Super Rich White Lady Not Upset She Helped Elect Trump

Fuck Jill Stein:

Stein is not losing any sleep over what might have been—in her telling, Clinton wouldn’t have been much better. “There are differences between Clinton and Trump, no doubt, but they’re not different enough to save your life, to save your job, to save the planet,” she says. “We deserve more than two lethal choices.”

I say again, fuck Jill Stein.






157 replies
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    WereBear says:

    That’s a breathtaking amount of cluelessness.

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    Robin G. says:

    Wondering when we’re gonna get that guillotine emoji.

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    clay says:

    It’s easy for her to say — it isn’t her family being torn apart by the thugs at ICE, it isn’t her healthcare being ripped away from her, it isn’t her stream that the coal companies are dumping waste in to.

    The bitter, infuriating irony of the “Green” candidate not differentiating between Trump and Clinton on environmental issues — where they were clearly and broadly defined — is hard to swallow.

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    WereBear says:

    @clay: It’s the same BS Nader pulled, “See, FROM SPACE you can’t tell the difference…”

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    Duncan Watson says:

    Wait…That is a recent quote!?! I can’t put into words my contempt for her.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    There are differences between Clinton and Trump, no doubt, but they’re not different enough to save your life, to save your job, to save the planet

    Sounds like that’s actually precisely the difference.

    Let’s take these individually:
    Life: AHCA and new focus on the War on American cities Drugs.

    Job: Complicated, but neither person as President can do anything to change economic trends and which industries thrive. Hillary Clinton at least is willing to go with the tide. Fuck Donald Trump and his promises to phonograph makers.

    Planet: Have you seen what Trump is doing with the EPA? Have you considered Trump’s temperament along with the fact that he now has access to nukes? Puh-leeeease. I’m too sober for this.

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    I think I would probably physically assault her if we were to meet. Not something I’m proud of tbh.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    “Now please excuse me, I need to go deposit my check from RT.”

    Stein is a fraud and so is the Green Party. Here’s a fun do it yourself experiment: Type Green Party Republican Funding into Google and see what comes up. The Green Party exists for one reason and one reason only: to weaken the Democrats by appealing to manic progressives (love that term) who think the Dems are impure.

    And that’s not even getting into Stein’s actual policies which fall apart under just a tiny bit of critical scrutiny.

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    rikyrah says:

    Stein was always a scam and a fraud.

    I want the apology from those who backed her, knowing that she was a scam and a fraud, but they had to be purity ponies in 2016.

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    @Cluttered Mind: A similar argument could be made about the Vt senator. It was a mistake to let him run as a D during the primaries.

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    @WereBear: trump’s hair is visible from space.

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    InternetDragons says:

    I started to post a rant here about Stein, but I realized I’m in danger of operating at a nearly constant level of ‘fairly-to-very-pissed-off’ these days, thanks to our idiot President and fucked-up political system.

    So instead I watched the most recent message from Vicente Fox (former President of Mexico) to Donald Trump, because I knew it would make me laugh. Sharing here in case you haven’t seen it yet. I love Vicente Fox. If one of you who knows how to post the actual video here could help out, that’d be great. But here’s the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZKrn7Bbl8

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    MoxieM says:

    Not sure if I’ve mentioned this here. But she is also personally a monster. I had the misfortune of living near her for many years. (There’s a ritzy part where Dr. Stein MD lives, and the other part where I lived–all absurdly overpriced bubble now. However.) There is also a nearby chunk of conservation land where the neighbors all walk dogs. A good friend’s youngish teen daughter often walked their very sweet Golden Retriever there–Stein had non-neutered Great Dane, who would attack other dogs unprovoked. It happened more than once, and Stein would scream at my friend’s 12-13 year old kid. Eventually, friend went over to Stein’s house to settle it. Stein blamed the kid (wrong!). She’s an asshole in every kind of way. Narcissistic … ugh, just ugh. I used to think she was just one of those “I’m a doctor; I went to Harvard–elect me Governor” types. She is so much worse.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    Christ, what an asshole. President Clinton would veto any “health care” bill passed by Congress. One can’t say the same thing about the current president. Based on what we know, many will die if this bill becomes law. How is that not different enough for her?

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    @rikyrah: Her backers are as bad as the T supporters with an added dose of self congratulatory delusion.

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    tobie says:

    I’m speechless. Whoever votes for the US-Green Party in any election after Stein’s candidacy is someone so blind to the suffering of others that they might as well be a tea bagger.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Did you know that RT.com also paid her $45,000 to sit at Putin’s table with Flynn? Cui bono?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    You can have me do it. It’s less weird for a woman to punch another woman, and I look deceptively non-threatening. 😈

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @InternetDragons:

    Vicente Fox seems to have missed his calling as a late-night talk show host. 😂

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    Bruce K says:

    I saw that bit on LGM, and I was particularly incensed by a related quote: “part of me is giggling”. I don’t know if that was Dr. Stein, but whoever it is, there’s a part of me that would like to determine whether the part of that person that’s giggling can function properly with pulverized kneecaps.

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    Peale says:

    She’s a reflection of her voters, however. The party is now hers to run at the top of the ticket until she decides not to run any longer. Does she have a son or daughter who she’ll pass ownership of the party to?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Mnemosyne: Well. Mnem, when you next get to the East Coast…. And you can stay with my family before and after (I will gladly accept “accessory” status).

