These traitorous cocksuckers:
A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.
The associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin. He predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would highlight Mr. Trump’s savvy negotiating skills and be a political boon to his candidacy.
“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”
I know you all talked about this before, but I just got home, and all I want to know is are any of these motherfuckers ever going to be perp walked and sent to fucking jai?
Manyakitty
I certainly fucking hope so. That long-awaited perp walk needs to be about 50 people long.
Major Major Major Major
SOMEBODY here, in an Adam or Cheryl thread some time back, was talking about how Sater is self-immolating to bring down trump. I swear I wasn’t hallucinating this.
Mart
There will be pardons the likes of which the world has never seen before… Believe me. Believe me.
Roger Moore
@Manyakitty:
That’s leaving out about 292 accomplices in Congress.
cokane
no
Cheryl Rofer
@Major Major Major Major: Must have been Adam. I haven’t drawn conclusions yet. Sater may be helping the FBI, as he was years ago. But then who is leaking all that juicy information?
In answer to Cole’s question, I have no idea when or if we will see the perp walk. And btw, North Korea sent a missile over Japan today. Very provocative. Evidently Tillerson’s pat on the head last week and Pence’s look of resolve across the DMZ did not achieve their goals.
Gvg
Why would any American think building something in Russia would HELP win the Presidency?
Sater sounds stupider than Trump. And what kind of fool boasts of this.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Gvg: Putin would presumably benefit financially in the deal and so would be inclined to use the power of the Russian state to aid Trump. Not that far fetched honestly.
ETA: Sater never dreamed this email would see the light of day
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
Nope.
Roger Moore
@Gvg:
Because they’re counting on Russian help. SATSQ.
The Moar You Know
Also voting no. We just don’t hold the rich and powerful accountable for their crimes in this country.
Major Major Major Major
Come on, guys, you can be perp walked and sent to jail AND then released and not charged. Stop being so pessimistic.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I gather there is no specific statute that would outlaw collusion, unless they (we, the People, represented by Meuller) can demonstrate that they actively sought “something of value” from a foreign power? Junior obviously did this, though it might be hard to get past a jury– by which I mean it would be easy to bamboozle jurors, not that the case isn’t clear. Trump is, to my eyes, quite obviously guilty of obstruction of justice, but that only matters if enough Republicans want it to. Tax evasion? criminal fraud? money laundering? conspiracy?
FWIW, I don’t for a moment believe Fredo, Jared and the other goon met with that Russian lawyer without the Beast knowing about it, but he famously doesn’t email, so that might be hard to prove
Kirk
Until out of office, whether by losing an election or impeachment or (goo help us) ending his second term and no longer eligible, Trump will not be perp walked.
And depending on the mechanism and shenanigans at the time there’s no guarantee at impeachment (Ford, Nixon).
Baud
If only those emails were on Hillary’s servers….
Manyakitty
@Roger Moore: Agreed. I still think 90%+ of the Republicans in D.C. need to get up close and personal with a firing squad.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Kirk:
I don’t like to do doom and gloom but: you’re also assuming the GOP Congress wouldn’t try to pass an amendment to repeal the 22nd amendment so Trump can run for a third term. I don’t think that would pass though.
Another Scott
Reuters: DPRK fires missile over Japan:
( Insert attempted snark here. )
(sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
Nelle
If they did, Obama could run again. Not that he would if he has an ounce of sanity.
I was talking to a friend who was state budget director before Brownback came and wrecked the place. I asked why he wouldn’t run for governor next (against Kobach). Then I laughed and said, “It would be cleaning up after an elephant parade, wouldn’t it?”
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Manyakitty:
Seconded.
Dave
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: oh come on. “I don’t like to do doom or gloom” followed by hypothesizing an amendment that allows Trump to serve a third term. That’s pretty much the definition of silly and pointless doom and gloom.
schrodingers_cat
So fucking tired of this negativity all the damn time. Every thread is a variation of let’s do some navel gazing about how WASF.
ETA: I wonder whether Rs did the same when Obama won the Presidency and Dems had both the House and Senate at the beginning of Obama’s first. Hey guys WASF let’s just give up and count the ways WASF.
