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— Jared Diamond (@jareddiamond) May 30, 2017
Details probably already known to all you comix aficionados, from the Hollywood Reporter:
The first weekend in June will belong to Wonder Woman.
Not only does the iconic superhero have her own Warner Bros. movie opening June 2, but DC Entertainment has declared the following day “Wonder Woman Day,” with more than 2,000 comic book stores, bookstores and libraries participating in a celebration of the beloved character. DC will partner with outlets including Barnes & Noble, Books-A-Million, Walmart, Costco and Amazon for exclusive in-store and digital promotions, while Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment and Warner Bros. Consumer Products will also push the event…
Wonder Woman Day concludes DC’s yearlong celebration of the 75th anniversary of Wonder Woman’s first appearance. The hero debuted in 1941’s All-Star Comics No. 8. In addition to the release of her first solo movie, June 2017 also marks the 75th anniversary of the first solo Wonder Woman comic book.
Apart from planning for the weekend, what’s on the agenda for the day?
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The Trump campaign is taking the @birchbox subscription approach, introducing the "big league box" pic.twitter.com/41zUCxAlYA
— Betsy Klein (@betsy_klein) May 29, 2017
“Birchbox co-founder”:
I DO NOT endorse this use (actually, misuse) of the @birchbox business model… https://t.co/gvUKc7yLLw
— Hayley Bay Barna (@hayleybay) May 30, 2017
Baud
Donald Trump don’t care.
OzarkHillbilly
WTF is a birchbox?
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: You ask what we are all thinking.
Kay
The NYTimes political team believe there was no “anti-Clinton strategy” – okey doke.
They must have also missed the constant accusations that she committed crimes, the 16 months of blanket coverage of the email server and the daily chants of “lock her up”.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
No fair! When is Hollywood going to make a movie with male superheroes?!?
/Men’s Rights loons
Janelle
A Birchbox is a monthly package filled with cofveve.
Janelle
@OzarkHillbilly: A Birchbox is a monthly package filled with cofveve.
Baud
@Kay: Exactly what I expect a co-conspirator in the anti-Clinton strategy to say.
Immanentize
@Kay:
When did that happen? What the heck is she talking about? Minimum wage?
Baud
@Immanentize: Dems have been moving left since at least 2008. Whether it contributed to our losses is a question for debate among serious people who are not associated with the NYT.
debbie
I cannot believe that big box thing isn’t some kind of violation of election law.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Anne Laurie
@OzarkHillbilly:
It’s a beauty-samples-of-the-month kit. You give them a credit card number, they withdraw some small amount every month ($10?) and send you a pretty box with four or five “curated” sample lipsticks / mascaras / creams. Small indulgence for women who can’t spend long afternoons at a dedicated cosmetics shop, or afford full-sized boutique products that might or might not work for them.
Trump’s knock-off — as with all Trump products — seems to involve sending his ‘subscribers’ leftover campaign swag that didn’t sell at his rallies. And I’m betting, if the scheme actually takes off, it’ll turn out he’s either stealing from his donor’s credit accounts or making it impossible for the dumb marks to cancel once they’ve hit that ‘subscribe’ button…
geg6
@Kay:
Gawd, that Haberman woman is a hack. Guess she must have been blackout drunk throughout the entire election. Which would explain her shitty “reporting.”
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: You forgot BENGHAZI!!!!
Anne Laurie
@debbie:
Quite probably, but who’s gonna stop Trump from doing it?
Kay
@Baud:
It was in response to Dave Weigel, who pointed out that Republicans don’t go after Warren on policy, they go after her for bullshit about Pocahontos or whatever. Which will work because there won’t be any policy discussions.
I get nervous about our emerging kleptocracy and then I read stuff like this, and I realize the Trumps are so full of shit that no one knows how much power or influence these two have and how much of what they do is just self-promotion:
The “meeting with tech leaders to transform government” was just an ordinary part of one section of government under Obama. It would be like “Arne Duncan meets with tech leaders”- one day, one event, for someone who had a whole job. Maybe these two are just screwing around all day “focusing” on small parts of real jobs that other people already do. That would be where you’d stick the nepotism hires.
