His Life is Over!

This story about a Nazi who lives in a bedroom suburb of Rochester, Honeoye Falls, is tragicomedy:

“No Nazis in our neighborhood,” read the words emblazoned in large, bold type across the tops of the fliers, which also show a picture of a group of demonstrators carrying tiki torches on the campus of the University of Virginia at Charlottesville the night of Aug. 11. One man carrying a torch near the bottom right corner of the image is circled.
The fliers identify the circled man as Jerrod Kuhn and claim that he is a “leading figure with the Daily Stormer, an avowedly neo-Nazi website around which local groups have been organizing to promote anti-Semitism, white supremacy and violence against LGBTQ communities.”
Speaking early Wednesday afternoon outside his Honeoye Falls residence, Kuhn staunchly denied being a neo-Nazi, calling the assertion “a crazy accusation.”
“I’m not a neo-Nazi. I don’t belong to a German workers’ party from 1933,” he said. “… I’m a moderate Republican.”

I guess that settles it. The swastika was just a decoration. The whining continues:

Kuhn said the fliers have ruined his life and that, after they were posted around the village, he and members of his family have received death threats. Law enforcement has been made aware of the threats, said Kuhn, but he thinks he’ll probably have to move out of the area.
“I can’t live in this community anymore. I’m in the process of figuring out what I’m going to do,” he said. “I’m 21 years old and now my life is over in this area.”

I don’t condone death threats, but I do want to point out that his life is not over in the same way that Heather Heyer’s is.






234 replies
  1. 1
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Snowflakes and cucks. The lot of them. Losers all. Cowards all.

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    Baud says:

    I recommend self-deportation.

    I’m a moderate Republican.”

    Kudos to the Nazi for speaking the truth.

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    trollhattan says:

    “I’m not a neo-Nazi. … I’m a moderate Republican.”

    You can be both simultaneously, Skippy.

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    Catherine D. says:

    Go, Honeoye Falls! I am somewhat surprised.

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    Stacy says:

    Here’s his buddy from the rally who came back to my hometown to punch an 80 year old man as he pumped gas into a container. Told police that he thought the man was a communist and was going to blow something up with the gas.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    If he thinks moving out of the area will solve his problems, he’s got another think coming. Google is forever, Nazi scum.

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    Baud says:

    Have young people not seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

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    No One You Know says:

    Nailed it, mister mix.

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    danielx says:

    “I’m 21 years old and now my life is over in this area.”

    Gosh, it really sucks to be terrorized in your own home, doesn’t it now?

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    Yarrow says:

    “I’m not a neo-Nazi.“… I’m a moderate Republican.”

    Let’s make the Republicans own these people. They march with Nazis and claim they’re only moderate Republicans. Because they are. Make the Republicans own it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Yarrow: The GOP has been cultivating them for 50 years. They created this monster; Trump is the logical outcome of their efforts. Like German industrialists and the Junkers, they thought they could control the monster for their own ends. They were wrong. They own this. They built it. It is theirs.

    All for some tax cuts.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    It’s fun to laugh at crying Nazis, but it’s starting to feel like all these “poor me” stories are part of a deliberate propaganda campaign. They’d have us believe Nazis (poor misunderstood white men) are the real victims, and the whole system is rigged against them.

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    Baud says:

    @mouse tolliver: Meh. Still laughing at crying Nazis.

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    khead says:

    @Baud:

    Yes, it’s just that the Charlottesville assholes preferred the book burning scene from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @mouse tolliver: Eh, I don’t think so. It’s important to these people that they can come out into the open — they want and need the respectability associated with that. But if they get outed and shunned every time they do it …. that alone causes lots of the shyer and maybe less-committed nazis to decide to stay in the shadows, and -that- is bad for their movement. B/c makes them look even smaller than they already are.

    What’s the opposite of embolden? DISHEARTEN! YES! We want them disheartened.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    I don’t condone death threats, but I do want to point out that his life is not over in the same way that Heather Heyer’s is.

    If he wants this all to stop, all he has to do is apologize and do some high-profile things to improve his image.

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    Baud says:

    This post is great. Especially the picture.

    http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblo.....erian-slip

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    Yutsano says:

    Counterpoint: this piece from the cousin has a lot of good questions in it.

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    Mike J says:

    Sign at the NOLA protest: “Destroy his horcruxes”
    https://twitter.com/AmyKNelson/status/898995621117534209

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    Baud says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Or he can stay on this path and win the Republican nomination for president.

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    efgoldman says:

    Once again we remind a dipshit: ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, ASSHOLE.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Poor iddle broflake didn’t realize you can only get away with that level of assholery if you’re rich. If not, you face the social consequences just like everyone else.

    Interesting that he’s not even denying he was there, just trying to claim that marching around with a torch chanting “Jews will not replace us” doesn’t make him, like, a Nazi.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @mouse tolliver: Maybe it might have worked some before Charlottesville. But now? Heather Heyer’s death reminds us of the fact that even socallled “nice Nazis” kill people. And that Friday night? It was #Antifa activists that helped drive away those torch-wielding thugs-and those torchwielders would have doubtless killed somebody if they had a chance to do so. They want to claim they are persecuted, but we’ve seen the pictures of them running over and beating people. And some people are still in the hospital and one is still critical.

    So we tell them to spare us the tears.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Baud:
    Yeah, really. It’s too much to ask for RWNJ to reexamine their beliefs and try to make amends most of the time. I bet Kuhn is safely esconed in a victimhood complex as we speak. He likely won’t change.

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    patrick II says:

    It is interesting that the Nazi interviewed on the Vice video said that Charlottesville was their attempt to come off the internet and to make people understand they were real — the march was a real world manifestation of a presence that already existed on the internet. Guess what. On the internet you get to stay anonymous. In the real world you don’t — and we don’t like you too much. Deal with it.

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    @Betty Cracker: maybe they’ll start their own gated communities. I do sometimes think we’re headed for Snow Crash.

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: ETA:
    They could even call their new neighborhood the ‘Victimhood Complex’!

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    OT, but did you see this? LMM in all his glory.

    ETA: h/t Bystander

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    Mike J says:

    @Major Major Major Major: It wasn’t that long ago[1] that I would have jumped at the chance to harpoon a car to skitch on my skateboard.