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    Quinerly says:

    Have a close friend in our tightknit little neighborhood. He’s in his early 80’s and lives in government subsidized housing. Smart but didn’t finish high school (girlfriend got pregnant, he had to get a job). I was flabbergasted when he admitted in January that he voted for Stein. Had voted Dem his entire life. Said he couldn’t bring himself to vote for HRC…”she’s corrupt. There will be scandals.” Said Stein seemed like a “nice lady.” Haven’t had the heart to discuss it any further with him. He’s an old man. Pitiful actually. Breaks my heart. Known him 30 years.

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    dmsilev says:

    I say again, fuck Jill Stein.

    Cosigned. Because that really says all that needs to be said.

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    Ian G. says:

    Hey, Stein isn’t going to have family members deported, not going to lose health insurance, not going to end up dying in some war with Iran/North Korea/whoever that starts after some macho bullshit contest between Shitgibbon and the leader of said country, so what does she care? She’ll even get a tax cut out of it!

    Based on Facebook feeds, the people who voted for her have as little clue as to how the world works as Trump’s base. They’re rubes who fell for a con artist just like Trump voters.

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    In Tennessee, where his vote didn’t matter, my guitar player voted for Granola Palin. He deeply regrets it (even though HRC had no chance) and says he’s “Team Blue” from now on.

    I wonder how many other Stein voters have regrets. I’ll bet it’s a lot.

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    Elizabelle says:

    There is no pit deep enough to throw Jill Stein into. And this is a great link to save in the event of encountering SteinBros. Fuck them all. And deduct a lot of points from their supposed IQ.

    Jill Stein and her supporters are of no interest to me. They’re from Planet Whack. Maybe they’ll all be carried off by diptheria or measles complications.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Bruce K: Not Stein, but one of her fellow-travelers:

    “In some ways, Trump is one of the best things to happen to this country because look at how many people are getting off their posteriors,” says Sherry Wells, the Green Party’s Michigan chairwoman. “So part of me is giggling.”

    So, let’s expand John’s statement to its more general form: Fuck The Green Party.

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    geg6 says:

    Fuck that Russian cock sucking bitch. Fuck her, fuck her, fuck her.

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    Ian G. says:

    @Brendancalling:

    Granola Palin. Love it. Definitely using it.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    I have some otherwise smart friends who support her and the saddest thing for me is that they can’t see that she’s an outright moron.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @dmsilev: People are terrified for their lives! FUNNY!

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    James Powell says:

    Not surprising. I don’t recall Nader or Nader voters ever expressing regret for Iraq or the Roberts/Alito supreme court.

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    James Powell says:

    @Brendancalling:

    I wonder how many other Stein voters have regrets. I’ll bet it’s a lot.

    Swapping anecdotal evidence, I haven’t met any. Of course, there is always the possibility that actual Stein voters have been lying to me about who they voted for.

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    Vhh says:

    Back in the 1960s, our candidates competed on the basis ot Who is Tougher on Russia? In contrast, two of the three 2016 Presidential candidates were (and are) Putin’s Useful Idiots.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Unfair. Sanders is not a Democrat and has never claimed loyalty to the party, but he has reliably supported Democratic legislation for years and years. He’s got a record of actually getting himself elected and fighting to implement liberal policy instead of just standing on the sidelines and whining that both sides suck like Stein. Sanders has plenty of personal and professional flaws (as do we all) but you can’t compare him to Stein. When things really matter, he sides with the Democrats. When things really matter, Stein and the Greens don’t.

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    danielx says:

    The disgust! It burns!

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @dmsilev:

    In some ways, Trump is one of the best things to happen to this country because look at how many people are getting off their posteriors

    In related news; doctor relieved, even amused, that patient’s heart attack called attention to undiagnosed blood pressure issues.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @dmsilev:

    Wow, so the woman whose state helped put Trump in office with her help is giggling because other people are terrified of losing their health insurance or having a family member deported.

    Christ, what an asshole.

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    Nicole says:

    Dear Jill Stein: You are a bad person and your band sucked.

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    Immanentize says:

    @dmsilev: @Kraux Pas: The increase is college sexual assault cases is really the best thing ever for women. I’m giddy!

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    sherparick says:

    @clay: Quite right and morally obtuse. And so are all who agree with her. By the way, tens of thousands are dying in the Middle East in part still because Ralph Nader helped elect George Bush in 2000. As Cole says, Jill Stein and all the purity trolls on Left can go fuck themselves.

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    Ian G. says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Because, like tea partiers, they’re cosplay revolutionaries. They think that GOP overreach will eventually lead to the socialist paradise. They don’t have a fucking clue how this country works.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @James Powell:

    Ironically, I think Stein voters are less likely to have buyers remorse than Trump voters. They voted for her so they could stay contemptuously above the fray, secure in their belief that both sides are equally bad. Every bad thing that Trump does only reinforces their belief that they were right to vote for Stein.

    We’ll have better luck winning back the racist whites who voted for both Trump and Obama than we will getting Stein voters. It’s a cult.

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    Ian G. says:

    Also, let’s not forget that Noam freakin’ Chomsky understood the necessity of electing Clinton. When the high priest of the hard left gets it, anyone who voted Stein has no fucking excuse.