They’re all so full of shit you can’t tell who is getting played and who are the players.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: Equal rights for all. So so socialistic.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Maggie Hagerman?
Phuck that bytch ???
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly: I dunno. Please explain.
OzarkHillbilly
@Anne Laurie: Thanx Anne, and now I know why I didn’t know.
Yoda Dog
@geg6: Haberman and Cillizza or slitheryn or whatever his name is… Beating the email wardrum every single day to 11/8. And then actin’ like it didn’t happen everyday since.
I just ignore them now entirely. If they couldn’t get hillary v trump right, they’re worthless. I wouldn’t trust them to brew my coffee.
Morning, everyone.
rikyrah
@Kay:
They continue to not accept responsibility for their actions during the campaign ??
bystander
My favorite part is that being called Pocahontas is perceived as an insult by these idiots.
debbie
@Anne Laurie:
The most obnoxious word in the English language at this moment is “curated.”
Ian G.
Good morning, everyone. It’s nice to wake up that typing “c-o” into Google leads to “covfefe” as the top autocomplete, ahead of things like “Costco”, “Con Edison” or “Coachella”.
How am I going to explain these years to my grandchildren?
Kay
@rikyrah:
Have you noticed The Wall has disappeared? The Wall was probably Trump’s biggest promise. I was hoping he’d build it because it would be a disaster and it could be a kind of monument to him. It’s so beautiful- the builder can’t manage to put up a wall. Other Presidents build highways and bridges and power systems- connectivity. Trump builds a wall. I love it as a symbol.
rikyrah
Wonder Woman is already on my schedule for this weekend. Peanut asked me yesterday if WE were going to see it this weekend.?
Baud
@Kay:
All of them, Kay(tie).
Baud
@Kay: And She still isn’t locked up!
satby
@Anne Laurie: you forgot the part where the birchbox’s “curated samples” are obtained as freebies or donations from the companies showcased, and that shipping is also paid by the customer, so that the marks pay almost $20 for four small free samples.
Don’t know why the co-founder is so offended by the Trump team’s imitation, birchbox is pure grift too.
rikyrah
@Kay:
The wall was always a crock. Couldn’t find any GOPers from districts that would be affected by the wall to sign on and pick up the ball to carry it for him. It was nothing but a racist, feel good symbol for the muthaphuckas who voted for him.
Kay
So if Jared makes calls to foreign leaders after Trump trips he’s just doing the work of the President and Sec of State- it’s really just another employee to do or replicate work that is included in someone else’s job.
Obviously it’s to Jared and Ivanka’s advantage to play it up as Big Stuff but maybe as this progresses we’ll find out it’s just more “branding”. I find this comforting because they weren’t elected and no one knows anything about them.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Right, but doesn’t he have to mention it at some point? I mean, my God, we all know he flim-flammed these people but he doesn’t have to rub their noses in it.
satby
@rikyrah: Good morning and co-sign.
Baud
@Kay: If it becomes an issue, Fox News will tell them it’s been built.
rikyrah
@Kay:
The mean Democrats wouldn’t let him build it.
I also want the trade stuff brought up.
Patricia Kayden
@Kay:
What move to the left? What self-inflicted wounds? I really can’t be bothered with the NYT. They’ve hated the Clintons for decades now and are doing a victory lap that they were able to successfully thwart Secretary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
Patricia Kayden
@debbie: It’s OK if a Republican does it. Or so Republicans always tell us.
Lapassionara
@Kay: The first phrase of the block quote is ambiguous, and I am being charitable. “With his wife, Ivanka Trump . . ..”
Aleta
Tom Tomorrow comic
https://thenib.com/stress-test?id=tom-tomorrow&t=author
Kay
@Baud:
You would think The Wall would be like the GOP base’s public option. I would be mad, if I were them and wanted a stupid wall. “Where’s THE WALL?” It’s so perfect for screaming at him. I don’t know that he can lie about the wall, Baud. It’s either there or not.
