Nothin’ Falls as Hard as a Prisoner’s Tears

Christopher Cantwell, aka the Crying Nazi, has turned himself in and is in jail:

Christopher Cantwell, a white-supremacist who gained notoriety for making violent statements about counterprotesters in a Vice documentary on Charlottesville, has surrendered to Lynchburg, Virginia, police. University of Virginia police said Tuesday that warrants had been obtained for Cantwell’s arrest on two counts of the illegal use of tear gas or other gases and one count of malicious bodily injury with a “caustic substance,” explosive, or fire. The charges stem from a rally held on the University of Virginia campus the night before the Aug. 12 Charlottesville protest, where a woman was killed and several others injured. Police say Cantwell used pepper spray against a counterprotester, a charge Cantwell has admitted to but claims he did in self-defense.

If you haven’t heard of Cantwell before, he’s a fascist prick with very serious mental health and substance abuse issues who was the “star” of the Vice documentary that made the rounds last week:

He later, upon hearing he would be charged criminally for his brutish and violent behavior, posted this teary video:

The man is mentally unwell, and I hope he is incarcerated and given a chance to seek help. The crying is a byproduct of those issues and his substance abuse- he’s pretty clearly another weepy drunk like John Boehner and so many others.






104 replies
  1. 1
    AnonPhenom says:

    The man is mentally unwell

    Hence, Nazi.

  2. 2
    rikyrah says:

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    I’m waiting for the Charlottesville Police to make arrests for the brutal attack on DeAndre Harris. To my knowledge, no one has been arrested as yet.

  4. 4
    rikyrah says:

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    rikyrah says:

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    Speaking of Nazis…(The tweet has now been deleted).

  7. 7

    Dunno if somebody has shared this yet, but the WaPo has a story about that sad sack civil war uniform kid we were all making fun of getting expelled from college. He sounds like a total idiot, big surprise, but it has this really weird bit of detail:

    A relative who didn’t want to be named confirmed to The Post that Armentrout had been expelled, although the school said it couldn’t comment on individual students.

    “Pensacola Christian College recognizes the dignity and value of all people and we respect the history of America,” wrote a spokeswoman for the school — which publishes curriculum used by fundamentalist Christian families and forbids female students from wearing pants.

    When you’ve lost the pants-banners…

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    rikyrah says:

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    This weird meme that nobody cared about Confederate statues before Trump shows how little mind people pay to black folks’ opinions
    6:23 AM – 23 Aug 2017

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    Aimai says:

    @rikyrah: thank you for posting this.

  10. 10
    Dave says:

    Tears of a Clown (apologies to Smokey)

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    rikyrah says:

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    # of US troops killed due to Navy navigation errors: 18

    # of troops killed in Afghanistan: 11
    4:45 AM – 24 Aug 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    Former DNI worries about Trump’s fitness, access to nuclear codes
    08/23/17 02:05 PM—UPDATED 08/23/17 02:09 PM
    By Steve Benen

    A couple of weeks ago, former CIA Director John Brennan, responding to Donald Trump’s reaction to Charlottesville, could hardly contain his frustrations. The Republican president, Brennan said, through “his words and his actions,” is “putting our national security and our collective futures at grave risk.”

    The former CIA director added that Trump is poised to do “lasting harm to American society and to our standing in the world.”

    As it happens, Brennan isn’t the only former intelligence chief thinking along these lines. As the Washington Post noted, James Clapper, the Obama administration’s Director of National Intelligence, was equally incensed after watching Trump’s remarks last night in Phoenix.

    James R. Clapper Jr., former national intelligence director, questioned President Trump’s fitness for office following his freewheeling speech in Phoenix on Tuesday night, which Clapper labeled “downright scary and disturbing.”

    “I really question his ability to be – his fitness to be – in this office,” Clapper told CNN’s Don Lemon early Wednesday morning. “I also am beginning to wonder about his motivation for it – maybe he is looking for a way out.”

  13. 13
    rikyrah says:

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Twitler’s been on a tear this morning.

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    Bullshit he’s mentally unwell. No proof of that at all.

    He’s a spoiled Nazi motherfucking piece of shit who participated in a murder and deserves nothing more than the maximum amount of jail time he can possibly be given.

