Kids these days

I have incredible respect for those students. If I was 19 and standing there, I would have punched someone. The discipline and the courage to bear witness and hold onto their values without allowing themselves to respond to clear and constant provocations is incredible.

The kids are alright.

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    Gemina13 says:

    These kids are beautiful, and I want to protect them from the cesspit dwellers surrounding them.

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    Elie says:

    Their non violence in response is so STRONG. I send them all my love and note their honor to what is important. Wonderful!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    This is so important. I saw “The Singing Revolution” again a few weeks ago. It’s about the nonviolent protests that led to Estonia’s leaving the Soviet Union and precipitating its breakup. People HAD to be nonviolent because anything else would have given Mikhail Gorbachev a reason to crack down. Hardliners were leaning on him to. It seemed to me that we need to be learning nonviolent protest again. It’s not easy. The nonviolent civil rights protesters of the 1960s did a lot of training.

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    efgoldman says:

    It’s probably not a coincidence that the racist shitbag assholes chose to hold their demonstration when school was not in session and ~22,000 students weren’t on campus.

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    Phred says:

    These kids are beautiful and will grow to be greater than all of us are.

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    lamh36 says:

    Saw this last night…good for those kids…

    The media really needs to make sure to point out that it didn’t start this morning, but started last night when Richard Spencer et al, had their stupid Tiki march…

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    Phred says:

    @Gemina13: I hear you and understand you.

    I’m only happy to know that these kids are beautiful and brave and will grow to be greater than all of us are.

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    NotMax says:

    Solidarność.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Nothing say American values like torch parades.

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    Phred says:

    @lamh36: From what I’ve read, last night the police allowed the Tiki Nazis a free hand to attack those at the Thomas Jefferson statue. Why???

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    debbie says:

    I’m sorry. Everything about those alt-right clowns is hateful and despicable, but marching around with tiki torches makes them look like pussies.

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    Are their faces down so they don’t get identified and targeted later?

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    JPL says:

    Thank you for taking time off of your vacation to post that picture. The kids are all right.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    People HAD to be nonviolent because anything else would have given Mikhail Gorbachev a reason to crack down. Hardliners were leaning on him to. It seemed to me that we need to be learning nonviolent protest again. It’s not easy.

    Civil rights protesters were protesting against official, often militaristic authority. The alt right fools don’t represent anyone but themselves. Mockery, instead of violence is about all they deserve. And obviously non violence is good lest things spiral out of control and hurt innocents.

    ETA. We are coming up on the anniversary of the August 14 partition of India and Pakistan. And of course non-violent resistance was part of the strategy to win independence. Various BBC programs, from the News Hour to the Women’s Hour to various history programs and podcasts have wonderful segments, often with interviews of people who lived through those times or their descendants. Very fascinating stuff.

    I hope that people will be able to look back and see that something good emerged from these crazy times.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That would be sensible.

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    Mary G says:

    Those six or seven students are braver than all the torchbearers plus Trump.

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    Jeffro says:

    Probably no colncidence that those late-teen students came of age during the years 2008-2016, back when there was a role model the whole country could look up to.

    Sort of the opposite of Reagan Babies, if you think about it.

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    debbie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I wonder what statue that is they’re standing around.

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    debbie says:

    @Mary G:

    There’s many more of them, encircling some statue.

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    PhoenixRising says:

    Where do I click to help sponsor a weekend for John Lewis, Diane Nash and the other survivors of the Nashville sit-in movement to connect with this generation’s best and brightest?

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    Thank you, you beautiful kids. I am in tears, and feel such hope on this terrible day.

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    Chris says:

    @Phred:

    And yet “thank God for our brave heroic cops” is all over the airwaves. Gag.

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    InternetDragons says:

    Speaking of respect…I can’t imagine what it was like for this Black officer protecting the Nazis today:

    https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/896519731267727361

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    @Omnes Omnibus: agree. And upsetting as hell.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I was thinking they hid their faces so Mom and Dad wouldn’t see them and worry.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @NotMax: Obviously I misspoke, they are pinning for the 1650s.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Yes and to prevent them from being sprayed in the eyes with bear (pepper) spray or mace by the protestors.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: Thomas Jefferson. It is on the U Virginia quad.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Let’s just melt the statue of Robert E. Lee and make Urinal Cakes out of it.

