Here are some tweets from reporters covering the Nazi parade:
Violence erupts #charlottesville pic.twitter.com/yf9qUeGzX2
— Andy Campbell (@AndyBCampbell) August 12, 2017
Anti-Nazi protesters chanting, “We’re here! We’re gay! We fight the KKK!”
Thousands have flooded Emancipation Park and the surrounding area #charlottesville pic.twitter.com/shweXns1Cv
— Andy Campbell (@AndyBCampbell) August 12, 2017
Nazi scum chanting “Fuck you, faggots!”
You heard that right. They're chanting "Fuck you faggots." 2017. #Charlottesville pic.twitter.com/pMwbSXZ3wW
— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 12, 2017
Militia goons surrounding a park:
Militia with semi-auto rifles surround the park (alongside cops) where the Unite the Right rally was initially scheduled #charlottesville pic.twitter.com/59FL4PfdRK
— Andy Campbell (@AndyBCampbell) August 12, 2017
Looks like it’s the wrong park too. Thanks for radicalizing these fucking geniuses, NRA!
Do you think Donald Trump will find a moment, perhaps on the golden throne, to tap out a tweet condemning the fact that honest-to-Christ Nazis are terrorizing an American city today? Hell no. They’re his base.
On the bright side, reporters are saying the anti-Nazi counter-protest is shaping up to be much larger than the Nazi march. Stay safe, counter-protesters.
Open thread.
Trentrunner
This is fine.
Michael Bersin
When people who aren’t Nazis march without tiki torches in broad daylight in Kansas City (August 12, 2017)
debbie
Do the cops not have a problem with those armed militia clowns alongside them?
Frankensteinbeck
Ah, good, that is what I was hoping for. They have done their damnedest to rig the situation so they won’t have to be outnumbered, thus the march last night and probably the changing location today. They need it constantly ground in that they are a tiny minority and live under the threat of a vast, hostile majority. That is the only thing that prevents them from campaigns of violence. Bullies depend on an overwhelming advantage.
trollhattan
The “open carry” thing has really calmed down a nervous nation. As to the “semi-auto” bit I’ll bet my next paycheck at least a few are no longer “semi.” #LeadPoisoningisPermanent
Shana
Haven’t heard from my daughter yet – UVA Law School grad who’s down there as a legal observer/aid – and am slightly concerned. Not much as she’s pretty sensible, but still a little concerned.
ETA: got a text at 11:03 saying she’s still safe.
hitchhiker
@acluva is a good twitter feed right now.
Also where the eff is Terry McAuliffe?
MJS
Someone should tell those fuck wits their camo isn’t working. I can see them plain as day.
cope
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking.
dr. bloor
@debbie: They probably don’t have much of a say in the matter.
It will be a miracle if the day ends without a body count.
bystander
Joy Reid on MSNBC is covering live.
trollhattan
@debbie:
I’ll put the ratio at 80:20 for Getthefuckouttahere:I’dbewithyouifIweren’tworking.
schrodingers_cat
Thank You counter protesters.
Kay
Donald Trump has to denounce them. Oh, right. No he doesn’t. Any other President would have to, but not our pampered toddler-President. We have a special, lower standard for Trump.
theflax
It’s the right park. Charlottesville tried to get the rally moved from this semi-residential neighborhood to a park outside of town but (thanks in part to the dumbasses at the ACLU) they were denied.
Cheryl Rofer
hovercraft
@Shana:
I’m glad she safe.
Fucking Twitler must be so proud. I wonder when he’ll tweet about the anti Neo-Nazi thugs who’ve attacked peaceful patriots marching in defense of Real American Heritage.
Splitting Image
As a historical note: the phrase “Unite the Right” was coined in Canada during the 1990s by a Mr. Frum, with whom some of you might be familiar.
The official purpose of the “Unite the Right” movement was to bring together the conservative movement, which was at the time split into three factions. The real purpose was to instill a belief that “uniting the right” depended on the centrists making however many concessions the radical right demanded to keep them in the party. The results are as you see above.
I wonder if Mr. Frum can be reached for comment.
Mike R
The lack of self awareness of these militia jerks is over whelming. As someone who comes from a family of WWI and WWII combat veterans and as Vietnam veteran they are just such a bunch of degenerate fucks and wannabes my absolute disgust with them is indescribable. How they can do this in public, simply pathetic, oh crap what a bunch of fucking punks.