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    rikyrah says:

    ‘Consumed’ with Russia scandal, Trump keeps clashing with Republicans
    08/24/17 08:00 AM—UPDATED 08/24/17 09:45 AM
    By Steve Benen

    A Republican senator this week told a New York Times reporter that Donald Trump is “consumed” with the Russia scandal. And given the latest revelations, there’s every reason to believe the president’s preoccupation has affected his judgment.

    Following up on yesterday’s coverage, we now know Trump has clashed with Attorney General Jeff Sessions because the president expected the nation’s chief law-enforcement official to shield the White House from the investigation into the Russia scandal. Trump has clashed with former FBI Director James Comey – whom Trump ultimately fired – because the president wanted Comey to give him a hand with the same probe. He clashed with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell because the president expected the senator to “protect him” from committee investigations.

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    rikyrah says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Bullshit he’s mentally unwell. No proof of that at all.

    He’s a White Domestic Terrorist. When they can’t use the ‘LONE WOLF’ defense…
    Mental illness is second on the list.

    He’s a spoiled Nazi motherfucking piece of shit who participated in a murder and deserves nothing more than the maximum amount of jail time he can possibly be given.

    TELL IT!!
    TELL IT!!!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I’m waiting for the Charlottesville Police to make arrests for the brutal attack on DeAndre Harris. To my knowledge, no one has been arrested as yet.

    Uh huh
    Uh huh

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    hueyplong says:

    Mentally unwell.

    Thug.

    We’re pretty good at guessing who gets called what.

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    tobie says:

    @rikyrah:

    Angela Merkel says she understands its support, but “America first” attitude will only hurt the U.S. in the end http://abcn.ws/2vfNIbf

    She’s correct but protectionism is the mantra of the left and the right at the moment. I’ll never forget the chants of “No TPP” at the Democratic convention.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I was going to post about it, but looking at his Twitter feed was sapping my will to live. Glad to see him ripping into McConnell and Ryan again. I’m sure that pair of douchebags love to hear a raving ignoramus tell them how to do their jobs. I mean, they suck at their jobs, but jeez! I suck at playing the piano, but I play more capably than a common garden slug and would thus resent criticism from that quarter.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Sorry, but my opinion is that if Cantwell wants to “do the right thing”, somebody should give him a decent bottle of whiskey with a good glass, a pistol with a single round and leave him in a locked room with an unstoppable vid of photos from the lives of Dylan Roof’s victims for about four hours.

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    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman) says:

    As an alcoholic with mental health issues, let me post my $0.02.

    Neither one is an excuse for being a Nazi asshole.
    They probably didn’t help, but they’re not the reasons why he’s a Nazi asshole.

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    @The Moar You Know: Maybe it’s just me but being a fucking Nazi is sign that a person is mentally unwell.

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    @The Moar You Know:

    Bullshit he’s mentally unwell. No proof of that at all.

    He’s a spoiled Nazi motherfucking piece of shit who participated in a murder and deserves nothing more than the maximum amount of jail time he can possibly be given.

    They’re actually in no way incompatible.

    @Betty Cracker: but I saw this morning on politico how Kelly had totally restored order in the Oval Office‽‽‽!!!??‽
    //

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    p.a. says:

    @rikyrah: I’m waiting for some leaks of foreign intelligence/security services psych profiles of tRump.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I just went and read their code of conduct, and some of their history.

    They’re an offshoot of Bob Jones U, but explicitly reject Calvinism, sticking to a fairly literal interpretation of the King James version (in english; they have a preferred ur-text which is Greek).

    The founders got into a public beef with Kent Hovind (the Kentuky Ark nutcase) and his crowd, going so far as to testify against him in his tax-evasion trial. They interpret the “pay Caesar what is his, but then also pay God what he’s owed” story VERY literally.

    This kid violated the college Code of Conduct in at least two places; not making a spectacle of oneself (modesty), and in disrespect (respect and courtesy).

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    Bruce K says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Bullshit he’s mentally unwell. No proof of that at all.

    He’s a spoiled Nazi motherfucking piece of shit who participated in a murder and deserves nothing more than the maximum amount of jail time he can possibly be given.

