(Possible) Good News About Tonight’s Phoenix White Supremacy Trump Campaign Rally

Unless, of course, Lord Smallgloves changes his mind once he’s in front of the cameras and a mob of his biggest fans. DADDY NEEDS ANOTHER HIT OF THAT SWEET, SWEET EGO BOOSTER, BABY!

White House officials won’t say exactly what’s on Trump’s agenda when he holds a campaign-style rally here. But it’s widely expected he will go after GOP Sen. Jeff Flake, a loud critic of the president who recently published an anti-Trump manifesto, “Conscience of a Conservative.”

Whatever he says about Flake, the president is clearly determined to send a message. State Treasurer Jeff DeWit, who is weighing a primary challenge against Flake, will join the president on Air Force One on Tuesday, according to two people briefed on the plans. And the daughter of another potential GOP candidate, former state GOP Chairman Robert Graham, is slated to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

In the days leading up to Trump’s Arizona trip, Senate GOP leaders have implicitly warned Trump that attacking Flake, who faces a treacherous path to reelection, would only serve to further rupture his relationship with a congressional GOP wing that he’s grown increasingly isolated from in recent weeks. It came after Trump, in a tweet after the Phoenix event was announced, called Flake “toxic.” The president had earlier threatened to spend as much as $10 million to take out the incumbent Republican…

Trump’s decision to venture to Flake’s home state goes to what senior Republicans say is a much deeper concern: that the president seems more interested in exacting revenge against members of his own party than defeating Democrats. It is highly unusual for the president to openly campaign against a sitting member of his own party, let alone someone as vulnerable as Flake…

You knew what Trump was when you hugged him to your bosoms, Repubs.






198 replies
  1. 1
    lamh36 says:

    So what’s the over/under on Chump going off script and pointing out his good friend Joe A and “looking into pardoning my old friend Joe”

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    Jeffro says:

    He’ll just say, with a wink and a nod, that he’ll do it at the ‘right time’. And then go, “You know, I always take care of people who are loyal to me”, etc etc hint hint. You know, true Americans.

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    lamh36 says:

    I’ll be counter narrative and say I think the KKK/WhiteNationlist/Alt-Right folks will go through great measures to goad the counterprotestors to do something stupid and on camera so they can claim “both sides” narratives.

    Here’s hoping the counterprotesters don’t take ANY bait…esp since they may outnumber Trump supporters/Alt-Right loons

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    hilts says:

    Love this detail from the NY Times story on Trump / McConnell feud (These rotten bastards deserve each other)

    Before silence descended between the two Republican leaders, according to the New York Times, Trump and McConnell had a “profane shouting match” on a phone call earlier in August.

    In that conversation, Trump accused McConnell of bungling Obamacare repeal and suggested that McConnell had not sufficiently protected him from the federal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, unnamed Republicans briefed on the conversation told the New York Times.

    On McConnell’s part, the New York Times reported, citing unnamed sources who have spoken with the Senate leader, he described the President as completely unwilling to learn how to govern and has questioned whether Trump is a fit leader for the Republican Party as it heads into the 2018 midterm elections.

    h/t https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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    JPL says:

    hmmm It appears as if the call came after the article in the NYTimes

    GOP senator calls just now, sez Trump consumed w RUSSIA
    Also: Trump must sell tax reform
    “His vocabulary on healthcare was bout 10 words”

    https://twitter.com/jmartNYT

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    Baud says:

    I have post-eclipse blues.

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: It won’t happen, or Kelly will not give him his reward for good behavior. I do think he will threaten to veto the extension of the debt ceiling, unless they promise to build his wall.

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    eric says:

    I think Mary Shelley should ask the GOP for royalties.

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    Baud says:

    I have post-eclipse blues.

    (Being in moderation for misspelling my email address doesn’t help. )

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    raven says:

    I have a good friend who is on the ASU faculty and she’s all geared up to demonstrate.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JPL: I assume nine of those words are some variant on “me”.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    I have post-eclipse blues.

    🌕🌔🌓🌒🌑🌘🌗🌖🌕

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    dmsilev says:

    @hilts: The irony is that they’re both right. McConnell did arguably bungle healthcare reform by trying the “write a bill in secret and try to ram it through even though everyone hated it” approach, and Trump most certainly is unfit to do his job and is likely leading his party towards a midterm bloodbath.

    Hey guys, I guess what Nancy, Harry, and Barack managed wasn’t quite so easy after all, was it?

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @eric: Yup or her heirs

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    lamh36 says:

    What time is this rally scheduled for anyway?

