It’s All Fun & Games, Until Somebody Loses Their Kid

It’s sad (no lie!) that the New England Cosplay Association had to cancel a long-scheduled public gathering because some nitwit college kid got a permit to let Nazi wannabes swarm Boston Common. But this is serious:

Y’know, I’d have trouble picking Insane Clown Posse songs out of a general metal sound-off, but if the Very Serious Pundits could get past their bourgeois prejudices, the classic Juggalo is exactly the type of disadvantaged, Appalachian-heritage ‘Working Class White’ that they slobber over so endlessly. And it would probably cause at least one cardiac incident if this were pointed out to a roomful of Media Village Idiots…

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  1. 1
    JCJ says:

    Someone showed me a facebook thingie that was pretty good…

    Dear God, If you want us to impeach Trump, just give us a sign. Like blot out the sun, anytime in the next week. Thanks, America

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Some beautiful scenes in Durham, North Carolina as hundreds of people turn themselves in for toppling the Confederate statue. This is how you protest.

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    George Spiggott says:

    INSANE CLOWN POSSE vs. INSANE CLOWN POTUS

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    Dia says:

    I think there was a thread below for how we’re coping. Blog entries like this are how I’m coping….

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    oatler. says:

    “And on this Sunday’s Meet The Press, Juggalo spokesperson-…”

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    Quinerly says:

    Abraham Lincoln statue in Chicago burned: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news.....wt_CHBrand

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    Kent says:

    Guess I’m getting old. I had to google “juggalo” to figure out WTF this thread is about.

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    Ruviana says:

    Someone better warn Omnes about this post.

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    Another Scott says:

    I’ve heard of ICP, and know that some people are obviously into them, but this just seems too weird.

    Gangs? Really?

    :-/

    People have the right to peaceably assemble, have free associations, and all the rest, even if they have weird taste in music and like face paint and weird hand gestures. If they are being hassled for no reason, I hope my ACLU dues are helping to fight for them…

    I’ve got to do some reading…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Baud says:

    I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t confused by modern culture.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @JCJ:

    Ha! I’ve had that up on my FB for a couple of days. Can’t remember where I first saw it, but knew it required sharing.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ruviana:

    Was JUST going to suggest that AL put up a trigger warning for Omnes.

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    debbie says:

    @Quinerly:

    History might as well end. Thinking of future generations’ peace of mind.

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    Well, if Wade brings Trevor and Michael to the Juggalo march, shit will go down against the Nazis.

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    Baud says:

    I’ll be honest, when I read the title, I thought this post was about David Anderson.

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    debbie says:

    @Kent:

    I’ve heard of them and I’ve heard their music (such as it is), but I can’t figure out if they’re pro- or anti-Trump or if they’re just plain clowns.

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    Roger Moore says:

    So which is worse: pissing of the Juggalos or disrespecting Wu Tang Clan?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Kent: That’s what I am about to do. Another example of how keeping up with the news is hard work these days.

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    RobertDSC-iPhone 6 says:

    @👩🏽‍🔬 Martin:

    Lol. Trevor is a foreigner! Just don’t ask him where from. He’s a bit sensitive aboot that.

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    Baud says:

    Liberal s should get on board because it is a civil rights issue and conservatives should get on board because it’s government overreach.

    This may be correct, but we were burned with Snowden, so I’m hesitant.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t confused by modern culture.

    Nice customs curtsy to great kings, Baud.

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    @Baud: If you can’t tell the difference between “stealing and leaking top-secret government documents” and “dressing up like a clown”…

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    Ruviana says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Great minds and all that! :)

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I understand they are different things. I just don’t know which is worse.

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    p.a. says:

    @Baud: i believe that’s one of the main purposes of modernism.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Quinerly:
    “But Lincoln was a tyrant! Argle bargle habeas corpus!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    That photo in the last thread could certainly lead one to such a conclusion.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Spartaci!!

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    Ohio Mom says:

    Goku, hope of the universe, are you reading this thread?

    Aren’t you in the Cleveland area? I just googled “Where to watch the eclipse in Cleveland,” and there are a number of places having viewing parties and giving out glasses — of course if you have obligations on Monday like work or school, that might not be possible.

    Anyway, if you aren’t in Cleveland, google your town, and if that doesn’t work, take heart, a full eclipse is coming to Ohio in a mere seven years. Who knows, you might pick up a pair of glasses next Tuesday, really cheap — then you’ll be set for 2024.

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    @Baud: If you can’t tell which is worse, Edward Snowden and the merry Greenwald gang or dressing up like a clown, maybe you shouldn’t be President.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t confused by modern culture.

    So were you lying then or now?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    If you can’t tell the difference between “stealing and leaking top-secret government documents” and “dressing up like a clown”

    Why is this an either/or scenario?

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Maybe I should be president and simply smite them all to avoid the issue.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Texas ordered to redraw part of its Congressional map before 2018 elections. Good.

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    Baud says:

    @TenguPhule: Good point.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Do they really only dress up like clowns?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Baud:
    Snowden ended up being a stooge of the Russian Federation. The juggalos are a strange subculture that is being persecuted by the powers-that-be

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    @Ruviana: Omnes isn’t the only right thinking person around here, clowns are EVIL.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    NC as well, I heard. Good. Maybe we can start to become a full democracy again instead of just a flawed one.

