Woah, Hold on Now, I’m not THAT Kind of Nazi

One of the things that is becoming clear to me is that while there are a metric shit-ton of these alt-rights douchebros out there, this is the first time they have ever had to deal with the reality of their bullshit:

Mr Cvjetanovic said he was shocked at the coverage the photo of him at the protest has received.

“I did not expect the photo to be shared as much as it was. I understand the photo has a very negative connotation. But I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.”

“As a white nationalist, I care for all people. We all deserve a future for our children and for our culture. White nationalists aren’t all hateful; we just want to preserve what we have.”

Because when you think of white nationalists, what you immediately think of is caring for all people. I too this screenshot Saturday night before he inevitably deleted his facebook account.

Obviously, he’s lying. And obviously there are a lot of hard core klansmen and neo-nazis out there. But I am wondering how many of these fucking assholes are just cosplay nazis who have spent the last few years fapping on 4chan and reddit boards, and live in their own little bubbles and think there are a lot more of them than there really are?

You know these jackasses are all in the same forums comingling with gamergaters and MRA shitheads and the like. And they felt emboldened by Trump and his tacit approval of their behaviors and beliefs, so they all attended the rally, without hoods.

But now they are out there and hearing from their peers and people who had no clue they were doing this shit. Like the mother of the scumbag James Alex Fields, who had no idea what her son was involved with:

“I didn’t know it was white supremacists… I thought it had something to do with Trump.”

SAME THING LADY.

I wonder if these assholes are going to rethink their behavior now that everyone is getting a good look at them and weighing in? I hope.

At any rate, it’s not like we weren’t warned.

But her emails.






257 replies
  1. 1
    JPL says:

    The cowards are learning that there are consequences for hate speech. Sad!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Ayup. All the way.

    Donald was like an 8 year old being forced to apologize for egging the neighbor’s house today. Reading a statement he obviously didn’t believe in off a teleprompter. Opening up the statement with boasting about the economy that Obama handed to him.

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    Cain says:

    You have shit outside of the toilet and you gotta clean it up.

  5. 5

    the local coverage on this clown is almost fawning. of course, the reporter married into a powerful n. nevada republican family.
    here’s a linky

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mnemosyne: One of the guys in the audience is a dead ringer for Chuck Schumer.

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    Brachiator says:

    Dear Racist Asswipes: This is why you wear hoods.

    Django Unchained. Hood scene.

    ETA: I couldn’t bring myself to follow this crap. Were there any white nationalist women marching with these goons, or was this a display of puerile white manliness?

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    randy khan says:

    My comment on this guy (and, really, all the guys who are going to try to say this) is simple: If you’re not that kind of violent white supremacist, which kind of violent white supremacist are you?

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    jl says:

    Some commenters in thread below said Trump’s been flashing those weirdo white power gang signs. Seems to me that many of his advisors do that. I think important to explore that. OK, so even the likes of Sessions and maybe Kelly, and maybe Ivanka and his wife, badgered Trump into doing the bare minimum days after the event. ‘All sides’ my ass. That was just not true. It was a lie, to be blunt about it. Not enough. I think now the vast majority of the country is going to have issues and questions that need to addressed and answered about how poisonous this guy’s personal views really are, and how that is affecting policy. We know about Bannon, Miller, and Gorka and that nutcase that was fired from the NSC (I think it was the NSC…)

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    just some person says:

    This might be something people here would like to support:

    https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist

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    father pussbucket says:

    Post headline FTW. Got a much-needed laugh.

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    jl says:

    Now press needs to ask Trump why he told the ‘all sides’ lie in his initial statement. There have been some dust-ups between black bloc anarchists and Trumpsters where you could say ‘all sides’. Been some in the SF Bay Area. This was not one of them. Not at all. Trump needs to explain why he lied to the country about what happened.

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    Cacti says:

    Multiple commenters to the linked article pointed out, if Mr. Cvjetanovic visited the old country, he’d be shocked to learn that many Western Europeans tend to look down on Slavs and don’t think of them as their brethren in whiteness.

    Hitler despised Slavic peoples.

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    Gator90 says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yes, the message has already been sent and received. They know he didn’t mean it, that he was compelled to say it because of politics, and that he is their friend and champion.

    Cue the media: Today he became President…

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    feebog says:

    But I am wondering how many of these fucking assholes are just cosplay nazis who have spent the last few years fapping on 4chan and reddit boards, and live in their own little bubbles and think there are a lot more of them than there really are?

    This. Armchair Nazis who fantasize about shooting dark skinned people and getting into race wars. If they were ever in a real shooting situation they would shit themselves and run screaming for Mama. I fully approve of outing these morons and having them face the consequences of their hate and bigotry. Losing their job or getting kicked out of school is the very least that should happen to these scumbags. Time to push back, hard.

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    The only thing that makes me feel a little better is that these people lost. Their statues are coming down. Their country is becoming more diverse. Their world is crumbling. As long as we can take the country back.

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    Brachiator says:

    Mr Cvjetanovic said he was shocked at the coverage the photo of him at the protest has received.

    “I did not expect the photo to be shared as much as it was. I understand the photo has a very negative connotation.

    The denotation ain’t so hot, either.

    res ipsa loquitur, muthafucka. Res ipsa loquitur

    But I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.”

    What? Some days he’s a happy racist?

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    LAO says:

    This will never not be funny to me — that the “alt-right” Nazi dudebros are such giant fucking snowflakes.

    Obviously, I don’t think that Nazis and white nationalists are funny as a rule — but for them to believe that they can espouse hate IRL with no RL consequences, is remarkably stupid to me.

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    But I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.

    Sorry, BRO. Go fuck yourself.

    ETA: people like this asshole are why I run Google searches on every job candidate that applies.

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    Ruckus says:

    @LAO:

    is remarkably stupid to me.

    Really, could you realistically expect better?

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio) says:

    I was entertained by the thread on Twitter from young Master Peter’s classmates at UN-Reno. It seems as if they mostly had his number already, before this weekend, and while they were disgusted to hear he’d been in Charlottesville, they weren’t very surprised. I suspect this fall is going to be an interesting time for him on campus, even if the school administration turns a blind eye in his direction.

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    Karen says:

    Back from drive, drove through one group of homes that has new campaign banners “Trump MAGA” and signs Hillary “lock her up”; Pence wasn’t mentioned or if was didn’t see. The Hillary signs were on top of mailboxes next to road. While the banners were probably 2 feet by 5 feet or close to it.
    Guess they have to spend the new money on something

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    GregB says:

    His mother said he was going to an Albright rally!

    I knew the Clinton’s were behind this!

  24. 24
    mellowjohn says:

    “I’m not really a Nazi; I just play one at Nazi rallies.”

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    ET says:

    I love how Go Daddy is cancelling the service for Daily Stormer. I am sure they will be able to find a new home but still it is funny.

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    “As a white nationalist, I care for all people.”

    No, you don’t, you’ve made it obvious that you don’t, and you should stop saying that you do, it makes you appear even more of a two-bit ratfuck racist asshole than ever.

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    Sab says:

    I went to a respectable middle-class college in the Midwest with guys like this. We need to purge them, because they are everywhere.

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    tinare says:

    I’m an awful person, but I was thoroughly enjoying the one video on Twitter that showed one guy who’s apparently a well know white nationalist, crying like a toddler from being pepper sprayed. Now, I’m sure that’s not fun and I would be a total wimp about that, but these guys like to think they’re tough, so the sight of him crying “help, help, I need milk” and his bros telling him to calm down made me quite happy.

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    trollhattan says:

    Dylann Roof is an interesting litmus test for these people.
    * I denounce him, what he did and everything he stands for.
    * While I don’t support his actions I understand where he was coming from.
    * His photo is on my desk as a reminder of his sacrifice.

    Choose one, assholes.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @tinare: To be fair, being pepper sprayed will cause you to cry like a toddler. It’s what pepper spray does…incapacitates you and causes your eyes to water and sting something fierce.

