OH FFS

Verrit. A digital vomit bag of tone deafness and masturbatory quotes.

Do not want.






124 replies
  1. 1
    rikyrah says:

    Phuck outta here ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

  2. 2
    Hunter Gathers says:

    Wilmer cannot fail. He can only be failed.

  3. 3
    ruemara says:

    So don’t go there. It’s not for you. Meanwhile, retweeting Wilmerite mocking of it, when they’re a huge part of the problem, that’s not tone deaf?

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    “Botched a layup against Donald Trump”

    Yeah, you’re really over the primaries๐Ÿ™„
    Look up voter suppression, Russian interference, and racism in the 2016 election and then get back to me.
    And what the hell is Verritt?

  5. 5
    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    Every group has idiots. Assemble 100 physicists, football players, barbers it barristers; 100 atheists, Buddhists, hedgehogs or hounds. Some will be jerks.

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    @ruemara: Making fun of girls is what boys do. Can a GG praising post be far behind.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    WTF is Verrrit? And why should I care?

    Hillary is coming to Atlanta this fall. Hope I can snag a ticket. I would love to breathe a few molecules of the same air she breathes. It would make me a better person.

  8. 8
    Another Scott says:

    Snipers gotta snipe-er, or something.

    Don’t give them clicks. Let them wallow in their butt-hurt.

    If/when they have something constructive to say, then engage with them.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    kd bart says:

    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท: But all that doesn’t fit into their simple narrative of “If only she’d gone to Madison & Traverse City one more time.”

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    germy says:

    A perfect summation of @verrit's short existence and why they are already doomed to fail: pic.twitter.com/peSxAV4low— Aleksei๐ŸŒน (@AlekseiTheWolf) September 4, 2017

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    danielx says:

    Now tell us how you really feel, Cole!

  12. 12
    Schlemazel says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    never heard of them before & I feel better for it. Once I have forgotten them I will be better still

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    John Cole says:

    @ruemara: who is making fun of girls? What did I miss?

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    Never heard of this website.

  15. 15
    ruemara says:

    @germy: And if an 18 year old furry with a socialist rose says it, it has to be true!

    @John Cole: *just looks at you*

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s a new media platform cooked up by Peter Daou and a few other former Hillary staffers. She gave them a shout out and it’s given Bernie Twitter a shit ton of agita. Still hasn’t stopped them from working on torpedoing primaries. Sadly. I wasn’t interested until they decided it was a hill a to die on.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Dead enders gonna find a cinderblock wall to crash into. I’ll spring for gas and a 6-pack.

    Heat broke a couple hours ago, Lord, we can breathe and open the windows.

  17. 17

    @John Cole: A BS bro posting about how gauche HRC and her supporters are, what would you call that?

    ETA: May be I misread it, but I thought you were quoting him approvingly.

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    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท: The only people I’ve met who insist it was a layup election are the same people who blame the DNC for their 100% loss rate in the elections they deign to contest.

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @germy:
    Aleksei is a Berniebro judging form their Twitter feed. Places all of the blame on Hitlery for losing. Makes no mention of Russian interference or voter suppression
    Unironically uses the hashtag #BernieCouldHaveWon. Verrit still looks like a terrible idea.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodingers_cat: When the post title is OH FFS, you probably should not assume that anything cited is cited approvingly. You know Cole supported HRC; why would you assume something changed?

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    CZanne says:

    Well… The verification code is fake. Verrit uses a 7 digit code. That one is 5 digits, and it’s a parody number: 420 and 69. So congratulations, this is why Verrit exists: an attempt to weed out fake news, social media disinformation and trolling, and falling for it proves why that’s necessary. Sorry, John.

    For those asking — the idea behind Verrit is that nothing posts without some human review for verification — basically, it’s the answer to Citation Needed for Twitter.

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @schrodingers_cat: germy brought them up so I figured I should inform. It’s related to John’s post.

