Best way to stop Alt-Right and Neo-Nazi violence in #Charlottesville is to show up in the thousands and #DefendCville-not ignore the threat. pic.twitter.com/ZrJBFr9C3Y
— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) August 10, 2017
Poor little Charlottesville (so close to DC, so far from… the concrete canyon haunts of scary urban types, ifyouknowwhatimeanandithinkyoudo) is not looking forward to the weekend. Per the SPLC:
Hundreds of Alt-Right activists and white nationalist extremists are set to descend on the small community of Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday in what’s shaping up to be the largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the United States.
“Unite the Right” is expected to draw a broad spectrum of far-right extremist groups – from immigration foes to anti-Semitic bigots, neo-Confederates, Proud Boys, Patriot and militia types, outlaw bikers, swastika-wearing neo-Nazis, white nationalists and Ku Klux Klan members – all of whom seem emboldened by the Trump presidency…
Those Out’n’Proud racists better bring their RVs and camper tops, because I am happy to note that the local Airbnb is not sympathetic. Per the Washington Post:
… As city leaders worked Monday trying to defuse an increasingly tense situation, the lodging rental company Airbnb quietly booted users who it believed were searching for lodging to attend the rally.
The company confirmed they had taken action in a statement to NBC29: “When through out background check processes or from input of our community we identify and determine that there are those who would be pursuing behavior on the platform that would be antithetical to the Airbnb Community Commitment, we seek to take appropriate action including, as in this case, removing them from the platform.”
That stance didn’t sit well with the rally’s organizer, Jason Kessler.
“This is outrageous and should be grounds for a lawsuit,” Kessler told The Washington Post on Monday night. “It’s the racial targeting of white people for their ethnic advocacy.”…
What a fragile snowflake. To quote my Orange-bred granny: Go boil yer head, it might be useful then [as cabbage soup].
Much more on the proposed rally and counter rallies here, here, and here — in the NYTimes:
… [T]he rally’s leaders have complained in their social media posts of a “heckler’s veto,” saying that the counter-protests are effectively censoring their free speech rights.
“There is just an incredible amount of discrimination from the city government and other elements of the community to keep people from eating at the restaurants they want to eat at, to keep people from renting,” Mr. Kessler said. “There’s just an enormous amount of hostility.”
Asked if he was surprised by the pushback, he said, “I think that I’m surprised by the venom and rancor from some individuals. It’s a little over the top.”
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Apart from hoping the bigots are seized by a great confusion & fright causing them to turn on each other with the same rancor, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the week?
Baud
Larger than the Republican National Convention?
NobodySpecial
Why can’t we have them all meet at some place with significant geological activity, like on the Madrid Fault?
Baud
It’s so funny when my dog keeps glancing as the food to remind me where it is. Just in case I forgot. Because that has to be the only explanation.
hellslittlestangel
Huh? Charlottesville is a fairly large, and quite diverse, city.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Ouch.
NorthLeft12
I find it amusing that these bigoted douchebags are complaining about discrimination and “oppression”.
The problem with their whining is that they are receiving this treatment because of what they are doing, not for who/what they are. Isn’t that supposed to be the American Way? Judge a person by their actions and not by their appearance?
OzarkHillbilly
I love how these pansy mf’ers whine about other people’s free speech drowning out theirs, and how some do not want to be associated with them in any way shape or form because they are WHITE! and WHITE! people are the most downtrodden ever and they are only standing up for WHITE! rights after all.
WATBs.
Baud
I assume this event is being called the Protest Against Economic Anxiety.
Schlemazel
@NobodySpecial:
I was thinking, Marianas Trench.
The danger with this event is that some of those dingbats have been practicing and have formed units. I am afraid if things turn ugly they will be better prepared and better organized. It could tune into a bloodbath
?BillinGlendaleCA
@NorthLeft12: Exactly, we’re not judging them because their white, but because they’re douchebags.
Baud
@NorthLeft12: I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of those businesses right to decline service any day now.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: The most oppressed class of all.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
While IANAL(but did stay in Holiday Inn Express once), I believe that’s legally permissible.