    I mean I’m not gonna watch it, gonna be watching anything until Black Girls Rock comes on BET…but just wanted to know so I can avoid the cable nets who will, no doubt, be showing it LIVE.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Oh. That’s nice.

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    lamh36 says:

    @speechboy71
    Pretty much every person quoted in this piece is a McConnell ally. This is a contract hit https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html?referer=https://t.co/esn2IpuHlc?amp=1

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    Rihilism says:

    @Jeffro: I thought you were gonna say “you know, morons”…

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    Cacti says:

    Call it what it is.

    Trump’s Nuremberg Rally.

    And having lived in Arizona previously, the shoe fits in terms of the locals (actual city of Phoenix residents notwithstanding). Plenty of tiki torch Nazis in the Phoenix burbs though.

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    lamh36 says:

    IMHO, Tom Perez messed up by seeming to many to be embracing Bernie and his bots…smh…and that “listening” tour didn’t amount to anything good for the DNC…SMH

    Donors flood Democratic groups with cash, but avoid the DNC http://nbcnews.to/2ww1XwZ via @nbcnews

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    hilts says:

    @dmsilev:

    The irony is that they’re both right.

    I agree with your assessment and look forward to the day when both Trump and McConnell are out of office so that they can stop destroying America.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    I have post-eclipse blues.

    Perhaps if you turn upside down, it will redshift the spectrum back to yellow?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @JPL: We can always hope that Trump goes into “You’re not the boss of me!” mode.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: An article I read said that Perez was completely overhauling the DNC, including the fundraising operations. That may explain those those numbers, or it could be CYA? Who knows?

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    lamh36 says:

    @davecatanese
    This Trump supporter is shouting at protestors: “McCain needs to die now!”
    https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/900127909565693952

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    TriassicSands says:

    Quick, Flake needs to come out in favor of Trump pardoning Arpaio. In fact, he needs to demand it!

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    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule: I’m already upside down.

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    Calouste says:

    Flake might work out that his best chance for re-election is switching parties. It is a lot easier to defeat a RWNJ in the general than in the GOP primary.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: Trump supporters are every bit as classy as Trump himself.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Baud: the article goes into that a bit, but it also says that outside groups have reported an influx of cash equal to the GOP groups though? So…

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    Baud says:

    Uh oh, Betty. NBC reporting that backyard chicken are causing salmonella out break.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: Yeah, I don’t know. I’d be surprised if it’s the Bernie experiment that’s the cause though. But everything is so wacky now so anything is possible.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @Cacti:
    I did just that, a moment ago, on WaPo
    I also called a photo of attendees the worst, most bumblefuck, most pathetic fascists ever.

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    You knew what Trump was when you hugged him to your bosoms, Repubs.

    Lay down with dogs, wake up with rabies.

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    eclare says:

    @WaterGirl: I would put money on POS going into you’re not the boss of me mode.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: the chickens are coming home to roost.

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    jl says:

    This post and its links seem to be about Trump formulating and executing coherent and stable plans. I don’t see the point.
    We’ll see what he does.
    Trump’s pissed at Flake for frankly stating that obvious, that Trump is an incompetent and unstable nut case. Probably holding a big grudge with McCain and Ducey for supposedly helping wreck his ‘beautiful’ health care reform.
    I think I saw a news blurb that AZ gub Ducey asked Trump to half-way behave himself while in AZ.
    We’ll probably hear some trash talk about all three, even though they are loyal GOPers.

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    More real Americans waiting for Trump (this set me off this afternoon and I’m still fuming):

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    TenguPhule says:

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Lay down with dogs, wake up with rabies.

    Black Plague. Rabies has a cure.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: OT, but I was carrying groceries out of the store this afternoon and had to open my sunglasses with one hand. As I flicked them open one-handed, I felt just like the chair guy. :-)

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    sdhays says:

    @Calouste: Why would the Democrats take him? He’s been just awful, and with an 18% approval rating, he doesn’t stand a chance at pulling a Lieberman — although, if he tried to pull a Lieberman, that Senate seat would almost certainly switch from lean Republican to lean Democrat in 2018…

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @JPL:

    GOP senator calls just now, sez Trump consumed w RUSSIA

    no puppet, no puppet
    UR da puppet!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    NBC reporting that backyard chicken are causing salmonella out break.

    Because people forget that chicken are filthy vermin with feathers.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Trump almost always does the opposite of what his advisers recommend, so pardon coming in 3, 2, 1…

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @lamh36:

    This Trump supporter is shouting at protestors: “McCain needs to die now!”

    #Economic Anxiety

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @TenguPhule: If you get treated soon enough. These folks are at the slobbering, deranged state.