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    Baud says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Right. But the problem was that Snowden was initially pitched has being persecuted by the powers-that-be as well. How do I know what’s real, another than trusting you guys?

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    @Baud:

    Maybe I should be president and simply smite them all to avoid the issue.

    And I affirm my support for Baud!2020!.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    Maybe I should be president and simply smite them all to avoid the issue.

    “Oh, would’st I could kick the habit
    And give up smoting for good.”
    — Allan Sherman, Sir Greenbaum’s Madrigal

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    The juggalos are a strange subculture that is being persecuted by the powers-that-be

    This is the same argument the libertarians make.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Kent:

    I had to google “juggalo” to figure out WTF this thread is about.

    My kid, the journalist (36 y o) has been explaining it to people for two days

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    sukabi says:

    The New Yorker’s next cover

    The Economist and Time covers also follow a similar theme…

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    Sab says:

    @Ohio Mom: I think he’s more near Youngstown.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I am feeling rather bleak about the eclipse at the moment. After early predictions that it would be clear and sunny on the day in the area I plan to be, the forecast is now for heavy rainstorms. Don’t yet have an hour-by-hour breakdown; if there’s even a remote chance that skies will clear during the crucial time, I’ll go ahead and hit the road early. But if it looks rainy and stormy throughout the region, I might as well save the gas. Probably won’t make a final decision until Sunday night.

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    @TenguPhule: Dude, if the fans of a stupid band are being treated like a criminal gang, something is wrong. I don’t see what that has to do with libertarians.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Baud:
    I don’t know. The negros could have been super secret communist agitaitors. Liberals supported them.

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    @Baud: I’d like to think you can trust us.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s why I decided not to make last-minute plans. It’s going to be a mess anyway in terms of traffic and people, and it would all be for naught if the weather were cloudy. But I have decided to make seeing an eclipse a priority in my life.

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    Baud says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: sometimes you just have to roll the dice.

    @Major Major Major Major: I’d like to think that too.

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    joax says:

    Juggalos are a fascinating subculture, hardly a gang.
    Here’s a short vid from reason. Worth learning about and they are the perfect folks to march on Washing… along with everybody else
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWgpVoSh0s

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    When it was a meme, I listened to the ‘Fucking magnets, how do they work?’ song to learn what was going on. I actually fully approved of the song’s message and did not think it was silly. The point is that very few of us know how the things we use every day work, so we should see the world with wonder because we are surrounded by what might as well be magic.

    Having learned how magnets actually do work in chemistry class, I’m still not sure I can remember well enough to say I understand. Something about partially filled electron energy shells allowing polarization.

    As for Juggalos as a gang and persecution thereby, I am instinctively on their side, but I would not want to make a decision without knowing why they were qualified as a gang. I know pretty much nothing about this issue, and I hate making decisions without good information.

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    Baud says:

    I can only assume that the Insane Clown Posse will be the Super Bowl halftime show in about 20 years.

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    Baud says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Having learned how magnets actually do work in chemistry class

    Bullshit. No one understands magnets except Richard Feynman and he’s dead.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Juggalos beating up Nazis would be the BEST. DAY. EVER. And I would take back every mean thought I’ve ever had about Juggalos.

    I can’t find the story now, but several years ago there were some animal rights activists in the U.K. who were dressed up like badgers to protest something and white supremacists showed up. The badger-dressed ladies immediately chased the Nazis away and I was so proud of them.

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    @Baud: I’ve completely given up on the prospect of ever seeing one. The best I’ll ever see was 80% a few years ago.

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    p.a. says:

    @Major Major Major Major: trust but sanctify. uhhh amplify… uhhhh rectify… terrify; that must be it. given current conditions.

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    A Ghost to Not says:

    Apparently, the resistance is a big circus tent.

    /Imsoold

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: If you can make it to the Midwest in seven years, you have a shot at seeing one.

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    @Mnemosyne:
    I would rather there not be violence. I would much prefer if the Nazis ran away in pants-wetting terror of the Juggalos. On national television. While Trump complained about how scary clowns are.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Juggalos as a gang? WTF?

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    A Ghost to Not says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Hah! Honey badger don’t care!

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @debbie:

    Confederate Flag
    Insane Clown Posse
    I’m in an old station wagon deep in alabama
    Wipe the sweat outta my eyes, cocked the hammer

    I see a pickup truck with a rebel flag window
    A skinny redneck with one of his kinfolk
    I pull up along side and blast the passenger
    Blood, feathers and bone, a massacre
    I kept shootin’, hit the driver
    He fell on the horn stuck
    Threw a molotov cocktail and blew up the truck

    I say fuck your rebel flag
    Out here pretending like you ain’t offendin’
    I say fuck your rebel flag
    You redneck judges with racist grudges
    I say fuck your rebel flag
    If you gotta tattoo, I’m aimin’ at you
    I say fuck your rebel flag
    You get punched in your faces reppin’ the racists

    Confederate flag
    F-f-f-f-fuck you
    Confederate flag
    F-fuck you-f-f-fuck you
    Confederate flag
    F-f-f-f-f-fuck you
    Confederate…

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Did you see my comment above? If you are in Youngstown, google where to watch the eclipse in Youngstown. There are places giving out glasses.

