Evil, scandalous and evil, most definitely

Establishment media demanded that Clinton resign for lying about getting a blowjob from an intern.

Establishment media demanded that Obama denounce and renounce Bill Ayers.

Will establishment media demand that Trump condemn white nationalism?

I know the answer is “no”.

106 replies
  1. 1
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Sublime title, Doug!

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    JPL says:

    Trump is being challenged by his side

    Senator Hatch
    Their tiki torches may be fueled by citronella but their ideas are fueled by hate, & have no place in civil society.
    We should call evil by its name. My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home. –

    Once they rid us of health care and get their tax cuts, Trump will be gone.
    Of course, by then Putin will be in charge.

    Best regards!

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    lamh36 says:

    Even Captain America called out Trump’s bullshit statement!

    @ChrisEvans
    MANY SIDES?!? Ive typed and deleted at least 8 tweets. Words simply arent strong enough to accurately describe how I feel about Donald Trump
    https://twitter.com/ChrisEvans/status/896468144608481280

  4. 4
    sharl says:

    FireAndFuryPopehat‏ @Popehat

    FWIW “best regards” is generally how I close lawyer letters telling someone I’m going to rip out their liver and take their house.

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    efgoldman says:

    @JPL: No way to know how sincere they are (and I’m cynical enough to think they’re faking it) but almost every statement today by a RWNJ is clear and unambiguous in condemning the Nazi assholes.
    The one clear exception is “the president”

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    lamh36 says:

    @BarackObama 14m14 minutes ago
    More
    “No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”

    “People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love…”

    …For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.” – Nelson Mandela

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    Baud says:

    @efgoldman: I hope the deplorable behavior of “the president” emboldens Mueller to be even more aggressive.

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    JPL says:

    @lamh36: I miss him so much.

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    lamh36 says:

    Pic tweeted by Obama as apart of his statment is one of my fav from Souza!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4a4df75371f5caf3205c6344cb8d02e014362beabe824532f84d2a83350e3e2.jpg

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    rikyrah says:

    uh huh
    uh huh

    you speak the truth.

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    Kay says:

    They lowered the standard after promising they wouldn’t lower the standard when he was elected. Remember that? He was going to get better because of the mighty force of societal disapproval and “institutions” and “high expectations”. He would “rise to the job”.

    None of that happened. He gets worse every day. He’s nastier, more mean-spirited and he lies more than the day he took office and he was pretty damn bad before. Now it’s rock bottom and they’re fine with it.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Now it’s rock bottom

    I wish!

  13. 13
    lamh36 says:

    There’s Nothing ‘Fringe’ About These White People

    http://verysmartbrothas.theroo.....as_twitter via @verysmartbros

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    So, how is everyone feeling about the ability of our democratic institutions to contain and defeat this fascist threat?

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    rikyrah says:

    There’s Nothing ‘Fringe’ About These White People
    Damon Young
    Today 4:41pm

    The comforts in considering the white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., to be fringe are obvious. For white people, speaking of them and their views as if they’re unique and anomalous allows them (the “good” white people) to distinguish themselves from these racists, while also minimizing their ubiquity and influence. If they’re fringe—if they only exist in the crevices and butt cracks of the country—the good white people can continue to believe they’ve done enough, and they can eat their quiche with peace of mind.

    And, for those of us (and “us” could be Black people, Latinos, Muslims, Jews, homosexuals and anyone else the nationalists believe are oppressing them and wish to rid America of) who still believe in the fantasy of the fringe alt-right, the comfort exists in convincing ourselves that there just aren’t that many of them. Because if they’re not fringe, if they’re actually everywhere, then … fuck.

    Unfortunately, “then … fuck” is the reality. The men and women who marched last night, chanting and hashtagging #unitetheright, and the men and women in Charlottesville today, are not fringe. They are not unique. Perhaps they exist in the crevices and butt cracks, but they’re in the coffeeshops and boardrooms too. They are your neighbors. Our neighbors. My neighbors. They’re schoolteachers and Little League baseball coaches; bartenders and accountants; architects and marketing directors; registered nurses and police officers. They wait on your tables, they answer the phones when you call tech support, they fly your planes when you travel to Phoenix, they deliver your UPS packages and leave notes when you’re not there and they perform surgeries on your broken limbs. And for the white people who believe they’ve done enough, who believe their hands are washed, they’re at your kitchen tables and happy hours and bbqs and weddings. They’re in your families. They’re on your couches. They’re on your T-Mobile family plans. They’re in your beds.

