“Fourteen Words” from Trump in Poland

Following up on Betty’s earlier post… when you type “fourteen words” into Google, here’s the Wikipedia entry at the top of the responses:

Fourteen Words, or simply 14, is a reference to a white supremacist slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

Now, the original is from Palin’s official Twitter feed, but it’s not initialed, so presumably she didn’t write it herself. Quite possibly she doesn’t even know how piercing a white-supremacist dogwhistle that ‘fourteen words’ phrasing can be. But you’re not gonna convince me that the wanna-be supremacists (cough*Stephen Miller*cough*) who wrote that speech for Trump didn’t know how it would be interpreted — by “God Emperor Trump”‘s Reddit fans, if not the morans doing racetrack-tout journamalism for America’s Least Productive News Media…


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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    We have reached peak fascist. Or have we?

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    Roger Moore says:

    Somebody took a look at Palin’s post, and it looks as if that’s what you get if you click the “share on Twitter” link on the Young Cons website. The article itself doesn’t mention anything about 14 words; it only shows up when you share a link to the article.

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    MikeBoyScout says:

    Triumph of the Will encore delivered in Poland.
    It’s really that simple

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    Mike J says:

    On Facebook if you hit the tweet this button on the article Palin linked it, it added the “14 words” text that looks like it came from her.

    Which is no excuse. If you tweet it under your name, you’re responsible for what it says, even if the white supremacists who wrote it used a phrase you weren’t familiar with.

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    jl says:

    Did Cillizza read the damn speech.?
    It’s a mish mash of prettified low rent authoritarian and bigot dog whistles.

    What Pat Buchanan would like to pull off, but can’t.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    We have reached peak fascist. Or have we?

    When the Republican hordes man the barricades against the angry people of color denied their votes, we will have reached peak fascist.

    So two Friedman units, give or take.

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    Honest to god, do people really “listen” to Trump’s speeches like they make sense or contain policy or might inform or inspire us? It’s gibberish all the way down.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Roger Moore: @Mike J: So…someone coded it so that tweets or Facebook shares would include those words? Doesn’t seem accidental.

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    Mike J says:

    @Yarrow: Absolutely not accidental. Especially since there aren’t any 14 word phrases in the speech.

    It still doesn’t let Palin off the hook. She tweeted it, even if she didn’t write it. You shouldn’t deliver a speech or tweet if you don’t understand it, so we should assume she does and stands by it.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Settle down, neoliberal corporatist shills. One of the 14 words is “secure”. It’s just a slogan used to express one’s economic insecurity.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: 1939 calling for you on line 1.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Peak Fascist? “You ain’t seen nothing yet.” — Al Jolson

    (If you guessed Bachman-Turner Overdrive, lose one turn.)

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    Hildebrand says:

    Cillizza is the human embodiment of click-bait – he oozes in whatever direction will get him the most looks.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Mike J: She doesn’t have much of anything to do with any of her Facebook posts or tweets. She’s got other people doing them. Still her responsibility. She just can’t be bothered even to write a Facebook post or tweet.

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    Wow, the all caps on that Trump tweet are fucking terrifying.

    I’ll stick to drawing ghosts and vampires instead of reading his speech.

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    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho says:

    @MikeBoyScout: Pretty much. As evidenced by the tweet…
    @Major Major Major Major:

    Wow, the all caps on that Trump tweet are fucking terrifying.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Honest to god, do people really “listen” to Trump’s speeches like they make sense or contain policy or might inform or inspire us? It’s gibberish all the way down.

    Feel the same way. It’s not as if anything he says means anything anyway. He’ll read someone else’s speech from the teleprompter and then say or do whatever pops in his head later. There’s no there there. The rest of the world is figuring that out and the longer he’s in the office the more he’ll destroy our standing and role in the world. They work around us and we’ll be isolated from our allies. Putin’s plan is working out great for him.

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:
    No. A Republican presidential candidate (hopefully he won’t get elected) has to use the n-word while promising to exterminate blacks like the animals he thinks they are, before we’re even close.

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    @Hungry Joe: Off the 405 freeway here in LA, on the way to LAX there’s a cemetery that has a cascade flowing down a hill with a colonnade at the top. I’ve seen it since I was a young child, never knew what it was until a few months ago; it’s the Al Jolson memorial. BTW Andrew Breitbart is also buried in that cemetery.