    [1] in geological time

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    Baud says:

    @patrick II: That sad feeling when you realize that 90% of your Nazi friends on twitter were bots.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yes, of course. But having a Nazi claim he’s just a “moderate Republican” is an opportunity. An opening to really tie moderate Republicans to Nazis. We need to take every opportunity that’s presented to make them own it. They have been stoking this dangerous crap for half a century. Make them own it.

    I mentioned taking advantage of this moment by tying white supremacy to Republican policies like voter suppression. Just saw this from Russ Feingold linked over on Cole’s Twitter feed.

    The lesson from Charlottesville is not how dangerous the neo-Nazis are. It is the unmasking of the Republican party leadership. In the wake of last weekend’s horror and tragedy, let us finally, finally rip off the veneer that Trump’s affinity for white supremacy is distinct from the Republican agenda of voter suppression, renewed mass incarceration and the expulsion of immigrants.

    There is a direct link between Trump’s comments this week and those policies, so where is the outrage about the latter? Where are the Republican leaders denouncing voter suppression as racist, un-American and dangerous? Where are the Republican leaders who are willing to call out the wink (and the direct endorsement) from President Trump to the white supremacists and acknowledge their own party’s record and stance on issues important to people of color as the real problem for our country?

    Words mean nothing if the Republican agenda doesn’t change.

    Make them own it.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @efgoldman:

    Once again we remind a dipshit: ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, ASSHOLE.

    The saddest part of all of this? If he just came out and admitted to his beliefs (instead of trying to deny), apologized profusely, renounced them, and did some goodwill gestures, his life would improve with time.

    But it’s unlikely he’ll change. He’s a victim and that’s that. He knows he’s right and everybody else is wrong. One day they’ll all pay and he’ll be on top.

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    MCA1 says:

    I call bullshit on the receipt of death threats, too. In my experience, in addition to being prissy little snowflakes, these kind of bros are almost invariably massive liars. He just wants sympathy and to ring up the both sides bullshit to drown out everyone forcing him to see they hate him and think he’s pathetic. Just like their dear leader.

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    Hal says:

    Anyone else have white friends making vague Facebook posts about the end of free-dumb and “our” history? Like just be straight and say what you mean. A guy I went to high school with over 20 years ago thinks the American flag is next!

    I’m honestly amazed at the number of hip hop loving, Tupac worshipping white guys I went to high school with that turns out are Trump loving wannabe lovers of the confederate flag. But hey, how about another MLK post that’s aimed at anti-racism protesters instead if the white supremacists.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    @Baud:

    The LGM article–with the great picture!–has a screen capture of a Tweet:

    The President of the United States has some thoughts on the subject he wishes to share:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    Our great country has been divided for decades. Sometimes you need protest in order to heel, & we will heel, & be stronger than ever before!

    1:34 PM – 19 Aug 2017

    Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America.

    The spelling was corrected by 3:41 PM, but, man! This man needs an editer.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Yarrow: Really glad to see someone is already all over the fact that lots of self-styled “moderate Republicans” are Nazis.

    Own it, indeed.

    Another thing these guys have in common with the real thing is a mindset that enjoys dishing out the worst that inhumanity has to offer and then going all snowflake at so much as criticism being blown back on them. This guy should have had to face the Soviets with one of those hand-held anti-tank things circa 1945.

    Cue the weeping Nazi when told of the outstanding warrant.

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    trollhattan says:

    @MCA1:
    Yeah, it reminds me of crappy restaurants that go out of business while the owners blame the minimum wage, not that their food/restaurant was crappy and three new places opened in the same neighborhood. Hey, they’re still in business, how’s that possible?

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    patrick II says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    this man needs an editor

    No, I think he meant for us to actually heel.

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    trollhattan says:

    @BC in Illinois:
    Heh, every jackboot needs a face to stomp–feel the heel!

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    Ian G. says:

    Yup, this guy is made of the same stuff as a certain Austrian corporal who was seriously wounded twice in World War I and was thrown in prison for trying to topple the Bavarian government. I’m sure Kuhn would be more than happy to freeze to death on the Russian front for the glory of blood and soil.

    Pathetic snowflakes, every last one of them. In a way, I respect ISIS fighters more, since at least they’re willing to die for their demented, hateful cause.

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    Hal says:

    http://nymag.com/selectall/201.....-nazi.html

    The Ironic Nazi exists in part because the internet minimizes friction. Friction includes anything that might stop someone from using a particular service; things like having to create a user account, tying that account to an email address, filling out a CAPTCHA, filters that prevent obscene messages from being sent or published, or even long load times. By reducing the mental overhead required for publishing, it becomes easier to act without thinking. Online platforms benefit significantly from this approach, meant to lower inhibitions. Making it easier for people to share and post means making it easier for people to share and post heinous things. It’s why 4chan, which does not require an account, and Twitter, which limits the verbosity of what people say, are thought of as potent breeding grounds for the Ironic Nazi.

    The rise of frictionless, anonymous spaces has been an important test for the strength of free speech, because they remove the friction that the real world insists upon — anything from the difficulty of finding a wide audience for your racist pamphlet to the social consequences of spouting hate speech. White nationalists hiding behind the label of “troll” — like Weev, Baked Alaska, Millennial Matt, and their thousands of anonymous comrades — can spout shit online with no work or investment, and when called on it, dance away with more jokes or claims that it’s all just talk. It’s why horrible stances are framed as “satire” or “social experiments” when the blowback happens. After all, you can’t definitively prove the intentions of an anonymous online comment, and there are a lot of bored teenagers (and adults) operating with impunity.

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    I’m keeping an eye on the protests in Vancouver today. Canadians have a very different concept of ‘chaos’ than Americans.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Baud: double SLAM

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    G was watching it with me and his jaw dropped. 😂

    I’m pretty sure they were wearing CBS and state of California-approved undergarments of some kind, though. They’re very common on movie sets.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: it was very, VERY important that the family in the cardboard box next door not have a sparrow to roast, nor an old curtain rod to roast it on…

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Baud:
    That was about what I wanted to add. The guy is not lying, there is no difference between a NAzi and what passes for a moderate Republican these days.

    Only a moderate Republican would travel over 600 miles to stand shoulder to shoulder with Nazis and the KKK

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I think it’s a counterpoint to the Nazi Bro, not to mistermix.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    @patrick II:
    @trollhattan:

    You may both be rite.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Hal:

    when called on it, dance away with more jokes or claims that it’s all just talk. It’s why horrible stances are framed as “satire” or “social experiments” when the blowback happens.