    @SiubhanDuinne: Earlier today (I’m pretty sure it was at Boing Boing) I saw an old ABC news clip from an eclipse from about twenty years ago. They were in Montana, where the totality was the longest, and it had been cloudy all day long. Until the eclipse and then the clouds parted. Maybe you will be as lucky.

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    Baud says:

    @Arm The Homeless: Oh hey. Go Clowns Go!

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    CZanne says:

    @debbie: … For the most part, they’re pretty anti-Trump. They tend to be extremely anti-authoritarian and anti-racist. They’re also deeply, deeply loyal to and generous with one another. I’ve heard them described (and I tend to agree) as the world’s most functional, organic anarcho-socialism, without a graduate degree in political science. They’re EXTREMELY weird — as in even goths and punks give them some side-eye — and they’ve turned their weird into solidarity. Think the Yippies and the Merry Pranksters, except with the internet and facepaint and far more organization and axes. I think they’d think a weekend kicking Nazi ass would be an excellent use of their time, and if they’re likely to take jail time for existing anyway, they might as well have a good reason for it.

    My bet is on Juggalos.

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    bluehill says:

    I wonder what the overlap is between those arguing for strict interpretation of the constitution and those arguing for a nuanced interpretation of confederate statements.

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    debbie says:

    @Arm The Homeless:

    Well, that answers that!

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    Baud says:

    @bluehill: Ha! Excellent.

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    @Baud: The chances of me ever leaving CA again are slim to none.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    I used to think, give me a flame thrower and an afternoon, and I could really clean up the world.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m sad to hear that. At least you’re stuck in a beautiful state.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: I’m tempted to do that with my weeds.

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: but how will you photograph the majesty of other places?

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    A Ghost to Not says:

    @Arm The Homeless: They seem nice.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I assume it’s not a parole condition.

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    @Baud: It makes me sad as well, I love travel.

    @Major Major Major Major: I won’t, I no longer have the means to do so.

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    Annie says:

    @Kent:

    Me too. But I am old. (61)

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    Sab says:

    I store my off season shoes in shoeboxes in my closet. I guess I will have to sacrifice my boxes for the sake of my grandchildren’s eyes, unless someone can convince me that 5 1/2 floppies are actually safe. Cannot tell elementary school kids not to look at the sun. Have to give them a distraction. Like shoeboxes. Darn. Choice of stored shoes or blind grandkids isn’t much of a choice, but I do love some of those shoes.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Arm The Homeless: I now simultaneously see why people think the Juggalos might mix it up with the Nazis and why the DOJ decided they needed to be classified as a gang…

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    @Baud: No, I’m not constrained by the legal system.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Off topic but NYT is reporting that a hacker in the Ukraine is cooperating in the FBI’s Russian investigation. Shoes continue to drop.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud:

    Magnetism, how does it work?

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    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I’m sorry to hear that. Is it just that you don’t go far from home, or there’s something specific about California? Or we can talk about something else, like clowns.

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    @Patricia Kayden:

    Shoes continue to drop.

    I blame the eclipse.

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    Mike J says:

    @Quinerly:

    Abraham Lincoln statue in Chicago burned:

    Try the Sun-Times:

    A West Englewood resident interviewed Thursday speculated that some burn damage to the Lincoln bust may have been caused by fireworks set off on July 4th.

    “People were out partying on the 4th of July and lighting fireworks off of it,” said Christopher Jackson, 22, who lives two blocks from the statue and saw the revelers also light newspapers on fire on top of the statue.

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    Baud says:

    It’s so weird. I can pull up the mobile site on my iPad, but I can’t pull it up on my android phone.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    OMFG, you guys. The white snowflakes actually think that Trump is being treated worse than Obama was.

    Seriously. Some distant relative on Facebook just made me look at something that fucking dumb.

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    Baud says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    To be fair, Trump deserves to be treated worse.

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    @Major Major Major Major: I can go as far as my Prius will take me, so I guess I could go to northern Baja, but it’s generally not advisable to take your car into Mexico and I’d need to renew my passport. I guess the area near Vegas might be in range, but everything would have to be a day trip due to the girls.

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    cthulhu says:

    The album with “Miracles” (the “magnets, how do they work” song) was ICP’s big reveal about being devout Christians. (Actually, go check out SNL’s parody song/video). It was probably the period they were at their highest level of general visibility (2009) but they have been around since 1989 and obviously have a significant long time fan base. I personally have never been impressed with their music though I do like some other rap so it is not just about the style. Regardless, the idea the Juggalos should be treated as a gang is ludicrous.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    And of course, as an oldster, I got it slightly wrong . . . I only know about it second-hand from my students.

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    Baud says:

    I don’t understand why Juicers haven’t been declared a gang yet.

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    Face says:

    And here I thought ICP was an analytical technique for quantifying trace metals.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Annie:

    But I am old. (61)

    No you are not. (75)

    (Edited for more punchy.)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Sab:

    Go buy some plastic shoeboxes and let your grandkids have the cardboard ones. Your cat(s?) can play with them once the kids are done.

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    eclare says:

    @Baud: Cosign. Wow.

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    Mike J says:

    @Baud:

    But I have decided to make seeing an eclipse a priority in my life.