Kay
@rikyrah:
He’ll skate on trade. Trade is complicated. He’ll spout some bullshit and we’ll never hear another word about it.
I’ve never understood why foreign policy people don’t include trade. It is foreign policy.
Baud
@Kay:
Maybe they are smarter than we are and see the bigger picture.
Woodrow/asim
@satby: As someone who got BirchBoxes (they do male ones, too) for quite awhile and liked them, I really disagree with the implication that they are useless/a scam.
I’ve gotten more than just cheap samples — I got socks I still wear, not-cheap folding sunglasses, items for office — it’s a serious number of items on top of face scrubs and cologne.
It’s not for everyone, but for those who like a variety of items, it’s a fun ride. And if the people pulling it together are making money, and I’m getting value for my purchase, I’m struggling to see the downside.
OzarkHillbilly
So much winning. I’m sick of it.
Tazj
@Kay: That’s funny because I think Republicans believe the anti-Clinton campaign worked.They are trying to use it against Elizabeth Warren.
Baud
@Kay:
I don’t think the metaphysical existence of the Wall is the problem in fooling his voters. It’s that there is some even more racist nutjob out there who will attack Trump from the right on that issue.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Haberman is a completely worthless hack, and she’ll go right on being one because she’s rewarded for that behavior. But her defensive crouch about the election coverage all these months later may indicate she’s aware of her hackitude on some level. It’s like she’s trying to convince herself at this point.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: This.
Baud
@Tazj: It did work.
germy
Scott Pelley is being kicked out of the CBS Evening News?
He was the reason I tuned in every night.
He was actually fact-checking the shitgibbon, coming right out and saying “…which is not true” after he’d quote him. Something I hadn’t seen on a network news broadcast.
They cleaned out his desk while he was away on assignment.
I was hoping to see him return one last time to make a statement, but apparently his ouster is “effective immediately.”
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
C’mon Kay, at this point we all know he can lie about any and everything, reality be damned, and his supporters will continue to support him no matter what.
germy
I watched my local sinclare TV station this morning for traffic and weather, and they didn’t say anything about their new political expert correspondent Boris being questioned.
The anchor DID explain shitgibbon’s odd tweet, however. He said it was a typo for “coverage”
Perfectly normal. Nothing to see here; move along.
Baud
@germy: CBS must be looking to merge with somebody.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Uh uh Kay.
He is the bestest businessman, don’t you know. And, by his sheer brilliance, he was going to redo all those trade agreements that were so unfair. Remember???
rikyrah
@Betty Cracker: I am glad that people keep on bringing receipts to these people.
Baud
@rikyrah: Our receipts are longer than the ones you get at CVS.
ThresherK
@debbie: I dunno, our press corpse coulda done some curating with 10% of the breathless bullshit they passed on about Hillary in the summer and fall.
JMG
@germy: Pelley’s moving into a bigger role at 60 Minutes, or so it is said. CBS doesn’t really have any easy to see anchor replacements for him.
germy
(dailybeast)
germy
@JMG: Anthony Mason might be the guy. He’s always filling in for people like Charlie Rose, etc. Mason seems like he’ll read whatever they put in front of him without making waves.
Aleta
@Kay: > It’s either there or not.
Anyone who believed Mexico would pay for it may not be able to think as clearly as that.
But seriously, since the the wall was an organizing tool to harness the hatred, I fear that any reaction to the unrealized wall will just form as racist and ethnic rage.
satby
@Woodrow/asim: ok,I stand corrected on the contents. I was basing my reaction in the number of times I’ve been asked if I would be interested in contributing “up to 1k samples” for a venture “using the birchbox model” providing “great visibility your business”.
It’s the new Nigerian email for small businesses.
germy
@Aleta:
Maybe they can plant a hedge. Some nice shrubbery.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Woodrow/asim: Doesn’t sound like a new business model. Sounds to me like one of those Book-of-the-Month Club deals. I belonged to one for sci-fi many years ago. The deal was they’d send you a couple per month and bill you if you didn’t return them by a certain time. And of course I rarely did, due to (a) laziness and (b) they tended to be damned good books.
