We heard the same bullshit when Rove did the anti-gay ballot measures in 2004: “W doesn’t want to do this, he has gay friends and he’s a nice guy, but he will because he’s savvy”.
The tongue job the Times is giving Trump over DACA is even worse.
it's bad enough to print a lie, but it's obscene to grant anonymity for it https://t.co/ia2VCCMwW0 pic.twitter.com/uHuSCREPhy
— Bae Talese (@elongreen) September 4, 2017
I s’pose it’s so they can keep getting the sweet Javanka leaks.
schrodingers_cat
Vichy Times prints garbage and fluffs R presidents.
Oatler.
He’s fluffed already! Look at him go go go!
SenyorDave
NYT profile from the 1940’s?
He has sympathy for the children, but Auschwitz and Buchenwald were just necessary.
Godwin be damned
Villago Delenda Est
Who wrote that? Haberman? Thrush? One of their understudies in hackery?
debbie
Trump wouldn’t know “sympathetic” if it walked up and kicked him in the groin 900 times.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Quit calling the aggrieved ones “Javanka” – that almost gives them a time of trendiness, which they don’t deserve.
I go with “Jarvanka”, because it is closer to JarJar Binks…
SenyorDave
@debbie: @debbie:
Trump wouldn’t know “sympathetic” if it walked up and kicked him in the groin 900 times.
Can you arrange a PPV for that? I’d pay to see it.
Peale
Yep. Laura Bush will save us! Laura Bush on the gay issue = Ivanka on DACA. They are there to make us think about a GOP that isn’t really there. One that might not do these things in an alternative universe. A few good apples! Why get mad a a group that has a few good apples?
dmsilev
@Villago Delenda Est:
So, yes.
smintheus
Could somebody get this message to John? The Juice system won’t let me send the message because it supposedly looks like a Hawaiian meat product.
LAO
Tom Levenson
FTR. Today’s Thrush-Haberman-Davis story is a bit better, playing Trump as a clueless and disengaged babbler. Terrible headline (On DACA, President Trump Has No Easy Path) — which is down to the Times hopeless editorial direction (the reporters do not write their own heds). But the story plays it pretty straight.
Amaranthine RBG
Look, the bottom line is that America needs comprehensive immigration reform.
We should treat every person with dignity but we need to uphold the rule of law and protect our borders and national security.
smintheus
The NYT has quite the gig. It’s simultaneously the Voice of The Opposition, and Pravda.
The sneering smart aleck in the back row, and the dumb-as-a-post suck up in the front row.
Lucy, and Charlie Brown. Also sometimes the football too.
smintheus
@Amaranthine RBG: Yeah, like the way the law applied in full force to Melania. /snort
But her emails!!!
@Amaranthine RBG:
So why isn’t Sessions on trial for perjury instead of going after kids who were brought in at the age of 2 by their parents?
Jeffro
@smintheus: It’s different for hookers…excuse me, for escorts…
Gozer
@smintheus:
Bethlehem, PA? I hadn’t heard anything about this…my neck of the woods too…
Duane
I hope Trump goes to the top of Trump Tower and jumps off it.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeffro: “Models”
Villago Delenda Est
@Amaranthine RBG: Donald and Jayuff hold the rule of law in utter contempt. Try again.
smintheus
@Gozer: Neither had I until a rabbi I work with mentioned it. And I work in Bethlehem. The M Call doesn’t seem to have reported on the planned march.
Gozer
@smintheus: Yeah. I can’t find anything anywhere. My wife teaches at Lehigh so we’re a little more clued-in than others in the valley, but we’ve been away for the last week. I figured at least she would have heard something from administration, a trustee, student, somebody…
smintheus
Serious question: When Trump was just down in Texas ‘comforting’ people at a shelter and telling them to have a great time, did that not apply to Dreamers and their relatives at the shelter? Or does losing everything you had in life make it easier to just ship you off now to Mexico?
smintheus
@Gozer: What’s her field? I’m in history at Lehigh.
tobie
@Amaranthine RBG:
This administration does not give on whit about the rule of law. The decision to rescind DACA is an act of cruelty toward people who have known no other country but the US for most of their childhood. You’re invoking border security and national security to change the subject. DACA has nothing to do with either.
Mnemosyne
@smintheus:
@Gozer:
The Nazis seem to keep announcing rallies and then chickening out when it looks like they’ll be outnumbered by counter-protesters.
It’s kind of what they do. In San Francisco, they changed the proposed venue so many times that counter-protesters ended up wandering the streets trying to find the Nazis, who IIRC never showed up.
low-tech cyclist
Did HaberThrush point out that Trump’s actual actions oddly failed to coincide with his alleged sympathies?
We can’t know what’s in a person’s heart. All we can see is what they say and do. And that’s much better evidence than what anyone claims about that person’s feelings.
kindness
The esteemed Grey Lady is a common $2 whore.
That’s really all. I think prostitution should be legal so I’m not saying this as if the NYT is immoral. It’s just that, do they have to be such freaking cheap whores about it? At least have SOME dignity.