?BillinGlendaleCA
M^4 linked to a page last night that they’re going to protest against Google because they restrict speech in the workplace(and apparently will fire people that lie about their credentials).
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: That just proves how oppressed they are.
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of a Google’s right to terminate employment any day now.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Uh huh.
rikyrah
Good Morning,Everyone ???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
OzarkHillbilly
Roy Moore folks, today’s GOP in a nutshell.
ETA: In his interview with the Guardian, Moore repeated his belief that Trump was put in the White House by God. “Everybody else thinks it’s the Russians,” he said. “I think it was the providential hand of God.”
Nicole
He’s shocked that a certain group of people would be not allowed to eat in restaurants and not allowed to stay in certain neighborhoods. Oh my God, the absolute lack of self-awareness…
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
Now, if Moore were arguing that God put Trump in the White House to punish mankind, he might have something there …
?BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: So is Putin God? And if God has a “Presidential Hand”; is the right or left hand? I’m very confused by this.
OzarkHillbilly
@Nicole: And he is shocked, shocked I tell you, at the hostility and intolerance directed at raging assholes.
Just…can’t…quite…wrap…their…tiny…little…minds…around…the…fact…that…their…rights…do…not…override…other….people’s…rights.
Baud
The Democratic base is taking it from both sides.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/centrist-democrats-begin-pushing-back-against-bernie-sanders-liberal-wing/2017/08/10/6e1ea684-7d19-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Nicole: Only time the city prevented me from eating in a restaurant is when the health department shut it down.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of your right to contract salmonella any day now.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Oh gawd, that’s coming from Will Marshall? Not worth the paper that it’s written on.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Absolutely.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Matthew 6:3- “But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:” You can find all the answers in the Bible, Bill. King James of course, none of this namby pamby New Living translation shit.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t know that name.
I just pleased to see that both wings of the party have agreed to put aside their differences and come together to blame minorities and the gays for all their woes.
Unity 2020!
trnc
In other words, it’s the targeting of people doing actual racial targeting.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: He was a big McCain fan back in the day, I didn’t know he was a Democrat. I used to read his blog(back in my drinking daze), he’s pretty conservative.
satby
@rikyrah: Good morning!
I’m brining my son’s semi-feral cat in to be spayed in 1/2 an hour, and dreading the battle of trying to get her into the carrier. Because I’m allergic, wounds come with extra hives. Wish me luck.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: To paraphrase SNL, I can’t believe I’m losing to these people.
satby
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I have a vague memory, was he the Bull Moose blog guy?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@satby: That’s the guy.
OzarkHillbilly
So my youngest finally made the move to New Orleans. And guess what?
Glub glub glub….
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: I brine my chicken for 24 hours. How long does it take to brine a cat properly?
satby
@?BillinGlendaleCA: huh, used to read him too way back when JC was a conservative and I read about 10 blogs every day. In my defense, I had to sit through a LOT of telecons.
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: ?
Edited to add: she’s very sweet when she trusts you. I’m about to shatter that good.
bystander
@NobodySpecial:
I was expecting objections from OzarkHillbilly, but he’s remained silent. So OK.
Mary
@Baud: Now I am super confused about which side is supposed to be the centrist wing. I thought the centrists were the corporate whores who are good on identity politics and the leftists were the “economic concerns uber alles” crowd.
OzarkHillbilly
Feel good story of the day:
TriassicSands
I’m shocked. Out of respect for Donald Trump the North Koreans have named a short range missile after him. They probably chose the short range missile because Trump so obviously lacks stamina. The missile is called the Nodong. Perfect.
OzarkHillbilly
@bystander: I was going to mention that any place in OK is moree likely to end with injuries then the New Madrid fault zone. The New Madrid has been rather quiescent of late, where as OK is shaking like a leaf in a strong breeze.
Bobby Thomson
@satby: no, that was Marshall Wittman. Same love of Lieberman and McCain, though.
Baud
@Mary: We’re all post-Reconstructionists now.
Baud
@TriassicSands: Damn. War is guaranteed.
