

“It’s ridiculous to put us on the same [sanctions] list as North Korea and then ask for our help in imposing sanctions on North Korea,” said Putin.

“This is being done by people who mix up Australia with Austria.”

Just drop the pee hookers tape already, Vlad.

While Congressional Republicans are sticking with Twitler for an oligarch relief package, they’re working around him because they know he’s a fucking idiot too:

On two important policies — sanctions on Russia and health care — a working majority of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate has already thwarted Trump. Another bipartisan majority appears to have formed against Trump’s threat to shut down the government unless he gets significant funding for a wall along the Southern border. In fact, on any number of issues, there are enough anti-Trump Republicans in the Senate not only to block the president but also to push their own policies contrary to the president’s — as was the case with Russia sanctions.

My guess is this workaround will become more common as Trump becomes increasingly unhinged. The Republicans deserve zero credit; they’re keeping the nuclear codes in that lunatic’s chubby little hands. But they may decide to degrade his ability to completely destroy our democracy out of self interest. Yay.

The Daily Caller, a wingnut site, is trying to spin Trump’s ceding of civilian control to the the military as a positive:

Morons. Also, Chief of Staff John Kelly allegedly doesn’t like Trump:

There’s a shocker. I hope Trump sees that story and makes Kelly jump through hoops. Trump can’t read people for shit since he’s a malignant narcissist. Remember when he weirdly proclaimed that President Obama liked him, when it was obvious to anyone with eyes that PBO was handling Trump like an irradiated turd that he (Obama) nevertheless had an obligation to install in the Oval Office?

Then Trump decided PBO was his mortal enemy and made up outrageous lies about wiretapping, probably because he (Trump) didn’t receive a blubbering endorsement from his predecessor. Yeah, Kelly better watch his back.

ETA: Per Newsweek, President Obama might choose to get involved in this issue as follows:

Former President Barack Obama is said to be considering speaking out against Donald Trump’s alleged plan to scrap the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA).

The president will reportedly announce on Tuesday a plan to end the Obama-era program within the next six months, a move those close to Obama say the former president will rally against.

A source close to the former president told Politico that Obama will write a Facebook post and share it on Twitter as well, speaking out against the president’s decision if he does choose not to protect Dreamers.

Good. This is a stupid, short-sighted, financially dumb and morally obtuse decision driven entirely by bigotry. Please feel free to share news of protests, action plans, etc., in comments.

117 replies
  1. 1
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    “rescinded”– I would’ve bet a hundred bucks he’d kick the can down the road and use his rallies to blame McConnell and Ryan
    ETA: I have the Keebler Klanself muted but from the chyrons it looks like he’s throwing the haters some bloody red meat– a “surge” of minors coming over the border! A juvenile brown horde!

  2. 2
    The Dangerman says:

    Maybe they only gave him one scoop last night?

  3. 3
    HyperSphericalCow says:

    What’s the over/under on how many days until the next ego-puffing campaign rally?

  4. 4
    Betty Cracker says:

    He’s going full metal xenophobic piece of shit. “Illegal aliens,” etc. And the hypocritical posturing about law and order from this administration. Un-fucking-real.

  5. 5
    Hungry Joe says:

    I’m waiting for the “There’s no difference between Trump and Hillary so I’m voting for Jill Stein” crowd to explain their reasoning to 800,000 DACA recipients.

  6. 6
    HyperSphericalCow says:

    @The Dangerman: “And then there was Donny Two Scoops, who got that nickname because he always wanted two scoops of ice cream.”

  7. 7
    raven says:

    Quoting Tourley

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    cope says:

    Not going to watch, thank you, I’m off to top off supplies as Irma tries to make up her mind.

    I expect the president* will be outsourcing a lot more of his announcements if he sees that a human lightning rod (even an elven one) attracts more heat than he does for actually making the call.

    Sad to say but it’s almost nice to have a potential natural disaster to worry about rather than the flaming bag of poo that is our fearless leader.

  9. 9
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @HyperSphericalCow: I wish to endorse this monicker .

  10. 10
    Central Planning says:

    Trump is a fucking coward.

    I feel like a primal scream may be in order, but I’m at work.

