From the beginning of the rally…
In this 15+ minute rehashing of remarks – no mention that Trump blamed "both sides" for violence, which was a *critical* piece.
— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) August 23, 2017
The message of this speech is that the media committed the greatest Charlottesville-related crimes, and the victim was Donald J. Trump.
— Binyamin Appelbaum (@BCAppelbaum) August 23, 2017
"And yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage, you see that," Trump adds.
— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) August 23, 2017
That's noteworthy: first time, I believe, Trump has said "antifa"
— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 23, 2017
This isn’t about cleaning up his comments for the general public. Backed into corner, Trump is trying to use Cville backlash to rally base
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 23, 2017
Westyny
Holy s)$t! He’s gone full neo Confederate!
Steve in the ATL
When did Queens become part of the South?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
is it usually pronounced like it’s a Caribbean island?
patrick II
Jonathan Lemire ✔ @JonLemire:
While also avoiding saying “Nazi”.
smintheus
How is that any different from the way Trump has reacted to criticism of his behavior in the past? Who would’ve predicted anything else?
kilo50
It was a startling exhibition of just how extremely dismissive he is of societal and ethical norms he is. Unhinged gets used a lot but this shit show was truly insane. And his followers loved every minute.
Matt McIrvin
@smintheus: BUT THE PIVOT
(((CassandraLeo)))
All together now: Christ, what an asshole.
Omnes Omnibus
After a “presidential” speech yesterday, did anyone expect anything good from tonight?
patrick II
Huckabee Sanders:
Trump:
After Ms. Sanders statement you could be assured that Trump would say something. It’s almost like he takes statements made by his surrogates as a challenge to his opportunity to lie.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Has Trump ruined permanently our system? From now on will presidents just flat-out lie, appeal only to their bases, shit on everything and everybody who crosses them?
Does it return to the previous norm when Lump finally leaves the political stage, with Republicans bitching about tan suits?
TaMara (HFG)
Hmmm, any mention at all of Heather Heyer? I suppose not, since she wasn’t murdered by an “illegal” or brown person.
mike in dc
9% of people surveyed think white supremacist views are “acceptable”. Just a wild guess that approximates to 20% of Republican voters. 10% also identified with the alt right in the same WaPo survey.
opiejeanne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I dunno, but Graham isn’t pronounced Graym.
opiejeanne
Does anyone know what he was babbling about when he mentioned that he attended better schools, got better grades, and lives in a better house including the WH? O’Donell cut away at that moment saying it was obvious he wasn’t talking about anything important.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: No.
Adam L Silverman
@mike in dc: That’s pretty constant with, for instance, the year in and year out polling results for Americans who are anti-Semitic.
scav
@TaMara (HFG): Well, there was all that campaign talk of shooting someone publicly and his base still rallying behind him. Must have been on his bucket list of Presidential accomplishments — he just outsourced the actual killing.
Adam L Silverman
@opiejeanne: Yes, he was telling his audience that he and they were the real elites. Not like the elites they all hate because they’re elites.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
kilo50
@TaMara (HFG): He did mention her as a victim of violence but in a voice that was syrupy sick and clearly indicated he only mentioned her because it was the proper thing to do which of course insulted his personal honor. What a f***kwit.
smintheus
@Steve in the ATL: Trump is afraid that “they” are going to come after his golf course’s memorial to a fake Civil War battle. He cares deeply about all that history stuff. Except the slavery parts – his golf courses don’t have any memorials to slaves or slavery.
JWR
Didn’t watch or hear this “speech”, but this part, from the first Tweet:
.. made me wonder if, (hah!), he ever mentioned the groups he brought up in his scripted remarks from a week ago. My local news clip just showed him saying something about the people responsible for the violence in Charlottesville being thugs, apparently leaving it up to his target audience to figure out who said thugs were. Despite his ignorance, he can be a bit, if you’ll excuse the phrase, “diabolically clever” in a weird sort of way.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@opiejeanne: the petty bitterness of a pathologically insecure man who, having convinced the world he’s a billionaire and gotten into the presidency of the United States of America, still feels the need to brag about the college he went to, fifty years after graduation
and because in this case it works for me, I’ll forgive Matt Yglesias this one bit of Ivy-Preening
Keith P.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I question his fitness for walking.