Schlemazel
@OzarkHillbilly:
Hope your kid can find high ground. I was there years ago & there was a deluge. With all the pumps working every intersection where I was (near the convention center at the time) and 2 feet of water standing even 20 minutes after the rain stopped. Tell them to be careful & not take chances
Baud
@Bobby Thomson: I’m bad with names in real life. Remembering who’s who among the various pundits, bloggers, and other assorted thought leaders is nigh near impossible for me.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Bobby Thomson: Ah, that’s right. (I did say there was drinking involved.)
Schlemazel
@Baud:
I’m there with you. I can’t keep names straight & even if I remember the name I get the association wrong.
debbie
@Baud:
A part of your dog’s efforts at mind control. In the not so distant future, your first move in the morning will be to the food. And you won’t know why.
TriassicSands
@Baud:
That really is the name of their short range missile, though obviously it wasn’t named after Trump. It reminds me of the Chevrolet naming problem — trying to sell the Nova in S. America. If you’re trying to be impressive while threatening a super power, choosing a name like Nodong is probably not the best idea.
Of course, it is possible for someone to claim that we in the US also named one of our missiles after Trump, also with implications for Trump’s virility — the Minuteman. Again, no stamina.
debbie
@satby:
Whew! Finally figured out you meant “bringing,” not “brining”! Good luck with the cat!
NorthLeft12
With apologies to Warren Zevon;
“I voted for the white guy……the way I always do.
How was I to know…..he was with the Russians too?”
Iowa Old Lady
Oh look, I woke up and no one nuked anybody else over night. At least not that I know of yet. Win.
Lapassionara
@Schlemazel: When we lived in Nola, we had a 30 minute downpour that overwhelmed the pumps. We were near enough to the river that our home was unaffected. As I understand it, the city is below sea level, except for the parts closest to the levee. So water flows toward the middle, where people can canoe after big rains.
NorthLeft12
@OzarkHillbilly: Thanks for that. That is a very touching story and shows [at least to me] that sometimes it is never too late to provide comfort and healing.
Everything I have read about the war in the Pacific highlighted the viciousness and hatred on both sides. Good to hear about people moving past those feelings.
Matt McIrvin
@Mary: This is what irritates me whenever people start talking about “left” vs. “centrist” Democrats. The Bernie wing wants the rest of the party to move left on some issues and right on others, and the whole point is to get white voters to whom it would be perceived as a move to the right (at the expense of the minority/LGBT/female base).
Ian G.
This right here is why I’m confident we’re not Weimar Germany. The would-be Nazi street brawlers are spending their time whining about persecution at the hands of Airbnb.
Note to the current crop of high school misfits. Joining the “alt-right” is a way to guarantee you remain a virgin into your thirties.
OldDave
@bystander:
I’ll be driving in that area in about a week (eclipse!). Thanks, but no thanks. My asshole brain always likes to remind me of the fault when I’m on the bridge over the Mississippi River at Cape Girardeau. “Now would not be a good time” I tell myself.
Matt
@Baud:
Dear Midwestern Democrats: if your participation in the party requires that it ignore “cultural issues” like “women have rights” and “transgender people exist”, GET FUCKED. Go play with the Trumpkins. The only people who are “obsessed” with these issues are your bigoted asses.
Beyond sick of “centrist Democrats” who want brownie points for not being fascists but who’ll still gladly hate anybody their local preacher tells them to.
Kay
Based on the one Right wing radio show I listen to sometimes in the car, Trumpsters aren’t mad at Trump for the failed Presidency- they’re mad at the people Trump hired. They REALLY don’t like Kelly Anne Conway- they talk about her like she’s a gold digger- which is gross all by itself because it puts her in some quasi “spouse” relationship with Trump.
It’s perfect, really. He’s not even held accountable for his own presidency.
They barely mention Democrats.
If he isn’t being stabbed in the back by the people he hired he’s being stabbed in the back by the GOP Congress. None of it is his fault.
