Friday Morning Open Thread: Because Those Sheets Would Never Be the Same

Poor little Charlottesville (so close to DC, so far from… the concrete canyon haunts of scary urban types, ifyouknowwhatimeanandithinkyoudo) is not looking forward to the weekend. Per the SPLC:

Hundreds of Alt-Right activists and white nationalist extremists are set to descend on the small community of Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday in what’s shaping up to be the largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the United States.

“Unite the Right” is expected to draw a broad spectrum of far-right extremist groups – from immigration foes to anti-Semitic bigots, neo-Confederates, Proud Boys, Patriot and militia types, outlaw bikers, swastika-wearing neo-Nazis, white nationalists and Ku Klux Klan members – all of whom seem emboldened by the Trump presidency…

Those Out’n’Proud racists better bring their RVs and camper tops, because I am happy to note that the local Airbnb is not sympathetic. Per the Washington Post:

As city leaders worked Monday trying to defuse an increasingly tense situation, the lodging rental company Airbnb quietly booted users who it believed were searching for lodging to attend the rally.

The company confirmed they had taken action in a statement to NBC29: “When through out background check processes or from input of our community we identify and determine that there are those who would be pursuing behavior on the platform that would be antithetical to the Airbnb Community Commitment, we seek to take appropriate action including, as in this case, removing them from the platform.”

That stance didn’t sit well with the rally’s organizer, Jason Kessler.

“This is outrageous and should be grounds for a lawsuit,” Kessler told The Washington Post on Monday night. “It’s the racial targeting of white people for their ethnic advocacy.”…

What a fragile snowflake. To quote my Orange-bred granny: Go boil yer head, it might be useful then [as cabbage soup].

Much more on the proposed rally and counter rallies here, here, and here — in the NYTimes:

[T]he rally’s leaders have complained in their social media posts of a “heckler’s veto,” saying that the counter-protests are effectively censoring their free speech rights.

“There is just an incredible amount of discrimination from the city government and other elements of the community to keep people from eating at the restaurants they want to eat at, to keep people from renting,” Mr. Kessler said. “There’s just an enormous amount of hostility.”

Asked if he was surprised by the pushback, he said, “I think that I’m surprised by the venom and rancor from some individuals. It’s a little over the top.”

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Apart from hoping the bigots are seized by a great confusion & fright causing them to turn on each other with the same rancor, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the week?

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    Baud says:

    in what’s shaping up to be the largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the United States.

    Larger than the Republican National Convention?

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    NobodySpecial says:

    Why can’t we have them all meet at some place with significant geological activity, like on the Madrid Fault?

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    Baud says:

    It’s so funny when my dog keeps glancing as the food to remind me where it is. Just in case I forgot. Because that has to be the only explanation.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    Poor little Charlottesville (so close to DC, so far from… the concrete canyon haunts of scary urban types …

    Huh? Charlottesville is a fairly large, and quite diverse, city.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Ouch.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    I find it amusing that these bigoted douchebags are complaining about discrimination and “oppression”.
    The problem with their whining is that they are receiving this treatment because of what they are doing, not for who/what they are. Isn’t that supposed to be the American Way? Judge a person by their actions and not by their appearance?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    I love how these pansy mf’ers whine about other people’s free speech drowning out theirs, and how some do not want to be associated with them in any way shape or form because they are WHITE! and WHITE! people are the most downtrodden ever and they are only standing up for WHITE! rights after all.

    WATBs.

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    Baud says:

    I assume this event is being called the Protest Against Economic Anxiety.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @NobodySpecial:
    I was thinking, Marianas Trench.

    The danger with this event is that some of those dingbats have been practicing and have formed units. I am afraid if things turn ugly they will be better prepared and better organized. It could tune into a bloodbath

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    @NorthLeft12: Exactly, we’re not judging them because their white, but because they’re douchebags.

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    Baud says:

    @NorthLeft12: I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of those businesses right to decline service any day now.

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: The most oppressed class of all.

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    @Baud:

    The most oppressed class of all.

    While IANAL(but did stay in Holiday Inn Express once), I believe that’s legally permissible.

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    M^4 linked to a page last night that they’re going to protest against Google because they restrict speech in the workplace(and apparently will fire people that lie about their credentials).

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That just proves how oppressed they are.

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of a Google’s right to terminate employment any day now.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning,Everyone 😄😄😄

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    When it was pointed out to Moore that his arguments on gay rights and morality were the same as those of the Russian leader, he replied: “Well, maybe Putin is right.” He added: “Maybe he’s more akin to me than I know.”

    Roy Moore folks, today’s GOP in a nutshell.

    ETA: In his interview with the Guardian, Moore repeated his belief that Trump was put in the White House by God. “Everybody else thinks it’s the Russians,” he said. “I think it was the providential hand of God.”

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    Nicole says:

    “There is just an incredible amount of discrimination from the city government and other elements of the community to keep people from eating at the restaurants they want to eat at, to keep people from renting,” Mr. Kessler said. “There’s just an enormous amount of hostility.”

    He’s shocked that a certain group of people would be not allowed to eat in restaurants and not allowed to stay in certain neighborhoods. Oh my God, the absolute lack of self-awareness…

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Now, if Moore were arguing that God put Trump in the White House to punish mankind, he might have something there …

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    @OzarkHillbilly: So is Putin God? And if God has a “Presidential Hand”; is the right or left hand? I’m very confused by this.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Nicole: And he is shocked, shocked I tell you, at the hostility and intolerance directed at raging assholes.