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    jl says:

    ” A digital vomit bag of tone deafness and masturbatory quotes.

    Do not want. ”

    Huh? And I thought you leading up to announcing at as the new Balloon-Juice archives.

  25. 25
    SFAW says:

    So what is “verrrit”? Is it one “r” better than “verrit”? Like turning the amp to 11? And does that mean that the Bern-or-Busters who are even purer than the person Cole screen-capped (or whatever) will start verrrrittt, to show they really, really love Bernie and hate Hillary a skillion times more than they hate Trump?

    And what about … Naomi?

    ETA: And I think CZanne answered at least one of my questions.

  26. 26
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @CZanne: Maybe I am a bit dim this evening, but could you please explain what Verrit is trying to do and how it works again?

  27. 27
    cain says:

    Is it weird that our host doesn’t get too involved in the comments like other front pagers? I figure that h would just get pwned on occasion, after all we are a smart buch of people. :)

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    jl says:

    @SFAW: @Omnes Omnibus: I’m not sure either. As far as I can tell from the links, it is a Hillary Clinton and/or centrist Democrat attempt at twitter style forum that can filter out ‘fake news’ and toxic spews of hatred and misinformation and propaganda, and general-purpose trolling.

    I think it’s a good idea, but this attempt at it is not going well.

    Anyone who can figure out this damn social media stuff better than I can (which is most people), correct me if I’m wrong.

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    Starfish says:

    Verrit is some Peter Daou nonsense. And because Clinton said something positive about his new venture, everyone has been “the Clinton’s are behind this and trying to take over the Democratic Party.” Rolling your eyes and walking on by is the correct response to this.

    From that Gizmodo link, this sounds like Daou’s answer to “fake news,” but no one really asked him for one. And like conservatives believe Snopes is a vast liberal conspiracy, this thing endorsed by Clinton will be assumed to be a liberal conspiracy too.

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    SFAW says:

    @cain:

    after all we are a smart buch of people.

    You especially.

    On the other hand, why do you even care re: whether Cole comments?

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    WTF?! Cole wrote:

    A digital vomit bag of tone deafness and masturbatory quotes.

    Do not want.

    How you get from that to “I thought you were quoting him approvingly” is a complete mystery.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @ruemara:
    @schrodingers_cat:

    I think you guys both misread Cole. The “OH FFS” was directed at the butthurt Berniebro, and they were not quoted approvingly.

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    West of the Cascades says:

    What it means to be “hanfing,” precious?

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    SFAW says:

    @Starfish:

    everyone has been โ€œthe Clintonโ€™s are behind this and trying to take over the Democratic Party.โ€ Rolling your eyes and walking on by is the correct response to this.

    Hunh. I would have thought the correct response to that would be “GFY.” But that’s me.

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    hueyplong says:

    So this is the 24-36 hour period in which I’ve discovered the existence of verrrit and have not yet forgotten about it.

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    gene108 says:

    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท:

    Or Bernie trashing Hillary AND Democrats after he was mathematically eliminated, only grudgingly supporting her, and his supporters booing speakers at the DNC convention.

    I am tempted to let the Bernie supporters take over, and just sit back and bitch at them, as they try to rebuild the Democratic Party in their image.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @CZanne:

    So is the “420” white supremacist speak or pothead speak? Could be either one.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Starfish: Verrit is some Peter Daou nonsense.

    ’nuff said

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    Another Scott says:

    @CZanne: This is all too meta for my head-cold/sinus-infection/lung-infection self to digest at the moment.

    BI:

    Hillary Clinton promoted a new media platform Sunday that ostensibly collects and verifies facts. The website, called Verrit, advertises itself as a portal that “contextualizes noteworthy facts, stats, and quotes for politically engaged citizens.”

    The site’s mantra, touted at the top of every page, is “Media for the 65.8 million,” a reference to the popular-vote total Clinton received in the 2016 presidential election. Almost immediately after Clinton tweeted in support of the site on Sunday evening, it was hit with a denial-of-service attack, forcing the site offline for several hours.