They weren’t books I would have known about or bought on my own as a general rule. I’m sure the business model counted on both the laziness and falling in love factors. So what? All of those books, with few exceptions, are treasured parts of my collection.
SFAW
@debbie:
Beat me to it. FSM, I hate that word.
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: I have just the guys to plant that shrubbery.
Kay
@Aleta:
Good point. Probably. But no wall is better than wall and if the opposition can also tamp down enthusiasm in the GOP base that’s a plus.
efgoldman
@Patricia Kayden:
Meanwhile, WaPo is taking the grey lady’s lunch money, giving her a wedgie, and stuffing her in a locker on the *actual news*.
donnah
@germy:
I am a huge fan of Scott Pelley! I wrote to CBS recently to express my support of him on the evening news and posted on his facebook page that I consider him to be a relevant, dedicated reporter.
dammit!
SFAW
@JMG:
Rumor has it they’re in talks with Tucker Carlson, Matt Drudge, and Zach Ailes. It’s apparently an attempt to connect with the economically-anxious WWC. They wanted what’s-his-name Spencer, but Fox already scooped him up.
Aleta
@germy: Good choice. Who doesn’t like shrubbery.
Cheryl Rofer
Reports coming in that Trump has decided to withdraw the US from the Paris climate agreement. There were a flurry of reports over the weekend, and he famously changes his mind, so I am watching and waiting until something official comes out.
Iowa Old Lady
I used to look at Trump’s twitter feed each morning hoping for laughs, but I can’t do it any more. It’s just predictable and depressing.
OzarkHillbilly
Rep. Elijah Cummings gets real:
Kay
@germy:
The Wall is a spite fence:
Once you see one you recognize them. Everyone wrings their hands over people getting elected around hate but Trump is the first politician in my memory to focus EXCLUSIVELY on nasty, mean-spirited…uselessness.
Patricia Kayden
@efgoldman: Although I find some of the Washington Post’s writers to be annoying, overall I’m satisfied with their pre-election and post-election coverage and am glad that I’ve been a WP subscriber since 2000. They need our support. NYT can kick rocks.
tobie
@Patricia Kayden: It’s amazing to me how much the Hillary haters blame Hillary and the Dems for losing to Trump and never once ask what role their reflexive hate of Hillary and the Dems played in this debacle.
I mistakenly checked out Tom Nichols a.k.a. Radio Free Tom’s twitter feed this morning and saw how even right-wingers who hate Trump are already working themselves up for a hate-fest against Elizabeth Warren. Kinda scary. I’m not a big Warren fan but the vitriol against her is intense. Strong leftwing women (Hillary, Pelosi, Warren) are a real threat to the psyches of right-wing men.
Aleta
@Kay: Yeah, maybe failed promises will lead back to voter apathy for some.
satby
@Cheryl Rofer: can he unilaterally withdraw from a treaty?
germy
@OzarkHillbilly:
Those are exactly the characters I was thinking of. Nee!
sherparick
@Kay: The NY Times political desk is simply in denial on the role they played in electing Trump and torpedoing Clinton. Her e-mails were their big story for 18 months. I would like to know where Maggie Haberman has any data or evidence that the Democrats move “Left” cost them votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. I thought all the articles were that the white working class were turned on on Hillary and coastal democrats because of “free trade” and pro-banker polices while their factor jobs wandered off to China and Mexico. Also, what is Trump “megaphone” but New York Times code word for the racial loudspeaker, as opposed to dog whistles of other Republicans, which is the authentic part of Trumpism.
Patricia Kayden
@Aleta: Tom Tomorrow is a national treasure. He keeps us sane and laughing when all we want to do is curl up and cry. And yes, it does feel like this is a Twilight Zone episode gone horribly wrong.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@SFAW: I know that was snark, but now I’m depressed contemplating the very high likelihood that Zach Ailes, not yet 18, has a guaranteed slot on the wingnut welfare circuit for life. And probably will have regular slots on The NY Times and/or MSNBC before the year ends.
efgoldman
@Patricia Kayden:
Things going horribly wrong was pretty much Serling’s whole premise for Twilight Zone.
tobie
@satby: Yes, because the treaty wasn’t ratified by the Senate (two-thirds majority required). The Paris Accord was written in a way to make it possible for the US to sign on to it without having to go to Congress for approval. The world was aware of the situation Obama was facing on the hill.
