Greetings, Comrades, from the Heartland

Oh, my:

Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept.

The top-secret National Security Agency document, which was provided anonymously to The Intercept and independently authenticated, analyzes intelligence very recently acquired by the agency about a months-long Russian intelligence cyber effort against elements of the U.S. election and voting infrastructure. The report, dated May 5, 2017, is the most detailed U.S. government account of Russian interference in the election that has yet come to light.

There is speculation that this arrest is related to the leaked document:

That should make this week’s Rogers and Comey testimony interesting, to say the least.






140 replies
  1. 1

    I’m gonna withhold judgment on all this until I hear what Snowden has to say.

  2. 2
    Adam L Silverman says:

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-government-contractor-georgia-charged-removing-and-mailing-classified-materials-news

    Department of Justice
    Office of Public Affairs
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Monday, June 5, 2017
    Federal Government Contractor in Georgia Charged With Removing and Mailing Classified Materials to a News Outlet

    A criminal complaint was filed in the Southern District of Georgia today charging Reality Leigh Winner, 25, a federal contractor from Augusta, Georgia, with removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet, in violation of 18 U.S.C. Section 793(e).

    Winner was arrested by the FBI at her home on Saturday, June 3, and appeared in federal court in Augusta this afternoon.

    “Exceptional law enforcement efforts allowed us quickly to identify and arrest the defendant,” said Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein. “Releasing classified material without authorization threatens our nation’s security and undermines public faith in government. People who are trusted with classified information and pledge to protect it must be held accountable when they violate that obligation.”

    According to the allegations contained in the criminal complaint:

    Winner is a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation assigned to a U.S. government agency facility in Georgia. She has been employed at the facility since on or about February 13, and has held a Top Secret clearance during that time. On or about May 9, Winner printed and improperly removed classified intelligence reporting, which contained classified national defense information from an intelligence community agency, and unlawfully retained it. Approximately a few days later, Winner unlawfully transmitted by mail the intelligence reporting to an online news outlet.

    Once investigative efforts identified Winner as a suspect, the FBI obtained and executed a search warrant at her residence. According to the complaint, Winner agreed to talk with agents during the execution of the warrant. During that conversation, Winner admitted intentionally identifying and printing the classified intelligence reporting at issue despite not having a “need to know,” and with knowledge that the intelligence reporting was classified. Winner further admitted removing the classified intelligence reporting from her office space, retaining it, and mailing it from Augusta, Georgia, to the news outlet, which she knew was not authorized to receive or possess the documents.

    An individual charged by criminal complaint is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some later criminal proceedings.

    The prosecution is being handled by Trial Attorney Julie A. Edelstein of the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Solari of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Georgia. The investigation is being conducted by the FBI.

  3. 3
    MisterForkbeard says:

    Gotta say, seeing Greenwald step in it is kind of a guilty pleasure. I used to really like him, but he’s been on the ridiculous side of things for quite some time.

    HOWEVER: The news report doesn’t say there was collusion, and it doesn’t say whether or not the hacking attempt actually succeeded… and it doesn’t say whether or not it actually influenced the election. Only that the Russians definitely tried (at a government level) to hack our election, presumably in favor of Trump.

    It’s news, but it won’t actually change anything.

  4. 4
    beef says:

    Reality Winner? Seriously?

  5. 5
    rp says:

    Greenwald is downplaying this story on twitter. Very amusing.

  6. 6
    Westyny says:

    I’ve felt I’ve been living in an occupied country since November. But we still have some institutions that are not wholly corrupted or cowed. OTOH m, if Sessions has his way that won’t last. We’re in a race against time.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Reality Leigh Winner

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    ETA: Hello, beef. You type fast.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Junior G-Man) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    security and undermines public faith in government. People who are trusted with classified information and pledge to protect it must be held accountable when they violate that obligation.”

    So when are charges going to be filed against Trump? Oh, wait it’s different because he’s the president. As if that excuses it

  9. 9
    trollhattan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Reality Leigh Winner

    No. Way.
    –Virtual Repose Runnerup

    ETA darn the rest of you to heck.

  10. 10
    TenguPhule says:

    That should make this week’s Rogers and Comey testimony interesting, to say the least.

    Trump “Comey has given his testimony. Now let him try to enforce it! Loserz!”