    If I may put on my lawyer hat for a moment, insanity’s generally an affirmative defense; the burden of proof is on the defendant to show not just that there’s some mental illness involved, but that at the time of the crime, the illness was preventing the defendant from understanding that he/she was doing wrong. Simply being not-right-in-the-head enough to identify with the Nazis isn’t going to clear that bar, not if there’s video evidence of someone doing a two-block runup before ramming the crowd.

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    Wapiti says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Bullshit he’s mentally unwell. No proof of that at all.

    If Trump were not capable of doing the job, because he was mentally unwell, Pence and the Cabinet would remove him through Article 25. They haven’t, so he’s obviously fine, and can stand trial with no recourse to insanity pleas.

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    smintheus says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Twitler implied this morning that his only glory comes from the reflected light of Obama’s administration.

    President Donald Trump today retweeted a meme that showed a picture of his gradually blocking out an image of former President Obama with the caption “The Best Eclipse Ever.”

    Doesn’t seem to understand that the moon is pure darkness without the light of the sun.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @tobie:

    She’s correct but protectionism is the mantra of the left and the right at the moment. I’ll never forget the chants of “No TPP” at the Democratic convention.

    It’s not always protectionism.

    The TPP was massively fucked up; it gave rights to corporations that individuals and governments couldn’t appeal. It fucked up copyright further (and trust me, it’s already a giant mess), again granting corporations rights over the individual creators. If they’d replaced the copyright sections with “We abide by the Berne Convention”, that would have fixed one major problem, but the patent and litigation issues were unsalvageable. That per my attorney, who said “don’t take any contracts under these terms — you need to get paid, not sued.”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So has one of the Racially Superiorlike Cantwell here gone their and proclaimed “the Nazis are the new Jews” in protest?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Bruce K:
    This is one of those times I am glad I read the comments before responding. You hit the nail on the head with nice detail.
    Yes, he could in fact be crazy and a junky but he knew what he was doing was wrong.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @rikyrah:

    This weird meme that nobody cared about Confederate statues before Trump shows how little mind people pay to black folks’ opinions.

    That bears repeating.

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    @FlyingToaster: TPP was a military alliance that the would-be signatories agreed to because it was sufficiently generous to large corporations. We just couldn’t say that out loud. (It would’ve improved the quality of life in places like Vietnam too IIRC.)

    But none of this means it shouldnt have had a hearing in congress.

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    Kay says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    I’ve said this before but the fundamental mistake free traders made is they were dishonest with people. They over-promised. They knew there would be pain (along with gain) but they lied about the losses. People had finally just had it. They were sick of getting sunshine blown up their ass by people who had no skin in the game- people who were going to be FINE no matter how the trade benefit/loss played out.

    The contradictions were obvious. They would be promoting funding they got for retraining while insisting no one would lose their job. I mean, come on. If you’re securing (minimal) funding for dislocated workers someone is losing their job! I personally believe it came about because it was an echo chamber- everyone was boosting free trade so any dissent became “protectionism” and there was no real discussion or debate. EVERY trade deal was fabulous and the best that’s ever been and any dissent was portrayed like the person was a heretic in a crowd of true believers.

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    rikyrah says:

    EVIL, ROTTEN MUTHAPHUCKAS.

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    rikyrah says:

    uh huh
    uh huh

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    “What distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters was…their attitudes about race.”

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    tobie says:

    @FlyingToaster: I think I can safely say that the people shouting No TPP at the convention had hardly given any thought to the language concerning intellectual property in the agreement. But the broader point you make is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what governments do when they enter into multilateral agreements:

    it gave rights to corporations that individuals and governments couldn’t appeal.

    All treaties are based on pledges that governments make and in which they suspend certain domestic rights for the sake of other international privileges and/or protections. This is as true for the Paris Climate Agreement as it is for NAFTA. If individuals or governments could simply renege on commitments they made in agreements, no country would ever choose to be party to an agreement with them. It would make no sense. We are quickly reaching this point in abandoning the Paris Climate Agreement which committed the US to actions it supposedly couldn’t appeal.