    [ because of course… :-/ ]

    In an interview Monday, Verrit founder and CEO Peter Daou told Business Insider what he hopes to accomplish with the site.

    “We’re in a time now where you just no longer trust anything that youโ€™re reading,” Daou said. “Facts are now in question. Reality is now in question.”

    “So we want to do something where we rigorously vet these facts and we actually stand by our research and put an authentication code on every fact that we put up,” he added.

    Worth keeping an eye on, I guess, but do we really want to go down (farther) the road of political groups having their own approved media outlets? Maybe things are that far gone, but I don’t think it will help us reach Grandma Martha and Crazy Uncle Bob who only watch Fox News 24 hours a day… :-/

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @West of the Cascades:

    Hanging. (If you weren’t snarking.)

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Especially white guys!

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    Baud says:

    @Starfish:

    And like conservatives believe Snopes is a vast liberal conspiracy, this thing endorsed by Clinton will be assumed to be a liberal conspiracy too.

    It wasn’t only the right that was fooled by fake news last year.

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Going by raw numbers, yes.

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    @Mnemosyne: @Steeplejack (phone): @Omnes Omnibus: Point taken, nap needed. Good night guys. In my defense, this is day 4 of a bad cold. I have already taken my Nyquil cough syrup.

  45. 45
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    So did you make your escape to Sonoma while the rest of us plebes are stuck next to the fires? Gosh, I hope the ongoing forest fires that are burning people’s homes and forcing them to evacuate don’t put a damper on your vacation to Jackson’s Hole. Don’t worry, I’m sure the only working people you’ll be forced to talk to there are the service workers.

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    But they might be women! Or gasp! Non-white women!

  47. 47
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Another Scott:

    but do we really want to go down (farther) the road of political groups having their own approved media outlets?

    You know that it worked that way for years, right? How well has Cole’s attempt to find a reasonable conservative to FP here worked? We savage them – IMO, because people who play at being reasonable conservatives are either unknowning closet libertarians or cynical opportunists (Hi, E.D. Kain).

  48. 48
    efgoldman says:

    @gene108:

    I am tempted to let the Bernie supporters take over, and just sit back and bitch at them, as they try to rebuild the Democratic Party

    They have no interest in party/coalition building. They want the politics out of politics; voting or working on a real campaign is below them.
    There are also exponentially fewer of them than their intartoobz presence would indicate. They do not represent any significant number of gettable votes.

    Fuckem

  49. 49
    jl says:

    @Another Scott: Thanks for the link. I had to look up Daou to find out he is.

    Good idea, but probably Daou is not the best person to set it up.
    And (addressing another comment above, can’t find it now) I don’t think site where people have to parse through five and seven digit verification codes that magically make everything all trustworthy is gong to fly as a popular mass communication platform. ‘No royal road to geometry’ (or is it ‘algebra’) and all that sort of thing.

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    John Cole says:

    @cain: I keep my eye on you fuckers.

  51. 51
    kindness says:

    So come the 2020 elections and Bernie doesn’t run, what are some of these folk going to do? Jill Stein maybe?

  52. 52
    Starfish says:

    @Baud: How much nonsense do you see promoted by liberals v conservatives? I see some people who do not know that Daily Kos is not a news source and who cite the Palmer Report.

    I saw conservatives who were convinced that Clinton was hiding some serious illness and was going to die at any moment, people who are convinced that antifa is the most violent terrorist organization in the US and that one of the alt-Nazis was blinded forever and ever from pepper spray (he wasn’t), and on and on.

  53. 53
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: No one would really object if you went off and blew that goat you find so attractive.

  54. 54
    Baud says:

    @Starfish: If you’re talking about relative scale, it’s no contest. But it’s a substantial enough number of liberals that it helped cost us the election.

