Establishment media demanded that Clinton resign for lying about getting a blowjob from an intern.
Establishment media demanded that Obama denounce and renounce Bill Ayers.
Will establishment media demand that Trump condemn white nationalism?
I know the answer is “no”.
Omnes Omnibus
Sublime title, Doug!
JPL
Trump is being challenged by his side
Once they rid us of health care and get their tax cuts, Trump will be gone.
Of course, by then Putin will be in charge.
Best regards!
lamh36
Even Captain America called out Trump’s bullshit statement!
sharl
efgoldman
@JPL: No way to know how sincere they are (and I’m cynical enough to think they’re faking it) but almost every statement today by a RWNJ is clear and unambiguous in condemning the Nazi assholes.
The one clear exception is “the president”
lamh36
Baud
@efgoldman: I hope the deplorable behavior of “the president” emboldens Mueller to be even more aggressive.
JPL
@lamh36: I miss him so much.
lamh36
Pic tweeted by Obama as apart of his statment is one of my fav from Souza!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4a4df75371f5caf3205c6344cb8d02e014362beabe824532f84d2a83350e3e2.jpg
rikyrah
uh huh
uh huh
you speak the truth.
Kay
They lowered the standard after promising they wouldn’t lower the standard when he was elected. Remember that? He was going to get better because of the mighty force of societal disapproval and “institutions” and “high expectations”. He would “rise to the job”.
None of that happened. He gets worse every day. He’s nastier, more mean-spirited and he lies more than the day he took office and he was pretty damn bad before. Now it’s rock bottom and they’re fine with it.
Baud
@Kay:
I wish!
lamh36
A Ghost to Most
So, how is everyone feeling about the ability of our democratic institutions to contain and defeat this fascist threat?
rikyrah
There’s Nothing ‘Fringe’ About These White People
Damon Young
Today 4:41pm
The comforts in considering the white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., to be fringe are obvious. For white people, speaking of them and their views as if they’re unique and anomalous allows them (the “good” white people) to distinguish themselves from these racists, while also minimizing their ubiquity and influence. If they’re fringe—if they only exist in the crevices and butt cracks of the country—the good white people can continue to believe they’ve done enough, and they can eat their quiche with peace of mind.
And, for those of us (and “us” could be Black people, Latinos, Muslims, Jews, homosexuals and anyone else the nationalists believe are oppressing them and wish to rid America of) who still believe in the fantasy of the fringe alt-right, the comfort exists in convincing ourselves that there just aren’t that many of them. Because if they’re not fringe, if they’re actually everywhere, then … fuck.
Unfortunately, “then … fuck” is the reality. The men and women who marched last night, chanting and hashtagging #unitetheright, and the men and women in Charlottesville today, are not fringe. They are not unique. Perhaps they exist in the crevices and butt cracks, but they’re in the coffeeshops and boardrooms too. They are your neighbors. Our neighbors. My neighbors. They’re schoolteachers and Little League baseball coaches; bartenders and accountants; architects and marketing directors; registered nurses and police officers. They wait on your tables, they answer the phones when you call tech support, they fly your planes when you travel to Phoenix, they deliver your UPS packages and leave notes when you’re not there and they perform surgeries on your broken limbs. And for the white people who believe they’ve done enough, who believe their hands are washed, they’re at your kitchen tables and happy hours and bbqs and weddings. They’re in your families. They’re on your couches. They’re on your T-Mobile family plans. They’re in your beds.
Baud
@A Ghost to Most: We will prevail.
lamh36
efgoldman
@A Ghost to Most:
The people that run the institutions – DoJ, FBI, state and local police – must WANT to do it, and force their forces to confront it if they have to. Right now?
Kay
I think my favorite is “Kelly will save us”. Just one more way to NOT hold Donald Trump accountable for Donald Trump’s behavior. If the President needs a babysitter then he’s not fit to be President.
NobodySpecial
@lamh36: 4 to 3 some racist hick ends up on the jury and hangs it.
dmsilev
@JPL: Remember that memorial service for (yet another) set of victims of a white supremacist? You know, where he segued smoothly from giving a speech into singing Amazing Grace and then the organist picked it up and started playing along? A beautiful moment after an awful tragedy.
Man, I miss him.
