A compost creme pie right inna kisser, and who’s done more to deserve it?
Harvard studies press coverage of Trump, finds CNN & NBC coverage is 93 percent –yes, 93 percent — negative. https://t.co/rXiqJwgrlr
— Byron York (@ByronYork) May 20, 2017
Implying Trump should have gotten positive coverage in his first 100 days is like asking why all the stories about Katrina were so sad.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) May 20, 2017
What frustrates me about these studies is the implication that negative correlates with inaccurate. https://t.co/AIlRzzqsU4
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) May 20, 2017
It's kind of funny that the "fuck your feelings" crowd is now complaining non-stop that people aren't being nice enough to dear leader. pic.twitter.com/q5UhuAWJmH
— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) May 20, 2017
schrodingers_cat
Well Byron, tell us what the 7% positive stories are? By the way who names their child Byron.
ETA: Truly, I am perplexed what the positive stories are. Was it Fareed Zakaria gushing about bombs.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
If you had asked me to be a year ago, I would’ve thought Byron York and his hair (does he still have his early nineties Dennis Miller hair?) would be never-Trumpers
Major Major Major Major
Such precious fragile snowflakes.
debbie
Schooley has it exactly right.
Yarrow
Alec Baldwin’s Russian flag pin on his lapel was a nice touch.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I think he was in the beginning.
Iowa Old Lady
Here’s Cohen’s Hallelujah on an old West Wing episode
Leo’s funeral, I think, though I may be wrong.
Another Scott
The opening last night was great, and I’m glad you included Kate’s/Hillary’s version. It’s clear the writers wanted us to remember that. One can easily imagine Donnie trying to upstage her, just as he’s determined to destroy everything about Obama’s legacy (and failing at every turn thus far).
It’s infuriating that he’s in the White House. We’ve mostly been lucky thus far (except for the evil actions with the “travel ban”, “unleashing” of ICE agents, etc.) – but it’s going to get much worse before it gets better even if they’re prevented from actually implementing most of their stupid policies. Nature doesn’t run on our schedule, and chaos loves the vacuum of incompetence almost as much as actual nefarious actions….
(sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
Major Major Major Major
@debbie: partisanship is a hell of a drug.
debbie
@Yarrow:
My tv is too small to pick that up, but definitely a wonderful touch.
Iowa Old Lady
No here’s the one from Leo’s funeral.
Nope, that’s still wrong.
NeenerNeener
@Iowa Old Lady: I think it was the funeral for the Secret Service agent that was dating CJ. SS agent might have been played by Mark Harmon pre-NCIS, but I’ll have to check the IMDB.
Yeah, Harmon was the Secret Service agent. Why I remember that song for his funeral I don’t know, except that my head is filled with TV trivia. Don’t ask me where I left my car keys, though.
Yarrow
I always found it so strange to see the middle-aged and older white people wearing “fuck your feelings” shirts. Still do, looking at that photo. What would they have said or done if their kids had come home from school and said, “Fuck your feelings, Mom!” at them? Those kids would have been grounded for a month. If their little grandkids started using the word “fuck” in casual language in front of grandma and grandpa, I’m sure there would be stern words with the parents. But wearing the word on a shirt in public is just FINE.
Teddys Person
@NeenerNeener: It wasn’t his funeral but the song played over the crime scene and CJ hearing the news as well as Pres. Bartlett deciding whether to have some official from Qumar (the shows stand-in for Saudi Arabia) killed by special forces.
ETA: My head is filled with useless TV trivia too. In addition, I periodically rewatch the West Wing as my liberal political porn.
chris
Here is York’s piece.
He and Harvard are just decrying the end of bothsiderism. Scroom.
Interesting that CBS is leading the charge with 91% negativity. Wow! All that fakery! /S
Edit brain fart
SiubhanDuinne
@Iowa Old Lady:
Nope, I think it was the episode where that nice Secret Service guy who was first protecting CJ, then dating her, was shot and killed in a NYC bodega. But would have to go back and check. I do know it was the first time I ever heard the song, and I was blown away.
Major Major Major Major
@Yarrow: they’re not used to cameras being everywhere and republicans have a very hard time taking responsibility for their own actions. These are folks who think “I didn’t know that microphone was on” is an acceptable excuse for making racist comments.
Splitting Image
The worst thing about the U.S. news media is that seeing that 93% figure doesn’t make them defend the stories they printed as accurate; it encourages them to look for positive stories they can tell to balance it out.
This is why people like Fareed Zakaria swooned over the Syria bombing and called that the point where Trump became president. They will do it over and over each time he manages to take a step without choking on his gum.
NeenerNeener
@Teddys Person: Thanks for the correction. I guess there’s only so much TV trivia that fits in my head now.