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    @Frankensteinbeck: even then it won’t be peak fascist until they execute somebody during a debate.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Trump on line 2: “Pussies, Hold my Beer!”

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    Roger Moore says:


    Doesn’t seem accidental.

    Absolutely not. But it does mean that people who just clicked the share button may have been sending out messages beyond what they intended.

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    Keith P. says:

    It’s getting to be a hell of a lot of work to flip between MSNBC and CNN to try to avoid watching a 90s retrospective.

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    dmsilev says:


    Did Cillizza read the damn speech.?

    Like apes and philosophy, pundits read these speeches but don’t (or refuse to) understand them.

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    The bit about “the south and east” was so frigging obvious.

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    Can someone translate the word salad with all caps?

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    hueyplong says:

    Trump’s pivot toward maturity and emerging thoughtfulness on socio-political issues really comes through in the portion of the speech in which he considers the freedom that comes from work, a work that makes one free.

    –C Cillizza

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    eclare says:

    @dmsilev: Hahaha….love that movie.

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    Roger Moore says:


    Can someone translate the word salad with all caps?

    I think it translates roughly to “Whites will always beat the filthy wogs”.

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    jl says:

    Triumph of the Shill, or Triumph of the Swill?
    Can’t decide which fits better.

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    @schrodingers_cat: roughly, “Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Khan hat Millionen Frauen und Kinder in den Tod gejagt, bewußt und fröhlichen Herzens. Die Geschichte sieht in ihm nur den großen Staatengründer. Was die schwache westeuropäische Zivilisation über mich behauptet, ist gleichgültig. Ich habe den Befehl gegeben – und ich lasse jeden füsilieren, der auch nur ein Wort der Kritik äußert – daß das Kriegsziel nicht im Erreichen von bestimmten Linien, sondern in der physischen Vernichtung des Gegners besteht. So habe ich, einstweilen nur im Osten, meine Totenkopfverbände bereitgestellt mit dem Befehl, unbarmherzig und mitleidslos Mann, Weib und Kind polnischer Abstammung und Sprache in den Tod zu schicken. Nur so gewinnen wir den Lebensraum, den wir brauchen. Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?”

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Steve Bannon did a movie


    Also, turns out Steve is in legal trouble himself.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Mussolini never had concentration camps, to my knowledge. He even made fun of Hitler for anti-Semitic policies.

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    @Roger Moore: I got the gist, I want a literal translation:
    who is this we
    what is the west
    Our civilization, meaning what?

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    @Major Major Major Major: Molly Ivins was right, it does sound better in the original German.

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    jl says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Nietzsche was right. Germans could only offer paws when hands were needed for the finer points of European culture.

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    @schrodingers_cat: this wasn’t on the citizenship test?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Roger Moore: Never forget. “The wogs begin at Calais.”

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    @Major Major Major Major: It wasn’t a test to join the Third Reich.

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    TenguPhule says:


    Can someone translate the word salad with all caps?

    “Kill the Darkies!”


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    TenguPhule says:


    It wasn’t a test to join the Third Reich.

    You got the old test then. The new test will be a bit different.

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    stinger says:

    I had a heart-stopping moment when I thought all the people in the embedded video were giving Trump the Nazi salute. Then I realized they might be taking cell phone pics. Still, he did have a bunch of supporters bused in, so it could be the salute. That is certainly a very WHITE crowd.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: @Mike J: Here’s the explanation from the group that made the post she was referring to:

    Following publication of this article, Young Conservatives CEO Josh Riddle sent the following statement to The Daily Beast:

    “This is the 14-word quote the social media post is referencing: ‘Let us all fight like the Poles. For family, freedom, for country, for God.’
    “About 2 minutes of research would have revealed how there is a long history of our site (and countless others) using word counts in social media headlines. To jump to the conclusion in your article is slanderous, dishonest, lazy, and very unprofessional and harmful to our business.”

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    Roger Moore says:


    who is this we
    what is the west
    Our civilization, meaning what?

    “We”, “The West”, and “Our civilization” all mean white people. Exactly what classifies as white is left slightly, and deliberately, vague in the hopes that some people who Trump and Bannon don’t consider to be white can be fooled into going along until it’s too late.