@Amaranthine RBG: Are you a bot?
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
So are you posting this from your cottage in Sonoma or from your vacation spot in Jackson’s Hole? Inquiring minds want to know.
p.a.
Hey NYT, does he like puppies too?
JPL
So I was offline, due to meetings for four hours, the grand orange wizard ends DACA. fk em, and I see that tropical storm Jose is forming near Irma. I hope Jose takes out Mar Lago. Yup I know that I didn’t want the orange wizard’s dream ruined, but those times have long passed.
Mr Stagger Lee
Listening to CBC (Canada) the Canadians are looking to jump on this. Valuable immigrants, to enhance the nation’s economy. What’s not too like.
Mike in NC
Question for readers of the New York Times: are they also beating the drums for a preemptive war with North Korea like they did for Iraq?
SatanicPanic
@low-tech cyclist: Yeah, but you can endlessly apologize for people if you spend all your time speculating on what they might feel, which is the point for these hacks.
Amaranthine RBG
@smintheus:
@Villago Delenda Est:
@tobie:
@But her emails!!!:
Those were all quotes from Clinton’s 2016 campaign website.
geg6
@low-tech cyclist:
Yeah and I refuse to give them a click to find out what I pretty much already know. Which is that no, they don’t mention it because that might hurt Ivanka’s…oops, I mean their anonymous source’s feelings. And then what would happen to their vaunted access?
Lapassionara
@Amaranthine RBG: My grandfather came to the US in 1908, with his wife and infant son. There were no laws governing immigration then, as I understand it.
When WWII started, the son decided to enlist. That was when he learned, for the first time, that he was not a citizen. The Air Force helped him remedy that little problem, and he stayed in the service until after the Korean War. Of course, his parents were Scottish.
Focusing exclusively on “the law” ignores history and equity, imo.
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
Creepy stalker is creepy.
SatanicPanic
@Amaranthine RBG: ooh clever. What did you win?
Frankensteinbeck
@Amaranthine RBG:
Ah, I see. You’re quoting Hillary Clinton wildly out of context – note that the complaints ranged against you here almost entirely are about the context – because of some bizarre, obsessive hate that is still looking for a way to slam her. Got it.
Gozer
@smintheus: She’s in CaS.
Faculty?
Villago Delenda Est
@dmsilev: Both of them should be flayed alive. Too bad Ramsey Bolton has left Winterfell permanently.
efgoldman
@Amaranthine RBG:
Creepy Berniebro is creepier.
Go play with the rest of the leftier than thou purity ponies and leave the grownups alone.
Amaranthine RBG
@Frankensteinbeck:
You’re silly.
Villago Delenda Est
@low-tech cyclist: We know what’s in Donald’s heart. Raw, undisicplined hate of the non-white.
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: Yeah, real cute. Context matters, asshole. Clinton was not going to boot 790K people who grew up here out of the country.
tobie
@Amaranthine RBG: Oh ho ho. So clever. Taking quotes out of context. HRC wouldn’t have rescinded DACA, though sainted Bernie might have given his past opposition to immigration reform. Bugger off. People’s lives today have been ruined and yet all you seemed to want to do is score points against HRC.
randy khan
@Amaranthine RBG:
I’m not sure I see your point. This, after all, is what Clinton said about DACA in June 2016:
What she said, in full
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
You take that back! There is no call to insult honest garbage.
smintheus
@Amaranthine RBG: My response was a quote from Donald Trump.
TenguPhule
@debbie:
Obviously a theory that needs testing to confirm or disprove.
jl
I was busy running around home doing stuff this morning, so couldn’t quite hear Sessions’s miserable statement over the radio. Just finished reading it. Better for my blood pressure.
IANAL, but screw them anyway. And I heard some talking about the issue enough on the news radio this morning to decide that the idea that DACA executive order is unconstitutional is total BS. After listening to the famous lawyers talk lawyer talk on the radio, I noticed the weasel words in Session’s statement. Sessions claimed that DACA is unconstitutional because it does what Congress refused to authorize. Which is a little different from Congress prohibiting it. And Sessions didn’t bother to mention previous laws that specifically authorized procedures to prioritize enforcement of immigration law.
The real legal problem is that now we have five crooked political hacks on SCOTUS and the BS lawsuit by ten states will probably win by one vote. But seems to me that there would be some lawsuits that can make the point that there is no problem with the DACA EO. But IANAL, so not sure how that would work now that Trump has issued his monstrous and bigoted decision.
smintheus
@Gozer: Yes.
Amaranthine RBG
Look the bottom line is that America is a great country and she became great because of immigrants. Except for the immigrants that slaughtered the Native Americans.
I support a strong America that values its citizens and expects its citizens to play by the rules.
I have grave concerns about executive orders made on subjects of national importance without the input of Congress.
TenguPhule
@low-tech cyclist:
Yes we can. By cutting them open and checking. Though one only finds blood that way.
/Yes, this is a joke.