Why do I think they used the Rupert Wainwright cover of that song? Or was it the Jeff Buckley version? Maybe it was Buckley for the show and Wainwright for the cd of Shrek, and somebody else’s version for the actual Shrek movie. That song gets covered a lot.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
low energy, terrible
I wonder if the WHO spoke anonymously, or now has to pay his/her own way back from Riyadh
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
They’re missing half of their own phrase. It’s actually, Fuck your feelings — what about my feelings?
debbie
@Iowa Old Lady:
Wow, I cried just watching that.
Woodrowfan
@Yarrow: the T-shirt offends “those people” so it’s okay
Teddys Person
@NeenerNeener: I hope I didn’t come off as a know-it-all. As I said, I’ve rewatched the series many times.
Teddys Person
@NeenerNeener: It was the Jeff Buckley version.
ETA: See Iowa Old Lady beat me to it.
Yarrow
@Major Major Major Major: Maybe. But even old white people who aren’t used to cameras being everywhere would have to know that if they went to a Donald Trump for president campaign rally that there would be a zillion cameras. Half the fun for those people was watching him beat up on the press, who always covered the rallies.
I think they were proud of their shirts. That’s why they wore them. They wanted everyone to see how they felt and what they thought. Which is just bizarre to me because in any other context they’d be horrified to people they know wearing a shirt with the word “fuck” on it in public.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
It a very literal demonstration of privilege. They’re allowed to say “fuck your feelings,” but you’re not allowed to say the same in return. They demand respect towards themselves that they refuse to grant to others. It’s all part of the same pathology.
Splitting Image
@Yarrow:
It’s the end result of 40 years of arguing that the only good abortion is my abortion. Their entire worldview is based on the idea that bad things are only bad when other people do them. When they do it, it is always justified. That’s why every Trump action has a tweet showing him excoriating Obama for doing the same thing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m assuming that these calls can be traced?
NotMax
99% of the reporting about Pearl Harbor was negative toward Japan.
PST
I have watched a few clips of Trump’s speech in Riyadh. I am astounded but not surprised by his implicit disavowal of the position of so many of his supporters that we face a clash of civilizations. McMaster and Bannon must have reacted very differently to passages like this:
President Obama could have said it better and more honestly, but this is a sane way to address the issue, not the usual alt-right bluster favored by the MAGA crowd. Will he lose any of them, are they okay with him acting the grownup abroad as long as he is willing to wind them up with Nuremberg intensity at home? Maybe they only care about having an outlet for their prejudices — actions may be irrelevant.
NeenerNeener
@Teddys Person: Not a problem.
debbie
Here’s Leonard himself singing his song.
He never stopped reworking the lyrics. It was as if he could only explain him to himself through them.
Major Major Major Major
@Yarrow: well, part of what I meant by cameras being ubiquitous is publishing being ubiquitous too. Time was that even at a political rally if it didn’t end up in the paper then it would be in a tin in a filing cabinet in room F in SB2 of the Times building, instead of Twitter. Being in public used to provide anonymity.
Teddys Person
@NeenerNeener: That episode also had one of my favorite Jed Bartlett exchanges.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve wondered why there seem to be so many versions. I mostly know kd lang’s
Major Major Major Major
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: the first cover was IIRC by John Cale. He personally asked Cohen to write out the lyrics for him and got something like 12 or 13 handwritten pages of them.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
I saw Leonard perform this the year before he died. Two great songs ruined for me now. America by S&G was probably my favorite song, now it just means Wilmer. Now Trump gets to smear his feces on this too. He needs to be stopped.
'Niques (lurker; occasional commenter)
@NeenerNeener: My absolute favorite cover is by k.d.lang. Chills.
Mnemosyne
I have an earworm of that 70s song “Brandy.” This is what I get for putting on my Guardians of the Galaxy t-shirt today.
Mike in NC
@schrodingers_cat: “Byron” is a name some douche would name their kid. Kind of like “Baron”, in fact.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Yarrow: He’s aspirational for them. They want (hope he – permanently- gives them) the privilege of engaging in public profanity/bigotry/blatant dishonesty/disregard for laws or rules or conventions, etc. without any consequences. He’s been able to do so, and they want to. Only them, though, not people they don’t like; it’s not a universal privilege.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
weighing in from the well-known commie rag Forbes magazine
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
This. If they didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.
rikyrah
Joy Reid
✔
@JoyAnnReid
Launching her “foundation” WHILE ON THE JOB working for the White House and taking foreign cash to boot. These Trumps are something else. https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/866265974894346240 …
7:47 AM – 21 May 2017
LurkerNoLonger
@Mike in NC: The douche doesn’t fall far from the hole.
rikyrah
Los Angeles TimesVerified account @latimes
Ahead of showdown over who will lead California Democrats, “Berniecrats” have a message: “We don’t have to behave”
rikyrah
NewsweekVerified account @Newsweek
Iran just told Trump to urge Saudi Arabia to prevent the next 9/11 http://bit.ly/2r6jysD
Yarrow
Can’t reply to everyone because I’d go over the link limit, but yeah, it’s a form of privilege that those people can wear that shirt in public. And they expect you to be okay with it. I wonder if they’d wear it to their kids’ schools or to church?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: only corrupt neo-liberals take yes for an answer
Thoughtful David
So, I presume every “both sides” story out of CNN and NBC is counted as a negative story for Trump? If you didn’t count all of those, the proportion of negative stories probably drops down to 50.001%.
rikyrah
Follow the thread:
T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
1) Let’s talk about Trump, Ukraine & Russia & the secret communications w/ entities sanctioned over Ukraine / link:
https://twitter.com/yottapoint/status/866314174133030912?