Caphilldcne
Yeagh, I’m just tuning back in after 3 days without much news. The last thread’s news caused me to crack open my short supply of bourbon but ok. Got back just a few hours ago from eclipse watching in TN. 7.5 hour drive turned into 11 and we started late cause we were too exhausted to move. Truck fell over on the highway and we got caught in a 14 mi backup. I know there were injuries. I truly hope everyone made it – spare a good thought for truckers and travelers and anyone who was caught up in this disaster. Traveling with Germans is good. My friends just stay in the moment and we got more time in for catching up. We stood out on the highway and talked for hours. Ecliipse was amazing. Thank you Sweetwater, TN for being lovely hosts and a fine band and good pork BBQ. Reminded me that we are here and this is now. We talked with the neighboring cars and no one flipped out. The only response to disaster is we must be kind to each other when we can. And be patient. We are lucky. My little group all made it to where we should be.
Brutusettu
“And yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage, you see that,” Trump adds.
fwiw. unfortunate coincidence.
“And yes, by the way, (14 words)” Trump adds.
LaNonna
Waking up to see how it all fell out, even with the sound muted, the gold in my fillings is vibrating. Make it stop.
patrick II
Trump got his wish, police shot tear gas at protesters so there will be some hoped for tv videos of “lawless” protesters.
Mnemosyne
I did a big shopping trip to Target and missed the whole sorry spectacle. In happier news, it turns out that Haagen Dazs now makes non-dairy ice cream, perfectly timed for my new attempt at sticking to an elimination diet to figure out what’s causing my IBS. Yay!
cynthia ackerman
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
Republican presidents will continue to say whatever the hell comes into their brain stems without consequence.
Dem presidents will continue to give cautious, measured brilliance and have nothing but diseased harpies shootimg them down.
Quinerly
Probably not that important…Kushner left for the Middle East this AM, right? Did Ivanka go with him? I switched to CNN and the panel is asking if there is anyone to tell him how terrible tonight was? Jared and Ivanka were on vacation when Charlottesville and aftermath came down. There really is never anyone around to challenge him. Obviously, Kelly can’t do it. Or if he has tried, he has failed. Also, odd that Trump is staying over tonight in Phoenix in a non branded Trump property. Just some rambling thoughts. Guess the speech rattled me more than the others…including the BSA one.
bluehill
@Matt McIrvin: He pivoted, but went the wrong way.
Quinerly
@bluehill:
Needed that chuckle. Thanks.
FlipYrWhig
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Especially because he transferred into it. It would be different if he said that he worked hard and got a great opportunity. That might even be brag-worthy. But, not, he wants you to think that he’s pure Ivy League all the way. That is DAMN insecure.
ArchTeryx
@Mnemosyne: That is completely awesome news. Where do you get it??
Milk protein is a major, major trigger of my Crohn’s. I long ago learned to make rice and chocolate pudding from nut milk, but had no idea that Haagen-Dazs now is into the non-dairy treats!
Quinerly
@patrick II:
Maybe that’s why Trump is sticking around tonight in Phoenix. He wanted to stick around if there was a riot. It’s almost unheard for him to spend the night on the road, so to speak.
bluehill
@Quinerly: I’m laughing so hard I’m crying or maybe it’s the other way around.
Gemina13
The title of this thread is too dignified for its subject. Then again, Trump has shown again and again he’s deserving of both prison and the gallows, so “Nuremberg” could be prophetic.
(God, I loved that movie. “Judgment at Nuremberg” was a brutal masterpiece.”
Timurid
@mike in dc:
And I’m sure there’s a much larger group who simply see white supremacists as the lesser evil.
From the Tamil Tigers to the Taliban, that’s how extremists make real progress… not by turning the masses into true believers but by convincing them they are the lesser evil.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Quinerly:
I’m sure Gorka will greet him with a grin and a stiffy (if you’ll pardon the expression and image)… Conway will smile and continue producing micro cracks on her phony face.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@ArchTeryx:
Ben and Jerry’s produces about four different flavors as well.
Quinerly
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
Ok, another chuckle here. Maybe I’m not in as bad shape as I first thought.?
LosGatosCA
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
You’ll have to read some stuff from Nixon, Bush II, Cheney, and Romney.