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    Jeffro says:

    @PhoenixRising: I don’t know, but Sara Benincasa had a good list up on Twitter of Charlottesville-area charities, churches, and other organizations that help support the community in time of need. You can check that out.

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    tobie says:

    @Major Major Major Major: According to a Guardian article referenced in the twitter thread, the white nationalists were surrounding counter-protesters and pepper spraying them or throwing lighter fluid in their direction. I don’t think the students are hiding. It’s more likely they’re protecting their faces from noxious fumes.

    EDIT: oops…I see Adam mentioned this in #28.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s more likely than my idea.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Further proof that our side is smarter.

    A lot of those Nazis are going to be recognized and identified via social media, and that will follow them around. There is already one twitter feed making the rounds where the tweets are along the lines of “That’s the jerk from our history class!” “He lived in my dorm!”

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    lgerard says:

    @debbie:

    Jefferson

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks. They really were very brave.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @InternetDragons:

    That picture is not from today. It is from a Klan rally on July 8, according to the comments.

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    Peale says:

    @debbie: make your own torches or stay home.

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    lamh36 says:

    @ABC 11m11 minutes ago
    More
    JUST IN: FBI opens civil rights investigation into circumstances of “deadly vehicular incident” in Charlottesville. http://abcn.ws/2vPqvAo

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: It would be better if they opened a domestic security file (domestic terrorism investigation) in the circumstances. But that they’re taking action is a good sign.

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    scav says:

    @Brachiator: Some photos I just ran across for your India anniversary sidenote.

    It helps somewhat to be reminded that the entire nation isn’t ok with this. Enough of them seem placid enough to be tacit enablers to put me in a space beyond words.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @lamh36: Old reply but I wanted to thank you for flagging that excellent letter from Martin Booman …Longman? I don’t know. Glad I read it.

    Will this latest tragedy help the Ryan Coopers notice that we’re still not a post-racial society? Who knows.

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    Kay says:

    Hope springs eternal at the NYTimes. Maybe Ivanka will ride in and magically turn her father into a completely different and much better person! Any day now ! Could happen!

    Maggie Haberman‏Verified account @maggieNYT 23m23 minutes ago
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    Shabbat has been over for a few hours. Ivanka Trump, who sometimes weighs in on Twitter on major incidents, silent re the neo-Nazi rally.

    Next up: General Kelly Will Save Us All, Part IV.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    @ABC
    JUST IN: AG Sessions says federal investigation opened into Charlottesville incident: “Justice will prevail.” http://abcn.ws/2vxhclH

    Somehow I just don’t believe Sessions truly cares if “justice prevails”

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    sharl says:

    I never thought I would link to a tweet from da share z0ne over here – dsz’s feed is more for the young irony/weird twitter crowd – but if you liked the short video clip of Hitler’s building-top swastika gettin’ blowed up real good in Cole’s earlier post, you might like this as well.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    In case anyone was wondering why the white polos and khakis:

    Also, here’s our lovely domestic terrorist earlier today prior to committing murder:

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    trollhattan says:

    Meet our new police chief and remember that most of the country isn’t insane. We’re suffering from a nasty minority having their day in the limelight.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: He doesn’t. But the career folks at the FBI, especially the Field Office for that portion of Virginia, the natsec department, and the career natsec prosecutors at the DOJ, as well as the career folks at the US Attorney’s Office for that portion of Virginia do.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Pro-Tip: If you haul your pathetic, underachieving, lily white gamer ass from Ohio to Virginia to march around with assholes who wear swastikas, carry clubs and torches, and shout “White Power” and “Blood and Soil”, you can take that weak shit about “ah wuz skeered when them protestors wuz around muh car” on out of here.

    You’re no wide eyed innocent. You were there to do bad things in the name of your “superior”(LOL) race.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    But that they’re taking action is a good sign.

    Also given who the AG is, a large surprise.