  11. 11
    LAO says:

    I feel like Alice through the looking glass. What total shits this administration is:

    Sessions says ending DACA is "the compassionate thing to do"— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) September 5, 2017

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    Betty Cracker says:

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    JGabriel says:

    Al Jazeera via Betty Cracker @ Top:

    “It’s ridiculous to put us on the same [sanctions] list as North Korea and then ask for our help in imposing sanctions on North Korea,” said Putin.

    “This is being done by people who mix up Australia with Austria.”

    I can’t stand Putin, but even I have to admit that’s a nicely executed piece of shade. Well-played, Vlad.

    (Of course, I’ve long suspected that Trump confuses Iran and Iraq too.)

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    @Hungry Joe:
    At the moment, they’re reading the ‘ponies’ excerpt from Hillary’s book that’s going around, and saying it’s proof that Hillary hates (metaphorical) ponies. It makes me violently angry.

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    raven says:

    Smirky little cocksucker.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I have the Keebler Klanself muted but from the chyrons it looks like he’s throwing the haters some bloody red meat– a “surge” of minors coming over the border! A juvenile brown horde!

    OMG! They’re gonna eat all our candy!

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    Elizabelle says:

    Obama’s contempt for the rule of law. Acting like he leapt to executive order, when the truth was that Republicans in Congress would not do its job.

    Had to turn it off.

    Three president Trump references for the day is my limit. And forget about fluffing his “leadership.”

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    LAO says:

    If the so-called liberal press doesn’t roast Sessions and Trump for the obvious falsehoods and outright lies in this announcement — I will be officially done.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Hungry Joe: Right now that’s exactly who I’d like to hear their reasoning. After that they can explain it to the rest of us. Assholes, all of them.

    @JGabriel: I’m certain he confuses Iraq and Iran, and the only reason he can find Australia on a map is that it’s kind of its own continent. I doubt he could find Austria though.

    I’m (probably) going to take a mental health day and avoid news. Feel free to create and over/under on how long through the day that will last.

  20. 20
    LAO says:

    @LAO: Looks like I’m giving up (and “talking to myself”):

    https://t.co/fZnbupXd0m— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) September 5, 2017

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    @LAO: Vichy Times coverage will be the usual lap dog style.

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    LAO says:

    Can someone translate this for me:

    Ryan on DACA: "It is my hope… that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”— Robert Costa (@costareports) September 5, 2017

    I think Ryan’s saying — “oh well, that’s a shame. I wish I was in a position to do something about it.”

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    Brachiator says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    He’s going full metal xenophobic piece of shit. “Illegal aliens,” etc. And the hypocritical posturing about law and order from this administration. Un-fucking-real.

    The last time a Southerner went on so much about the rule of law was some moron defending Fugitive Slave laws.

    It was sickening to see Sessions turning Dreamers success against them. Ninety five percent are working or in school, but of course they are stealing what rightfully belongs to “real” Americans.

    And Trump has learned to be presidential; he sent his errand boy out to deliver the news.

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    If you want a better summation of what’s happening than our esteemed T fluffers in the media are willing to provide
    Check out the Twitter feeds of two immigration attorneys

    Greg Siskind and David Leopold

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    mai naem mobile says:

    He’s a coward so of course he outsources it. Big shocker.
    I saw a theory on twitter a couple of days ago that Dolt45 is pulling this so that the GOP will get pissed off enough to kick his ass out and he can go back to his old life. Sounds as good theory as any other at this point.

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    LAO says:

    Jeff Sessions used to be in favor of #DACA. When he thought it meant: "Don't Allow Colored Americans." #DefendDACA— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) September 5, 2017

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Betty Cracker: Well done.

    Although people are unemployable through employers’ actions too. I don’t put the full onus on the unemployed, without a full understanding of circumstances.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Vlad has buyer’s remorse.

    Pee Hooker tape will drop soon.

    Donald said yesterday that this would be a big week. For once in his miserable life, he may have actually told the truth.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Hungry Joe:

    I’m waiting for the “There’s no difference between Trump and Hillary so I’m voting for Jill Stein” crowd to explain their reasoning to 800,000 DACA recipients.

    As though they’d ever interact with one.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: At this point what makes us think pee hookers would make a scrap of difference?

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    Nicole says:

    CNN has an op-ed up about what the reaction on the conservative side to the Louise Linton debacle says about the electorate. Best paragraph:

    “The response from the right (or lack thereof) to Linton’s outburst is more evidence that the 2016 election wasn’t just about white working-class voters feeling unrepresented by out-of-touch elites. It was also about a group of Americans who don’t care one iota about character or honesty or even reality, but do care about sticking it to liberals and creating chaos for fun — because liberals, and the people increasingly benefiting from the changing political order, are women and people of color.”