Lavocat
Are you high?
jl
@Major Major Major Major:
Come on, guys, you can be perp walked and sent to jail AND then
released and not chargedbe preemptively pardoned for whatever it is, something something, fill in the blank, that you need to be pardoned for. Stop being so pessimistic.Ella in New Mexico
@Cheryl Rofer: The story a week or so back that in which Sater stated he expects to be “big news” in the next 30 days, plus another saying he told someone that he and Trump were definitely gonna spend time in prison was interesting. Combine that with his history of cooperation with the FBI and things might get kinda spicy pretty soon…
SiubhanDuinne
@Kirk:
If Trump manages to get a second term, I predict the entire concept of “no longer eligible” will be part of the Constitutional rubble he creates. The only thing we would have going for us is his age and health.
burnspbesq
I can make an argument for Mueller to snatch Sater on a material-witness warrant and hold him until he’s done getting information out of him. Dude has quite a bullseye on his back.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: People are just practicing for when the Dems control everything again and raise the tax rate to 50% and not 51 1/2%, thus proving they are in the pocket of Wall Street and need to be taught a lesson.
Major Major Major Major
@jl: Still – perp-walked and sent to jail!
@Dave: Especially since Trump will be, you know. Dead. (ETA: actuarially speaking)
jharp
“These traitorous cocksuckers:”
Nothing wrong with being a cocksucker.
Not my thing but in my life I’ve been very fond of many cocksuckers.
Thus I don’t use the term in a derogatory manner any more.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I am sure many of the WASF brigade was complaining about dronez and lionizing Snowden and GG during the Obama years.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: He has to take the damn golf cart everywhere not even a year since the election, he can barely walk, but he is going to serve a third term.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dave:
I said it was unlikely to pass. If the GOP thought they could get away with it they would. I don’t think they can.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: I wasn’t here for the public option wars.
I remember when Obama absolutely wanted to gut Social Security.
MJS
@schrodingers_cat: Seconded. If this blog had been around in Nixon’s time, everyone would be saying, in January. 1973, “Forget it. It’s over. Nixon will declare martial law and rule forever.” It took over two years, from break-in to resignation. It’s been how many months since Mueller was appointed?
Baud
I’m more worried about Trump’s fourth term.
Dave
@Major Major Major Major: Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s the type to last forever. Not in a healthy lively 92 year old way but in the dementia zero quality of live but just won’t die manner. Either way Goku is a disaster/violence fetishist and refuses to own it; it’s grating now.
Lapassionara
@schrodingers_cat: Then, let’s take my perspective, which is that of a person whose earliest memory was of the end of WWII, and the holocaust. We are living in an historic era, in which the fate of the nation hangs in the balance. Every day we survive to fight again is a win. Take courage, think of what you can do to make a difference, and do it.
Major Major Major Major
@MJS:
Well I don’t know about everyone. Some of us would probably be wondering how the blog works.
Shana
@Major Major Major Major: You’re right, I think. I saw something last week where Sater had said both he and Trump would end up in prison. Not sure where it was now though.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Or too high to care.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dave: Oh for fuck’s sake. Here, once again:
My point was, some in the GOP, the far right, Trump, and his demented base would love to repeal the 22nd amendment so Trump could Make America Great Again forever. I don’t think it will actually happen. I wasn’t 100% serious when I said it.
Shana
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: They may try, but no way in hell enough states would pass it to become effective in time.
MJS
@Major Major Major Major: It would have been the 4th channel on everyone’s TV. You would used rabbit ears and a manual typewriter to comment.
Aleta
Their ilk operates by tying the source of their problem up in court (or worse) until hell’s climate changes. So they’ll try to make this stretch way past exhaustion and indifference.
evap
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Congress can’t pass an amendment to the constitution, it takes 2/3rds of the states to ratify one. And that ain’t going to happen.
Dave
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Fine. The reason you receive this reaction though is that most things you post are either we are screwed and here’s an incredibly unlikely scenario of how or lurid descriptions of violence that come off as longing. And hey I’m not really about thought crime and I’m mostly a lurker but the unspoken desire for violence that is in many of your posts is a red flag for me. There are usually two groups that view violence that way. Those that haven’t experienced it and so romanticize it to a degree or the smaller group that has and loves it…. And yes this is overly simple thats why I included the slightly weasely usually.
Steve in the ATL
Are you guys familiar with the term “brass verdict”?
Steve in the ATL
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
This is secret to posting on B-J!
schrodingers_cat
@Lapassionara: Yes, your perspective is better. We fight everyday. They don’t get to win by default.
schrodingers_cat
@Steve in the ATL: No enlighten us.
Peale
@schrodingers_cat: by this time in Obama’s administration, republicans had convinced themselves that nothing was their fault and that they had nothing to apologize for. We had won in Iraq and everything after that was Obama giving away our victory to his radical Muslim friends during his apology tour. The financial crisis was the fault of banks being forced to lend to black people by Barney Frank and Carter ending redlining and had nothing to do with GOP regulators or white republicans. Hence the tea party started as a protest by Rick Santorelli when rumors started that Obama was looking for ways to bail out homewners, which was just another giveaway to black people. They spent their time coming up with ways to discredit Democrats, unlike Democrats who are still forcing themselves to find ways to attack each other daily.