Edit: Here it is
Omnes Omnibus
@NobodySpecial: It should never get to a jury.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
Just to amplify, this white woman speaks for me right now. Screw any of my fellow white people who still want to pretend that this surge of white supremacy has nothing to do with them and that they have no responsibility to help stamp it out.
rikyrah
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
Eli Weisel
dr. bloor
@JPL: Orrin Hatch, Typical Republican: It’s only an outrage when I have skin in the game.
JPL
@dmsilev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN05jVNBs64
JPL
@Kay: Yesterday both Tillerson and Haley looked shocked at the president’s statement about Venezuela, but they still report to him. I mentioned to a friend that it’s time for those who are disgusted or fearful need to walk. My caveat was Mattis.
dmsilev
@JPL: Yep, that’s it. I managed to sneak the link into my comment before the edit time slot closed.
Comparing Obama to what we have now. Sigh. I just hope that if there’s a memorial service for the victims, as there should be, that the families tell Trump to stay the fuck away. Publicly.
lamh36
Hmmm…it’s interesting that the same social media platforms that many of these nationalist use to spread their hate, is also what is used to drag them out of the dark web and into the light…with photographic evidence usually!
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: got a little teary looking at that. Course, I’ve been feeling a little teary all day.
Mike J
@Omnes Omnibus:
Had the driver of the car been black, he wouldn’t have made it to the city jail.
Emma
@dmsilev: I know we all say it from time to time, but it’s times like these when it really, really means something. Godalmighty, I miss our President!
raven
Why does this dude on MSNBC keep calling the murder “an accident”.
rikyrah
Those Va. Police Really Fucked The Dog in Charlottesville, Eh?
Panama Jackson
Today 1:15pm
If you’re like me, you’ve been glued to the television for much of this
morning watching the events unfold in Charlottesville, Va., as white
nationalists descended into the city for a “Unite the Right” rally in
protest of an earlier city council decision to remove a statue of
Confederate general Robert E. Lee.
If you’re like me, you’ve watched protestors on both sides engage in
fights, pepper spray on one another, throw shit, break shit, punch each other, erupt into a melee and basically engage in any manner of what can best be called societal anarchy.
If you’re like me, you’ve ALSO noticed just how ABSENT the fucking police have been during the entire shit. As a black man, you almost never hear me ask the following question, but: where the fuck were the police? I’ve been watching for HOURS and in the vast majority of footage broadcast nationwide you ain’t seen nan’ police officer breaking up shit, de-escalating shit or arresting people. It’s all been reminiscent of what happens after some big state school loses a game in any college town where white people burn shit to the ground and some random dude goes to jail for jay-walking.
http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/those-virginia-state-police-really-fucked-the-dog-in-ch-1797781413
NickM
I’m actually seeing people who NEVER comment on politics on FB call Trump out on his “many sides” apologia for Nazis. That seems like an interesting development should it be more widespread.
rikyrah
Richard W. Painter @RWPUSA
The Alt Right is a terrorist movement. Steve Bannon and Breitbart gave it a platform which is now in the White House. They must go now!
4:10 PM – 12 Aug 2017
HinTN
I just CANNOT. Busy making sloppy joes from scratch. (No, I didn’t raise the corn to fatten the beef.) I just CANNOT engage. This country is in jeopardy. I can only cook to maintain my sanity.
lamh36
Police in Charlottesville criticized for slow response to violent demonstrations
dr. bloor
@JPL:
Their presumed intentions are noble, but at some point trying to Make the Toddler Behave is at best a grandiose intention, and more likely to be enabling.
However, if they really believe he can’t be wrangled, they are morally obliged not to resign but to trigger the 25th Amendment options.
HRA
@dmsilev:
Thank you! Yes, I remember it. U miss him, too.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
Not sure it much matters, but is it a guest or one of the MSNBC anchors? Either way, fuckem.
efgoldman
@raven:
1) Because he’s an ignorant asshole.
2) Because his producer/director/script writer is an ignorant asshole
3) Because it involved an automobile and people on foot, so in news speak it’s an “accident”
Omnes Omnibus
Tear the fascists down.