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    Origuy says:

    @TenguPhule: Not sure what your point is. Plague is easily treatable with modern antibiotics; rabies is nearly always fatal.

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    J R in WV says:

    OK, open thread. Just did get home from far western Kentucky after 8 hours in the VW. Wow are my feet tired!

    Adventure happened exactly as I hoped and planned, return to Earth less exciting. Drove from nice hotel on US 60 W which actually travels south, through Marion, Ky, a few miles farther into the countryside.

    Found deserted wide pull-off space with shade from bushes, got out hardware, had one car stop briefly, loaned the guy with a camera my filter for a minute, they took off farther south. Then a car with 3 folks who flew into Kansas City from Baltimore, who stayed for the main event.

    Met a guy Sunday evening at the hotel who came from Belgium to see his second eclipse, was going on to Mammoth Cave as well.

    Will have photos to share in a couple of days, need to move them from the camera to a laptop with GIMP to edit and label, etc.

    Total success, nearly anyway , hurray!!!

    JR

    Hey?!?

    What are those numbers doing on the comments?!?!?! How cool.

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    @hilts: Fuck them both. Yertle is the distilled smarm and soulless ratfuck criminality of Speaker Ryan with the brass of a senate majority leader, and no carpet-bagging NY con artist is going to out-snake-oil him; the dumpster fire remains the same clueless yutz still surfing for the right channel on the remote. It would be totally fucking hilarious watching these two set each other on fire in broad daylight in front of a cheering crowd if it wasn’t my country and her citizenry that is set to burn down with them.

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    waspuppet says:

    “He didn’t say he’s not going to do it,” Arpaio told VICE. “He said *tonight*”

    Spoken like a really, really innocent man.

    And yeah — It may have been explained to him that he shouldn’t pardon Arpaio, and he may even have said “OK I won’t,” but on a stage with thousands of racist Arizonans cheering for him? He’ll totally do it.

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    Baud says:

    Man, I hate speculating on what Trump will do. Trump doesn’t even know.

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    J R in WV says:

    @J R in WV:

    Obviously too much travel time today, page not finished loading, numbers looked weird. Duh!

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    Kathleen says:

    @lamh36: I saw that on Twitter and participated in the thread, which was pretty good. Glad to see other people agree with my position.

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    debbie says:

    @JPL:

    This’ll slay Trump: John Kasich and Hickenlooper are formulating a health care bill they hope to convince other governors to support.

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    jl says:

    @Baud:

    ‘ Man, I hate speculating on what Trump will do. Trump doesn’t even know. ‘

    Trump can see the success of complete unpredictability, already unfolding with constant winning since his inauguration!

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    Kathleen says:

    @TenguPhule: Shh!!!! You’ll upset Betty’s chickens!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Hey, what happened to your maple leaves earlier? They were MIA.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    It came after Trump, in a tweet after the Phoenix event was announced, called Flake “toxic.”

    Trump calling someone else toxic is priceless. Absolutely priceless.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m sorry to hear that.

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    momus says:

    Is Joe smart enough to realize accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: Fake news!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Origuy:

    Not sure what your point is. Plague is easily treatable with modern antibiotics; rabies is nearly always fatal.

    Black Plague has to be treated within 24 hours of developing symptoms to survive.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: The only true thing he’s ever said is that we would be sick of winning.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @J R in WV: Welcome home! Looking forward to your pics.

    P.S. What about the numbers? They look normal to me. Never mind.

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    jl says:

    If Trump does decide to pardon Arpaio, does he understand that just shouting about it at a rally isn’t an actual pardon?
    Have the Trumpsters ever turned his transgender ban tweets into official policy directives?

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Calouste: there is no way Flake switches parties to Dem. Maybe Indy but he’s no Lisa Murkowski.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Calouste: Flake has voted 99% or something like that for everything Trump’s party has put forward including the awful ACA repeal bills. He needs to duke it out with whoever opposes him in the primaries and go down gracefully in defeat. He went along with the Republican mistreatment of President Obama so there will be no sympathy for him from me.

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    MrsFromOhio is famous for shouting at her phone, computer Facebook updates. In the silence of reading, suddenly she’s screaming like someone enraged. What is it now, I ask, of course knowing its another dumpster fire antic update, or a comment from one her family on one of her posts.

    I’ve encouraged her to stop applying normal human or typical political templates to dumpster fire flare ups; none of the governance behavior we’ve enjoyed in 200+ years of relative stability is in force or enforceable. Even the Bushies and their ilk still colored mostly within the lines; as fucking criminally soulless as that bunch of ratfucks was, there was some semblance of executive branch behavior in their crimes. The dumpster fire truly does not care for or about what it burns, or why, and with the other ratfucks deserting the ship, there are fewer (or even no) voices to tempt reason. We’re all hostages to this dangerous fool until the thugs and idiots in Congress put a stop to it.