SiubhanDuinne
@SFAW:
Zach Ailes is 17 years old.
Cheryl Rofer
@satby: It’s not a treaty, but rather an agreement. The US hasn’t signed on to a treaty in a long time because the Republicans in the Senate think that we are giving up our precious sovereignty in treaties and so won’t vote for ratification. That started at least with the Comprehensive Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty in 1999. A notable current treaty that (I think) hasn’t been brought to the Senate because the outcome is obvious is the Law of the Sea treaty. What this refusal to join treaties does is to lock the US out of important discussions and decisions, but the Repubs don’t care.
I’m not sure exactly what the procedure for taking the US out is. The goals stated in the Paris agreement are voluntary, so it’s one more example of Trumpian/Republican pique and desire to bust up the world order.
SiubhanDuinne
@SFAW:
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I didn’t pick up on the snark at all.
I need covfefe.
Jeffro
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
=)
Aleta
@tobie: It’s terrifying, and it increases permission for verbal attacks on random women in public.
Yet many of these right wing men are depending on competent women to keep their overall shit together.
Patricia Kayden
@tobie: I find it strange that sexism worked so well against Secretary Clinton but racism didn’t work (not enough to hurt) against President Obama twice. Leads me to believe that sexism may be a problem within the Democratic party as well. Unfortunately.
satby
@tobie: fun bit of anecdata: we’ve noticed in the doctor’s office that a certain subset of middle aged white guys have become quite aggressively, premptorily rude about things like the small indignities of providing ID and insurance cards (if they intend to use insurance), or in taking some of the pre-screenings. They don’t just decline, they to do so in the most borderline abusive way possible.
I’m confident that it’s not isolated occurrences.
Jeffro
This guy…or rather, the author of this book: Destined for War-Can American and China Escape Thucydide’s Trap?…had an op-ed in the NYT earlier this week. The op-ed focused a little more specifically on the problem of a nuclear-tipped-ICBM-armed North Korea, and how the U.S. and China might agree to some trade-offs in order to denuclearize the Korean peninsula and reunify the country.
It was really fascinating. The idea is, China buys off the Kim family and its retainers and agrees to denuclearize the DPRK, while reunifying the country under a Bejing-friendly government. (No note what ‘friendly’ means, exactly, but still). For its part, the U.S. simply…leaves.
There’s no point in stressing about it while the Dolt 45 maladministration is still upright, but it strikes me as something that could be done in the next administration, D or R. Here’s hoping brighter minds than mine figure it out, and soon.
(Also: “Thucydide’s Trap”? Couldn’t he just have said “Can American and China Avoid the (almost) Inevitable?”)
Patricia Kayden
@efgoldman: There were a few funny episodes like the one with Carol Burnett and there were a few wistful episodes about older folks missing their childhood. I’m not seeing much joy since Trump’s election and he keeps dragging us down further and further. An endless nightmare. Sigh.
satby
@Patricia Kayden:
Huh, ya think? After May, that was s.o.m.e.b.o.d.y.’s entire candidacy.
lollipopguild
@germy: A selection of roses would be nice.
tobie
@satby: Oh, the indignities of having to show an insurance card. Geez. This reminds me of the incident recently where an elderly white man in a MAGA hat claimed three coach seats for himself on a flight from China to the US because he wasn’t granted an upgrade. The self-entitlement knows no bounds.
MattF
@Anne Laurie: Goes without saying that it’s a scam of some sort– details will follow shortly, no doubt.
As for the movies, I’m happy that WW has gotten good reviews, and plan to see it– tho maybe not this weekend.
OzarkHillbilly
@germy: “Icky icky bingbwooooong”
LurkerNoLonger
@geg6: One of the many reasons why I hate Twitter is 140 characters is not enough to intelligently discuss the varied reasons for the outcome of the 2016 election. Habberman comes off sounding like an idiot.