  55. 55
    ThresherK says:

    Well, my Berniebro acquaintances are too busy reposting Lew Rockwell fabrications about Lincoln and Lee as an example of.how “Confederacy Participation Trophy Statues” shouldn’t be removed*, so they’re not in on this latest DNC perfidy.

    *My Berniebro buddies seem to have forgotten to ask black people what they think.

  56. 56
    jl says:

    Bigshot is snooping around. Something with ‘punches in the neck’ rating would be popular. Would pay for itself.
    I give this Cole post Five Punches in the Neck. That’s a top rating, unless making it the worst will get more clicks.
    Depending blood lust of the masses, might have to go to ten punches more or less.

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    joel hanes says:

    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท:

    voter suppression, Russian interference, and racism

    Misogyny. You’re soaking in it.

  58. 58

    I have one Bernie deadender friend, and every time he posts something making fun of Hillary, I seriously consider ending the friendship.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @ruemara:

    So donโ€™t go there. Itโ€™s not for you. Meanwhile, retweeting Wilmerite mocking of it, when theyโ€™re a huge part of the problem, thatโ€™s not tone deaf?

    This.

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @joel hanes:
    Hope you’re talking about the Berniebro

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    joel hanes says:

    attempt to find a reasonable conservative to FP here worked?

    Obsidian Wings has carefully cultivated several commenters with conservative viewpoints — one of them, Sebastian, was a front pager for a while. I think I can safely say that he’s sickened by what’s become of the Republican Party he used to defend, and now he seldom makes an appearance. Another, McKinnonTX, is a lawyer in Texas who’s a pretty reasonable conservative — he and most of the rest of the ObiWi commentariat agree to disagree, and we learn a great deal from the discussions to which he contributes. Another is Marty, who emotes — if you don’t have a wingnut uncle to observe first-hand, you can learn a fair amount about how the conservative psyche is motivated from reading his comments. I usually find it best not to attempt to engage, because we disagree too greatly about what I take to be basic facts.

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    joel hanes says:

    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท:

    I’m talking about the 2016 primary and general election.
    You listed three important factors; I pointed out a fourth, which I sadly believe to have been the most important.

    ETA: I forget you’re young. “You’re soaking in it” was the tag line for a long-running series of commercials for Palmolive dishwashing liquid.

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    Kay says:

    Oh, Peter Daou. He might have gone crazy over this election. I’m somewhat relieved- I thought Clinton was promoting a site that sold something. I didn’t look because I don’t want to know.

    John says his sister is a political idiot but she’s not enough of an idiot to know who Peter Daou is and we all do :)

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    ๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท says:

    @joel hanes:
    Misogyny was definitely a factor. That Hillary-hate for 30 years.

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    Baud says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That would be an easy call for me.

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    MomSense says:

    Verrit is a pro Hillary/Dem coalition website. I think the Verrit “fact” at the top is bogus. The trolls, bros, and bots have been all over any of us who post or like Verrit.

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense: The purpose is noble, but is the service any good?

  68. 68
    MomSense says:

    @Kay:

    Clinton did tweet in support of Verrit and that’s why the trolls, bros, and bots went nuts.

  69. 69
    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    Lots of info about voter rights, DACA, EPA regulations, etc.

  70. 70
    Baud says:

    @MomSense: Cool. Then screw the haters. How do you use it?

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    You can follow on twitter. The website had to add extra security. About 45 minutes after Clinton endorsed the site, it was slammed with DDoS attack.

    It’s meant to be a fact checking and information site. Linked with indivisible so it you want facts for a call or fax to a congress critter you can find them there.

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense: Thanks! It’s kind of funny watching these young Bros participating in the same hate their fathers engaged in and pretending they are being hip and modern.

    Funny except for the Trump as president thing of course n

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Verrit

    ABOUT

    Verrit collects and contextualizes noteworthy facts, stats, and quotes for politically engaged citizens. Each โ€œverritโ€ is a verified item of information marked with a 7-digit identification code. To authenticate a verrit, enter the code in the search bar and match it to our database.