Frankensteinbeck
@OzarkHillbilly:
Is the money quote. What is confusing the Hell out of him is that he’s getting widescale, angry pushback from WHITE people.
satby
@debbie: ahhh, never saw the typo! Now Ozark’s joke makes sense! I blame a lack of coffee,only had 2 cups before I left. I was able to surprise her and pop her into the crate with no injuries to either of us. Warned the vet techs in unambiguous terms that she will be vicious because she’s feral and scared. They do the TNR for the feral cat advocates in this area though, so they’ll be able to handle her. But I expect to pay for my treachery for at least a month.
satby
@?BillinGlendaleCA: yeah, I remember the blog, but had forgotten his name.
Chris
@Baud:
It’s really mind-blowing that what, in any other context, would be the first thing on their minds – “corporate-Americans have an absolute right to fire troublesome employees! You’re not entitled to a job at Google!” is being completely ignored, and a job at Google is, suddenly, being treated like a constitutional right. Conservatives have spent the last forty years waging a scorched-earth campaign against any protection employees might possibly have against the danger of being fired at an employer’s whim, and apparently it really and truly never occurred to them that some of those employers might be liberal, some of those employees might be conservative, and accepting those firings was going to be the cost of doing business.
Even if you agree with them that it’s horrible for this employee to be fired like this, and ignore everything he did to deserve the firing, they still have zero standing to bitch about this. This is the world they built.
germy
Well I'm sure once all the baby boomers die out, we'll be fine.
Baud
@Matt: you do know that it’s not just the “centrists” carrying that message, right?
@Kay: He is the Deplorable in Chief. They won’t turn on him unless he does something like fire Sessions. Which you’ll notice they backed away from talking about.
Starfish
@NorthLeft12: This is their schtick now. Any accountability is discrimination. There are so many tears over the firing of the Google dude who wrote the memo on how all the diversity programs should be cut and replaced by something that he did not find discriminatory against people like him.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: It’s a cult of personality. “If only the fuhrer knew…”.
satby
@Matt: you know, gay and transgender people live in the heartland too. One of the reasons these aren’t causing the groundswell of support for conservatives they expect is that many people know a family member or friend who is LGTB. Even in flyover country.
OzarkHillbilly
@OldDave: A buddy of mine was driving across the Mississippi once right after a barge loaded with oil had hit an abutment, started leaking, then caught fire. The whole damn river was lit up, looked like Armageddon..
Frankensteinbeck
@Ian G.:
I wish people would drop that argument. Growing up in the 80s, I had a good, up-close look at how ‘a man’s value is defined by his sexual conquests’ created our environment of toxic masculinity. Virgin shaming had a huge part in creating the attitude that women are for sex only, the anger about it, and the environment where even questioning the correctness of this paradigm was punishable or even unthinkable. “That loser can’t get laid” goes in a straight line to GamerGate.
satby
And the morning tweets have started, and he’s getting more belligerent.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: I remember Will Marshall. He used to run a DLC front for Al From.
Leave it to the DLC to spread Lieberman-like subversion.
This is one of the reason I supported Obama – he rejected the dlc assholes and left them to Edwards.
Drumpf is unprecedentedly shitting on his own senate leader so of course the political media runs dems in disarray article.
OzarkHillbilly
@Frankensteinbeck: Yep. “But I’m on your side!!!!!”
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Marshall may be a flake (I’ve just learned), but the article does mention a new group called the New Democrats, which includes people like Hickenlooper.
Frankensteinbeck
@Chris:
Their standing is that the conservative base full-throatedly defended the right of companies to do whatever they wanted for two reasons. First, fuck what those n-loving liberals want. Second, THEY are being denied the right to oppress minorities and generally abuse others. They at least can get a kick out of watching the rich do it. This case serves neither purpose. It’s an entirely consistent attitude, they just have to use contradictory arguments because they weren’t comfortable outing their bigotry until now.
Kay
@Baud:
It’s nice for them in a way. Ranting about “the establishment” is a convenient cover for the lousy job Trump’s doing. It explains everything- the lack of legislative accomplishments, the poor quality people he hires, how his organization is a chaotic mess filled with useless and excessive drama and no real work.
What does Bannon do, exactly? Could we see his calendar? I saw that photo they scrubbed where he has some kind of whiteboard with a bunch of “ideas” on it. Is that his job? He writes ideas on that board with colored markers?