    Which makes it really clear that 1) they know their views are wrong and repugnant to the huge majority of the population 2) They want to hide behind all that shit, rather than standing strongly on their alleged beliefs.
    IOW, a bunch of 14 year old boys.

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    sdhays says:

    @BC in Illinois: An editor would simply polish his disgusting turds. To end our supply of said turds, he needs to be retired to a different publicly funded house where his access to Twitter is severely restricted. Preferably one with bars…

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yes, I gathered that, but it’s pretty funny nevertheless.

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    @Hal: thanks for the link, I like the excerpt.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    I keep thinking of the scene in Kill Bill where Uma Thurman kills all these bad dudes except for the youngest one, who is obviously scared out of his wits, and she puts him over her knee and spanks him, yelling “That’s what you get for hanging around with yakuza!!”

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Baud:
    Well the President wants us to heel so there is that

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    The spelling was corrected by 3:41 PM, but, man! This man needs an editer.

    Give him a break. Gen. Kelly has fat fingers.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Baud:

    Have young people not seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

    Or played *any* of the Wolfenstein games?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yutsano:

    Excellent piece. Thanks for posting it.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    I’m not a neo-Nazi. I don’t belong to a German workers’ party from 1933,” he said.

    I like the lawyering part–but he gets that wrong too. So he’s trying to say, “Technically I’m not a Nazi, because I don’t belong to the 1933 Nazi party.” A distinction without a difference, of course. But the first part “I’m not a neo-Nazi” doesn’t go with the second part of the sentence.
    He wants to have a lawyer get him off on a technicality, he needs a better lawyer.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @hueyplong:

    Cue the weeping Nazi when told of the outstanding warrant.

    “The Weeping Nazis” would be a good name for….

    Never mind. Nothing with the word “Nazi” in it is a good name for anything.

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    @Baud: Was that the one with the racist tripe of Indians eating monkey brains? And it had a scenery chewing Amrish Puri?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @mouse tolliver: What I’m seeing more of is conservatives whatabouting away about Stalin’s atrocities, which they evidently think bear the same relation to Democrats that Nazis bear to Trump.

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    Gelfling 545 says:

    @patrick II: or heil.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodingers_cat: No, I think that was the second one.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Mnemosyne: It was indeed. My attention got diverted elsewhere and I didn’t get the chance to amend it.

    @SiubhanDuinne: That gutted me. It tells me (and all of us) that we’re not doing enough. We did let racism get tied in to economic anxiety to the point it could be used as a club against the Democrats. We need to start making the hard changes, acknowledging the hard work, and oh fuck do Democrats need to start voting. In EVERYTHING, No more of this every four years bullshit.

    (Preaching to the choir I know)

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Thoughtful David:

    By “I’m not a neo-Nazi” he means that he can’t do “bullet time”.

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    Hoodie says:

    @Hal: The funny thing is how many of these losers are from places that have nothing to do with “confederate heritage,” like that clown Stewart in Virginia, who’s originally from Minnesota. Here in NC, a lot of the conservative leadership are transplants. My family’s roots go back to the Cumberland plateau and the 18th century, but my aunt neatly summarized our “heritage” by saying “yeah, we come from 17 generations of hillbillies.” This neoconfederate crap is the type of kitsch that Kundera writes about, a sentimentalist denial of the shitty, poverty stricken existence of the south until the New Deal. My grandfather started working in the coal mines at 13, died a miserable death from black lung and emphysema at 70, a bitter racist asshole to the end. Screw that heritage and any assholes who try to glorify it.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @Baud:

    Have young people not seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

    Don’t have time. Too busy watching PewDiePie videos and LOLing about killing Jews.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @BC in Illinois: He needs a shrink. And a keeper.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    No, that was “Indiana Jone and the Temple of Relentless Pointless Gore and Nasty Stereotypes”. That had a real 1940s pot boiler serial ring to it.

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    Yarrow says:

    These assholes really seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom from consequences of said speech.

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    JPL says:

    @BC in Illinois: This is the first tweet .. We’ve been divided for decade…
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/899001860639641600

    I would hate to babysit for that twat.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Yarrow: http://www.xkcd.com/1357

    I’ve had to use this URL so much it’s seared into my memory.

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    ThresherK says:

    @JGabriel: Have you seen the Wolfenstein add-on where the player has to go thru a bunch of dialog boxes exhorting him to try reasoning with Nazis?

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @efgoldman: Yep. That’s not what they learned on the internet though. Even though these guys grew up online and should be fully aware that Facebook & the rest of the Internet are forever, they don’t know that actions have consequences. These are the guys that never learned that their speech and their actions do have consequences because they’ve never worried that something they said on the interwebs would get them banned, or doxxed, or worse, even if it did break a service’s TOS. In fact, they’re more used to getting activist accounts who’d tell them to “feck off” locked or banned.

    I find it completely baffling that a there’s a generation of men whose whole lives have been online not realizing they could be surveilled and ID’d and revealed as the vile s-stains they truly are. I mean these are the same guys that email vilest filth to every one of their targeted “SJW” activists identified. (Really makes me think ab how stupid evil can be).

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    @Thoughtful David: yeah, it’s obviously a rehearsed retort, and pretty funny too that he went to the trouble of rehearsing an incorrect one.

    It also sounds like the sort of thing somebody would think scored points on the Internet.

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    Baud says:

    @Yutsano:

    I’ve been saying this for a while now. I’m going to keep saying it because I think it’s important. We white Americans need to do a better job of listening when African-Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers you face every day.

    We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume that our experiences are everyone’s experiences. We all need to try as best we can to walk in one another’s shoes, to imagine what it would be like to sit our son or daughter down and have the talk about how carefully they need to act around police because the slightest wrong move could get them hurt or even killed.

    http://time.com/4411058/baton-.....ranscript/

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    JGabriel says:

    @ThresherK: Have you seen the Wolfenstein add-on where the player has to go thru a bunch of dialog boxes exhorting him to try reasoning with Nazis?

    Jeepers, really? No, I haven’t seen that one.

    Edited to Add:

    @ThresherK: Do you really need violence here?