    Note: External links and site comments do not necessarily reflect Verritโ€™s views.

    CONTACT

    Send questions, tips, or feedback to: contact@verrit.com

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MomSense:

    CZanne seemed to think it’s a fake as well based on the incorrect serial number.

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    MomSense says:

    Verrit on DACA

    Follow the link for lots of info that can be easily shared on multiple social media platforms.

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    Kay says:

    @MomSense:

    Thanks for the explanation. I didn’t know what it was. I hate the “cool internet people” just on principle so if they hate it I’m fine with it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Baud:

    Itโ€™s kind of funny watching these young Bros participating in the same hate their fathers engaged in and pretending they are being hip and modern.

    That’s been their schtick since I was in college, at a minimum. Lookit me — I’m going to parrot racist and sexist memes that were worn out in the 1950s! I’m so hip and modern and cutting-edge!

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    MomSense says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    The quote John posted at the top is definitely a fake.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Mnemosyne: you went to college with Bill Maher?

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: I’m glad I’m not a cool internet person.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    SO many of them. It sucks being a Gen-Xer. I swear to God that we are the stupidest generation ever, and 90 percent of us don’t realize it.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    The NYTimes:

    His vaunted deal-making skills could also be put to the test in foreign policy as he decides how to respond to North Koreaโ€™s nuclear saber-rattling while separately seeking to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada and broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians. And he may alienate Americaโ€™s traditional European allies if he tries to scuttle Mr. Obamaโ€™s nuclear agreement with Iran by declaring Tehran out of compliance over their objections.

    Vaunted by no one except the NYTimes. Hope springs eternal over there. Any day now The Dealmaker cometh.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    The NYTimes:

    You forgot, “… is garbage.”

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    kc says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Surfbordt is a woman.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: I consider myself to be A Nerd.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think nerds are considered a good thing now.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    They sneer a lot. They used to be funny, at least. Now they just sneer and pile on some poor person periodically. I guess it’s Peter Daou’s turn.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Our own fault for not knowing how to code, I suppose.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    We have to kill the tax bill. It’ll suck so no great loss. I’m sure it’s horrible already.

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    ding7777 says:

    @MomSenseVerrrit’s 3 rrr ‘s are easy to miss

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Baud: Yup. It’s a call I made today. No regrets.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @kc: So what?

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    Another Scott says:

    @kc: She’s a pretty good troll, too, if this thread is typical of her handiwork. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SFAW says:

    @MomSense:

    The trolls, bros, and bots have been all over any of us who post or like Verrit.

    To borrow from efgoldman:

    Fuckem

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    CZanne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Okay. You’re on Twitter, someone posts something mind-numbingly false, you need a quick reply, or you want to know that they’re talking out their butt. Google can actually be bad for this, since it has no curation and we know that Google-bombing works (see: Santorum and Miserable Failure). What you want is a source of verified sources, that you can trust, with dates, citations and attributions. Better still if that source is a static, consistent document (unlike Wikipedia) that can be indexed with something like a Library of Congress number — you put the number in, it will always spit out the exact same piece of information. That’s what Verrit does.

    Each source is verified that a specific person said that specific thing on that specific date, in that specific publication. They’re assigning each piece of information a unique identifier (the 7 digit code, though I think they’re gonna need a bigger index) that can be consistently used for that specific verified card of information.

    In a lot of ways, it’s sort of a digital version of what competitive LD and Policy debaters have been using for most of the last 40 years (I would have killed for it in college LD) before the Gish Gallop took over Policy. (Which is inside baseball for debate nerds, but debaters used to keep massive indexes of reference cards.)