    I have a few right-wingers on my FB feed and one of them has posted stuff exactly this- that he’s more interested in seeing liberals get angry than anything else. Ending DACA is right in line with what they want- I don’t think half of them even understand what it is. Doesn’t matter. If it hurts brown folk and makes liberals mad, it’s a fine thing.

    I was visiting my stepmom over the weekend, in Central PA, and stopped by an art festival in Harrisburg. It was a pretty diverse collection of vendors and attendees, but within five minutes of sitting down in a biergarten area to sample the local brews, my husband and I were approached by a local who made a joke to us about the blonde ale being called “Cheap Date” and his daughter being a 22-year-old blonde and should he be offended? I inquired why “blond” had to refer to a woman, and he got huffy and started complaining about political correctness, and then, when I said “political correctness” is just treating people with respect, starting telling me about all Asian people he worked with and how they were fine with him making jokes about their backgrounds because it was all in good fun (at that point my husband asked if he was sure they were really finding his jokes funny or if they were just pretending because he was the boss).

    This is who these people are. As Kay said a few days ago, until things affect them personally, they don’t care. They’ve picked their team and they’re sticking with it and that the rest of the world thinks Trump is a moron is not their problem. USA! USA! As long as it’s white.

    Also- a guy making a joke to total strangers about his own daughter being a cheap date? Creepy. I feel for that young woman.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    Can we start with deporting illegal model Melania? We’re talking about law and order right?

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    GregB says:

    AG Sessions is ranting about rule of law. The same guy who lied under oath and works for the most corrupt President in US history.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brachiator: States’ Rights? What are those? Yankees, return our chattel!

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    James Powell says:

    @Hungry Joe:

    I’m waiting for the “There’s no difference between Trump and Hillary so I’m voting for Jill Stein” crowd to explain their reasoning to 800,000 DACA recipients.

    Jill Stein voters & the “No Difference” stay at homes don’t care about DACA people; they aren’t white people with college degrees.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Nicole: Cleek’s Law…it’s as if it were passed by Congress and signed into law by the shitgibbon himself.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @mai naem mobile: NM AG just said many of these young people are as American as Melania Trump. I know he doesn’t watch MSNBC, but if Omarosa texts that to the Beast, watch for a twitter tantrum

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    @different-church-lady:
    They’re also saying that this shows how ‘both sides’ is asinine, although of course Democrats and Republicans are both equally ruled by corporations.

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    Another good Twitter feed to follow for immigration related matters.

    Alt_USCIS

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    Kelly says:

    @Elizabelle:

    And forget about fluffing his “leadership.”

    The correct word is “leadershit”

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    Nicole says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: So true. It’s really weird. This RWNJ on my FB feed (mind you, I’ve blocked him from seeing mine) has two young daughters. I feel bad for them, too.

    Come to think of it, he lives in Florida. Although I want Irma to take a swing out to sea and fade away, I will be interested to see his position on gov’t aid if his property gets hit.

    On the bright side, on the other side of the coin we have my brother- very religious, lives in Tennessee, and told me after Tropical Storm Lee caused $100,000 damage to his house that he would never resent paying taxes, ever, because FEMA gave him $30,000 towards fixing everything and the gov’t gave him a low-interest loan for the rest. Some folk do get it.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I listened while driving home. Sessions does read better than Trump, but I almost lost it when he insisted ending DACA was compassionate.

    I hate the way Republicans have twisted the meaning of that word.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: See this for some epic trolling by VVP. Samples:

    The only thing is that it was done in such a clearly boorish manner. That does not reflect well on our American partners. But it’s difficult to conduct a dialogue with people who confuse Austria and Australia. Nothing can be done about it. Probably such is the level of political culture of a certain part of the U.S. establishment.

    Asked by a reporter if he was disappointed with Trump, Putin said:

    Whether I am disappointed or not, your question sounds very naive – he is not my bride and, likewise, I am neither his bride nor bridegroom.

  44. 44
    ArchTeryx says:

    @Hungry Joe: I’m waiting for all the Latinos that voted for Trump to explain THEIR reasoning. Haters gonna hate. That huge numbers of minorities voted for the hater simply boggles me.