    Just…can’t…quite…wrap…their…tiny…little…minds…around…the…fact…that…their…rights…do…not…override…other….people’s…rights.

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    Baud says:

    The Democratic base is taking it from both sides.

    Centrist Democrats begin pushing back against Bernie Sanders, liberal wing

    As the party faces great expectations of big gains in the 2018 midterm elections, Democratic centrists are increasingly worried that the disproportionate share of attention shown to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and the agenda pushed by his anti-establishment allies will do more harm than good.

    That direction, the thinking goes, will energize liberals in places where Democrats are already winning by big margins. But it may drive away the voters needed to win inland races that will shape the House majority and determine which governors and state legislators are in charge of redrawing federal and state legislative districts early next decade.

    ……

    But some centrists fear that this populist message will be tuned out by heartland voters if it is accompanied by the party’s increasing embrace of staunch liberal positions on cultural matters, including abortion rights and transgender issues.
    ….

    Marshall and other Democrats fear that the populist tone is built around a negative message of casting blame, and lacks the optimistic tones around which Bill Clinton and Obama built their successful presidential bids.

    Combine that negative tone with what critics say is a cultural elitism among urban liberals on social issues, and the centrist wing feels that voters in the heartland simply do not embrace the Democratic message anymore.

    “The party’s gotten a little too comfortable with its urban and coastal strongholds,” Marshall said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/centrist-democrats-begin-pushing-back-against-bernie-sanders-liberal-wing/2017/08/10/6e1ea684-7d19-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html

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    @Nicole: Only time the city prevented me from eating in a restaurant is when the health department shut it down.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of your right to contract salmonella any day now.

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    @Baud: Oh gawd, that’s coming from Will Marshall? Not worth the paper that it’s written on.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Matthew 6:3- “But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:” You can find all the answers in the Bible, Bill. King James of course, none of this namby pamby New Living translation shit.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t know that name.

    I just pleased to see that both wings of the party have agreed to put aside their differences and come together to blame minorities and the gays for all their woes.

    Unity 2020!

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    trnc says:

    “It’s the racial targeting of white people for their ethnic advocacy.”…

    In other words, it’s the targeting of people doing actual racial targeting.

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    @Baud: He was a big McCain fan back in the day, I didn’t know he was a Democrat. I used to read his blog(back in my drinking daze), he’s pretty conservative.

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    satby says:

    @rikyrah: Good morning!
    I’m brining my son’s semi-feral cat in to be spayed in 1/2 an hour, and dreading the battle of trying to get her into the carrier. Because I’m allergic, wounds come with extra hives. Wish me luck.

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    Baud says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: To paraphrase SNL, I can’t believe I’m losing to these people.

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    satby says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I have a vague memory, was he the Bull Moose blog guy?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    So my youngest finally made the move to New Orleans. And guess what?

    With heavy rains forecast for Thursday, New Orleans is in a “vulnerable position” following a fire at one of the power stations that runs the city’s flood-control water pumps, its mayor has said. “We are at risk if we have a massive rain event,” Mitch Landrieu said at an emergency 3am press conference on Thursday. New Orleans is still reeling from a day-long deluge on Saturday that caused flooding in several city neighborhoods, with waist-high accumulations on streets in Mid-City, Lakeview and elsewhere.

    The fire at the power station early on Thursday further diminished the system’s capacity to drain stormwater, and a number of institutions, including most of the city’s schools, elected to close and brace for potentially crippling floods. Of the five turbine generators that power New Orleans’ water pumps, three were already down for maintenance, leaving the city with just one after the disruption. “The power we have available to us now will not be enough to pump the city out in the time needed,” Landrieu said.

    Glub glub glub….

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: I brine my chicken for 24 hours. How long does it take to brine a cat properly?

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    satby says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: huh, used to read him too way back when JC was a conservative and I read about 10 blogs every day. In my defense, I had to sit through a LOT of telecons.

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    satby says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: 😉
    Edited to add: she’s very sweet when she trusts you. I’m about to shatter that good.

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    bystander says:

    @NobodySpecial:

    Why can’t we have them all meet at some place with significant geological activity, like on the Madrid Fault?

    I was expecting objections from OzarkHillbilly, but he’s remained silent. So OK.

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    Mary says:

    @Baud: Now I am super confused about which side is supposed to be the centrist wing. I thought the centrists were the corporate whores who are good on identity politics and the leftists were the “economic concerns uber alles” crowd.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Feel good story of the day:

    Marvin Strombo was behind Japanese enemy lines on a Pacific island during World War II when he realized the other five men in his squad had moved on without him. The young U.S. Marine, part of an elite scout-sniper platoon fighting a 1944 battle on Saipan, nervously scanned the terrain. He spotted a body on the ground, a dead Japanese soldier lying on his left side. The young man looked peaceful, as if asleep, and something white poked out from his jacket.

    Strombo knelt and pulled out a silk flag, all the space around the bright red emperor’s sun filled with elegant calligraphy. He hesitated, then took the flag and scrambled to reunite with his squad as they entered the Japanese-held town of Garapan.

    More than 70 years later, Strombo is returning the Japanese flag to his fallen enemy’s family. The 93-year-old arrives Friday in Tokyo, the first stop in a 10,000-mile journey into the remote mountainside to bring the keepsake back to the man’s home village — back to a brother and two sisters who could never say goodbye.
    ……
    Strombo reached out to the Obon Society, a nonprofit in Oregon that helps U.S. veterans and their descendants return Japanese flags to the families of fallen soldiers. Within a week, researchers found it belonged to Yasue Sadao by reading the script on the flag. They traced the corporal to a tea-growing village of about 2,400 people in the mountains roughly 200 miles (340 kilometers) west of Tokyo.