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    kilo50 says:

    I watched the Vice report and to be fair I was impressed at how well spoken and rational this guy was. but then a lot of Nazis were rational and well spoken. What came out of his mouth was incitement to violence and racial hatred. In this day and age to be mouthing off about Jewish miscegenation is crazy, so perhaps by the legal definition Cantwell is not a candidate for a mental hospital, but he sure seems to nuts by popular opinion. And extremely well armed.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That kid was odd, he knew enough about Civil War military culture to know to leave his top button on his jacket buttoned but there was this whole “farbe” vibe about him (Reenactor term for not using the right stuff) His uniform just looked odd, like it was modern clothing died gray.

    I wonder did the Christian school expelled the sad kid because it was because he was carrying the South Cross Flag and not the Confederate Flag and not being true to heritage?

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    @rikyrah:

    What distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters was…their attitudes about race.

    Shocked, gambling, etc.

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    Kay says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    There was this awful thing free traders did to working people too, where they were ordered to be grateful they weren’t in a worse place. Like “how dare you ask for labor protections! We’ll send you over to China and then you’ll really complain!”

    All of a sudden the lowest possible bar became the baseline and anything above that was a gift that they were generously bestowing on coddled Americans. They were unbearably arrogant.

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    @Kay: they definitely fucked up but as it is now the only people opposing these treaties just want to tear them up. There’s no political space right now for smart trade, only retreating absolutists and resurgent protectionists.

    ETA: with even Warren, who knows better, masquerading as a protectionist.

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    MomSense says:

    @AnonPhenom:

    I remember reading once upon a time that there was a lot of drug use among nazis in Germany. Didn’t someone superimpose the opioid and meth use map over the trump vote map and find a lot of overlap? I remember seeing something like that not too long after the election.

    I betcha there is a high incidence of substance abuse use and domestic violence in the neo nazi/white supremacist cohort. I also think I read that MRA groups are a big factor in recruiting nazis.

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    Kay says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    They also didn’t enforce them. They would go to arbitration and it would take decades and nothing would happen. Hugely egregious violations- the state murdering union organizers- and they’d send it this endless process that was dominated by industry actors and nothing would ever happen. Another unmet promise by the free traders.

    They need to look at their own behavior in this. The blowback was gonna come. It was just a matter of time.

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    tobie says:

    @Kay: You’re painting with a broad brush stroke here. Should we avoid trade deals because they involve trade-offs? What kind of trade deals do you think would be good for generating jobs? This is an honest question, not snark.

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    Brachiator says:

    @rikyrah:

    Angela Merkel says she understands its support, but “America first” attitude will only hurt the U.S. in the end

    Best pay attention when a German leader lectures you on fascist tendencies.

    ..

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: No, again from PCC’s policies. To wit: he attempted to deny Caesar (in this case, the United States) its due in having beaten the Confederacy. Furthermore, by showing up armed with a flag of treason, after one of his co-believers killed and injured counterprotestors, he violated the codes of modesty, respect and courtesy.

    Had he shown up without the gear, and hence the theater, there’s have been no altercation, and he’d likely be graduating next year.

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    @MomSense: lots of Nazis were speed users, but so were lots of other people. All sides!

    I also think I read that MRA groups are a big factor in recruiting nazis.

    Absolutely. It follows the standard playbook for recruiting extremists.

    1. Identify people with a legitimate grievance (“the patriarchy sold me a bill of goods with toxic masculinity!”)
    2. Redirect to conspiracy (well, this is feminists’ fault and women’s fault by extension, since feminists only care about themselves)
    3. Rage and Isolation (MGTOW “never dating again except to use women for sex”, or the “involuntarily celibate” “incel” people, etc.)
    4. Overlap to other communities (“you know who else supports feminism…”)
    5. Nazis!

    ETA: and of course impotent rage and isolation can lead to substance abuse

  52. 52
    Kay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Well, we disagree. I don’t think Warren is a protectionist. It’s become anything less than completely deregulated trade is “protectionist”. She was right about the terms in TPP. In fact, while she was yelling that the tribunal terms sucked industry actors sued on NAFTA, to enforce deregulatory mechanisms. Race to the bottom. Exactly what we were promised wouldn’t happen.

    It isn’t even true that the United States is the “gold standard” for food safety and labor protections. That’s not remotely true. The Canadian workers are right- they lose if they adopt US standards. Europe loses if they adopt our food safety standards. Australian consumers lose if they adopt US prescription drug standards- their standards are higher.