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    Baud says:

    @A Ghost to Most: We will prevail.

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    lamh36 says:

    @jonswaine 2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Charlottesville jail supt says James A. Fields, 20, of OH, is charged w / murder, 3 x malicious wounding, failing to stop at deadly accident

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    efgoldman says:

    @A Ghost to Most:

    how is everyone feeling about the ability of our democratic institutions to contain and defeat this fascist threat?

    The people that run the institutions – DoJ, FBI, state and local police – must WANT to do it, and force their forces to confront it if they have to. Right now?

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    Kay says:

    I think my favorite is “Kelly will save us”. Just one more way to NOT hold Donald Trump accountable for Donald Trump’s behavior. If the President needs a babysitter then he’s not fit to be President.

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    NobodySpecial says:

    @lamh36: 4 to 3 some racist hick ends up on the jury and hangs it.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JPL: Remember that memorial service for (yet another) set of victims of a white supremacist? You know, where he segued smoothly from giving a speech into singing Amazing Grace and then the organist picked it up and started playing along? A beautiful moment after an awful tragedy.

    Man, I miss him.

    Edit: Here it is

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NobodySpecial: It should never get to a jury.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @rikyrah:

    Just to amplify, this white woman speaks for me right now. Screw any of my fellow white people who still want to pretend that this surge of white supremacy has nothing to do with them and that they have no responsibility to help stamp it out.

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    rikyrah says:

    “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

    Eli Weisel

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    dr. bloor says:

    @JPL: Orrin Hatch, Typical Republican: It’s only an outrage when I have skin in the game.

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    JPL says:

    @Kay: Yesterday both Tillerson and Haley looked shocked at the president’s statement about Venezuela, but they still report to him. I mentioned to a friend that it’s time for those who are disgusted or fearful need to walk. My caveat was Mattis.

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    dmsilev says:

    @JPL: Yep, that’s it. I managed to sneak the link into my comment before the edit time slot closed.

    Comparing Obama to what we have now. Sigh. I just hope that if there’s a memorial service for the victims, as there should be, that the families tell Trump to stay the fuck away. Publicly.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hmmm…it’s interesting that the same social media platforms that many of these nationalist use to spread their hate, is also what is used to drag them out of the dark web and into the light…with photographic evidence usually!

    @rafsanchez 3h3 hours ago
    More
    Here’s a photo of @Millennial_Matt with Trump and carrying a burning torch in Charlottesville. This isn’t complicated.

    https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/896486850973642752

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @lamh36: got a little teary looking at that. Course, I’ve been feeling a little teary all day.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It should never get to a jury.

    Had the driver of the car been black, he wouldn’t have made it to the city jail.

  32. 32
    Emma says:

    @dmsilev: I know we all say it from time to time, but it’s times like these when it really, really means something. Godalmighty, I miss our President!

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    raven says:

    Why does this dude on MSNBC keep calling the murder “an accident”.

  34. 34
    rikyrah says:

    Those Va. Police Really Fucked The Dog in Charlottesville, Eh?

    Panama Jackson
    Today 1:15pm

    If you’re like me, you’ve been glued to the television for much of this
    morning watching the events unfold in Charlottesville, Va., as white
    nationalists descended into the city for a “Unite the Right” rally in
    protest of an earlier city council decision to remove a statue of
    Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

    If you’re like me, you’ve watched protestors on both sides engage in
    fights, pepper spray on one another, throw shit, break shit, punch each other, erupt into a melee and basically engage in any manner of what can best be called societal anarchy.

    If you’re like me, you’ve ALSO noticed just how ABSENT the fucking police have been during the entire shit. As a black man, you almost never hear me ask the following question, but: where the fuck were the police? I’ve been watching for HOURS and in the vast majority of footage broadcast nationwide you ain’t seen nan’ police officer breaking up shit, de-escalating shit or arresting people. It’s all been reminiscent of what happens after some big state school loses a game in any college town where white people burn shit to the ground and some random dude goes to jail for jay-walking.

    http://verysmartbrothas.theroo.....1797781413

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    NickM says:

    I’m actually seeing people who NEVER comment on politics on FB call Trump out on his “many sides” apologia for Nazis. That seems like an interesting development should it be more widespread.

