Wow. Daily Caller actually published a screed by Nazi Pax Dickinson blaming the #Charlottesville violence on police. https://t.co/Bcl21cCDys
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 15, 2017
And I feel like ‘victims’ should be in air-quotes, because SRSLY. I try not to mock the ‘Unearned Confidence of A Mediocre White Male’ too often, but even Politico strains to take these luzers at their whinge word…
Organizers of Saturday’s deadly white nationalist rally say they are planning to return to Charlottesville for a future rally and to file lawsuits against city and state authorities for allegedly failing to protect their gathering.
But first, they must cope with a psychic shock: feeling betrayed by government authorities they believed would always protect them. Before this weekend’s events, the alt-right had been a bastion of pro-police sentiment — especially when it came to police shootings of unarmed black victims and clashes with the Black Lives Matter movement. Now, the alt-right’s leaders are grappling with the realities of being identifiable members of an unpopular minority group in public.
“I have never felt like the government or police were against me,” said white nationalist leader Richard Spencer at a small news conference inside his home here on Monday afternoon. “There has never been a situation in my life when I’ve felt this way.”
Jason Kessler, the Charlottesville rally’s organizer, was also reeling. “This has changed everything,” he said. “I thought that the police would uphold constitutional law no matter what.”…
Following Saturday’s violence, Kessler attempted to hold a news conference on Sunday in front of Charlottesville’s City Hall but was foiled by anti-racism demonstrators, some of whom physically attacked him. Kessler criticized Virginia state troopers — who intervened after a scuffle broke out — for not taking more proactive steps to protect him.
“Even the lefties are astonished that the police apparently must’ve been ordered to just stand aside,” said white nationalist Jared Taylor, who has been called “the intellectual godfather of the alt-right” and monitored the weekend’s events from afar. “There wasn’t even a single arrest when Jason Kessler was assaulted. What were the police doing?”
Another alt-right activist who participated in the rally, Pax Dickinson, expressed similar frustration. “I blame the rank-and-file cops for being cowards who obey unlawful orders,” said Dickinson, a former chief technology officer of Business Insider and former business partner of the pro-Trump internet troll Charles Johnson. “But the orders came from higher up.”…Despite the feelings of betrayal, it does not appear that the experience has caused white nationalists to fundamentally reevaluate their worldviews. Spencer repeatedly dodged questions about whether his weekend experience has made him more sympathetic to the Black Lives Matter movement and members of minority groups who have claimed unfair treatment at the hands of police. Instead, he attacked the straw-man notion that there is a nationwide police conspiracy to murder black people. But, he added, “I did have much more faith in the police in general before this weekend.”
After two abortive attempts to hold the event at hotels in downtown Washington, Spencer moved the news conference to his book-strewn, two-story apartment, where a smashed hard-boiled egg sat in a pot of water on the stove. There, he also expressed his disappointment with Fox News. Calling up a screenshot from the network on the flat-screen television on the wall of his living room, Spencer faulted Fox for running stock footage of an unrelated Ku Klux Klan gathering while discussing Saturday’s rally, which he felt unfairly mischaracterized the alt-right…
Waaa! We thought it was our Aryan-god-given right to gang up and go looking for untermenschen to abuse! Truly, the world has turned upside down!…
Of course, part of the problem is that a lot of the loudest “leaders” at Caucasoid circle-jerks like last weekend’s “Unite the Whites” rally are ordinary grifters masquerading as true believers. Getting pummeled by counter-protestors or pushed around by cops is fine for young dimwits bearing tiki torches, but people like Richard Spencer and Baked Alaska consider themselves performance artists whose public displays should no more be taken seriously than the buskers and balloon-bearing clowns who usually hang around parks asking strangers for spare change. Don’t taze me, brah, I’m only the piano player!…
Then again, that’s how Donald Trump’s campaign got started, wasn’t it?
Richard Spencer is complaining that the police and the medics didn't help him when he was maced.
Someone literally died.