  11. 11
    MisterForkbeard says:

    @rp: Let me guess: “You can’t trust the NSA’s evaluation of whether or not Russia tried to hack us?” or the tried and true “This doesn’t actually prove anything even if it’s true”?

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku (aka Junior G-Man) 🗳 🌷 says:

    @Smiling Mortician: Someone should start a gofundme for her legal fees. Or is that against site rules?

  13. 13
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Smiling Mortician: I just sent this to my boss and a colleague:

    Also, who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to give anyone named Reality a Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information with Special Access Program access clearance? I’ve never been through the Special Security Officer course and I could have told you that was a bad idea.​

  14. 14
    Keith P. says:

    @Adam L Silverman: The person’s name is “Reality Winner”? WTF??

  15. 15
    lapassionara says:

    @Westyny: This. I want to go back to the universe as it was before November 8, 2017. Who killed the butterfly?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @MisterForkbeard: HOWEVER: The news report doesn’t say there was collusion,

    Yeah, I think collusion is, or now, the wrong focus, which is why I think trump keeps bringing it up, because it would be really hard to prove and he know he never met with Vlad in a small restaurant outside of Brno– because he has no property in central Europe and couldn’t travel that far without pillows he owns. Or a golf cart. We need to find out what Russia did, and then look at whatever turns up while we look. When I say “we”, I mean Mueller, and when I say “need to”, that’s what I think he’s doing. I think trump and Kushner could both be in some serious trouble for how they did business and with whom, especially post-election, but collusion wrt to the campaign, to votes, could be very hard to pin down.

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    NotMax says:

    Drinking game for Comey – every time “I can’t speak about an ongoing investigation” is said.

  18. 18
    p.a. says:

    we have met the enemy and he is… I don’t have enough fingers…

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    Quinerly says:

    @beef:
    You got there first! I might have beat you but had to read it twice. I thought my eyes were fucking with me.😁

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes says:

    Looks like the Intercept accomplished what they wanted – they burned their own source by publishing the image with the creases.

    As a consequence, they spook those with Russia related info from leaking.

  21. 21
    Quinerly says:

    @NotMax:
    Are you trying to kill me? My liver would be talking dirty to me for a week. “Bad liver.”😈

  22. 22
    Westyny says:

    Humbling to reflect on the trans-national effort it took to save us from History’s Greatest Monster.

  23. 23
    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, she was hired in February of this year, so the “in their right mind” contingent among decision-makers had already been right-sized.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    Anyone else think this has a Dan Rather-TANG smell to it?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes:

    Looks like the Intercept accomplished what they wanted – they burned their own source by publishing the image with the creases.

    Mother Russia is probably going to pay them a bonus for that.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    I’m dense, so somebody enlighten me — Reality is on our side, right? The anti-Trump side?

  27. 27
    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes: anyone with Russian info should not be leaking to an asset of Russian intelligence, anyway.

  28. 28
    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Be fair, some people just have incredibly evil parents who name them badly.

  29. 29
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    His first name is Reality??

    Dunno, sounds like a troll name to me.

    Edit: Sorry, HER first name. Gendered assumptions get me every time.

    Another Edit: The hell with all y’all who got there first about the name.

  30. 30
    debbie says:

    Interesting that Putin’s joke of an interview with Megan Kelly aired last night. Was this timing intentional?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “Her”

    /pedant

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    trollhattan says:

    @NotMax: Death Wish, now more than a Bronson snuff flick.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @zhena gogolia: Reality has a well known liberal bias.

  34. 34
    trollhattan says:

    @zhena gogolia:
    Time is on our side. Reality bites (or so I’ve been told). That’s for Doug!

  35. 35
    NotMax says:

    @SiubhanDuinne

    “And this is my brother Fantasy and my sister Utopia.”

  36. 36
    TenguPhule says:

    I miss the days when the Onion was supposed to be satire instead of predicting the future.

  37. 37
    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Glenn Greenwald‏ @ggreenwald May 30

    It is amazing how little condemnation these leaks get. Disclosure of content of intercepted calls is one of the most serious leaking crimes

    TLA‏ @giantcu92 May 30

    Ha! Greenwald decrying leaking? That’s his ENTIRE CAREER!

    Mahogany, MBA‏ @Mahogany1992 May 30

    Especially when Greenwald was in the business of leaking United States documents…hypocritical azzholes…

    So Grfitwald was all for leaking documents from the DNC and John Podesta’s personal email (even though it came from an illegal break-in). But he’s against leaking when it makes Trump and Russia look bad.