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    @Adam L Silverman: if you had told me, before last year, that in 2017 the country would be beset by violent Nazis cosplaying as Donald Trump golfing…

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    Yutsano says:

    *waves from a hotel room south of Seattle*

    Non-violent resistance is indeed hard. Kudos to those kids.

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    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon says:

    Thank you for everything today Balloon Juice 🎈Don’t know what I’d do without this community.

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    It didn’t occur to me that it would be the FBI, but it would have to be, wouldn’t it? Was Comey replaced? It strikes me that Sessions would be too distanced from the level where the investigation happens to sweep it under the rug.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If that wannabe Heydrich makes any Pretrial release, he’d better tat up in AB colors here and now.

    Of course, he’ll be somebody’s bitch for a few years, even in the AB, but at least he can maybe avoid being randomly shanked by people outside the AB.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Do you know what the crossed rolling pins are supposed to stand for? Maybe I should not ask, but I do think that shedding light on these domestic terrorist groups is important.

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    Mike J says:

    Hey beantown, next week the circus will be in your town:
    https://twitter.com/petexnasty/status/896517264131842048

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: @efgoldman: I want to make another point on this right now that I’ll expand on in a post (eventually). Despite the President’s tepid and thoroughly unacceptable responses today (twitter, press availability, more twitter), having several of these happen in short order is as much a threat to the President, his presidency, AG Sessions, and AG Sessions agenda for DOJ action. Chaos may suit Putin’s ambitions. And, perhaps, Bannon’s. But several of these, showing that the administration cannot just ensure the safety of Americans to protest or counterprotest, but that the President cannot actually separate himself from the white nationalists and white supremacists, regardless of which group they come from, perpetrating acts of domestic terrorism will become fatal to his Presidency. This isn’t 1916-1917 when Wilson could hire a propagandist to convince the vast majority of Americans to accept an authoritarian usurpation of the Constitution because the US was going to and then in a war. This is 2017. You can’t stop the signal. And no matter what the President or Bannon may think, they can’t control the message. You can’t promise law and order while having David Duke at events where his fellow travelers are marching while “Hailing Trump” and then killing other Americans for the lulz.

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    Mike J says:

    @Lyrebird: If I had to guess (and nobody is making me, but I will anyway) kinder, küche, kirche.

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    This event certainly seems to have pissed off another set of previously unmotivated citizens. Hoo boy, is my internet hopping with fury.

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    Kay says:

    In a statement, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that “the violence and deaths in Charlottesville strike at the heart of American law and justice. When such actions arise from racial bigotry and hatred, they betray our core values and cannot be tolerated.”

    Yeah, you’re real credible on civil rights. The man who stood there next to Donald Trump like some grinning idiot elf during all those hate rallies.

    Oh, well. There’s always the county prosecutor. Maybe he or she isn’t completely discredited.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: White tennis shirt should be paired with white tennis shorts. And only at the club. //WASP

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: As I’ve repeatedly remarked: off the looking glass and through the map.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yes Chris Wray was confirmed as the new Director of the FBI about ten days or so ago.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    it may be old hat to mention that yes, sunlight is a disinfectant.

    Won’t eradicate the infestation on its own, it goes without saying, but far preferable to letting malevolence operate in the shadows.

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    @Adam L Silverman: I guess it’s as good a time as any to play video games.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Lyrebird: The dipshit had his shield upside down. They’re crossed fasces. Not sure which group the symbol is specifically associated with. The black saltires on a white field are the new League of the South flags though.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: And not after Labor Day!

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    dmsilev says:

    @Major Major Major Major: There are worse ways to spend time, that’s for sure.

    I’m not too big on the ‘blow stuff up or shoot things’ genre, but I’ll happily sink bunches of hours into building-type games.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Lyrebird:

    Do you know what the crossed rolling pins are supposed to stand for? Maybe I should not ask, but I do think that shedding light on these domestic terrorist groups is important.

    @Mike J:

    If I had to guess (and nobody is making me, but I will anyway) kinder, küche, kirche.

    Not a rolling pin. The guy on the left is holding his shield or whatever it is upside-down. The guy next to him has it right-side-up, and the symbol is a stylized fasces (bundle of sticks surrounding an axe).