    Sorry it took me so long to get back — There has got to be a way to get notifications of conversations other than me scrolling, but I haven’t figured it out.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kay: Joe Scarborough of all people is telling them they’re cutting they’re own throats

    Joe ScarboroughVerified account @ JoeNBC
    1. Tax workers’ 401(k) contributions?
    2. Cut home mortgage deductions?
    3. Penalize voters in highest taxed states?

    This is an absolutely horrible plan, all to cut corporate taxes. Can Republicans really be this stupid?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @CZanne: There is a link for every factual claim? Like a footnote?

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    There is a link for every factual claim? Like a footnote?

    Yes. Check it out — verrit.com

    ETA: Also see #73 above.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Can Republicans really be this stupid?

    You bet they can.

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    james parente says:

    @Mnemosyne: What?! You are not familiar with my generation, The Boomers?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Felonius Monk: I am not sure that that site will help us. It seems more resentful about HRC’s treatment than interested in moving forward.

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    jl says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I think some of it is very useful. The links for backup references and backgrouind when you click through are very useful.

    Some problems are very fixable. Browse categories are overly broad for researching specific topics. And the search function is sucky, but then I think most of them are.

    But I agree that the big problem is you have to wade through a high quotient of pundit bloviating and opnionating posted as if were some kind of facty thing that is worth a lot. Not to me, but maybe is worth it for others.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It seems more resentful about HRCโ€™s treatment than interested in moving forward.

    I’m reserving judgement for the time being. I just learned about this, so I will watch for awhile.

    I do see your point, but I didn’t pick up a resentment vibe. More of trying to set the record straight. But that just might be my bias. I like the basic concept of verifiable facts, quotes, etc. We will see where it goes.

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    jl says:

    @Felonius Monk: First thing I learned about Daou and learned over and over and over again as I read the online bios (and all the top ones seem to be written by him or somebody in his little personal clique), is that he was an aide or adviosr to Hillary Clinton (yes, that’s right THAT Hillary Clinton!!) and a self proclaimed bigshot in the Democratic Party (Yes sir! That Democratic Party!!)..

    So, like I said above, maybe Daou is not the best person to be running it. Does he have a reputation as being a horndog on self-promotion? From what I read he is very big with HILLARY CLNTON and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!

    Though to be fair, seems like, if you read down far enough, he survived some harrowing stuff in Lebanese civil war as a youth.

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    CZanne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Pretty much, that’s the idea. I don’t know how complete the Verrit database is yet, but I’ve been sort of spot-checking it with (mostly) random numbers because indeed, I am that kind of geek, and I haven’t found misverified cards yet. The data on the card will link back to the stated source, on the stated day, and the data will be either a historical fact, or trustable data (mostly peer reviewed, so far; some polling data). I’m keeping my numbers on the low side of the 1 million line (a 7 digit identifier gives 1 shy of 10 million entries), but that’s just because I doubt they’re assigning numbers randomly. (They could be, but I haven’t seen anything above 1000000 yet.)

    On opinion is where it’s going to get ermmm… quirky. Let’s use the Stein quote on vaccines (which is not in the database, and shouldn’t be, because it’s disingenuous crap). That was her opinion, and she actually said the quote. Is her opinion valid? I’d say no, she’s a loon, and that quote only proves having an MD doesn’t mean one is qualified to practice medicine or politics. But the quote still exists, could in theory be verified, and my opinion of her opinion doesn’t change the fact that she said a stupid thing that can be disingenuously interpreted. And that can apply to others and other data. But having a trustable source of sources is a net good, overall.

    I’m not a huge fan of “proof-texting” (that’s what it’s called when a Bible person throws out quote after quote, without understanding the context or often the content of their single, memorized quote) but it’s how the game is played right now.

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    DLKaps says:

    This has been driving me crazy for awhile – what is up with the word “Wilmer” on this blog? I assume it’s some sort of mocking name for Bernie Sanders, but where does it come from?

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    kc says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Read the post I was responding to. Asshat.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @DLKaps:

    It’s not really mocking — it’s because there were trolls who had a Google alert set up to respond as soon as the B-word was used, and we were trying to have normal discussions without them derailing the entire thread every fucking time his name came up.