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    tinare says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: The crying I was referring to were not his eyes, but his mouth…

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    Annie says:

    Josh Marshall had this guy sized up on Sunday:

    “Well, you were just photographed frothing from the mouth and chanting white power and nazi slogans at a racist rally. So I’m going to figure that’s probably you.”

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    d58826 says:

    Anti-Government Extremist Arrested After Trying To Blow Up Fake Bomb
    Jerry Drake Varnell, who wanted the bombing to serve as a “wake up call,” was arrested in an FBI sting.

    and the hate goes on

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....mg00000009

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    Like the mother of the scumbag James Alex Fields, who had no idea what her son was involved with:

    “I didn’t know it was white supremacists… I thought it had something to do with Trump.”

    I am having some difficulty believing this statement.

    Hope her kid ain’t living with her. She’ll be sued down to the rafters, not that there’s going to be much there. There never is with these people.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    RE: Hair Furor:

    Quote from Fox exclusive:

    “I am seriously considering a pardon for Sheriff Arpaio,” the president said Sunday, during a conversation with Fox News at his club in Bedminster, N.J. “He has done a lot in the fight against illegal immigration. He’s a great American patriot and I hate to see what has happened to him.”

    Disgusting.

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    LAO says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: He cried about on twitter. After the fact.

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    JanieM says:

    @Brachiator: I saw one photo of part of a march, and one of the marchers in the pic was a woman. Beyond that I don’t know.

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    jl says:

    @Cacti: I think most of the white power Trumpsters fall into that category. They are honorary white men in the US, I suppose allowed in the club to mass forces against the black brown and yellow hordes at the gate. I wouldn’t have been considered white in the 19th century. I can read stuff from my family Irish ancestors wrote down and left behind for future generations. They were very conscious of being ‘Irishmen’ So, I think about that and conclude it’s all BS, and these racists just want to be in that vicious and evil BS ‘white man’ club. Would be more hilarious if it weren’t so evil and dangerous.

    Alexanders Hamilton’s phrase ‘a spectacle both hilarious and disgusting’ comes to mind often these days. As does Madison’s ‘tragedy and farce, perhaps both’.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    “Colorful”? Bile is colorful; Arpaio is a fucking concentration camp warden.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @feebog:

    Armchair Nazis who fantasize about shooting dark skinned people and getting into race wars. If they were ever in a real shooting situation they would shit themselves and run screaming for Mama.

    Only they plan their scenarios so that they’re the only ones shooting, or driving the car, or “insert violent act here”.

    Because they know there are no involuntary life terminations for them in their future.

    They’re cowards, but cowards tend to cause the most damage.

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    germy says:

    @mellowjohn:

    “I’m not really a Nazi; I just play one at Nazi rallies.”

    Here’s a reader comment I saw on a news channel website:

    No it had the intended results of the local and state officials who colluded with DNC and Soros funded groups who started the violence at this rally and trying to erase history is not the way to stop violence , will you liberals ever learn. If these monuments can be moved then maybe we should start moving monuments out of Washington like the MLK or Lincoln Memorials where does it stop . The picture with the guy holding the shield is BS because a simple google search would tell you that these shields were given away to anyone who wanted them and at best this guy was a Nazi sympathizer and not a Nazi Party member. Of course this information for the article was obtained from other hate groups like the SPLC who also labeled our returning troops terrorist so they have no credibility like the mayor, police and governor of Charlotte and Virginia

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    SenyorDave says:

    @Betty Cracker: I think this will be a good test for Kelly. I have to think that Kelly would be advising him not to pardon this scumbag, since there really is no upside. If he does it, I assume that Kelly doesn’t really have that much influence.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Disgusting.

    And yet completely unsurprising.

    Crime pays when the criminals are in charge of the rules.

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    tobie says:

    @Karen: I feel like I’m missing some context here. Who keeps campaign yard signs and placards up 6 months after the election?

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    rikyrah says:

    They all big and bad…then they shouldn’t mind Twitter detectives finding out who they are.

    No marching with hoods……well, then now…let’s find out who you are.

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    rikyrah says:

    There’s a reason the most hateful fringe of the right wing is supporting Donald Trump.https://t.co/AqB3DM2m0N

    — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) August 25, 2016

    just want a t-shirt with a picture of Hillary on it…

    in capital letters:

    SHE.WAS.RIGHT.ABOUT.IT.ALL.

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    jl says:

    A sign of what a public opinion disaster this is going to be for them: it was a false flag operation!
    Alex Jones Says Charlottesville ‘Looks Staged,’ Recalls Jews Posing As Nazis
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....conspiracy

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    LAO says:

    @germy:

    I’m reminded of my favorite tweet:

    If calling you Nazi is all it takes to make you a Nazi, then you were already a Nazi, Mr. Nazi McNaziwitz, Mayor of Nazitown in Nazi county. https://t.co/OcEi9a4TGS— Myke Cole (@MykeCole) August 12, 2017

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    Mike in DC says:

    @germy:

    “Oh, I’m not a Nazi, I’m just a Nazi sympathizer.”

    “In that case, I’m not going to punch you. My friend is going to punch you, and I’m going to sympathize with him.”

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    zzyzx says:

    White nationalists aren’t all hateful; we just want to preserve what we have.

    That doesn’t sound too bad until you realize, “what you have,” is systematic advantages. “We’re not racist. We just want to make sure that racist power structures that help us never go away!”

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    ksmiami says:

    @Cacti: Yes – the Slavs were grouped by Hitler early as untermenschen that needed to be uprooted / eliminated to make room for the plans of greater Germany. And yet, this kid is all in on fascism. How do we go on sharing a country with these “deplorables?”

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    jl says:

    These ‘white nationalists’ racists need to be reminded that they are the ones who polluted the historical significance of their cherished Confederate monuments, and Confederate battle flag when they used them as pretexts for violently imposed white supremacy and injustice for the last 130 years. If they wonder why their cherished history and their cherished historical symbols and monuments are so controversial and offensive to so many people now, they should go look in the mirror.

    Edit: but that is beyond people who create the atmosphere of a 1900 lynching in their attempts to preserve what they cherish. What do they really cherish?

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    trollhattan says:

    @germy:
    Oh, that’s rich.
    “I’m not a ‘Nazi Party member’ because while I filled out and mailed in the application I never sent a check for the dues [rhymes with…] Game, set and match, libs!”

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    Boussinesque says:

    At a Le Boulanger in the Bay Area, old white dude just walked by me wearing a t-shirt saying “BORN FREE but Taxed to Death!”. Resisting the urge to cause a public disturbance. We have lower tax rates than practically any point in our history, and it’s STILL too much of a fucking imposition for these assholes. They can’t age up and die out fast enough, imho.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan: What I find alarming is that folks who leave comments like his live among me. They could be behind me on the highway, walking past my house, subcontracting for someone I hired to to do home repair.

    Invasion of the body snatchers stuff.

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    gene108 says:

    Mr Cvjetanovic

    Just based on the last name, isn’t he the sort of Slavic scum Hitler would’ve marched off to the camps as a matter of principle?

    The Hitler-era Nazi’s had a rather narrow view of who was and who was not “white”.

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    trollhattan says:

    @jl:
    Wonder how frealz marching nazis and KKKrs feel about being labeled undercover Jews? Doesn’t it kinda undercut their brave, patriotic, very much public actions?

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    Ian G. says:

    It makes me sleep easier at night knowing these pathetic fuckers would have lasted about 3 seconds in a frozen Stalingrad foxhole with the Waffen SS. First time as tragedy, second as farce.

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    trollhattan says:

    @germy:
    Ever since November my calculus for sizing people up has changed and I’m always asking myself, “Now just who did you vote for?” Don’t like living like this.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan:

    Wonder how frealz marching nazis and KKKrs feel about being labeled undercover Jews? Doesn’t it kinda undercut their brave, patriotic, very much public actions?

    Good point; I hadn’t thought of that. They tune in to his show for validation, and he calls them undercover Jewish agitators.

    Dumbshits in Disarray.