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    Kay says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That is just wild that they dress like Trump. I was thinking about the Michigan Militia during Clinton and how they were so far underground. It was pre-internet so there weren’t all these photos but they weren’t MARCHING wearing the campaign swag of GOP candidates. It was like “oh, it’s those crazy unemployed men with the poorly-printed newsletters”. Of course later they became infamous but there was just no sense that they felt they were part of a mainstream political party even before the violence. They weren’t like “George HW Bush supporters, but in camo with explosives” They were the fringeist of the fringe. The only reason I knew about them was liberals talked about them.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Mike J:

    kinder, küche, kirche

    Hey it’s a guess.

    If I had any access to Rachel Maddow’s staffers, I would want them to bring back the tapes of the then-candidate now UGH president in St Louis. Maddow rightfully highlighted his encouragement of violence towards protesters, but didn’t make much of what I found maybe even more chilling. Creep In Chief said things like, those people, they don’t contribute anything… I saw that and thought, okay Godwin’s Law and all but F&U!K that’s about as Hitlerian as anything I’ve heard a living person say on record other than david duke…

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    @dmsilev: Yeah, I just bought Factorio.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @Phred: I’ve only seen Joy Reid pressing this issue. Everyone else is acting like the police were heroes. Just like some pretended the police didn’t cheer when Trump told them to beat up suspects.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Yes, but it isn’t just the disinfectant component alone. You can’t be an authoritarian if you can’t actually project authority and enforce it. If Boston goes down the way Charlottesville did, minus the open carriers as that isn’t allowed in MA, it will make things much, much harder for the President, the AG, their supporters and their enablers. I guarantee that Boston PD’s and the MA State Police’s counterterrorism and intel units will be spending the next several days going over every bit of social media and news footage of today’s events. By the time next Saturday’s rally starts they’ll have IDs on a large number of these people.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Have fun! I just more-or-less finished a long play-through of that, deciding to try my hand at building a really big production operation.

    If you’ve just started, there’s a note at the beginning saying that the goal is to build and launch a rocket; doing that will end up taking several hundred thousand resources of various types, which can take a while for a normal-sized production chain to craft into a rocket. A common goal for a big factory is to hit one rocket per minute. I hit about 0.6 RPM, and am well satisfied.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    having several of these happen in short order is as much a threat to the President, his presidency, AG Sessions, and AG Sessions agenda for DOJ action.

    I’m sure your right in the medium to long term political atmosphere. In the short term, though, I’m afraid more people are going to get hurt or killed. There’s a certain overlap in the Venn diagram of ammosexuals and right wing assholes. There were lots of visible weapons today in Charlottsville. One of these times, someone is going to feel threatened enough, or amped enough, or drunk enough, actually to start shooting. Then all kinds of shit hits the fan.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: Ahhh Mike “From Michigan” Koernke. The janitor from the physical sciences building at University of Michigan.

    From news reports there were a lot of MAGA hats, as well as t-shirts and signs that mashed up NAZI sayings with support for the President. Say what you will about the fact that they’ve been able to ignore the dog whistle stuff for decades, but this type of stuff is not going to play well with the country club and nice, suburban Republicans. It’s one thing to ignore dog whistles, it’s quite another to have your nose rubbed into the fact that these folks are now the Republican President’s most ardent supporters.

    In aikido, and other Japanese martial arts, we often refer to the Zen concept of training as first polishing a mirror and then holding it up to one’s attacker/opponent. This holds a mirror up for the portion of the GOP that considers itself mainstream, respectable, and not racist or bigoted. They are going to be very discomfited by what they see in that mirror.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Adam L Silverman: Thanks for the explanations!

    Sunlight sunlight sunlight. And I wouldn’t trust the current AG to protect anything other than his own hide, but Virginia? Plenty of problems there, like most states, but it’s called home by so many military folks as well as CIA HQ. I think Macmullin just praised Terry Mac (RawStory link) and admitted that the GOP’s been avoiding condemning racism…

    Water is wet, I know, but the more conservative Utahns and Virginians and whoevers condeming the Nazis, the better in my book.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You may not know exactly which group they’re associated with, but the name “fasces” tells us what the general philosophy is.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hooray for the “Deep State”.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Without a doubt. I’ve consistently written here that things are going to get bad in the short term. That people that don’t deserve to be hurt will be. I have not change my assessment.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Can’t quite put my finger on it…//

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    @dmsilev: Yeah, this is obviously going to take some time…

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    lamh36 says:

    there is a picture floating around twitter that is alleged to be the victim in the Charlotteville attack.