  45. 45
    ArchTeryx says:

    @Hungry Joe: I’m waiting for all the Latinos that voted for Trump to explain THEIR reasoning. Haters gonna hate. That huge numbers of minorities voted for the hater simply boggles me.

  46. 46

    @Nicole:
    The RWNJ position when they get government aid is that ending government aid programs won’t affect them. They will still get aid because they deserve it.

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    Barbara says:

    @Nicole: There is something desperate and pathetic about his evident need for a camaraderie steeped in bigotry. I am glad you refused to soothe his frail ego.

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    @ArchTeryx:
    I’m guessing those are the Latinos who think they’re accepted as white.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    None of the meanness and stupidity emanating from this White House makes me think any worse of Donald Trump. Nor could it; he’s been at absolute zero in my estimation for the past two years, since he started running for President.

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    Barbara says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: You know, I think it’s just disgusting and demeaning that our political culture has sunk to such depths that Trump’s relationship with Putin could be described in marital terms, and not because it has homoerotic overtones. And I am still completely stunned that so many people were so stupid that they could listen to this man and come away thinking he was brilliant or a man of action or strength or any other good quality that would redound to their benefit.

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    @mai naem mobile: Technically we’re talking about LAWW and OHDUH

  52. 52
    Barbara says:

    @Amir Khalid: Even though I am tempted to agree, I have to say, as with the Republican Party overall, I am surprised at just how low the line can go.

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    randy khan says:

    I figure that having Sessions make this announcement is a reward for something. I wonder if that means he is out of the doghouse.

  54. 54
    Barbara says:

    @randy khan: He will never be out of the doghouse but he will be thrown a few bones every now and again so that is never really tempted to stray out on his own.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: Immigration is not the #1 issue for some Latinos, believe it or not. And many are very conservative religious types. And some, yes, are white.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Amir Khalid: So true. The only people who have dropped in my estimation are my fellow Americans who voted for the demagogue. I’m particularly pissed at 53% of my fellow white women. Idiots.

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    scav says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Putin “he is not my bride and, likewise, I am neither his bride nor bridegroom.” I don’t know, that is sounding relatively open to a same-sex marital relationship for his Vlad-ship, even if denying the Orange one is the blushing diva of his dreams. Should he be run out of his own country on the strength of that?

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    @Frankensteinbeck: Its funny how people are ready to point fingers at the 25% Latinos or 53% white women who voted for T but never once mention the biggest demographic of T voters.

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    @Betty Cracker: Why are you surprised, the most virulent misogynists I have encountered IRL have been women (in India and here too). Sisterhood is a myth.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Its funny how people are ready to point fingers at the 25% Latinos or 53% white women who voted for T but never once mention the biggest demographic of T voters.

    100% of morons?

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    @schrodingers_cat:
    …white men? We go off on them all the time. It ashames the Hell out of me how racist and mean-spirited my demographic is.

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    Kay says:

    When the attorney general tells us that this isn’t about bigotry, remember that this attorney general decided to defend a Txas voting law that was determined to be deliberately discriminatory against Latinos.

    Conservatives need to explain this- why are the drafting, passing and defending voting laws that were designed to discriminate against Latino voters? I thought their objection was to immigrants? The people they’re discriminating against in Texas are citizens. Remember- deliberately discriminatory. DESIGNED to prevent certain citizens from voting.

    What is the possible explanation for this other than irrational bias against a group based on ethnicity? That’s what courts found- the AG keeps losing on his crusade to stop brown people from voting.

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    Peale says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yep. The pool of Latino voters are citizens without visa issues. And many of those latino voters aren’t Mexican or Central American. And like all voting groups, voters who are poor don’t tend to vote, so the Latinos who vote are of a different class than the Mexican working as a dishwasher illegally. 70-30% is probably as good as the Dems will be able to expect. Unfortunately, you could run every DACA Mexican or Guatemalan out of the country and the response from the Latnio voting pool will be “thank goodness I followed the rules and my citizenship protects me”. Then they’ll move on to other issues. And 70-30% is a tremendous split that the Dems should be thankful for.

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    debbie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    You’ve now stated that often enough, you really ought to just name who you believe to be “the biggest demographic of T voters.”