    There are two sides to this so called “eclipse” story, like everything in life.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Sab:

    Choice of [boxes for] stored shoes or blind grandkids isn’t much of a choice, but I do love some of those shoes.

    There are places that will construct custom, exactly right sized, boxes for you. Save your grandkids.

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    Baud says:

    @Mike J: More than two sides. Many sides.

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    @Baud: I understand magnets as does dmsilev and anyone who has taken solid state physics. What does Feynman have to do with magnetism.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    Did you see a few threads down that Charles Pierce took the name Balloon Juice in vain?

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @joax: Thanks, that video was helpful. I hope they remain safe, and win their case against the FBI, poor kids.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t understand why Juicers haven’t been declared a gang yet.

    Not a big enough rep in the right wrong places.

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    Rob says:

    @Face: That too…

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I have plane tickets, hotel reservations, car rental… and predictions of overcast skies in SC. I’m going anyway. What can I do but go and hope for the best?

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    lamh36 says:

    Good for her for ignoring Chump’s calls. Now how soon before Chump attacks her like he did Mr & Mrs Khan?

    @KatyTurNBC
    Mother of Charlottesville Victim Heather Heyer Says She’s Received Death Threats, Ignored Trump Calls – NBC News

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: no. Got a link?

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    dexwood says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    Not distant enough perhaps?
    @Baud:
    Amen.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Mnemosyne: Did someone say badgers??

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    lamh36 says:

    Someone on MSNBC making the point that while Chump is exploding above ground,, that Mike Pence is underground talking to Congressional Republicans and consoling them and telling them to keep overtly off Chump publicly so they get their legislative agenda passed.

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    Punchy says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I resemble that remark.

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    Baud says:

    @lamh36: It’s worked so far.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Mike J:
    Well, that’s better. Thanks

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    karen marie says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: There’s always BBQ. Nom!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @lamh36:

    Huh. I was just thinking (rehearsing the dialogue in my head) that my calls tomorrow to Rep. Rob Woodall, Sen. Johnny Isakson, and Sen David Perdue, would all be variations on the theme of “Why haven’t you denounced Trump’s expressed support for Nazis and White Supremacy?” They are all cowards. None of them, as far as I can tell from a quick Google scan, has said one word. Not. One. Word.

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    dexwood says:

    @Quinerly:
    Hey, Ms. Q. Local micro-beer time. Going to send a picture to you.

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    @lamh36:
    Yes, that’s going SO well. As far as I know, Deathcare is the only thing they needed only 50 votes in the Senate for. They’ll have to replace a senator to even have a shot at that, and I doubt Manchin will join the suicide administration.

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    efgoldman says:

    @lamh36:

    telling them to keep overtly off Chump publicly so they get their legislative agenda passed.

    Except they’re not doing that, effectively, either .

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    Sab says:

    @Mnemosyne: Plastic doesn’t work in NE Ohio. Mildew.

    Cats already have too many boxes. People live here too.

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    lamh36 says:

    LOL…your nightly funny courtesy of Funny or Die…

    “When Harry Met Sally, 30 Years Later”
    https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/898333648704765953

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    NoraLenderbee says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Do we have to go through Imelda’s entire fucking collection before we get rid of these pigs?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: He better not. I assume she’ll eventually take his call. I hope she gives him a piece of her mind when she does and then slams down the phone.

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    Insane Clown Posse isn’t metal, it’s rap. Demented hilarious rap.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    @Baud:

    Well, maybe not in vain. Maybe in tribute. I never can tell with Charlie P.

    Straus is a Republican who actually believes all that balloon juice about bipartisanship

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    lamh36 says:

    Speaking of clowns…I may have mentioned before, but every time I see this particular trailer for the new IT movie, I swear my heart races, and I have to turn the tv or look away…I could NEVER watch the original film, and that was before all the technological advances in film since…so I already KNOW I am NOT gonna be anywhere near this film when it comes to theatres!!!

    Here’s the trailer I seem to always see during commercial breaks: https://youtu.be/n0Lv_kiqQ20

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    Dev Null says:

    Is there a gofundme where I can sponsor a Juggalo to go to DC to beat up on Nazis?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Mnemosyne: Trump deserves to be treated worse than Trump because he’s a worse human being. The MSM is finally starting to treat him with the derision he so richly deserves.

    Why we had to wait so long for the media to wake up is beyond me. Trump hasn’t changed.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Or we can talk about something else, like clowns.

    I thought we all agreed they’re disturbing and evil.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    OMFG, you guys. The white snowflakes actually think that Trump is being treated worse than Obama was.

    That’s been true since the coup in January.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t understand why Juicers haven’t been declared a gang yet.

    Lack of a color scheme we all agree on.

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    lamh36 says:

    Pete Souza with another on pointe and just right pic of PBO!

    @USseriously
    ‘Consoler-in-chief. Always had tears in my eyes when President Obama comforted families after a national tragedy.’ – Pete Souza on Instagram

    https://twitter.com/USseriously/status/898321133291884548

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    TenguPhule says:

    @NoraLenderbee:

    Do we have to go through Imelda’s entire fucking collection before we get rid of these pigs?