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: May I suggest sleeping with the door locked?
Frankensteinbeck
@satby:
Against who today?
NotMax
@satby
*checks calendar*
Yup. Today has a y in it.
OldDave
@OzarkHillbilly:
I miss all the good ones. ;-) BTW, while in the St Louis area, I’ll also keep an eye out for stray drive shafts. I have a newfound respect for that sort of thing, having driven that stretch of I-55 many times (M-I-L lives in the Arnold – Festus area).
woodrowfan
@hellslittlestangel: and a good 3 hours from DC in good traffic.
Baud
@Kay:
My guess is that he only uses white markers.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
From what we’ve seen, three quarters of Trump’s cabinet, Trump himself, and almost all White House policy operate on that level.
Quinerly
Here’s one for you: https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/895409954470940676/video/1
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
The election wasn’t about gays or culture.
It was about shitting on mexicans and mooslims and those uppity people complaining about cops shooting blacks in the back.
Have you noticed, since the election we never hear peep about isis or terrorism. And from the left we never hear a peep about droooonze.
Quinerly
Big piece on Mike Pence. Well worth the time. Apologies if it has already been posted and discussed: https://newrepublic.com/article/144278/mike-pence-deep-state-trump-fears
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
It was to the extent the fundies were motivated by the Supreme Court seat. It just wasn’t talked about as much.
Frankensteinbeck
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
The press would also really, really prefer Democrats stop accusing the Republican Party of racism and agree it’s all economic anxiety. Why, they themselves agree that entitlements need to be rolled back, taxes should be lowered, the police were justified shooting that scary black guy, and Muslims are terrifying. Those CAN’T be racist attitudes!
OzarkHillbilly
@OldDave: Arnold/Festus? Watch out for all the Jeffco rednecks, far more dangerous than a stray driveshaft bouncing down the highway.
Chyron HR
Well, I bought doughnuts for the office today. I was already planning to, but knowing I’m also striking a blow against my self-proclaimed true progressive betters makes them even sweeter.
Ciotog
If they’re allowed to harass women seeking health treatments, we are allowed to heckle racists.
kindness
re – the Right wing nut job rally…..Praying for a meteor. Sorry Charlottesville, you could have said no.
I can imagine what a few surprise packs of firecrackers might bring.
Baud
@kindness: How could they have said no?
Kay
@Baud:
I tried to bring the Bernie people in after the election – once, I tried once with that one gathering- and it was a big flop. My new plan is “stay out of it and hope it all works out”. I don’t have to own the Democratic Party. I don’t know who defines it or are “the real” Democrats and I don’t care. I don’t even think of it like that. I think “the Democratic Party” is defined by the people who are either active members or people who vote for Democrats. I look at it the opposite of all these people- I think the actual composition of a group is what that group is. It isn’t theoretical to me.
To me it’s like those conservatives who say Trump isn’t a conservative or isn’t a real Republican. Sure he is. They all backed him. They can’t claim an imaginary Republican Party or conservative “movement” outside the one that exists. If there are 100 million Republicans that make up the base then those people define what the base is. There is no other, better Republican Party outside of those people.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Bobby Thomson: I know, I used to get them confused. Ed Kilgore and Jonathan Chait used to be a part that ilk until they met Barack on the road to Damascus
Laura
@Starfish: consequences, how do they work?
Also, I’m with Matt, women”s rights are not negotiable and the willingness to give financial support to anti-choice candidates after all women have done, including saving the ACA and activating the resistance will have serious implications.
OzarkHillbilly
The first in a 4 part series at the Guardian:
Go read the rest.
Baud
@Kay: Right. In the end, I just don’t think it makes sense to spend our time chasing groups that are playing hard to get.
@Laura: FWIW, I think I read that the Dem policy on funding candidates hasn’t really changed. It just made the news recently for some reason.
Frankensteinbeck
@Quinerly:
I don’t know. It’s not beyond Pence to stab Trump in the back. Everything I’ve seen matches Pence’s SOP, though. Repeat the safe conservative party dogma he’s been told to say, and wait for God to strike down Trump and make Pence the first true evangelical president as is his destiny.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
And it cost her the election.