    Iron-clad consistency.
    Got it.

  38. 38
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Most of this, without the leaked documentation, has been reported in open source news media for months. Maybe not to this level of granularity and detail. I’ve linked to several of these in some of my maskirovka posts.

    Also, before anyone asks, other than seeing the tweets above summarizing the article, I haven’t read it as I don’t need to know.

  39. 39
    zhena gogolia says:

    So where do we contribute to Reality’s defense fund? (If I’m understanding this story correctly.)

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    I don’t know if anybody else thought of this, but the fist thing that popped into my head was, “Why the hell would Greenwald publish this?”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @NotMax: ah, yes, the Mitford cousins, from the less well-known branch of the family

  42. 42
    TenguPhule says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    It is amazing how little condemnation these leaks get. Disclosure of content of intercepted calls is one of the most serious leaking crimes

    Still too soon to call for Drone Strikes on Greenwald?

    What would it take, a tape of him actually pledging a loyalty oath to Putin?

  43. 43
    zhena gogolia says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Unity and Diana?

  44. 44
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Yeah, caught and corrected.

  45. 45
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Bobby Thomson: This was GG and company burning US sources and methods. Now the question that will have to be asked is whether she sought this job to specifically steal stuff like this and send it to the Intercept.

  46. 46
    Quinerly says:

    @zhena gogolia:
    Pete Williams just reported that Reality’s lawyers say she hopes to put all of this behind her quickly. So maybe it won’t cost us that much.😉

  47. 47
    lamh36 says:

    @Major Major Major Major: So DOJ basically confirms that the document is legit…so confirm Russia hacking during the election..

    And this young woman will likely, get the book thrown at her that they couldn’t throw at Eddie Snow…

  48. 48
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: Yes. Because reality doesn’t care about the comforting lies and myths you tell yourself to justify your beliefs and actions and those of others.

  49. 49
    debbie says:

    Can we all agree 25-year-olds should not receive Top Secret clearance?

  50. 50
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Unity and Diana?

    Mitford sisters, not cousins.

    But you got the political bent right with those two.

  51. 51
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TenguPhule: This is true. I’m not really blaming her for her name.

  52. 52
    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This was GG and company burning US sources and methods

    Deliberately? Or through careless stupidity?

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Recently read Love in a Cold Climate — a comic masterpiece!

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    TenguPhule says:

    @germy:

    Deliberately? Or through careless stupidity?

    How could we tell one from the other?

  56. 56
    JPL says:

    @Bobby Thomson: I do, I do.

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    germy says:

    @lamh36:

    so confirm Russia hacking during the election..

    “Spearfishing” Eric Geller called it.

  58. 58
    bystander says:

    Michael Isikoff is on Wretched Gretchen blaming the attack on Obama. Obama was not forceful enough. Weak, feckless. I’ve hated Isikoff for decades now.

  59. 59
    TenguPhule says:

    @debbie:

    Can we all agree 25-year-olds should not receive Top Secret clearance?

    No. We can’t.

    We can agree all Republicans should never receive clearance. For anything.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I have not reviewed the leaked documents they have posted. But from reading those that have the documents apparently burn US sources and methods. That’s why he did this. As I wrote in comment 38, most of this has been reported in the news though without the granularity for months. Many of those stories I’ve linked to in maskirovka posts.

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    p.a. says:

    What, if any, are the investigative repercussions? Because politically, this is great: more shite on the wall that the Retrumpsters were in with the Russkies (perception= reality *ahem* which has been the Rethug m.o. for decades.)

  62. 62
    Immanentize says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: At this point, I gotta believe Greenwald is literally in the pay of the Russians. Or was he body-centered when he delivered Snowden?

    What does Jane Hamsher say about this?

  63. 63
    zhena gogolia says:

    @bystander:

    Total slimeball.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @debbie: I had one and so did/does virtually every artillery officer and NCO.

  65. 65
    chopper says:

    @Keith P.:

    “Reality Winner” sounds like something trump would name a son.

  66. 66
    TenguPhule says:

    @p.a.:

    What, if any, are the investigative repercussions?

    Intercept can kiss its intelligent sources goodbye.

  67. 67
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: At this point I’m going with the former. They could have curated the document in such a way as to have not done so. That others who have reviewed what they’ve posted indicate that they didn’t, then you have to conclude deliberate.