    Do you really want the answer to that?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: That’s how I feel about all those Annabelle trailers. Sick of seeing them.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @debbie:

    I used to think, give me a flame thrower and an afternoon, and I could really clean up the world.

    Just an afternoon?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: I can honestly say that I’ve never heard their music. I assume they’re not played on urban radio stations which sometimes play rap.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t see what that has to do with libertarians.

    The snowflake libertarians make the exact same argument, I said nothing about whether they were actually justified to do so.

    I admit I am biased against clowns.

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    lamh36 says:

    @TonyDungy
    Our County says private $$ must be raised to move Confederate statue. Lauren and I are in for $5K. We challenge Bucs Rays Lightning to help!
    https://twitter.com/TonyDungy/status/898202046989553665</blockquote

    ETA: That tweet was earlier today…and guess what already more than enough money was sent in!

    https://twitter.com/MistressOrder/status/898292657511833600

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    @TenguPhule: I still don’t see why we can’t just wear black.

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    debbie says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I move fast.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @JCJ:

    Dear God, If you want us to impeach Trump, just give us a sign.

    That joke about the rising flood and the fireman, the boat and the helicopter comes to mind.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I still don’t see why we can’t just wear black.

    We’d be arguing over the 50 shades of black and someone would pull out a banana.

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: as I may have said on a previous thread… People of good will are tired of this bullshit…this may be a winning game with Chump’s base but for majority of folks…it’s NOT!!

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I would not want to make a decision without knowing why they were qualified as a gang. I know pretty much nothing about this issue, and I hate making decisions without good information.

    I’m no expert, but the ‘gang’ determination (and shame on the Obama-era officials who made it) seems to have been based on AIEEE SCARY TRAILER TRASH WITH BAD TATTOOS & POOR-PEOPLE CRIMINAL RECORDS!!!! (drunk & disorderly, traffic violations, check kiting, petty vandalism). You might not want the average jugaloo for your neighbor, but if being a recreational substance abuser and negligent parent were a capital crime, most of my own kinfolk would’ve been wiped off the earth generations ago. I’d certainly rather be stuck in an elevator with a jugaloo than those clean-cut tiki-torch wielders at UVA…

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    ArchTeryx says:

    This whole thing is starting to play out like the Warriors vs. the Punks scene in that hoary old street gang cult classic The Warriors. If the ICP fanboys want to kick some Nazi ass, more power to ’em.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I think it may be another Prairie Home Companion-type play on our collective egos.

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    @lamh36: Don’t you know that his base is all that matters. Everything is lost, this is the worst time in the history of forever and so on.

    /gist of comments I have seen on Balloon Juice.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Sab:

    Blasphemy! Cats NEVER have too many boxes! 😸

    But you can also get canvas storage boxes. That should help prevent mildew.

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    ThresherK says:

    @lamh36: Can’t we get a patriot (small p) to just run it over with their private, decommissioned tank?

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    @schrodingers_cat:
    Heh. He won’t lose his base, but he’s pissing off a whole lot of people who used to not care about politics. I think voter motivation is going to be the key going forward, and if the special elections are any indicator, that motivation change is huge and vastly outweighs what polls are able to show about changing preferences.

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    eclare says:

    @lamh36: Thanks for the Pete Souza picture, epic trolling. And I can’t watch that trailer either, seems like there a few on right now that are incredibly creepy, and I always seem to find them.

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    lamh36 says:

    Damn…I missed this last night…

    Ugh…Texas, .these fuqn’ police officers wilding the fuq out and aint’ getting in trouble for shit.

    @markmobility
    Jesus. Texas cops cleared despite video showing 11-minute ‘cavity’ search of woman.
    https://twitter.com/markmobility/status/898002129570467842

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    ThresherK says:

    @TenguPhule: I have Archer’s wardrobe of black and slightly darker black in my t-neck collection.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    First they came for the Juggalos

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to tour Confederate monuments.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Pence likens Trump to one of his heroes: Teddy Roosevelt

    “In Donald Trump, I think the United States once again has a president whose vision, energy and can-do spirit is reminiscent of President Teddy Roosevelt,” Pence said.

    “Think about it,” the vice president continued. “Then, as now, we have a builder of boundless optimism, who seeks to usher in a new era of shared prosperity all across this new world. Then, as now, we have a leader who sees things not just as they are but for what they could be. And then, as now, we have a president who understands, in his words, ‘a nation is only living as long as it is striving.’ ”

    First Washington and Jefferson, Now Teddy Roosevelt. Is there no president these fuckers will not defile?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Everything is lost, this is the worst time in the history of forever and so on.

    Nazis. Fucking Nazis.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Sab:

    Choice of stored shoes or blind grandkids isn’t much of a choice, but I do love some of those shoes.

    They make really nice hanging shoe organizers these days. Collecting pretty/expensive shoes is now a recognized recreational activity, so storing / displaying them has become a whole side industry!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    That may be, but I am pretty positive that CPP hangs out here now and then. He knew what he was doing. DIDN’T YOU, CHARLIE??

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Mnemosyne: Nobody brings up Obama’s scandals.

    Like the time he put mustard on a cheeseburger. Or the time he had orange juice at a Iowa dinner, instead of coffee. And who can forget the time he wore a lightly colored suit during a heat wave.

    The liberal media gave him a free pass on everything.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Like the time he put mustard on a cheeseburger.