Aimai
@Amaranthine RBG: no you don’t.
TenguPhule
@JPL:
Trump is infamous for insurance fraud.
Just saying.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Trump has sympathy he can come out and say it like the stand up guy he claims to be and not rely on surrogates leaking to reporters.
TenguPhule
@Mike in NC:
Nikki Haley already is at the UN. Fuck her with a rusty chainsaw. She is the literal embodiment of every single derogatory insult involving exchange of funds for services rendered.
clay
@Tom Levenson: You’re right:
Such strong leadership!
FlyingToaster
@Amaranthine RBG: Concern troll is concerned. Purity troll is pure.
Unless you’re going to to hold the IOIYAR asswipes to your same standard(s), please go the fuck away.
mai naem mobile
@Gozer: a Nazi rally in Bethlehem just has an odd ring to it. Can’t quite put my finger on it. Who hailed from Bethlehem a while back? I’ll have to look it up.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Josh at Talking Points says it best
Frankensteinbeck
@Amaranthine RBG:
Was anything about my description wrong? “You’re silly” is an evasion, not an argument.
Frankensteinbeck
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Okay, THAT I can believe.
jl
Idea that Obama’s DACA EO is problematic in any way is BS. Fine to stretch other EO’s like the 2001 AUMF into nano strands to do any damn thing.
If Congress won’t do its job on an issue of national importance, what is the president supposed to do, just sit there with this thumb up hie or her ass?
Previous legislation on immigration give the executive wide latitude to prioritize enforcement of immigration law.
We should not be distracted by such BS. Need to fight the Trump and racist wing of GOP (which sadly is most of them) on repealing DACA. Seems really that important to me.
We may have to work with the miserable excuse the Trumpsters are giving for their vile decision and work to pass something in Congress, but no reason not to make their lives miserable over their BS.
Good thing that there are enough reactionary GOPers who have other concerns that sheer racism, and may be willing to help.
This fight needs to be all out, just like fight against Obamacare repeal/replace.
The monstrosity and damage to country of repealing DACA and subsequent crime against humanity when enforcement kicks in, is just too great not to do everything we can to stop it.
Aimai
@Amaranthine RBG: so you don’t understand language, rhetoric, or anything, really.
TenguPhule
@jl:
Congressional Republicans: “YES!!!”
low-tech cyclist
@TenguPhule: I’m trying to remember which mystery writer said, “the way to a man’s heart is through his ribcage.”
catclub
@Lapassionara:
umm, unless you were Chinese. Or from a ‘non-Christian’ nation.
jl
I don;t see any point or interest in trying to figure out or arguing over what is in Don Trump’s weird little head, at least any more than is needed to win on DACA one way or another.
The ass was ‘conflicted’, trapped by his own campaign hate speech and stupid promises that pandered to ignorant bigots xenophobes and racists, and is trying to weasel out of a tough position.
What is new about that? It’s really the same thing we have seen from the toxic fool since Jan 2017.
low-tech cyclist
@Villago Delenda Est:
Tru dat, but I don’t blame them for not saying that. I do blame them for saying anything at all about Trump’s feelings, let alone something as blatantly unbelievable as HaberThrush’s source.
catclub
@clay:
I think it is a fair bet that they (Congress) WILL NOT come up with anything. This is how you do it and avoid the blame. I hope to be wrong about this.
Amir Khalid
@Amaranthine RBG:
You stink at concern trolling. Maybe you should quit.
burnspbesq
@Amaranthine RBG:
That’s as laughable as every other post you’ve ever defecated onto these pages.
burnspbesq
@Amaranthine RBG:
Which you trotted out in bad faith.
Amaranthine RBG
@burnspbesq:
Those are quotes from Clinton’s 2016 campaign website.
You better get your mind right so you can support Clinton 2020!
TenguPhule
Instead of playing with the troll, we could all be talking about how utterly fucked up the Congressional schedule is for this month and how much bad shit will come running if they make any mistakes.
burnspbesq
@Amaranthine RBG:
There is no reason for anyone to take that statement at face value. The next time you argue ANYTHING in good faith will be the first.
burnspbesq
@TenguPhule:
If?
Bruce K
@SenyorDave: Point of order: Godwin’s Law be damned. Mike Godwin himself has been vocal on that topic.
Frankensteinbeck
@burnspbesq:
Yep. And refused to address refutations.
TenguPhule
@burnspbesq:
I was trying to put an optimistic spin on it.
Barbara
@Lapassionara: Many people who served in WWI were not citizens. Some people were exempted because, essentially, they were citizens of one of the enemy combatants — e.g., my grandfather was “Austrian.” In reality he was Serbian, which was part of the Austrian Empire (and the country that set off the entire conflagration). Nonetheless, you could choose to serve even if you were exempt, and many did.
catclub
Trump Ends DACA With Sessions As Bearer Of Bad News
what took them so long? Why were they on ANY WH Council in the first place?
Sab
@TenguPhule: Good point.