    So far I haven’t seen it confirmed by any media sources

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Kay: I hear the pivot’s a-comin’!

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This holds a mirror up for the portion of the GOP that considers itself mainstream, respectable, and not racist or bigoted. They are going to be very discomfited by what they see in that mirror.

    I would very much like this to be true. It would validate the way I see human beings. But I have seen so much unthinking support of Trump, no matter what, that I am waiting to see how this all plays out.

    BTW, Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions has issued a stronger statement than the President did.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I dunno, Adam. what I got from my RWNJ dad earlier today was some dumb ‘both sides’ crap plus ‘BLM is sending reinforcements’…my air quote “libertarian” brother was remarkably silent all day…

    They are nowhere close to taking ownership of what they have supported up to this point.

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    The Other Bob says:

    Something I have been thinking about lately…

    If your church has a Europianized depiction of Jesus on its walls, your church is part of the white supremacist problem.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Cruz issued a stonger statement. Of course he’s done this because he’s smarter than Trump. Which is admittedly a low bar.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Jeff Sessions statement on opening an investigation into today’s violence in Charlottesville

    Who wrote that and what did they do with Evil Leprechaun, tie him up in the basement?

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    burnspbesq says:

    @lamh36:

    Sessions wants justice to prevail–his idea of justice, which bears no resemblance to yours or mine.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: It isn’t a given, but their moment of truth and self discovery is coming. They will have to decide to stand up as Americans or be recognized for who they are on the basis of their implicit and/or explicit support of what is happening.

    Also, it’s a Zen concept filtered through centuries of Japanese martial traditions. It’s not supposed to actually make sense, just sound impressive.//

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    dmsilev says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    BTW, Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions has issued a stronger statement than the President did.

    That’s a pretty low bar to clear.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jeffro: Next time you’re at your dad’s, when he’s out of the room, set the parental controls to block Fox News on his cable system. When he asks about him tell him the provider dropped it because of a dispute over concession fees. After a couple of months he should start to return to normal.

    And I wish I was kidding here.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Lyrebird: Some people on twitter say they’re fasces. Shouldn’t that look more like a bundle of rods than a rolling pin?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: It wasn’t his spokeswoman. She’s morally ugly down to the DNA.

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    gene108 says:

    @Phred:

    From what I’ve read, last night the police allowed the Tiki Nazis a free hand to attack those at the Thomas Jefferson statue. Why???

    It is the right, proper, and traditional order of things in America for white people, who declare whites are superior, to be able to beat the shit out of people who disagree under the cover of law.

    White supremacists only felt the pain after the 1960’s, when the Feds started cracking down on them. And it took the Feds decades, well into the 1980’s and early 1990’s, to take the ability of white supremacists to act with impunity away.

    There’s a dark underbelly to this country that was put in the corner and realized if they stepped out things would go badly for them, until Trump came along.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Adam L Silverman: When you are talking about real Blood and Soil Nazis, there’s not a lot of safe space or ambiguity. You have to take a stand. I wonder when the Poltroon in Chief will come to this realization. Also, I’m not confident he will.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Ken Schwencke‏ @ schwanksta 3h3 hours ago
    This is the White House’s only response to my asking three times if the President condemns white supremacists
    Hi Ken- On background, the President condemns all acts of violence

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    lamh36 says:

    I want more of this to happen…time for folks with loud platforms who can certainly afford to more than some poor line worker or broke student, to speak up!