    The calligraphy turned out to be the signatures of 180 friends and neighbors who saw Yasue off to war in Higashi Shirakawa, including 42 of his relatives. Seven of the original signatories are still alive, including Yasue’s 89-year-old brother and two sisters.

    When researchers contacted Yasue’s brother by phone, he asked if the person who had his brother’s flag was the same one who found it so many years ago, said Rex Ziak, who co-founded the Obon Society with his Japanese wife, Keiko. “There was just silence on the line and then he asked, ‘Do you imagine he knows how my brother died and where he died?'” Ziak recounted. “And that’s when we realized that this person is very much alive in that family and this mystery of what happened to him is very much alive.”

    Strombo is the only person who can provide those answers. He can roughly show where he found Yasue’s body on the outskirts of Garapan and can tell the siblings that their brother likely died of a concussion from a mortar round. “I knew he was young because I could see his profile as I bent over him. He was laying on his back, kind of on his left side,” he said.

    The Obon Society has returned about 125 flags and gets about five inquiries a day from aging soldiers who regret their actions and want to return the flags before they die. The group believes thousands of similar flags are likely hidden in attics across the U.S. that could give answers to countless other families. Strombo will be the first World War II veteran to return a flag in person to a Japanese family through the Obon Society.

    The trip is a journey of forgiveness and closure as he finishes the final chapter of his life. Only two other men in his platoon of 40 are still alive and he knows the humid islands where he fought for weeks are now a footnote in the war’s larger history. “It got so I kind of wanted to meet the family, you know,” he said, his voice growing raspy. “I know it means so much to them.”

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    TriassicSands says:

    I’m shocked. Out of respect for Donald Trump the North Koreans have named a short range missile after him. They probably chose the short range missile because Trump so obviously lacks stamina. The missile is called the Nodong. Perfect.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @bystander: I was going to mention that any place in OK is moree likely to end with injuries then the New Madrid fault zone. The New Madrid has been rather quiescent of late, where as OK is shaking like a leaf in a strong breeze.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @satby: no, that was Marshall Wittman. Same love of Lieberman and McCain, though.

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    Baud says:

    @Mary: We’re all post-Reconstructionists now.

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    Baud says:

    @TriassicSands: Damn. War is guaranteed.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Hope your kid can find high ground. I was there years ago & there was a deluge. With all the pumps working every intersection where I was (near the convention center at the time) and 2 feet of water standing even 20 minutes after the rain stopped. Tell them to be careful & not take chances

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    Baud says:

    @Bobby Thomson: I’m bad with names in real life. Remembering who’s who among the various pundits, bloggers, and other assorted thought leaders is nigh near impossible for me.

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    @Bobby Thomson: Ah, that’s right. (I did say there was drinking involved.)

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Baud:
    I’m there with you. I can’t keep names straight & even if I remember the name I get the association wrong.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    A part of your dog’s efforts at mind control. In the not so distant future, your first move in the morning will be to the food. And you won’t know why.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Baud:

    That really is the name of their short range missile, though obviously it wasn’t named after Trump. It reminds me of the Chevrolet naming problem — trying to sell the Nova in S. America. If you’re trying to be impressive while threatening a super power, choosing a name like Nodong is probably not the best idea.

    Of course, it is possible for someone to claim that we in the US also named one of our missiles after Trump, also with implications for Trump’s virility — the Minuteman. Again, no stamina.

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    debbie says:

    @satby:

    Whew! Finally figured out you meant “bringing,” not “brining”! Good luck with the cat!

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    With apologies to Warren Zevon;

    “I voted for the white guy……the way I always do.
    How was I to know…..he was with the Russians too?”

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    Oh look, I woke up and no one nuked anybody else over night. At least not that I know of yet. Win.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @Schlemazel: When we lived in Nola, we had a 30 minute downpour that overwhelmed the pumps. We were near enough to the river that our home was unaffected. As I understand it, the city is below sea level, except for the parts closest to the levee. So water flows toward the middle, where people can canoe after big rains.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Thanks for that. That is a very touching story and shows [at least to me] that sometimes it is never too late to provide comfort and healing.

    Everything I have read about the war in the Pacific highlighted the viciousness and hatred on both sides. Good to hear about people moving past those feelings.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Mary: This is what irritates me whenever people start talking about “left” vs. “centrist” Democrats. The Bernie wing wants the rest of the party to move left on some issues and right on others, and the whole point is to get white voters to whom it would be perceived as a move to the right (at the expense of the minority/LGBT/female base).

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    Ian G. says:

    This right here is why I’m confident we’re not Weimar Germany. The would-be Nazi street brawlers are spending their time whining about persecution at the hands of Airbnb.

    Note to the current crop of high school misfits. Joining the “alt-right” is a way to guarantee you remain a virgin into your thirties.

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    OldDave says:

    @bystander:

    … like on the Madrid Fault

    I’ll be driving in that area in about a week (eclipse!). Thanks, but no thanks. My asshole brain always likes to remind me of the fault when I’m on the bridge over the Mississippi River at Cape Girardeau. “Now would not be a good time” I tell myself.

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    Matt says:

    @Baud:

    But some centrists fear that this populist message will be tuned out by heartland voters if it is accompanied by the party’s increasing embrace of staunch liberal positions on cultural matters, including abortion rights and transgender issues.