Patricia Kayden
@satby: To be honest, I didn’t think it was a problem for our side. I guess I expect that we are better than that.
bystander
Axios is reporting that Trump is pulling us out of the Paris Accord.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: Zach Ailes was going to go after all those women at fake news who did his father wrong and Hell was coming with him.
Sab
@tobie: Why aren’t you a Warren fan? Any specific reason?
Peale
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m guessing that pulling out willl be followed by some stupid measure to purposefully flout our new Freedom. Like announcing that the new 600 ship navy he wants will run on coal.
germy
Important to note that these people see voting rights as “racial entitlements.”
sherparick
@germy: I don’t know if I am typical for my age group, but I don’t watch either local news or broadcast news shows anymore. I was once a regular as clockwork watching these shows with my parents in the 1960s through the 1980s. I moved to Germany, and to some extent watched the equivalent shows on German TV (it helped with my German), but started relying more on radio, and then the internet came along and that has become my news source. I get the weather news from the weather apps and weather channel, and sports from sports apps and blogs. And of course for political news I now scan this blog and a favorite list that starts with Atrios and goes to the Washington Monthly. Local news I digitally subscribe to the local papers. With the major American media dominated by 4 media conglomerates whose business model is to reduce news and politics to entertainment, a trend that has climaxed with our first Reality Show President, for the sake of maximizing profit, and local news, both radio and TV controlled by right wing conglomerates (Sinclair Broadcasting and Clearchannel), all I can do is simply not watch, not give them my eyeballs to monetize.
germy
@lollipopguild:
He doesn’t like the women who complained about the harassment.
gene108
@Cheryl Rofer:
The whole right-wing infrastructure- media, think tanks, lobbying groups, etc – seem intent on making sure America becomes a second rate power, by stirring up voters to keep voting for politicians that promise greater and greater isolation from the international order.
I await the day, when MNC’s tell the US they will only sell us goods that use the metric system, because we aren’t worth the trouble to make special products using the old British system of weights and measures.
Right-wing minds will explode with rage.
Cheryl Rofer
@Peale: The thing is that economics are leading away from coal. Natural gas from fracking, cost of solar and wind decreasing. And it will take several years at least to refit ships for coal or build new ones.
The not-so-bad news is that the economy will probably move in that direction anyway. Withdrawing from the Paris agreement is simply a statement that America is withdrawing from the world and any movement for a better tomorrow. We join Nicaragua and Syria as the three nations outside it.
rikyrah
@Patricia Kayden:
Because White women chose race over sex.
This is the bottom line.
If White women had voted along the lines of even Asian women…
Hillary would be President.
I always put the onus on White women, because White men didn’t ever lie during the 2016 – Hillary KNEW she wasn’t going to get them. It was obvious from the get go, and they were honest in the polling.
White women were not.
tobie
@Patricia Kayden: @satby: So true. I have a purity-pony, feminist friend whom I was convinced would vote for that other candidate in the primary in CA but ended up supporting Clinton because she couldn’t believe a man would waltz in and just assume he was more qualified for a job than a woman had spent decades learning the ropes. I think sexism is such a threat precisely because it’s rarely recognized as such.
Jeffro
Btw after reading this at Vox – The Bullshitter In Chief
I read this at WaPo – Trump’s aides are starting to rival their boss when it comes to praising him
…and it all fits together. Trump’s so unwedded to the truth, yet demands that his staff echo his nonsense, that he demands “second-order bullshit” in order to test his staffers’ loyalty.
and as Vox puts it, “The growing bullshit zone threatens reality”
And on and on it goes. Fortunately, as we saw with the WH comms director resigning abruptly, there’s only so much that most wingers can take before fleeing for their own sanity, much less future careers.
And thus we see why this is the ultimate Cleek’s Law administration, the logical endpoint of the modern GOP. As the Vox article puts it,
Cheryl Rofer
@gene108: LOL
We’re one of the few nations still stuck in that mindset too.
satby
@tobie: it’s open season to be an asshole, courtesy of the successful selection of the asshole in chief.
rikyrah
@Cheryl Rofer:
And their stupid ass voters don’t understand the ramifications.