    @rebilasphoto
    #Raiders running back Marshawn Lynch sits during the national anthem prior to #NFL game against Cardinals. @usatodaysports @azcentral
    https://twitter.com/rebilasphoto/status/896574923241537538

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    dmsilev says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ‘on background’? So, their position is ‘We condemn violence, but don’t quote me on that’?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Matt McIrvin: They’re stylized outlined fasces. If you look at the shield to the left of the alleged murderer you can clearly see that’s what they are.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Lyrebird:

    Water is wet, I know, but the more conservative Utahns and Virginians and whoevers condeming the Nazis, the better in my book.

    You know who gets zero credit, though? Nigel Farage. That man just had the gall to cluck about the sadness of Nazi salutes in America. You don’t want them, how about not helping to bring them here?

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I had missed the one that was right side up, with the axe blade.

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Just keep whistling in the dark! I mean, come on. Every day is stuff like this:

    Sam Clovis, Donald Trump’s pick to be chief scientist for the Department of Agriculture, pushed unfounded theories about then-President Barack Obama’s upbringing and called then-Attorney General Eric Holder a “racist black,” a CNN KFile review of Clovis’s writings and radio broadcasts during 2012 and 2013 has found.
    Clovis was a conservative radio host and political activist in Iowa before gaining national attention as one of the more vocal supporters of Trump during the presidential campaign. His nomination to head science at the USDA requires Senate confirmation

    He embraces these people. He finds them and hires them. It doesn’t matter what the job is- he’ll just slot them in anywhere. We’re lucky Clovis isn’t the attorney general. Was probably on the short list.

    Ivanka Trump could be the nicest, smartest person in the world and she was never going to save this presidency. This is what Donald Trump is. He doesn’t hide it. He’s never hidden it. If Obama had been an absolute disaster as a human being no one would say “well, his mother in law lives in the White House and she seems nice so she’ll probably change him into a completely different person”. It’s just wacky.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AnotherBruce: They already have. Not making a clear distinction is sending a clear message. Certainly the folks at the Daily Stormer received a clear message:

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    sharl says:

    @lamh36: Hmm, maybe an NFL team will rethink matters regarding Colin Kaepernick and sign hi…
    Bwahahaha, I crack myself up sometimes.

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    Mike J says:

    @dmsilev:

    I’m not too big on the ‘blow stuff up or shoot things’ genre, but I’ll happily sink bunches of hours into building-type games.

    Waiting impatiently for Stardew Valley multiplayer. We can start a balloon-juice commune.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Matt McIrvin: No worries. It’s been a rough week for everyone. But the next time we’ll have to put a formal reprimand in your file.//

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Kay: Clovis is part of AG Sessions circle. He also, from reporting, had a hand in connecting Carter Page with the campaign via Sessions.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I may have to repeat Murderous Idiot Iconography 101.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Mikhail Gorbachev will always be the real hero who peacefully ended the cold war to me. For the USSR, his reforms were too little too late. Maybe 20 years earlier. And it is incredible that non-violence worked back then. I think it’s safe to say that without the backing of the feds, things could have turned even uglier then they were.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Matt McIrvin: We have an online, remedial course. You can do it in a weekend.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Kay: What gets me is that anyone could have watched Trump’s campaign rallies as depicted on TV and known that his election would egg the Nazis and Grand Imperial Kleagles into running riot, but everyone in the Republican Party is acting like this is some kind of surprise.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Right…

    I get that with family sometimes it easier to not confront, but I just can’t accept that. I’m sure the issues that need to be spoken about is different if you’re white than for my predominantly Black family. Overt racism, antisemitic rhetoric, etc, is just not something I have to deal with at family gathering or when I visit my mom or my old uncle.

    I’m a firm believer that people will be who they will be, but I’ll be darned if I won’t speak up and speak out to friends and esp family about such things. Even if I wouldn’t change one thing with that speaking up, to do nothing, just to “keep the peace” within the family…no…nope. I am perfectly willing to never be in the presence of family members who refuse to change, and I have no trouble letting my family member know why.

    It’s about time for folks to stop just saying “well what can you do…”

    @cmclymer
    1/ Sooo… I’m gonna be blunt about this. I was born and raised in the South, my family is from the South, and we need to get real. (thread)

    4/ I’m serious. Good on you for not displaying a Confederate flag. I’m glad you didn’t vote for Trump. Congratulations on the bare minimum.