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 14, 2017
Richard Spencer says Trump should order a federal investigation of Virginia and Charlottesville officials. "He's the big daddy" pic.twitter.com/GXFBrlbVZO
— Ben Schreckinger (@SchreckReports) August 14, 2017
Richard Spencer doesn't think President Trump condemned his movement today. He called it "kumbaya" nonsense, & said Trump didn't mean it.
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 14, 2017
Richard Spencer said today he didn't think POTUS had condemned him or the alt-right in his comments. Tonight, the president RT's this guy: pic.twitter.com/8MWB9WYzkM
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 15, 2017
Quinerly
Raleigh man: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article167142317.html
Quinerly
I was trying to say Raleigh man behind, “Yes, you are a racist” twitter account: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article167142317.html
nonynony
That “astonishment” is actually anger that more of YOU weren’t arrested. Like your buddies who were caught on film beating the crap out of Deandre Harris.
jharp
Now, the alt-right’s leaders are grappling with the realities of being identifiable members of an unpopular minority group in public.
Easy peasy.
It’s time to bring back the white hoods.
Laura
Well gee, if the police can’t be relied upon to protect the nazi victims, wouldn’t a nazi feel justified in organizing a protective unit?
Spenser is positioning for the Oswald Mosley BUF role.
Chris
And yet the entire justification for their ideology is based on the “fact” that poor unfortunate white people can’t catch a break because everybody hates them, especially the patriotic type of whites who stick up for their kind.
Quinerly
Anybody else having problems commenting this AM? Buggy?
different-church-lady
Let’s think why this would be. Let’s “have thoughts.” What could it be? Hmmm…. Hmmm mmm… HMMMMMM…
different-church-lady
@Quinerly:
Yes, but it’s because of insomnia.
Major Major Major Major
What an odd detail.
Dan
I’m sure the cops are not very happy that two of them died trying to handle the situation that these assholes created.
Jeffro
Intel’s CEO just quit Trumpov’s dumb/fake “American Manufacturing Council” too.
There’s only one way to escape the touch of Shit Midas: GET OUT, GET OUT NOW! lol
Waspuppet
So maybe you’re not as put-upon and abused as you thought? Maybe white people don’t have it as bad as you think?
Similarly, maybe their wheelman Fields is sitting in the Charlottesville jail realizing that it’s Day 3 and no mob has broken into the jail to string him up from a tree, so maybe he’s not really an oppressed minority?
Nah. Nothing gets through. They need some reason to explain that they’re losers other than the fact that they’re losers. And they adore thinking of themselves as victims. That’ll never change.
nonynony
@Chris:
Not quite. Many of them have always believed that the cops were on their side and that it’s the politicians who “pander to minorities” for votes who agree with them in private while denouncing them in public.
In some cases they’re right to a degree – I’ve known a number of cops in my life and many of them are pretty goddamn racist.
Where they miss out is that as racist as the cops I’ve known have been, those cops to a man divide the world into “good guys” and “bad guys”. And honestly even the ones who I’ve never found a hint of racism in do the same thing. There’s very little nuance or shades of grey in my experience. And in the “bad guys” camp is literally every single person who makes their life difficult in any way – which can range from watchdog groups who want them to be better at their jobs down to Nazi fuckwads who are obviously trying to start a riot on their watch.
No matter how racist a cop is, if he’s the guy on duty when a bunch of Nazis come in for a march he’s going to be mad at the Nazis. Because he knows that they’re the assholes making his job harder and that if someone dies while he’s there it’s going to be him get chewed out the next day, not the Nazis. (Likely this is why the Charlotte PD didn’t go out of their way to make sure Kessler didn’t take at least one punch before they hustled him out of his press conference – they were probably pissed at him for getting someone killed and making them look like assholes who stood around and let someone get killed.)
LAO
Cry me a river.
The Moar You Know
I’d sure like an explanation from any media that showed up to this losers shithole apartment as to why they did. He is not newsworthy and his views on anything are meaningless.