Kay
Another low quality Trump hire. I love the massive security presence around these people. The US Secretary of Education now spends millions of dollars monthly on her personal security force. Someone should tell her she’s not that important to most people. Is she afraid the unwashed masses will get access to her super-secret school voucher plan?
VIP’s, baby. Very Important People. Their ideas must really suck if they’re this terrified of the public finding out about any of them.
Bring Mooch back, with his expensive sunglasses and celebrity posse. At least he was entertaining.
MJS
A couple things – I think we can dispense with the term “Neo-Nazi”. 99.9% of the “original” Nazis are dead, so the ones we have now can simply be called “Nazis”. Also, what is it with a large portion of white Americans identifying with the causes of vanquished foes? From the Confederacy, to Nazis, and now with the losers of the Cold War, these guys really like siding with history’s losers.
p.a.
@Kay: http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/08/12
sadly accurate. sadly, better political commentary in comics than elsewhere
Shana
@Shana: Just got another text saying she’s seen a few beatings and “Bit of tear gas but I haven’t had it bad so far”. Don’t know if that means she’s been exposed to it or just seen it deployed.
Mike R
@MJS: They identify with there own kind, losers and shitheads.
lamh36
@Kay: i don’t even know why they think Donald Trump will be a comforting force..he’s is the gasoline the inflamed them
raven
@Mike R: Roger that.
hovercraft
@Splitting Image:
This is why even though many people on the right are now staunchly anti Twitler, I do not embrace them, they have too much to answer for. Frum blames Obama for the rise of Twitler, and he hasn’t apologized for his axis of evil bs. Fuck him.
Jennifer Rubin is more honest, she acknowledges that Twitler is a symptom not the disease.
bemused
@Splitting Image:
Today we see in Charlottesville these Neo-Nazi’s attempting to fulfill their dream of “Unite Under the Alt-Right”.
sukabi
Pastor literally pulled out of interview with Joy Reid
Security guard grabbed her and removed her for her own safety.
Villago Delenda Est
The same rule that applies to the Village applies to Nazis.
Wipe them out. All of them.
Baud
As long as we don’t call them deplorable. That would be beyond the pale.
lamh36
Fuq You Chris Cillizza …mighty white if you to be able to just ignore them…some of us are their targets and can’t just ignore them
https://twitter.com/gryking/status/896396353294802945
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Kay:
She’s afraid of what people will do to her when it’s revealed she plans to recommend to have all public schools closed and funds allocated to build shitty failing charter schools that everyone will be forced to attend.
NobodySpecial
@lamh36: Maybe his bosses could quit hiring their apologists.
lamh36
Prediction: WH issues statement with no outright condemnation but instead praise of police & local govt, & comment on counter protestors
Splitting Image
@hovercraft:
Exactly.
Cheryl Rofer
A hockey team is disavowing the Nazis in Charlottesville before the President of the United States
lamh36
El Caganer
@lamh36: Ignoring them is about the worst thing anybody could suggest – it will just convince them that you’re afraid of them.
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: How did the Red Wings get wrapped up into this?
Cheryl Rofer
Another Scott
@hitchhiker: He declared a state of emergency.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
lamh36
FUQ you Paul Ryan
https://twitter.com/houseinsession/status/896401338569023490
Baud
@lamh36:
Yes, Ignore the Nazis. Let’s instead focus on how GoogleBro was wronged.
Adam C
Trump will lie about anything, go back and forth as the wind blows, and forget what he said 10 minutes ago. But he does not, ever, criticize fascists, white supremacists, or Putin.
raven
Woo, motherfucker with a confederate flag with a nice big lump of his head!! I guess these badasses aren’t really locked and loaded.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: But they are pale and proud of it.
Baud
Why don’t we burn Confederate flags more?
zhena gogolia
@lamh36:
Thank you for that. I get so sick of this line. At least if you’re old enough, you know that racist scum are a constantly renewable resource, not limited to the older generations.
trollhattan
@Kay:
Agree, Mooch captured the Trump zeitgeist perfectly–the Bronx-born Manhattanite-wannabe president’s doppelganger.
FlipYrWhig
I can’t imagine that this demonstration accomplishes anything but making the demonstrators look insane and malevolent. What’s the point, to complain that left protests get friendly coverage but theirs don’t? Or to provoke a reaction like Fred Phelps? Because, ya know, people in general don’t like contorted-faced shouters with guns and torches.