Frankensteinbeck
@Laura:
My understanding is that Democratic Party policy was that people who personally disapprove of abortion but think it’s the woman’s right to choose are fine. The only argument I’ve heard from the establishment sounded like that taken out of context in an attempt to ratfuck. Did I miss something?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: I always felt fundies were really racists who were using religion to shield their bigotry. Look at they flocked to heathen Drumpf long before the cia smothered scalia.
Kay
@Baud:
I just want to win the governor’s race. There are several good D candidates- any one of them is fine with me. I’ll work with the Berniecrats , the centrists, whatever. The only person who has done anything concrete towards that here is LITERALLY a Republican. I suppose after this he can no longer call himself a Republican although I don’t care if he does. I no longer see the point of fighting to claim the mantle of the “real” Democratic Party.
A Ghost to Most
@Kay:
I’m to the point that I don’t even let right wingers use the term “conservative” (which I always quote) uncontested. Not another inch.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Oh, you know, that whole “Freedom of Assembly” is just so… 18th century.
Baud
@Kay: Expect many “The Party Left Me” screeds from people who choose not to join your coalition.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
I’ve had this argument in other situations and the answer is always the same, “We, as in all of us, do.” which is another way of saying, “You don’t.”
Kay
@Baud:
The Bernie people turn me off with the “respect!” thing. That’s ego. Giving someone food doesn’t mean anything bad. It’s just a doughnut. I read one of them on Twitter the other day saying someone had to “bend a knee” to them. Oh, gross. Get over yourself. No one has to do anything and that isn’t how you talk about allies anyway. Get better at this. You’re horrible.
Baud
@Kay: Talk about not being real Democrats. We don’t respect anybody.
Baud
Some good, take-it-with-a-grain-of-salt news from Vox.
Baud
More from Vox. Of particular interest to Kay.
Kay
@Baud:
The racial aspects of the “Trump Democrats” are WAY underplayed. I didn’t get it at first but once you do you can’t unsee it.
Trump IS actually one of them. His whole political career is premised on hating Obama and the launch with birtherism was no goddammned accident. Donald Trump was sitting on his fat ass somewhere in 2011 and the black guy as President enraged him. 2012 must have sent him into orbit. I wouldn’t have predicted that a NYC real estate developer would be the leader of a political “movement” that is wholly grounded in racial resentment but that’s what happened. In the movie version it would be someone from Alabama. But the idea that we transcend race in cities or northern states was always bullshit anyway.
Quinerly
For a change of pace from our local NPR station (yes, I know) an incredibly interesting segment on an ex slave who might be made a saint. His mother had been gifted to new owners as a wedding present: http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/will-father-augustus-tolton-missouri-born-first-african-american-priest-us-become-saint#stream/0
Baud
@Kay:
It is, but to be fair, they uniformly voted against him.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: Bernie’s new slogan for 2020: “Fuck Your Feelings”
Quinerly
I had forgotten the name Mario Woods. Here’s his story as told by his sweet mom. He was shot 21 times by San Francisco police. Only one shot through the front if I’m correctly recalling this segment from earlier this week. There’s a companion article in last Sunday’s “California Sunday:” https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-09/year-after-police-killed-her-son-mother-vows-march-forward
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Thanks Baud. We know a couple that used to live in Dayton, Ohio before they moved to Connecticut about 10 years ago. The examples of open and blatant racism they faced were jaw dropping. The wife was husband kitteh’s neighbor while growing up in Mumbai.
NorthLeft12
@Starfish: Yes, the Google Manifesto dude became a big deal in Canada too. A number of stories in major media complaining about how PC was more important than “science”. As if there is some kind of “scientific” proof that males are inherently superior in tech and leadership roles.
I believe it is easy to point to an Everest of anecdotal evidence that men are not superior leaders, and that if the criteria being used to evaluate leaders is biased for men, then perhaps the whole idea of what constitutes an effective leader needs a major reset.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: Those generic-ballot polls are all over the place and seem to be kind of bimodal: CNN and PPP’s polls show bigger margins, YouGov/Economist and Politico/Morning Consult consistently show a much smaller one, only about 5 points. It’s hard to say what’s going on, partly because this question is just underpolled.