    Dear Midwestern Democrats: if your participation in the party requires that it ignore “cultural issues” like “women have rights” and “transgender people exist”, GET FUCKED. Go play with the Trumpkins. The only people who are “obsessed” with these issues are your bigoted asses.

    Beyond sick of “centrist Democrats” who want brownie points for not being fascists but who’ll still gladly hate anybody their local preacher tells them to.

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    Kay says:

    Based on the one Right wing radio show I listen to sometimes in the car, Trumpsters aren’t mad at Trump for the failed Presidency- they’re mad at the people Trump hired. They REALLY don’t like Kelly Anne Conway- they talk about her like she’s a gold digger- which is gross all by itself because it puts her in some quasi “spouse” relationship with Trump.
    It’s perfect, really. He’s not even held accountable for his own presidency.
    They barely mention Democrats.
    If he isn’t being stabbed in the back by the people he hired he’s being stabbed in the back by the GOP Congress. None of it is his fault.

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    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I think that I’m surprised by the venom and rancor from some individuals

    Is the money quote. What is confusing the Hell out of him is that he’s getting widescale, angry pushback from WHITE people.

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    satby says:

    @debbie: ahhh, never saw the typo! Now Ozark’s joke makes sense! I blame a lack of coffee,only had 2 cups before I left. I was able to surprise her and pop her into the crate with no injuries to either of us. Warned the vet techs in unambiguous terms that she will be vicious because she’s feral and scared. They do the TNR for the feral cat advocates in this area though, so they’ll be able to handle her. But I expect to pay for my treachery for at least a month.

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    satby says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: yeah, I remember the blog, but had forgotten his name.

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    Chris says:

    @Baud:

    I’m confident Rand Paul will speak out in favor of a Google’s right to terminate employment any day now.

    It’s really mind-blowing that what, in any other context, would be the first thing on their minds – “corporate-Americans have an absolute right to fire troublesome employees! You’re not entitled to a job at Google!” is being completely ignored, and a job at Google is, suddenly, being treated like a constitutional right. Conservatives have spent the last forty years waging a scorched-earth campaign against any protection employees might possibly have against the danger of being fired at an employer’s whim, and apparently it really and truly never occurred to them that some of those employers might be liberal, some of those employees might be conservative, and accepting those firings was going to be the cost of doing business.

    Even if you agree with them that it’s horrible for this employee to be fired like this, and ignore everything he did to deserve the firing, they still have zero standing to bitch about this. This is the world they built.

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    germy says:

    Hundreds of Alt-Right activists and white nationalist extremists are set to descend on the small community of Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday in what’s shaping up to be the largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the United States.

    Well I'm sure once all the baby boomers die out, we'll be fine.

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    Baud says:

    @Matt: you do know that it’s not just the “centrists” carrying that message, right?

    @Kay: He is the Deplorable in Chief. They won’t turn on him unless he does something like fire Sessions. Which you’ll notice they backed away from talking about.

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    Starfish says:

    @NorthLeft12: This is their schtick now. Any accountability is discrimination. There are so many tears over the firing of the Google dude who wrote the memo on how all the diversity programs should be cut and replaced by something that he did not find discriminatory against people like him.

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    @Kay: It’s a cult of personality. “If only the fuhrer knew…”.

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    satby says:

    @Matt: you know, gay and transgender people live in the heartland too. One of the reasons these aren’t causing the groundswell of support for conservatives they expect is that many people know a family member or friend who is LGTB. Even in flyover country.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OldDave: A buddy of mine was driving across the Mississippi once right after a barge loaded with oil had hit an abutment, started leaking, then caught fire. The whole damn river was lit up, looked like Armageddon..

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    @Ian G.:
    I wish people would drop that argument. Growing up in the 80s, I had a good, up-close look at how ‘a man’s value is defined by his sexual conquests’ created our environment of toxic masculinity. Virgin shaming had a huge part in creating the attitude that women are for sex only, the anger about it, and the environment where even questioning the correctness of this paradigm was punishable or even unthinkable. “That loser can’t get laid” goes in a straight line to GamerGate.

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    satby says:

    And the morning tweets have started, and he’s getting more belligerent.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: I remember Will Marshall. He used to run a DLC front for Al From.

    Leave it to the DLC to spread Lieberman-like subversion.

    This is one of the reason I supported Obama – he rejected the dlc assholes and left them to Edwards.

    Drumpf is unprecedentedly shitting on his own senate leader so of course the political media runs dems in disarray article.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yep. “But I’m on your side!!!!!”

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    Baud says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Marshall may be a flake (I’ve just learned), but the article does mention a new group called the New Democrats, which includes people like Hickenlooper.

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    @Chris:
    Their standing is that the conservative base full-throatedly defended the right of companies to do whatever they wanted for two reasons. First, fuck what those n-loving liberals want. Second, THEY are being denied the right to oppress minorities and generally abuse others. They at least can get a kick out of watching the rich do it. This case serves neither purpose. It’s an entirely consistent attitude, they just have to use contradictory arguments because they weren’t comfortable outing their bigotry until now.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    It’s nice for them in a way. Ranting about “the establishment” is a convenient cover for the lousy job Trump’s doing. It explains everything- the lack of legislative accomplishments, the poor quality people he hires, how his organization is a chaotic mess filled with useless and excessive drama and no real work.

    What does Bannon do, exactly? Could we see his calendar? I saw that photo they scrubbed where he has some kind of whiteboard with a bunch of “ideas” on it. Is that his job? He writes ideas on that board with colored markers?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @satby: May I suggest sleeping with the door locked?