    Until then, it’s major self-medication. Gaia save us all, and MrsFromOhio’s blood pressure.

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    efgoldman says:

    @jl:

    If Trump does decide to pardon Arpaio, does he understand that just shouting about it at a rally isn’t an actual pardon?

    To the question “does he under stand….?” the answer is always, always “no.”
    Like the trans military ban.

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    @Baud: I’m better now, I figured out where some pics were taken that’s been bugging me for years about where they were taken*.

    *Maps and locations are an obsession.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: Odd because McCain is Republican. This is the Faustian bargain Republicans made. They elected an egomaniac to get their awful mandate passed but forgot that he could easily turn against them on a dime if they pissed him off. Now he’s turning the “economically anxious” Republican voters against Republican politicians.

    Lovely.

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    Ladyraxterinok says:

    Earlier someone called this Phoenix meeting Trump’s Nurenberg Rally. Sure hope Trump has never seen Leni Riefenstahl’s famous/infamous movie of the 1934 Nazi party rally Triumph des Willens. It captures just the adulation, pagentry, and excitement Trump craves.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @raven: Good for her. Hopefully anti-Trump protesters outnumber Trump’s Nazi rally attendees by a wide margin.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    If you think he’s never seen it you’re dreaming.

    The man had Mein Kampf in his private library, for God’s sake.

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    Maggie H, T’s steno from the Vichy Times, yesterday:

    Desire from her allies to pretend she ran a great race and was only stymied by reporters isn’t supported by fact

    Paper of record, so called or propaganda leaflet for the regime.

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    @Baud: Turns out it was take from a restaurant next to the Hotel del Coronado, which of have no pictures of. The clue was a B of A in the background.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat: She can’t defend her or her garbage paper’s coverage, so she has to engage in misdirection.

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    @Baud: Yup, if they’d broken up the banks, I’d never found it*.

    *The restaurant no longer goes by the same name, it’s a sushi place now. If I do a Google search on the name it points me to a place in Montrose where I used to live and I know it’s not that one.

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    JMG says:

    @schrodingers_cat: The weird thing is, Haberman had nothing to do with Times Clinton coverage. She was on Trump. But speaking as a former lifer in the profession, the professional sin of journalism is the capacity to dish it our but not take it.

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    @Baud: it’s quite a straw man, too. Hillary’s campaign was perfectly fine but I’ve never seen anybody talk about how great it was.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Baud: Bottom line, the choice between Trump and Clinton wasn’t a difficult one, and anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is full of shit.

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    Kathleen says:

    @schrodingers_cat: @Baud: Great post and comment thread on this subject at LGM, courtesy of Scott Lemieux:
    http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblo.....us-didnt-3

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    @Major Major Major Major:

    Hillary’s campaign was perfectly fine

    That’s not what I’ve heard.

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    lamh36 says:

    Alright peeps…of to watch Black Girls Rock on BET…enjoy watching the KKKlan rally

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yep, and if she had won, the NYT could say no harm, not foul. In other words, they have no journalistic accountability.

    @The Thin Black Duke: This.

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    Baud says:

    @Kathleen: LGM has been really strong on this.

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    HinTN says:

    @Baud: Me, too, baby. That’s why we’re soaking in the hot springs in the Colorado mountains.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Come, they told me
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    A rally in A.Z.!
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    He wants to build a wall
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    That’s 30 meters tall
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Who will get the bill?
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    Mexico will.

    Libs are full of woe
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    He’ll pardon Sheriff Joe
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    He’ll keep Joe out of jail
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    If he did less he’d fail
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Joe will smile so nice
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    Way to go, ICE.

    Trump is crazy
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    You’re not the boss of me!
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    A fine eclipse he made
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    He watched without his shade
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Rum-pa-pum-trump
    Then Melania smiled
    Ta-rum-pa-pum-trump
    She and her child.

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    @JMG: I know that, but here she is being defensive about the shitty coverage.

    ETA: I have also read her soft ball questions befitting a steno in the “interviews” he grants Times.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Bottom line, the choice between Trump and Clinton wasn’t a difficult one, and anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is full of shit.

    Thank you!

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    gene108 says:

    @dmsilev:

    McConnell did arguably bungle healthcare reform by trying the “write a bill in secret and try to ram it through even though everyone hated it” approach, and Trump most certainly is unfit to do his job and is likely leading his party towards a midterm bloodbath.

    And yet it would have passed, if McCain hadn’t grown a conscience, along with a brain tumor.