What is newsworthy? Well, the son of a bitch isn’t in jail for inciting a riot in which people and police died. That’s plenty newsworthy, and I’d like an explanation as to why this fucking loser isn’t in a jail cell.
bemused
Ha, just another “quality” they share with Trump. As Bill Maher coined, Whiny little bitches.
It’s almost amusing how shocked they are when their fantasy world gets punched by reality.
Major Major Major Major
@The Moar You Know: when did police die?
hitchhiker
From a very coherent Lawfareblog post written by a local w/long experience in witnessing protests around the world:
These folks thought the local cops were going to be thrilled to see this & eager to “protect” them from citizens of a college town armed with homemade signs?
It’s a good read.
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major: Helicopter crash.
LAO
@The Moar You Know: I think it is newsworthy — I want to know what these shitbirds are planning; and that they believe the President is firmly on their side, even after his Monday statement. There is a value to exposing how ridiculous these people are.
germy
@different-church-lady: Will they eventually find out someone took a shot at the helicopter?
Chris
@nonynony:
True, but note that he didn’t even say “the police” – he said “the government or police,” which certainly covers the allegedly politically correct politicians. He’s basically admitting that he lives, or until very recently lived, in a world in which his baseline assumption was that the authorities would always be there for him when he needed (or wanted) them.
No matter how one looks at it, he’s blowing a giant fucking hole in the idea that his group was founded out of any feelings of marginalization and disenfranchisement. Left-wing students and minority rights advocates had never had any such delusions.
Villago Delenda Est
Anything that has every been associated with Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei is utter garbage. Talking about you, Politico, Axios Low tumbrel number Villager vermin.
germy
All this acting out… and Trump is in the White House!
Can you imagine what they’d be doing under President Hillary Clinton?
Matt McIrvin
@germy: Less, because they’d be more scared of the FBI.
Gator90
@The Moar You Know: Spencer’s views have ample representation in the White House, precisely because millions of Americans share his views in whole or in part. The cancer of white supremacy should be exposed to the light. Only then can it (one hopes) be cut out.
Jeffro
Btw this is the best take-down of Trumpov and his racist base that I’ve ever read: Donald Trump’s Despicable Words. See if some of this doesn’t sound like straight-up Balloon Juice…
She’s hysterical when she’s trying to be funny, and oh so poignant when the subject is as painful as this one.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Major Major Major Major: Here. It can be argued they wouldn’t have been up in the thing if they weren’t needed for aerial surveillance Saturday, whatever the actual cause of the crash. And if the person making the case is an already-irritated law-enforcement officer, it probably will be.
Quaker in a Basement
Every snowflake is unique.
Jack the Second
I think there’s also a “Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party” joke in there somewhere.
Tony J
@Waspuppet:
.
It’s who they are. The movements and leaders they idolise are just that. Losers. As in, the guys who lost. And I’m not just talking about the Confederacy and the Third Reich. In a purely American context these creeps can look back to a century ago and see their ideals and ideology in their fullest bloom, a time when White, Christian powers dominated the globe, minorities and women knew their place, there was a full-on, no bones about it Lost Cause-loving racist bigot in the White House whose racism was thoroughly mainstream and the KKK was just getting restarted as a vehicle for White, Protestant resentment. They had it all – everything they say they want now, they had it then, all the power, all the privilege, everything.
And still, they lost. Their standard bearers were losers then just like they are now, and in fight after fight, slowly but surely, at great cost to the portion of the citizenry who took the overwhelming brunt of their hate and fear, they lost their monopoly and America became a better place where their ideas are not mainstream and a majority simply will not stomach them pretending that they are.
Alt-Americans = Losers, just like their shitty alt-President. And they know it. Who else would wear khaki pants with a blazer?
Major Major Major Major
Seriously though, when have police ever been champing at the bit to defend violent rioters?