Reagan didn’t lie since he was mentally disabled, but he read lies others gave him to say and just went with his delusions, like being with the concentration camp liberators.
Anyway everything that comes out of any Republican’s mouth that doesn’t specifically contain hate is a lie. The hate is honest everything else ranges from willful ignorance to raving lunatic lying.
If it wasn’t for lying they’d have very little of substance to talk about during a National Review cruise.
danielx
@Omnes Omnibus:
For his audiences with his base, “presidential” speeches are boring. They don’t want to hear any shit about policy or coming together as Americans or any of that, particularly in regard to people they don’t regard as real Americans and some cases don’t regard as human. Trump knows what they want and gives it to them. Whether it makes any sense to people not under his spell is irrelevant, because he is not interested in talking to them or listening to them.
Quinerly
@bluehill:
I’ve done that. Usually the latter.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gemina13: Best thing Monty Clift ever did.
Gin & Tonic
Here outside Berchtesgaden (where my insomnia has adapted to the time zone) they actually know how to deal with an ugly history appropriately.
danielx
@patrick II:
Well, he does need to keep in practice, and keep his underlings on their toes.
Although at this point I do wonder why there haven’t been wholesale resignations. Being on the bridge with Captain Queeg during a storm that goes on forever has got to be wearisome.
Suzanne
I’m home from protesting outside the convention center. Everything was going swimmingly until I heard two explosions–either teargas or flashbangs. I left, as did most people. God, it was hot as balls.
Frankensteinbeck
@Suzanne:
People were worried about you! I mean, not me, obviously, since I am a creature of hate and curmudgeonliness, but there have been wide rounds of people hoping you’re okay.
Quinerly
@Suzanne:
Glad you checked in. Good work. Get some rest.?
Mnemosyne
@ArchTeryx:
It seems to be exclusive to Target right now. It turns out that one of the Targets near me (Burbank Empire Center, for locals) has a really great selection of allergy foods (dairy-free, wheat-free, etc) now that they finished remodeling.
I just finished a scoop of the one I linked to — it was pretty darn good! It was between an ice cream and a sorbet, texture-wise, but surprisingly creamy.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
The next few weeks aren’t going to be fun, as one of my co-workers just quit with no notice and we have to cover his shifts. I’m working 10pm-6am tonight and tomorrow, 2pm-10pm on Friday, and back to work 6am-6pm Saturday and Sunday. Apparently, I’m the only one who’s willing to be flexible, because I’m the only one getting bounced between shifts for the next three weeks; the other two guys are at least working consistent hours if not consistent days.
The last time someone quit, it took the central office four months to get someone new in, plus the three weeks you have to train before you can work solo. I’m really hoping it doesn’t take that long this time around.
Suzanne
@Frankensteinbeck: Well, thanks, y’all. I was really on the fence about attending, but fuck fear.
Biggest risk was heat exhaustion. 107 ain’t no joke.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Suzanne: But it’s a dry heat.
Mnemosyne
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
I saw those as well, but I’m having to avoid other stuff in addition to dairy, so the Haagen Dazs was more suitable.
(I don’t want to have to try and explain the whole FODMAPs thing tonight, but there are a bunch more ingredients beyond milk that I have to avoid.)
Ladyraxterinok
@Steve in the ATLWeren’t there violent anti-draft riots in NYC in
the Civil War?
:
jl
@Suzanne: You have a personal thanks from me for showing up at the protest, especially in such hot weather. Glad you got back home OK.
Did you ever find out what the noises were? I don’t see anything in the news about problems, but I’ve been out all evening.
Trump’s remarks seem insane and incoherent, from the video clips and excerpts I’ve read.
Suzanne
@jl: The two explosions that were by me (on 3rd and Monroe in front of St. Mary’s Basilica) were apparently flashbangs. Teargas canisters were released near 2nd and Monroe. I left once I heard the flashbangs, because I have experienced teargas before and I would like to avoid repeating the experience.
I didn’t see any violence, but an officer did yell at us not to throw water bottles. I heard that a couple of people threw rocks and water bottles full of piss at the cops, but I didn’t see it. Everything I saw was very peaceful.
jl
This was a choice remark.
“And yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage, you see that,” Trump adds.