    It is not just Trump that wants to wipe away Obama’s accomplishments, but damn near every GOPer in Congress has the same irrational obsession.

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: BTW, maybe instead of watching the Pheonix KKK rally check a bit of the Black Girls Rock program on BET…Maxine Waters is one of the honorees

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    Muslim women in India had a major legal victory yesterday, Supreme Court declared triple talaq, unconstitutional.
    (According to the Muslim personal law, A Muslim man could divorce his wife by repeating talaq (divorce) thrice.)

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: better than McCain’s, Kerry’s, Gore’s, and Dole’s.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: Just googled – they have a red carpet for entrance and everything.

    edit: looking the photos on line.

    I don’t know who Jay Ellis is, but he’s hot.

    Taraji P. Henson looks awful – her face doesn’t even look like hers and she doesn’t look happy at all, what’s up with that?

    I like Anthony Anderson!

    edit 2: and there’s Maxine. Love her dress, she looks great!

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    Kathleen says:

    @Baud: Scott has done great job hammering this. Poster on comments thread suggested Maggie might be more open if criticism were not perceived as so “personal”. I mentioned Tom’s efforts to engage her in a calm, logical, rational manner and that she still pushed back by accusing him of not liking coverage because he was “partisan”. That seems to be the go to response from her and Glenn.

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    The Dudeist says:

    @Calouste: he could go independent.

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    Kathleen says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Excellent point.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @momus:
    Joe is smart enough to know that even admitting guilt (which he would not do) is preferable to prion time

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Great news. I assume women couldn’t just divorce their husbands by repeating words three times.

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    @The Dudeist: it would be fun to watch the GOP split into Trumpists and the people who know not to say the quiet part loud.

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    @Patricia Kayden: @schrodingers_cat: prechristian north Germanic cultures (roughly Denmark and north) had something very similar.

    ETA: and the reason I wrote that is, women could do it too.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @dmsilev:

    The irony is that they’re both right. McConnell did arguably bungle healthcare reform by trying the “write a bill in secret and try to ram it through even though everyone hated it” approach,

    Trump president and leader of the GOP, if he thought McConnell was handling what Trump saw as key legislation then Trump should have spoke up at the time. The guy is a useless twat.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    When you see those outfits trimmed in gold and silver with a lot of coins, I was told by a Persian woman tht was because if divorce that way you left with only what you were wearing so you better be wearing some wealth.

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    Seth Owen says:

    @jl: Isn’t it? I don’t think the Constitution specifies any particular format for a Pardon. If he blurts it out in a speech or tweet I think Sheriff Joe would have an argument.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Seth Owen:

    I don’t think the Constitution specifies any particular format for a Pardon

    I bet there’s a statute somewhere that does, though. I expect something on paper, physically signed, is necessary.

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    @jl:

    Have the Trumpsters ever turned his transgender ban tweets into official policy directives?

    Yep, after about a week.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Joe is smart enough to know that even admitting guilt (which he would not do) is preferable to prion time

    Did you do that on purpose, or is it the greatest typo/autospellcheckcorrection EVAH??

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    efgoldman says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    after about a week.

    Are the services taking any action to implement it? Or is it in the courts, or just being ignored?

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    the choice between Trump and Clinton wasn’t a difficult one, and anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is full of shit.

    Unfortunately, there still exist a lot of stinky people.

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    @efgoldman: the services are taking action to implement it.

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    jl says:

    @Seth Owen: There has to be something on paper, with specifics for it to be legally binding. Am I wrong? I think the Presidential pardon only extends to federal crimes. If Trump just rambles on about it at a rally, what is the pardon for? Seems like the courts would have a case too. Unless Trump rambles on that he is granting the pardon for everything and anything Arpaio might have done against federal law. Trump usually doesn’t ramble with that level or precision.

    Maybe the BJ legal flying wedge can set me straight.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @WaterGirl: not sure. it was probably an issue with the site’s server.

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    jl says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Finally got around to it, huh? I guess they had to write something up after the fact, since I read Trump was lying that he made the decision after consultation and agreement with his central casting generals. He just got tired of having the grind though all the issues and tweeted something out. Or, he tweeted out a back channel attempt to shove it through regardless that Pence was arguing for. Or something, who knows?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I wish I could claim I had done it on purpose!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: it’s still infuriating how those on the kooky left insisted Confederate President Drumpf would be a pacifist in spite of all his murderous, war criminal speeches.

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    @jl: “trump was lying” is always a safe bet.

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: impossible to tell with a topic like that.

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    efgoldman says:

    @jl:

    I think the Presidential pardon only extends to federal crimes.