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): thanks, and to the others who replied too.
rk
They really thought they’d emerge from their little outing triumphant, polo shirts and khaki wearing, torch holding hipster Nazis. White nordic women swooning over them, maybe even on the cover of vogue. Reality really sucks. Sad!
Jeffro
Also, some wisdom* from David Brooks here (no need to link to it): let’s respond modestly to the Nazis
Naturally, this is addressed to – you guessed it – “both sides”
Betty Cracker
I’ll admit I enjoyed watching that video of Kessler getting chased away from his own press conference. I watched it twice.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Tony J: Might as well sneer at blazers and Bermuda shorts. Khakis and blazers aren’t that uncommon in the South, especially among men who don’t wear suits as a daily uniform. Wearing a blazer is hot enough; pairing it with dark pants is a bad idea.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
You mean post-Civil Rights? Because there are dozens, and possibly hundreds, of stories about cops not only standing by, but aiding and abetting white rioters who were beating up and killing Black people (think Roseville).
It is less common post-Civil Rights.
Mezz
Two things struck me: first – slightly – in the photo of the two posing shitbags, the books. 1. Nobody who has lots of books (I read books professionally) would stack them that way, right? How do you retrieve them for use when they’re stacked like that. 2. Way more interesting, _Dressing the Man_ by Alan Flusser on the corner table. They really have abandoned the white robes and hoods.
Actually important though, is second: this makes me feel creepy and/or very nervous.
I’ve noticed especially lately a lot of incendiary rhetoric laying the ground work to try to legitimize an armed rebellion against the government.
If (or as Seth Abramson insists, when) That Man is impeached, I don’t think either he or is fascist followers are going to take that kindly.
nonynony
@Jeffro:
This is true in most cases. But there’s a giant exception to this idea, and that is “except when the malevolent foes are literally Nazis”. Anyone who doesn’t understand that the only legitimate response to Nazis is to crush them fast and hard is either an idiot or a Nazi symp.
Ironically David Brooks would probably be the first one to bring out Neville Chamberlain references when it comes to responding to whoever he’s decided is this year’s Hitler. Which suggests to me that he might just actually be a Nazi symp (though I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume for now that he’s an idiot instead.)
Mnemosyne
@rk:
Yup. They bought all of their own propaganda and thought they would be greeted with flowers and candy by the grateful white population.
That’s why white people (myself included) have a moral responsibility to reject and denounce these assholes at every turn. They think that silence is consent and anyone who doesn’t speak against them is secretly with them.
Patricia Kayden
@Dan: The cops from descriptions that I’ve read were pretty much hands off as the White Supremacists rioted right in front of them. The fact that only four people were arrested versus the hundreds arrested during BLM and Occupy protests says it all about where the sympathy of cops lies.
Felonius Monk
@Jeffro:
Might we just say: Fuck You, David Brooks. And, David, pull your head out of your ass, the lack of oxygen is rotting your brain.
Gator90
@nonynony: I believe Brooks is Jewish, thus making him an unlikely Nazi symp. (Not impossible, though — see Miller, Stephen.) He is definitely an idiot.
Chyron HR
@germy:
They’re acting out BECAUSE they won. They’ve been vindicated. They think history has been weighed and they were judged to be the winners. That’s why it was such a disaster that so many alleged “progressives” decided to just surrender the country to them last year.
sharl
Some mil-vets are pretty riled up over this nazi provocateur Jack Posobiec, who may still be an active Navy Reservist [LT(jg), O-2]. He is (or was) a junior Navy intel officer, which apparently isn’t enough to put him in the category of a “spy” to be concerned about, despite his Russian wife and (iirc) favorable view of Putin. When I last looked in on the twitter chatter, there was disagreement over just what kind of access to classified material his position would provide him (again, assuming he is still an active reservist).
Adam Weinstein just filed a FOIA for this scumbag’s military record.
ETA: That whole business with the “Rape Melania” sign was an effort undertaken during the campaign to frame/discredit anti-Trump protesters to make them look violently pro-rape in their resistance to twitler.
nonynony
@Mnemosyne:
QFT.