Frankensteinbeck
@A Ghost to Most:
Pretty well, actually. Nothing happened today I didn’t already consider part of our situation, except that the GOP were more willing to disavow white supremacy than I expected. I’m not sure how much difference that makes, but our disgusting situation is still holding on, and is not changed by another act of terrorism and a political rally of assholes. If anything, their brazenness seems to be hardening liberal determination.
lamh36
@lamh36: hmmm the white supremacist guy is saying the pic w/Trump is photoshopped?
Hmmm…I guess we should believe him.
raven
@efgoldman: Thomas Roberts ain’t all that ignorant.
sharl
@lamh36: Not that it is very important under these circumstances, but the racist scumbag photoshopped that (or someone did it on his behalf). What is apparently the original can be seen here.
Having noted that, the fact that racist nazi Matt clearly associates with Trump in a positive way is further made very clear here.
lamh36
less the media forget…this began last night!
jl
We have practice in calling people for the health care fiasco. Need to contact Congresspeople and media and make polite inquires about any silence on what is happening, and objections to tip-toe-ing, euphemisms, excuses, evasions, and false balance.
Trump owns this crap now, by his words and deeds, and particularly by the hate mongers and loons he’s put in his administration. He has to do a lot of work to disown it. I don’t think he can. Bigotry and swindling is just baked too deeply into his psyche and his bones to do that. And, the hard core bigots and authoritarians among us are about the only reliable political base he has left. But that is an excuse, and who cares? He needs to do it anyway, and people need to call it what it is if Trump won’t even try.
TriassicSands
Der Fuehrer has condemned the violence, hatred, and bigotry “on many sides.” He even repeated “on many sides.”
He says we need to study Charlottesville to see what we’re doing wrong as a country that allows such violence to happen.
???WTF??? The first thing we’re doing wrong is electing a white supremacist as president. That should be obvious, except to the always clueless Trump.
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus: Nazi punks fuck off (1:03).
Short, and to the point. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Thepatriotherald
Of course not since MSM spend endless hours interviewing these same racists, calling them the “working class” Trump voter.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
lamh36
@sharl: I saw that…I’ll still let my initial statement stand though…it’s interesting that the same social media platforms that many of these nationalist use to spread their hate, is also what is used to drag them out of the dark web and into the light…
jl
@Thepatriotherald: My cynical theory is that this a great audience for advertisers. They’ll buy anything that makes them feel good for the moment.
dexwood
@TriassicSands:
Fuck Trump and his many sides. Standing against Nazis and other assholes of their kind is always the right side.
JPL
@dmsilev: The same page has several other speeches or interviews. I took a trip down memory lane, and now I have these huge drops running down my cheeks.
Shalimar
@NobodySpecial: If he doesn’t plea bargain to time served for “failure to stop” with all the other charges dropped.
efgoldman
@Shalimar:
If the state doesn’t do the job fully and correctly, he can also be prosecuted on federal civil rights charges.
Of course, that assumes, probably incorrectly, that the current DoJ wants to pursue the case.
TriassicSands
@dexwood:
Of course, but the point is that Trump can never just single out his supporters as being the problem.
And what exactly are the “many sides.” Let’s see we have the white supremacists, the white KKK, the white neo-Nazis, the white nationalists, and the white Trump supporters. That sure is a lot of “sides.” And without anything in common. What a diverse group.
Jeffro
@HinTN:
I think the technical term for that is “pre-scratch” and it only counts for minimal bragging rights.
I have a recipe for Hawaiian sloppy joes that I might just have to break out this coming week – thanks for the ‘nudge’ and keep on cooking! (I cook to de-stress, too)
Omnes Omnibus
@Another Scott: Not a lot of nuance there.
lamh36
Jennifer Rubin!!
jl
@TriassicSands: ‘ He even repeated “on many sides.” ‘
Hate the say it, but Trump is code talking, it’s a nod and a wink. He’s actually doing what they wrongly accused Obama of doing.
Not surprising. Two things that Trujmp really is deep down: an all purpose ignorant bigot, and a con man. But hard to come out and accuse president. But here we are. At some point, to excuse or ignore is to be complicit.
randy khan
Mark Warner:
Linky
Tim Kaine:
Linky
Kaine really pounded it in, didn’t he?
MomSense
@lamh36:
One of my favorites, too. I may have to go spend a little time on Souza’a IG feed just soaking in the goodness.
Another Scott
Doktor Zoom tells us that even Mike Huckabee had a stronger statement than Donnie did.