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    hovercraft says:

    There are two types of there was no difference purists, young white people and comfortable white women*. They can all go fuck themselves, the young ones unfortunately are fucking them selves but at least have the excuse that their young and stupid, the self satisfied purists like Stein and Naomi Klein, and Sarandon are the worst. They have the luxury of holding out for what they think is a “pure” candidate, but the rest of us don’t have that luxury, we live in the real world. Where seeing Obamacare repealed is not an opportunity for us to one day in the future to see single payer come to America after people see the error of their ways. Today right now, it means that kids with asthma see the cost of their medications go up, diabetes and high blood pressure medication, rheumatoid arthritis, medication, counseling, these are just the conditions in my immediate family, the pre-existing conditions band aid they slapped on to ACAH if it survives, is just that a band aid, those people in the commercials we’re starting to see aren’t actors, they are real people. I’ve heard about this supposed event horizon that will one day usher in the one true liberal leader who will lead us all into a democratic socialist utopia like the ones in Scandinavia, all my life, but it never happens. Republican presidents have been getting steadily worse, but every time a democrat is elected, the purity fetishists spend his entire presidency bleating about how impure he is and how their magical candidate could have done it more gooder. Fuck them, these people live in a fantasy world, fucking Ralph Nader would not have gotten elected even if the entire democratic party had gotten behind him, and eve if you took out Obama’s time machine, went back and magically made him president, how many democratic congresscritters would have gone along with his agenda? Not many, he would have been a failure. Same goes for BS, his deadenders need to understand that he ran and lost, but say he won, he’s been congress for years and hasn’t been able to get them to pass shit, what makes you think they all willingly go along with his agenda?
    Cole you were trigger happy, this is the post that should have had the STFU gif.

    * Yes I know Nina Turner and some others are still high on BS, but they are a minority, the bulk of his support was from white people, he got some young uns of color, but no where near at the numbers he trounced her with young whites.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @James Powell:

    I wonder how many other Stein voters have regrets. I’ll bet it’s a lot.

    Swapping anecdotal evidence, I haven’t met any.

    My Stein-voting sister clearly would have preferred if Hillary won. Her reason for voting for Stein sounds awfully similar to my “Missouri Test” from 2004 when I voted for David Cobb over John Kerry. MA is non-competitive, but I then and she now would have voted differently, strategically, otherwise.

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    Quinerly says:

    @James Powell:
    Did I read this or dream it? Hasn’t there been a Nader quote out in the last 10 days saying that he would have voted for Bush had he not been running in 2000?

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    Dave C says:

    Those contradictions ain’t going to heighten themselves, you know!

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    Applejinx says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Job: Complicated, but neither person as President can do anything to change economic trends and which industries thrive. Hillary Clinton at least is willing to go with the tide. Fuck Donald Trump and his promises to phonograph makers.

    Wait, what? There’s your problem. Folks here are entirely ready to take credit for stuff FDR did, but now that it’s 2017 we’re soooo helpless and can’t do anything to change economic trends?

    Bullshit. And fuck ‘going with the tide’, this is a tide that does not stop. Make other promises, ones more sophisticated than ‘jerbs’ (especially ‘cerl jerbs’).

    Bullshit, ‘politics cannot change economics’. Economics is MANUFACTURED. It’s not gravity or something. People made it up. Go listen to some Douglas Rushkoff (recent work, ‘Throwing Rocks At The Google Bus’). Not only can politics change economics, politics DEFINES economics and always has.

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    eclare says:

    @Ian G.: Bill Maher also got the message.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    Time to go drink some bleach.

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes says:

    I think I’ll start a GoFundMe to pay for Jill to visit North Korea.

    Only thing I’ll ask from her in return is for a genuine propaganda poster.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    You can have me do it. It’s less weird for a woman to punch another woman, and I look deceptively non-threatening. 😈

    If you should ever have the opportunity, I’d be delighted to chip in on bail and fines.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Applejinx:

    Wait, what? There’s your problem. Folks here are entirely ready to take credit for stuff FDR did, but now that it’s 2017 we’re soooo helpless and can’t do anything to change economic trends?

    I’m sorry, dude, but government intervention only goes so far. You can harness the tide to suit your ends, but you can’t stop it coming in and out. Unless people were literally forced to buy them, the horse and buggy days are over, m’kay? the government can support and promote emerging markets, but it can’t decide for people what they actually want to buy, what succeeds.

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    glory b says:

    @Quinerly: Next time, call me (or schrodingers_cat).

    Mean girls, FTW!!

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    SFAW says:

    @Quinerly:

    Hasn’t there been a Nader quote out in the last 10 days saying that he would have voted for Bush had he not been running in 2000?

    Don’t know about the last 10 days, but in the aftermath of 2000, he said, in effect, that it was good that Bush won, because he’d make things so bad that the resulting backlash would usher in a wave of liberalism that would last a generation.

    By that “logic,” I guess with Shitgibbon, the wave of liberalism will last for a couple of hundred years.

    How does the Green Part do such a good job getting morons to run at the top of the ticket? Yeah, yeah, I know, “it’s a gift!” Or is that “grift”?

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    Spanky says:

    In better news, the Great Orange Satan (not that one, the original) has bad news for the Great Orange Satan (yeah, that one):

    Hoo boy. A new CBS News poll is a litany of bad news for Donald Trump, starting with the big-ticket item: Trump’s approval rating has sunk to 36 percent, its lowest level since he became president. And Russia—a problem that’s likely to get worse for Trump, not better—is a significant factor, with a third of people saying Trump’s handling of the Russia issue has made them think worse of him.