    5/ But our neighbors and our friends and our family who do these things without pushback from us will continue to do them.

    6/ Those racist assholes with torchlights marching on UVA’s campus are your nextdoor neighbors, friends, and relatives.

    8/ How many times have you heard your racist uncle rant at the Thanksgiving table about “illegals stealing our jobs”? Be honest.

    9// How many times has your father or mother or boss or coworker talked in racist code around you and you didn’t call them out? Be honest.

    https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/896583295856726016

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    👩🏽‍🔬 Martin says:

    Virtually all millennials I interact with (several thousand – large sample) are like this. Gives me great confidence for the future.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @sharl:

    Did he leave the 49ers or did they cut him? Does the organization deserve a little extra blame for CK being unemployed? Anyone have any thoughts?

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    lamh36 says:

    Speaking to family…matters…s

    @gkfahnbulleh
    He told his mom he was a NAZI she said, be a peaceful NAZI. @kushkandy95 @Kennymack1971 @cmclymer @sfhater @jsavite .@VanJones68
    https://twitter.com/gkfahnbulleh/status/896586054941016064

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Any recent updates on the police helicopter crash?

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    but everyone in the Republican Party is acting like this is some kind of surprise.

    I believe the relevant word here is “acting.”

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @👩🏽‍🔬 Martin:

    Young people of several races in that brave circle. I’m glad to see it.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Ohio Mom: What will follow them around? If they’re not arrested and prosecuted for violence what difference does that make?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @lamh36:
    It’s a rare condition, this day and age
    To read any good news on the newspaper page

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @👩🏽‍🔬 Martin: There’s a lot of little elementary-school, middle and high-school age white kids who are learning racist bullying from Trump. Another reason to smack this down hard.

    On the other hand, they are part of a cohort even more diverse than the millennials, so they’re going to get pushback.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lamh36: No arguments here. A test is coming for many white people. We will see where they line up once and for all.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    It will make them unemployable social pariahs

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Phred: I have to assume they chose this location because they knew the local cops would be sympathetic.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

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    ruemara says:

    @Matt McIrvin: It’s as fake as their cries of Fake News. You’re watching people who just hate looking at themselves in a mirror.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Fuck Russia, we have to hang this around his neck. Repeat after me, Trump supports Nazi’s, Trump supports Nazis.

    Also too, we should hang Russia around his neck. He clearly hates the United States.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: How do you know that? There are loads of White Supremacists/alt-right folks who are gainfully employed. All of the hundreds who turned up to riot in Charlottesville are unemployable?

    I think you underestimate how pervasive the support for racism is in the US. This is how we ended up with Trump.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AnotherBruce:

    Fuck Russia

    . Aren’t we supposed to wait till the 3rd date? I mean I know my social life is a mess, but that seems to have been the rule of thumb that last time I was dating.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    “Shun the Nazi! SHUN HIM!”
    It does work on some people.

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    sharl says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Earlier this year Colin Kaepernick opted out of the second year of his contract with the 49ers to become a free agent, so that was his choice.

    I’m not normally a sports guy (to put it mildly), but lamh36’s comment reminded me that lately I’ve been hearing a lot of chatter regarding Kaepernick’s inability to land a contract with a team, and a lot of reporters and pundits/analysts who follow the NFL are rather suspicious of NFL claims that it isn’t related to his now notorious pre-game protest.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Some will reveal themselves to be active racist assholes. Some will reveal themselves to be passive racists who won’t denounce white racism when they see it and will continue to blindly or knowingly accept unearned “white privilege”.

    Others will denounce and (perhaps blindly) benefit from privilege.

    Still others will denounce and strive for a “fair trade” approach to things.

    Some fools, such as Omarosa and Katrina Pierson, will ignore shit in the pursuit of power and money and fame. A hell of a lot fewer of them, but it reveals that assholes come in all colors, creeds, and sexes.

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    GregB says:

    I hit the fever swamps in Twitter. This is all a cock-up from George Soros doncha know?

    Plus the driver was really a Bernie guy and a Trump hater too.

    Plus melon headed fascist and full potato sack impersonator Alex Jones is all over this false flag story too.