It’s all so curious, how few see things the way Donnie does. It’s almost like his brain is damaged or something.
(sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
mouse tolliver
Just a couple of days ago Chuck Todd scolded Tom Perez because Dems haven’t been more welcoming to the guy in the pickup truck with the Confederate flag bumper sticker. They would never put that kind of pressure on Republicans. “What about the woman in the pussy hat who supports Planned Parenthood? What about the black guy who wants police reform?” are questions that would never be asked of a Republican.
Democrats need to recognize this. And they need to push back harder when the media throws this kind of bullshit in their faces.
dmsilev
The NYT just now (no link):
‘Genially bombastic’? Apparently now threatening to unleash nuclear hellfire on the world is at the same level as a boxer trash-talking his opponent before a bout.
Miss Bianca
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: we could hav e had this woman for our President. Oh, wait – but her emails.
efgoldman
@jl:
Every douchebag asshole knuckle dragging, mouth breathing flying monkey that voted for fuckface, and every ignorant ballsack that voted third party or didn’t vote for president, is more than complicit. They are fully responsible.
Fuckem
mike in dc
25 years out from becoming a majority-minority country, and the white supremacist bs is already this bad. It’s going to take an active effort at every level–media, grassroots, government and law enforcement at every level from local to state to federal–over the next couple decades to rein these fuckers in.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Law-talkers: can you explain the second-degree charge?
sharl
@lamh36: Yep, what happened in Charlottesville last night suggested the possibility for today’s awful event. And I hope local officials are being severely questioned about what appears (to me) to be insufficient response to last night.
A black Charlottesville resident tweeted out updates from a special church service held last night, that was in close proximity to the nazi Tiki torch rally. I’m assuming it’s the same church service you referenced.
By the way, that same guy created a list of what he considers good twitter sources of Charlottesville news, for anyone interested.
dmsilev
@jl:
Josh Marshall just now:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: Wow
What the fucking fuck? I’m thinking of his remarks on N Korea and Venezuela, all the reputation of “you know what that means/I think you know what I mean”– there was nothing “genial” about his casual calls for hot, even nuclear, war
Mike J
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He didn’t arrive planning on murdering people, but decided to on the spur of the moment.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@raven:
Might be referring to the reports that the attacker pushed another car into the crowd.
Iowa Old Lady
An American president is unable to bring himself to condemn Nazis.
I keep waiting for auto-correct to fix that sentence.
jl
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Media cowardice. I could see even the likes of Niki Haley in a news clip not even being able to hide for a second her “OMFG the nutbag is saying this shit!!??’ face when he went raving on about Venezuela.
Every second thing Trump has said about foreign policy the last few days shows that he is completely unfit for office. ‘Genial’ my fat damned ass. NYT deserves some letters in response to that garbage.
randy khan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Intentional but not premeditated – he had reason to think he’d kill someone, but he didn’t plan it ahead of time.
JPL
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/896540174162817024
jl
@dmsilev: The hard core racists, bigots, xenophobes, fascists, authoritarians, and intolerant (and to be quaint about it, heretical) Xtian fundies who buy into this poison are Trump’s base. He knows it.
Edit: the one and probably only thing Trump understands is marketing to easily duped messed up people. So Trump knows very well, sadly, what he is doing.
Another Scott
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here’s the way the story starts:
I assume the “genial” was in his general interactions with the few reporters he was willing to talk to at his golf club in New Jersey. It’s a horrible sentence construction, though, if that’s what the writers meant, and should have been caught by a competent editor. The mixed-up order of the sentences invites confusion.
Just a guess.
Cheers,
Scott.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@lamh36: Wow. That’s pretty rough stuff.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Hmm this one feels like it’s turning a corner against the Alt Right, at lest I hope so.
Typical Donald unless Trump, the racists are proTrump so to Trump they are good and the protestors are the evil ones. God damn that overgrown nine year old is an utter waste of space on this planet. As Josh at Talking Points Memo pointed out even Mike Huckabee gets what happened is wrong.
jl
@Another Scott:They fired most of their copy editors, right? Hell with them. Still sounds pretty weak.
bupalos
My understanding would be that at that point you only go with what is indisputable to hold him. I don’t think it has anything to do with what he’s ultimately charged with.