    Trump’s credibility is low. A majority of people believe former FBI Director James Comey over Trump, and:

    The percentage of Americans who thinks it is at least somewhat likely that Mr. Trump’s campaign associates had improper contact with the Russian government has also risen a bit in recent months — from 59 percent in March to 65 percent today.

    Movement here is driven primarily by Republicans: 40 percent now think it is at least somewhat likely that Trump associates had improper contact with the Russian government, up from just a quarter in March.

    When it comes to investigating improper contact, 56 percent believe that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will be impartial, with just 30 percent saying it won’t be. More than 80 percent say Trump should not try to stop Mueller’s investigation. Not that that will stop Trump from doing it if he loses his temper one of these days, but it may give congressional Republicans something to think about when they’re deciding how to respond.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Because, like tea partiers, they’re cosplay revolutionaries. They think that GOP overreach will eventually lead to the socialist paradise. They don’t have a fucking clue how this country works.

    @Ian G.: “Nacht Hitler, uns!” Those too-smart for their own good German Communists.

    They all ended up in concentration camps instead.

    (pardon if the German is a mess, I did that from memory and put mildly, I don’t speak the Deutsche.)

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    SFAW says:

    @low-tech cyclist:

    If you should ever have the opportunity, I’d be delighted to chip in on bail and fines.

    Me three.

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    ruemara says:

    I hate these people. They have no fucking idea the pain and anxiety they’ve caused. I just detest them.

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    @Cluttered Mind: He did run for the Democratic nomination just last year, didn’t he? He should have run as an independent since he is too good to join the party but has no problem criticizing it all the damn time.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    She’s a Russian agent. Just for the money.

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    glory b says:

    @Ian G.: I’ll also note that the European Greens (who are not a Jill Stein vanity project) encouraged their members to vote for mainstream liberal/centrists.

    I also recall an article (I think it was on the Daily Beast about Jill Stein and her investments in big oil, big pharma, etc. (at work, can’t link).

    And the greens taking money from republican donors in PA in order to have enough funds to run a senate candidate during Pat Toomey’s first run.

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    SFAW says:

    It has occurred to me that naming it the “Green Party” has sort of a “To Serve Man” vibe about it. The suckers think it’s about the Environment and other “liberal” causes, whereas the ones piloting the spaceship know it’s about Greenbacks. I expect I am not the first person to speculate on this.
    (Also, someone should ask Stein if she’s paid in dollars or rubles, and whether rubles are green-colored.)

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    The Moar You Know says:

    A new CBS News poll is a litany of bad news for Donald Trump, starting with the big-ticket item: Trump’s approval rating has sunk to 36 percent, its lowest level since he became president.

    @Spanky: These polls are killing me. Of course the majority of the country hates the Orange Sack of Shit.

    The only important number is how many Republicans still back the guy, and that’s dropped from approximately 80% to 75%. The GOP, the only people who can do anything about him, will not do anything about him until that GOP number goes under 50. There’s a way to go.

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    @James Powell: my sister finally admitted Clinton would be better than Trump. She voted Stein, in upstate NY. She knows jack about politics and how the system works, so she bought Jill’s nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

    This is an unpopular opinion,but I firmly believe if you want to vote you need to pass the same citizenship test as immigrants, including “how a bill becomes a law”

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    john b says:

    I have a friend who was a Green in college, until she spent a summer volunteering for them. Then she realized what a fraud it is.

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    SFAW says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    “Nach” (“after” auf Deutsch)

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    glory b says:

    @Cluttered Mind: I take it you haven’t heard him recently?

    The man has been in DC for thirty years and has 3 pieces of legislation, 2 of which were renaming post offices.

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    Thanks for the link, John. May I just add fuck the whole Green Party. I have a perennial GP candidate running for Congress in my district. He got 10.% in 2014 and 4.38% in 2016. The trendline is good anyway. A year from now though, I’ll be forced to listen to him condescendingly tell us all how there’s no difference between Democrats and republicans. He has narcissism and conspiracy theories to put Trump to shame. Please pardon the blog whoring.

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    Obdurodon says:

    The problem with US national politics right now is that so few people running for office actually want to govern. On the one hand you have the “government small enough to drown in a bathtub” crowd who want to get elected (and do) so that they can rip the government apart from the inside. On the other, you have people like Sanders and Stein who enjoy playing gadfly but would be absolutely lost if they actually won. It’s easy to make outrageous promises that you know you’ll never have to keep. It’s so much fun we all do it, when we each describe our own personal utopia without any clear idea of how to get there. I certainly understood the appeal of Bernie’s message, but I also understood that progress is often a bit circuitous. Stepping directly toward that high hill in the distance might also be stepping off the cliff at your feet. Each election cycle, people need to think about which of the available options is *on the right road* toward improvement, even if it’s going the long way around obstacles. That’s exactly the kind of strategic thinking of which Stein and her supporters seem incapable, and as a result anyone actually capable of governing gets squeezed from both sides.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    @schrodingers_cat: That’s kind of a damned if you do damned if you don’t argument you’re making, isn’t it? Sanders ran for the Democratic nomination specifically so that he would not be a Jill Stein or Ralph Nader style spoiler in the general. If he’d run as an independent, he certainly would have siphoned a lot more votes off of Hillary Clinton than Jill Stein ever would have been able to do. Instead he did exactly what we all keep saying people like him should do: work within the system we have to achieve your desired ends. He lost to Clinton, had some more or less understandable grievances about how the primaries were set up for him to lose, but he threw his support behind Clinton in the general election. I voted for Sanders in the primary and then Clinton in the general and I really despise the Bernie-would-have-won Berniebros who still can’t get over the primary results. But no matter how obnoxious Sanders can be, I don’t think he deserves a comparison to Jill Stein. This isn’t a parliamentary system where the party label is rigidly enforced and monitored. We live in a country where Fred Phelps can call himself a Democrat. What Bernie calls himself is less important than who he caucuses with. He caucuses with the Democrats, therefore he is de facto a Democrat.