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    Origuy says:

    It looks like that claim that Anonymous took over the Daily Stormer was a hoax. Anonymous is denying it.

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    LAO says:

    @trollhattan: Although, if you think about it, the chant about not being replaced by Jews sort of makes some sense now. Maybe they were afraid that they’ll be replaced by Jewish actors, pretending to be white nationalists, at the next rally. Hmm.

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    trollhattan says:

    @gene108:
    Cvjetanovic is just an unfortunate misspelling of Krieger, honest!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Ian G.:

    It makes me sleep easier at night knowing these pathetic fuckers would have lasted about 3 seconds in a frozen Stalingrad foxhole with the Waffen SS. First time as tragedy, second as farce.

    I would sleep easier if all of them were already there.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    Thus far this morning:

    I spoke with a staff person at the office of the President of the University of Nevada-Reno (775-784-4805). I expressed my horror that one of their current students is a Nazi, and said that Pres. Johnson’s weekend statement on social media is completely inadequate for the seriousness of the matter.

    I phoned the main office of Phi Kappa Phi and left voicemail for Executive Director Mary Todd (800-804-9880, x221) to say how appalled I am that this student is a current member of their honor society.

    Also phoned the US Dept. of Justice, my Senators, my US Rep, and the local office of the Republican Rep whose district adjoins ours, saying that I expected them to speak out strongly in opposition to the Nazis.

    Lastly I phoned the CEO of the Bedminster Golf Club (main number 908-470-4400). Left him a voicemail message saying that I was ashamed of the President’s reprehensible behavior in this situation, and asked the CEO to pass the message along to his boss.

    I’ve had no luck reaching Google, which has reportedly accepted the hosting duties for the Nazi website Daily Stormer. Google’s main line is 650-253-0000, with a half-hour wait time. Can’t do that on my limited phone-plan minutes, alas. Anyone else with a more flexible phone plan, and a desire to comment to Google about this?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan:

    Ever since November my calculus for sizing people up has changed and I’m always asking myself, “Now just who did you vote for?” Don’t like living like this.

    Sorry, this is going to be the new normal.

    Trumpsters are the new unclean caste, with much better justifications.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @jl: I believe this will be convincing to no one who is not already a Jones cult member.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan: Back in the 1960s you could sort of make sweeping generalizations about where folks’ heads were at, based on their personal appearance. Like a 1969 college republican didn’t look like an SDS member.

    Nowadays, a 29 year old with a beard could be a hipster, a jam band fan, a duck dynasty enthusiast, a sovereign citizen, a libertarian, a bernie-bro, a MAGA dude, or a balloon-juicer.

    Shallow I know, but I can’t judge by fashion choices anymore.

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    trollhattan says:

    @LAO:
    By golly, that’s just the kind of triple-secret-probation action that Soros and his minions love to pull, and we all know what George’s ethnicity is.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    Poor Peter… here he is, sobbing, “… my life had just begun, and now I’ve gone and thrown it all away….”.

    Ignorance is the mind killer (along with fear).

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    Nice work, Republicans. You elected Nazi Joe Isuzu.

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    aimai says:

    @SenyorDave: But there is no downside to pardoning him, either. None. Just as there is no downside to any of Trump’s moves–for Trump.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @H.E.Wolf: Google has rejected The Daily Stormer.

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    trollhattan says:

    @TenguPhule:
    GoT has the unsullied, we have the sullied. Lucky us.

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    jl says:

    Anyone in the press ask Trump why he told the ‘many sides’ lie yet? Did some of his white power racist flunkies misinform him, or did he know it was not true just go out and lie to the country by his own self? Can he answer or do Sessions, Ivanka and Melania need to tell him what to say?

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Thank you for the update! I am very glad to hear that Google has rejected the Daily Stormer as a customer.

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    Ian G. says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I hear ya. I never once considered the need to exercise my 2nd amendment rights until Trump’s election, now there are moments like Saturday where I think it might be a good idea to learn how to use a gun, in case I’m ever under attack by Nazis.

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    randy khan says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    Freddy Mercury would like a word with you.

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    randy khan says:

    @aimai:

    I bet there’s no pardon. Just a hunch, but Arpaio hasn’t really done anything for Trump and doesn’t have anything on him.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Ian G.: You know what gets me, that fucking Nazi used a tactic ISIS has been shouting about for months and which was used in the UK just 2 months ago and NOBODY in our fucking media has connected the dots yet.

    The domestic terrorists are copying from the foreign ones.

    But of course, “angry white loners”.

    This is not going to end well.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    Before Trump leaves office I expect him to issue blanket pardons to every registered Republican in the U.S. So many pardons.

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    germy says:


    deleted

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    jl says:

    @jl: Before I get flamed, was some snark there. The idea that the likes of Sessons, Ivanka and Melania know what to say, but Trump doesn’t. Really amazing. I want Trump to explain his “many sides” lie. I really do. He needs to be asked about it. Until he answers.

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    trollhattan says:

    Oye, having a hard time keeping up on all the righty whitey butthurt.

    Alt-right protests against Google’s allegedly anti-white-male diversity policies were already being planned before the white-supremacist violence in Charlottesville this last weekend. And organizers of the March on Google in (at last count) nine cities are trying to distinguish themselves from the motley gang of neo-Nazis, Kluxers, and open white supremacists who held the Unite the Right rally in Virginia. They issued a statement that closely tracks the evasive take on Charlottesville of you-know-who in the White House:

    We, the organizers of the March on Google, join the President in condemning the actions in Charlottesville on August 12th. Despite many false rumors from those seeking to discredit us we are in no way associated with any group who organized there.

    We condemn in the strongest possible terms any display of hatred and bigotry from any side. It has no place in America. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society.

    Which one will David Brooks speak at?

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    germy says:

    "Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America, now watch me pardon Sheriff Joe." pic.twitter.com/rY3pvJ4DXc— Schooley (@Rschooley) August 14, 2017

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    LAO says:

    @randy khan: The have a fairly tight relationship. My gut — Trump will pardon Arpaio. (Although to be technical about — Arpaio isn’t technically convicted, until after he is sentenced. I’m not sure if that matters).

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    LAO says:

    In NYC, we have a tradition involving a giant blow up rat. Whenever there is a union strike, a giant blowup rat is also present.

    Looks like someone made a new rat:

    Corner of 59th/5th, two and a half blocks up from Castle Trumpula pic.twitter.com/0VNeWKohq4— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) August 14, 2017

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    Shalimar says:

    @randy khan: Arpaio and Trump were birther brothers-in-arms for many years, with both even claiming to have sent investigators to Hawaii to uncover the truth. Arpaio was an early Trump supporter and might have influenced a few people to vote for Trump who wouldn’t have otherwise, though it is unlikely his support made any difference since their fan bases overlap so much.

    If Trump were the loyal type who rewarded supporters, he would pardon Joe. Since Trump is more the jealous type who punishes those who help him to prove that he alone deserves credit, who knows.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    They need to be on the dark web anyway.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @Ian G.:
    I believe that it’s much more appropriate to learn to use our 1st Amendment rights: speak up, peaceably assemble, petition for redress of grievances (aluminum pole optional), etc.

    If John R. Lewis could get by without a gun, so can we. (His 1995 memoir “Walking With the Wind” is amazing. Having finished that, I’m now reading his 2012 book “Across That Bridge”.)

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    germy says:

    @LAO: I wonder if this new inflatable rat has met the giant inflatable chicken in Washington? If they got together, their offspring would resemble a giant inflatable jeff lord.

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    NotMax says:

    “This? You mean the tattoo that says SS? No, that’s to show support for Sean Spicer.”

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @randy khan:

    Purposeful (though unattributed) quote. I knew everyone would recognize the author. The point though is that the singer never explains why he put a gun against a head and pulled the trigger. He just acts dismayed, dumbfounded, and ponders only how his own life now sucks.

    There are mega-tons of morons in the world who do not know about cause and effect, empathetic choices, basic honor and integrity.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    This moron needs to STFU when that wOman
    lost her life. He can change his life or not and continue. She’s dead. Her friends and family will never even talk to her.