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    hitchhiker says:

    @JGabriel:

    My reaction to that Australia/Austria quote was to hope it gets in front of all those sudden Russia fans in the red states.

    Your new bff Putin is laughing at you — he was always laughing at you, because he knows how stupid you are.

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    catclub says:

    Per Newsweek, President Obama might choose to get involved in this issue as follows:

    What a surprise! Congress needs to do its job on immigration. Which just happens to be what I was saying for years, in particular when I announced the DACA program. It was because Congress is not doing its job on immigration.

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    @schrodingers_cat: @Frankensteinbeck: I think you’re both right. On the one hand, we do talk about how awful white men often are, quite a bit; on the other hand, when we’re looking around for somebody to blame for Trump’s election, we often decide to harangue minority groups who we think should have known better, forgetting that these white men (or any other group of Trump or non-Hillary voter) possess agency too, and made just as terrible of a decision and are just as revolting. It’s like minorities have the duty to band together and save us from Republican votes that just fall out of the sky like a force of nature, rather than being equally shitty people making equally shitty decisions.

  68. 68
    Kay says:

    Why would Texas Republicans and the Trump Administration not want Latino citizens to vote? It isn’t the “citizen” part of “Latino citizens” they object to. It’s the “Latino” part.

    Why are they thwarting this group from voting their interests? And spending public funds to do it! It’s not even a WINNING crusade. Federal judges are ruling again and again that they can’t discriminate against one group of voters based on ethnicity, and the Trump Administration keeps trying to get it past a judge. Why? Nothing WHATEVER to do with immigration.

    Republicans should have to explain this. It’s directly contradictory to what they are telling the public.

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    @debbie: T’s image in the mirror, Older white men. Statistically speaking of course.

    @Major Major Major Major: Word

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    chris says:

    Bloomberg would like us to feel sad for conservative techbros. I’ll pass.

    Shashi Ramchandani, who manages a team of engineers at Google, has never been shy about being a conservative

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    SenyorDave says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Its funny how people are ready to point fingers at the 25% Latinos or 53% white women who voted for T but never once mention the biggest demographic of T voters.

    I think in part its not mentioned frequently because most people take it for granted that a large percentage of white males are whining, stupid assholes (I am a white male, although being Jewish, I’m pretty sure many Trumpkin white males don’t count me as white).

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    LAO says:

    I may shout “get off my lawn” a little more often than I should but, this, this is good:

    #Breaking: Students at Denver schools are walking out of classes in protest of #DACA announcementWATCH: https://t.co/fYKBG4jvCA pic.twitter.com/ErH0Hz86oq— Channel 2 KWGN (@channel2kwgn) September 5, 2017

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    Immanentize says:

    @LAO: The kids are alright.

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    @Major Major Major Major:
    Context is important here, though. This is specifically a discussion about how Republicans hate Latino. Latinos who vote in significant numbers for a group that specifically hates them is relevant. They don’t come up in discussions of economic horrors, where we roast rural whites voting to fuck themselves over, for example. It’s true that women and minorities are given more credit for not being bigoted, with declarations of surprise and disappointment when it’s proved they are. But if the accusation is that we don’t blame white men, Jesus fuck, we do that constantly.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yup. In a sentence, and to everyone I’ve ever known who was a Republican but wasn’t rich and hungering for a tax cut, the ethos is: “The government could help everyone who really needs it if the liberals would quit wasting that money on welfare.” This should be regarded as an oxymoron, but it isn’t, it’s an article of faith.

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    debbie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Thanks. Unfortunately, I know many, blood-related or not, who voted for Trump but don’t fit into that demographic. Anger got him in, and there’s no way to turn that into a useful demographic.

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    germy says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    the ethos is: “The government could help everyone who really needs white people if the liberals would quit wasting that money on welfare black people.”

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    Jeffro says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    The only people who have dropped in my estimation are my fellow Americans who voted for the demagogue. I’m particularly pissed at 53% of my fellow white women. Idiots.

    Um, 63% of white men voted for Trumpov. At least your demographic was close.

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    WereBear says:

    @debbie: I don’t know what anyone can do about the people who make momentous life decisions… with very little thought. We all know them, and in the past, we might have even been them:

    They choose a college major and career because they parents told them to.

    They marry the person they are currently dating because everyone else is doing it, and “it’s time.”

    Children, likewise.