  36. 36
    rikyrah says:

    Richard W. Painter‏ @RWPUSA

    The Alt Right is a terrorist movement. Steve Bannon and Breitbart gave it a platform which is now in the White House. They must go now!
    4:10 PM – 12 Aug 2017

  37. 37
    HinTN says:

    I just CANNOT. Busy making sloppy joes from scratch. (No, I didn’t raise the corn to fatten the beef.) I just CANNOT engage. This country is in jeopardy. I can only cook to maintain my sanity.

  38. 38
    lamh36 says:

    @JamilSmith
    I was curious why every public official kept thanking the police for their response to the Charlottesville violence.

    https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/896531641723568128

    Police in Charlottesville criticized for slow response to violent demonstrations

  39. 39
    dr. bloor says:

    @JPL:

    Their presumed intentions are noble, but at some point trying to Make the Toddler Behave is at best a grandiose intention, and more likely to be enabling.

    However, if they really believe he can’t be wrangled, they are morally obliged not to resign but to trigger the 25th Amendment options.

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    HRA says:

    @dmsilev:

    Thank you! Yes, I remember it. U miss him, too.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven:

    Not sure it much matters, but is it a guest or one of the MSNBC anchors? Either way, fuckem.

  42. 42
    efgoldman says:

    @raven:

    Why does this dude on MSNBC keep calling the murder “an accident”.

    1) Because he’s an ignorant asshole.
    2) Because his producer/director/script writer is an ignorant asshole
    3) Because it involved an automobile and people on foot, so in news speak it’s an “accident”

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    @A Ghost to Most:
    Pretty well, actually. Nothing happened today I didn’t already consider part of our situation, except that the GOP were more willing to disavow white supremacy than I expected. I’m not sure how much difference that makes, but our disgusting situation is still holding on, and is not changed by another act of terrorism and a political rally of assholes. If anything, their brazenness seems to be hardening liberal determination.

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: hmmm the white supremacist guy is saying the pic w/Trump is photoshopped?

    Hmmm…I guess we should believe him.

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    raven says:

    @efgoldman: Thomas Roberts ain’t all that ignorant.

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    sharl says:

    @lamh36: Not that it is very important under these circumstances, but the racist scumbag photoshopped that (or someone did it on his behalf). What is apparently the original can be seen here.

    Having noted that, the fact that racist nazi Matt clearly associates with Trump in a positive way is further made very clear here.

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    lamh36 says:

    less the media forget…this began last night!

    @autumnatdusk 10h10 hours ago
    More
    I dont see many non-blacks posting about the fact that Unite the Right circled a Black church for a minute with torches last night. Thanks.

  49. 49
    jl says:

    We have practice in calling people for the health care fiasco. Need to contact Congresspeople and media and make polite inquires about any silence on what is happening, and objections to tip-toe-ing, euphemisms, excuses, evasions, and false balance.

    Trump owns this crap now, by his words and deeds, and particularly by the hate mongers and loons he’s put in his administration. He has to do a lot of work to disown it. I don’t think he can. Bigotry and swindling is just baked too deeply into his psyche and his bones to do that. And, the hard core bigots and authoritarians among us are about the only reliable political base he has left. But that is an excuse, and who cares? He needs to do it anyway, and people need to call it what it is if Trump won’t even try.

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    TriassicSands says:

    Der Fuehrer has condemned the violence, hatred, and bigotry “on many sides.” He even repeated “on many sides.”

    He says we need to study Charlottesville to see what we’re doing wrong as a country that allows such violence to happen.

    ???WTF??? The first thing we’re doing wrong is electing a white supremacist as president. That should be obvious, except to the always clueless Trump.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Nazi punks fuck off (1:03).

    Short, and to the point. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  52. 52
    Thepatriotherald says:

    Of course not since MSM spend endless hours interviewing these same racists, calling them the “working class” Trump voter.

  53. 53
    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Hillary Clinton ✔ @HillaryClinton

    My heart is in Charlottesville today, and with everyone made to feel unsafe in their country.

    Hillary Clinton ✔ @HillaryClinton

    But the incitement of hatred that got us here is as real and condemnable as the white supremacists in our streets.

    Hillary Clinton ✔ @HillaryClinton

    Every minute we allow this to persist through tacit encouragement or inaction is a disgrace, & corrosive to our values.