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    LAO says:

    Announcing you might pardon a racist birther is a great way to show the anti-racism speech you just delivered wasn't at all begrudging.— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) August 14, 2017

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    Ruckus says:

    @Boussinesque:
    I’m an old geezer and when people complain to me about taxes I ask them, what do you think you’d get if you had no taxes? Roads, hospitals, doctor and nurse standards, schools, clean air, clean water, safe food,safer cars, police, fire dept, national parks, state parks, trade protections, military protection, building codes, etc, they are all paid for by your and my taxes. I don’t have to like it but I am actually proud to pay taxes. To be a part of a society that provides for my daily safety and ability to work safely, for all of the things that living in a modern society requires. Then I tell them that if they don’t want to pay taxes and to not live in a reasonable modern society then they can move to Somalia. They have nothing that resembles a modern society there.

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    Ian G. says:

    @H.E.Wolf:

    In my bad moments, I have that feeling, like when a Nazi jihadist runs people over. I still don’t own a gun and have fired one once in my life, 15 years ago.

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    NotMax says:

    On a serious note, anyone have link(s) to reputable entities raising funds for the victims and victims’ families?

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    Hal says:

    Every passing day of this administration must be stroke inducing to Hillary Clinton.

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    sharl says:

    @NotMax: I’ve seen two or three that I consider reputable, based on referrals from people on twitter whom I trust, but I’m not sure I’d be comfortable recommending them to others on that basis.

    I did see that contributions for Heather Heyer (R.I.P.) and the young black man beaten in the parking garage had exceeded their initial goals, so that was good news.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @H.E.Wolf:

    I believe that it’s much more appropriate to learn to use our 1st Amendment rights: speak up, peaceably assemble, petition for redress of grievances (aluminum pole optional), etc.

    And then get run over by a car. Or shot in a church.

    1st amendment depends on a fair system of laws vigorously enforced by the government and backed up by social norms and customs.

    The Fascists are termiting the foundations of all of that.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    “Trump’s not a supremacist.”

    Pull the other one lady.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @trollhattan:

    GoT has the unsullied, we have the sullied. Lucky us.

    They got the firebreathing dragons, we got the grand dragons.

    I want to fucking trade.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    As we saw on Saturday and other similar rallies, they attach flags to long 2×4s to qualify as “flag poles” but in reality are just clubs to bash in the skulls of the evil SJeWs

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    “Trump’s not a supremacist.”

    This is technically true, he doesn’t believe that white people in general are superior.

    Trump just believes everyone else is inferior to him.

    All of his animals are equal, but some of them are much tastier then others.

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    randy khan says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    I figured it was on purpose.

    The song does leave some ambiguity (well, a lot) about why he killed a man – all we get is “put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger, now he’s dead.” (Yes, I can quote those lyrics quite extensively. Also American Pie. What can I say?)

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    NotMax says:

    @>a href=”https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/08/14/woah-hold-on-now-im-not-that-kind-of-nazi/#comment-6513263″>Ruckus

    Nitpick, but technically, not Somalia in toto.

    The Somaliland area (which has been seeking international recognition as an independent country for many, many years) and to a slightly lesser extent Punt province have been and continue to be islands of sustainability and autonomous governmental durability.

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    @trollhattan: The one sponsored by Vichy Times.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:
    A distinction without a difference in the end, going by causal reasoning.

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    H.E.Wolf says:

    @Ian G.:
    Understood and respected, although I choose otherwise for myself.

    John Lewis writes eloquently and movingly of the Civil Rights movement’s commitment to non-violence, and how it gave them unstoppable, unconquerable strength and an eventual victory against their very violent opposition.

    I am in awe of that strength. I hope to live my life with as much of that grace and fortitude as I can.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    A distinction without a difference in the end, going by causal reasoning.

    Dude, the humor is in the subtlety. Reread it again.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @TenguPhule:

    All of his animals are equal, but some of them are much tastier then others.

    Ah. Carry on then.

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    HeleninEire says:

    Too many stupid white men. Those who got the high paying union jobs and decided they deserved them.

    I grew up with these assholes. And they are still assholes. And I am old.

    One of the biggest lies perpetuated by the stupid blue collar Republicans was “all they need to do is pull themselves up by their bootstraps”. They lie about that. Barrack Obama and his wife pulled themselves up. AND THEY HATE THEM. Because they don’t mean pull yourself up by your bootstraps and become President of the US. They mean “pull yourself up by your bootstraps and become a janitor and get off welfare.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Start calling them necrophiliacs and see if the logic of cause and effect holds based on what they do.

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    Ruckus says:

    @NotMax:
    Like the morons I’m talking about would know that. Look a how little they do know about their own country, I could have picked any number of countries and the result would be the same. Even countries that don’t have the connotation of using Somalia. Hell I probably could have used any number of states in this country.

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    sharl says:

    @NotMax: Despite my occasional issues with him, I’ll trust that Jake Tapper wouldn’t put his reputation on the line carelessly

    Verified @gofundme for counter-protester Natalie Romero, injured in the vehicular attack. https://t.co/hY4F0I07gD— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) August 14, 2017

    The GoFundMe’s for Heather Heyer’s mom (Susan Bro) and Dre Harris (the young black man beaten in the parking garage) far exceeded their original goals, and neither is accepting further donations.

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    NotMax says:

    @HeleninEire

    First denying the ability to get or have access to boots is the assholes’ creed.

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    HeleninEire says:

    The other big lie from Republicans is “We want limited government.” Rs don’t want limited government. They want government limited to the shit they want. h/t Jon Stewart.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @rikyrah:

    SHE.WAS.RIGHT.ABOUT.IT.ALL.

    I think she got the proportion of deplorables among his supporters wrong; it’s a lot more than half.

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    K488 says:

    I teach at a big midwestern university, and was at the coffee shop today. For the first time I found myself wondering how many of the buff, proud young white men I was standing amongst might actually be closet Nazis. Not a good feeling! Given that my area is music, and that the students were mostly from the school of music, I figured that probably the percentage would be negligible, but still, the thought crossed my mind. I’ve been around awhile; I found myself identifying with a very minor figure in the beer garden scene in Cabaret, the moment when an older man is withdrawing in disgust from the celebration of the youth singing The Future Belongs to Me in Nazi youth garb. I teach an awful lot of music from the early 20th century, with a big emphasis on what became called “degenerate music” by the Nazis. I look forward to some serious teaching moments in the months to come.

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    Amanda in the South Bay says:

    @jl: Trump uses a lot of really…well, if he was a Democrat conservatives would call his hand gestures effeminate.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Wait, what?

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    Mike J says:

    For many of the people, the entire point is making people angry. It’s funny to see somebody sputtering with impotent rage.

    They’ve never had to face any consequences for making someone angry. Had they been kicked in the balls at age 13 when they first started trying to push people, perhaps they’d be more polite now.

    It’s bizarre how many people defend pewdiepie and his ilk. If you tell people over and over again that you’re a nazi just to get a reaction out of them, you should not be surprised when they react.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I’m sure this has been noted, but I just now noticed it: the guy in the photo at the top even has a Hitler hairdo! WTF?

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    JPL says:

    @sharl: This is from the go fund me page

    Ms Chaves, I was with your daughter in this march; right behind her. I am so sorry this has happened to you and your family. What she was doing was brave and good and you can be very proud of her. I stayed with her until help came to transport her to the hospital, along with another. We all care very much what you are going through and our prayers are with you. Please contact me if there is something I can do here locally. She is strong and I pray she is going to be okay.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @trollhattan:

    We, the organizers of the March on Google, join the President in condemning the actions in Charlottesville on August 12th. Despite many false rumors from those seeking to discredit us we are in no way associated with any group who organized there.

    We condemn in the strongest possible terms any display of hatred and bigotry from any side. It has no place in America. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society.

    “But if you’re a female or melanin-enhanced citizen, we should be able to deny your right to work at certain professions because SCIENCE. See. it’s totally not the same thing at all, how can you even *think* we sound like Nazis?!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @K488:

    my area is music

    Does your nym by any chance refer to Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23?