I for one don’t want to erase any history. I think everyone needs to understand the history of the end of Reconstruction, Jim Crow and the attack on black freedmen’s civil rights. I want that remembered, even if means keeping some of those mass produced Jim Crow era Confederate monuments around, next to monuments commemorating the people who suffered under Jim Crow and the lynch law. I don’t want history distorted by keeping those Confederate monuments up under false pretenses, being used as a political weapon against further progress in civil rights.
jl
@Suzanne: I just got back, but see no big news about violence. So, I guess whatever happened was minor news compared to Trump’s ravings.
Darkrose
@Mnemosyne: The FODMAPs thing is complicated. I’ve been having stomach issues, and my doctor gave me a handout on it.
Tenar Arha
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah. The problem with this is simultaneously that the school doesn’t matter anymore when you’re 70, while it must still sting like heck that he couldn’t get into some male ivy like Harvard, Princeton, Columbia or Yale at the time, no matter how much money his father had to buy him a place. (Best he could do was Penn, which IIRC would have been thought a 2nd tier university in the mind of a Queens borough boy).
ETA Heck IMHO I went to a better ivy & grad school than he did ?
Suzanne
@jl: The fucking POS AZ Republic is all like “Protests turn violent at Trump rally!”. Meanwhile, every person who is injured in the photos is exhausted from the heat, or affected by teargas. I am sure there’s going to be handwringing from the douchebags about supposed violence, but FAKE NEWZ.
jl
Problem with the Confederate monuments is that if they were properly displayed in a way that did inform and celebrate the real history, that would probably enrage the white bigots even more than removing them. If any commenters here have to associate with ignorant bigots, I’d be interested to hear what there reaction would be to the following proposal. Keep most of the monuments up. The ones that were erected between, say, 1890 and 1965, the reason they were put up should be very prominently displayed next to the statue. Not some crummy little plaque but I big museum style explainer, with pictures, that is comparable size to the statue. Most of the time, that explainer will say that the monuments was put up to celebrate the restoration of 100 percent white political control of government long after Reconstruction was over. Put up a counter monument that celebrates Juneteenth, and commemorates the contribution of the slaves, and the sacrifices and persecution, and accomplishments of the black freedmen. Make it a little outdoor museum. I’d be curious what their reaction would be to that proposal.
jl
@Suzanne: I haven’t heard anything in news here about violence at the protests. Stories say ‘mostly peaceful;’ and that protesters ‘braved the heat’.
Suzanne
@jl: OK good. Our local media are being shitty. 48 people had heat exhaustion or heatstroke.
Anne Laurie
@Suzanne:
But I’ve been told it was a dry hate!
Seriously: Glad you’re home safely — and hope that remains true for all the other Phoenicians out there.
Suzanne
@Anne Laurie:
I’m so sick of dry heat jokes, I can’t even tell you. It’s so hot. It sucks so hard.
jl
If anyone knows a serious white supremacist or white heritage aficionado, tell them you actually want to see more Confederate statues. Say you want to see monuments to General James Longstreet. After the Civil War Longstreet lead the mixed race state militia and defended the state capitol from an attack of several thousand white supremacist paramilitary troops. IIRC Longstreet went to negotiate with the attackers, and they shot and captured him (very honorable and chivalrous, huh?).
So, say you will offer a trade, take down a Confederate statue, and put one up of Longstreet. As far as I know, there is not one statue of Longstreet in the whole South. Which is a funny coincidence. I think the average white bigot would be puzzled, but I am curious how a knowledgeable Confederate Heritage aficionado racist would react. Probably with outrage.
IIRC, Longstreet is the Judas in Confederate Heritage mythology. Only thing they have against him is silly, that he told Lee that his plan at Gettysburg wouldn’t work, and he advised Lee to forget the frontal charges. But I think the real problem is that Longstreet was willing to work with Reconstruction governments, and was willing the lead armed black militia men, and is viewed as a race traitor by the Confederate Heritage racists.
They aren’t interested in history, they are interested in propaganda. So, Trump is a perfect ally. He loves propaganda and bullshit.
Edit: forgot to say that Longstreet survived the wounds and lived the rest of his life as an outcast in the South.
Mnemosyne
@Darkrose:
It’s totally non-intuitive and you have to read every. single. label. Who knew that everyone was putting inulin in their damn gluten-free bread?!?