    Okay, that’s kind of hilarious.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Baud: Yes,
    But her e-mails…
    But the sale of uranium…
    But Benghazi…
    But superpredators…

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    JDM says:

    “I don’t belong to a German workers’ party from 1933,” he said

    TV Tropes classifies this sort of statement as “Suspiciously specific denial”. An example from their Real Life section: Ted Haggard: “I’ve never said that I’m perfect, but I haven’t had sex with a man in Denver.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @mouse tolliver:
    Nope.
    No sympathy. No coddling.
    Grown azz men not expecting the consequences of their actions 😠😠😠

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    Yarrow says:

    Christ, these people.

    alt-righter upset getting doxxed/death threats called me when my family was getting doxxed/death threats to mock me. Put the call online. pic.twitter.com/dRkfSBkXlp— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) August 19, 2017

    Screencaps if you click through.

    At the end of his phone call to me he said, "Hitler did nothing wrong," then started laughing as I hung up.— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) August 19, 2017

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    rikyrah says:

    I am glad that we weren’t subjected to the “lone Wolf” bullshyt with Heather’s killer.
    They.were.never.lone.wolves.

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    debbie says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    “We will heal and be stronger when you march your ass out the door.”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Hoodie:

    Here in NC, a lot of the conservative leadership are transplants.

    Converts are the worst. 😒

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    japa21 says:

    This is what Bannon was referring to when he called the alt-right a bunch of clowns. He was talking about these jackasses. His intent, however, was for people to think these folks make up the totality of the alt-right. The real alt-right, which includes people like Bannon, Miller, Gorka and others, are still working to get their message through and their agenda: reducing non-white immigration, getting AA’s and others off the voter roles, etc. They are the non-clowns who are in positions to do real harm.

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    @japa21:

    They are the non-clowns

    Asserts facts never in evidence

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    Yarrow says:

    @Yutsano: Feel like that should be taught in schools. Put up on the wall in every classroom.

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    @Baud: @Schlemazel: Ah yes that was the Temple of Doom or something similar. BTW do you know that there was a real sanyasi* rebellion in the late 19th century in Bengal, where sanyasis (monks who have renounced the world) took up arms against the British tyranny, which included among other charming tactics, taxing the peasantry into penury and starvation. They worshiped Durga. This rebellion was immortalized by Bengali novelist, Bankim Chandra Chattopadhaya, in his book Anand Math
    India’s other national/patriotic anthem,Vande Mataram (I bow before you, mother) is from Anand Math, it is in Sanskrit and compares India to Durga, the goddess with 10 hands. Its a beautiful poem, and I can understand about 80% of it. Needless to say it was banned by the British. Unlike the current Indian national anthem, its use of religious imagery is why it was not chosen as the national anthem, which I think was a wise choice.

    I find it funny, that a bastardized version of the Sanyasi rebellion ended up in an 80s era American movie, where people fighting for their own country against outsiders literally starving them to death, are portrayed as villains called thugs and demonized.

    *sanyasi == one who has taken sanyas, renounced the world .

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    sharl says:

    @Yutsano: The piece by Heather Heyer’s cousin you linked to is an excellent read. Thank you.

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    Gretchen says:

    @mouse tolliver: This. I’d have thought that a self-proclaimed Nazi sympathizer plowing his car into a crowd of people, killing one and injuring many, would be something that everyone could agree was a Bad Thing. But I’d have been wrong. I can’t believe the both-sides and what-aboutism that the right has applied to this. Ben Sasse had a long Facebook post today that devolved into both-sides are violent. I’d worried about his political smarts, but now I’m thinking anyone who opens the door to sympathizing with Nazis ain’t so smart. He also says many of his constituents are asking him if Robert E. Lee statues have to go, does Washington have to also? He apparently didn’t have an answer for them. Some of his commenters had an answer, but many others are determined that both sides are at fault.

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    ThresherK says:

    @JGabriel: Yeah, it’s a hoot, especially for those of us who remember the original. In the late 80s / early 90s we were looking for real-life enemies for FPS games. Whoda knew Nazis would be no longer acceptable as targets?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    That is a very impressive photo, Billin. Obviously the filters work just fine.

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    @japa21: They are killing America’s competitive edge in science as an added benefit.

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    Dog Mom says:

    Poor little Snowflake has to face chalk on the sidewalk just across the street –

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @patrick II:

    their attempt to come off the internet and to make people understand they were real — the march was a real world manifestation of a presence that already existed on the internet

    “We want people to be scared of us. But it’s not fair to call us terrorists.”

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    khead says:

    @Hal:
    @Gretchen:

    Washington? Jefferson? The latest meme is all about the Jesus statues. WHERE WILL THE LEFT STOP?!?!?!?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yutsano:

    (Preaching to the choir I know)

    Yes, but every word you write is truth, and we are well-advised to keep reminding ourselves, over and over and over again.

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    @khead: I don’t get this new found love for statuary, aren’t Protestants supposed to be iconoclasts, unlike the heathen Hindus or God forbid, the papists.

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    @SiubhanDuinne:
    @rikyrah:
    @Baud: Thanks, I thought the black spots might be dirt on the filter or sunspots. I checked a current solar image(teh Google is your friend) and they’re sunspots.

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    sharl says:

    @Baud: In an overall funny twitter thread, someone took that photo and a couple of others and added the “Ashokan Farewell” background music for the narrated letter home made famous by Ken Burns’ Civil War.

    The last time I checked back on that thread, people were still workshopping the concept, so to speak.

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    debbie says:

    @khead:

    Well, some people want to get rid of a statue of Christopher Columbus, while others want the city of Columbus (OH) to be renamed. I can’t wait to see how this all ends.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Baud: As in LOL great. Thanks for posting. I had seen some comments on his spelling skills, but not the tweet that prompted them. Such a doofus he is.

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    debbie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Are you setting up to take pictures of the eclipse? How were you able to frame that shot?

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    Timurid says:

    “Hey, guys… I think he’s pivoting!”

    From the same people who were in total panic mode at mid week. It never stops. Trump strings together a few gaffe-free days and the MSM goes right back to marking out like 9-year-olds at their first Wrestlemania…

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    @Lapassionara: What a fine specimen of a representative of a superior race.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Well the President wants us to heel to send us all to obedience school so there is that

    FTFY

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    Another Scott says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Nice.

    But it looks kinda spotty.

    ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Dog Mom says:

    The poor Snowflake has to face the horror of chalk across the street! Chalk Walk

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    Schlemazel says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    I am sure there were good people on both sides. ugh it aint funny any more

    I doubt Spielberg knows about the rebellion either.

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    @debbie:

    Are you setting up to take pictures of the eclipse?

    Maybe, just wanted to have everything together and practice a bit. It’s only going to be about 60% here in LA.

    How were you able to frame that shot?