    I thought that was arugula.

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    lamh36 says:

    Notice ALL these statues and monuments to the Confederacy in states there WERE NEVER APART OF THE CSA…or weren’t even actual states unless over 50 years after the Civil War!!!

    “A Confederate statue in Helena, Montana is set for removal from a city park after Native American lawmakers petitioned the city council, according to a report on Thursday.”

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/898337679250567169

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I am not a fan of Arnold Schwarenagger, have only seen a few of his movies and will never forgive him for “Don’t be economic girlymen”, for a lot of reasons, but this is good. He names the names.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t understand why Juicers haven’t been declared a gang yet.

    The low-level minions responsible for collecting incriminating data keep getting distracted by pet pics, recipes, & Cole’s slice’o’life confessionals.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @TenguPhule: Oh yes. “the Laird will provide”. Lady, he provided you with the means to escape, and you sat on your fat ass and whined and drowned. Fucking Calvinist.

    (In the version I grew up with, she was old and from Scotland, and the state trooper came by first, but those are just details.)

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    Mary G says:

    @lamh36: I couldn’t even make it through that trailer. Omnes, if you’re reading, don’t watch it.

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    Kathleen says:

    @lamh36: That. Was. Brilliant. Thank you for sharing that link!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    For several weeks there have been rumours that Sater is ready to rat again, agreeing to help Mueller. ‘He has told family and friends he knows he and POTUS are going to prison,’ someone talking to Mueller’s investigators informed me. Sater himself added fuel to this fire when he told New York magazine last week: ‘In about the next 30 to 35 days, I will be the most colourful character you have ever talked about. Unfortunately, I can’t talk about it now, before it happens. And believe me, it ain’t anything as small as whether or not they’re gonna call me to the Senate committee.’

    Sater and Manafort together would pose a deadly threat to Trump’s presidency if they testify that Russian money in his businesses led to information being exchanged with Russian intelligence.

    forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/ (link)

    tick-tock……. tick-tock……. tick-tock…….

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Have never been a fan of his, either as an actor or, the gods they know, as a politician, but this is a terrific clip. Thank you, Ahhnold.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @TenguPhule: I forgot about ArugulaGate. Yet another scandal Teflon Obama got away with.

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    TenguPhule says:

    The Republicans who want to legalize running over protesters

    This year, Republican lawmakers in at least six states have proposed bills designed to protect drivers who strike protesters. The first bill was introduced in North Dakota in January, and similar bills have since come under consideration in North Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, Texas and Rhode Island.

    Just a reminder, the GOP wants to make this shit legal.

    The North Dakota bill would shield drivers from civil and criminal liability. The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. Keith Kempenich, perversely suggested that shielding drivers who kill protesters was a necessary anti-terrorism measure.

    Protesters who blocked cars were committing “an intentional act of intimidation — the definition of terrorism,” he told the Los Angeles Times.

    Yes, they want to kill us under color of law.

    In five of the six states where bills were introduced, the legislation would shield drivers who hit protesters or demonstrators only. Drivers who kill pedestrians who are not out exercising their First Amendment rights would still be subject to the usual criminal and civil liabilities.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    He has told family and friends he knows he and POTUS are going to prison

    Oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Being “Black While President” was the greatest scandal that there Obama fellow somehow got away with for a shocking 8 years. The horror!! Now I need to lay down on my fainting couch.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I still don’t see why we can’t just wear black.

    I love black as an outfit choice, but I live with three mostly-white dogs, a grey-and-white cat, and a red tabby cat.

    You can probably get away with a certain amount of Samwise shedding on your black wardrobe, but there’s a reason crazy cat ladies traditionally wear tweeds, mixed prints, and bright florals — it’s camouflage!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    wow, Joy Reid just sucker punched that romney aide who said that the Republicans’ problem is they can’t pass tax cuts

    “So… not that they’re associating with racists, neo-Nazis and net-confederates?”

    He might as well be holding a steak on his eye for the rest of the segment

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    germy says:

    “It was an experiment. We put an outsider in the office…well, it hasn’t worked, so just resign. Just resign, we’ll take it a step at a time, and we’ll see what happens after that. But for the time being, we’ve had enough.”

    – David Letterman

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    JPL says:

    James Murdoch is donating a million to ADL cuz of Trump.. nytimes will have an article soon.. btw the nytimes is Baud’s favorite paper.
    Story coming soon – James Murdoch, son of Ripert +chair of 21st Century Fox, rips Potus response to Charlottesville, pledges $1 mill to ADL

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    lamh36 says:

    Wow… I missed this yesterday as well…

    @germanotes
    Berlin Stands with Charlottesville demonstration tonight before the Brandenburg Gate (chanting: “No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA”)
    https://twitter.com/germanotes/status/897869285875494914

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: Good. It’s amazing how so many Confederate memorials exist in this country. Shows how the majority holds minorities in contempt.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @germy: so glad Letterman’s coming back to TV, even if it’s Netflix.

    Kimmel’s monologue the other day was great too.

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    hueyplong says:

    Trying not to get too excited about the Sater story, but it’s a struggle.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Ruviana: @SiubhanDuinne: Too fucking late.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    You can probably get away with a certain amount of Samwise shedding on your black wardrobe, but there’s a reason crazy cat ladies traditionally wear tweeds, mixed prints, and bright florals — it’s camouflage!