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    lamh36 says:

    @sharl: I saw that…I’ll still let my initial statement stand though…it’s interesting that the same social media platforms that many of these nationalist use to spread their hate, is also what is used to drag them out of the dark web and into the light…

    @cjcmichel
    Casey Michel Retweeted Bailey M. Gamberg
    Thread of people realizing that one of their classmates was a white nationalist participant in #Charlottesville:
    https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/896516390911344641

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    jl says:

    @Thepatriotherald: My cynical theory is that this a great audience for advertisers. They’ll buy anything that makes them feel good for the moment.

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    dexwood says:

    @TriassicSands:
    Fuck Trump and his many sides. Standing against Nazis and other assholes of their kind is always the right side.

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    JPL says:

    @dmsilev: The same page has several other speeches or interviews. I took a trip down memory lane, and now I have these huge drops running down my cheeks.

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    Shalimar says:

    @NobodySpecial: If he doesn’t plea bargain to time served for “failure to stop” with all the other charges dropped.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Shalimar:

    If he doesn’t plea bargain to time served for “failure to stop” with all the other charges dropped.

    If the state doesn’t do the job fully and correctly, he can also be prosecuted on federal civil rights charges.
    Of course, that assumes, probably incorrectly, that the current DoJ wants to pursue the case.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @dexwood:

    Of course, but the point is that Trump can never just single out his supporters as being the problem.

    And what exactly are the “many sides.” Let’s see we have the white supremacists, the white KKK, the white neo-Nazis, the white nationalists, and the white Trump supporters. That sure is a lot of “sides.” And without anything in common. What a diverse group.

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    Jeffro says:

    @HinTN:

    Busy making sloppy joes from scratch. (No, I didn’t raise the corn to fatten the beef.)

    I think the technical term for that is “pre-scratch” and it only counts for minimal bragging rights.

    I have a recipe for Hawaiian sloppy joes that I might just have to break out this coming week – thanks for the ‘nudge’ and keep on cooking! (I cook to de-stress, too)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Another Scott: Not a lot of nuance there.

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    lamh36 says:

    Jennifer Rubin!!

    @JRubinBlogger
    I repeat: Those who said HRC would be worse should hang their heads in shame.

    https://twitter.com/jrubinblogger/status/896514989829304326

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    jl says:

    @TriassicSands: ‘ He even repeated “on many sides.” ‘

    Hate the say it, but Trump is code talking, it’s a nod and a wink. He’s actually doing what they wrongly accused Obama of doing.

    Not surprising. Two things that Trujmp really is deep down: an all purpose ignorant bigot, and a con man. But hard to come out and accuse president. But here we are. At some point, to excuse or ignore is to be complicit.

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    randy khan says:

    Mark Warner:

    “Virginians mourn the life taken in this morning’s events and reject this hateful violence in Charlottesville. We condemn the intolerance behind it and those who would pass it off as a legitimate political movement.

    “Those who traveled to Virginia to incite unrest don’t understand the Virginia-born values that make our country great.

    “I have been in touch today with the Governor’s Office and the Mayor, and stand prepared to help connect them with any additional federal resources that might be needed. My thoughts are with the victims, the great people of Charlottesville, and the police and first responders who restored order. I will continue to monitor the situation in Charlottesville and pray for its peaceful resolution.”

    Linky

    Tim Kaine:

    “Virginia has come so far in recent decades to put division behind us. Both Anne and I are so proud of this progress. It’s sickening to see the displays of violence and bigotry that were brought to Charlottesville by white nationalists over the last 24 hours, which tragically led to injuries and at least one death today. This is not who we are. Charlottesville is a vibrant community that recognizes the deep scars from our past and has rejected hatred in favor of inclusion.

    “The fact that people like David Duke cited the President to justify their views is a disturbing reminder that divisive rhetoric has sadly contributed to a climate where individuals who espouse hate feel emboldened. As they seek publicity through their hateful tactics, let’s pull together–regardless of party, race or religion–to reject hatred in no uncertain terms and stand together. I’m encouraged by the words of leaders on both sides of the aisle who have spoken out forcefully against what has occurred today, and it’s critical that we follow up those words with action that builds a more inclusive future. We call ourselves a Commonwealth because the word signifies community. It’s who we are and we won’t go backwards.”

    Linky

    Kaine really pounded it in, didn’t he?

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    MomSense says:

    @lamh36:

    One of my favorites, too. I may have to go spend a little time on Souza’a IG feed just soaking in the goodness.