    Sheriff Joe was convicted of criminal contempt in federal court. That should be pardonable if “the president” wishes to do so. Whether he can get it together enough to go ahead and do it properly is another question.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Anyone who ever took freshman psych knows THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: is that like how every doctor knows it’s never lupus?

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    Someone on WaPo said the arena is half empty with 10 minutes to go.

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    GregB says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee. Then you throw dog poop on their shoes.

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    jl says:

    @efgoldman: Will be interesting if Trump just shouts it out and doesn’t get around to putting it down on paper for a while.

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    @GregB: This has been a political football in India for as long as I can remember.

    BBC coverage

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @A Ghost to Most:

    Someone on WaPo said the arena is half empty with 10 minutes to go.

    Pessimists say, the arena is half empty.
    Optimists say, the arena is half full.
    Realists say, find a smaller arena.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: The local news says “thousands show up for Trump rally”.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: Realists say go home and at least try to do the job you were elected to do.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    Dozens, scores….

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    GregB says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Steve Martin did that bit in the 70’s.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @A Ghost to Most: Someone on WaPo said the arena is half empty with 10 minutes to go.

    I guess the Craig’sList ad didn’t attract enough interest.

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    Calouste says:

    @efgoldman: I think a lot of judges are not going to appreciate if someone gets pardoned for contempt of court.

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    @schrodingers_cat: the American media and voters rejected realism.

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    Yarrow says:

    Has this NuremPhoenix rally not yet started? I thought it would be over by now.

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    Sab says:

    @TenguPhule: Three people in the history of the world have been cured of rabies, and two of them had been vaccinated previously. What kind of cure is that?

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    Jay Noble says:

    A thought – 1st IANAL but I’ve seen it come up a few times over the years as a defense, that senators/reps/governors are exempt from arrest while “in performance of the duties of their office” or going to and from a legislative session.

    Now say some clever AG has charges that would hold up in a State court (No presidential pardon available) against Trump. And Trump shows up for one of his “Campaign Rallys” like tonights. It’s being done under the auspices of running for office, not being in office, so couldn’t a couple of nice state patrolmen cuff him and haul him away? Please?

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    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Trump should have spoke up at the time.

    He did. Repeatedly. While displaying what a useless twat he is by shouting ‘Do it!’ without any suggestions how. He did hold at least one pitch session with both houses of congress, but I know the Representatives at the House meeting said he was such an ass some of them decided to vote against because of the meeting. And I think he spent the Senate meeting rambling on about his electoral victory?

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:
    Mostly it was ‘Hillary is a blood-soaked murder-crazed demon bitch who feeds off of slaughter and-‘

    You know what? I don’t even have to get hyperbolic. We were told, here on this blog, repeatedly, that Hillary would immediately start a war with Iran upon becoming president just to prove she’s got bigger balls than any man. And that’s not a paraphrase.

    They were just kind of hoping with Trump. Mainly they figured he had to be better than Hillary, who they viewed with truly deranged hate.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Calouste:

    I think a lot of judges are not going to appreciate if someone gets pardoned for contempt of court.

    Theoretically they’re not supposed to notice, same as they’re not suppose to notice when he slagged judge Curiel last year.
    They are, however, human beings.

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    JWR says:

    Just now on my local CBS news, the people going into the Trump event are being “protected” by honest to God bikers. (Shades of Altamont?) On the other hand, the anti-Trump crowds seem to be huge!

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    rikyrah says:

    see…some of us are just Edjumacated Fools.

    Who the PHUCK saw Hillary as their SAVIOR-except for the Blackademics who wanted to get their hustle on again.

    I can say…without equivocation…

    I can say…without equivocation…

    That Hillary’s choice for Attorney General would NOT have been the KKKeebler Elf.
    That Hillary’s choice for head of Homeland Security would NOT be throwing out people who have lived here peacefully..
    That Hillary’s choice for the EPA wouldn’t be trying to dismantle the regulations for..you know…clean air and clean water…
    That Hillary would NOT have taken us out of the Paris Accords…
    That Hillary would NOT have put in this den of vipers who seem determined to work against the Departments that they head.
    That the State Department would NOT be decimated as it has been under the Secretary of Exxon…
    That
    she would NOT be working to undermine Obamacare, and 30 million people
    would NEVER HAVE HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR HEALTHCARE BEING TAKEN AWAY
    FROM THEM…
    That she would NOT be appointing right-wing judges to
    LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS where they can harm our community for the next 40
    YEARS…

    NONE of what I’ve written qualifies me as thinking Hillary is some WHITE SAVIOR.

    This piece is just insulting.