People writing about the ‘ End of the American Century’, and what that means, and those simple simon muthaphuckas think that orange clown was a success on the trip.
Their vessel for White Supremacy is an international embarrassment.
OzarkHillbilly
@LurkerNoLonger: Her in fact being an idiot might have something to do with that.
tobie
@Sab: I’m just not moved by populism. Nor the claims of authenticity that are more often than not cultivated poses. That said, if Warren’s the nominee in 2020 I’ll work my heart out for her.
FlipYrWhig
@sherparick:
IMHO Haberman is accidentally right. I guaran-damn-tee you that virtually no one in the white working class cast any votes because of what Democrats or Hillary Clinton did or didn’t do in regard to trade or banker anything. That’s lefty fantasy of the impassioned Sandernista sort. What they voted on was resentment that under Obama there was too much fuss about black people, brown people (migrants and refugees, lumped together), and gay people, a/k/a “identity politics,” which Haberman is calling a move left. There were BlackLivesMatter protests and the White House was lit up in a rainbow and Obamacare happened, which they think was a new form of welfare. IOW, there were signs, both accurate and speculative, of a cultural move left, not an economic move left. And that’s what led to Trump. And if not for James Fucking Comey, we would have squashed that ignorant dumbass and all the ignorant dumbasses who worship him anyway.
gene108
@Cheryl Rofer:
Not being on the metric system and Celsius temperature scale really isolates us. It makes basic communication with the outside world harder.
In America it is a chilly 40 degree day. For the rest of the world 40 degrees is scorching hot.
eric
@FlipYrWhig: yes, yes, and yes. They resented not getting a bigger christmas present than their siblings. Why did the “other” have to get anything at all, especially something they did not earn.
ETA: This is the crux of the racism / economic divide. The concerns maybe about money (economic), but their focus is on people of color (racism). Most are fed daily tropes from FOX and race-hucksters in the GOP. It was this divide that Sanders and his people refused to see. It does not minimize the “class” message to know that the fears are disproportionately directed at race and gender.
NotMax
Impossible to open up any early issue of Wonder Woman penned by her creator without finding it awash in blatantly depicted bondage and S&M scenes. William Moulton Marston had a serious kink fetish. Artist H. G. Peter’s rather bizarre art nouveau meets primitivism style emphasized these motifs even more.
bemused
@satby:
I believe it! Older crabass white guys who resented feeling stifled now think they are justified in being as rude and crotchety as they want to be. They got their “power” back!
OzarkHillbilly
@tobie:
I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that a politician would cultivate a pose.
Cheryl Rofer
@gene108: Yes. As a scientist, I’ve gotten accustomed to the metric system, although still a little uncomfortable with Celsius in weather reports. But I estimate it would take me about a month to fully convert.
Sab
@tobie: I don’t think her populism is a cultivated pose. She has been working with consumer credit issues and bankruptcy issues since the 1980s. I used to work in that field and it’s just heartbreaking.
She also did pull herself up by her own bootstraps, so she knows how hard that is. She eventually taught at Harvard, but she certainly didn’t start out in those circles.
There seems to be this framing of older, successful women as shrill, because they are speaking up, and inauthentic, because they aren’t poor and struggling. So whenever they work their way to a position where they can be heard, their success is treated as automatically disqualifying them to speak for progressive issues.
gene108
@Cheryl Rofer:
Temp is simple. Distances will take me time to get adjusted to.
Quick way to do temps is (F-30)/2=C. (70-30)/2 = 20C. Not exact, but good enough to know what to wear.
Reverse it to get F. (C*2)+30=F. (20*2)+30=70.
Cheryl Rofer
@gene108: It’s the immediate response/ intuitive feeling that I haven’t quite gotten to for temperature. For some reason, being in other countries has accustomed me to kilometers easily, but not temperature.
Miss Bianca
@NotMax: Ooh, if I hadn’t wanted to revisit early WW before, you’ve certainly made me want to do so now! ; )
Ruviana
@Woodrow/asim: They also do, or someone does, Barkboxes for dogs. My SIL gets one and the dogs recognize it.