    Wait, all you cat people aren’t actually pretending to be crazy?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @JPL: How dare you slander Baud like that!!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Too fucking late.

    At least you didn’t watch the IT trailer.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @TenguPhule: Proof that all those Trump fan letters coming in from 9 and 10-year-old children are actually being written by Pence.

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    Mary G says:

    Story coming soon – James Murdoch, son of Ripert +chair of 21st Century Fox, rips Potus response to Charlottesville, pledges $1 mill to ADL— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) August 18, 2017

    When you’ve lost Fox News. Maggie was so anxious to get her scoop out first she failed to proofread. Unprofessional.

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    Mike J says:

    @hueyplong:

    Trying not to get too excited about the Sater story, but it’s a struggle.

    Go back to that story then click to go to The Spectator’s front page. Should cool you down fairly quick.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Teddy Roosevelt. Is there no president these fuckers will not defile?

    I’m a lifelong fan of Mr. Roosevelt, but I’ll be the first to admit he gave the racists and authoritarians way too much assistance.

    On the other hand, I’m pretty sure Teedy would’ve punched out Mike Pence multiple times, just for being a chickenshit hypocrite. And of course, as a native of NYC, he’d have been punching Lord Smallgloves going back to the 1980s. Except that given Trump’s prior history, when faced with a real manly-man leader he’d be down on his knees kissing Teddy’s… shoes.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @hueyplong: IANAL, but I wonder to what extent the actual criminal charges around money laundering are hard to prove: Thing like intent, consciousness of wrong-doing or complicity or the source of the money concerned. Cause I have no doubt that laundry services for the Oligarchs and Russian gangsters have kept trump afloat for the last number of years, along with the “reality” show, but I remember Fitzmas, and Meuller strikes as the type to only bring/recommend charges if he thinks he can get a conviction.

    OTOH, and again, NAL, but I don’t know how anyone can argue trump didn’t obstruct justice. Also, attempted witness intimidation and thus abuse of the power and influence of his office.

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    lamh36 says:

    No shit Nate!!

    @NateSilver538
    As Trump’s problems mount, the media’s obsession with Clinton’s email server–literally the most-covered issue of 2016–
    looks worse & worse.
    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/897978553060524032

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    germy says:

    @TenguPhule: Here’s what I don’t understand: The lady across the street from me lives with five dogs. And she’s considered just another Good American. But if I lived with five cats, they’d put me in a straitjacket.

    (We only have one cat, but still.)

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    Shalimar says:

    I don’t understand the gang thing. I always thought Juggalos were more of a cult.

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    Baud says:

    @Mary G: Fine. Good. But Murdoch and Maggie share responsibility for the situation we’re in.

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    Mary G says:

    @TenguPhule: @Omnes Omnibus: Yes, OO, don’t watch the IT trailer lamh posted.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: There is a clown in the WH, with make up, how do you deal with that?

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I haven’t heard much of their music and don’t know their ethnicity for sure but think they may be white. They’re from Detroit and have a lot of fans there.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy:

    The lady across the street from me lives with five dogs. And she’s considered just another Good American. But if I lived with five cats, they’d put me in a straitjacket.

    Because dogs are like needy grade schoolers while cats are like demanding teenagers.

    Obviously you’d have to be crazy to want to have five demanding teenagers in fur suits.

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    efgoldman says:

    @hueyplong:

    Trying not to get too excited about the Sater story

    I’ll get excited when there are actual indictments and/or arraignments.

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    kindness says:

    I can’t believe the FBI considers ICP fans a gang. Jesus Christ that is so stupid on it’s face. An NRA mob is way more dangerous. The ICP folks will be so high they really only pose a danger to themselves.

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    JPL says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I did Baud a favor cuz he doesn’t want the Hillary treatment.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: That’s easy, you make a great case for Apple being the superior technology. :-)

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    lamh36 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Did you catch Colbert’s on Tuesday? If was re-written after the Trump presser and Colbert was on FIRE!! It was his best on the show, IHMO

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    There is a clown in the WH, with make up, how do you deal with that?

    A shaving cream pie the size of the Statute of Liberty smashed into his face.

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    germy says:

    @efgoldman:

    when there are actual indictments and/or arraignments.

    More likely from NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Well, to be fair, balloon juice was out there before Balloon Juice was. But Charles Pierce absolutely knows about BJ, so that surprised me, as well!

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    Yarrow says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    tick-tock……. tick-tock……. tick-tock…….

    I prefer, “Tick tock, motherfuckers.”

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    efgoldman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I wonder to what extent the actual criminal charges around money laundering are hard to prove: Thing like intent, consciousness of wrong-doing or complicity or the source of the money concerned.

    During semi-annual refreshers at Enormous Brokerage & Mutual Funds LLC, intent was never mentioned. Violations of the applicable regulations are violations, period.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Serafinowicz (“Sassy Trump” guy) was on Colbert. He didn’t get much time, though.

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    chris says:

    Whatever it takes.

    #UPDATE: Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway monument tarred and feathered near Gold Canyon. https://t.co/PNKk5A4VoR pic.twitter.com/crG8IzezUZ— FOX 10 Phoenix (@FOX10Phoenix) 17 August 2017

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, a completely new side of Arnold for me.