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    eclare says:

    @The Moar You Know: My question is, even if someone who voted for that POS now admits that yes, Russia was involved, would that change their vote? I think a large part of the country prefers Vlad to Democrats.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    @glory b: I’m aware of how obnoxious he can be when things don’t go his way, yes. I’m not going to vote for him in a primary if he runs for President again. But he’s still a part of the party in the way that matters most (caucuses with them).

    Also, it’s not entirely fair to blame him for that 30 year record. The Democrats only had control of Congress for 11 of those years. (lost in 1994, didn’t regain till 2006, lost again in 2010, but those were years of brutal obstruction from Mitch McConnell and we were lucky to get what we did.)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I think I would probably physically assault her if we were to meet. Not something I’m proud of tbh.

    Lying to yourself would be an infinitely worse sin. We won’t judge you here.

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    glory b says:

    Americans, she reasons, would be hypocritical for crying foul over foreign meddling in their political system. “I am so comforted to hear that the United States never interfered in the election of other countries,” cracks Wells, who volunteers that she is fluent in Esperanto.

    This is Stein’s giggling sidekick. Esperanto? Kill me now.

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    Quinerly says:

    @SFAW:
    I guess I dreamed it up. Sure thought there was a snippet on memeorandum recently…something about Nader saying had he not run he would have voted for Bush. The Google has failed me. I must be wrong. Damn. Second time in a month that I have been wrong.😈

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    TenguPhule says:

    @rikyrah:

    I want the apology from those who backed her, knowing that she was a scam and a fraud, but they had to be purity ponies in 2016.

    That’s all you want? You’re quite forgiving.

    The phrase “A pound of flesh” comes to mind.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Quinerly:

    I must be wrong. Damn. Second time in a month that I have been wrong.

    It must be all the booze in your freezer.

    Obviously you aren’t drinking enough of it because its still in your freezer.

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Lying to yourself would be an infinitely worse sin. We won’t judge you here.

    Won’t judge? You must be new around here.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @geg6:

    Fuck that Russian cock sucking bitch. Fuck her, fuck her, fuck her.

    Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Junior G-Man) 🗳 🌷 says:

    As others have said, what an extremely clueless old woman. She’s so privledged and arrogant she doesn’t understand she helped create this dystopia we live in now. She’s old (late 60s right) and rich. She’ll likely die before any thing gets truly ugly

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Cluttered Mind:

    He lost to Clinton, had some more or less understandable grievances about how the primaries were set up for him to lose

    By counting votes for Clinton cast by “insufficiently progressive” Demographics? BOO HOO.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SFAW: I took it as a given that all of us here think Jill Stein should eat shit and die no matter how politely we may phrase the sentiment.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @The Moar You Know:
    For the next time you use it:
    It’s Nach Hitler, uns! (After Hitler, us!) Nacht means “night”.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    My question is, even if someone who voted for that POS now admits that yes, Russia was involved, would that change their vote? I think a large part of the country prefers Vlad to Democrats.

    @eclare: I very much doubt it. The few Trump supporters I talk to view Dems as the party of black people, taxes, and Muslim terrorists, and would find anyone or anything preferable to that.

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    Quinerly says:

    @glory b:
    Actually, it gets worse. I picked him up and drove him to the polls. He had voted DEM his entire life. We had talked about how awful Trump was. Never dreamed he voted for Stein until he told me in January. Waited for him to vote. Long line. I had been there early in line and cried when I voted HRC. So sure we had it in the bag. (side story, it hit me about 1:00pm…sinking feeling just came over me out of the blue that we were going to lose)

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    TenguPhule says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    He should have run as an independent since he is too good to join the party but has no problem criticizing it all the damn time.

    Give Sanders at least this much credit, He was not fucking Ralph Nader.

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    glory b says:

    @Cluttered Mind: He lost me completely when he told an interviewer that he’d get things passed as president by opening the curtains in the oval office and showing McConnell the hoards of young people that would be protesting outside until he got his agenda passed.

    I couldn’t believe that he had so little understanding of how these things worked. He didn’t see that the free college thing would be a massive benefit to upper middle class people (just like vouchers), especially without a plan for a major upgrade to our public schools, something the federal government has very little control over.

    And he and Jeff Weaver agreeing that the votes of African Americans in the south don’t count in the primaries ended him for me.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Junior G-Man) 🗳 🌷 says:

    Inb4 N(R) spouts off about how no party “deserves” votes. Nevermind that votes have real world consequences for real people. Contrary what they think, voters are ultimately responsible for the policy fuckups of Rethuglicans.