Captain C
@Amaranthine RBG: Ah, you do have self-awareness.
Frankensteinbeck
@catclub:
My guess is a lot of people really, REALLY don’t want to see just how evil Republicans are, and they’re peeling away slowly as they finally get overwhelmed.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@SenyorDave: Eh, maybe 1930s. Hitler was named Man of the Year by Time Magazine at least once. Before he threw some non-aryans in the oven that is.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
Look in a mirror douchecanoe. And I hardly would call responding to a person’s comments a lot “stalking”. Grow up.
glory b
@Amaranthine RBG: Was she referring to DACA or immigration reform generally?
catclub
I believe there was a post either here or at at LGM with a solution for trolls. I think it was ‘do not engage, at all, no matter how smart your putdown’.
Amir Khalid
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
TIME also named Ayatollah Khomeini as Man of The Year in 1979. The editors didn’t intend that one to be a compliment either. I’m not sure how TIME feels about its 2016 nominee, then President-elect Donald Trump.
SFAW
@Villago Delenda Est:
“Assets” is the term Vladi Vladimirovich uses, I believe.
Frankensteinbeck
@burnspbesq:
I admit, until this conversation I did not realize that Amaranthine RBG is not merely someone with difficult viewpoints, but flat-out a troll arguing in bad faith. It seems undeniable here, and I am redefining accordingly.
catclub
@TenguPhule: Peter Orszag wrote that they need to roll up huge bits of it into one bill.
I agree. I also agree with Mnuchin that they should roll debt ceiling extension in with Harvey relief. I do not understand why far right GOP congressmen want to split it off and fight over it.
TenguPhule
Troll be gone. Actual Serious Issues Here.
Complete Utter Shitfest.
Amaranthine RBG
All Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.
We must move aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.
We must surf on the zeitgeist, triangulate our morality, and calibrate our moral vision according to the mood of the people.
Chyron HR
@Amaranthine RBG:
It’s okay, honey, the mean old Clintons have been vanquished forever. It’s a shame that the country had to be destroyed in the process, but you can’t make an omelette without berning a few eggs.
jl
Crying about rule of law is total BS. We had very workable ‘rule of law’ on undocumented people brought to the US without their own agency as young kids. I was Obama’s DACA EO. It’s the law of the land. A partisan judge ruled on a bad faith partisan lawsuit and granted an injunction against an expansion to DACA, which a split SCOTUS left in place. DACA itself is fine.
Really not the time for BS on this, and I am tired of giving in to dishonest crap from bigots and xenophobes and cynical GOPers and their sad dupes.
The dishonesty of vileness of Sessions miserable statement today is hard to beat. Trump is the only person who could top it.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@burnspbesq:
If they were so “concerned” about executive power regarding DACA, then I’m sure ARBG has spoken out against GOP congressmemebers repeatedly failing to pass an immigration bill to fix it, right?
TenguPhule
@catclub:
Because the Steve King Republicans don’t want anything to pass unless they can hold it hostage for cuts to federal spending (to programs not affecting themselves, of course). They’re anarchist fantasy LARPers, not legislators.
And they’ve got enough pull in Congress to be a serious problem, especially because the alternative to them is requiring Democratic votes and the stupid fuckers ZEGS and Turtle have been doing everything in their power to alienate and piss off the Democrats in the House and Senate.
Amir Khalid
@Amaranthine RBG:
Was soll das heißen?
Amaranthine RBG
@Frankensteinbeck: @Chyron HR:
You best get your mind right for 2020!
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
Clinton doesn’t really matter anymore. If she had been President, DACA would be safe for now. This is the GOP’s fault for kicking this can down the road. And its also the fault of the millions who couldn’t deign to vote for a Demoguerat, especially Hitlery. Now hundreds of thousands will pay the price for it.
jl
@Amir Khalid: Dada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
No they’re right. You’re an asshole who doesn’t argue in good faith. Oh, and you’re not funny.
Doc Sardonic
@low-tech cyclist: Actually, you can with verifiable certainty tell what is in a persons heart. Their actions tell everything, while they lie with their words. As Jesus said “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:15-20 KJV. So my advice to our “learned” media is that when someone shows you who they are quit trying to square their action with what is in the heart.
Cacti
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Many thanks to the Bernfeelers who voted Trump.
The contradictions have been heightened!
stinger
@Frankensteinbeck: Amaranthine RBG loves pie! So, not all bad!
WaterGirl
@Frankensteinbeck: I have never used the pie filter before, but I added her just now. Once the page reloads, since the replies are “pie” also, it becomes obvious that he/she/it has taken up at least 1/3 of the thread with her trolling and too-cute-by-half taking Clinton quotes out of context.
What a waste of time, space and breath. If we all ignored it, this would have been a much better thread.
Amaranthine RBG
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Good God, man, are you daft? Clinton is going to be the face of the new, invigorated Democratic party. Already got a fantastic book launch lined up for this fall.
You dismissal of Great Leader will be noted for your permanent record.