    I think it became “Wilmer” because someone was watching The Maltese Falcon and it sounded funny.

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    Gretchen says:

    @joel hanes: misogyny definitely a factor. My brother posted on Facebook tonight, ever wonder what happened to the two creepy girls in The Shining? Illustrated by a photo of Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. Aaarrgghh .

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    Gretchen says:

    @schrodingers_cat: careful. North Carolina pastor murdered his wife while on cold medicine: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....-his-wife/

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @james parente:

    I’m 55. Am I a boomer or an Xer?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): I think ’64 is considered the last year of Boom

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    fuckwit says:

    OK. This stupid fucking thing.

    Verrrit is a pun on “Reddit”. The big feature of Reddit was letting people vote on posts, thus providing some kind of crowdsourced filtering. This actually has worked pretty well; they tend towards funny/lightweight shit but their news is very heavily left-leaning, and, since facts have a well-known liberal bias, means it tends to stay towards the factual (and the funny, and ridiculously silly, etc).

    Now. Clinton has had a hard-on for the media and vowed that her post-presidential-run activities will focus on trying to fix the media and fake-news problem. This ain’t that fix, and, she outsourced it to a clown. But can’t disagree with her that the media and social media are big fucking problems.

    Here’s my take on this whole thing. I look around, and every new media invention has caused a flurry of political insanity, until people get used to it. The printing press gave Europe hundreds of years of brutal and senseless religious slaughter (Protestants vs Catholics). The radio and the loudspeaker gave us fascism and totalitarianism and WWII. TV gave us neoliberalism and corporate domination of the planet, and we’re not over that one yet. Cable news gave us Desert Storm and Triangulation. Radio deregulation (hate radio) gave us Newt Gingrich-ism. And social media gave us President Troll.

    Obama nailed this in a chlling and accurate way towards the end of his Presidency: you can’t have a democracy when there are “alternate facts”, when there’s no common agreement on what the facts are. Social media (FB, Twitter, in particular) combined with the earlier innovations like Cable news and hate radio, make this an untenable situation.

    Democracy by definition is people making decisions together, collaboratively. That can’t happen if those people are living in completely different realities.

    I don’t know what the answer is to this problem, but I’d expect something to appear on the horizon eventually.

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    CZanne says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): by cohort, you’re a transitional, called Jones. Younger than the core Boomers, or a late younger/youngest sib of Boomers, likely the last of a large family or the firstborn of young, War baby/very early Boomer parents, or a delayed child of older Silents. Too young for any of the unrest of the mid-late 60’s, but conceived/born before the first potential marker for X was available. (That first marker is access to contraceptive pills, so Premature X starts in late 63, gets going in 64-65ish.) As a 62, you would have been 13 when the Atari was released, so right in the target, and video games rapidly replaced pinball in your teens, but you were highly unlikely to have a home computer in your early teens. Your schools were more integrated than not, but your schools were funded, unlike most Xers, whose school budgets got gutted when they were in those schools.

    I like using the transitional cohorts with the generational frame; it’s more complete, and breaks the cohorts to 10-12 year chunks instead of 20-25.

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    Montanareddog says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): I am the same age. I like to think of myself as being on the cusp; so, we’re “cuspers”

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    @CZanne: Even if was a marketing gimmick, I did think the Generation Jones stuff resonated pretty well with a lot of my experiences (I’m 53, first-born of Silents).

    IIRC, one key aspect is that we were young enough to have been raised on the promises of the Great Society — and then had them taken away when we came of age. E.g. in junior high there were funding for various arts-related stuff in stuff — all of which got axed when I hit high school in the aftermath of Prop. 13; we were lead to believe that everybody would be able to get a good job — and then the ’82 recession hit (the worst recession since the Great Depression).