  68. 68
    TenguPhule says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    But from reading those that have the documents apparently burn US sources and methods. That’s why he did this.

    Our country has dispatched CIA janitors for lesser crimes.

    Just saying.

  69. 69
    germy says:

    Ryan Lizza ✔@RyanLizza

    From @theintercept: “the NSA document was provided to us anonymously. The Intercept has no knowledge of the identity of the source.”

  70. 70
    ruckus says:

    @debbie:
    What do you do for those people in the military who are 18-25 and need a TS clearance to do their job?

  71. 71
    debbie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It’s a different time now, sadly. People can’t be trusted like they used to be.

  72. 72
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: Makes you wonder how they authenticated it.

  73. 73
    debbie says:

    @ruckus:

    I don’t know. How would you fix it so Manning and Snowden couldn’t do what they did?

  74. 74
    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: So the NSA? let’s someone who they know is working for the Intercept? To get her hands on an actual document? Which she then takes to the Intercept which allows the feds to search their offices?

    Man my head aches.

    And he name is Winner. Reality Winner. I think they did curate some of the documents…..

    ETA Who does one think of when one thinks of a Reality (Show) and the word Winner?

  75. 75
    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Makes you wonder how they authenticated it.

    that’s exactly what I was wondering. Doesn’t an anonymous source mean the reporter keeps his/her source anonymous, not “this story I’m reporting; I have no idea who gave it to me” ?

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Quote from a parody-detective novel, from memory: “Yes, my first name is Chance. My parents were in their forties when I was born — they’d have named me Catastrophe, if they knew how to spell it.”

  77. 77
    tobie says:

    Can we use this story to demonstrate the dangers of privatizing government services, utilities, and infrastructure? All day I’ve been trying to think of ways to link the effort to privatize the FAA with debacles like putting the electric grid in the hands of companies like Enron.

    Winner is a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation assigned to a U.S. government agency facility in Georgia.Winner is a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation assigned to a U.S. government agency facility in Georgia.

  78. 78
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Immanentize: This was a contract hire. I have no idea how she was vetted – by either the contractor or the Special Security Officer (SSO) at FT Gordon. Also, we do not know now, and we may never know, whether she sought the job to do something like this or decided on her own to do so after being hired or she was approached to do it.

  79. 79
    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I still don’t get it. She’s part of a plot by GG to obviate the legitimate leaks by the IC?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @debbie: Why set the number at 25? Aldrich Ames was much older than that when he became a traitor. Age has nothing to do with it.

  81. 81
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: I’m not a reporter, but as someone trained to do a niche, fusion type of intel work I’d be hesitant to present anything to anyone if I didn’t know who the source was. Because I wouldn’t be able to validate the source.

  82. 82
    Immanentize says:

    @TenguPhule:

    Intercept can kiss its intelligent sources goodbye.

    Did they ever have any intelligent sources?

  83. 83
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    LOL, what a wonderful opening!

    (For Omnes Omnibus: Almost as good as “He was born with the gift of laughter, and the sense that the world was mad.”)

  84. 84
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: I have no idea why she did what she did.

  85. 85
    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Right. Not seeing much new here other than that there is evidently a classified report that explicitly talks about all these things in one place.

  86. 86
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    And then the murders began…

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Didn’t you see the post the other day about how millennials are killing Applebee’s? Would you trust such people with top secret clearance?

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: All three are good possibilities. Thanks.

  89. 89
    Adam L Silverman says:

    This is an interesting thread from Mark Zaid, one of the top clearance, natsec, and whistleblower attorneys in DC:

    Click over for the rest.

  90. 90
    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    But what do you suspect?

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    Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    As I said above – the Intercept printed it in a way to burn the source and dampen enthusiasm for leaks.

    Always assume the worst with those assholes.

  92. 92
    Adam L Silverman says:

    Also, this:

  93. 93
    germy says:

    Here are two reader comments I found interesting:

    I’ve seen a shift in the Trump support camp over the last 6 months:

    “Malarkey! There’s no evidence the Russians hacked the election” >

    “There was no collusion between the Russians who hacked the election and the Trump camp” >

    “The Russians aren’t so bad compared to Killary!”