TenguPhule
Adding injury to injury, Texas landlords charging rent on flooded properties.
TenguPhule
@WaterGirl:
That’s what I said.
trollhattan
@catclub:
What’s Spanish for “pivot”?
Cacti
@Amaranthine RBG:
I can’t believe I waited this long to use the pie filter.
Amaranthine RBG
@TenguPhule:
Yes, you two get back to your important task of MAKING AMERICA A BETTER PLACE by you incisive blog commentary.
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
Kuhscheisse oder Stierscheisse oder vielleicht Pferdscheisse? Was denkst du?
The Thin Black Duke
@Cacti: Me too.
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
Heard about that over the weekend. Texas law is sharply in favor of landlords over renters, which I’m certain comes as a shock to all.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
1. No she’s not.
2. The Dems would be insane to nominate a, while highly qualified, candidate like Clinton after what happened in 2016. Not. Gonna. Happen. Her and Bill’s time is largely done outside of fundraising.
3. This cult of personality you’re parodying doesn’t actually exist.
4. Like Biff Lowman: “You’re a phony little fake.”
TenguPhule
Okay, fess up people.
Who came up with “Ashes to ashes, funk to funky, we know Major Tom’s a pie junky.” ?
trollhattan
@Cacti:
As a new user you’re entitled to a scoop…make that TWO scoops of ice cream on your new pie slice.
SFAW
Bot technology seems to have improved. Well, not “improved” – just closer to being able to pass the Turing Test.
Amaranthine RBG
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Nah, I think the Berniebros have learned their lesson and will flock to support Clinton.
I mean, who couldn’t beat Trump in 2020, right?
I don’t think there is a Clinton cult of personality since her personality really doesn’t inspire that sort of thing. I don think that there are a lot of anger monkeys who have apparently note even read her campaign website who are very devoted to her. Well, on second thought, maybe that is a cult.
JMG
In other news Nikki Haley gave a speech today pretty much promising the US was going to pull out of the Iran deal. It contained numerous lies, but I suppose that’s not news.
Redshift
@TenguPhule:
Even if they hadn’t pissed them off, both have openly declared that they won’t allow anything that can’t pass with Republican votes. Funny how all the Very Serious Centrists and bipartisanship fetishists never talk about how this hands the keys to extremist hostage-takers.
Oh, wait, they don’t talk about it because it can’t be blamed on both sides refusing to compromise, do it can’t be the real problem…
trollhattan
O/T Next time you’re out for some nighttime photography, bring your armored vest and whitest possible clothing ensemble.
TenguPhule
@JMG:
One woman wrecking machine at the UN. Payment for services rendered indeed.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
ARBG
….Jesus Christ, what the fuck does that have to do with my comment at 120?
TenguPhule
@trollhattan: Saw that. Friends or not, the “but think of the poor deputy’s feelings!” is sickening.
Kathleen
@SenyorDave: Well the NYT Fascist Fluffers did administer tongue bath to Hitler in the thirties. It’s part of their heritage.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
It is a troll winding you up because you’re responding to it.
Let it eat pie.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@trollhattan:
Oh my god.
“I know Jake. I like Jake. I don’t want him to lose his job over this even though I could have died because he was a dipshit.”
Amir Khalid
@SFAW:
Ich glaube, du hast Recht. Es muss irgendeine Art Scheiße sein.
Amaranthine RBG
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
I am Hillarysplainin to you how she is rested an ready for 2020 and how all the Berniebros have learned their lesson and will now bend the knee in 2020.
Have you preordered her book yet?
Patricia Kayden
@jl: Well said. EOs are perfectly legitimate when Congress repeatedly refuses to do its job which is how Republicans behaved under President Obama for eight years. He did the right thing when he signed the DACA EO.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amaranthine RBG:
I sincerely hope your death is as slow, agonizing, and humiliating as possible.
Redshift
@smintheus:
People can’t have a great time in Mexico? Elitist!
/Stephen Miller
AnneWith
@Cacti: And it’s so educational!
TenguPhule
@Redshift:
Skin a centrist and you find a very serious fascist underneath.
Ridnik Chrome
@TenguPhule:
Doug, obviously.
Shana
@TenguPhule: Perhaps he’s infamous for insurance fraud, but he’ll probably get additional scrutiny this time, and at least the club will be out of commission for a period of time, effecting his bottom line despite all the grifting.
catclub
@trollhattan: IN Trump’s case, pendejo.
Millard Filmore
@Amaranthine RBG:
We need to follow the law … well, unless your last name ends with “Trump”. Then you don’t have to obey the law, the regulations, or even the Constitution.
And Trump’s close family members can also ignore the law.
And his inner circle too.
And his outer circle.
And top Republican party people.
And ICE.
And police.
Trump is a vastly bigger threat to the country than the Dreamers.
catclub
@trollhattan:
You could knock me over with a waterlogged mattress, when I heard that.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amaranthine RBG: You can fuck right off anytime now.