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    NotMax says:

    @satby

    *checks calendar*

    Yup. Today has a y in it.

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    OldDave says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    looked like Armageddon..

    I miss all the good ones. ;-) BTW, while in the St Louis area, I’ll also keep an eye out for stray drive shafts. I have a newfound respect for that sort of thing, having driven that stretch of I-55 many times (M-I-L lives in the Arnold – Festus area).

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    woodrowfan says:

    @hellslittlestangel: and a good 3 hours from DC in good traffic.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Is that his job? He writes ideas on that board with colored markers?

    My guess is that he only uses white markers.

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    @Kay:
    From what we’ve seen, three quarters of Trump’s cabinet, Trump himself, and almost all White House policy operate on that level.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    The election wasn’t about gays or culture.

    It was about shitting on mexicans and mooslims and those uppity people complaining about cops shooting blacks in the back.

    Have you noticed, since the election we never hear peep about isis or terrorism. And from the left we never hear a peep about droooonze.

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    Quinerly says:

    Big piece on Mike Pence. Well worth the time. Apologies if it has already been posted and discussed: https://newrepublic.com/article/144278/mike-pence-deep-state-trump-fears

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    Baud says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    The election wasn’t about gays or culture.

    It was to the extent the fundies were motivated by the Supreme Court seat. It just wasn’t talked about as much.

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    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:
    The press would also really, really prefer Democrats stop accusing the Republican Party of racism and agree it’s all economic anxiety. Why, they themselves agree that entitlements need to be rolled back, taxes should be lowered, the police were justified shooting that scary black guy, and Muslims are terrifying. Those CAN’T be racist attitudes!

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OldDave: Arnold/Festus? Watch out for all the Jeffco rednecks, far more dangerous than a stray driveshaft bouncing down the highway.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Well, I bought doughnuts for the office today. I was already planning to, but knowing I’m also striking a blow against my self-proclaimed true progressive betters makes them even sweeter.

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    Ciotog says:

    If they’re allowed to harass women seeking health treatments, we are allowed to heckle racists.

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    kindness says:

    re – the Right wing nut job rally…..Praying for a meteor. Sorry Charlottesville, you could have said no.

    I can imagine what a few surprise packs of firecrackers might bring.

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    Baud says:

    @kindness: How could they have said no?

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I tried to bring the Bernie people in after the election – once, I tried once with that one gathering- and it was a big flop. My new plan is “stay out of it and hope it all works out”. I don’t have to own the Democratic Party. I don’t know who defines it or are “the real” Democrats and I don’t care. I don’t even think of it like that. I think “the Democratic Party” is defined by the people who are either active members or people who vote for Democrats. I look at it the opposite of all these people- I think the actual composition of a group is what that group is. It isn’t theoretical to me.

    To me it’s like those conservatives who say Trump isn’t a conservative or isn’t a real Republican. Sure he is. They all backed him. They can’t claim an imaginary Republican Party or conservative “movement” outside the one that exists. If there are 100 million Republicans that make up the base then those people define what the base is. There is no other, better Republican Party outside of those people.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Bobby Thomson: I know, I used to get them confused. Ed Kilgore and Jonathan Chait used to be a part that ilk until they met Barack on the road to Damascus

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    Laura says:

    @Starfish: consequences, how do they work?
    Also, I’m with Matt, women”s rights are not negotiable and the willingness to give financial support to anti-choice candidates after all women have done, including saving the ACA and activating the resistance will have serious implications.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    The first in a 4 part series at the Guardian:

    Chokehold: a maneuver in which a person’s neck is tightly gripped in a way that restrains breathing. A person left in a chokehold for more than a few seconds can die.
    ……
    In 1976, Adolph Lyons, a 24-year-old black man, was pulled over by four Los Angeles police department officers for driving with a broken taillight. The cops exited their squad cars with their guns drawn, ordering Lyons to spread his legs and put his hands on top of his head.

    After Lyons was frisked, he put his hands down, causing one cop to grab Lyons’s hands and slam them against his head. Lyons had been holding his keys and he complained that he was in pain. The police officer tackled Lyons and placed him in a chokehold until he blacked out. When Lyons regained consciousness, he was lying facedown on the ground, had soiled his pants, and was spitting up blood and dirt. The cops gave him a traffic citation and sent him on his way.

    Lyons sued to make the LAPD stop putting people in chokeholds. He presented evidence that in recent years 16 people – including 12 black men – had died in LAPD custody after being placed in chokeholds. In City of Los Angeles v Lyons, the US supreme court denied his claim, holding that because Lyons could not prove that he would be subject to a chokehold in the future, he had no “personal stake in the outcome”. Dissenting from the court’s opinion, Thurgood Marshall, the first African American on the supreme court, wrote:

    “It is undisputed that chokeholds pose a high and unpredictable risk of serious injury or death. Chokeholds are intended to bring a subject under control by causing pain and rendering him unconscious. Depending on the position of the officer’s arm and the force applied, the victim’s voluntary or involuntary reaction, and his state of health, an officer may inadvertently crush the victim’s larynx, trachea, or hyoid. The result may be death caused by either cardiac arrest or asphyxiation. An LAPD officer described the reaction of a person to being choked as “do[ing] the chicken”, in reference apparently to the reactions of a chicken when its neck is wrung.”

    The work of police is to preserve law and order, including the racial order. Hillary Clinton once asked a room full of white people to imagine how they would feel if police and judges treated them the way African Americans are treated. If the police patrolled white communities with the same violence that they patrol poor black neighborhoods, there would be a revolution.