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    jl says:

    Brings my thoughts to the timeless monuments to Western Culture.

    The West is the best, of course, of course,
    And no one can Best the West of course
    That is, of course, unless the best is the famous Mr. Trump

    Go right to the West and ask the best
    He’ll give you the pitch and you’ll invest
    He’s always sending the very best.
    Talk to Mr. Trump

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: What did he do now?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    That’s weak enough sauce even my bullshit detector is in full alarm.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: But he did, when pushed by Hitler, go along with the NAZI policies regarding Jews. A reluctant racist fascist is still a racist fascist.

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    divF says:

    Every time I see someone on this blog mention “Wilmer”, I hear in my head “Wilbur” in Mr. Ed’s voice.

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    @Roger Moore: So if all Europeans or those with their ancestral origin in Europe are one civilization, then the last 500 or so years of European history including the world wars, were just a figment of my imagination, right?

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    Mike J says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Bulls hit. You guys cons mean that it to get attention and Palin is responsible for everything that goes out u Der her name.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Traditionally the reference to the West meant fall into two different categories. The first refers to liberal democratic states and societies that are ultimately rooted in (European) Enlightenment values. So this includes Australia and New Zealand, which are not geographically in the West, but excludes Russia which never had/included itself in the Enlightenment.

    The second is rooted in an ethno-national and ethno-Christian concept. Specifically white Christian states and societies are the West. While this is a much narrower understanding, it does include Russia.

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    jl says:

    @Roger Moore: Naw man, that was great. I’m entering that into the famous annual ‘Best 72 Words of Bullshit’ contest.

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    NCSteve says:

    I have come to realize an astonishing thing. When Cillizza was at WaPo, there were people assigned to the job of making what he wrote less banal, less superficial, less stupid, less purely the essence of the descent into trivia, banality and sportscasting that have been such a critical part of bringing our nation to the low place in which it finds itself today.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: I am merely the messenger…

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    Roger Moore says:

    I never said this stuff has any relationship to history or reality; it’s a line of bullshit designed to keep the racist rubes in line.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: As with Roger, my bullshit detector is going bananas.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mike J: 1) I’m merely providing the news reporting, I’m not saying you should accept the explanation, nor that I am. 2) As someone who makes his fair share of typos and, as a result, don’t do the pedant thing, would you please be so kind as to translate the second half of your comment into English for me because I have no idea what you’re saying. Thanks.

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    Waspuppet says:

    @Roger Moore: Exactly. Because, no offense to any of our friends from Russia and Poland, but since when did those countries ( especially Russia) become part of the West?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Given that the Right hates the Enlightenment with every fiber of its being, we see the problem here.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I am not suggesting you accept the explanation. Given who actually wrote it for that group, a Breitbart writer with quite the special oeuvre, I’m not buying it either.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I guess my point was he didn’t start out that way.

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    Jeffro says:

    Bigger picture: after today’s fake meeting with Putin, where Putin was “pressed” about hacking, denied it to Trumpov’s satisfaction, and now we’re talking about a joint cyber-hacking-whatever commission with the very people who not only hacked our election but ARE HACKING OUR NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, EVEN TODAY…it is long past time to switch from hating on the Orange Moron to putting serious pressure on GOP elected officials.

    Post Labor Day, of course, as we don’t want to “roll out new products in August” (FU Andy Card)

    There are multiple reasons why we need to do this, and do it quickly. We need GOP members of Congress…even if it’s just a few…to support the continued investigations into Russia’s attack on our country (especially if Trumpov starts thinking about firing Mueller, or Rosenstein and then Mueller). We have got to get them to step up and hold the line on this AHCA/BCRA nonsense. We need those GOP MoCs to start thinking about the 2018 elections. We need to push on them as the lackeys for “Dark Money” billionaires (and possible Putin enablers) that they are.