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    @Kay: “Free” trade and “free” market are political hack terms, not terms defined by economists.
    When they say free market, they are referring to perfect competition. Most businesses do not like that because in perfect competition firms are price takers not price setters. Most businesses like oligopolies or monopolies, where they can be the price setters.

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    kilo50 says:

    @MomSense: Historically there was a lot of substance use in the 1930’s. Heroin and morphine’s undesirable effects were well known, but the amphetamines were very new and as usual were promoted as a new and better substance than before. It was so prevalent that some historians attribute the successful 1940 campaign for France and the 1941 airborne assault on Crete to the widespread use of meth by the Nazi troops. today we see fascists like Bannon attracted to substance abuse. I think it’s more of a personal problem that simply a RWNJ thing.

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    Kay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    It’s my biggest beef with Obama. Not the trade deal. I knew he was a free trader (so is Clinton). His doing the same things free traders have done for 30 years- demonizing any dissent as “protectionist” and over-selling the benefits while hiding any possible downside.

    Everyone says “this deal is different. this deal we will enforce” But they don’t enforce and they haven’t enforced in 30 years.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @The Moar You Know: Severe case of Entitled White Snowflake Syndrome.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @rikyrah: So true, so true. Thank you for posting this.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @MomSense:
    Hitler drugged himself, several of his top officials are alleged to have also. The SA (brownshirts) were accused of being into narcotics in a big way, it was part of the justification for Operation Hummingbird. But the average Nazi? Probably not

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @tobie: Granted. The difference (for me particularly) was that there were scenarios that I have been party to in the past as a subcontractor that could make me liable if a corporation decided to come after me. It could leave me open to a charge of piracy for using the same techniques for two clients — generally, determining what to display per language and country settings. Without a court hearing if one of them decides to drag me into arbitration.

    My lawyer made me take out “exclusivity” clauses all the time; companies seemed to forget that I was a work-for-hire vendor, not an employee.

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    germy says:

    This story, a small portion of which was broken by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on August 18, has been picked up by a few media outlets but hasn’t broken into the Russia scandal revelation mainstream — which is to say The New York Times and Washington Post — possibly because the pieces don’t quite fit together. At least not yet.

    The trigger for Maddow’s story was the news that Strzok, who headed the FBI’s Clinton email investigation, had been transferred on August 17 from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigative team to the FBI’s human resources department. In other words, he had been kicked off the elite team conducting the Russia scandal investigation that most threatened the Donald Trump presidency and was now cooling his heels shuffling papers.

    * Strzok, described by fellow agents as a “superstar,” worked in the FBI’s New York office and was such an important player in the Weiner-Abedin-Clinton investigation that he was tasked with interviewing Clinton himself.

    * Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent and author of a dossier linking the Trump campaign to Russian election interference, had been unsuccessful in interesting the FBI in his findings.

    * Steele says “The bureau kept stalling, instead focusing on Clinton. . . . The New York office, in particular, appeared to be on a crusade” against her and some agents “had a long working relationship with Rudy Giuliani.”

    * Strzok may have been among the agents who disliked Clinton and leaked the discovery of the Weiner emails to Giuliani, who was an especially influential Trump surrogate.

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    Kay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    They can’t really enforce. Really tough trade sanctions would be an act of war AND “us companies” are multinationals and they would be harming US companies. They can’t enforce. So tell people that. Don’t tell them there will be meaningful sanctions on Vietnam if they continue to imprison labor organizers because that is not going to happen. Never. It’s too disruptive for US companies and Vietnam would interpret that as overtly hostile.

    I’m willing to have an honest discussion about trade. It’s about time. That would be new and different.

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    @Kay: What’s really free is the movement of capital and not of labor. So the more capital you have, the better off you are. That’s what both IMF and World Bank have pushed on to other countries when giving them debt. That arrangement worked very well for the United States consumers, only now are we feeling the pinch of the pro-capital policies.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Kay: THIS!

    Though honestly, I just asked my attorney “is this another crap-ass deal?” and she went to town on it — her field being intellectual property law.

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    Kay says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Trump can’t enforce either. He is going to shut down trade with China? Like hell he is. Forget “Chinese companies”. US companies and monied interests would initiate a coup and physically remove him from office.