Baud
@FlipYrWhig:
That’s considered presidential these days.
raven
@FlipYrWhig: There are people that would be just thrilled if someone got killed.
Flanders' Other Neighbor
Paging Jake and Elwood Blues.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam C:
The terrorist attack on the mosque in Minnesota was a week ago. Has Trump said anything, including diddly or squat, about that yet? Let alone condemning the perpetrators?
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: Last I heard, they were waiting to confirm liberals didn’t do it.
Amir Khalid
@theflax:
Isn’t that a bit harsh on the American Civil Liberties Union? If I recall rightly, their mission includes defending the freedom of all speech, not just agreeable speech, and they are obliged to defend it for neo-Nazis just as they are obliged to defend it for the majority who oppose neo-Nazis.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Kay: I’m so tired of the Toddler in Chief. He is – as you first noted – an aggressively bad person. And he’s aspirational for these assholes – they want to be mean, bullying, proudly ignorant, racist, and dishonest, without suffering social or legal consequences. He is, so why can’t they? Of course he won’t denounce this – it’s a group of his most enthusiastic supporters.
lamh36
Tweet from National FOP
Kathleen
@debbie: Haven’t scrolled thru comments but per CBS News police declared area unsafe and left. The reporter said she’s never seen that happen before.
https://twitter.com/CBSNews
ETA apologies if this was already covered.
Baud
@lamh36: That’s not bad. Accurately labeling each group.
zhena gogolia
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
The NYT has a story today about how Trump’s base loves his “fire and fury” shit. Duh. Why don’t you tell us something we don’t know? Why do you give these morons a megaphone?
lamh36
BretH
And thus is born a martyr for The Cause. Which enables more victimization claims and more recruiting. I think they should have just been ignored except for contemptful looks from passers-by. Thus any violence would have been of their own making. Ignore them if they are being lawful and throw their asses in jail when they step out of line.
Jeffro
Any & all blood is on your hands, GOP – you enabled the Klown-In-Kchief, you own this.
Kathleen
@Shana: Sending prayers for your daughter. Bless her brave soul and heart!
Cheryl Rofer
@Baud: I have not been following closely, but apparently the Nazis are using the Red Wing symbol.
Betty Cracker
@lamh36: That sounds about right. If he says anything at all, that is.
FlipYrWhig
@Amir Khalid: As I recall the first anyone ever heard of Glenn Greenwald was his defending a neo-Nazi demonstrator. I don’t think it was an ACLU case but it was thematically similar to previous ones in which they’d taken an interest.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker:
It’s not raining yet here in CT, I assume not in NJ, so he’s probably busy.
raven
@BretH: Fuck him
Sab
@Baud: In order to burn a confederate flag you have to buy them, and nobody wants to send money to the kind of people who sell confederate flags.
Jeffro
We’ll hear from Obama and Clinton well before we hear from Twitler on this.
Baud
@Sab: Good point. Thanks.
Jeffro
@Sab: I would definitely buy some Confederate-flag toilet paper, though.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Fat Steve Bannon must be so proud. Those are his peeps! Loathsome toads, the lot of them. Racism is alive and well in an embarrassingly large swathe of white America.
Matt McIrvin
@FlipYrWhig: What it demonstrates is that they can be insane and malevolent as much as they want, and we can’t do anything about it. A show of power. Being outrageous and even ridiculous is part of the act. The point is that this is OK now, that their side runs things, they’ve got the guns and nobody dares laugh.
Baud
Why is Atrios considered a respected blogger? I’m about to remove him from my RSS.
lamh36
oh. but he can tweet any damn time bout his poll numbers or this and that…but he’s quiet ok this??
pamelabrown53
@cope: @9.
“Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking”.
I’ll drink to that!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: Exactly. And what are we going to do about it? Vote for people who don’t support single payer? Pshaw.
Betty Cracker
Whoa — good for Leahy!
Betty Cracker
@Baud: What did he do?
Cheryl Rofer
Here’s the story about the Red Wings logo.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Schumer
March & rally in Charlottesville against everything the flag stands for. President Trump must condemn in strongest terms immediately.
Dr. Bloor
@Amir Khalid: Quite right. These things tend to serve as a test of just how much you value the 1A.