    The purpose of my book, Chokehold, is to inspire the same outrage about what the police do to African Americans, and the same revolution in response.

    A chokehold is a process of coercing submission that is self-reinforcing. A chokehold justifies additional pressure on the body because the body does not come into compliance, but the body cannot come into compliance because of the vise grip that is on it.

    This is the black experience in the United States. This is how the process of law and order pushes African American men into the criminal system. This is how the system is broke on purpose.

    Go read the rest.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Right. In the end, I just don’t think it makes sense to spend our time chasing groups that are playing hard to get.

    @Laura: FWIW, I think I read that the Dem policy on funding candidates hasn’t really changed. It just made the news recently for some reason.

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    @Quinerly:
    I don’t know. It’s not beyond Pence to stab Trump in the back. Everything I’ve seen matches Pence’s SOP, though. Repeat the safe conservative party dogma he’s been told to say, and wait for God to strike down Trump and make Pence the first true evangelical president as is his destiny.

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    Baud says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Hillary Clinton once asked a room full of white people to imagine how they would feel if police and judges treated them the way African Americans are treated.

    And it cost her the election.

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    @Laura:
    My understanding is that Democratic Party policy was that people who personally disapprove of abortion but think it’s the woman’s right to choose are fine. The only argument I’ve heard from the establishment sounded like that taken out of context in an attempt to ratfuck. Did I miss something?

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: I always felt fundies were really racists who were using religion to shield their bigotry. Look at they flocked to heathen Drumpf long before the cia smothered scalia.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I just want to win the governor’s race. There are several good D candidates- any one of them is fine with me. I’ll work with the Berniecrats , the centrists, whatever. The only person who has done anything concrete towards that here is LITERALLY a Republican. I suppose after this he can no longer call himself a Republican although I don’t care if he does. I no longer see the point of fighting to claim the mantle of the “real” Democratic Party.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @Kay:
    I’m to the point that I don’t even let right wingers use the term “conservative” (which I always quote) uncontested. Not another inch.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Baud: Oh, you know, that whole “Freedom of Assembly” is just so… 18th century.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Expect many “The Party Left Me” screeds from people who choose not to join your coalition.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t know who defines it or are “the real” Democrats and I don’t care.

    I’ve had this argument in other situations and the answer is always the same, “We, as in all of us, do.” which is another way of saying, “You don’t.”

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    The Bernie people turn me off with the “respect!” thing. That’s ego. Giving someone food doesn’t mean anything bad. It’s just a doughnut. I read one of them on Twitter the other day saying someone had to “bend a knee” to them. Oh, gross. Get over yourself. No one has to do anything and that isn’t how you talk about allies anyway. Get better at this. You’re horrible.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: Talk about not being real Democrats. We don’t respect anybody.

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    Baud says:

    Some good, take-it-with-a-grain-of-salt news from Vox.

    A new poll released Thursday by CNN puts Democrats within striking distance of taking back the House of Representatives, according to polling experts.

    We’re still 15 months until the 2018 midterms, but the “generic ballot” — which simply compares which party is more popular in general — finds Democrats 11 points ahead of Republicans. Forecasting models suggest that Democrats would pick up at least 34 House seats if that number holds; they need to flip 24 seats to take it back.

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    Baud says:

    More from Vox. Of particular interest to Kay.

    Now that the Affordable Care Act seems likely to survive the Republican effort to repeal and replace it (for now), many liberals are mobilizing around the idea of a “single-payer” insurance system, built off Medicare, the federal program that now covers the aged and disabled. Among the liberal luminaries who have signed on or expressed support are US Sens. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris.

    I have a better idea: Medicaid for more! Contrary to the rhetoric on Capitol Hill, Medicaid, not Medicare — or, for that matter, the ACA exchanges — offers the most plausible path to an American version of affordable universal coverage.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    The racial aspects of the “Trump Democrats” are WAY underplayed. I didn’t get it at first but once you do you can’t unsee it.

    Trump IS actually one of them. His whole political career is premised on hating Obama and the launch with birtherism was no goddammned accident. Donald Trump was sitting on his fat ass somewhere in 2011 and the black guy as President enraged him. 2012 must have sent him into orbit. I wouldn’t have predicted that a NYC real estate developer would be the leader of a political “movement” that is wholly grounded in racial resentment but that’s what happened. In the movie version it would be someone from Alabama. But the idea that we transcend race in cities or northern states was always bullshit anyway.

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    Quinerly says:

    For a change of pace from our local NPR station (yes, I know) an incredibly interesting segment on an ex slave who might be made a saint. His mother had been gifted to new owners as a wedding present: http://news.stlpublicradio.org.....t#stream/0

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    But the idea that we transcend race in cities or northern states was always bullshit anyway.