    I shot with a 200mm lens(actually a 50-200mm zoom, set at 200). The sun is still pretty small at 200mm. I, of course, used at tripod since camera shake at 200mm would be pretty evident at any exposure longer than 1/200 second.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    You know I hate you because your pictures make me realize how inadequate my photography is.

    Thanks for sharing anyway

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    @Another Scott: I could take out the sunspots.

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    @Schlemazel: Thanks, alot of digital photography is post(Lightroom and sometimes Photoshop) and shooting in RAW.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Tenar Arha:

    these are the same guys that email vilest filth to every one of their targeted “SJW” activists identified.

    I think there’s a substantial overlap between these guys and gamergaters. Same misogyny, same racism, same thinking they can’t ever be wrong.
    Guess what, kiddies!

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    Ruckus says:

    @debbie:
    I heard those stories about Columbus when I moved there in 94. I’m pretty sure it had been going on for a while before that.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @debbie:

    FWIW, Columbus really only became a big thing when Italian-Americans were socially transitioning to being “white” and not Invading Papist Hordes. I can’t remember when Columbus Day was made a national holiday, but I think it was in the 1930s.

    ETA: That’s why an Italian guy who never even made it to the continent of North America got to be a huge icon for Americans.

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    Gretchen says:

    @sdhays: @sm*t cl*de: @khead: Jsus statues? Really? My brother must not have seen those yet . He’s my window to these folks.

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    hueyplong says:

    I think I read that 1937 was when Columbus Day became a federal holiday.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Amen! But in addition to tax cuts there’s the loving to watch people suffer and die thing.

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    J R in WV says:

    Will take this opportunity to inform all that Paul Allen’s effort has discovered the final resting place of the USS Indianapolis, a Cruiser sank in the final days of WW II. 18,000 feet below the surface. Here’s some details..

    ETA: Even kinda related to anti-fascists…

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    debbie says:

    @Ruckus:

    This is the first I’ve heard of changing the name. Maybe there will be a Name the Dump contest.

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    delk says:

    Keep your eye on the sparrow bro!

    ps That’s a harsh 21 years.

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    ET says:

    Actions have consequences…

    Typical bully- everything is copacetic when he can talk tough with his buddies and do a little (or a lot of bullying) with no serious push back. That changed last weekend and his true color is showing – as a yellow stripe down his back.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    “I’m 21 years old and now my life is over in this area.”

    Life is a bitch, Nazi Boy.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yep, it was an Italian-American outreach thing. Surely these days there are enough actual celebrated Italian-Americans that we don’t need to honor a 15th/16th-century Genoese slaver as a substitute.

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    momus says:

    “I’m a moderate Republican.” Doesn’t that make him a RINO?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    that is one of the things that scares me away from going beyond a single DSLR into a more professional one. she who must be obeyed had a 35 SLR with a lot of lenses and filters and is a tremendous photographer but neither of us thinks we are up to photoshop

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    khead says:

    @J R in WV:

    I wonder how many folks first learned the story of the Indianapolis from Quint?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    I believe it was while FDR was Prez. It was a sop to the Italian community that they probably needed at the time.

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    Another Scott says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Please don’t.

    Just trying to increase your traffic so you get more of the praise you deserve.

    OT: Have you read Heinlein’s ‘Year of the Jackpot’? Kinda prescient, maybe? :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Major Major Major Major:

    I do sometimes think we’re headed for Snow Crash.

    Could we at least have a future with decent prose?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Okay, you guys, I have finally come up with an acceptable excuse for someone who got caught at the Nazi march:

    “I’m an informant for the FBI.”

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    Another Scott says:

    @Mnemosyne: Obligatory (5:24)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    @Schlemazel: Most of the work I do is done in Lightroom and not Photoshop. Mostly just tweaking the highlights, shaddows, clarity, and saturation. I usually sharpen pretty aggressively(some might say too much).

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    Y’know, there’s a simple solution for all these bros who think their life is over because everyone knows they were on the white supremacy side of the demonstration.

    Say “I’m sorry.”
    Say “Yeah, that was a stupid thing to do.”
    Say “Maybe I have something to learn.”
    And then pay attention. They might even learn something.

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    karenmarie says:

    It would be nice if it gave him some insight into what it feels like for the only black family in a white neighborhood, or for a black family trying to rent from Donald Trump or other landlords. No one’s going to burn his family out, as happened to so many black and other minority families.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    there’s a simple solution for all these bros who think their life is over because everyone knows they were on the white supremacy side

    Or just get blind drunk every night. That could work, too.

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    jl says:

    Has anyone explained to him that he can quit being a Nazi and let his friends and neighbors know?
    That could be a plan if he wants.

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    jl says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: You beat me to it. It’s just a two step plan.
    Step 1) Quit.
    Step 2) Tell people you quit.

    Of course, you have to really quit and stop believing that nonsense. OK, it’s a 3 step plan.

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    scav says:

    @BC in Illinois: Well, after he teaches us how to heel, he’ll no doubt work on us sitting, rolling over and speaking on command. Walkies!

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    J R in WV says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Good job!! I tried out my filter day before yesterday, harder than you would think to get that blazing hot ball of fire centered and focused and all. Wish me luck Monday !!!

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    jl says:

    @BC in Illinois: I think that the Nazis and white supremacists know how to ‘heel’ with or without protests.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    I have never heard of that, is it as complex as photoshop?

    I used to have a very nice photo manipulation package that came for free as part of a greeting card software. It did everything I needed very simply but it does not function under newer OS.

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    debbie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’ve never used Lightroom. Is sharpening in Lightroom the same as in Photoshop? If so, you might want to try sharpening in only one channel. I worked in RGB and would only sharpen in the red channel.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @jl:
    How would one quit one’s deeply held belief in one’s own superiority over the mud people?

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    @J R in WV: Good luck on Monday, focusing is a big problem. Try focusing on something far away without the filter on and tape the focus ring with tape to keep it fixed and then put the filter on.

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    Jay says:

    Over 4,000 counter protester’s turned out at City Hall, neighbors opened windows, played party music, cheered the crowd,

    About a dozen Nazi’s* showed up, lasted less than a hour, were escorted away by Police, on in cuffs.

    *(they pretend to be concerned citizens against refugees and immigrants, but Anti-Racist Canada, who’s been tracking and exposing their activities online, shows they are just Nazi’s)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Where?