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ruckus:

    when people complain to me about taxes I ask them, what do you think you’d get if you had no taxes? Roads, hospitals, doctor and nurse standards, schools, clean air, clean water, safe food,safer cars, police, fire dept, national parks, state parks, trade protections, military protection, building codes, etc, they are all paid for by your and my taxes.

    I do this as well. I’ve done it standing in line at county clerk’s offices in long lines where everyone gets irritable and starts complaining about how not enough windows are open to serve the public. I’ll say, “They eliminated employees because taxes were cut and their funding was cut with it. You want more people at the windows? Then there has to be more money to pay them. We pay one way or the other. How much is your time worth? Is the hour you’re standing in line worth the few pennies more per year you’d pay on taxes? No? Then maybe cutting taxes isn’t the answer to everything.”

    I actually got one guy to agree with me on it, which was kind of rewarding.

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    Jay C says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Presumably NOT the guy in the kilt….?

    And did the Afrika-Korps-wannabee win?

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    JPL says:

    I missed this at the end of Trump’s statement. His idea of unity seems amiss.
    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/897175029393260544

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    sharl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Aw jeez, I’d forgotten all about this guy. If I recall correctly this story caused a minor stir back in 2010, but at least he lost (per Wikipedia):

    2010………Marcia C. Kaptur:…121,819……………Rich Iott:…83,423

    Iott did do a lot better in 2010 – a very good year for the GOP – than “Joe the Plumber” did in 2012, for whatever that is worth (e.g., 2012 was a Presidential election year).

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    sharl says:

    @JPL: Ah thanks. I was pretty sure that fundraiser was legit, and your excerpt is (for me) further confirmation.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: What was worse is that Acosta from CNN is today’s pool reporter. He’s the only one allowed to ask a question in that kind of setting. He’s asking for the entire press corps. And, if I’m recalling correctly, the questions he asks, or would ask, are arrived at after discussion among the entire White House press corps.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @H.E.Wolf:

    When I bought a couple of URLs from Google, the process was automated, so the Daily Stormer guys probably bought it without anyone at Google being aware that that’s what they did. That’s why letting Google know was the right thing to do.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @tobie: I suspect those may be new campaign signs, given how Trump started his official re-election campaign literally within days of the inauguration. He also launched his new campaign video on Saturday. Tone deaf doesn’t begin to describe him.

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    Yarrow says:

    @zhena gogolia: They all have Hitler hairdos. It’s the alt-right thing.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @trollhattan:

    We condemn in the strongest possible terms any display of hatred and bigotry from any side.

    Fuck these guys. Yeah, the biggest problem we’re facing today is bigotry from non-whites, so we need to make sure to specify that in every fucking press release.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Boussinesque:

    “BORN FREE but Taxed to Death!”

    Funny, you look pretty spry for a corpse. Maybe we should raise your taxes higher?

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    LAO says:

    @Yarrow: It has a name — “the fasci.” I kid you not.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @TenguPhule:

    And then get run over by a car. Or shot in a church.

    Welcome to the Civil Rights Movement. People participated knowing full well that they were risking their lives, and they did it anyway.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    if I’m recalling correctly, the questions he asks, or would ask, are arrived at after discussion among the entire White House press corps.

    Someone’s gonna slip soon, and just flat-out ask the president* why he’s such a colossal asshole. An Arpaio pardon might do it.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @K488:

    Well, if they adore Wagner, you’ll know.

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    Jeffro says:

    Btw you have to love The Onion: they’ve got an article up titled, “White Nationalists: Do They Have a Hidden Agenda?”

    You have to laugh or you’ll cry.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thanks (I think). Was merely gobsmacked until reaching this nugget.

    Iott says he does not recall exactly when he joined the Wiking group (his name appears on a unit roster as far back as 2003), but did so with his son “as a father-son bonding thing.”

    What in the ever-loving hell causes a parent to think Nazi reinactment porn is a good way to bond with your kid? This seems as misguided as mother Lanza taking her kid shooting.

    Relieved to learn he was not elected.

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    geg6 says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Exactly right. And we must be prepared in the same way.

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    trollhattan says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Look at you with your fancy Köchel numbers and all. Trying to class-up the joint? ;-)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @HeleninEire:

    One of the biggest lies perpetuated by the stupid blue collar Republicans was “all they need to do is pull themselves up by their bootstraps”

    Only white men were supposed to have bootstraps.

    Everyone else was expected to go barefoot.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: If you listen carefully there’s a statement, not question, follow up that isn’t particularly respectful.

    This week is going to be a zoo. Axios reported yesterday that the next line of attack on McMaster is coming this week since the anti-Semitism crap didn’t really work last week.
    https://www.axios.com/anti-mcmaster-campaign-is-about-to-get-uglier-2472606148.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan:

    What in the ever-loving hell causes a parent to think Nazi reinactment porn is a good way to bond with your kid?

    Are you expecting me (Jewish American) to answer this?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Welcome to the Civil Rights Movement. People participated knowing full well that they were risking their lives, and they did it anyway.

    Which only works when you don’t have actual Fascists in charge of the government. The tactics of the last war are not going to work against an enemy which is preparing to fight a new one.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Are you expecting me (Jewish American) to answer this?

    Of course!

    Two rabbis, five opinions.

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    Hoodie says:

    It’s fascinating to see how Trump still can’t bring himself to directly condemn nazis. If you watch today’s remarks and those on Saturday, it’s clear that he’s robotically reading from the TelePrompTer when he’s “condemning ” racism (today) and violence (Saturday), suggesting he really doesn’t internalize the condemnation (contrast with Obama’s emotion when talking about something like Sandy Hook or Charleston). In addition, many of his comments are weirdly passive voice (e.g., “white supremacism has been condemned “). There is some deep seated reluctance, as if he knows he’s a racist and doesn’t want to admit it to himself or others because of a pathological inability to admit fault. Trump is not like some working class schlub whose racism might be at least an understandable product of ignorance and resentment. There is even less reason for Trump to be a racist given his wealthy upbringing and education, so his racism is more likely the result of him being a twisted shit than anything else. Given his father’s involvement in the kkk, he may be very conflicted as to how much racism is part of his identity because he craved his father’s approval. Besides being a racist demagogue, he’s also one screwed up individual. then again, most demagogues are.

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    germy says:

    The A.P. is going with the “just a mixed up kid who forgot to take his meds” angle:

    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) — Records from 911 calls show the driver charged with killing a woman at a white nationalist rally was previously accused of beating his mother and threatening her with a knife.

    Authorities say 20-year-old James Fields drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters on Saturday in Charlottesville. At least two dozen were wounded in addition to the woman killed.

    The records the Florence Police Department in Kentucky show the man’s mother had called police in 2011. Records show Fields’ mother, Samantha Bloom, told police he stood behind her wielding a 12-inch knife. Bloom is disabled and uses a wheelchair.

    In another incident in 2010, Bloom said that Fields smacked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom after she told him to stop playing video games. Bloom told officers Fields was on medication to control his temper.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It was more or less aimed skyward, palms in the air, so only if you’re residing in the suspended ceiling. :-)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Hoodie:

    It’s fascinating to see how Trump still can’t bring himself to directly condemn nazis.

    Is that what we’re calling horrifying these days?

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    trollhattan says:

    @germy:

    The A.P. is going with the “just a mixed up kid who forgot to take his meds” angle:

    Maybe even burying the lede: It’s the video games, again!

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    “I am seriously considering a pardon for Sheriff Arpaio,” the president said Sunday,

    Arpaio said FU to a state judge. Lawyers will have to hash out how far a Trump pardon will go.

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    Yarrow says:

    @LAO: Of course it does. Ugh. Do they have some secret list of fascist barbers? I can’t imagine going into a normal barbershop and asking for “the fasci.”