    It is, but to be fair, they uniformly voted against him.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: Bernie’s new slogan for 2020: “Fuck Your Feelings”

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    Quinerly says:

    I had forgotten the name Mario Woods. Here’s his story as told by his sweet mom. He was shot 21 times by San Francisco police. Only one shot through the front if I’m correctly recalling this segment from earlier this week. There’s a companion article in last Sunday’s “California Sunday:” https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-09/year-after-police-killed-her-son-mother-vows-march-forward

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    @Baud: Thanks Baud. We know a couple that used to live in Dayton, Ohio before they moved to Connecticut about 10 years ago. The examples of open and blatant racism they faced were jaw dropping. The wife was husband kitteh’s neighbor while growing up in Mumbai.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Starfish: Yes, the Google Manifesto dude became a big deal in Canada too. A number of stories in major media complaining about how PC was more important than “science”. As if there is some kind of “scientific” proof that males are inherently superior in tech and leadership roles.
    I believe it is easy to point to an Everest of anecdotal evidence that men are not superior leaders, and that if the criteria being used to evaluate leaders is biased for men, then perhaps the whole idea of what constitutes an effective leader needs a major reset.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Baud: Those generic-ballot polls are all over the place and seem to be kind of bimodal: CNN and PPP’s polls show bigger margins, YouGov/Economist and Politico/Morning Consult consistently show a much smaller one, only about 5 points. It’s hard to say what’s going on, partly because this question is just underpolled.

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    @Matt McIrvin:
    The results of special elections suggest all of those polls underestimate the increased motivation of Democratic voters. The ones we lost were in districts so safe no one dreamed they would be close races. The jump was ridiculous, like 15 to 20 points. Democrats, and even Democrat leaners, are PISSED. I hope that holds up.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    I assume this event is being called the Protest Against Economic Anxiety.

    Kapow

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    who the phuck is Marshall?

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    rikyrah says:

    @satby:

    good luck, satby :)

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    rikyrah says:

    @Matt:

    Dear Midwestern Democrats: if your participation in the party requires that it ignore “cultural issues” like “women have rights” and “transgender people exist”, GET FUCKED. Go play with the Trumpkins. The only people who are “obsessed” with these issues are your bigoted asses.

    I hear you.
    I am a Midwestern Democrat, but I think I have too much melanin for some folks who think my concerns are ‘ identity politics’.
    I will continue to say this..

    Those of us who are the ACTUAL BASE of the party are just sitting on our porches..we are watching…and our switches are sitting right next to us..
    NOBODY is playing with you. Try us if you want.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Based on the one Right wing radio show I listen to sometimes in the car, Trumpsters aren’t mad at Trump for the failed Presidency- they’re mad at the people Trump hired. They REALLY don’t like Kelly Anne Conway- they talk about her like she’s a gold digger- which is gross all by itself because it puts her in some quasi “spouse” relationship with Trump.
    It’s perfect, really. He’s not even held accountable for his own presidency.
    They barely mention Democrats.
    If he isn’t being stabbed in the back by the people he hired he’s being stabbed in the back by the GOP Congress. None of it is his fault.

    The curve for unqualified White men is REAL.
    They will do whatever to justify their vote for him, because, as you have pointed out so many times Kay…their vote for him completely displays THEIR LACK OF CHARACTER.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    And, it’s finally settled in on them that those of us on this side:
    1. Don’t respect Dolt45
    2. Have no intention of respecting Dolt45
    3. Look at his voters side eyed because we have no respect for you BECAUSE of your vote.

    They really thought that they could bully us into submission. They’re seeing that’s not working.
    I don’t think that they understand how much has changed. Don’t think that they’ve accepted how much has changed – on our side towards THEM.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Fuck the “alt-right”, or, as they should be called, Nazis.

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    rikyrah says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Have you noticed, since the election we never hear peep about isis or terrorism. And from the left we never hear a peep about droooonze.

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:

    Good morning to Poco, Ivan and John Lennon:)

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @NorthLeft12:

    then perhaps the whole idea of what constitutes an effective leader needs a major reset.

    With trump as President I can only say, “Well, DUH!”

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    Good morning! I’m finishing my cup of coffee and the dogs are taking their postprandial nap. Have to run a bunch of errands and take care of various organizations’ treasurer tasks before packing to visit sisters and go camping in Colorado. Rain is predicted all week, of course.

    I second Iowa Old Lady’s comment at #56 (thank FSM we didn’t elect warmonger Hillary):

    Oh look, I woke up and no one nuked anybody else over night. At least not that I know of yet. Win.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Quinerly:

    I will continue to say this..
    1. Pence is up to his eyeballs in the Flynn mess
    2. The thought that Dolt45 will go down WITHOUT dragging PENCE with him?
    Delusional on Pence’s part. Dolt45 will NEVER take one for the team. And, if he’s going down..EVERYBODY IS.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @rikyrah:

    Those of us who are the ACTUAL BASE of the party are just sitting on our porches..we are watching

    Yes. As a former midwestern Democrat who now lives in Ben Ray Lujan’s district (and who worked for his reelection in 2016), I called his office and gave them an earful about his waffling on women’s rights. It’s clear they had many such calls. I’m so old that I remember when women’s rights were human rights. The Democratic party better not backtrack on this principle just to win *economically anxious* voters…who probably wouldn’t vote Democratic anyhow.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    The racial aspects of the “Trump Democrats” are WAY underplayed. I didn’t get it at first but once you do you can’t unsee it.

    Trump IS actually one of them. His whole political career is premised on hating Obama and the launch with birtherism was no goddammned accident. Donald Trump was sitting on his fat ass somewhere in 2011 and the black guy as President enraged him. 2012 must have sent him into orbit.

    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    Economic anxiety my behind.

    The non-Whites of this country knew, from the word GO, what ‘ MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN’ – meant.
    We were clear.
    Which is why, from our side of things….voting for Dolt45 SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER.

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    rikyrah says:

    Message Failure From Nina Turner and Our Revolution
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    August 10, 2017

    Nina Turner, president of Our Revolution (the advocacy group formed by Bernie Sanders), used some words to describe the Democratic National Committee, as Buzzfeed first reported: “Dictatorial.” “Arrogant.” “Pompous.” “Superficial.” “Tone-deaf.” “Tone-dead.” “Out of line.” “Insulting” — “absolutely insulting.”