There is one group of people who do not deserve tolerance, and that is Nazis. Whether they call themselves Nazis or white supremacists or white nationalist or “race realists” or whatever weasel-term they’ve come up with this week to hide the fact that they’re Nazis they need to be opposed.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Mezz: It’s a bookcase.
germy
RawStory is reporting some “activists” are trying to organize a protest at Heather Heyer’s funeral.
How ugly can they get?
germy
@Patricia Kayden: The cops were wearing their cute little green vests. They looked like vermont bicycle cops.
Compare and contrast with the full riot gear presented to Ferguson protesters.
trollhattan
@germy:
Straight out of the Westboro Baptist playbook. Nice.
germy
@Mezz:
Are we sure they’re books? They look like they could be a stack of videos or video games.
Tony J
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
You mean Jared – didn’t – invent the look when he solved the MENA Problem on his Gap Week? I’m obviously not as up on the Uniforms of The South as I thought I was. 8-)
germy
WTF? Is she for real?
LAO
So, just now my office floor had a fire drill with a fire safety guy. The presentation ended with an active shooter instruction or ABC. Which stands for A (avoid), B (barricade) and C (confront). Confront. Act aggressively and there is power in numbers. Confront. Wow. Thankfully, I work in a shitty 3d rate building in Midtown.
germy
@LAO: let the bosses and owners confront.
Not the worker bees.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeffro: “The boundaries of common decency have to be defined”. Unfortunately for BoBo, he falls outside of them. By a light year.
Major Major Major Major
@LAO: @germy: I’m pretty sure that’s standard active shooter training. ETA: Anywhere, not just workplaces.
LAO
@germy: Damn it. I am the boss of me!
@Major Major Major Major: It is the standard protocol. But still I vote for C (cower) not (confront) because you know …middle aged jewish woman.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Tony J: Nope. Very popular for guests at outdoor weddings. And I really don’t want to have to tell my husband that he can’t wear his khaki Dockers without being mistaken for a Nazi.
I imagine white polos are going to be very out of fashion soon, though.
Frankensteinbeck
@Gator90:
He’s a sympathizer, in the way a lot of Republicans are sympathizers. He agrees with the Nazis in a general way, but thinks they’re too extreme and wrong in some specific points. Together, his desire to stop them is pretty low, and mixed with a desire to have white supremacists taken seriously, so his bigotries are taken seriously. In Brooks’ case, what he agrees with is that people should Know Their Place, and that everything was better when the lesser people tugged their forelock to the superior.
trollhattan
@germy:
Check out the big brain on Kathleen.
different-church-lady
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Is this the white suburbanite’s version of “The Talk”?
nonynony
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: I told my wife that those assholes had ruined polo shirts completely, at least for now. I don’t think I’m going to even be wearing my non-white ones for the forseeable future.
Small loss really – I’ve put on some weight and polo shirts really are not a good look for overweight white guys (as our current president shows us regularly when he’s out on the golf course). I’m going to switch to Hawaiian shirts for a while while I try to drop some weight…
Jay S
@Mezz: @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: I’m pretty sure that is a an art project. There was a trend to use old books as stacking material for various purposes.
Yarrow
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
I know some schools that use white polos for school uniforms. They’re fairly inexpensive and easy to get. The ones I’m aware of seem to be schools with mostly students of color. Can’t see them being happy about their uniform after this.
A Ghost To Most
@germy: no gunfire yet, so they have a ways to go.
sharl
@germy: She might be for real, but it’s hard to tell. Hardly anyone retweets her, but she could be big on FB, or maybe she gets a lot of listeners on her Los Angeles AM radio show. She has over 500 twitter followers, but they’re all over the map politically, and a quick perusal didn’t reveal anyone prominent. Sometimes people “buy” followers on twitter, in hopes that they’ll raise their social media ‘cred’, but I was too lazy to dive into the follower twitter accounts to look for signs that they are fake or inactive.