If you haven’t yet, take a look at the Monash University website — they’re doing the majority of the original research on FODMAPs. They also have a great iPhone/Android app that’s pretty cheap for what you get — they’re constantly updating their food database with more information, and they’ve made it more user-friendly for non-Australians.
I’m doing an online course with a Canadian dietician named Stephanie Clairmont right now — if it’s good, I’ll let you know. I think I still have your email address from the cat cafe?
opiejeanne
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Yeah, it’s a dry heat but anything above 105 just makes my skin hurt.
fuckwit
@Timurid: That’s certainly how Hitler did it. “You’re either with us or with the Communists….” and with that most of Germany reluctantly chose what they thought was the lesser evil.
Anne Laurie
@Ladyraxterinok:
Yes, there were. But Trump would’ve approved, since one group of “violent immigrants” (the Irish) ended up clearing a lot of valuable Manhattan real estate of “Negroes”. Not one of my people’s finer moments, to say the least.
(Family lore is that my maternal grandfather’s grandfather was the lineage’s first American citizen… because he was paid to emigrate in return for taking an American-born citizen’s place in the draft. And here you thought Dubya’s minions invented that particular troop-staffing maneuver!)
Major Major Major Major
I assume the people who were here yelling at us for ever even thinking the words ‘alt-left’ after Trump said it, are not currently yelling at themselves for supporting ‘antifa’ now that Trump has said it.
jl
@Suzanne: Whatever happened, the news clips and articles seem to think what Trump said was far more newsworthy than anything else that happened.
Frankensteinbeck
@jl:
What do they think he said?
Darkrose
@Suzanne: I live in Sacramento. I hear you. At a certain point it’s just fucking hot.
Petorado
Don’t know if anyone posted this on other threads, but former front pager FDB has called it quits to blogging due to serious mental health reasons. It sounds bad and not a fate to wish on someone who may have meant well but certainly earned the ire of a good many with his posts.
jl
@Frankensteinbeck: I’m watching and listening and reading the same national news pieces you can. General message I get from the news is that Trump said a lot of weird shit.
Edit: I was out all evening, and the way things are going, I get a little nervous when I know Trump or Trumspters are set to do something in public and I re-enter the realm of news reports. I’m just glad nothing bad happened at the protests, or Trump didn’t get a bug up his ass and declare war.
opiejeanne
@Darkrose: Sacramento? Dry heat? I thought you had miserable humidity.
prostratedragon
@Gemina13: Don’t forget all that Triumph of the Will stuff years before the trials. In fact, explains why the trials were there and not Berlin. Toothpick seems obsessed by those upside fantasies, per this evening it seems.
(I didn’t follow it. Had some household matters, and listened to this: “Junnonen (flute) & Kumela (guitar) / Piazzolla – Histoire du Tango”).
Major Major Major Major
@Petorado: I saw that. It’s too bad that it’s happened to him, of course, but I won’t miss his writing. And I don’t think that he meant well with a lot of what he wrote.
FlipYrWhig
@Petorado: He didn’t mean well.
EBT
@Darkrose: I call sacramento the boiling swamp.
@opiejeanne: Yeah the place is mostly marshland from what I can tell.
mouse tolliver
So, like, FYI… If anyone is curious about who Louise Linton was before she became Mrs. Mnuchin, the #hermesscarf-wearing #socialnetworking #influencer, one of her movies (Cabin Fever) is on Showtime right now. It has an 11% rating from Rotten Tomatoes. She sacrificed so much. More than any of us.
NotMax
Someone(s) may have already noted this. Have been out and about, away from intertoobz.
WaPo almost certainly let some lesser ones slide and there are probably others which slipped below the radar, don’tcha suppose? About 5 a day, every day (publicly) is nonetheless a dismal statistic. How many in a non-public setting is anyone’s guess.
President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000
Major Major Major Major
@mouse tolliver: Just looked it up, because I remembered liking that well enough, but I guess I liked the 2002 version and haven’t seen hers.
seaboogie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Nobody on the right knows how to pronounce it, because they don’t understand the concept. Just another useful hate group in their panoply of confusing hatred. Pretty sure they wake up wondering who to hate/align with, and why.
mouse tolliver
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah, I forgot to mention that. She’s in the totally unnecessary remake that nobody asked for and nobody wanted, not the original.
seaboogie
@EBT: True. But its agricultural marshland, v the political variety – even with the pols close by in Sacto.