    I think we need to start thinking about a shift towards broader appeals and media strategies. Just pounding Congress with calls is wearing thin on both sides. They’re finding ways to not hold/attend town halls. Instead of marching on DC, we might need some broader, smaller demonstrations out in each red district…a more widely distributed “March For Shame”, as it were. Ways to point out that just six short months ago…all was going pretty well here. Six months ago, we didn’t have to worry about our president being a pawn of a murdering dictator. Or try to make sense of his tweet-gibberish. Or worry about 22 million people losing health care. And on and on. Enough is enough. We’re all in this abusive relationship and since setting fire to the bed is out of the question, we ought to start to think about who can bring this clown to heel…at least, long enough for justice to prevail.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yep.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Waspuppet: The Russians, a century ago, were desperately trying to make themselves part of “the West”, especially after their humiliation by the Japanese in 1905. Then the Revolution came and they invented some crazy fusion of Marxism and what Peter the Great invented.

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    Yarrow says:


    Can someone translate the word salad with all caps?

    Or maybe, САЛАТ.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Trigger warning next time on a link like that, please. Seeing someone get run over by a tank wasn’t on my list of things to do tonight…


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    jl says:

    I think all ‘The West’ stuff is bullshit. You’re a white big shot and you see some white guys hanging around, and you think they might be helpful, they get a pass into the club. Or you got some white bigots that you need to con. It’s all tribalist power politics BS.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: No, but you were the one who posted it (so it seems to come back to you), and yes, the statement by the “conservative” is a tour-de-force of bullshit.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Not that Mussolini Wasn’t a racist (see Ethiopia, Libya, and his opinions on people living in the Balkans.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Let us know when you’re ready for a new shovel.//

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    jl says:

    @Jeffro: I agree. Important to start putting heavy pressure on state and local governments, who run the elections. And no reason to wait. People should be contacting state governments about the Trumpsters’ bogus voter fraud commission.

    Your state government should publicly protest the bogus commission. Not turn over any data voluntarily.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I corrected myself. Why would I be “digging a hole”?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Its hard to tell over the Cyber

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Roger Moore: “When I spoke of a final solution to the Jewish problem, I didn’t think that people would presume that I was proposing some kind of holocaust.”

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    @Adam L Silverman: I was aware of the first definition and was curious how Poland and our new overlords fit into that.
    Where does Miller fit into all this, because fans of the second line of thinking, the Putin fans, most certainly do not include Jewish people in the “us”. I had a student of Polish descent, who would see a Jewish conspiracy (from grocery store items to the class he was failing) in everything. It was extremely tiresome.

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    eclare says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I took one class in college about European history/philosophy, and it fell firmly into the first camp. I have never considered Russia as west, but then I am old enough to remember the USSR and CCCP.

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    AndoChronic says:

    Be sure to dick punch a fucking Republican at your earliest convenience this weekend. Is that “14 words” enough?

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    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: Adam is almost always teasing in my experience unless he’s speaking ex cathedra.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Mussolini was happy to implement Nuremberg Laws in Italy, but he balked at actually deporting people. While Mussolini was in power, it was common for Italian soldiers to stop the concentration camp trains at the border and free the Jews inside.

    Once the Nazis overthrew Mussolini, the deportations went into overdrive, though.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Poland has, through its history, made a number of attempts to be of the “West.” Swedes, Russians, Prussians, and others have made it very hard for them to do so for any sustained period of time.

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    jl says:

    A lot of this stuff is dog whistles. Really hard to tell how much Trump understands it, or means it, or cares. But that doesn’t make any difference, Many of Trump’s flunkies and their supporters, who do understand, are counting on my favorite West African Pidgin saying, rendered into overly explicit and formal English: Cows don’t understand the meaning of the whistle that herds them into the slaughterhouse.

    Bif for the killhouse, no ken de whistle.

    Edit: point being, that understanding these dogwhistles, that some want to dismiss, is very important.

    Edit: thing with Trump though, is, how much does he understand, or mean, or care about anything? So, that doesn’t excuse him.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷:

    As referenced above, Mussolini was happy to oppress Italian Jews in the name of “racial purity,” but he had some standards when it came to actually deporting people.

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    catbirdman says:

    Pretty sure that “science” is typically thought of as part of the foundation of “Western Culture.” Except when we’re talking in dog-whistles, that is.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @catbirdman: If we are talking of Western Culture as an off-shoot of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, then you are bang-on.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) 🗳 🌷: I’m sorry. I will tell the 400 lbs guy in New Jersey to knock it off.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Michele Bachmann once said that the Renaissance was “a mistake”. I leave it to your imagination as to what she thinks of the Enlightenment. I know that Pat Robertson doesn’t like it at all.