Jeffro
Joy Reid tweeting that Trumpov only wants to be president* of his 34% (or less) base…because he plans to monetize them…
From your lips to Orangemandias’ ears, Joy: could General Kelly please convince Trumpov to “declare victory, go home, and milk the rubes like never before?” without all this messy being POTUS stuff? Just resign, Orangehole: THEN you can really let fly and no one will criticize your ‘many sides’ crap
trollhattan
@catclub:
True. Can’t remember which Cheech and Chong movie had Cheech telling Chong while they were driving around the hood that pendejo means “really good friend” and he should use it to fit in. Which of course he later does..
A Ghost To Most
@Amir Khalid: Hey, this is an American website.
Speak Spanish.
SFAW
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
This may help provide some insight: ARBG chose that nym/nom — although it will doubtless pretend otherwise — because it is of the belief that RBG should have retired when Obama was in office, to give Obama a chance to nominate a non-right-winger (since it seemed likely to SOME here that RBG was going to kick the bucket any second). When RBG refused to follow ARBG’s wet-dream-inducing wishes, the “Amaranthine” thing was an attempt at bitter irony, because it would fucking show us how fucking stupid we fucking were for not fucking appreciating its wisdom, especially when RBG kicked the bucket during Jeb!’s [sic] presidency.
Of course, I don’t recall much contrition when Turtle decided to hijack the Constitution vis-a-vis Garland’s nom. And, of course, had it been RBG’s slot being filled, Mitch would have been MORE than happy to allow a liberal nominee to replace a liberal Justice, so I’m sure ARBG would have been proved right, yet again.
I don’t recall if you were commenting here when this all started — last year, or perhaps 2015 — but thought I should provide a little context for the idiot known as ARBG.
TenguPhule
@catclub:
Those things do weigh on the order of a hundred pounds or more.
Oh, you were being rhetorical.
Cacti
Twitter is not full of patience for Susan Sarandon today:
bemused
@clay:
He’s still talking to Bannon, this last weekend I think my tv said. I can imagine what Bannon’s advice on DACA to Trump would be.
Trump doesn’t have a clue about anything but I suppose his diehard country supporters will give him a pass on not knowing that a pickup bed is there for hauling stuff, not the cab.
Kay
Maybe they’re ashamed that they promoted him all these years as some kind of delightful eccentric and he’s really just a sleazy, mean-spirited jerk.
“What makes Trump tick?” Nothing. He’s just a dick.
Sessions is even worse. Boy did they get him right the first time around, keeping him off the bench. They were right the first time. No reason to revisit him. Another low quality Trump hire. It could be worse. He could have had a lifetime appointment.
Amaranthine RBG
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
That’s a perfectly rational and normal thing to say to someone.
You are a quality person.
The Lodger
@mai naem mobile: You’re thinking of Mario Andretti, right?
TenguPhule
@Kay:
The Year is not over yet.
bemused
@jl:
He’s tried to shift blame from himself to others his whole pathetic, useless life.
SFAW
@The Lodger:
Penn State linebacker in the 1950s, right?
catclub
@bemused:
The news about Trump’s body man, security blanket, binkie, quitting will have more and more effect. People used him to get around whatever was insulating Trump from them. I do not know which way it will go, but I guess the easy bet is that Trump gets more mercurial. Rather than Kelly makes the West Wing work like a well oiled machine.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@SFAW: Thanks. I’ve been lurking the last few years and must have missed that.
ARBG:
Oh please. Cut the shit, you sanctimonious little hypocrite. You’re a worthless, fatuous asshole who runs his mouth and contributes nearly nothing of value here. You don’t argue in good faith; you don’t give a damn about the people being hurt by this decision. You’ve made that abundantly clear by using them as props in your trolling. I stand by what I said.
bemused
@catclub:
He’s losing all his pacifiers, waah!
I read something about his body guard and wife getting some hefty returns on their dubious business schemes that have the attention of investigators and speculation that he could deal with twenty years of info on Trump. I have no idea if there is anything to that but I like the sound of it.
Jeffro
PBO’s statement on DACA just went up on FB…
SFAW
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Not surprised. I think it was commenting under another name — don’t recall which — until we morons refused to recognize its RBG wisdom, and shortly thereafter started with the ARBG thing. I think ARBG appeared before Fat Nino kicked the bucket, because its arguments re: RBG would have been immediately been disproved.
I agree with your “Oh, please … ” paragraph, in case it wasn’t blindingly obvious. You’re being too charitable — but other than that …
SFBayAreaGal
For some reason, I believe Amaranthine RBG is a disguise for one of our front pagers. Trolling to keep us on our toes.
Raoul
The New York Times has just gone to shit in some very upsetting ways. Other parts of the paper are still very good, but A-section political coverage is just garbage.
SFAW
@SFBayAreaGal:
I think Doug (if that’s whom you meant) has cut back significantly on his trolling, although I have zero evidence to back up that “think.” And ARBG doesn’t seem to be Doug’s style.
cwmoss
@Amaranthine RBG: Definitely a bit, then, or the equivalent.
cwmoss
@Amaranthine RBG: Definitely a bot, then, or the equivalent.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Wow, somebody sure is butthurt that Clinton’s book is going to sell millions of copies.