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    germy says:

    Russia ambassador to Sudan found dead in swimming pool. 4th senior Russian diplomat this year, after UN, India ambassadors, diplo in Greece— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) August 23, 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    @germy:

    Russia ambassador to Sudan found dead in swimming pool. 4th senior Russian diplomat this year, after UN, India ambassadors, diplo in Greece— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) August 23, 2017

    DAMN.
    another one bites the dust.

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    Kay says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    Democrats went even further this time with the dishonesty. They presented worker retraining and money for trade-related job losses as new funding- new programs. Those programs have been in place since 1974. It was just BLATANTLY dishonest.

    The big winners in TPP was agriculture. They have the worst of both worlds right now- they have free trade coming in but they meet barriers when they sell overseas. I cannot even believe those dopes in Iowa voted for Trump. They KNEW TPP was a gift to ag.

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    @Kay: He will not take on China, he is a bully, he only takes on groups/people that are weaker than him. Hence he picks on immigrants without documents and trans people.

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah:
    No truer thing has been said on this thread. Glad to see it in print.

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    Kay says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    How they see it is like this, and it’s rough- a sketch- but there’s truth to it. The US “leads” on degulating trade. They get hurt because the market is flooded with competition. But it isn’t reciprocal, because other countries take their sweet time lowering barriers to US product entry and this “lag” can be 20 years. They just catch up, and there’s another trade deal. It HAS to be reciprocal and it has to be reciprocal immediately or they are at a disadvantage exporting their products. They think this lag is deliberate- a strategy to lower wages in higher wage countries. It sure looks deliberate because it happens over and over.

    If we’re going to take Vietnamese products with no time lag then they can’t make a deal where Vietnam says “we’ll open our markets to your products in ten years” because then they are at a competitive disadvantage. Free traders refused to concede this. They insisted it was “free markets” when really it was contract terms. Can’t be “free” on just one side!

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    I cannot even believe those dopes in Iowa voted for Trump. They KNEW TPP was a gift to ag.

    but…he was gonna make America great again…

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @germy: Very interesting. Thanks.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @germy: * Strzok, described by fellow agents as a “superstar,” worked in the FBI’s New York office and was such an important player in the Weiner-Abedin-Clinton investigation that he was tasked with interviewing Clinton himself.
    * Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent and author of a dossier linking the Trump campaign to Russian election interference, had been unsuccessful in interesting the FBI in his findings.
    * Steele says “The bureau kept stalling, instead focusing on Clinton. . . . The New York office, in particular, appeared to be on a crusade” against her and some agents “had a long working relationship with Rudy Giuliani.”
    * Strzok may have been among the agents who disliked Clinton and leaked the discovery of the Weiner emails to Giuliani, who was an especially influential Trump surrogate.

    Gadzooks! when I think about this stuff– about Comey and the NY FBI office and the Chaffetz committee– torn between my gut feeling that Giuliani and that FBI agents association were useful idiots to Putin, and my more rational, skeptical side telling me this kind of thinking is halfway to an Oliver Stone script

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    Kay says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I think we see him as less dangerous than a lot of people. I don’t believe a word he says. I don’t believe him when he lies about GDP growth and I also don’t believe him when he says he’s bombing North Korea. He’s not MORE credible when he’s promising to bomb North Korea than he is when he’s promising not to cut Medicaid.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @rikyrah:

    “What distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters was…their attitudes about race.”

    Sanders-Trump voters were mostly Republicans who were voting for the weaker candidate. IIRC in West Virginia something like a third of “Sanders” voters would have voted for Trump over Sanders. No surprise that racism neatly sets them apart from the genuine voters who supported Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general.

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    @Kay: I don’t think Warren is a protectionist either. But I think she plays one on TV. The recent version of Elizabeth Warren The Politician makes statements that are obviously specifically vague enough that leftist “tear it all up” protectionists will think she’s one of them.

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    Kay says:

    Add to your why-Sept-is-going-to-be-crazy list: Ds will try to disband Trump’s Election Integrity Commission in a must-pass bill in Sept:

    Yay! Democrats can win on this issue but they have to be relentless. They have loads of ammo. Federal courts are intervening in GOP election schemes like crazy. The timing is perfect. They’re be wholly in line with the judicial branch crack-down on this bullshit

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Kay:

    It isn’t even true that the United States is the “gold standard” for food safety and labor protections. That’s not remotely true. The Canadian workers are right- they lose if they adopt US standards. Europe loses if they adopt our food safety standards. Australian consumers lose if they adopt US prescription drug standards- their standards are higher.