    And, if you, after all these months, are still peddling the swill that there would be no difference between Hillary and Trump..Your degree isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

    ……………………………………………………………………..

    Hillary Is Not Your White Savior

    Crystal Marie Fleming, Ph.D.

    …………………………………..

    I can’t believe people—especially black people—are still using this
    moment to push a tired, useless narrative about how much better things would have been if corporate Democrats remained in power.

    What a shame.Let me be the one to break the news: Hillary Rodham Clinton is not and never has been our savior. Hillary would not have saved us.

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: Wow. That’s really late for the east coast coverage.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: All the worrying about dronez in the Obama years seems so quaint now. How many FP posts did that get?

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    Yarrow says:

    @JWR: Are you local to it or are the major networks covering this crap?

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    @Major Major Major Major: Actually the majority didn’t, it just didn’t matter because of the electoral college.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven:

    10 est or 10 edt?

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    Yarrow says:

    I’m really growing to appreciate Jim Acosta.

    Why is the president holding a "campaign" rally in Phoenix tonight? There is no campaign.— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 22, 2017

    Exactly.

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    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I don’t even have to get hyperbolic. We were told, here on this blog, repeatedly, that Hillary would immediately start a war with Iran upon becoming president just to prove she’s got bigger balls than any man. And that’s not a paraphrase.

    Dodged a bullet there…

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    @Baud: Also, Pooh widdle Snowden.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Yarrow: There is always a campaign. Right now, it’s mostly a campaign to convince Donald Trump that everyone doesn’t hate him.

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    @SiubhanDuinne: Don’t know, but AZ is always on Standard Time. As a then resident once told me “we don’t mess with our time”.

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    efgoldman says:

    OT, but…
    Deadliest Catch is one of my guilty pleasures.
    Every once in a while they show a search and rescue by the Coast Guard. The Coasties keep having to do more and more with less and less budget, including a fleet that is decades old. I have incredible respect for them.

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    @Yarrow: He declared for re-election on his first day on the job. This way the campaign can pay for everything.

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    NoraLenderbee says:

    @GregB: Can the Goopers do that to asswipe?

    srsly–yay, India.

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    @Yarrow: I think Trump filed paperwork to establish a campaign committee for 2020. I assumed it was a way to raise money and use it as a slush fund since he can no longer use his “charity” that way.

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman: Have you seen The Finest Hour? Also “The Great Deluge” by Doug Brinkley has some great CG stories related to Katrina.

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    Yarrow says:

    @raven: Ugh. Seeing that written out like that makes me queasy. No, I’m not going to watch that idiot.

    @Matt McIrvin: True. Maybe Trump registering to run in 2020 on inauguration day (another norm gone) is going to bring attention to our endless campaign. I keep thinking Trump is steamrolling over so many norms and traditions that it might lead us to actually put some of them in law so future presidents can’t do what he’s done and doing.

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    JWR says:

    @Yarrow:

    @JWR: Are you local to it ..

    No, I’m in L.A. (San Gabrial Valley, actually), but my local affiliate has a reporter on scene doing occasional updates. But there’s a multi-level parking structure across the street, and it is CRAMMED with protesters.

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    efgoldman says:

    @raven:

    Have you seen The Finest Hour?

    No, but the description interests me.

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    Yarrow says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: @Iowa Old Lady: I’m aware he did that. But he’s not really campaigning in the traditional way yet. Just collecting money. Slush fund. Money-laundering probably, as usual.

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow:

    Via GOS

    Trump is mapping out a fall fundraising tour that is expected to fill his campaign bank account with tens of millions of dollars. His team has tracked dozens of potential Democratic rivals, a list of names that ranges from Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren to Facebook co-founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg. And his administration has received political advice from a top campaign pollster from his 2016 campaign, who has urged the president to keep up his attacks on the mainstream media. […]

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman: It’s pretty good, not great but pretty good. It’s a true story so that helped (except for the dopey love interest part).

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    @schrodingers_cat: congress is also controlled by republicans. Who managed to win the congressional popular vote for once even.

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    Yarrow says:

    Arizona related

    Margaret Kim is an Asian American. She’s definitely not a Republican. She’s also not… real. But that hasn’t stopped the Arizona Republican party from using Kim, the 1994 sitcom alter ego of living, Republican-loathing comedienne Margaret Cho, as an example of its diverse support.

    The cast photograph of “All-American Girl” is prominently featured on the Arizona Republican Party’s official website with the caption “Asian Americans,” and sits on a page declaring that the political party will never “demand special rights for certain races, push policies that favor members of one group over another, or single out certain ethnic or social groups with the promise of special favors or political privileges.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Why is the president holding a “campaign” rally in Phoenix tonight? There is no campaign.— Jim Acosta

    There was a “campaign” starting January 20, 2017, mere hours after his inauguration. You can look it up.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Baud: Well, he’s going to need the money for his legal bills.