Steve in the ATL
@schrodingers_cat: when the court system fails, sometimes street justice steps in to correct it–a guilty party getting shot and killed after acquittal. “Brass” refers to the brass casing of a bullet.
jl
@Baud:
” Or too high to care. ”
I think that is a promising approach for the future Baud administration after the shit hits the fan.
Ajabu
@Steve in the ATL:
Yes, I know it well.
No wonder I recently relocated back to the ATL. To be around like minded folks…
And apparent Michael Connelly fans.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dave: Well I can tell you right now I don’t romanticize violence and I’ve never been in a fight in my life. As for the unlikely scenarios of how we’re screwed I guess I may not have the best of political instincts or predictive abilities. I don’t think most of my posts are about violence or doom and gloom. Usually it’s just me expressing contempt for Trumpworld, snarking, or other less weighty stuff.
I guess my longing for justice in a worst case scenario can be mistaken for a desire for violence for its own sake.
jl
Also an ad on this here almost top 10,000 blog led me to some site that had the most disliked food of each of all 50, of these, our great, United States.
Said that tofu was the most disliked food in West By God Virginny.
I for one would like Cole to address that issue.
Quinerly
Size matters to Trump. He wasn’t pleased with the size and optics of the Phoenix rally last week. He’s punishing an aid for it: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-08-28/trump-is-said-to-punish-longtime-aide-after-angry-phoenix-speech
Gotta love these leaks.
Dave
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: To be fair I probably am engaging in some confirmation bias and I suspect that when I’ve have seen you doing that it’s been in threads where Tengphule is active. They tend to do that and I think that increases the likelihood that you do it. It’s also entirely possible that their posting is so filled with violence and doom that they color my impression of threads that they’ve participated in and it doesn’t change your posts a all but just my perception of them.
rikyrah
Mueller Looks at Trump Role In Hiding Purpose of Don Jr. Meeting
August 28, 2017 at 6:48 pm EDT
Federal investigators working for special counsel Robert Mueller are keenly focused on President Trump’s role in crafting a response to a published article about a meeting between Russians and his son Donald Jr., three sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.
The sources told NBC News that prosecutors want to know what Trump knew about the meeting and whether he sought to conceal its purpose.
At the time, the White House confirmed that Trump had ‘weighed in’ as the response to the New York Times report was drafted aboard Air Force One on July 8 as the president returned to the U.S. from Germany. the Washington Post reported that Trump had ‘dictated’ the response.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-team-asking-if-trump-tried-hide-purpose-trump-tower-n796746
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dave:
I have to admit in the past I was more prone to talking like that during the healthcare crap last month. I viscerally hated that Trump and Congressional R’s were trying to blowup healthcare for practically everyone. I considered it then and I still do, to amount to attempted mass murder. In a weird way, wishing harm on them made me feel better when I felt powerless. That some kind of justice would prevail.
rikyrah
YvonneWingettSanchezVerified account @yvonnewingett
NEW Arpaio’s team will put out statement asking media to stop saying he is racist; he’s been distressed by mischaracterization of reports
2:07 PM – 28 Aug 2017
yeah…this….
Sherrilyn Ifill ✔ @Sifill_LDF
What is this thing w/enthusiastically engaging in racial discrimination, but getting your feelings hurt when you’re called a racist?
rikyrah
uh huh
uh huh
Qasim Rashid, Esq.
✔
@MuslimIQ
3 different Houston mosques & 100+ members of @MuslimYouthUSA are out & serving Houstonians while Joel Osteen’s $50M megachurch sits closed.
Gravenstone
I’ve moved well past wanting them imprisoned. Dancing from the gallows pole – every whoreson of them. Treason demands nothing less.
rikyrah
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1
GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis is pushing an amendment to stop funding Mueller’s probe 6 months after the amendment passes.
rikyrah
Don Santana @donmsantana
Ava DuVernay on significance of August 28 in black history
https://twitter.com/donmsantana/status/775339653226520576
Gin & Tonic
@rikyrah: Maybe if enough people say it, “Joe Arpaio, racist” can be a trending term, like George Tierney of Greenville, South Carolina.
rikyrah
Talking Points MemoVerified account @TPM
Leaked chats show white nationalists planned use of brutal force in Charlottesville http://bit.ly/2vDsQKh
jl
@rikyrah:
” NEW Arpaio’s team will put out statement asking media to stop saying he is racist; he’s been distressed by mischaracterization of reports ”
OTOH, nice to know that if Arpaio is not a racist, then he is willing to send out goon squads to round up random groups of people and throw them into concentration camps, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, national origin, political affiliation, or anything else.