Frankensteinbeck
@Matt McIrvin:
The results of special elections suggest all of those polls underestimate the increased motivation of Democratic voters. The ones we lost were in districts so safe no one dreamed they would be close races. The jump was ridiculous, like 15 to 20 points. Democrats, and even Democrat leaners, are PISSED. I hope that holds up.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Kapow
rikyrah
@Baud:
who the phuck is Marshall?
rikyrah
@satby:
good luck, satby :)
rikyrah
@Matt:
I hear you.
I am a Midwestern Democrat, but I think I have too much melanin for some folks who think my concerns are ‘ identity politics’.
I will continue to say this..
Those of us who are the ACTUAL BASE of the party are just sitting on our porches..we are watching…and our switches are sitting right next to us..
NOBODY is playing with you. Try us if you want.
rikyrah
@Kay:
The curve for unqualified White men is REAL.
They will do whatever to justify their vote for him, because, as you have pointed out so many times Kay…their vote for him completely displays THEIR LACK OF CHARACTER.
rikyrah
@Kay:
And, it’s finally settled in on them that those of us on this side:
1. Don’t respect Dolt45
2. Have no intention of respecting Dolt45
3. Look at his voters side eyed because we have no respect for you BECAUSE of your vote.
They really thought that they could bully us into submission. They’re seeing that’s not working.
I don’t think that they understand how much has changed. Don’t think that they’ve accepted how much has changed – on our side towards THEM.
Villago Delenda Est
Fuck the “alt-right”, or, as they should be called, Nazis.
rikyrah
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
UH HUH
UH HUH
LurkerNoLonger
Hey, Mitch! Get my shine box too! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-11/mcconnell-handed-daunting-to-do-list-to-win-back-trump-s-favor
rikyrah
@Quinerly:
Good morning to Poco, Ivan and John Lennon:)
OzarkHillbilly
@NorthLeft12:
With trump as President I can only say, “Well, DUH!”
O. Felix Culpa
Good morning! I’m finishing my cup of coffee and the dogs are taking their postprandial nap. Have to run a bunch of errands and take care of various organizations’ treasurer tasks before packing to visit sisters and go camping in Colorado. Rain is predicted all week, of course.
I second Iowa Old Lady’s comment at #56 (thank FSM we didn’t elect warmonger Hillary):
rikyrah
@Quinerly:
I will continue to say this..
1. Pence is up to his eyeballs in the Flynn mess
2. The thought that Dolt45 will go down WITHOUT dragging PENCE with him?
Delusional on Pence’s part. Dolt45 will NEVER take one for the team. And, if he’s going down..EVERYBODY IS.
O. Felix Culpa
@rikyrah:
Yes. As a former midwestern Democrat who now lives in Ben Ray Lujan’s district (and who worked for his reelection in 2016), I called his office and gave them an earful about his waffling on women’s rights. It’s clear they had many such calls. I’m so old that I remember when women’s rights were human rights. The Democratic party better not backtrack on this principle just to win *economically anxious* voters…who probably wouldn’t vote Democratic anyhow.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Economic anxiety my behind.
The non-Whites of this country knew, from the word GO, what ‘ MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN’ – meant.
We were clear.
Which is why, from our side of things….voting for Dolt45 SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER.
rikyrah
Message Failure From Nina Turner and Our Revolution
by Nancy LeTourneau
August 10, 2017
Nina Turner, president of Our Revolution (the advocacy group formed by Bernie Sanders), used some words to describe the Democratic National Committee, as Buzzfeed first reported: “Dictatorial.” “Arrogant.” “Pompous.” “Superficial.” “Tone-deaf.” “Tone-dead.” “Out of line.” “Insulting” — “absolutely insulting.”