I’m sure the hotel staff in Jackson’s Hole will bring you some extra Kleenex to help mop up your tears. Or do you own your own cabin there?
Mnemosyne
@SFAW:
Also, ARGB is a misogynist who somehow only manages to have complaints about female politicians. Funny how that happens. ?
Oh, but he claims to love Liz Warren, who is every misogynist’s go-to
BlackWoman Friend.sherparick
@Villago Delenda Est: Sansa can feed them to the dogs still.
I read lots of things where Trump is “impotent” and has not done any real harm yet. I suppose if you are not part or have a relative in the immigrant community, particularly the community from Mexico and Central America who appear to primary targets. In this community, and the larger Hispanic Community as a whole, ICE is establishing a full blown police state. And what is happening is not deportations, which are down as the system locks up with 600,000 cases pending, but detentions, with possibly 1 million being detained in local jails and private facilities. Cui bono? Is always a good question.
TenguPhule
@SFAW:
This. I’ve been around for several of DougJ’s greatest hits.
This troll doesn’t even manage to hit any of his low notes.
Brachiator
Part of Obama’s response
There is an infinite gulf between the decency of Obama and Trump’s selfish cruelty.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
I do too. Shit.
Of course, she IS my senior Senator.
SFAW
@Brachiator:
I read his Facebook post.
I really miss him being President.
SFAW
@sherparick:
I don’t know about that — he seems to be fucking the country pretty effectively.
Mnemosyne
@SFAW:
A lot of normal people love Liz Warren. That’s why she’s the perfect cover for misogynists.
The tell is, I’m not a misogynist — I like Elizabeth Warren! after people point out that someone has viciously attacked every female Democrat in sight.
Captain C
@trollhattan: I think it was Next Movie.
Shalimar
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: The funny thing is, ARBG was acting relatively normal and contributing to a non-political thread about the California/Washington fires the other day. Almost like he/she considers themselves part of this community even though their only contribution generally is to troll people and be an asshole. I’m guessing he/she is a regular reader and only occasional asshole.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
I have sometimes mentioned Joan Vennochi — I sometimes refer to her as “The Always Clueless Joan Vennochi” — in this very blog. She’s an op-ed writer for the Boston Glob, theoretically left-of-center, although not by much. One of her schticks is trashing female politicians, especially strong ones. Because reasons. I have yet to see her write “Some of my best friends are …” but it would not surprise me if she did.
Mnemosyne
@Shalimar:
That’s the thread where he managed to slip in the information that he has a second home in Sonoma and vacations in Jackson’s Hole.
So, no, he’s always an asshole. It’s just a matter of how up-front he decides to be.
SFAW
@Shalimar:
“Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.”
To be more clear: Even full-time assholes can appear to be “regular,” given the proper conditions. But they’re still assholes.
Shalimar
@Mnemosyne: Maybe that was just a different type of trolling rather than actually acting human. I don’t remember the Sonoma/Jackson Hole post, so I must have gotten distracted by something and never got back to read the rest of the discussion.
cwmoss
@Amaranthine RBG: Thanks, Trolly McTrollerson!
NR
@Cacti:
If only you’d insulted them more, surely that wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why you didn’t push that strategy harder.
The failure is yours, I’m afraid.
SFAW
@NR:
Native Russian, still spouting the same bullshit. Amazingly enough, I didn’t miss it.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
I’m sure there were people in Germany who would have voted for the Weimar Republic to continue if they hadn’t been so rude when they pointed out how dangerous Hitler was.
Enjoy your fascism — you decided that you’d rather live under a fascist regime than have people tell you that Trump was dangerous.
NR
@Mnemosyne: Since I voted for Hillary, I’m not sure why you’re talking about me. You must be confused again.
As for the people who didn’t, though, by all means, keep insulting them. It worked so well winning them over to your side last year and I’m sure it will continue to work just as brilliantly in the future.
SFAW
@NR:
You might consider going over to Sarandon’s Twitter stream (or whatever it’s called). There were lots of Hillbots being mean to her after she was so thoughtful to say that she stands with the DREAMers. For some reason, people thought it might be more appropriate for her — and I’m paraphrasing here — to STFU. I’m sure if you go over there and tell all them mean Hillbots to leave Sarandon aloooooooone, and that they won’t win over the Bern-or-Busters by being so mean … well, they will collectively agree with the wisdom of your “thoughts,” collectively hang their heads in shame, and collectively ask to be beaten soundly about the head and shoulders until their sins are expiated.
Well, they’ll either do that, or tell you to go fuck yourself. But at least you will have provided a voice of pure reason to those sinners.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
No, NO, NO!!!! THAT is not the problem.