So maybe Arpaio should be called something else. Maybe he won’t mind ‘fascist’ so much.
Arpaio himself called his holding centers concentration camps, so he shouldn’t be angry about anyone mentioning that.
rikyrah
TheAverageBlackMan™ @TheAvgBlackMan
Does it surprise me Joel Olsteen won’t help displaced flood victims??
NO…he’s a Trump supporter
rikyrah
uh huh
The Secretary of Exxon at work
Tillerson Moves to Cut Special Envoys including Representative for Climate Change
August 28, 2017 at 4:01 pm EDT
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson “is moving to eliminate or downgrade special envoy positions at the State Department, including the representative for climate change, a step that is sure to ignite vociferous opposition from some members of Congress,” CNN reports.
In a letter obtained by CNN and written to Senator Bob Corker, the Tennessee Republican who heads the foreign relations committee, Tillerson said he would end or transfer as many as three dozen special envoy positions.
“I believe that the Department will be able to better execute its mission by integrating certain envoys and special representative offices within the regional and functional bureaus,” Tillerson wrote Corker, “and eliminating those that have accomplished or outlived their original purpose.”
Tillerson aide: Constitution, not Trump, ‘speaks for the country’
Special envoys for Syria, Sudan and South Sudan, and the Arctic will be eliminated.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/tillerson-state-dept-envoys/index.html
rikyrah
What’s most offensive about Dolt45?
It’s his stupidity. That rubs me the wrong way.
The stupidity offends me more, because we know ANYONE non-White who was this stupid would be clowned off the global stage.
The curve for unqualified White Men is REAL
rikyrah
David CataneseVerified account @davecatanese
Trump on why he pardoned Arpaio Friday night during #Harvey “I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they were normally.”
1:42 PM – 28 Aug 2017
danielx
@Gin & Tonic:
Ah, memories….good times.
@rikyrah:
There are so many things; it’s difficult to pick just one.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Guffaw. The humble public servant who just wants to retire with dignity has a “team”. To do what? He doesn’t even have a job. How many people are on this team and how does he pay them? With the online solicitations he’s making?
His fans deserve to get robbed.
rikyrah
Facial Merkin @facialmerkin
Asked Joel Osteen why he won’t open his megachurch to Harvey victims he blocked me. Church reaps $77M tax free annually #HoustonStrong
rikyrah
But, they can’t sign Kaep.
Uh huh
Uh huh
BlackSportsOnlineVerified account @BSO
Bills Sign QB Keith Wenning Who Has Never Played in NFL & Last Threw a Pass in College in 2013 http://bit.ly/2vl1jSG
https://twitter.com/BSO/status/902232405733453825
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah:
As a white person I agree with you 100%.
Emperor of ice cream
@Peale: So much this. We don’t do opposition nearly as effectively despite the fact that all we have to do is tell the truth. But if a tree falls in the forest and there is no media to report it…
Kay
Arpaio thought his reputation would IMPROVE when Trump pardoned him and the whole country found out about his absolutely appalling career. He thought it would get BETTER, like a Trump pardon makes his offenses disappear.
You still did all those things, moron, and now everyone in the country knows about them. The only thing that’s changed is you aren’t going to do time- you can still be loathed and despised and your name will always mean “racist”.
That’s what I love most about these people. They say they’re “in your face” assholes who enjoy being horrible but it isn’t true. They whine CONSTANTLY that they have horrible reputations and people say mean things about them.
They want to be absolute assholes and ALSO be loved. It’s not enough that Arpaio is a sadist who actually killed people who were in his custody- we’re supposed to love him for it.
sukabi
@Baud: now Baud, if they were on Hillary’s servers we wouldn’t know about them…if they were on the DNCs servers Assange would have released them if they only implicated Hillary.
Matt McIrvin
@Emperor of ice cream: Having to tell the truth is a handicap. It’s why we attack each other–we can’t just pretend everyone is always on the same side, and we’re worried about everyone being honest. Lies usually beat truth in a head-to-head fight, because they can be far more appealing and easy to understand. Lies always tell you who the bad guy is.
The only advantage truth gives us is that we’re less often bitten by reality. But that’s an advantage that only matters after you win. We can’t win until lie-based government causes massive catastrophe, with huge collateral costs.
Vhh
@Gin & Tonic: remember Santorum? Put it up on enough sites and it becomes a meme as in
Joe the Racist Arpaio.
mskitty
Prob Trump expected Arpaio’s pardon to slide under the Harvey news – but instead, zillions more people were online looking for hurricane news or to connect with people in harm’s way and the biggest piece of news up – un-missable – was The Pardon. Probably MORE people saw it because it came down of Harvey’s Friday night.