    They look up from Candy Crush and see a rally for a fellow who is “breaking all the rules” and they are like, “Yeah, that’s always good” (in the movies!) and they vote for him.

    The common clay of the new West…

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    Nicole says:

    @Barbara: Thanks, but I kick myself for the many times in the past something similar has happened and I’ve said nothing. I’m trying to do better about calling it out going forward. Sadly, I suspect I’ll have lots of opportunities.

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    Jeffro says:

    @chris:

    Bloomberg would like us to feel sad for conservative techbros. I’ll pass.

    They’ll get down to some seriously small contingents of Trumpov voters before they’ll even think about interviewing a Clinton voter, won’t they? Unbelievable.

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    @debbie: Anger and smug stupidity.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @chris: WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE DUDES WITH THE SIX-FIGURE DESK JOBS?!?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Hungry Joe:

    “Hillary would have been worse because Obama deported more people than Trump has.”

    I’ve already seen them at it on Facebook.

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    sukabi says:

    @JGabriel: between the not so thinly veiled threat the other day and this one

    In a conversation with Russia-24, Isaev seemed to indicate Russia possesses incriminating information on the American president that he would like to see go public, The Independent reported.

    When asked to verify if they have such material, Isaev exclaimed, “Of course, we have it!”

    It seems the Russians have grown weary of their buffoon as well.

    Meanwhile Mueller is pushing congress to have public hearings as he thinks repubs will try and cover-up things that need to be made public

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    chris says:

    @different-church-lady: People probably call them bad names too!

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Nicole: People who complain about having to be ‘politically correct’ simply want the right to be an asshole without being called an asshole

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    MazeDancer says:

    Just have to say, Betty, “oligarch relief package” is brilliant. And so true.

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    @Mnemosyne: Fun fact: ‘deported’ is a very hard word to nail down, and different administrations use it to mean different things. Obama let himself be presented as “the deportation king” by certain readings of the numbers because it let activists make the case for immigration reform better.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Peale: but you forget the siblings of DACA recipients who are legal and many will come of age in the next 10 years. I don’t think those people will forget who kicked their siblings out of the country. Only 80,000 votes kept Hilz from winning. Think of the the people related to 800,000 DACA recipients who would vote. Yes,I know gerrymandering,red border states etc., its still 800000 people.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:

    Whether I am disappointed or not, your question sounds very naive – he is not my bride and, likewise, I am neither his bride nor bridegroom.

    I suspect there’s a Russian idiom there that’s not coming across in the translation. Do any of our Russian speakers know what it might be?

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    MJS says:

    @Nicole: Yikes! I’m born, raised and live in Harrisburg. We’re not all like that (Harrisburg is in Dauphin County, which went for Hillary, and you were at Kipona, a very old Labor Day Weekend festival). Hope you had better experiences than that.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @schrodingers_cat: white men get white privilege even when they screw up in their voting.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Fun fact: there are certain “activists” who will use any stick to beat a Democrat, even when the Democrat is on their side.

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    Nicole says:

    @MJS: I grew up in Mechanicsburg (graduated from Cumberland Valley). Things were different on the West Shore (aka the White Shore). It’s definitely better than it was when I lived there (back in the 1980s) but unfortunately this guy didn’t surprise me because I grew up surrounded by men just like him; I just now am old enough and out of enough fucks to give that I called him out on his behavior.

    We did have a nice day at the festival otherwise, though! It’s fun to see the local breweries popping up. Speaking of, I went to high school with the Troegner brothers- suffice it to say I’m not surprised they went into making beer. ;) It’s is funny to see Troeg’s everywhere now. I’m glad they went back to PA to set up their brewery.

    My stepmom lives in Dauphin County now, and I’m happy to hear Dauphin went for Hillary- the area around where she lives was overrun with Trump-Pence signs. I know she voted for Hillary, but then my stepmom is a survivor of the Pol Pot regime and smart. ;) My dad died right before the PA primaries but I know he was planning on voting for Bernie, which really disappointed me.

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    Nicole says:

    @Just One More Canuck: Truth. The guy who approached my husband and me even tried, “Well, it (political correctness) just makes conversations so vanilla now.” I told him I’d had plenty of invigorating, edgy conversations without making stereotypical comments about other people’s sex, skin color, or ethnic background.

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    TenguPhule says:

    But they may decide to degrade his ability to completely destroy our democracy out of self interest.