Her big thing seems to be strong opposition to immigration policy, which is a real thing within the African-American community at least among the lower income crowd, though it’s not necessarily a large constituency. My former Congresswoman Donna Edwards caught a small amount of flak early in her political career in my majority AfAm CD, when people looked at Edwards’ record of being an advocate for immigrants. (However, that opposition could also have been engineered by her Dem opponent Al Wynn, who was known to dig into his rat-fucking & shenanigans toolbox on occasion.)
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@nonynony: My husband likes the polos in the summer because he can wear them untucked when the heat index is approaching three digits. His office is pretty casual, but that’s about the limit.
I expect some avid golfers around here are pretty pissed about their golf day uniform bring ruined like this. I’ll take any wedge I can find to turn people against Trump. *evil grin*
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@germy: There’s a lot of that on her feed, interspersed with promos for Peter Kirsanow as a guest on her show. I can’t tell if it’s just for the show or if it’s her thing.
Gator90
@Frankensteinbeck: Well, all conservatives believe people should Know Their Place; that belief is the essence of conservatism. As much as I have come to despise conservatives, however, I should hope there is some meaningful distinction to be made between “conservative” and “Nazi sympathizer.”
Jay C
@sharl:
Jack Posobiec is truly a piece of work: I recall that during the recent French election he issued a demand online that he be allowed to address a session of the French Parliament – presumably to put them straight about why they HAD to elect Marine Le Pen. I think he’s still pissed about not getting the invite….
zhena gogolia
Alexandra Petri at WaPo has a great column today. She usually writes humor pieces, but this one is mostly serious, and it’s right on. But there’s one funny part: “Trump promises to turn the world back and bring the curse again. That is implicit in his every speech, a dog whistle strong enough that every dog in America is deaf and in constant pain.”
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro:
Sorry, always read the thread first! You can’t get ahead of the BJ commenters!
Chet
I believe this is the definition of privilege.
Frankensteinbeck
@Gator90:
You might hope that, but the line is vague at best. The problem is that the entire movement is racism. It hooks in other horrible prejudices along the way, but racism founded it and racism drives it. See the evangelical support for Donald Trump, who is the opposite of everything they believe in except that he was openly racist and misogynist. Once the backbone of your political philosophy is racism, it’s quite hard to figure out where the line is drawn to ‘Nazi sympathizer.’
Mnemosyne
@germy:
I wish a motherfucker would.
Mnemosyne
@Frankensteinbeck:
Or, as my spouse puts it, the problem that most conservatives have with the Nazis is that they killed too many Jews. If they’d only restrained themselves to a few hundred thousand, then conservatives could still bring up all of the good points of Nazism.
chris
Looking at the picture, particularly the framed Russian poster(?) on the credenza behind Spencer. Translation, anyone?
WaterGirl
I know it’s OT, but I woke up this morning thinking about Smiling Mortician and wondering how surgery went on Monday. Does anyone know?
Mnemosyne
@LAO:
So, semi-serious question for the defense lawyer:
If you were the killer’s public defender, would you be urging him to cop a plea, or try to take it to trial? I’m pretty sure that some unscrupulous white supremacist lawyer is going to step in soon and push for a trial, but that’s going to be a major pain in the ass given how small the town is. Apparently the town’s public defender had to recuse him/herself because they know one of the victims.
cokane
ehh, Pax is a huge troll so his writing about “pyschic shock” is probably intended to very much rile up liberals… and look. In the same vein, Nuzzi gives way too much column space to Spencer. I understand profiling the man once, or maybe you have an insightful angle on him, but alot of her stuff is essentially just handing him a bigger microphone, over and over.
Keith
@Major Major Major Major: “This is your brain on fascist victimhood …”
Gator90
@Frankensteinbeck: I hear you. Especially since the POTUS himself appears to be a Nazi sympathizer in the most literal sense of that term.
zhena gogolia
@chris:
It’s a poster for “Kino-glaz” (“Cinema-Eye”), a 1924 film by Dziga Vertov.