    One thing I’ve learned working on medical devices is both the EU and Brazil have pretty strong standards, to the point Trump and company screwing over the FDA hardly matters because if any of those three agencies yank the company’s liscense is bad for world wide sales. Also the Russians and the PRC have been stepping up their inspections too.

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    germy says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I was curious when I learned he was dropped from the team, but I didn’t know the details.

    I’m glad they moved him before he could do any damage to the investigation.

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    It isn’t even true that the United States is the “gold standard” for food safety and labor protections. That’s not remotely true. The Canadian workers are right- they lose if they adopt US standards. Europe loses if they adopt our food safety standards. Australian consumers lose if they adopt US prescription drug standards- their standards are higher.

    @Kay: The US is pretty much bottom of the barrel for both food safety and labor protections – yes, we have them; but they’re really not worth a shit.

    Go to a British supermarket – and the Brits aren’t exactly known for great food – and everything in it is better than anything you can buy here, at any price. It would be “piling on” on to even try to compare to Germany or France.

    ETA: the world is not blind. Or stupid. Our fake-ass food and beaten down workers are not something that any society should want to emulate.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Yay! Democrats can win on this issue but they have to be relentless. They have loads of ammo. Federal courts are intervening in GOP election schemes like crazy. The timing is perfect. They’re be wholly in line with the judicial branch crack-down on this bullshit

    did you see the post I did about Kansas having more ballots thrown out in 2016 than any other state of a similar size?

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    rikyrah says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    It isn’t even true that the United States is the “gold standard” for food safety and labor protections. That’s not remotely true. The Canadian workers are right- they lose if they adopt US standards. Europe loses if they adopt our food safety standards. Australian consumers lose if they adopt US prescription drug standards- their standards are higher.

    They do not allow the crap that is allowed in American processed foods.

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    @The Moar You Know:

    the Brits aren’t exactly known for great food

    One of my friends tweeted the other day that Britain invaded half the world for spices and then decided they didn’t like any of them.

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    Kay says:

    JUST IN: Ohio Dept of Insurance says CareSource will sell ACA health plans in Ohio’s Paulding County. No more empty ACA counties.

    Little Paulding gets an insurer! Paulding is my favorite court out in the boonies. It’s hysterical. It has creaky wooden stairs and it’s mostly empty. They have no funding-they may be volunteers in there at this point. All 7 of them.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: The school forbids demonstrations. Period. Their publishing arm’s history texts are very slavery-apologetic, but a demonstration is a demonstration.

    Liberty University considers the graduates underprepared.

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    eclare says:

    @rikyrah: Not just food, I only buy European manicure products like nail polish, remover.

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    They do not allow the crap that is allowed in American processed foods.

    @rikyrah: I was there a few months ago. Believe me, it shows.

    One of my friends tweeted the other day that Britain invaded half the world for spices and then decided they didn’t like any of them.

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s pretty funny. I was in Britain over Christmas (that is the best way to do Christmas, BTW) and the only food that the British do badly is hamburgers. Everything else I had was, at worst, really good. People who’ve been there a lot say the food scene has really changed there over the last twenty years. I believe that. Their reputation for shitty or flavorless food is completely undeserved.

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    @Kay: but Paul Ryan told me there were hundreds of counties with no insurers.

    @The Moar You Know: yeah, I’ve been there more recently too and the food is fine in London at least. But I also understand this is a more recent phenomenon.

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    @rikyrah:
    That is a very illuminating article. VERY illuminating. It pretty much says the NeverHillary crowd were ratfuckers with no intention of ever voting Democrat. They don’t care about trade, and are not just racist, but majorly racist. It also said that their numbers were not unusually high and Republicans have it just as bad.

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    @rikyrah:
    The wide spread of these murders and the fact they’re working for Putin, not dissidents, suggests something is going downhill fast in Putin’s regime.

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Trump doesn’t just only bully people weaker than him. They have to be overwhelmingly, utterly powerless, no-pushback-at-all weaker. The man is astonishingly chickenshit. Even I have trouble believing it, and my predictions of Trump have been pretty on the mark so far.