    This wasn’t a hack of voting machines. So paper ballots wouldn’t have done a thing. The hacking was directed at voter registration databases. An attack would (did?) consist of things like purging people they ID’d as Dems, changing info so they wouldn’t be able to provide “correct” verifying info when voting, or sending ballots to the wrong place. Which is to say, it would have looked like the ongoing voter suppression efforts the GOP is already engaged in.

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    debbie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Well, I do know that the pre-frontal cortex (center of decision-making, impulse control, and weighing of consequences) isn’t fully developed until the late 20s. I also know that people now are more willing to set aside ethics and honesty than in the past.

    Maybe it’s not just an age thing, but certainly they need a more rigorous screening process.

  95. 95
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: I didn’t go to Applelee’s when I was in my early 20s either. I’ve never gotten over that habit either. Maybe I am not the best judge of this.

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    Immanentize says:

    @germy: That second comment is really frightening. But as a few have said, including Hillary, the Russians would really need some guidance in that kind of effort.

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @debbie: Not possible. No really, it’s not possible. Partly simply because of the default is to classify too much so there’s lots of departments you’d think wouldn’t need that info, that do. Also, a lot of people in the military and doing intelligence analysis simply could not do their jobs without some accessing classified information. Even federal records managers have to have clearances depending on the departments they work with. (Though they’d probably beat your suggested age cut-off because librarians, archivists and records managers are usually older because of second career syndrome and they usually need a Masters degree).

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Yep. The new details would be the granularity of the information.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Michael Isikoff is on Wretched Gretchen blaming the attack on Obama. Obama was not forceful enough. Weak, feckless. I’ve hated Isikoff for decades now.

    if we had gotten in a hot war in Syria, or Ukraine, Putin wouldn’t have launched spear-phishing schemes?

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes:

    Looks like the Intercept accomplished what they wanted – they burned their own source by publishing the image with the creases.

    Not to go all James Angleton, but you have to wonder if this is a set up from the start. Why would anyone leak Russia hacking info to an outlet that is openly hostile to the russia hacking storyline.

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    geg6 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Seriously. Logical thinking must not be his specialty.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: I honestly am not sure. Given what we really know about Snowden, which is that the reported/promoted story/history of what he did, why he did it, when he decided to do it is all BS made up to cover an anti-US infiltration operation and that GG and The Intercept were right in the middle of that garbage I would not be surprised to find that she was approached. If so I also expect that GG will have a cover story in place, as he did for Snowden, and he will try to stick to it. The difference is that unlike Snowden Ms Winner is in custody. And that means it will be harder to maintain the cover story if she was approached and turned.

    Right now all her financials are being pored through. As are her social media and other communications. As well as every connection she’s got trying to map out the who, what, where, why, and when. And they’re going to squeeze her hard. If this wasn’t something she came up with on her own, because she’s in custody and pressure can be brought to bear, then other people are going to be in a world of hurt too.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks.

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    geg6 says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    She’s young. Maybe a Bernista or Paulite. Probably worships Snowden. Thought she had a scoop they’d want. Didn’t really think it through. The Intercept is all the rage with that crowd, you know. I could totally see how it happened, being that I work with hundreds from that age group every day.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: That’s not why you do this type of hacking. You do it to weaponize social media. Think feeding Mercer’s political PSYOPS program at Cambridge Analytica.

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    Shana says:

    @NotMax: Holy crap, we’ll be shitfaced by 11 am. He starts at 10 am right?

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    MCA1 says:

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo fka Edmund Dantes: …to the Intercept, perhaps. Not gonna stop the leaking to the WaPo, the Times, CNN, Newsweek and the host of other places in a race to get the good scoops, who’ve been scrupulous in their protection of sources, though.

  108. 108

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Given what we really know about Snowden, which is that the reported/promoted story/history of what he did, why he did it, when he decided to do it is all BS made up to cover and anti-US infiltration operation and that GG and The Intercept were right in the middle of that garbage

    Wait, what? We know this? How? Where? I want to know more about this!

  109. 109
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That should be “an anti-US” I’ll go back and fix it.

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    @Adam L Silverman:
    Okay, that’s fine, but I want to know when and how we know his cover story is BS. Is there a story you can link me to?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @zhena gogolia: I still don’t get it. She’s part of a plot by GG to obviate the legitimate leaks by the IC?

    or ( and I came in late and tried to follow this conversation backwards) GG is part of a scheme to delegitimize those leaks, whether he knows it or not? (I’m a great believer in the Useful Idiot/Unwitting Pawn Theory, whether it’s GG, Rudi G, or trumpy himself)

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It appears GG burned her by accident:

    Still leaves the question as to why she decided to do this.