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    Another Scott says:

    Doktor Zoom tells us that even Mike Huckabee had a stronger statement than Donnie did.

    It’s all so curious, how few see things the way Donnie does. It’s almost like his brain is damaged or something.

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    Just a couple of days ago Chuck Todd scolded Tom Perez because Dems haven’t been more welcoming to the guy in the pickup truck with the Confederate flag bumper sticker. They would never put that kind of pressure on Republicans. “What about the woman in the pussy hat who supports Planned Parenthood? What about the black guy who wants police reform?” are questions that would never be asked of a Republican.

    Democrats need to recognize this. And they need to push back harder when the media throws this kind of bullshit in their faces.

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    dmsilev says:

    The NYT just now (no link):

    President Trump is rarely reluctant to express his opinion, but he is often seized by caution when addressing the violence and vitriol of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and alt-right activists, some of whom are his supporters.

    After days of genially bombastic interactions with the news media on North Korea and the shortcomings of congressional Republicans, Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned the bloody protests in Charlottesville, Va., in what critics in both parties saw as muted, equivocal terms.

    ‘Genially bombastic’? Apparently now threatening to unleash nuclear hellfire on the world is at the same level as a boxer trash-talking his opponent before a bout.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: we could hav e had this woman for our President. Oh, wait – but her emails.

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    efgoldman says:

    @jl:

    At some point, to excuse or ignore is to be complicit.

    Every douchebag asshole knuckle dragging, mouth breathing flying monkey that voted for fuckface, and every ignorant ballsack that voted third party or didn’t vote for president, is more than complicit. They are fully responsible.

    Fuckem

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    mike in dc says:

    25 years out from becoming a majority-minority country, and the white supremacist bs is already this bad. It’s going to take an active effort at every level–media, grassroots, government and law enforcement at every level from local to state to federal–over the next couple decades to rein these fuckers in.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: James Alex Fields, Jr. has been identified as the suspected driver of a vehicle that rammed into protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing one and injuring dozens more. Fields was booked in jail on suspicion of second-degree murder, police told the Washington Post. Fields, 20, is from Maumee, Ohio, outside of Toledo. Fields registered as a Republican in 2016, public records reviewed by The Daily Beast show. Fields was cited for expired plates in May 2017, records show.

    Law-talkers: can you explain the second-degree charge?

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    sharl says:

    @lamh36: Yep, what happened in Charlottesville last night suggested the possibility for today’s awful event. And I hope local officials are being severely questioned about what appears (to me) to be insufficient response to last night.

    A black Charlottesville resident tweeted out updates from a special church service held last night, that was in close proximity to the nazi Tiki torch rally. I’m assuming it’s the same church service you referenced.

    By the way, that same guy created a list of what he considers good twitter sources of Charlottesville news, for anyone interested.

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    dmsilev says:

    @jl:

    Two things that Trujmp really is deep down: an all purpose ignorant bigot, and a con man. But hard to come out and accuse president. But here we are. At some point, to excuse or ignore is to be complicit.

    Josh Marshall just now:

    Through today I’ve heard various politicians, journalists and public people asking Trump some version of, “Why can’t you denounce this?”

    We’ve been here for … what? Almost two years? I understand the impulse. But at a certain point, we’re simply being chumps to keep asking. We know. If we don’t, we should. I’m tempted to say we have no excuse. There’s not. But there is some explanation. We have become as a people, or at least our establishment voices, like family members in the home of an abuser, unable to face the obvious reality of our situation because it is in the nature of living with an abuser that it warps your reality. As I wrote last October, “one of the greatest damages is that we’ve all come to see Trump’s chaotic emotions, violence and tirades as perhaps half normal. I had a hard time divining whether his angry bluster and transgressive antics in the debate would have any effect because we’ve all become so used to it. Like family members living in the home of an abuser our sense of what is normal starts to get blunted and deformed under the weight of abuse. The whole country is damaged in a way that won’t soon lift under the best of circumstances.”

    Our sense of reality has been warped. People who refuse to condemn nazis and white supremacists even in the most clear-cut cases – again and again, month after month and year after year – do so because they support those people. This may sound extreme but it is obvious. We are like a woman who can’t admit her husband is an abuser. ‘I provoked him.’ ‘He’s got stress at work.’ ‘It was just one time.’ ‘He said he was sorry.’ You want to shake someone like this to open their eyes and see the reality of the situation. But living with someone with a damaged psyche has in turn damaged them. It is hard to emerge from.