What brought that on? Turner and a group of supporters went to the DNC headquarters in Washington to deliver petitions in support of the “People’s Platform” in response to the Democratic announcement of their plan for “A Better Deal.” The group was met by barricades as well as donuts and water that had been prepared for them by DNC staff as a token of goodwill. The barricades were protocol set up by the building’s security team, not party officials. Here are some of the sentences in which Turner used those words cited up above:
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In other words, it was all more of a childish temper tantrum than a thoughtful political message.
As a result of that little outburst from Turner, the media isn’t writing about what’s included in the People’s Platform as compared to the Democrat’s Better Deal. It’s all about yet another heated exchange from Sanders supporters directed at the Democratic Party.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who benefits from that: Republicans. Karl Rove noticed and is eagerly pointing out the rift.
I thought it would be helpful to do what Turner failed to do—compare and contrast the two agendas. The People’s Platform includes eight items. Here they are, with notations of similar proposals in A Better Deal:
1. Medicare for all –> Lower cost of prescription drugs
2. Free college tuition –> Lower cost of college and technical education
3. Worker’s rights ($15 minimum wage) –> Living wage minimum at $15/hr
4. Women’s rights (access to abortion) –> Not explicitly listed
5. Voting rights –> Not explicitly listed
6 Environmental justice –> Not explicitly listed
7. Criminal justice reform and immigrant rights –> Not explicitly listed
8. Taxing Wall Street –> Crack down on monopolies and end tax breaks for outsourcers
What we can see from this list is that it is actually the Democrats who haven’t included items like women’s rights, voting rights, criminal justice reform and environmental justice in their Better Deal. While the vast majority of Democrats support those issues, it is interesting to note that they were not included.
OzarkHillbilly
Whose Streets? review: searing film gives a voice to the people of Ferguson Coming to a DVD near you.
rikyrah
West Virginia’s governor pitches Trump on a coal bailout
08/11/17 08:40 AM
By Steve Benen
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice was a Republican, then became a Democrat, only to reverse course again last week to become a Republican again – though the timing of his decision seemed odd. At face value, he didn’t appear to have a reason to switch to the GOP so soon after winning statewide office as a Dem.
This week, however, the motivation seems a little clearer. The Washington Post reported:
Quinerly
@O. Felix Culpa:
Sweet write up on Tony’s daughter, Anne, in this month’s Santa Fean Magazine.??❤
Quinerly
@rikyrah:
Tail wags and meows right back to you!????
Shana
@rikyrah: I’ve said this before, but my dream is that this investigation takes until after the midterms when we take back the House, both Trump and Pence are impeached and we end up with President Pelosi. A girl can dream….
Back to Charlottesville, our older daughter – UVA law school grad – is heading down today for some training on how to handle large demonstrations from a legal perspective and then attending tomorrow’s demonstration and more importantly counterdemonstration. I hope she doesn’t get teargassed or anything worse, but am proud of her.
O. Felix Culpa
@Quinerly: Thanks! I’ll check it out.
O. Felix Culpa
@Shana:
Good for her and good for you in raising such a fine daughter! It’s heartening to see so many people getting engaged for the good, especially those with useful professional skills.
rikyrah
@Shana:
Bravo to her.
Marge feiner
@hellslittlestangel: C’ville has about 50,000 residents, the surrounding Albemarle county about the same and that doesn’t count UVA. It really is a small progressive little city in the middle of red Virginia. It hurts my heart that the haters are coming here.
glory b
@OzarkHillbilly: Yes, King James version FTW!
Iowa Old Lady
@Kay: I made that same argument on FB a couple of days ago. There is no Platonic version of a political party. It’s what it’s members and voters say and do. Trump is a Republican.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: I’m in agreement with most of the policies listed in the “People’s Platform,” but Turner seems like a drama llama. Saw a clip someone on Twitter posted last night of Turner’s speech at the “barricades” that allegedly shows how she was “disrespected” and explains the doughnut rage. Let’s just say that the Edmund Pettus Bridge incident, it was not. LeTourneau has it right — Turner makes it all about herself to the detriment of the issues she claims to care about.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker:
funny…that sounds an awful lot like Bernie Sanders and the whole “Sanders wing” as well.
Captain C
@Kay:
Don’t tell Hope Hicks. She’ll get jealous.