But I’d also say it possibly will be hard to convict above 2nd degree given the atmosphere, unless there are postings or something showing he was planning to kill people there will be an awful lot of opportunity to claim a heat of the moment thing.
tobie
Pence’s statement was just as weak-kneed and vague a condemnation as Trump’s. He’s just as bad. He should not get away with this since he may well replace Trump if/when the Mueller investigation heats up.
bupalos
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’m happy that the usual suspects may be tilting a little further in the right direction than one might expect, but there’s kind of a risk here. A spectacular and unequivocal event like this allows people that in every other way are systemic racism supporters to point to “real racism” (eg. the incredibly rare murderous personal insane kind.) At the same time that it’s heartening to know they draw a line somewhere, they use that same far off line to defend the innocence of the things that eg. deny minorities healthcare and education and concentrate minority poverty. Things that ultimately have much more profound and far reaching implications for us all, things that are responsible for many more deaths and wasted lives, that go under the radar because they don’t have a swastikas stamped all over them.
Ksmiami
@mike in dc: or we could destroy them… I mean I’m to the point where I don’t want to share the country with a bunch of angry stupid revanchists
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Is Jennifer Rubin on a road to John-Cole-ascus conversion?
Catatonia
@lamh36:
Strange days: I’m following her on twitter. Six months ago I couldn’t stand her. But her skewering of swastika don is can’t miss stuff.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@bupalos: They bloody well better draw the line; this isn’t happening in some slum but in their precious gentrified, middle class cities. I can not imagine anyone looking at those pictures of those militia twats waving automatic weapons and not cringe at the though of it happening their town.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: Basically.*
*Not licensed in VA.
Schmendrick
@Mnemosyne:
As an old white man she speaks for me, too. I made a pest of myself over the deathcare bill with my Senator — I guess I need to start making some more calls. So far deafening silence on radical Christian terrorism from Senator Heller
randy khan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s unbelievable.
Jeffro
@randy khan: Kaine did and good for him. There is no downside, none whatsoever, to piling on the president* and his white supremacist staff & support base. McAuliffe’s statements were just incredible as well.
Miss Bianca
@Catatonia: well, Jennifer Rubin is smart enough to know what’s likey to happen when the right wing winks at white supremacists.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I do love it – Ed Gillespie thought he was going to put on his “moderate” mask and sneak in a win. Uh uh. Especially with the VA GOP as split as it is already? Decide, Ed. Stand by some actual principles and lose the Nazi vote, or go down in shame & flames trying to mealy-mouth it all like your president*
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro:
From my distant perch in Wisconsin, it appears that he has been doing a great job as governor. Pardoning people so they can vote. Being at the airport to deal with the Muslim ban shit. And so on.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Jesus on a pogo stick; idiotic racist,whites living in their own version of reality wandering around in mobs insulting and harassing people, the Walter Mitty crowd out in force playing soldier, vehicles running down people, this is is a real life version of the damn on line role playing game I GM for. These twats worked up the guts to finally do it for real. I finally reached my ending of the Planet of the Apes movie moment…
(and before you ask, no I do not allow racism in the game, just the players are just grrr)
Brachiator
@Kay:
He’s Trump. Once he hits rock bottom he pulls out a drill and goes digging for new bottom.
The Republicans thought that they could contain or restrain Trump. Some foolishly still think he can be manipulated. And each day, Trump gets closer to triggering some tragedy from which the nation might not recover.
Every day, Republicans should be asked, when are you going to remove Trump from office.
…
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus: Terry Mac has been the only thing that has kept Virginia from turning into East Brownbackistan. He’s done very, very well with a weak hand.
It’s essential that we keep the Governor’s Executive Mansion this November, and we need to do all we can to cut the Teabaggers House of Delegates majority (the state Senate election isn’t until 2019).
Cheers,
Scott.
Jeffro
@Kay: @Brachiator: You’re both exactly right: he has gotten worse at every turn, from joke candidate to contender to finalist to nominee to party standard-bearer to PEOTUS to POTUS. It’s important to point this out to anyone still even slightly in support of this dangerous man-child: he has devolved every step of the way. What will you be supporting six months from now?
Boatboy_srq
@efgoldman: Hate to say it, but that’s the one reason Lord Dampnut is in the WH and they’re not.