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    @Schlemazel: Lightroom is from Adobe, same folk as Photoshop. It’s basically the RAW file processor that you get in Photoshop(Adobe Camera Raw) with a nicer interface and cataloging features(keywords, map locations…).

    @debbie:

    Is sharpening in Lightroom the same as in Photoshop?

    No, there’s not a way to sharpen only one channel in Lightroom, you can adjust the tonality on a per channel basis.

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    HRA says:

    USC’s mascot’s name

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Some people do. I’ve heard very inspiring stories of (ex-) white supremacists who did just that. But it’s a very individual process, and it’s hard to replicate.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    First off I am in no way trying to minimize the tragedy of Heather Heyer’s murder, but Charlottesville may turn out to be a tipping point when both decent people and the alt-right/KKK/NAZI douchecanoes that they are opposing,realized what is at stake and what the consequences of these demonstrations [on both sides] are.

    The bigots are really getting the idea that maybe their ideas are not popular, and maybe they should stay in their basements or garages and not parade around in public.

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    chris says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Our local star doesn’t look too healthy. Or you’re testing your eclipse filter?

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Jay: Thanks for the report Jay. Congrats to the people of Vancouver. Believe it or not diversity is valued up here.

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    @chris: That was taken with a solar filter.

    ETA: Those spots in the pic don’t look too good, irregular shape. It’d be good to have a doc check that out, and stay out of the sun.

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    efgoldman says:

    @NorthLeft12:

    The bigots are really getting the idea that maybe their ideas are not popular

    Are they (getting the idea) though? Like fringe wackos on both ends (think leftier-than-thous and purity ponies) they’re convinced that people will really want to buy what they’re selling, if only they knew the truth.

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    fuckwit says:

    Wow, it’s almost like someone was burning a cross on his front lawn and telling him to get the hell out of the neighborhood. Who would do such a thing?

    Oh, wait.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    Neat. You can see some sunspots.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jay: Thanks.

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    @Schlemazel: Forget Speilberg, many Indians have forgotten their own history, allowing the current party in power which sat out the freedom struggle to claim the mantle of patriotism.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Yup, still not sure it’s focused quite right, I didn’t do what I suggested in my comment to JR(set focus and then shoot). I tried to focus directly on the sun.

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    patrick II says:

    I hate to be discouraging, but I follow the Gallup Daily Trump approval poll and it is back up to 38% after a low of 34% last week. Not that 38 is high, but he’s been running around there for about four months now. His followers actually seemto like his both sides (including Nazis) do it response to Charlottesville.
    Also:
    Not a Deal Breaker This time Either is a story from NYT (via MSN) about Trump voters not willing to their minds because of g little Nazism.
    Mueller may be our only chance to be rid of Trump. but I would not under estimate the difficulty of the politics of impeachment, nor the outrage of his followers.

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    Ruckus says:

    @NorthLeft12:
    Wouldn’t it be better if they maybe figured out that their ideas are bullshit? That would be far more effective than hiding. I think it’s why Germany doesn’t hid their history, they make sure that everyone is taught what the nazis were really like. It keeps people from honoring their family history, when that history is indecent. It takes away the responsibility for the family name to be protected by lying. No one is fooled that what the nazi party did was normal or should be honored. We really haven’t done that about slavery here in this country. It’s about time we did.

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    @patrick II:

    Not a Deal Breaker This time Either is a story from NYT

    The New York Times is garbage, it’s not even useful to wrap fish.

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    @Ruckus: I guess we’re more like the Japanese.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @trollhattan: You pretty much have to be both to be a Republican.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @patrick II:

    Mueller may be our only chance to be rid of Trump

    Just a question: If Mueller finds wrongdoing on the part of Trump and his sycophants, can he press criminal charges against Trump even if Congress (if still controlled by Republicans) refuse to impeach Trump? I’m just wondering if Mueller has the power to force Trump out.

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    Ruckus says:

    @patrick II:
    People are funny about finding out that their ideas are bullshit, about finding out that decisions they made are just wrong, especially when that is a pubic thing. Also they are funny about fixing decisions they made even if they can admit to themselves that they were wrong. Don’t know why that is, being wrong is part of living. We all are wrong about some or many things, admitting and fixing those things is a part of being mature. Of course there’s the answer for you, for many, many people, maturity is a state of being they will never come close to obtaining.

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    chris says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’ll send the name of my dermatologist.

    Photoshop is cool and it is what most pros use but may be a bit pricey for some folks.
    Gimp is free software for all operating systems for those who might want to play with photo manipulation before paying for the state of the art.

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    chris says:

    @Ruckus: You remind me of that old saying:
    Often (always) wrong but never in doubt.

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    Ruckus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    Possibly. Germany is an exception in the world, of understanding that trying to marginalize their history would be a horrible mistake. I think that given what the nazis did to their neighbors and the world it would have been a lot different in the second half of the 20th century had they not understood that. Look what not doing the same thing in this country has given us.

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    Ruckus says:

    @chris:
    I’m not always wrong, often I’ll accept though.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @schrodingers_cat:
    OH! I guess there is some comfort in knowing the GOP has branch offices around the world

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Vichy Times has been in T’s corner since he announced. Wasn’t Maggie H gushing about the Mooch. Its a symbiotic relationship.

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    chris says:

    @Ruckus: Phrasing, sorry. I meant your comment not you.

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    @chris: I used to use PaintShopPro, the reason I switched to Lightroom/Photoshop is that there are a lot of resources out there on how to do stuff. There’s not nearly as much for other software. I consider the $10 a month for Lightroom/Photoshop well worth the price.

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    Thoughtful David says:

    Name the Dump contest.

    That’s not needed. He’s already got a name. It’s “Donald.”

    ETA Crap. This was supposed to be a reponse to debbie at #127.

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    Ruckus says:

    @chris:
    That’s OK, it’s what I figured. But I still stand by my response. I’m wrong on a regular basis, has been this way my entire life. Sometimes, even more than my share of wrong. But I at least try to learn from that and move on.

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    chris says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I agree, just thought I’d toss that out because it’s free and because I’m secretly trying to convert everyone to Linux.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Ruckus:

    I’m wrong on a regular basis, has been this way my entire life. Sometimes, even more than my share of wrong

    Don’t be ridiculous. Guys our age are never wrong.

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    chris says:

    @Ruckus: Learn from your mistakes? How… open minded of you.