Jeffro
@lamh36: Marsha, you’re kidding right? He’s out on the 9th hole, trying to putt for double-bogey…someone will let him know if North Korea lets loose.
lamh36
Baud
@Betty Cracker: I’m finding him especially whiny lately about how we’re not introspective enough.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: Late to the thread, but this belongs up top if you can. Of course the pres hasn’t said anything, because he’s one of them.
https://twitter.com/jowrotethis/status/896392449760698368
Elizabelle
@zhena gogolia: Saw that story. Back to writing my “Dear New York Times” cancellation letter. In my head so far.
Disgusting. FTF NYT. They’re not merely reporting. They are normalizing.
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: @Baud: GOOD – Dems should pile the holy hell right on Orangemandias’ fat ass about this. Let’s hear what he chooses to say about this…let’s make sure Dems, independents, non-Trumpkin Republicans hear every last one of his 140 characters about it.
FlipYrWhig
@Baud: I haven’t kept up with recent output but AFAICT he’s been a tedious dipshit coasting on fumes since 2004.
Chris
@Jeffro:
Frakk that. My ass deserves better than Confederate toilet paper.
lamh36
Jeffro
@JPL: Ugh. Did David Duke have some sort of plastic surgery or something? Or is that just what happens to people when they join HYDRA?
Jeffro
@Chris: True, but the Confederate flag most definitely deserves to be crapped upon.
Baud
@FlipYrWhig: Even when I find him less annoying, I can’t recall anything insightful he has ever said. It’s just cynical drips and drabs. He’s not always wrong, but it’s not very illuminating.
A Ghost to Most
@MJS: I call them unamerican fascists.
pamelabrown53
@lamh36: @32.
Hi lamh. You can always count on Cilliza to say something mind-blowingly stupid. We must always, ALWAYS stand up against white supremacists.
Shana
@Jeffro: I’m sure he’s had plastic surgery. Look at old pictures of him, that’s not aging, that’s “work”.
Another Scott
@Baud: As I read him in his top post on his site at the moment, his main point – and I agree with it – is that blaming the voters is a bad approach. Candidates have to convince voters to support them, not the other way around.
I think he puts far too little emphasis on things like voter suppression, gerrymandering, and all the rest.
But the general point that our candidates need to do better isn’t wrong (even if it is kinda tautological).
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
lamh36
Oh they sent Melanie out to tweet but not cheeto??
https://twitter.com/flotus/status/896409989568507906
Jeffro
@lamh36: Thanks Melania! Which side has the hate and violence thing going, again?
FUCK “BOTH SIDES” CRAP
Cheryl Rofer
Melania provides a vapid generality. Nothing from her husband yet.
Baud
@Another Scott: It is tautological, and he never offers anything.
And blaming voters is not wrong, when the other side’s voters are inspired by hate. Our potential voters need to understand that we will protect them.
A Ghost to Most
@Mike R:
I didn’t serve in Vietnam, but I am a VW era volunteer, and I’m right there with you.
Chris
@lamh36:
Is it petty that after so many instances of cops doing to black people exactly what the Nazis want, and the Blue Wall of Silence backing then up, I’m not inclined to pray for cops right now? Let them earn their paychecks for once.
JPL
@lamh36: hahaha When she walks out and slams the door behind her, I’ll believe she cares about our country.
Amir Khalid
@Cheryl Rofer:
This is way off-topic, I know, but are the makers of Red Wing boots any relation to the Detroit ice-hockey team?
lamh36
Yutsano
@Shana: It’s nerve wracking. A good friend is doing his doctorate in physics there. Fortunately he’s not there right now (he’s at a convention) but he’ll have to come back to the scars. And wonder if any of his students were involved.
trollhattan
@Cheryl Rofer:
Ugh. Props to team management for making perfectly clear their feelings about this misappropriation
Kathleen
@Baud: He lost my respect a long time ago.
Chris
@Jeffro:
Well, send the toilet paper to prisons. Make the Aryan Brothers shit on their own flag?
Betty Cracker
So Melania Trump finally addresses it:
Sounds like she’s talking about a regrettable conflict in which both sides make valid points but need to chill. Is it so hard to condemn motherfucking Nazis in unambiguous terms? Still nothing from Trump.