    Trump refuses to condemn these people because he recognizes them as supporters and he supports them. That’s the truth. Anything else is denial.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @lamh36: Wow

    @dmsilev: After days of genially bombastic interactions with the news media on North Korea and the shortcomings of congressional Republicans,

    What the fucking fuck? I’m thinking of his remarks on N Korea and Venezuela, all the reputation of “you know what that means/I think you know what I mean”– there was nothing “genial” about his casual calls for hot, even nuclear, war

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    Mike J says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    can you explain the second-degree charge?

    He didn’t arrive planning on murdering people, but decided to on the spur of the moment.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @raven:

    Why does this dude on MSNBC keep calling the murder “an accident”.

    Might be referring to the reports that the attacker pushed another car into the crowd.

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    An American president is unable to bring himself to condemn Nazis.

    I keep waiting for auto-correct to fix that sentence.

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    jl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Media cowardice. I could see even the likes of Niki Haley in a news clip not even being able to hide for a second her “OMFG the nutbag is saying this shit!!??’ face when he went raving on about Venezuela.

    Every second thing Trump has said about foreign policy the last few days shows that he is completely unfit for office. ‘Genial’ my fat damned ass. NYT deserves some letters in response to that garbage.

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    randy khan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Law-talkers: can you explain the second-degree charge?

    Intentional but not premeditated – he had reason to think he’d kill someone, but he didn’t plan it ahead of time.

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    JPL says:

    There are fundamentally no good days for an administration whose chief is completely unfit for office.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/896540174162817024

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    jl says:

    @dmsilev: The hard core racists, bigots, xenophobes, fascists, authoritarians, and intolerant (and to be quaint about it, heretical) Xtian fundies who buy into this poison are Trump’s base. He knows it.

    Edit: the one and probably only thing Trump understands is marketing to easily duped messed up people. So Trump knows very well, sadly, what he is doing.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here’s the way the story starts:

    BRIDGEWATER, N.J. — President Trump is rarely reluctant to express his opinion, but he is often seized by caution when addressing the violence and vitriol of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and alt-right activists, some of whom are his supporters.

    After days of genially bombastic interactions with the news media on North Korea and the shortcomings of congressional Republicans, Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned the bloody protests in Charlottesville, Va., in what critics in both parties saw as muted, equivocal terms.

    During a brief and uncomfortable address to reporters at his golf resort in Bedminster, N.J., he called for an end to the violence. But he was the only national political figure to spread blame for the “hatred, bigotry and violence” that resulted in the death of one person to “many sides.”

    I assume the “genial” was in his general interactions with the few reporters he was willing to talk to at his golf club in New Jersey. It’s a horrible sentence construction, though, if that’s what the writers meant, and should have been caught by a competent editor. The mixed-up order of the sentences invites confusion.

    Just a guess.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @lamh36: Wow. That’s pretty rough stuff.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Hmm this one feels like it’s turning a corner against the Alt Right, at lest I hope so.

    Typical Donald unless Trump, the racists are proTrump so to Trump they are good and the protestors are the evil ones. God damn that overgrown nine year old is an utter waste of space on this planet. As Josh at Talking Points Memo pointed out even Mike Huckabee gets what happened is wrong.

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    jl says:

    @Another Scott:They fired most of their copy editors, right? Hell with them. Still sounds pretty weak.

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    bupalos says:

    Law-talkers: can you explain the second-degree charge?

    My understanding would be that at that point you only go with what is indisputable to hold him. I don’t think it has anything to do with what he’s ultimately charged with.

    But I’d also say it possibly will be hard to convict above 2nd degree given the atmosphere, unless there are postings or something showing he was planning to kill people there will be an awful lot of opportunity to claim a heat of the moment thing.

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    tobie says:

    Pence’s statement was just as weak-kneed and vague a condemnation as Trump’s. He’s just as bad. He should not get away with this since he may well replace Trump if/when the Mueller investigation heats up.