Chief Oshkosh
@Jeffro: And he gets very well paid for this dreck. No wonder WaPo is kicking the Times’ ass.
chris
@zhena gogolia: Thank you, ZG. Mostly harmless then? My first thought was, “Penetration at all levels!” Adam L. has taught me well.
Chief Oshkosh
@nonynony:
Probably both, but who’s counting?
Raoul
@Jeffro: Jeeeeebus Freakin’ Christ, Brooks is both a moron and an enabler.
Oh. My. God.
Fuck you, Bobo.
Was the powerful response to Kristallnacht modesty? Hitler’s annual Nuremberg rallies in the ’30s would have been perfectly countervailed by modestly dropping one’s pipe out of one’s cushy intellectual mouth in horror, but then in one’s newspaper office modestly type up a “he shouldn’t do that so loud” little op-ed?
He is a disgrace. And the NYT is — once again! — failing at a critical moment in US history.
zhena gogolia
@chris:
Yeah, I don’t know why he would have it. If anything, it would mark sympathy with the Bolsheviks — or a film buff — or a fan of Soviet graphic art.
TenguPhule
@Jeffro:
I have a “modest proposal” for David Brooks. He’s a bit tough, but nothing that long stewing won’t fix.
LAO
@Mnemosyne: Well, it depends. Sometimes, there isn’t an offer (a plea to the top charge with no agreement as to sentence) and as a consequence, no reason not go to trial. If I were his lawyer, much to the shock of non-lawyer people, I would advise him to do what was best for him.
TenguPhule
@LAO:
C is the assumption that you’re dead anyway. So the logical course of action the one that is only probably going to kill you rather then the one who will certainly kill you.
Frankensteinbeck
@Raoul: and @TenguPhule:
“Can’t we go back to the days where we pretended Republicans weren’t racist and punishing minorities was wise and responsible?”
Tony J
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
I totally bow to your superior sartorial skills. And you’re right, of course. Why should they be allowed to have as ‘theirs’ something they didn’t create?
They can’t have polo shirts either. My boy wears a nice white one to school every day and while he – is – a tyrant, he’s no fascist.
Mnemosyne
@cokane:
Nah, these guys really are the Broflakes we think they are. They’re upset because they didn’t get their way.
@LAO:
Given the guy’s past history as a domestic abuser (of his mother) and his Nazi present, I suspect that his idea of what’s best for him and his defense lawyer’s idea of what’s best will be quite divergent.
Raoul
@TenguPhule: Basically, the Flight 93 strategy. Those folks by then knew the hijackers were going to kill them all, so risking it all is what you have left.
TenguPhule
@Frankensteinbeck:
I would like a return to the “Hang the Fucking Nazis” policy of Truman.
But perhaps that was a policy meant for a more civilized age.
TenguPhule
@Raoul:
Yep, training emphasizes Leeroy Jenkins is when you have no other options.
Rincewinding is always the first option.
Newting is second but relies on you being able to find someplace they either can’t get to or that presumably they can’t find.
LAO
@Mnemosyne: I expect it will go to trial because the state will not make an offer below the top count.
LAO
@Mnemosyne: That sound you just heard, was my head hitting my desk. According to TPM — it appears that the appointed counsel may be a right wing loon himself.
Link
From the piece:
Weber is a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed in March seeking to halt the council’s decision to remove a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee that served as a rallying point for the white supremacist rally. He also manages communications for the Monument Fund, also a plaintiff in the same suit.
Boatboy_srq
Wait.
So, the Reichwhingers who got used to cheering on LEOs who shot people for Driving While Blah and Walking With Skittles are now complaining because they themselves were NOT shot?
I haz a confoozed.
celticdragonchick
Rod Dreher is frightened of the horrific lefty mob who tore down the statue in Durham last night.