    Here’s some advice pal, that you always ignore when brought up: be the change you want to be. Run for office or support others you agree with running. If they win, then that’s a blueprint that the entire party can follow. Prove yourself first

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    SFAW says:

    @Quinerly:

    I must be wrong. Damn. Second time in a month that I have been wrong

    I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong, I was trying to point out that it’s consistent with his inability to accept the smallest iota of responsibility for what his candidacy ended up doing to the country.

    You don’t hear/read him saying “I guess I was wrong about the wave of liberalism,” do you?

    But TenguPhule is right about denying your booze the freedom to run … down your throat. If you weren’t 1000 miles away, I’d be over to help liberate them from the capitalist oppression of the icebox. Whaddya got, anyway? If it’s good single-malt, maybe I can afford the airfare.

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    Brachiator says:

    Wow. The Jill Stein quote says it all. She and people like her suffer from a kind of political bulimia. They look at the world and only see relfected back their desperate desire for political purity.

    They don’t see their unicorn, and so they can never be satisfied.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Elizabelle:

    There is no pit deep enough to throw Jill Stein into.

    I propose this theory be tested to disprove it.

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    eclare says:

    @The Moar You Know: I agree, which is why these comforting approval polls (down to 36%!) are meaningless.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Obdurodon:

    We get the government that people want. We had a chance to vote for either a candidate with a bunch of detailed, specific plans for how to continue moving forward, or two candidates who had nothing but slogans and memes, and enough people chose slogans and memes to swing the election.

    Stein’s vote in MI was more than enough to swing the state for Hillary. Don’t tell me that Hillary “didn’t deserve” those votes. Our goddamned COUNTRY deserved those votes to save us from outright fascism, and you couldn’t be arsed to do your part.

    So, Stein voters, don’t come crying to me to save you when you lose your health insurance or the economy crashes or your former BFF gets deported. If you couldn’t be bothered to do your part, why should I do mine? Herd immunity only works when enough of the herd sticks together.

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I took it as a given that all of us here think Jill Stein should eat shit and die no matter how politely we may phrase the sentiment.

    What about my statement made you think I disagree?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    We’ll have better luck winning back the racist whites who voted for both Trump and Obama than we will getting Stein voters.

    We’d have better results by simply evicting them all from the island and letting them swim to their libertarian paradise.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SFAW: If we’re all in agreement then there shouldn’t be any judgements on that specific issue. I know we turn into jackals on just about everything else.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Give Sanders at least this much credit, He was not fucking Ralph Nader.

    I thought we were open-minded and non-judgmental about people’s sexual preferences here.

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    ThresherK says:

    The fascination our press corpse has with someone who got 1.whatever% is delusional.

    I await the Greens whose great-grandparents were kept from the poorhouse with SocSec, whose grandfathers got college degrees and owned homes on the GI Bill, whose parents are gonna be on Medicare, to heighten their own fucking contradictions.

    PS Where are all the black, Latino, Jewish, Muslim, immigrant and LGBTQ Greens?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cluttered Mind:

    I will name a very specific thing that I think Sanders should have done that might have prevented Trump from winning: when Wikileaks came out with their stolen emails purporting to show that the DNC was talking smack about him after it was impossible for him to still win the primary, he should have said, “Who cares? Hillary won, fair and square.”

    Unfortunately, he was still so wedded to his own narrative that he’d been cheated that he was incapable of being that generous and strategic.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    @glory b: Yeah that pissed me off too, which is a big part of why I’ll never vote for him in a primary again. I’m not defending the man’s actions during the primary or his sour grapes afterwards, I’m just saying that he doesn’t deserve to be compared to Nader or Stein because at least his existence benefits the Democratic Party in some material way (a warm body in the Senate caucus that counts towards the magic 51 number). I’m literally only saying that. I’m not singing his praises or defending any of his indefensible statements or even claiming that he would have won (No way that happens in 2016), I’m just saying that he does not exist on the same level as Nader, Stein, and the Greens.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    The GOP, the only people who can do anything about him, will not do anything about him until that GOP number goes under 50.

    Donald Trump could rape a live boy and dead girl on TV then shoot a baby before eating its still beating heart and he still wouldn’t get under 50 with the Republican base.

    I so wish I was joking.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule:

    I propose this theory be tested to disprove it.

    Problem here is that you can’t have a proper test since you really only get one shot at it.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @Cluttered Mind:

    I’m not singing his praises or defending any of his indefensible statements or even claiming that he would have won

    If you aren’t condemning the man with every ounce of vitriol in your body, you might as well be fellating him.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Problem here is that you can’t have a proper test since you really only get one shot at it.

    You seem to think we’d stop if she didn’t survive the experience.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    @Mnemosyne: Agreed. He let his ego run away with him and did not react well to that (or really anything else having to do with the DNC after he lost the primary). That said, there are a whole host of reasons that Clinton lost in 2016 and the petulant attitude of Bernie Sanders is pretty far down the list. He was a pretty sore loser but Clinton emerged from that primary as a much stronger and much more liberal candidate overall. I’m not sure that the votes she lost from Berniebro deadenders exceed the votes and enthusiasm she gained from people like me who were elated by Sanders pushing her farther and farther to the left.

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    glory b says:

    @Cluttered Mind: The primaries were set up the way they always were. The reason that HRC lost the primary to Obama was because he racked up a lot of southern states, because they vote early in the process.

    HRC figured that out, and while BS was prattling on about millionaires and billionaires, she addressed the issues of the mostly black southern dems and gave herself what turned out to be an insurmountable lead. If BS couldn’t figure out the primary rules, he has no business running.