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    Well, here it is: the first cyber war; and it has already begun, and so far, we’re losing.

    Whether we ultimately win depends upon whether we can figure out WHAT we are losing.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: used her work computer to email the Intercept? Winner is no super sleuth that’s for sure.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Frank Wilhoit: Well can we start with, we lost our Presidency? Maybe there was no collusion, but it sure feels like Trump knows something happened with Russia to let him win.

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    Immanentize says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, you are a great resource. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, expertise, and time with us.

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    moops says:

    So…GG burned his source in just a single day? Nice. No hidden agenda for that d-bag.

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    Camembert says:

    Why are we hearing about this NOW? Gah.

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    I am so old that I remember when JGC was a GG and Snowden fanboy. Because the dronez..

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    germy says:

    @Adam L Silverman: But did GG have anything to do with the story? He’s not the publisher, just a contributor. I thought the hacking piece was the work of other writers, not him.

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    clay says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve never leaked stolen government documents — and I’ve no intention to — but I have to think I’d do it smarter than she did.

    I wonder if GG will feel guilty over his unintentional (?) burn…

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    different-church-lady says:

    @germy: Greenwald is one of the editors, not just a contributor.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @clay: Does a bear feel pity in the woods?

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    germy says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Greenwald is one of the editors, not just a contributor.

    Was he involved in publishing the story? I was under the impression it was his colleagues, and now he’s busy on twitter saying “we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about this story” etc.

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    germy says:

    saw this comment on LGM

    twbb says:
    June 5, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    The Intercept is a little weird in that it seems their writers have fairly wide discretion to write what they want.

    Like, it used to be constant Russia apologetics from Greenwald, but some of their other writers are all on board the Russiagate train. Like the new hacking stories have 4 authors, none of them Greenwald.

    Speaking of which, I can’t find any recent Greenwald stories. I think something may be up, because he used to post constantly.

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    Ruckus says:

    @debbie:
    You can not.
    I believe that too much is secret and there are way too many people with clearance to really control it. But you still have to have secrets and you still have to have people with clearances. Many people in the military need clearances to do their jobs and most of the enlisted people are going to be under 25. I had a TS clearance at 21. It’s the way the world works. Not all the under 25 yr olds are a clearance risk. And it’s that word, risk. There will always be one. No matter the age of the people with the clearance. dumpf is 70 and my dog is a dramatically better risk than he is. Yet he has far more than a basic clearance. Hell, my dog would be a better president than dumpf, let alone a better clearance risk.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to give anyone named Reality a Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information with Special Access Program access clearance?

    Hell, they trusted me with SCI clearance, a few careers ago.
    No-one ever asked, “Are you qualified in psychology, with experience in psychometrics?” before my psych evaluation.

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    Josie says:

    @Anne Laurie: I laughed out loud at this, possibly because I had my youngest at the age of 41.

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    Josie says:

    @bystander: Isikoff is an asshole and has been for a very long time

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @rp: Greenwald is a joke.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Immanentize: Yep.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @debbie:

    How would you fix it so Manning and Snowden couldn’t do what they did?

    By making examples of them.

    “You may steal for the Russians, but you will never live to enjoy the fruits of your crime.”

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    misterpuff says:

    @debbie: Hey you kids. Stop leaking on my lawn!

    I mean its like a whole generation distrusts the government and the Russians. Their ideas are intriguing to me. I wish to subscribe to their newsletter.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Immanentize: @Frankensteinbeck: You’re quite welcome. Fortunately there is open source material that can be shared.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @germy: I have no idea. Perhaps a more accurate way of phrasing it is that The Intercept burned her when they contacted the government in an attempt to validate the information she passed them.

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    nightranger says:

    The Intercept…lol.

    I knew wrong way Cole still has a man crush on Griftwald.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Josie:

    Isikoff made his bones on Whitewater and somehow was never discredited when the whole thing fell apart.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks for the linkies. #4 in the House report was obvious (to me) from his first interview with the SCMP. He’s a liar, and he never should have been trusted by BAH, or anyone else, with a position of trust under the United States. He did a lot of damage to our politics, also too.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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