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    bupalos says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’m happy that the usual suspects may be tilting a little further in the right direction than one might expect, but there’s kind of a risk here. A spectacular and unequivocal event like this allows people that in every other way are systemic racism supporters to point to “real racism” (eg. the incredibly rare murderous personal insane kind.) At the same time that it’s heartening to know they draw a line somewhere, they use that same far off line to defend the innocence of the things that eg. deny minorities healthcare and education and concentrate minority poverty. Things that ultimately have much more profound and far reaching implications for us all, things that are responsible for many more deaths and wasted lives, that go under the radar because they don’t have a swastikas stamped all over them.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @mike in dc: or we could destroy them… I mean I’m to the point where I don’t want to share the country with a bunch of angry stupid revanchists

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Is Jennifer Rubin on a road to John-Cole-ascus conversion?

    Jennifer Rubin‏Verified account @ JRubinBlogger
    Let’s drop pretense that Confed statues aren’t dog whistles for white nationalists. Now we all agree, all should come down in every city
    the Virginia GOP wanted a discussion about Confed. statues? You got it, fellas. Over to you, @ EdWGillespie
    Want to do something? 1. Demand any Confed statue in your town come down 2. Tell US Rep/Sens to rebuke pres and demand Bannon be fired
    3. Examine public photos to identify wh nationalists 4. demand DOJ investig under Civil Rights statutes

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    Catatonia says:

    @lamh36:
    Strange days: I’m following her on twitter. Six months ago I couldn’t stand her. But her skewering of swastika don is can’t miss stuff.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @bupalos: They bloody well better draw the line; this isn’t happening in some slum but in their precious gentrified, middle class cities. I can not imagine anyone looking at those pictures of those militia twats waving automatic weapons and not cringe at the though of it happening their town.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: Basically.*

    *Not licensed in VA.

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    Schmendrick says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Just to amplify, this white woman speaks for me right now. Screw any of my fellow white people who still want to pretend that this surge of white supremacy has nothing to do with them and that they have no responsibility to help stamp it out.

    As an old white man she speaks for me, too. I made a pest of myself over the deathcare bill with my Senator — I guess I need to start making some more calls. So far deafening silence on radical Christian terrorism from Senator Heller

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    Jeffro says:

    @randy khan: Kaine did and good for him. There is no downside, none whatsoever, to piling on the president* and his white supremacist staff & support base. McAuliffe’s statements were just incredible as well.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Catatonia: well, Jennifer Rubin is smart enough to know what’s likey to happen when the right wing winks at white supremacists.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I do love it – Ed Gillespie thought he was going to put on his “moderate” mask and sneak in a win. Uh uh. Especially with the VA GOP as split as it is already? Decide, Ed. Stand by some actual principles and lose the Nazi vote, or go down in shame & flames trying to mealy-mouth it all like your president*

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jeffro:

    McAuliffe’s statements were just incredible as well.

    From my distant perch in Wisconsin, it appears that he has been doing a great job as governor. Pardoning people so they can vote. Being at the airport to deal with the Muslim ban shit. And so on.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Jesus on a pogo stick; idiotic racist,whites living in their own version of reality wandering around in mobs insulting and harassing people, the Walter Mitty crowd out in force playing soldier, vehicles running down people, this is is a real life version of the damn on line role playing game I GM for. These twats worked up the guts to finally do it for real. I finally reached my ending of the Planet of the Apes movie moment…

    (and before you ask, no I do not allow racism in the game, just the players are just grrr)

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    Brachiator says:

    @Kay:

    .None of that happened. He gets worse every day. He’s nastier, more mean-spirited and he lies more than the day he took office and he was pretty damn bad before. Now it’s rock bottom and they’re fine with it.

    He’s Trump. Once he hits rock bottom he pulls out a drill and goes digging for new bottom.

    The Republicans thought that they could contain or restrain Trump. Some foolishly still think he can be manipulated. And each day, Trump gets closer to triggering some tragedy from which the nation might not recover.

    Every day, Republicans should be asked, when are you going to remove Trump from office.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Terry Mac has been the only thing that has kept Virginia from turning into East Brownbackistan. He’s done very, very well with a weak hand.

    It’s essential that we keep the Governor’s Executive Mansion this November, and we need to do all we can to cut the Teabaggers House of Delegates majority (the state Senate election isn’t until 2019).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay: @Brachiator: You’re both exactly right: he has gotten worse at every turn, from joke candidate to contender to finalist to nominee to party standard-bearer to PEOTUS to POTUS. It’s important to point this out to anyone still even slightly in support of this dangerous man-child: he has devolved every step of the way. What will you be supporting six months from now?

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @efgoldman: Hate to say it, but that’s the one reason Lord Dampnut is in the WH and they’re not.

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