Jesus christ almighty these fucking Republicans:
Knowing that Scalise and several others were wounded, but not knowing much else about the shooting, Collins went on WBEN radio and rhetorically took aim at Democrats.
“I can only hope that the Democrats do tone down the rhetoric,” Collins said on the radio station. “The rhetoric has been outrageous – the finger-pointing, just the tone and the angst and the anger directed at Donald Trump, his supporters. Really, then, you know, some people react to things like that. They get angry as well. And then you fuel the fires.”
Saying that political rhetoric was becoming too heated, Collins added: “Maybe this is a wake-up call. I’m not saying it will be. But let’s hope we could disagree on a more polite, conversational basis and not do things like what they did at my office a couple weeks ago.”
Collins then noted that protesters held a “die-in” at his office to show their opposition to the House Republican health bill.
The last thirty years never fucking happened and history started on 20 January 2017. We just dreamed this shit:
Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY), the first House Republican to endorse Trump, told MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki that he didn’t agree with Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) condmenation of Trump’s comments. Rather, Collins said he felt Clinton was using the Khan family for political gain.
“At this point, 12 years later, Mr. Khan has decided to enter the fray, attack Mr. Trump in a very inappropriate way when, in fact, it’s Hillary Clinton that ignores the First, Second and Tenth Amendments,” he said. “At that point, I can’t blame Mr. Trump for saying, I’m going to defend my integrity and my understanding of the Constitution.”
Collins went on to point out that Clinton supported the Iraq War, a position Trump repeatedly attacked her for. He then cast Khan as an “attack dog” for Clinton and said that he uses his late son as a “shield” from criticism.
“He’s become Hillary’s attack dog, and every time Donald Trump will say something, he puts up the shield, if you will, of the loss of his son,” he said.
“Mr. Khan is saying I’m immune from anyone criticizing me because my son died in a very heroic loss to the family and also in service of the country,” he continued. “But today he’s taken on a political role as an attack dog for Hillary Clinton, and I think, in that regard, he’s got to take what comes back at him.”
Chris Collins was the first member of congress to endorse Trump.
MikeBoyScout
Morons Are Governing America MAGA! Your GOP
Matt McIrvin
Remember about a year and a half ago when those guys in Boston beat up a homeless Hispanic guy while shouting about Donald Trump, and they asked Trump about it, and he just boasted about how passionate his fans were?
Matt McIrvin
…Remember all those times that Trump retweeted lies from violent white-supremacist websites?
Villago Delenda Est
It’s what we’ve come to expect from these vile creatures.
I’m sure Scalise’s A+ Rating from the NRA stopped a fatal bullet.
Beautifulplummage
After seeing Thurston’s way with garbage maybe loan him to Collins for a few days?
Villago Delenda Est
@Beautifulplummage: That or ask Sansa Stark to invite Collins to her kennel.
dmsilev
I’m guessing that Collins somehow failed to mention that the health care bill that he’s helping to push will literally, yes literally literally, lead to the untimely deaths of many, possibly thousands, of people due to, you know, their losing access to health care. He might have had a point had the protestors held a “kill-in” at his office, but that’s not what they did.
jl
The Trumpsters follow a man who claims to be dumbfounded and outraged that he is being investigated for obstruction of justice after he admitted to the crime on a national TV broadcast. So… I dunno. They think funny.
khead
But Brad Wenstrup saved lives today. How can you argue with that?
And people wonder why I am a cynic.
Smiling Mortician
Shooter wasn’t a Democrat. People are ignoring all sorts of shit posted on his social media — including SERIOUS Hillary hate along with both Wilmer and Stein encomia. Haven’t seen deeper reporting out (and I’m trying to follow the Breaking News rules) but I will not be surprised to find that he’s never voted for a Dem in his life.
jl
@dmsilev: And, a peaceful ‘die-in’ protest is not by any stretch any kind of incitement to violence. It is about the most quiet and peaceful kind of protest and (in certain cases) civil disobedience there is (at least if they do it right). Only the Trumpster voters would argue with that. The vast majority of the public will not.
Might be frustrating for some to resist advertising violent fantasies. But people need to resist the urge. That is the key to public opinion, and keeping public opinion on our side is half the battle. The other half is winning elections. And if the elections are corrupted, then having public opinion on our side is absolutely critical to eventual success at turning the tide against reactionary extremism.
amk
all the rethugs always about all projection. the media scums will gladly push their blatant lies.