Recall that Trump immediately tweets about terrorist attacks in France, Belgium, etc., if he suspects the perps are Muslim.
trollhattan
@Cheryl Rofer:
It teeters on ‘boff sides” without stating explicitly. I’d think a European citizen would feel compelled to explicitly denounce Nazism wherever it appears.
lamh36
JK Rowling
Mike in NC
Has anybody seen Bannon and Gorka taking selfies with the Alt-Right goons?
JPL
@Chris: If there were a local rally, I’d be tempted to buy a confederate flag in order to burn it in front of the assholes.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Can’t we get Jared in there to fix things? He could have Ivanka stand by and stare vacantly to help.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
It’s a well-known fact that ignoring them is the WORST tactic you can use. It makes them think that what they’re doing is okay. The only thing that works is to counter-protest in such huge numbers that they back down.
FlipYrWhig
@Betty Cracker: “Let’s not bicker about who brought flaming torches and racial slurs to whose peaceful community.”
Cheryl Rofer
@Amir Khalid: I have no idea, but I wore Red Wing boots for a long time.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Amir Khalid: I don’t think so since the boots are a MN company. “Research” reveals, per wiki, the name change was to suck up to the auto industry.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Baud: Dont forget the DNC with their Donuts/water munitions.
Jeffro
@trollhattan: you’re exactly right – it is pablum designed to fool low information folks into thinking that someone in the trump administration condemned it.
I want to hear from the great orange one himself
Come on trump, what are you waiting for? Scum
lamh36
@Chris:
Caphilldcne
@Cheryl Rofer: RMNB is nearly a daily visit from me. One of the best hockey blogs in the nation. My first hockey fandom is the Wings but the Caps are right up there. This is so upsetting yet somehow unsurprising that some Michigan right wing morons would try to steal the wings logo. I’m truly sad about the republicanization and wingnutieness of my beautiful home state. In retrospect it’s been going on forever.
Baud
Pelosi
Our nation is defined by the march of progress. Our strength lies in our diversity. We must reject hate. #Charlottesville
Kamala Harris
This is un-American. We must all stand against hatred and bigotry. Our unity is our strength and diversity is our power.
Yarrow
@lamh36: Melania can go to hell. She claimed she was going to make online bullying her “cause” and says nothing when he own husband is one of the worst offenders. This tweet is nothing more than normalizing the white supremacists, Nazis and fascists. Condemning violence on “both sides.” Morals and ethics mean nothing to these people.
Amir Khalid
@lamh36:
I don’t think Trump will dare say anything. He doesn’t want his base to turn on him.
Quinerly
@cope:
Just started reading this. Having my first Saturday beer.
trollhattan
@Yutsano:
I wouldn’t worry too much about random folks in the rather large metro area. A year ago we had a ton of skinheads and antifas bashing and stabbing the snot out of one another three miles from my casa and I didn’t even know anything was happening, other than an odd surfeit of helicopters for a Saturday.
Baud
@Amir Khalid: If he says anything, it won’t be anything in conflict with his base.
lamh36
But of course they don’t mind their votes, do they
A Ghost to Not
@Cheryl Rofer:
Thanks. I hope the Red Wings sue them into hell.
Frankensteinbeck
@Matt McIrvin:
A big part is that they believe the country is ready for a race war, that there is a vast, many millions army of whites ready to join them if they hear the call. This has never happened, and when the serious neo-Nazi types gather it’s pathetically small, about like this. Yes, most whites think they’re only a little extreme, but have zero intention of getting off their ass about it. It’s almost exactly like the socialist revolution idiocy, except at least socialists have basically good goals.
@Betty Cracker:
The point is exactly that being a neo-Nazi and preaching the violent elimination of minorities is a perfectly legitimate viewpoint that should be allowed as much room as any other. This is a statement of approval, just a wimpy one.
Chris
@Baud:
This. I’d put my money on trollish tweets calculated to outrage liberals.
pamelabrown53
@Baud: @84.
Have you read of any Republican senators denouncing this travesty and calling for trump to denounce?
(I’ll donate 100 bucks to a charity/candidate of your choice if you find a single national Republican senator).
Cheryl Rofer
Villago Delenda Est
@FlipYrWhig: Voltaire never met Julius Streicher.
Hal
New footage of the militia men
Villago Delenda Est
@pamelabrown53: Orin Hatch has. Other GOP Senators? Silent.
Baud
@pamelabrown53: I don’t really follow them. MSNBC read some statements from some random GOP people.