Sab
@gene108: Didn’t you post a similar comment about a year ago? I have been having fun doing the conversion in my head ever since. I used to have to use a calculator to do the ×9/5+32 thing.
satby
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m the opposite, I have adjusted to the temperature conversion but kilometers still aren’t an easy conversion.
Though I use ml all the time in my soapmaking.
tobie
@Sab:
Yes I know she grew up on the “tattered edge of the middle class,” as I’ve heard her say hundreds of times with utter earnestness. I read her column on TPM when she was still law professor and not a senator. I also watched her rail against TPP, which I think was a terrible mistake, and her efforts to create a special loophole for medical devices, which did weaken the ACA. She’s a politician. I accept that. I’ll vote for her if she’s the candidate and knock on doors for her, too. I’m just not her biggest fan. What’s the big deal about this?
ruemara
@Patricia Kayden: you may have missed a lot of the 2016 campaign, because we have a lot of it.
@rikyrah: Amen.
lollipopguild
@germy: You forgot “I fart in your general direction”.
ruemara
@tobie: Fanboyism in politics. It’s why I don’t answer those why don’t you like X questions.
Amir Khalid
@satby:
If it helps, an inch is about 2.54 centimeters, a foot is about 30.5 centimeters, a yard is about 91.1 centimeters, and a meter is about 39.5 inches. A kilometer is 5/8 of a mile, which means a mile is 1.6 kilometers.
Carolina Dave
@Cheryl Rofer:
An EZ math km to miles, multiply by .6 (really .62) miles to km, multiply by 1.6
Sab
@tobie: Okay. I’ll agree to disagree with you, since you have been following her career. I was just prodding you to see if you were falling for the new Hillary-is-gone-lets-go-after-the-next-target.
Thanks for making the effort to respond. I respect your point of view, as informed and thought out, and presented with civility.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@SFAW: I don’t know, there’s always “authentic”…
Elizabelle
@gene108: Thank you. Looks like a pretty simple conversion.
SiubhanDuinne
@gene108:
@Elizabelle:
Or you could learn the little jingle they used when Canada was converting to metric:
tobie
@Sab: And thank you, too, for your courteousness. I’m glad that we can have differences of opinion on this blog and still see that we’re all pulling on the same rope and share the same aims.
Citizen Alan
@Baud:
I think “the Dems moving left” contributed to our losses only in the sense that the media and the RWNJs consider any leftward movement to be an embrace if Marxism.
Citizen Alan
@Patricia Kayden:
A significant percentage of women benefit from the Patriarchy, or at least think they do. In comparison, the number of minorities who think they benefit from White Supremacy is negligible.
Uncle Cosmo
@Baud: Or they got their
marchingskulking orders from the CCCP (Coordinating Committee of Corrupt Plutocrats), of which Putin & most of the planet’s other major crime cartels are full members. All of whom want nothing more than complete freedom in the transfer & use of capital (“extraterritoriality”), complete immunity for any & all crimes perpetrated by them or their minions (“capitulations”), & the reduction of all sovereign nations to comatose corpses in their basements, kept alive only so they can be tapped for their lifeblood whenever the vampires ruling the world need to slake their thirst.I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again: The Kochroaches & other billionaires are working from the same playbook as Hugenberg, von Papen & the German industrialists who installed that böhmischer Gefreite into the chancellorship – & like the earlier version, they are very unlikely to get what they want for their trouble. “Rossiya-Bratva LLC” – a crime cartel with thermonuclear weapons – does not shrink from murdering its political opponents & it’s only a matter of time before it moves on to eliminating its rivals. The kinder, gentler plutocrats of the old “first world” will either sink to that level, or die.
Neldob
Democrats are more conservative than the so called conservatives. Reality based, fiscally conservative, environmentally, family focused, etc. Proven patriotism. It’s the Republicans who are radical extremists.
Neldob
@FlipYrWhig: Republicans have moved more and more extremely rightward. Democrats standing up for families and civil rights hasn’t changed.