    And gut the executive branch’s powers to do it.

    So we end up with rule by the Fucking Republican Kingmakers in Congress by fiat unless there’s a serious fight to reestablish the role of the President.

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    Josie says:

    @Kay: The simple explanation is that, if all Texas Latinos who are citizens would vote, their vote would be largely Democratic. It is possible that the numbers would be enough to turn Texas blue. It’s also why the Republicans don’t want to give the Dreamers a path to citizenship. If Texas turns blue, it it all over for the Republican party, and they know it. They are running scared.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Generals Love Trump’s Military Authority: ‘We Don’t Get 20 Questions

    Talk about sideways insults. “Obama was horrible, he was always asking questions like “so, will this work?”, but with Trump, no questions at all”

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    catclub says:

    @Jeffro:

    Um, 63% of white men voted for Trumpov. At least your demographic was close.

    It seems to me that white men could argue that they would be better off with Trump. I am not sure how white women could make that argument with a straight face.

    I am still amazed at my fellow citizens that he got more than 10% of the total vote. 45% or 46% is quibbling about making the rubble bounce.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Mnemosyne: maybe he was referring to a booty call

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    @catclub:

    It seems to me that white men could argue that they would be better off with Trump.

    That would only be true for the 1% demographic, the fabulously wealthy.

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    @different-church-lady: Again, Obama didn’t really push back because he hoped the narrative would get folks to agitate for comprehensive reform.

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    sunny raines says:

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good [people] to do nothing”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XhK_8eRrcM&list=RDMM9XhK_8eRrcM

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    Seth Owen says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, and being tough on immigration got Obama exactly what?

    We’ve called their bluff. Anti immigration isn’t about law and order or jobs. It’s about too many brown people. Period.

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    @schrodingers_cat:
    For Trump’s voters, ‘allowed to hurt minorities’ is their definition of ‘better off.’

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    @Seth Owen: obama was wrong, apparently. I was trying to explain what he did and why he did it. You also seem to have missed the point, which is that he wasn’t actually as tough on immigration as the “deportation president” activist narrative has led you to believe.

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    catclub says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I did not say it would be true. But the argument would be much more true for white men than women.
    Given the promised jobs returning (yeah, right) were things like coal mining, construction and manufacturing.

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    @catclub: if you look at the ethnographic research done by a professor at Madison of the trump voters in the exurban rust belt, they say that they didn’t expect trump to improve their station, just to hurt the right people.

    ETA: and their biggest regret is that he hasn’t stopped tweeting

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    Whether I am disappointed or not, your question sounds very naive – he is not my bride and, likewise, I am neither his bride nor bridegroom.

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: You will note that in this statement, there is no possibility of Donnie Two Scoops being the man.

    Deliberate. That Putin guy knows his shade.

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    Brachiator says:

    @catclub:

    It seems to me that white men could argue that they would be better off with Trump. I am not sure how white women could make that argument with a straight face.

    Do white women live by themselves or in sisterhood enclaves? Or do most of them see their lives intertwined with white men?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Brachiator:
    I see them as being short-sighted, stupid, and deserving of immense suffering, alongside the men in their lives.

    How’s that?

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    Brachiator says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    .. . ..I see them as being short-sighted, stupid, and deserving of immense suffering, alongside the men in their lives.

    How’s that?

    Yeah, that works.

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    James Powell says:

    @catclub:

    It seems to me that white men could argue that they would be better off with Trump. I am not sure how white women could make that argument with a straight face.

    My take – based entirely on anecdotal conversations over the last 20 years – iis that those women did not vote with the idea that they’d be better off. They voted for Trump because they really really hate Hillary Clinton for reasons that [I’ve been told at least 10 times] I will never understand because I am not a woman.

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    James Powell says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    obama was wrong, apparently. I was trying to explain what he did and why he did it.

    I’m inclined to agree that Obama did not get the leeway on immigration that he might have expected when he acted to “look tough” on immigration. But I sometimes wonder if that was how he was able to get the dodgy members of his own party to support DACA.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m with Amir Khalid !! Nothing could reduce my opinion of Trump, Sessions, Pruitt, any of those white nationalist facist traitors. You can’t get below absolute zero!

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    jonas says:

    “This is being done by people who mix up Australia with Austria.”

    Fuck Putin and all that. But, as Fat Tony sez, “It’s funny because it’s true!”

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