Cheryl Rofer
@Caphilldcne: Thanks! Not being a hockey fan, I didn’t know about RMNB. I like to have my news sources confirmed.
Yarrow
@lamh36: More than “don’t mind their votes” they need those white supremacists’ votes. Otherwise they won’t get elected. The racists, fascists, white supremacists and Nazis are the GOP base.
Villago Delenda Est
@lamh36: This has been pointed out to them in numerous replies.
Cheryl Rofer
Republican senator.
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: Who is that?
pamelabrown53
@Elizabelle: @90.
Yes, the are normalizing which is why the “Vichy Edition” should be the added caveat.
NeenerNeener
@Baud: I still visit his blog every Thanksgiving to re-read the “Preznit giv me turkee’ post. It’s become a tradition.
Kay
@Yarrow:
Please.
She gives up the right to lecture me about hate when her family rises to power on promoting the blatantly racist “birther” conspiracy. She gave up the moral high ground. They can’t have both, the Trumps. They can’t have power based on racist themes and the moral high ground. They have to choose.
I get that they’re privileged, entitled people and they believe they should have both but credibility is earned and none of them have earned it. Trump is a nasty piece of work and his administration reflects his character. They can dress it up all they like but it all goes back to the small, petty asshole at the top.
mouse tolliver
So this happened a couple days ago. Chuck Todd shames the Democratic Party for not being more welcoming to the Confederate flag flying crowd. His comment happens near the end of this Tom Perez interview.
http://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/preparing-for-2018-where-do-democrats-stand-1022001731644
Fuck Chuck Todd!
First thing I saw on the news today was a neo-Nazi waving a Nazi flag between two white supremacists waving Confederate flags. Fuck Chuck for trying to normalize their hate. Fuck Chuck for trying to shame Democrats into accepting a symbol of hate.
Establishment Dems need to wake up though. Perez had a weak response to that question. This is asymmetrical warfare. The time for outreach and conciliatory rhetoric is over. If this was about anything but racism the WWC wouldn’t throw their support to the party that is openly opposed to a “livable wage.”
Kay
Wouldn’t it be the attorney general’s role to denounce race-based hatred? Oh, right. He’s a low quality hire too. No help there! We may be down to some assistant secretary level before we find a decent Trump hire. The top tier clearly aren’t up to the challenge.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Quinerly:
What brew?
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Quinerly:
It’s only just after ten here, but I’ll join you in that beer before too long, I suspect.
I’m a total uber geekster, but I wish Star Trek were the reality: humans of all colors working alongside Vulcans, Klingons, Dinibean Slime Devils…
Can we make it so?
ThresherK
@Baud: Internal monologue, each:
Lurking Canadian
The image above points to something in the “open carry” movement that doesn’t make sense. (Well, the whole movement doesn’t make sense, but this in particular.)
There must be a way for the government to pass a law against armed rebellion. That’s what this is. These are not individual housewives bringing their AR-15 to the Kroger. This is a battalion of hostile riflemen occupying a public square. Sure they haven’t shot anybody yet. Lee’s forces probably didn’t shoot anybody in Pennsylvania before the first day of Gettysburg either, but that doesn’t make them not an invading army.
And if the police have really fled the scene because they’re scared…fuck them. When did cowardice on duty become such an acceptable thing to claim?
Caphilldcne
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: this just sent me wandering around the web and yeah just seems to be because the new owner was involved with a Montreal bicycling club and liked their logo plus thought it would ingratiate him with the Detroit auto magnates. It turns out Red Wing Minnesota (home to the shoes/boots) is named after an Indian chief from the area. Which surprised me because I was pretty sure that the town and the team were both named after the red wing blackbird. I really should have known that. Fortunately I can say with confidence that my other team the Washington Capitals are named after the practice of capitalizing names and first letters in sentences.
Cheryl Rofer
@Baud: Apparently one of the senators from Montana.
Kay
I know Obama is a private citizen and he did his time but since it’s clear Donald Trump is fucking obsessed with Obama in a small, jealous way, wouldn’t it be fun if Obama goaded him?
Like a red flag in front of a particularly dense and elderly bull. I would completely enjoy it and if he plays it right he could keep Trump busy for months, which will limit damage to the rest of us.