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    TenguPhule says:

    But asked by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on Sunday if Trump was fighting “an enemy within”, Scaramucci said: “I think there are elements inside of Washington, also inclusive of the White House, that are not necessarily abetting the president’s interests or his agenda. I absolutely believe that, yes.”

    Not Normal. Not Normal. Not Normal.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @trollhattan:

    Trying to class-up the joint?

    One tries to do one’s little best.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s just a link to her blog home page. Was there something specific?

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    Suzanne says:

    @Sab:

    I went to a respectable middle-class college in the Midwest with guys like this. We need to purge them, because they are everywhere.

    I went to high school with people like this. The white supremacist students were all unattractive, bad-smelling, out of shape, poor students, drug users, and they went on to long stints on couches and basements and grew into total losers. They can change or they can fuck right on out of this country. Make America great again.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @jl: Yes & no. ADL has the skinny on the beginning of the “white power signs;” they started out as an ironic troll to see if “normies” would pick it up, then went “hahaha joke’s on you!”

    However almost immediately the hand signs were picked up by real white supremacists & used. So the joke became reality, arguably by design. So even though Trump’s been using the “okay” gesture long before the joke came along, it’s quite likely that Bannon/Miller/Gorka are familiar with the “hahhaha, where’s your sense of humor it’s a joke!” and the “hahaha joke’s on you normies!” dynamic. Probably encouraged him today.

    Link to a tweet stream that says this better than me

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    trollhattan says:

    Good news, if true.

    Steve Bannon’s enemies in the Trump administration are once again out for blood—and this time, they feel emboldened by newly installed White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who has called for an “end to the drama,” senior officials say.

    Kelly, in his various conversations with other White House aides, has heard from at least three White House officials that “Bannon is a problem,” according to one Bannon colleague.

    Some Trump officials have been quick to blame Bannon for ongoing tensions, which often stem from heated, vocal ideological disagreements between Bannon and his fellow Trump advisers. Those same officials are all-but-openly hoping that Kelly brings the axe down on Bannon in the coming weeks, if not sooner.

    “[Kelly] has made it clear to everyone he… wants an end to the drama,” one senior Trump administration official told The Daily Beast, describing Kelly’s desire for reining in Trump’s staff. Officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not cleared to discuss internal matters.

    Other officials are expecting, if not an outright sacking, an “effective demotion” of Bannon, as one senior White House official characterized it. Under such a scenario, the White House chief strategist’s portfolio would be reduced, though he’d remain inside the building. Multiple administration sources said that Kelly has been advised in the past week to have Bannon sever his working relationship with his own personal PR operation that functions outside the confines of the federal government.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    The top story (or at least it was the top story a few minutes ago). Trump Wineries, based in Charlottesville, VA.

    The merest coincidence, undoubtedly, but I thought it was one of those “Huh, that’s odd” things.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: Counterpoint:
    https://www.axios.com/anti-mcmaster-campaign-is-about-to-get-uglier-2472606148.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

    The bare-knuckle campaign to remove National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster from the White House is about to get much uglier.

    Outside forces opposed to McMaster are going to allege he has a drinking problem, according to sources outside the Trump administration familiar with the anti-McMaster campaign. The controversial nationalist Mike Cernovich, who has an inside track on the anti-McMaster campaign, teased the alcohol attack in an Internet video with Alex Jones of the website Infowars. Anti-McMaster forces believe this attack will harm his standing with the president, who is a teetotaler.

    To be clear: I have never heard anything to support the allegation from anyone inside the Trump administration or from anyone who’s socialized with McMaster. We are covering it to highlight the extremes to which McMaster’s opponents are prepared to take their war against the National Security Adviser.

    A White House official told me “McMaster has been made aware that the attack is likely coming, and prefers to focus on his work.”
    Another official told me the majority of senior staff “have rallied around McMaster and believe that all of the attacks against him are divorced from reality.”
    Chief of Staff John Kelly finds the attacks dishonorable and disgusting, according to a source close to Kelly. President Trump is also off-put by the campaign against McMaster — even though his relationship with his National Security Adviser has at times been strained.
    Why this matters: For the nationalists making them, these attacks could backfire. Most top White House officials find the attacks loathsome, and blame Steve Bannon for them. So instead of hurting McMaster, they may damage Bannon – who is already in a perilous position, as we reported yesterday.

    It’s unclear how long Bannon and McMaster, who are ideological foes, can both work in the same White House. The most startling clip from today’s Sunday shows was on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” when host Chuck Todd pressed McMaster on whether he and Bannon could keep working under the same roof. McMaster refused to say that he could, refused to say Bannon was advancing the president’s agenda, and refused even to say Bannon’s name out loud.

    Bannon has told associates he has nothing to do with the hits on McMaster, calling them a spontaneous reaction against the “globalist” from Trump’s nationalist base. But senior White House officials don’t believe him. Breitbart News, the media outlet Bannon led before joining the Trump campaign last August, has been leading the attacks on McMaster, though they’re hardly alone.
    Some White House officials were startled by the force of a recent statement by the conservative pro-Israel group, the Zionist Organization of America. On Wednesday, ZOA’s president Mort Klein issued a report accusing McMaster of being hostile towards Israel and unserious about the threats of Iran and radical Islamic terrorism. Klein called on the president to “reassign him to another position where he can do no further harm on these critical national security issues.”
    One of the GOP’s top donors, Vegas casino owner Sheldon Adelson, funds Klein’s group. I’ve asked an Adelson rep whether the billionaire donor signed off on ZOA’s call for Trump to fire McMaster. The Adelson rep hasn’t responded. Bannon is one of the few senior administration officials that the ZOA trusts on Israel.
    Former senior Israeli military officials have defended McMaster in the Jerusalem Post. They wrote: “Such an attack is not mere opinion; it is an offense against the truth, against basic decency and against the best interests of Israel as we see them.”

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    randy khan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    “Not particularly respectful” may be an understatement, although he did end it with “sir.”

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    Yarrow says:

    @trollhattan:

    Multiple administration sources said that Kelly has been advised in the past week to have Bannon sever his working relationship with his own personal PR operation that functions outside the confines of the federal government.

    I wonder how they’re going to enforce that? And will Trump actually go along with firing Bannon? I don’t think that would sit well with Trump’s boss.

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    JPL says:

    @trollhattan: It’s not just Bannon. As the mooch said, the Fish Stinks From the Head Down

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    TenguPhule says:

    Speaking of Nazis, WW II veteran has words about what the world looks like compared to last time.

    Summer should be comforting but it isn’t this year. Looking at the young today, when I watch them in their leisure; I catch a fearful resemblance with the faces of the young from my generation in the summer of 1939. When I am out in town, I listen to their laughter, I watch them enjoying a pint or wooing one another, and I am afraid for them.

    This August resembles too much that of 1939; the last summer of peace until 1945. Then aged 16 and still wet behind the ears, I’d go to pictures with my mates and we’d laugh at the newsreels of Hitler and other fascist monsters that lived beyond what we thought was our reach. Little did we know in that August 1939, life without peace, without carnage, without air raids, without the blitz, could be measured in days. I did not hear the thundering approach of war, but as an old man I hear it now for my grandchildren’s generation. I hope I am wrong. But I am petrified for them.

    Sweet dreams.

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    Aleta says:

    Cvjet is keeping his name and photo circulating, intentionally I think, by saying the least believable things. Credibility doesn’t matter, nor respect, just visibility. (Works for Trump.)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    Hoodie says:

    @TenguPhule: @TenguPhule: Of course it’s horrifying. Just observing what we may be dealing with in Trump, and why other psychiatric cases attach themselves to him. You need to understand the enemy to fight it. You have a bunch of psychologically stunted white males who can’t deal with the fact that the world is not handed to them on a silver platter. Thing is, it really never was for most of them, but now people like Trump give them an excuse and a target that, conveniently, is not privileged shits like Trump. The kid that ran over those poor people in Charlottesville is just a punk from Ohio, a tool of assholes like Richard Spencer (another rich kid) and Trump.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Are we sure this isn’t just more court gossip? The only hard and fast rule seems to be that all of them lie.