PeakVT
It really has nothing to do with their balls because AFAICT Repuke women are just as horrible.
JGabriel
Buffalo News via John Cole @ Top:
Sharron Angle Floated ‘2nd Amendment Remedies’ For ‘Harry Reid Problem’ – HuffPost
Crowd Cheers as “R” Candidate Calls for Armed Revolution:
Rand Paul:
Donald Trump, Current Republican President-Electoral of the United States:
Hey, remember that mailer Palin sent out with gun-scope cross-hairs superimposed over Gabby Giffords congressional district?
And yet it’s the Democrats who have to tone down the rhetoric? Right.
The Dangerman
Both Rand Paul and Trump made cutesy comments about 2nd Amendment solutions, but they forgot there are some armed loonies on the Left, too. Pardon the mixed metaphors, but playing with matches while the loonies, Left or Right, are listening, is dangerous. Too late with toning down the rhetoric, motherfuckers.
JGabriel
@Villago Delenda Est:
“I have the loveliest hounds, Mr. Collins. Come along, you can feed them.”
efgoldman
@jl:
For some definition of “think” that doesn’t include a rational cognitive process, and some version of “funny” that MOST definitely doesn’t induce laughter.
Mary G
There is no low to which these people will not stoop.
Morzer
This is an excellent illustration of why you can’t trust the Never Trumpers like Rick Wilson and John Schindler who are very temporarily on the side of good against Trump. Once Trump has gone, they’ll scurry back to their own particular variety of right wing extremism – complete with slobbering cries of delight directed at the next right wing crazy to to call for use of 2nd Amendment “rights” against Democrats.
efgoldman
@Smiling Mortician:
I would not be surprised to find out he’s never voted at all in his life.
efgoldman
@Mary G:
Right. Just as the Peak Wingnut event is always over the horizon but never reached, so with nadir wingnut.
Of course, it’s impossible to tell them apart.
Omnes Omnibus
Hey, assholes, why don’t you call back your flying monkeys?
Mnemosyne
I am So. Fucking. Sick. of this both sides do it, but Democrats are worse bullshit that the media spreads around without challenge. The MSM is constitutionally incapable of accepting that Republicans are literally howling for blood right now.
LurkerNoLonger
I hate these people more than words typed on the internet can convey.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Yep.
Morzer
@Mnemosyne:
To be fair, many Republicans are also calling for brains. Nom, nom, nom!
kindness
Maybe we can use this to get Republicans to admit some people shouldn’t own guns. Seems to me they’d have to agree or they don’t really stand for anything at all but bloviating.
Morzer
@kindness:
Not going to happen. The Testament of Wingnut is quite clear that the correct answer is always more guns in the hands of good white men.
efgoldman
@Morzer:
Since that’s the only way they’re going to get any….
BBA
@kindness: “Well of course those people shouldn’t own guns. Doesn’t everyone know that?”
Eric U.
@efgoldman:
I saw a report that he had taken a Democratic ballot in the primary. Is this a public record? Didn’t see if he voted in the general.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
The 500+ comment thread below was a spat over this article in the Nation. I don’t disagree with its overall point that even small amounts of violent rhetoric are bad, but I got pissed off at the writer’s saying that Hillary’s talking about the “basket of deplorables” behind Trump was just as bad as Trump talking about immigrants being rapists and killers, so therefore both sides need to tone down the rhetoric. What the ever-loving fuck?
Villago Delenda Est
@Omnes Omnibus: I understood that reference!
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: I don’t have the time to read that.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
The article is pretty short and does have a few good points if you can skim over the stupid part about Hillary.
No need to read the comment thread since I already gave the Cliffs Notes version.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: You mentioned 500+ comments. If I wasn’t in early, I won’t come in late.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mnemosyne: This is why I have my nym. Once the neo-NSDAP is destroyed, the Village must be.
Suzanne
@kindness:
They’ll say that Democrats and black people shouldn’t have them. Republicans and toddlers and white dudes (redundant) are OK.