Just a tweet once a week. 30-40 seconds of his time :)
Yarrow
@Kay: Melania never has had any right to tell the rest of us what to do. She sold herself for money when she married the racist shitbag. If that’s how she wants to live her life, whatever, her choice. She doesn’t get to then turn around and lecture the rest of us on morals and ethics. She’s a fraud.
Caphilldcne
@Cheryl Rofer: it’s an awesome site and occasionally breaks interesting news and are generally very reliable.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Yarrow:
Exactly right. Melania doesn’t really care. She’s only doing this for appearance’s sake
Quinerly
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
I held off until 11:45 AM here in St. Louis. Sitting here at a cafe, outside with brunch friends, gazing at Anheuser Busch Brewery, drinking a local, craft IPA. Inside, they just turned on MSNBC. I was trying so hard to tune out and drop out today….but I digress…..
El Caganer
@Kay: The only thing Sessions would denounce about race-based hatred is that there isn’t enough of it.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Lurking Canadian:
If they’re so scared why not call in neighboring police forces for reinforcements? Is that a thing that can be done?
Quinerly
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
Local craft…a very hoppy I PA brewed by 4 Hands Brewery here in St. Louis. I live 3 blocks from AB and don’t drink AB products….
pamelabrown53
@Cheryl Rofer: @138.
Cheryl, I clicked on your link and got a “This Page Doesn’t Exist” notification. Can you fix?
pamelabrown53
@Villago Delenda Est:
Excelllent! Where can I find his statement?
pamelabrown53
@Baud:
:) <3.
SiubhanDuinne
@pamelabrown53:
Same here.
ETA: It’s gone on long and often enough now that I’m beginning to think that’s the Twitter version of rickrolling. I don’t think there is such a picture. No other news anywhere of Spencer getting arrested in Charlottesville.
thaflax
@Amir Khalid: No. They defended hate speech, not simply disagreeable speech, and helped make a bad situation worse. CVille wan’t banning the protest, just trying to move it to a spot with fewer people and businesses after leaning that more people were going to attend than noted on the initial permit application. ALCU had no business weighing in, although I guess it helps burnish their BOTH SIDES DO IT bona fides
Uncle Ebeneezer
@El Caganer: He denounces whatever scheduling conflict prevents him from attending.
pamelabrown53
@Quinerly: @163.
Are you at Howard’s? Wherever you are, have a delightful day.
pamelabrown53
@SiubhanDuinne:
Wouldn’t be the first time (we’d been rickrolled).
Shalimar
@Lurking Canadian: it isn’t the open carry law that is the problem. It is a symptom. All previous rally evidence from the last 2 years strongly suggests that if it was the NAACP that was ringing a protest site with members carrying semi-automatic weapons, police would have arrested all of them and sorted out the legalities later.
theflax
@hitchhiker: He’s been on top of it; among other things he declared a state of emergency before the rally was even supposed to start. Stop implying/assuming he’s a bad governor.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Yarrow:
If she were a food, she’d be gluey risotto: flavorless, empty calories.
Quinerly
@pamelabrown53:
Frazer’s. Friend now from Eureka Springs staying with me awhile. Another friend now from Yosemite visiting. They picked the spot. Hope all is well with you. Come back for a visit!
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
No relation. “Red Wing” was sort of a regional meme, for lack of a better word, in Michigan and Minnesota. There was a famous Dakota Sioux chief by that name in the early 19th century, and the name was well known. There is a town in Minnesota called Red Wing, dating from the 1850s.
Karen
http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/08/12/breaking-bodies-everywhere-after-car-accelerates-into-counter-protestors-in-virginia/
AnotherBruce
@Chris: What the fuck are the cops not doing at the Nazi rally? Not enough black people to beat up?
Sister Golden Bear
@Mnemosyne: Exactly.
Back in the glorious days of a misspent youth when I hung out in punk clubs in the 80s, the punks would literally punch any skinhead Neo-Nazi who showed up.
Because, based on experience, if you didn’t, the more and more of them would show up until they drove away everyone else. FWIW, club management would turn a blind eye to this of street preventative measures, because they didn’t want those sorts of skinheads around either.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@lamh36: Representative Blackburn’s devotion to the GOP is exceeded only by her self-absorbed stupidity.
trnc
No need for a law. It’s already covered.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; … To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
What we really need is for people to learn that the 2nd Amendment is not a non-sequitur and that the militia to which 2A refers are the same militia that are strictly regulated per other articles of the constitution.
Another Scott
@trnc: Good points. Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.