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    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio) says:

    @TenguPhule: Bull Connor. The Neshoba County Sheriff’s staff. James Bonard Fowler and a host of other Alabama law enforcement officers, as well as those in other southern states. Lester Maddox. Orville Faubus. George Wallace. James P. Coleman and Ross Barnett. The people who enabled Byron de la Beckwith and Dynamite Bob Chambliss and the cohorts by ensuring they did not receive fair trials. I could go on, but before the Civil Rights Acts of the Johnson Administration (and yes, fuck LBJ for Vietnam!) the states of the former Confederacy were, as far as African Americans and certain other disfavored groups were concerned, a collection of fascist regimes, where disenfranchisement and abuse were wrapped in the flag and clutching the cross, and federal intervention all to often came too late. Certain acts are listed as federal hate crimes today specifically because local authorities could not be relied upon to prosecute these to the full extent of the law.

    Yes, the uncertainty as to whether people can rely on the federal government for support is not good–but it’s not a new thing.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    “No, Virginia State Police weren’t outgunned by militiamen.”

    So they just stood by for shits and giggles then?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If you listen carefully there’s a statement, not question, follow up that isn’t particularly respectful.

    Ah – I have to quit just reading the headlines/highlighted quotes. Nice!
    But come on WH Press Corps, we can do better than that next time. Ask him if he has a hard time condemning the KKK due to his father’s affiliation with them.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Zionists are pivoting towards Bannon and against McMaster? We are truly living in Bizzaroworld.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: There is a concerted push to not just remove McMaster, but to ruin him as well. That they got ZOA into the act on the Israel stuff is telling.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    the next line of attack on McMaster is coming this week

    Bannon-allied forces are going to try and knock someone around with allegations of alcoholism…truly, the mind boggles…

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    trollhattan says:

    @JPL: Kinda wish Mooch were still in his job–he opened a lot of closets in his 72 hours or however long that lasted.

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    JPL says:

    From TPM

    PARIS (AP) — Police: 1 girl dead, at least 5 people injured after driver rams into patrons at pizza restaurant east of Paris.

    Trump is now in the White House demanding his phone so he can tweet about foreigners and terrorism.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio):

    Yes, the uncertainty as to whether people can rely on the federal government for support is not good–but it’s not a new thing.

    The Federal government is the last resort when it comes to enforcing Civil Rights. An entire generation has counted on it to be there when the States are complicit. This is unknown territory for a lot of younger people.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: His acquisition of that winery has its own ugly history. There’s an article here about recent events with the winery, including how Trump really still owns it despite pretending Eric does, and how his administration granted his winery a visa for immigrant labor, but my favorite part is this:

    It’s not insane to think the president is, if enough creditors come a-calling, damn near broke. Cash poor. Perhaps he literally can’t afford to let go of his real estate and brand collateral, and he needs the Trump Organization’s assets should his creditors come knocking at the White House gates.

    In other words, this [latest financial disclosure] form is pretty much useless. So naturally, I wondered who could take him to court.

    If you wanted to sue Trump over his vineyard/winery operations, you’d first need standing (a legit reason). It seems reasonable that a competing Charlottesville-area vineyard affected by Trump Vineyard’s advantages might be able to prove standing. And it turns out that Donald Trump isn’t the only celebrity running a vineyard in Charlottesville. In fact, he isn’t the only celebrity with a vineyard within a mile: just down the road is Blenheim Vineyards, run by Dave Matthews.

    And so, Dave Matthews, if you’re out there, I loved your first two-and-a-half records. Could you please do the world a favor and elevate Donald Trump’s hypocritical, deceitful, greedy, petty, tiny, covetous heart up to the light of justice by taking his lyin’ “Buy American, Hire American” ass to court?

    I wish he’d do it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: Someone made a decision to respond non confrontationally. This is going to become a major issue for the Charlottesville PD and the Virginia State Police.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: Adelson is a hard right, hard liner on Israel. He cares about two things: 1) his money/casinos and 2) his conception of Israel. He is a major funder of the Zionist Organization of America. ZOA has one interest: a hard line in support of Israel, specifically the Israel of Netanyahu farther to the right. Netanyahu has established connections with all the neo-nationalist movements in Europe, which also all tend to be neo-fascist. This is because Bibi is a neo-nationalist and a neo-fascist. Unfortunately everyone in his coalition is actually worse than he is. The connector from the European neo-nationalists back into the US is Bannon and Breitbart.

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    NotMax says:

    Surprised (somewhat) that someone in the maladministration hasn’t yet publicly floated the theory that N. Korea shot down the helicopter.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @LAO: Seriously? Gag me – I was just looking at the dude’s hair and wondering how you tell a barber to cut it so that you’d look like Hitler’s country-clubbing cousin.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Love that. I wish he would too.

    (Have also thought for a very long time that Trump is cash-poor.)

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    Calouste says:

    @trollhattan: Israel was pretty close buddies with the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: He’s completely illiquid. As is Jared.

    Bannon is mostly liquid. Most likely cheap gin.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @rikyrah: Yes!

    I want “she was right!” on one side of the t-shirt, and either “stayed nasty” or “nevertheless she persisted” on the other.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Bannon is mostly liquid. Most likely cheap gin.

    No man is an island.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yep. There’s video of the the Nazis actually pushing a police line back and the police backing up.

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    sharl says:

    Hmm, I wonder what Bannon’s long time financial backers – that secretive billionaire shitweasel Robert Mercer along with his daughter Rebekah – are up to these days? I don’t know that it was ever confirmed, but allegedly Bannon had to be talked out of quitting the White House several months ago by Rebekah. Bannon’s their primary inside boy as far as I can tell, and at the very least the Mercers want some sweet, sweet revisions to the tax code, because you can never have enough.

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    No Drought No More says:

    “White nationalists aren’t all hateful; we just want to preserve what we have.”
    American Birdbrain

    “Warner von Braun just wrote an autobiography entitled, “I Aim For The Stars. It’s subtitle is, “But Sometimes I Hit London”.
    Mort Sahl

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Someone made a decision to respond non confrontationally. This is going to become a major issue for the Charlottesville PD and the Virginia State Police.

    I expect the Justice Dept under Sessions will get right on it after they solve that pesky weed problem.

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    NotMax says:

    @No Drought No More

    Once they go up
    Who cares where they come down
    “That’s not my department”
    Says Werner von Braun

    – Tom Lehrer

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    Karen says:

    @tobie: these signs are new, I know what the old ones look like since some places still have the t & p signs up from last election. and who keeps signs up? those who voted and still support dolt45, this is Maine not someplace south

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    TenguPhule says:

    Oh are you fucking kidding me?!

    Via LGM: The WSJ is conflating Googlebro with the Nazi car killer in a “BOTH SIDES” editorial.

    I know FTFNYT, what do we have for the WSJ?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thanks, will do. Shocked that Jews of any stripe would associate themselves with Bannon and his ilk, but “serving the greater mission” often creates strange bedfellows. Still.

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    NotMax says:

    @TenguPhule

    Murdoch owns the WSJ.

    ’nuff said.

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    trollhattan says:

    @NotMax:
    Reminds me, I need to get around to finishing “Gravity’s Rainbow.”

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    JPL says:

    @sharl: The Mercers supported Cruz for pres, and will again if he decides to run. The asshole was not their first choice.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Yarrow: Help us Dave Matthews you’re our only hope!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @trollhattan: Every religion and culture and ethnicity has their own subset. They always gravitate to the same cluster of ideas, they’re always assholes that justify being an asshole based on their faith or ethnicity or combination, and no matter what you do you can’t get rid of them. They’ll fight with the irradiated, hyper evolved cockroaches and the sentient twinkles for domination after the nuclear apocalypse.

    The only good thing is their petty grievances and hatreds prevent them from teaming up across religions and ethnicities. If they ever actually realized they all wanted the same crap and teamed up regardless of what they call themselves we’d have a much bigger problem.

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    NotMax says:

    @trollhattan

    “It’s a novel and a doorstop.”