    Who could have predicted the world would spin out of control with a rage tweeter with a God complex and a shithouse societal engineer with conjoined liver running the fucking show?

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Excellent point. There are racist doctors, cops, professors, house painters, etc. Having a job is no inoculation from idiocy.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Kay: I don’t know about the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s for the City of Charlottesville, but our state Attorney General – Mark Herring – is a great public servant. And isn’t afraid to speak clearly about what happened:

    Mark Herring‏ Verified account @MarkHerringVA

    The violence, chaos, and apparent loss of life in Charlottesville is not the fault of “many sides.” It is racists and white supremacists.

    1:30 PM – 12 Aug 2017

    If there’s a reason for the state to get involved, Herring will jump in with both feet to prosecute these monsters.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    After what happened today, I am open to second amendment solutions if peaceful ones don’t pan out

    /s

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @sharl:

    I think the Rams would do well to sign him. Their QB is young and not very impressive. L.A. has a significant black population and a sordid history of racism; maybe such a hire would be another small step towards cohesion?

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    sharl says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while), @sharl:

    Here’s a recent show I half-listened to that discussed the Kaepernick situation. There are further links at that post, and also a lot of commenters with the usual sports fan disagreements regarding NFL team owner motivations and competencies, Kaepernick’s merits as a player, the meaning of patriotism vs. standing for the Pledge, etc.

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    sharl says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Not being a sports person, I’m in no position to offer an informed opinion. But presuming he is NFL-worthy, this would be an opportune moment for someone to pick him up on at least a short-term contract, with (temporarily) reduced criticism, which is always a consideration for corporate suits, even absent legitimate concerns about our national tradition of racism.

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    Another Scott says:

    @The Other Bob: That’s probably too broad a brush.

    Zeinab Badawi of the BBC had a fascinating series on Africa last week or so. In one episode she was talking with some prelate or bishop or something of some ancient Christian church in Ethiopia. She was asking what he thought about some of the pictures of Jesus showing him as white while some of the newer pictures showed him having African hair and dark skin – how did the locals relate to that? He said he didn’t see a problem with it, but he himself always felt that Jesus was a Jew so he believed that he should be portrayed as “white”.

    Religion as we see it today is very complex and probably can’t be explained by looking just at what some English or French or German guys did a few hundred years ago.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @sharl:

    I concur.

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    Brachiator says:

    @scav:

    Some photos I just ran across for your India anniversary sidenote.

    Very late reply. Thanks very much.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Another Scott:

    In one episode she was talking with some prelate or bishop or something of some ancient Christian church in Ethiopia. She was asking what he thought about some of the pictures of Jesus showing him as white while some of the newer pictures showed him having African hair and dark skin – how did the locals relate to that?

    Was the interview and response in English?

    I thought that some of the early artistic depictions of the Black Jesus came out of the ancient Ethiopian church tradition, so I find this statement about Jesus to be a bit puzzling.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I saw “The Singing Revolution” again a few weeks ago. It’s about the nonviolent protests that led to Estonia’s leaving the Soviet Union and precipitating its breakup

    There is the theory that non-violent traditional choral music was how the Baltic states convinced Gorbachev that allowing them autonomy was better than a violent re-assertion of Russian power… and there is another theory (which is mine), which is that it was all achieved by Vana Tallinn, and Russians drinking it, and thinking “People who drink this stuff must be hardcore and really not worth fighting with.”

    Also (in the case of Latvia) Riga Black Balsam.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @sm*t cl*de:

    and there is another theory (which is mine)

    Heh.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @sm*t cl*de: Or the herbal stuff my Kazakh colleagues gave me. Can’t recall the name, kept the bottle. But it’s in a higher cabinet I’m too lazy to access.

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    Cheryl Rofer says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: There were a number of factors. Mikhail Gorbachev’s decency and humanity was the biggest. But we can’t forget George H. W. Bush’s (and his team’s) capable handling of things from this side, particularly now when our president is screaming insults at a third-rate dictator.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    He embraces these people. He finds them and hires them. It

    And they him. Trump’s their useful idiot.

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    GHayduke says:

    @debbie: Jefferson

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    Jim says:

    Amen.

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