    What brought that on? Turner and a group of supporters went to the DNC headquarters in Washington to deliver petitions in support of the “People’s Platform” in response to the Democratic announcement of their plan for “A Better Deal.” The group was met by barricades as well as donuts and water that had been prepared for them by DNC staff as a token of goodwill. The barricades were protocol set up by the building’s security team, not party officials. Here are some of the sentences in which Turner used those words cited up above:

    ……………………………………………………….

    In other words, it was all more of a childish temper tantrum than a thoughtful political message.

    As a result of that little outburst from Turner, the media isn’t writing about what’s included in the People’s Platform as compared to the Democrat’s Better Deal. It’s all about yet another heated exchange from Sanders supporters directed at the Democratic Party.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who benefits from that: Republicans. Karl Rove noticed and is eagerly pointing out the rift.

    I thought it would be helpful to do what Turner failed to do—compare and contrast the two agendas. The People’s Platform includes eight items. Here they are, with notations of similar proposals in A Better Deal:

    1. Medicare for all –> Lower cost of prescription drugs
    2. Free college tuition –> Lower cost of college and technical education
    3. Worker’s rights ($15 minimum wage) –> Living wage minimum at $15/hr
    4. Women’s rights (access to abortion) –> Not explicitly listed
    5. Voting rights –> Not explicitly listed
    6 Environmental justice –> Not explicitly listed
    7. Criminal justice reform and immigrant rights –> Not explicitly listed
    8. Taxing Wall Street –> Crack down on monopolies and end tax breaks for outsourcers

    What we can see from this list is that it is actually the Democrats who haven’t included items like women’s rights, voting rights, criminal justice reform and environmental justice in their Better Deal. While the vast majority of Democrats support those issues, it is interesting to note that they were not included.

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    rikyrah says:

    West Virginia’s governor pitches Trump on a coal bailout
    08/11/17 08:40 AM
    By Steve Benen

    West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice was a Republican, then became a Democrat, only to reverse course again last week to become a Republican again – though the timing of his decision seemed odd. At face value, he didn’t appear to have a reason to switch to the GOP so soon after winning statewide office as a Dem.

    This week, however, the motivation seems a little clearer. The Washington Post reported:

    Jim Justice, the born-again Republican governor of West Virginia, is floating a federal proposal to bail out the struggling Appalachian coal industry at a cost to taxpayers of up to $4.5 billion a year.

    As Justice described it to the Wall Street Journal, under the proposal, the federal government would pay out $15 to eastern power companies for each ton of Appalachian coal they purchase.

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    Quinerly says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    Sweet write up on Tony’s daughter, Anne, in this month’s Santa Fean Magazine.💚💜❤

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    Quinerly says:

    @rikyrah:
    Tail wags and meows right back to you!🐾🐾🐾🐾

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    Shana says:

    @rikyrah: I’ve said this before, but my dream is that this investigation takes until after the midterms when we take back the House, both Trump and Pence are impeached and we end up with President Pelosi. A girl can dream….

    Back to Charlottesville, our older daughter – UVA law school grad – is heading down today for some training on how to handle large demonstrations from a legal perspective and then attending tomorrow’s demonstration and more importantly counterdemonstration. I hope she doesn’t get teargassed or anything worse, but am proud of her.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Quinerly: Thanks! I’ll check it out.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Shana:

    Back to Charlottesville, our older daughter – UVA law school grad – is heading down today for some training on how to handle large demonstrations from a legal perspective and then attending tomorrow’s demonstration and more importantly counterdemonstration. I hope she doesn’t get teargassed or anything worse, but am proud of her.

    Good for her and good for you in raising such a fine daughter! It’s heartening to see so many people getting engaged for the good, especially those with useful professional skills.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Shana:

    Back to Charlottesville, our older daughter – UVA law school grad – is heading down today for some training on how to handle large demonstrations from a legal perspective and then attending tomorrow’s demonstration and more importantly counterdemonstration. I hope she doesn’t get teargassed or anything worse, but am proud of her

    Bravo to her.

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    Marge feiner says:

    @hellslittlestangel: C’ville has about 50,000 residents, the surrounding Albemarle county about the same and that doesn’t count UVA. It really is a small progressive little city in the middle of red Virginia. It hurts my heart that the haters are coming here.

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    glory b says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yes, King James version FTW!

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    @Kay: I made that same argument on FB a couple of days ago. There is no Platonic version of a political party. It’s what it’s members and voters say and do. Trump is a Republican.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @rikyrah: I’m in agreement with most of the policies listed in the “People’s Platform,” but Turner seems like a drama llama. Saw a clip someone on Twitter posted last night of Turner’s speech at the “barricades” that allegedly shows how she was “disrespected” and explains the doughnut rage. Let’s just say that the Edmund Pettus Bridge incident, it was not. LeTourneau has it right — Turner makes it all about herself to the detriment of the issues she claims to care about.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Turner makes it all about herself to the detriment of the issues she claims to care about.

    funny…that sounds an awful lot like Bernie Sanders and the whole “Sanders wing” as well.

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    Captain C says:

    @Kay:

    They REALLY don’t like Kelly Anne Conway- they talk about her like she’s a gold digger- which is gross all by itself because it puts her in some quasi “spouse” relationship with Trump.

    Don’t tell Hope Hicks. She’ll get jealous.

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