My take here…
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/comment/381/11673405
TenguPhule
Speaking of Jaw dropping….
When Paul Ryan is the sane one in the primary, the party deserves to die.
seaninclt
Its like they almost learned what its like to be a minority in America.
MisterForkbeard
@celticdragonchick: You know, my company has a branch in Durham and I’ve seen that statue in person when I visited. I should ask some of my co-workers about that whole thing.
Sasha
Nazi Lives Matter.
chris
@zhena gogolia: Some of the IC people on twitter are saying that the Russians are quite pleased with, and probably supporting, the hard right. An awful lot of them have been to Moscow one time or more.
http://thediplomat.com/2016/10/beyond-trump-and-putin-the-american-alt-rights-love-of-the-kremlins-policies/
Omnes Omnibus
@LAO: I would say that he has a conflict.
TenguPhule
Off-topic: David Tennant and Michael Sheen to star in Good Omens TV adaption!
Excuse me while my inner child goes squeeeee.
chris
@zhena gogolia:
More than that, I think, he’s married to a Russian rightwing operator.
http://observer.com/2017/08/charlottesville-alt-right-counterintelligence/
LAO
@Omnes Omnibus: I would like to think so — but he was appointed by a Judge (who presumably knew this). So I guess we shall see.
Mnemosyne
@LAO:
Given that another judge (though out of town) gave the go-ahead to the march being in a small, crowded area with a lot of pedestrians even though the city asked to move it to a larger location, I’m a little skeptical that the judges in this area are making good decisions.
chopper
@Jeffro:
right, bobo, we all know how we defeated the nazis in WWII using the magic power of ‘modesty’. it’s like fucking kryptonite to those assholes.
KS in MA
@Mezz: “Dressing the Man”– Wow, priceless.
zhena gogolia
@chris:
It’s all so weird. I’d expect someone like that to be more into Tsar Nicholas II stuff rather than Dziga Vertov.
Honus
@nonynony:
That and the fact that he held the press conference for the purpose of criticizing the police for not protecting him at the rally the day before.
Jeffro
@zhena gogolia: No problem ZG.
Quite a contrast, Petri vs Brooks today…no better way to show that age =/= wisdom, imho
Honus
@germy: Actually, the dozens of Virginia State Police that forced the Nazis out of the park were in full riot gear. there’s a photo on this page.
https://thinkprogress.org/white-supremacist-rally-charlottesville-9dc4fa92f40c/
Honus
@LAO: Weber was court appointed. I spoke to the lawyer that is counsel of record in that lawsuit about an hour ago. He was pissed about Kessler’s rally and the nazi invasion this weekend.
Honus
@Mnemosyne: I think you’re exactly right. Everyone here, and I mean your generic middle-class republicans and not just the liberals, are asking if the death penalty is available and why Fields was only charged with second degree. Weber is an old local guy and will be trying to cop a plea. I expect some big-time right wing crank lawyer (say Jay Sekulow if he wasn’t already busy) to roll in and conduct a show trial for the publicity and fund raising potential that will result in Fields getting life and being a martyr for the racists.
LAO
@Honus: What is the incentive for the state to offer a plea that is better than a top charge count? The crime was caught on multiple videos and his racism is well documented. And the world is outraged. I don’t see any incentive. I would expect a trial whether or not a right wing crank lawyer took the case.
ruckus
@hitchhiker:
This is why I called it war, not terrorism the other day. It was a group of assholes who wanted to openly attack people they think deserve it. There was no sneaking around, there was an open murder, and I’d bet that driver’s main regret is that he didn’t kill more people.
Millard Filmore
@Omnes Omnibus:
The lawyer will obviously fully and vigorously support and defend Mr Fields. What is the conflict?
Mnemosyne
@Millard Filmore:
Apparently the lawyer who was appointed by the court is on vacation and doesn’t know about it yet.
Edmund Dantes — who is a family lawyer in KY — says that this is what a judge does to a lawyer he particularly hates.