The problem is that a Hillbot such as you has the gall to even THINK of suggesting that the Bern-or-Bust-ers or “Doctor” Jill Stein — in other words, people who still cling to the idea that Hitlary would have been a skillion times worse than Deadbeat Donnie, the Lying Littledick — might still have their heads up their asses. And to suggest that is SO MUCH WORSE than ANYTHING the Maladministration has done so far. Because that would be shrill. Or uncivil. Or something.
NR
@SFAW: Clearly she, and everyone else who didn’t vote for Saint Hillary, just need to be insulted over and over again until they see the error of their ways. The beatings will continue until morale improves, and all that.
SFAW
@NR:
Clearly you — and everyone who is SOOOO upset that Bern-or-Bust-ers and “Doctor” Jill “I still think Hitlary would have been worse than Trump” Stein still seem to attract scorn and ridicule — need to get a fucking clue.
And, you poor delicate Native Russian flower, if you think THIS is beatings, then you really DO have no fucking clue.
NR
@SFAW: Well I suppose I have no choice but to bow to your superior wisdom. Your strategy was incredibly effective in the last election, as President Hillary Clinton can attest, so I don’t see how anyone could question it.
SFAW
@NR:
One can always hope that Sarandon sees the “error of her ways,” as you characterize it, but no one expects it.
On the other hand, when she makes a big deal of “standing with the DREAMers,” after her over-the-top Hillary hatred in 2016 helped get us to this point, then she deserves any shit piled on her. She doesn’t (and you don’t) like it? Too fucking bad. Actions have consequences — at least for those persons not in the Trump crime family — and the ridicule is a relatively benign consequence.
I’d hate to see you when things got REALLY hard.
NR
@SFAW: You’re acting like I’m offended by any of this “ridicule.” I’m not. The ravings of morons are amusing to me, not offensive.
I’m simply pointing out that insulting people isn’t the best way to win them over to your side. You’d think that this would be a pretty simple concept, but apparently it’s beyond some people.
SFAW
@NR:
You might consider branching out into other areas, Native Russian. Being a Vladi-One-Note loses its effectiveness after the second time.
You’re clearly too delicate to be ridiculed. Maybe “Romper Room” will return to TV, and you can be one of the widdle kiddies on it.
In the meantime, you let us know when “Doctor” Jill Stein or the various Bern-or-Bust-ers stop with the “Hitlary would be worse” bullshit. They stop THAT shit, then they might see a little less ridicule. I would suggest you not hold your breath waiting for them even to consider that Shitgibbon might be worse than Hillary ever could be.
J R in WV
@Amaranthine RBG:
So glad for your support of America’s dessert = PIE!!!
Thanks again to Major^4, Cleek, etc, etc. for your hard work making this work where I needed it to work!
SFAW
@NR:
No one wants to win you over, dumbshit. And the Bern-or-Bust-ers are just like the post-2000 Naderites — IF ONLY AL GORE HAD BEEN A BETTER CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!! IT WOULDN’T HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!! — with their heads up their asses. And Ralph Fucking Nader — just like Sarandon — tried the “He’ll make things so bad that there will be a generation-long wave of liberalism!”
You don’t like the ridicule? Too fucking bad. And your pronouncements about chasing away potential Dem voters are about as useful as the “Be nice to Republicans and maybe they’ll work with us/Dems” myopia. Go over to Red Stoat, moron, if people here upset you so much. I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms.
До свидания, Мудак
J R in WV
@Raoul:
The New York Times, which was able to pretend to be a great newspaper for many years, really gave it up in the late 1930s when it praised Adolf Hitler for being much more level headed than predicted. That passed, the WW II was won with much bloodshed, the NY Times praised the late leader of the Free World Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the brave Americans who conquered (with the help of the Red Army) the European Nazi scourge and the Japanese Imperial Navy and Army, with the help of Australia, Burma, India, etc.
There is a deep rot at the NY Times, they have praised evil doers in SE Asia, in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, and in the heartland of the United States. They are why the craven lies about the Clintons caught hold, them and the TV network FOX. Murdoch and the
owners* managers of the Times, the Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. family, have conspired together to kill democracy and freedom. Liberal Mass Media my rosy ass.* The other and major owner of the NY Times is Carlos Slim, silent partner and owner of the largest block of stock after I bothered to look it up.
NR
@SFAW:
I already said I don’t give a shit about it. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
But the fact that you care more about ridiculing people than actually winning elections tells me a lot.
SFAW
@NR:
And yet, here you are, whining about it.
No. You on the other hand, appear to have comprehension problems with both reading, and reality in general.
Yeah, yeah, whatever you think you gotta say to salve your bruised feelings. I don’t recall how to say “Mommy!!!” pa Pусский, but right now is about the time for you to call for her, maybe she can dry your angry tears.
Come back when you find a new schtick. Actually, if you get one, try it out on Red Stoat first — they LOOOOVE Vladi over there.
До свидания, Мудак
ETA: Oh, and the “not caring about winning elections” bullshit? You seem to be trying to convey that there’s an election coming up anytime soon. The election we’re talking about happened 10 months ago, moron.