    I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken ;-)

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    @Patricia Kayden:

    If Mueller finds wrongdoing on the part of Trump and his sycophants, can he press criminal charges against Trump even if Congress (if still controlled by Republicans) refuse to impeach Trump?

    We don’t know. It’s never been litigated. There are a lot of legal people who argue that a sitting president can’t be prosecuted. However, a lot of legal people argued that a sitting president couldn’t be sued in civil court, yet SCOTUS ruled otherwise back in the 1990s. So, maybe.

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    Jay says:

    @patrick II:

    The Republican Base isn’t going to “quit” Hair Twitler over Nazi’s killing Americans in the streets,

    They arn’t going to “quit” Trump over Bannon,

    They arn’t going to “quit” Trump even if a Milita blows up a Daycare,

    The only way they will “quit” Trump is if his failure impacts their lives personally, and horribly, like losing their job, or their house, or the life of a loved one,

    and it’s got to be a direct link between Trump, and their personal disaster, not something vague like an economic collapse.

    Elected Republicans however, are a completely different animal.

    The only way Hair Twitler will be “gone”, is if he quits, Meuller starts to make arrests, or after the 2018 midterms, or if the Elected Republicans decide that Hair Twitler, is one of the reasons why, they can’t get anything done.

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    Ruckus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    I think a lot of people question Photoshop or Illustrator because they used to be horribly expensive and required a fair amount of effort to use properly. I used to use them because of my job and the learning curve was tough, let alone the effort of getting management to purchase them. But get through that and one can do some amazing things. Of course by then you may have forgotten every thing else you once knew. And if your creative juices have dried up or never showed up in the first place you will still be bumfuzzled.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @sm*t cl*de: “We want people to be scared of us. But it’s not fair to call us terrorists.”

    We want people to be scared of us! But they’re *threatening* us instead! WAAAAHHH!!!

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    Ruckus says:

    @efgoldman:
    Good one.
    I do find that people ask me questions some times because there has been a fair amount of water that flowed under the bridge. Either that or they mistook the sound of the toilet flushing.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    There are a lot of legal people who argue that a sitting president can’t be prosecuted.

    A sitting president or VP can’t be removed from office except by congress thru impeachment/conviction or the 25th amendment, or resignation.
    There is nothing anywhere that says they can’t be indicted or otherwise charged. It’s never been tried.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Isn’t Trump around your age?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Jay:

    The only way Hair Twitler will be “gone”, is if he quits, Meuller starts to make arrests, or after the 2018 midterms, or if the Elected Republicans decide that Hair Twitler, is one of the reasons why, they can’t get anything done.

    Or he dies. Hopefully because of his unhealthy lifestyle.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jay:

    Elected Republicans decide that Hair Twitler, is one of the reasons why, they can’t get anything done.

    You made a funny!
    Them not getting anything done is a point of pride, not a detriment. Well they do want to accomplish ruination. And even then the only thing that bothers them is that drumpf is able to take credit for said ruination.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Isn’t Trump around your age?

    About a year younger. Given his lifestyle, I can’t believe he hasn’t encountered some of the same health problems, but apparently he’s got the constitution of a very healthy ox.

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    tobie says:

    @patrick II: I’ve also been following the trend line on Gallup with some alarm. @Ruckus: may be right–it’s hard for people to admit they made a mistake. My own sense is that it’s pretty easy for Trump’s supporters to view him and themselves as being victimized. That’s at least what I see from my perch in red rural Maryland. My neighbors are convinced the elites are out to get him and to get them, too. It’s hard to reason in the face of such unadulterated self-pity.

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    @Ruckus:

    I think a lot of people question Photoshop or Illustrator because they used to be horribly expensive and required a fair amount of effort to use properly.

    You are correct. I don’t own Illustrator, but I subscribe to Adobe’s Photography package which gets you Lightroom and Photoshop. Probably about 95% of what I do is done in Lightroom. I use Photoshop only if I need to do something that requires precision selections and cleaning things up(like power lines) that the tools in Lightroom don’t do effectively.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Bring that up. We’ve been trying to avoid that. Being tagged as about the same age as drumpf, that’s a low blow. Even if we had nothing to do with it.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Ruckus:

    Being tagged as about the same age as drumpf, that’s a low blow.

    Well someone has to be.

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    debbie says:

    @efgoldman:

    Not really. If you can bear to listen closely, he wheezes a lot and seems out of breath.

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    Ruckus says:

    @efgoldman:

    constitution of a very healthy ox

    But the intelligence of one who has been ramming his head into walls for decades. Along with the body of one who eats like shit, or better, eats shit.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Yarrow:

    Make them own it.

    Hear, hear!

    The other Republican candidates absolutely knew what they eventually signed on for/caved to/ etc. McConnell and Ryan were not in the spotlight as much, but… I agree w/everything Feingold said. Thanks for the link.

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    @efgoldman:

    It’s never been tried.

    Agnew was brought up on state charges. His resignation as VP was part of his plea deal.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @NorthLeft12:

    First off I am in no way trying to minimize the tragedy of Heather Heyer’s murder, but Charlottesville may turn out to be a tipping point when both decent people and the alt-right/KKK/NAZI douchecanoes that they are opposing,realized what is at stake and what the consequences of these demonstrations [on both sides] are.

    It sucks but I suppose that’s what they meant by the Tree of the Liberty needed refresh. Until people die the majority is to complacent to deal with the obvious oncoming problem.

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    J R in WV says:

    @chris:

    And GIMP stands for Graphic Image Manipulation Program, not anything else you might suspect. I use it too, on Ubuntu Linux. I barely touch the surface though.

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    Ruckus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:
    I actually used Illustrator a lot more than Photoshop, editing and publishing 5 different rulebooks every year for over a decade. Also used Quark for layout which could go directly to print. Fun times. Not the hardest part of the job, just the most infuriating.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @efgoldman:
    well we know he has the mental acuity of an ox

    EDIT: of course everyone got there first

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    randy khan says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    maybe they’ll start their own gated communities. I do sometimes think we’re headed for Snow Crash.

    If the gates keep them in, I can work with that.

    About the Snow Crash future, all I can say is that I like the Mafia there better than I like the current Administration. (Okay, I also would like the Metaverse.)

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    Jay says:

    @Ruckus:

    They want a lot of things done, that will lead to ruination,

    But as long as Hair Twitler is the POTUS, the Liberty Caucus will not vote for anything that doesn’t lead to immediate ruination,

    And the rest of the Republican’s will never get enough Democrats on board with any “unclean” legislation, to make up for the absence of the Liberty Caucus.