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    Yarrow says:

    @JPL: The Mercers have plenty of ties to Trump’s campaign via Jared and Cambridge Analytica. Link.

    Here’s where it really gets interesting. The Trump campaign, including Kushner (who also took part in the Trump Tower confab with the Russian lawyer) worked closely with a data firm — Cambridge Analytica — connected to Trump’s richest, most secretive and arguably most influential backer, hedge fund billionaire Robert Mercer, and his daughter Rebekah. That circle also includes another top Trump adviser, Steve Bannon, who was on the Cambridge Analytica board of directors, and Kellyanne Conway, who did consulting work for the Mercers before she connected with Trump.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    I for one welcome our sentient twinkle overlords.

    Cockroaches, not so much.

    ;)

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    TenguPhule says:

    If Congress doesn’t pass a budget bill by the end of September, the government will shut down.

    If Congress doesn’t pass an increase in the debt ceiling by the end of September, the United States will default on its debts, potentially triggering a global financial crisis.

    The Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which insures about 9 million children, needs to be reauthorized by the end of September.

    The National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) needs to be reauthorized by the end of September.

    None of them will get done, Katie.

    I totally missed the CHIP and NFIP authorizations in all the noise and confusion.

    So not looking forward to this perfect shitstorm on the horizon.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Putin has actually made a pretty good run at a right-wing-authoritarian international, bankrolling and trolling for fascist and xenophobic parties all over. I didn’t think it was that possible.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If they ever actually realized they all wanted the same crap and teamed up regardless of what they call themselves we’d have a much bigger problem.

    Pillage, Plunder, then Burn!

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @TenguPhule: That was a pretty daunting list, even for a competent administration. If THIS administration checks off even one of those boxes I’ll be surprised.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Matt McIrvin: I’ve written about it here many times. I briefed senior leaders on it in May 2016 as part of a larger briefing.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    It occurs to me that with these people in power, it’s absofuckinglutely imfuckingpossible not to be a conspiracy theorist. Trumpology 101 is a prerequisite for just basic functioning as an American.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    If THIS administration checks off even one of those boxes I’ll be surprised.

    This is why I’ve made plans to not be in the country for most of October.

    If it all goes completely pear shaped, I want to at least have a good time first.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It occurs to me that with these people in power, it’s absofuckinglutely imfuckingpossible not to be a conspiracy theorist.

    Its impossible to be a theorist when all of the conspiracies turn out to be true or worse then predicted.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Its impossible to be a theorist when all of the conspiracies turn out to be true or worse then predicted.

    An excellent point.

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    trollhattan says:

    Everybody gets a camera. You get a camera and you get a camera and you get a camera

    Avowed white supremacist Richard Spencer on Monday argued racist rally-goers who clashed with counter protesters in Charlottesville, VA this past weekend “could have killed them with our bare hands.”

    Spencer was speaking about Antifa, the anti-fascist political movement that arrived in Charlottesville after hundreds of white supremacists descended on the city to protest the removal of a prominent statue of Confederate commander Robert E. Lee.
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    The alt-right leader also told reporters city and state officials have “blood on their hands” after a post-rally gathering ended in the tragic death of 32-year old Heather Heyer. James Fields, a Nazi sympathizer, drove his car into a group of counter-protestors, killing Heyer and injuring 19 others. Spencer on Monday declined to condemn the 20-year old’s actions.

    “I am not going to condemn this young man at this point,” Spencer said, insisting “there is a great deal of ambiguity” regarding the events that transpired Saturday.

    “My cause has nothing to do with this car,” Spencer said.

    Punchable face says “Wha?”

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s not being a conspiracy theorist. It’s looking at known relationships, statements, social media posts, articles and so forth. It’s almost all out there. Half the time they even tell us themselves.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    The Murphy Brown clip. (Start at approx 6:30 if don’t want to watch the entire clip.)

    “No, they’re a militant offshoot of that.”

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    Yarrow says:

    Just saw this. Nice to see the media calling out the President for his lies.

    The president said we just had a press conference. We did not. That's fake news.— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) August 14, 2017

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    And in case anyone wonders, this is the guy:

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    JPL says:

    @Yarrow: Trump has no idea what it means to have a press conference . Trump has no idea…………….

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    sharl says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Someone made a decision to respond non confrontationally. This is going to become a major issue for the Charlottesville PD and the Virginia State Police.

    I’ve been perusing a Charlottesville news feed a city resident set up on his twitter, and judging from the police chief’s press conference (which may have just wrapped up), it doesn’t sound good, as in ‘mistakes were made’ and ‘unfortunate events were not foreseen.’

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: The whole thing is hysterical. And spot on.

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    randy khan says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    I would expect that the budget/CHIP/NFIP stuff will be rolled into a continuing resolution, but there’s still the question of whether Ryan and McConnell can wrangle the votes necessary to do even that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @sharl: decisions were taken, no one was spared…

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    K488 says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s right! The key is the key to my initials.

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    Jay C says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    According to what I’ve read (disclaimer: on the Internet today), Varnell’s whole plot – right up until he keyed in the cell no. that was supposed to trigger his “bomb” was a carefully set-up and managed sting by the FBI. Who hopefully, dotted their i’s, crossed their t’s and ran every aspect past senior management to avoid even the least taint of “entrapment”.

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    MoxieM says:

    @Cacti: Seriously, I guess he never bothered to study the fun that was had by all at the Eastern Front, before he got his hate on.

    Basket of deplorables: ignorant deplorables. Unforgivable.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Yogi Berra was right: “It’s déjà vu all over again.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @K488:

    Cool. I love that kind of DIY cryptography.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @gene108:

    Just based on the last name, isn’t he the sort of Slavic scum Hitler would’ve marched off to the camps as a matter of principle?

    “Cvjetanović” is a Croatian name. Ah, Croatia, home of the Ustaše fascists / collaborators. They seemed to regard themselves as a Germanic people who had merely picked up a Slavic language from proximity to those lowlife Serbs next door.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @sharl:

    it doesn’t sound good, as in ‘mistakes were made’ and ‘unfortunate events were not foreseen.’

    And the passive voice was used with extreme prejudice.

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    NotMax says:

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Bluebonics.

    Police speak is a dialect all its own.

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    Jeffro says:

    Again, I hope Trumpov disses a reporter again really soon…

    T: “I like real news…you’re fake news”

    R: “I can totally relate: I like it when the president isn’t a complete asshole”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    His name is Jerry Drake Varnell. He was born in 1994, and his target was a Federal Reserve Building in Oklahoma City.

    He was a year old when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The same age that little Baylee Almon was when Timothy McVeigh murdered her by bombing the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @NotMax:

    Bluebonics.

    That’s great! Yours?

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    K488 says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: There’s an additional code here – my eldest son and I share the same first name, and our nicknames in the family involve Major and minor. So he goes by K310.

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    Boussinesque says:

    @Gravenstone: Late responding, but I really like that one–I’ll have to keep it in my back pocket for the next time I come across someone wearing something similar.

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    NotMax says:

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Yes, just now.

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    NotoriousJRT says:

    @GregB: breitbart and alt right – Albreit

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    sheila in nc says:

    @TenguPhule: It’s not unheard of that programs continue to get funds appropriated even after the authorization expires. That happened at NIH for years.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @NotoriousJRT: Albreit Macht Frei

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    different-church-lady says:

    Like I said yesterday:

    I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.”

    Oh. So what kind of angry racist are you then?

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    M31 says:

    @K488: hahahahaha (another musician here)

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    Kathleen says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @K488: @M31: You all ought to hold a Staff Meeting.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @Boussinesque: Isn’t it fascinating that the same people who whinge about taxation if they’re paying any non-zero tax amount will turn around and whinge just as loudly about the “people who pay no taxes”? It’s as if they think the only “fair” tax is 1 cent per resident per year.

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    moops says:

    The “kid” is far less innocent than he would try to let on. he is wearing an “Identity Evropa” logo on his polo shirt. That is much more involved in white supremacist movement than the average gamergate douche.

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