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    Hal says:

    Trump Gives Speech to the People of Poland, Says 14 Words That Leave Americans Stunned http://

    I can’t get over how click baity this line is. Trump does something so unimaginable, your dick will explode!! You won’t believe what this former Alaska Governor said when she found out even she is too unqualified to be in the Trump administration!!

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m late, but . . .

    Our civilization, meaning what?

    Exactly what you think it means: white, nominally Christian capitalists, preferably male.

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    jl says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Except for the TV machine, post office system, personal checks and money orders and associated banking system. Those godless innovations stemming from the Enlightenment are OK.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Miller has a completely self developed case of something akin to Stockholm syndrome. For whatever reason he developed a set of grievances when he was 15 in the wake of 9-11. Grievances that can only be resolved through white supremacy and white nationalism. So that’s how he has subjectively identified. One of his mentors in high school, who had him on his talk radio show a lot, is an African American man with the same grievances and subjective identification. His other major mentor, David Horowitz, is the same way.

    As Hannah Arendt’s cutting remark about Leo Straus and the NAZIs comes to mind: “he wanted to be join a party which would not have him because he was a Jew”.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @jl: Well, you know, like what have the Romans ever done for us?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Drunkenhausfrau: 40, 41, whatever it takes…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @eclare: Yep.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I am sitting down…

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    RobNYNY says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Yes, I had a Lithuanian client who said that the Nazis treated Lithuanians quite well during WWII. When I pointed out that the Nazis murdered over 200,000 Litvak Jews, almost the entire community, he explained that they were not “Lithuanians.”

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    As Hannah Arendt’s cutting remark about Leo Straus and the NAZIs comes to mind: “he wanted to be join a party which would not have him because he was a Jew”.

    This is the famed Groucho Contrapositive, of course.

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    Steeplejack says:

    Interesting that the Chyron for that Fox video clip above says “POTUS: West saved by blood of patriarchs.” The transcript of Trump’s speech says “patriots.” Did he change the wording or did Fox get it wrong? In either case, it’s a weird substitution. I would think that the alt-right would flinch at the word patriarch and hear something Jewy. But also it would be bubbling at the edge of their minds.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’m not sure Congresswoman Bachman can spell Renaissance.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: You’ve said to much. Put everything in a burn bag, light it, and activate your escape plan!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steeplejack: I don’t watch Fox intentionally, but I have noticed at the gym where it is on one of the over head TVs (along with CNN, a local channel, and ESPN) that the FOX chyrons and close captioning has a lot of errors. As if whatever programs they’re using are unable to accurately transcribe what is being said.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hell, I’m not sure former Congresswoman Bachman can spell.

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    jl says:

    @Steeplejack: Christians have patriarchs too.

    Edit: though I’d have to look up the status of the Polish Orthodox Church to see what meanings that would have there if Trump had actually used it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Exactly!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: Poles tend to be Catholic.

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    jl says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Very true, But there is a Polish Orthodox Church.

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    Gian says:

    @Adam L Silverman: hard to type and swat away the groping from Bill Oriely, or Roger Ailes, or the guy at Fox Business this week

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: I weren’t saying there weren’t.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gian: Ewwwww!

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    jl says:

    @Gian: Wiki says that the Polish Orthodox Church serves the Orthodox community in Brazil as well as Poland. So, people shouldn’t laugh. It’s a happening bunch.
    Newt Gingrich could write a cool alternative history about how great it would have been if only Trump had said ‘blood of the patriarchs’, which was what his true destiny demanded.

    Polish Orthodox Church

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    Yarrow says:

    @Gian: Gross!

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    MomSense says:

    Isn’t trump the guy who kept My New Order ( a collection of Hitler’s speeches) by his bedside? He knows WTF he is saying.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Gian: There are other Eastern Orthodox churches with different patriarchs. He only heads one.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @MomSense: So he likes Blue Monday…..

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    Scott Alloway says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Well played. Perfect comment.

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    MomSense says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh how I wish he were the sort of person who would.

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    jl says:

    Steve Bannon did say that the Trump program can bring back the excitement of the 1930s. He really said that. Not fake news.