    A bit different than Gen Xers who came of age after their huge expectations had been taken away. Similar cynicism about being left to fend for ourselves, but with a bit rawer sense of being let down.

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    Applejinx says:

    @Sister Golden Bear: Yeah, us Xers a bit younger (born in 1968 here: on BJ I’m a ‘kids these days’) didn’t really get baited with the promises like those a few years older. Our life experience was and remains unbroken cynicism, plus some black humor.

    It’s impossible not to see Verrit in that light. It’s a self-own: the dirtbag left I hang with now (with whom I’m waaaayy older, they trend a lot younger than me) see it as entirely a Clintonian blame/justification game, and also an indication she intends to run again, which horrifies them.

    They like to think my senator from Vermont will run again, which horrifies me. Either one is a recipe for losing again: it’s no longer relevant whether my Senator would’ve won by stealing populist votes from Trump (or, if you like, matching lie with lie and promising equally much to save people’s jobs and lives?). Evidence suggests he would have matched hype with hype, and we’ll never know if it would have worked (to win: much less, become practical policy).

    I will not vote for Clinton again. I assume you will not vote for my Senator again (in fact I might end up volunteering a lot just to prevent out-of-staters from ratfucking him). It’s very simple, we need new people, that’s hardly controversial. I’ll be really really disappointed in the guy if he tries to become President which I doubt: I now think, thanks to Verrit and such, that Clinton does in fact intend to try to become President again, even at the cost of ruining a possible Dem wave election we desperately need.

    Cheers, and I’ve been not using my Senator’s name because I know you guys are all funny that way. Funny like a murderous catamite funny ;P whatever, you is what you is.

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    kd bart says:

    @Baud: it’s Socialism as a hip lifestyle choice rather than a political cause.

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    geg6 says:

    @Applejinx:

    You are insane. She’s not running again. Jesus fucking Christ.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @DLKaps, @Mnemosyne:

    Late back to this thread, but, hey, somebody was wrong on the Internet.

    As you surmised, “Wilmer” is a Balloon Juice nickname for Bernie Sanders. Late last year, some Sandernista trolls apparently set alerts to remind them to come here if their sainted leader was mentioned, so the Wilmer protocol was offered as a stealth measure. It has outlived its usefulness, since any interested trolls have long since added โ€œWilmerโ€ to their alert list. But it continues as a sort of โ€œcool kids of Balloon Juiceโ€ inside reference.

    And, no, it has nothing to do with Wilmer in The Maltese Falcon. Here is the origin of Wilmer (credit to Jim, Foolish Literalist, December 16, 2016).

    ETA: I think the Maltese Falcon angle actually originated with one of the trolls screeching about how it was homophobic to use “Wilmer” as the nickname.

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    sherparick says:

    @๐ŸŒŽ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ๐Ÿ—ณ ๐ŸŒท: You forgot NY Times and WaPo repeating Breitbart memes and “Oh Her Emails” while ignoring Trump’s half century of corruption and sleaze. The Bernie Bros, and it is almost always a Bro, seem so much fired up about going after Hillary and other Democrats then they do about the Republicans and Trump.

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    kd bart says:

    @sherparick: I don’t know which suffers greater from Clinton Derangement Syndrome:

    The Right, The Left or The New York Times?

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    Aurona says:

    It’s funny. I feel like a woke up and dad is in one of his bitchy moods and you don’t know what you did wrong. I have no idea why you are ripping so heavily but for whatever reason, you picked this clip-art to die on. Okay. I’m almost done here, been visiting for about 15 years (comment occasionally) but not sure I need to read that particular abuse any more. I had liked this mostly-white-not-by-my-choosing blog, and followed the pets from everyone, as I have pups, too.
    If you bitch about this, what in the world are you going to bitch about when ICE comes into the colleges and schools to rip children out and deport them? I’m obviously not with you. I’m with them. Bitching about the Daous seems an incredible valueless venture.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Baud:

    You are a cool internet person just from your Balloon-juice.com activity!

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