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    lamh36 says:

    Like I said…people of good will are tired of the BS…what works for Trump’s base does not work for entire country…

    @ahylton26
    BREAKING: The city of Lexington, Kentucky votes unanimously to remove 2 confederate statues from the city’s downtown center.
    https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/898350051247890433

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @hueyplong:

    Trying not to get too excited about the Sater story, but it’s a struggle

    See new thread up to — NYMag may be considered a more reliable source than the Spectator, for forwarding purposes.

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    lamh36 says:

    Oh…poor John Kelly…🙄🙄
    Cry me a river John!

    @swin24
    John Kelly was expecting a hard job/wasn’t blind to it. Still, Nazi stuff “threw him for a loop,” per WH officials
    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/898355694184910848

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Another Scott:

    I hope my ACLU dues are helping to fight for them…

    I haven’t given the ACLU any money since they supported Citizens United. There is an opinion piece up on the NY Times site concerning the ACLU’s current conception of the right to Free Speech.
    “The A.C.L.U. Needs to Rethink Free Speech” by K-Sue Park
    You might find it interesting.

    There has always been a tension between free speech and various groups whose goals are repugnant to what I consider decent people. But supporting Citizens United has damaged and will continue to damage this country far beyond issues of free speech. It is ironic though that the main beneficiaries of Citizens United are people who ultimately will support candidates who will curtail free speech, not to mention other rights like voting. This is one of those cases where the cliche about the Constitution not being a suicide pact has some merit.

    I think the ACLU does a lot of good, but with finite resources I have to choose carefully to whom I donate money. Support for Citizens United pushed the ACLU off the list.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Poorly.

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    @lamh36: Oh please give me a break, Kelly knew what he was getting into. He didn’t become a general by being stupid. T’s views on race and his campaign’s embrace of white supremacy was not a big secret.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I can’t bear to even look, hence my renunciation of TV news.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Pence likens Trump to one of his heroes: Teddy Roosevelt

    “Talk softly and carry a big stick” is not the same as “Yell stupidly and wave your little dick”.

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    HinTN says:

    @Baud: That’s why two years ago I decided that we would go where the weather suited our clothes, aka the high desert of Wyoming. Now, if we can avoid the dust storm that Tom L described wet are gold for Monday.

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    HinTN says:

    @Baud: But he knew how to tell a story so it’s out there…

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    Mart says:

    Right after 9/11 my Rolling Stone magazine arrived and I thought this was printed before the horror, maybe I can be happy. ICP is on the cover. Couple paragraphs, in as I recall, words to the effect of they like having anal sex with little boys. This while the CNN talking head discussing OBL saying what a morally degenerate society we have. And then I was sad again.

    As to Nazi marches, scared this is going to lead to ever escalating bloodshed. I am very fearful of what these White House authoritarians can do with their blood soaked hands, backed by endless Fox shrieking. Even as fucking horrible as the WH folks are at their jobs, those who can really push back, stand back. Imagine if we got a smart pack of authoritarians.

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    Jeffro says:

    Catherine Rampell, SO on point as usual at WaPo, writing here about Republican bills that would indemnify folks who strike or run over protestors with their cars:

    “…to treat [Trump] as an aberration in encouraging violence against protesters — in particular, liberals and people of color — is flat wrong.
The moral rot in the Republican Party runs deep.”

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    Fair Economist says:

    I’m starting to wonder if these dueling marches are indeed an accident. The Nazis want somebody unsympathetic to attack them so they can play the aggrieved defending against the “darky hordes”, and the Juggalos are fairly unpopular and don’t have the organization to keep all those young oppressed men in line. If necessary, the Nazis could easily plant agent provocateurs in face paint if needed. There is precedent.

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    prostratedragon says:

    @Felonius Monk: It rhymes, it rhymes.

    Lately when I have to call him something, one name I’ve resorted to is Toothpick.

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    Ithink says:

    @debbie:

    I haven’t heard their music as it is but have been scared to death since I was a pre-teen seeing their promo posters & album covers around on CD shops and other ancillary places; I’m not a fan of horror core/black or heavy metal in general but I know from reading up on them they’re vehemently annti-racist, anti-misogyny and anti-homophobic in their personal politics and off-stage theatrics (an anomaly for those genres)!

    They’re most famous for a longtime beef they had with Eminem, over what I’m not sure @ all.

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    SgrAstar says:

    @Fair Economist: but juggalos are white….

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    Geeno says:

    @lamh36: I would pay cash money to see either of those movies.

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    Another Scott says:

    @TriassicSands: I wasn’t aware of their arguments for Citizens United, and I do find it disturbing, but I’m not surprised by it. I think it’s wrong, and too narrow a reading of “free speech”, but they are and have always been absolutists about the First Amendment.

    I don’t like all of the positions that the EFF takes either, for similar reasons.

    But I support both organizations with annual donations. It’s not much, so I’m sure they wouldn’t miss it either way. I think on the whole both do more good than otherwise, and there are instances when their participation has been vital in protecting our rights.

    But I agree that Citizens United was a very bad decision…

    FWIW.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    mr_gravity says:

    @TenguPhule: Is anyone using orange?

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