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    Steeplejack says:

    All right! Ari Melber is going to get the 6:00 p.m. weekday slot on MSNBC vacated by Greta Van Susteren. Best political/​media news I’ve heard this week.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steeplejack: That is good. He does a good job. I think it’s funny that NBC/MSNBC can’t get anyone to watch the former Fox anchors’ shows. I saw a few minutes of the Today Show one day this week. They had Megyn Kelly at some roundtable chat segment where they seemed to be talking about trending topics or something light and inconsequential like that. She seemed uncomfortable. I guess they’re trying to get the morning audience to warm up to her since she’s supposed to have a morning show in the fall. She seemed uncomfortable so I don’t know how well that’s working out for them.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    All these years we’ve been talking about peak wingnut. But what if peak wingnut is entry-level-fascist?

    Imagine being a political writer in this moment and being utterly unable to identify clear white nationalist dogwhistles.

    They can’t even get their heads around Republican dogwhistles to the kinder, gentler racists. I can forgive Chris Cilizza for not being steeped in white nationalist rhetoric. Unless he is and is trying to throw us off the trail…

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    sdhays says:

    @MomSense: He’s clearly pretty damn racist, but I also submit that there’s no proof he’s actually literate. If I had to bet, I would bet that he never read that book, no matter how long it sat by his bed side. I suspect his reading comprehension skills aren’t up to it.

    Just to add: someone certainly told him what it was about, so the fact that he kept it by his bedside, whether he read it or not, tells us really all we need to know.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I think it’s funny that NBC/MSNBC can’t get anyone to watch the former Fox anchors’ shows.

    NONE of the right-wing “journalists” or commentators are ever able to cross over into the mainstream. They can be guests on channels like CNN or MSNBC, but they belly-flop every time they’re exposed to a mass audience.

    They are not popular. They only thrive inside the greenhouse that is Fox News and talk radio and wither whenever they get wider exposure. The problem is that CNN and MSNBC and the rest of the MSM are inside the same greenhouse and don’t get how unpopular those people and their ideas really are.

    (Also, hi. Hope you’re doing okay.)

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    @Kraux Pas:

    They can’t even get their heads around Republican dogwhistles to the kinder, gentler racists.

    This is directly connected. If they admit the existence of dog whistles, it’s a big step closer to facing the truth that they, themselves, are racist. Think about how often you’ve seen pundits and journalists leap enthusiastically onto the wagon of dog whistle policies.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ‘Let us all fight like the Poles.

    Like, lose every feckin time?

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    henqiguai says:

    @sm*t cl*de(#134):

    Like, lose every feckin time?

    Thought that was only when the then outdated Polish cavalry, long noted as one of Europe’s best military outfits, went up against the then new mechanized military of the Germans. Horses against tanks is a guaranteed loser. Other than that, I always thought (not really a student of military history) the Polish military was considered one of the best.

    Yeah, dead thread.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    To be fair, the Polish military had few opportunities to display its prowess, after the Russian Empire engulfed Poland in 17-mumbledy-mumble.

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    Jinchi says:

    @Mike J: It’s been a while since I’ve used Facebook. Is there a reason why it would add nonsense text like “14 Words” to anything?

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    Jinchi says:


    If I had to bet, I would bet that he never read that book, no matter how long it sat by his bed side.

    He can read the author’s name well enough and he knew that he liked the man’s work.

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    Julia Grey says:

    @stinger: That is certainly a very WHITE crowd.

    Well, y’know, it is POLAND.

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    Dr. Ronnie James, D.O. says:

    Between this and quoting noted 20th C. American anti-Semite Ellsworth Pegler* in her RNC speech, no one should be giving Caribou Barbie the benefit of the doubt with this shit anymore.

    * to his eternal credit, my stepfather (raised in the wingnut cradle of mid-60s Orange County) caught Palin’s Pegler reference as it happened. Still blows my mind.

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    kindness says:

    There ought to be a list of all the abominations of pundits & journalists who are failing mankind by doing their jobs abysmally. With examples would be nice. In this world, in this time, it’d be a long list.

    You could kinda wikipedia it and allow the readers to vote on the order of most awful.

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    JAFD says:

    @henqiguai: Picture of cavalry charging tanks is 100% Nazi propaganda

    Note that September 11th, 1683, was the arrival of Jan Sobieski’s Polish army at Vienna, to lift the siege and defeat the last Ottoman Turk advance into Europe.

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