Gemina13
@Omnes Omnibus: And one of the best dramatic turns I’ve ever seen from Judy Garland. Damn. My brother, who adores her, worked himself into a rage watching her scenes on the stand. I just sat there gutted.
prostratedragon
No, seriously! (Just read some of the previous thread.)
3 Hours of the Heart Sutra
seaboogie
@mouse tolliver: Well, as far as I know, none of us sacrificed our dignity and integrity, so we have to give her that, I guess.
opiejeanne
@seaboogie: When we lived in the SF Bay Area, east bay just south of Oakland, Sacramento was still a pretty sleepy small town type place despite its political importance.
Gemina13
@prostratedragon: It definitely had a delicious irony to it. Although I despair that America will ever have the ability or opportunity to hold its own Nurembergs, either for the Civil War or the genocide of Native Americans.
Triumph of the Will, though, numbs me to the bone. It’s hate and arrogance writ on an epic scale, made into a visual symphony that justifies itself to its true believers by making all bright and glamorous. And watching it, seeing it unfold, and knowing it for what it is makes acknowledging the fact that it is very, very good even more frightening. It’s like acknowledging that a firestorm will kill you, but you’re too mesmerized by the flames to run away.
NotMax
@Gemina13
Maximilian Schell was firing on all cylinders, and then some.
jl
@Gemina13: From pics of the rally I saw, Trump couldn’t even fill up the auditorium. Too much vast empty floor space in the back half, with bored people wandering around aimlessly. Would be interesting to see how Reifenstahl would handle that problem.
Is Werner Herzog doing something on Trump? He should. Just the film maker for it, IMHO.
EBT
@seaboogie: Yeah but when it’s 103 and I am 30 feet from a major waterway, it reallly sucks.
sharl
@Suzanne: Glad to see you got out OK!
I had a browser tab open on Phoenix New Times’ twitter feed, and they seemed to be doing a decent job of reporting from outside the building, at least as far as I could tell from the opposite side of the country.
I don’t know what kind of reputation PNT has locally, but their archives are my go-to site for historical information on the real John McCain, not the bullshit mavericky invention.
J R in WV
@Suzanne:
Industrial furnaces are dry too, and will take the meat off your bones if you get too close! Thanks for going, I know you were apprehensive, glad to hear no big deal beyond the raving lunatic and the heat.
Starfish
@Petorado: I saw that. Did anyone see what he did before he declared this? I am not quite sure, but I saw someone say Freddie accused them of rape, and one of the Intercept dudes legitimized this accusation by retweeting it.
boatboy_srq
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: @patrick II: “Antifa. Sounds Blah. Must be bad.” No recognition at all that it means anti-fascist.
Darkrose
@opiejeanne: Not at all! It’s not desert, but the CA Central Valley is very dry.
Darkrose
@opiejeanne: It was that way for a long time. Now, though, between state government, medical, and tech, plus the cost of living being manageable as opposed to the Bay Area, it’s growing. At least, so my wife tells me, and she’s lived here on and off for most of her life.
Darkrose
@EBT: It really isn’t though, at least not in the summer. There are a few days, usually in September, when you get some humidity, but most of the time it’s 90s-100s and dry.
Jack the Second
First they came for the white supremacists, and I said nothing because I was not a white supremacists.
Then they came for the sexists, and I said nothing because I was not sexist.
Then they came for the anti-semites, and I said nothing because I was not anti-semitic.
Then they came for the homophobes, and I said nothing because I was not homophobic.
And after that, things were pretty nice, because it turns out that not all slopes are particularly slippery, and many optimums lie in the middle of a slope as opposed to at an extreme, and many people are just assholes.
hedgehog mobile
@Suzanne: Glad you are OK. Thanks for checking in.
Grung_e_Gene
@opiejeanne: better than Obama…
opiejeanne
@Grung_e_Gene: He was comparing himself to Obama??? He said he went to a better school and got better grades. Since when is Penn better than Harvard?
Mel
@Suzanne: Relieved that you are safely home!
EBT
@Darkrose: Again, live 30 feet from a major waterway. It’s pretty moist here usually.