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    MomSense says:

    @germy:

    Wow, that is an interesting possible connection given that Rudy seemed to have advance knowledge of the re-opening of the Abedin-Weiner-Clinton investigation, that we learned both the FBI and NYT were working of the discredited book Clinton Cash, and that the NYT was told by the FBI there wasn’t a clear link between Trump and Russia right before the election.

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    smintheus says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Their reputation for shitty or flavorless food is completely undeserved.

    I lived in Britain for years during the 80s/90s. Their reputation was hard earned.

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    Montanareddog says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    the world is not blind. Or stupid. Our fake-ass food and beaten down workers are not something that any society should want to emulate.

    Or the vaunted US Constitution. Perhaps Poli sci specialists can comment, but I have always been struck how many democracies adopted parliamentary systems, including the defeated Axis powers

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    Montanareddog says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    One of my friends tweeted the other day that Britain invaded half the world for spices and then decided they didn’t like any of them.

    And that other great trading empire with a big interest in the spice trade, the Dutch, rival the British in the mediocrity of their cuisine. Interesting correlation.

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    Montanareddog says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Their reputation for shitty or flavorless food is completely undeserved.

    Were you in London or another major city? Because elsewhere, it is pretty much same old same old.

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    @Kay: I would be more worried if he was a more seasoned politician and more competent. That’s why Kelly scares me, he was a fellow traveler at the DHS. He is competent and has autocratic impulses, see his dealings with Congress. Media would totally be in his pocket if the GOP decide to run him in 2020.
    Hopefully T’s touch will not fail us and Kelly will be history soon, or so I hope.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: I have seen better and more scary demagogues than him. His intentions may be malign but his abilities don’t match his intentions (thank ceiling cat). Even so just by being the President he is doing tremendous harm.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @tobie:

    She’s correct but protectionism is the mantra of the left and the right at the moment. I’ll never forget the chants of “No TPP” at the Democratic convention.

    Yeah, and the “no TPP” thing is going to come back to bite us in the ass, *hard*, if it hasn’t already. Then all these same people will be running around with their hair on fire about why we can’t sell our agricultural products in Pacific markets anymore (because they enacted really steep tariffs on them, you imbeciles), or why the price of lumber normally imported from Canada has suddenly gone thru’ the roof (because Donnie thinks we should be getting all our wood from USA! USA! USA! sources). The full impact of the folly of rejecting international trade agreements has yet to be felt, I’m afraid.

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    sharl says:

    @rikyrah: Yup, we live in a very racist country, and it has been that way since the nation’s founding. And of course that was also the case in 2008:

    For the Democrats upset that 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump: In 2008 25% of Hillary voters voted for McCain https://t.co/YAx4sSgEdr pic.twitter.com/4yTr7cTalu— Nathan McDermott (@natemcdermott) August 23, 2017

    Unfortunately, unlike in 2008, it may well have made the difference in the 2016 Electoral College loss.* But useful to keep this nation’s racist nature in mind. After all, 53% of white women voters went with the p*ssy grabber, whether or not they were once PUMAs.

    *Of course it is also true for this “close” election – as for a lot of close elections – that anyone can pick his/her favorite faction of actual or potential voters as the particular reason why an election was lost. The best post-election analyses try to quantify and aggregate those factors to come up with some overall conclusion, but calling out individual factions so often seems to be an exercise in feeding one’s confirmation bias.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @smintheus: Going by the English housemate I had; HP Sauce on EVERYTHING! Meat, french fries, pizza, all get the HP Sauce.

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    satby says:

    @Montanareddog: But give the British this, at least they don’t have haggis.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @The Moar You Know: It’s no surprise that the groups in the US who lean Reichward and who haven’t traveled outside the US overlap significantly. Anyone who travels gets to see how thoroughly fvcked the average US resident is when it comes to diet, work and surroundings.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @Montanareddog: Depends on where you go. Salisbury, Bath, Wells, Windermere and Ambleside, even Whitby had wonderful eats when I was last there a decade ago; Scarborough, Grange-over-Sands, Barrow-in-Furness, Lewes, Seaford, not so much.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @smintheus: something happened between 1995 and 2005. Dunno what it is, but it’s like the whole island woke up and discovered it could cook.

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