    And let’s ot mention how out of step he was on guns and dismissing Planned Parenthood as part of the “establishment.”

    BS says he favors caucuses, the least democratic way of voting. His people are busy trying to concoct a way around the southern states, rather than figuring out a way to appeal to those “identity politics” voters.

    BS has a problem admitting he was wrong and trying to do better.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    If you aren’t condemning the man with every ounce of vitriol in your body, you might as well be fellating him.

    Are you talking about Trump or Sanders?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Cluttered Mind:

    had some more or less understandable grievances about how the primaries were set up for him to lose

    Yeah, it was a damned shame he didn’t have more opportunities to manipulate the caucus process and have his flunkies throw chairs and hoot down speakers.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I will name a very specific thing that I think Sanders should have done that might have prevented Trump from winning

    Given how widespread the Russian infiltration and penetration was in our election, it seems fairly certain that nothing Sanders did or did not do would have changed it. Our worthless media would simply have ginned up more “HER EMAILS” if they couldn’t goad Sanders into an intemperate response. It was all about shitting on the person who seemed like she was going to win anyway.

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    Cluttered Mind says:

    It’s been a while since anyone said anything negative on this thread about Bernie Sanders that I actually disagree with, so I’m not sure why I’m even still arguing. I voted for the man in the NY primary before voting for Clinton in the general election. Bernie had no chance in hell of winning the NY primary, I voted for him to send the message to Clinton that she should move more to the left. That was the extent of my support for Bernie Sanders.

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    KithKanan says:

    It was a mistake to let him run as a D during the primaries.

    @schrodingers_cat: You’ve said this before, but it’s not like the DNC gave him any sort of special dispensation. It would have taken a party rule change to stop him, and that would almost certainly have hurt Hillary’s chances in the general even more than the primary contest we had — and I can’t hear his name at this point without saying “FUCK THAT GUY!”

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Are you talking about Trump or Sanders?

    Sanders, though around here I’m not sure it makes a difference.

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    Brachiator says:

    @ThresherK:

    .PS Where are all the black, Latino, Jewish, Muslim, immigrant and LGBTQ Greens?

    Greens come in all varieties. Along these lines, I remember once encountering a multi racial group of Lyndon Larouch supporters.

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    Quinerly says:

    @SFAW:
    I was joking. Looked for the recent quote I thought I had read. Doesn’t seem to exist in the Google world. I’ve been wrong so much today that I lost count. Teasing about it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    FWIW, LaRouche followers are an actual, genuine cult. They’re the political equivalent of Scientology. I had an acquaintance whose brother had gotten involved with them and they had to be very, very careful how they interacted with him so the cult leaders wouldn’t have an excuse to make him cut them off.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @glory b:

    BS has a problem admitting he was wrong and trying to do better.

    This is sadly very true.

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    Quinerly says:

    @SFAW:
    I gots single malt. For my winter drinkers. (Macallan) On a shelf. In a place of honor. I even gots some mighty fine Irish whiskeys (Middleton’s, plus others). Again, in places on honor…not communing with those low brow instant dumplings.😈

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    SFAW says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Problem here is that you can’t have a proper test since you really only get one shot at it.

    Oh well.

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    That condescending lack of empathy just galls me. They think somehow they are shaping the world, and that is a great “good” than the pain they’ll cause doing it. Its that brogrammer bs that really frustrates me. I hope she suffers all the problems she’s caused.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Quinerly:

    Again, in places on honor…not communing with those low brow instant dumplings.

    You’re going to hold a grudge about that forever, aren’t you?

    And Japan has developed an interesting bunch of whiskeys now being carried by Costco. Smoother then the UK stuff.

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    D58826 says:

    There are differences between Clinton and Trump, no doubt, but they’re not different enough to save your life, to save your job, to save the planet,

    well I guess not the planet that she lives on

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    D58826 says:

    Broadway date night for the Clintons

    The trio saw the musical “Come From Away,” and the crowd went wild upon realizing the identities of their famous fellow audience members.

    Didn’t a Broadway crowd boo the VP at a Hamilton performance.?
    Der Fuhrer show up at a Broadway play and they would probably torch the theater

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @D58826: Hillary Clinton was elected and sworn in on Earth 19, then promptly nuked everyone. The end.

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    Quinerly says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Gee…no one is getting my humor today. I try so hard to be known for my humor…as opposed to my shapely ass.😈 What kind of operation is Cole running here?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Quinerly:

    What kind of operation is Cole running here?

    A shoe string and spit operation.

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    Quinerly says:

    @TenguPhule:
    With instant dumplings on the side?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Quinerly: Only if you meet your snark quota. Otherwise you have to make them by hand with shoestrings and spit.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: One should be suspect of any group that would have me.

    @TenguPhule:

    Only if you meet your snark quota. Otherwise you have to make them by hand with shoestrings and spit.

    Remind me never to eat at your house. If you want easy dumplings, Bisquick and milk biscuit batter spooned out over a stew. Delicious.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Remind me never to eat at your house.

    Your loss, I do a mean steak, roast chicken, grilled salmon, curry or fried rice.