    If the Republican’s want to get any destruction done, before they lose the House, they are going to have to Dump Trump.

    Right now, they still belive that Flynn can “manage” The Donald’s self destructive sabotage of the Republican platform, and become the robo-signing moron they hoped he would be.

    It’s not gonna happen any Flynn’s time is probably measured in Scaramucchi’s.

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    sukabi says:

    @jl: no, I think it’s “heil”…

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    sukabi says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: setting focus to infinity should work.

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    Ruckus says:

    @debbie:
    That’s because he’s as out of shape as an ox that has spent decades doing nothing but ramming his head against walls and using his daddies money to buy his way out of any damage he got caught creating. When that ran low, because he’s been getting deep into trouble his entire life, he sold what little exists of his soul to the most dishonest bidders, the Russians, them being the only ones left that would play. Of course he also thinks he out smarted them, and only a brain damaged moron would think that.

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    J R in WV says:

    @chris:

    So I was checking out at a store, the Wine and Cheese shop the other day. The young woman had to reboot her counter-top machine, and fussed about Windows. I told her that I used Ubuntu, and she said Me Too!!!

    We are winning, it is inevitable.

    Another thing. I was watching TV a little while ago, wife had it on her laptop while I was fixing dinner… We’ve both been following the fascist white supremacist riots (hahah) on the news. I noticed that commercials, as they have for years now, continue to feature Black, Asian, and generally non-white actors selling, well everything. They wouldn’t do this if their marketing research, upon which they spend jillions and zillions of dollars, showed that more people don’t buy from multi-cultural ads than buy from white-only ads. The fascists and white-supremacists have lost the cultural wars, totally. Money talks and nazi bullshit walks away.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jay: Flynn was out in February. I think you mean either Kelly or McMaster.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Jay:
    Well I’m hoping the entire house of toilet paper cards folds. I say toilet paper cards because the entire mess is flimsy and has the consistency of and desirability of used toilet paper. As we have no safeguards other than the voters (and look how well that’s turned out over time) in selecting and overseeing our representatives to govern us, this will be a fucking disaster. Not as bad as it would be if it doesn’t fold but a disaster none the less. Maybe we can learn from this.
    Oh man, my turn to make a funny.

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    Ruckus says:

    @J R in WV:

    They wouldn’t do this if their marketing research, upon which they spend jillions and zillions of dollars, showed that more people don’t buy from multi-cultural ads than buy from white-only ads.

    So good business people do understand the world. It’s only bad business people who don’t. People for example who think that their name on the side of a building denotes power and prestige, when it’s clear that if the name is shit, and/or they are white power morons……..

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    chris says:

    @J R in WV: Same, currently on Mint, but I started with Debian and then Ubuntu. Gimp is good for the simple things I do and it’s way easier than it used to be.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Ruckus:

    Yes, just so. I noticed this years ago, actually, and it is still so.

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    Another Scott says:

    @debbie: Yup.

    He told us about his medical problems when he attacked Hillary for having “no stamina” and when he complained that the first GOP debate was too long. It’s always projection.

    He’s got no stamina, he even said that exercise is bad.

    It’s amazing he’s lasted as long as he has… :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    chris says:

    @Schlemazel: Brownie and Tobie say, Mind your manners.

    (Couple of my neighbours.)

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    chris says:

    @J R in WV:

    We are winning, it is inevitable.

    Resistance is futile!

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    Ruckus says:

    @J R in WV:
    Well, stupid fucking assholes seldom change without some outside influence. Like the guy we had in boot camp who wouldn’t take a shower. Fucker was from the town next to mine and thought that made us buddies. Any way, about 10 guys decided that he needed both a lesson in humanity and some toilet training. That’s when we discovered what the stiff bristle brushes and lye soap, that we never used, that were in the cleaning locker, were for. Asshole found out that smelling like one is not acceptable in a closed environment with 79 other people. That’s the lesson that the nazis and alt right assholes have to learn. Sitting in your mom’s basement, on the internet is not the same as real life. Some of them will probably have to be taught that a bit more forcefully than others. Or they can just go back and sit in their mom’s basement. Till she gets tired of their shit and moves without telling them.

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    Ruckus says:

    @chris:
    They look a lot better than drumpf. A whole fucking lot better. Probably smell better as well.

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    chris says:

    @Ruckus: They’re good boys, Ruckus, and smell pretty good when they’re all cleaned up.

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    Bess says:

    @Schlemazel:

    that is one of the things that scares me away from going beyond a single DSLR into a more professional one. she who must be obeyed had a 35 SLR with a lot of lenses and filters and is a tremendous photographer but neither of us thinks we are up to photoshop

    I’m late to this discussion, but…

    Stay away from Lightroom and Photoshop. Start with a good (free) photo editing program. If you outgrow a basic photo editor then you can move to Photoshop.

    I use FastStone Viewer which does almost everything that I want to do with my photos. It’s easy to learn and easy to use.

    The only feature that I sometimes need that FS doesn’t have is perspective control. (Making doorways/buildings shot at an angle into rectangles.) For that I use (free) GIMP.

    I’ve been doing photography for a long time. Had my own darkroom. National Geographic has used some of my photos.

    As long as you are not trying to make huge prints from poorly exposed files you probably won’t need the extra muscle of Photoshop.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I was trying to imply that I think even if she had not died, or even if the car attack had never happened, I think we would have seen much the same results.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Ruckus: Reminds me of one of my favourite quotations from Mark Twain.
    “It is much easier to fool a man, than it is to convince him he has been fooled.”

    Of course I looked it up on the Google to get the wording right, and sure enough all the hits are about Mark Twain not having said this or that it is unproven. Dang! I still like that saying.

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    What always strikes me is the magic words, this Nazi claims not to belong to a “German worker’s party”, as if that is the untouchable forever meaning of Nazi.

    Similar to all the rightwingers, whom having digested Jonah Chickenhawk’s tome Liberal Fascism, declare Nazis are Democratic Socialists because it says socialist in the name. Or the incantation of radical islamic terrorism rendering massive power unto the utterer.

    At some pint conservatives became enthralled to medieval magical thinking.

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    Nancy says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Ahh, Neil Stephenson presented one logical outcome of our current path.

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    Nancy says:

    @Mike J: In my dreams, I wear YT’s protective suit and have her reflexes as I zoom around on a skate board. In real life, I read books.

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