Felanius Kootea
@Smiling Mortician: He voted for Obama and was definitely a Dem. He was the kind of Democrat that very few expect: outspoken against tax breaks for m/billionaires (there’s pictures of him holding protest placards from back in 2012), rabidly anti-Trump and anti-Republican, had a valid firearm license, was a foster parent multiple times over, signed petitions against a gas pipeline between Michigan and Ohio, posted cartoons lampooning Steve Scalise, was a violent misogynist with a prior record of anger issues and domestic violence arrests (against his daughter) and a previous history of taking a potshot at someone (the boyfriend of a woman he punched). His misogyny is probably what made it impossible for him to back Hillary. What he did was reprehensible but also a wake up call. I hope that Republicans begin to realize that their second amendment rhetoric isn’t only heard by people on the right. I was shocked to find out that a guy like this exists on “our side” but there it is and there are probably more like him.
Mnemosyne
@Felanius Kootea:
There are a lot more misogynists on the left than most people are willing to acknowledge, and a lot of people get very angry, very fast, when you point it out.
The guy was officially an independent, not a Democrat, which seems somewhat significant to me. There is a fairly significant overlap between left-libertarians and right-libertarians, and one of the big areas of overlap is in misogyny.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mnemosyne: There’s a lot of racism, too, which taints the Berniebros, as they sometimes exhibit both tendencies.
Felanius Kootea
@Mnemosyne:
Good point.
I still hope the idiots on the right trying to turn this into the Reichstag Fire back down before it’s too late. Germany didn’t have as many legally armed citizens on all sides, as the US does. This could get really, really ugly very quickly.
Mnemosyne
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yup. I don’t know how anyone who claims to be on the left could look at how Obama was treated and not see the racism, but they do exist, and there’s a fair amount of overlap with the people who similarly just can’t see the misogyny in how Hillary was treated.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mnemosyne: the thread of retweets was too long for me to follow all the way, but apparently a bunch of BBs were threatening Joan Walsh and her dog on twitter last night
Russ
I’d ask any republican, is there any situation that more guns would make it better, besides war?
SFAW
@Russ:
“All of them, Katie.”
You may think I’m joking. I’m not. [Except that I’d replace “republican” with “right-winger” in your question/comment.]
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
Well, there wouldn’t be, “if Hitlary weren’t such a castrating bitch.”
randy khan
I think my response to any Republican who says that Dems should tone down their rhetoric would be “You first.”
SFAW
@randy khan:
You’re a lot nicer than I would be.
JGabriel
@randy khan:
Seconded.
D58826
From Cole’s earlier thread. I think all security should be pulled from all of these critters. They and the their state level equivalents have become lap dogs for the NRA. They have created a situation where the average citizen is a sitting duck for every angry nut with a gun. So Congress critters – no security and join the rest of us in the duck pond that you helped create.
Along the same line as more and more of the rightwing critters blast the democrats my ‘what you do to the least of my children’ reservoir is rapidly draining when it come to Steve Scalise. He supports dropping 23 million people from heath care coverage and doubling the number of kids w/o coverage, so while I haven’t yet gotten to point of wishing for a bad outcome, I really will not shed any tears if it happens. As to his family, well maybe they can seek some comfort from the parents of the 20 first graders at Sandy Hook that the GOP doesn’t give a rats rear end about. It was the RW that ridiculed Obama for tearing up when talking about those babies and now they want us to honor their tears for one of their own. NO F** WAY.
D58826
THe critter seems to have forgotten:
1. Trump suggesting a 2nd amendment solution would be appropriate to prevent Hillary from selecting federal judges
2. Der Fuhrer’s butler suggesting hanging Clinton/Obama w/o losing his job
3. Ted Nugent, who has been issuing death threats against Obama and Clinton for the past 8 years scored a WH dinner with Der Fuhrer. And at that dinner he and the wacko from Wassilla staged a disrespectful selfie in from the First Lady Clinton’s portrait.
4. The one flagrant example of inappropriate speech by a prominent liberal, Kathy Griffin, was quickly shut down by liberal Hollywood celebs, democrats and various gig’s cancelling her appearances.
But by all means D’s and the political left tone it down and be oh so respectful
D58826
From a Navy vet on gun control ‘ I’m all for good guys with guns, so long as they are both background-checked and well-trained. I know from my time in the Navy that an untrained good guy with a gun can be as bad as a bad guy with one.
Radiumgirl
@Felanius Kootea: Why should you be shocked? Unbalanced people come in all stripes, of all political persuasions. But yes, this incident ought to demonstrate that perhaps some people should not have easy access to guns and certainly not to automatic rifles. However I fear the R’s will simply conclude that it means they need to be packing 24-7.
TenguPhule
@kindness:
Republicans: Sure! Blacks, Browns, Muslims, Asians and Democrats should not own guns. A crime punishable by death!