    And my instant pasta isn’t too bad either.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: Hey, as long as it doesn’t contain any shoestrings or conspicuous spit…

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    hovercraft says:

    @D58826:
    Well of course they did, they are Manhattan elites and by showing their contempt for him they once again gave “real America” the middle finger. People cheer for the Clinton’s and Obama’s, but boo republicans, it’s a disgrace.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Hey, as long as it doesn’t contain any shoestrings or conspicuous spit…

    If I greet you with handmade pasta, you should probably run.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @hovercraft: Right, because there’s nothing elite about the Vice President.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: You’re right, I should totally lay off the carbs. Water-sugar solutions are more my vice though.

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    martian says:

    I’m never voting Green again, and I’ve pretty regularly voted Green for local offices. Nader and Stein blah blahing the same mealy-mouthed bullshit is no accident. I find it impossible to think they actually believe it, and the dishonesty is a breathtaking and callous betrayal of everything the party is supposed to care about. The party has gone rotten at the core, if it ever was more than a scam.

    Greens seem legit in other countries, am I mistaken about that? I heard somewhere – likely here – that the Russian Greens think Stein is a tool of Putin.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Water-sugar solutions are more my vice though.

    Carbonated or fruit flavored?

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    hovercraft says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    Right, because there’s nothing elite about the Vice President.

    Of course not, remember Barrack and Michelle were elites, but Mitt and Anne were just good old Americans’ from the heartland, where the trees were the same height, they just happened to be wealthy.

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: Carbonated and fruit-derived, not flavored. Except grape Kool-Aid, that shit’s delicious, though it tastes nothing truly like grapes. Oh and coffee and tea.

    OK, pretty much any way you can flavor sugar water.

    ETA: It does have to be flavored, though, none of this.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas:

    OK, pretty much any way you can flavor sugar water.

    Shave ice with condensed milk topping?

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: I’ll try anything once on principle.

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    OFFS I just can’t even…..Jill fucking Stein…seriously?! Every time someone dies because of the repeal of the ACA we need to hammer Stein with it and a message: This would not have fucking happened if Clinton was in office. Fuck her sideways.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Kraux Pas: Ever heard of Ice cakes?

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    Kraux Pas says:

    @TenguPhule: Can’t say that I have.Will research.

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    Captain C says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Our goddamned COUNTRY deserved those votes to save us from outright fascism, and you couldn’t be arsed to do your part.

    I’m guessing that at least some of those Stein voters did in fact think that our country did not deserve to be saved from fascism, as we’re mostly not perfect and pure snowflakes like they see themselves as.

    I’m reminded of this quote from Terry Pratchett’s Night Watch:

    “There were plotters, there was no doubt about it. Some had been ordinary people who’d had enough. Some were young people with no money who objected to the fact that the world was run by old people who were rich. Some were in it to get girls. And some had been idiots as mad as Swing, with a view of the world just as rigid and unreal, who were on the side of what they called ‘the people’. Vimes had spent his life on the streets, and had met decent men and fools and people who’d steal a penny from a blind beggar and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he’d never met The People.

    People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn’t that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.

    As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn’t measure up. What would run through the streets soon enough wouldn’t be a revolution or a riot. It’d be people who were frightened and panicking. It was what happened when the machinery of city life faltered, the wheels stopped turning and all the little rules broke down. And when that happened, humans were worse than sheep. Sheep just ran; they didn’t try to bite the sheep next to them.”

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    Obdurodon says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m not sure if you meant that diatribe to be directed at me, but that’s how the text reads. To clarify: I was trying to point out what’s *wrong* with the Stein supporters. I’m on record many times saying Stein with her self-absorbed privileged-grandma schtick is the worst thing that ever happened to the Green party, and that she personally is dooming them to continual irrelevance. BTW she lives about two miles from me. Part of me wants to run into her somewhere around town and give her a piece of my mind, but I’m sure it would be wasted time.

    As a software developer, I have no patience for people who will reject a simple fix because they’re pining for a more elegant solution that will take forever to implement. As a chess player, I have no patience for people who just try to push their pieces straight across the board without preparation and – most stupidly of all – without considering opponents’ countermoves. As a citizen, I have no patience for people who are so fixated on where they want us to be (which might in itself be wrong) that they interfere with people actually plotting a path forward. They refuse to lead, follow, or get out of the way. They just wander, like sheep, and we all end up getting fleeced.

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Jesus H Christ, enough with the love-talk already
    Will you and Quinerly please get a room?

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    SFAW says:

    @TenguPhule:

    If we’re all in agreement then there shouldn’t be any judgements on that specific issue.

    Fuck you, you looozah!

    Oh, wait — was I NOT supposed to be judgmental? Damn, I can never get that right.

    As Miss Emily Litella used to say “Never mind.”

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    SFAW says:

    @Quinerly:

    I gots single malt. For my winter drinkers. (Macallan) On a shelf.

    Ever try Balvenie 12 Doublewood? My brother got me started on it, he was steered to it when he asked his local sommelier (so to speak) for “Something like Macallan, but affordable.” (Naturally, after I chat with him, he’ll probably tell me “It wasn’t Macallan, dipshit, it was [X]”)

    Of course, Balvenie is not exactly cheap these days.

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    Captain C says:

    @TenguPhule: Mitch McConnell would probably ask to join in.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Captain C: I wish I could disagree with that statement.

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    Rick O'Leary says:

    @schrodingers_cat: It was not a mistake to run Se. Bernie Sanders then, and it’s not a mistake now. He ran as a Democrat because Democrats made that possible, and I voted FOR him, despite voting for Clinton in November. That’s what it was.

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