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    Yarrow says:

    @JWR: That’s good to hear. Glad protesters are out in force.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m aware of that, as I said. I knew about it on inauguration day. I still like Jim Acosta’s tweet. It highlights how wrong this situation is.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Holy Shit

    Boston Celtics get Kyrie Irving from Cleveland

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    @WaterGirl:

    Bottom line, the choice between Trump and Clinton wasn’t a difficult one, and anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is full of shit.

    Thank you!

    But her emails.

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    efgoldman says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Boston Celtics get Kyrie Irving from Cleveland

    True??
    I guess that means Isaiah is gone.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Does anyone think Trump is smart enough not to let Putin see Trump’s new Superbowl ring?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Sab:
    Just reading up it looks like 6 people have survived after symptoms of rabies have shown up, with a rather drastic medical regimen. Many people have survived with treatment before symptoms have appeared, with current treatments. Of course they may not have actually contracted rabies from the bite. Rabies is very deadly once symptoms appear, but it is possible to be bitten and survive OK.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @Yarrow: “All-American Girl” was 23 years ago? Holy cow do I feel old.

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    tobie says:

    @Baud:

    And his administration has received political advice from a top campaign pollster from his 2016 campaign

    Can we just say it’s Kellyanne Conway, who apparently is one of the administration’s biggest leakers? She would certainly advise Trump to gin up the attacks on the press.

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    jl says:

    @Yarrow: Can Cho sue to make them take it down?

    But, if not, maybe Dems can start crowing about accomplishments of President Josiah Bartlet?
    GOP can counter with ads condemning the corruption of Frank Underwood, and demanding Dems dissociate themselves.
    Or they can demand that Serina Meyer reveal her political affiliation…

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    @Yarrow: Like everything else these two-bit ratfuck soulless criminals espouse, it’s a premise based on a lie. If pressed, they’ll cling to it tooth and nail until they are forced to deny it, and then make it someone else’s fault it happened at all.

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    Ruckus says:

    @efgoldman:
    There is a Ytube channel called Ship World Series the link is one episode out of nine. It depicts the GC on duty in AK. Not the best written thing I’ve ever seen but they do show a lot of rescues.

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    @Matt McIrvin: That’s not a campaign, that’s a death march.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @efgoldman: yup, Isaiah and next year’s probable lottery pick from the Nets for Kyrie

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    efgoldman says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Isaiah and next year’s probable lottery pick from the Nets for Kyrie

    Hope they got sign and trade. Just having him for a year and gone isn’t worth the pick.

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    efgoldman says:

    @efgoldman:

    Just having him for a year and gone isn’t worth the pick.

    Ah. The Globe story says he’s under contract for two more seasons.

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    El Caganer says:

    The Hair and the Tortoise, indeed. Good shit.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    I’m a lifelong bachelor. But I’ve always felt that giving husbands (but not wives) such a right is outdated and inequitable, and deserves no place in Shariah law, whatever its justification in the Quran or in the Hadith.

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    catclub says:

    @Felonius Monk: If I had responded to that Craig’s list ad, I would make sure to be paid in advance. In cash.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So are the rally goers doing the joint praise of Trump’s ability to look into the sun during an eclipse with NO protection as signs he is the Chosen One yet?

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    No Drought No More says:

    “..that the president seems more interested in exacting revenge against members of his own party than defeating Democrats”.

    You-know-who declared the head of every German forfeit that refused to fight to their death that he might live, too. In fact, so adverse was he to the thought of his own impending doom, that- either for kicks or just to blow off steam, no one really knows- he had his brother-in-law shot for attempted desertion of a death trap, even as the Red Army closed to within short blocks of his bunker. He was no one’s sweetheart as the walls closed in on him, certainly, and neither is Trump today, obviously.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Schlemazel:

    When you see those outfits trimmed in gold and silver with a lot of coins, I was told by a Persian woman tht was because if divorce that way you left with only what you were wearing so you better be wearing some wealth.

    To be fair, that’s why we “enlightened” Westerners put so much stock in engagement / wedding rings. Until quite recently — within living memory, in some places — a woman divorced by her husband got to keep only her “personal possessions”, including any jewelry held in her name. (Many English novels, among them Trollope’s The Eustace Diamonds, were written about the complications of this law.) If a man was asking a woman to give up her job, her sexual autonomy, her potential future offspring, her credit rating et al, he needed to come up with a big enough rock to psychically ‘balance’ the trade-off!

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