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: BS supporters are trying to make sure that Democrats lose 2018. Yet people want to give BS the benefit of the doubt regarding his Russian connections. BS wants to do a hostile takeover of the Democratic party. Just like T’s successful hijacking of the R party.
rikyrah
AM Joy w/Joy ReidVerified account @amjoyshow
.@MASHAGESSEN: #Trump’s speech was condescending and insulting on the face of it #AMJoy #TrumpinSaudi
Mnemosyne
@schrodingers_cat:
@Mike in NC:
Hey, now. I know a perfectly nice guy named Byron through work (he’s one of the co-directors of this year’s Oscar winner for Best Animated Feature). Douchiness was a choice on Byron York’s part, not a result of his name.
rikyrah
Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu
Ted Lieu Retweeted The Hill
Dear Mr. Tillerson: Did you help or are you helping @POTUS obstruct justice? Your remarks are deeply troubling. You should consult a lawyer.
rikyrah
Philip RuckerVerified account @PhilipRucker
Sec State Tillerson is holding a news conference right now in Riyadh, per WH pool, but US reporters were not invited or told about it.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
Like I keep saying, the Berniecrats have this weird message that establishment Democrats in California have “failed” even though we have the governorship, every statewide office, and a supermajority in the legislature.
And it’s a very regional split — Northern California is Wilmer-curious, while Southern California keeps rejecting him heartily. It’s not gonna be pretty.
ETA: NorCal is also where the majority of the rich white assholes who refuse to vaccinate their little snowflake babies live so, yeah, fuck those guys.
rikyrah
Glenn ThrushVerified account @GlennThrush
Santorum on @CNN just claimed that Trump’s friendly Riyadh speech negates his ‘Muslim ban’ statements – so courts will now rule in WH favor.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: I hope the “Berniecrats” in CA are like the ones here in FL: meeting-attending Democrats who voted for Sanders in the primary, bitched about the primary outcome a bit but then voted for Clinton in the general. And who are standing along with all Democrats in the resistance.
We can work with folks like that. But if they’re cultists like that Jabbablob Huffart Barfnow asshole who shows up here occasionally, I’m still not too worried. Like I told that asshole, those fart-huffers couldn’t take over an unattended tofu kiosk — too much work!
What say you, Californians?
Smiling Mortician
@Teddys Person: I was mentally composing a comment nearly identical to yours in all respects.
I would like to be your friend.
Teddys Person
@Smiling Mortician: Hello friend:-)
Mnemosyne
@Betty Cracker:
So far, they seem to be cultists. There was an election at the big party meeting in Sacramento yesterday to choose the new head of the California Democratic Party, and the Wilmer-backed candidate lost by 60 votes. So, naturally, she is now crying election fraud and preparing to sue because it’s impossible that her agenda could be rejected.
Since I’m in So Cal, I only have to read about these assholes. Poor Major^4 and other people in the northern half of the state are having to listen to them blather on about the “revolution” in party meetings.
Iowa Old Lady
@debbie: It’s a powerful song.
@Mnemosyne: You get weird stuff in an area that’s controlled by one party. People seem to need to see an opposition and make it from their own party if they have to.
I think single party rule also breeds corruption because there’s a less intense search for it.
Mnemosyne
@Betty Cracker:
I can’t edit my comment, but here’s an LA Times article about the mess.
Mnemosyne
@Iowa Old Lady:
There can be, but that’s not what’s going on here. This is 100 percent an attempted overthrow of the current California Democratic Party establishment by “Berniecrats” who are convinced that the whole Democratic Party is corrupt and needs to be cleansed.
Thanks, Wilmer! You’ve sure done us Democrats a solid with your stunning lack of support. Thanks for setting off a civil war and then walking away pretending like you had nothing to do with it.
Betty Cracker
@Iowa Old Lady: That’s a great point. Here in Purpleville, we know who the REAL enemy is.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: good to know they’re focusing on the important stuff
Yarrow
@schrodingers_cat: @Mnemosyne: They remind me more of Ron Paul supporters than Trump supporters. And he reminds me more of Ron Paul than Trump as well. Was all independent-y but used the party to his own ends. Didn’t Ron Paul use “Revolution” in his last campaign as well? They certainly have the purity pony and One True Savior thing down.
Elizabelle
Incidentally, guys: that Shorenstein Center study the conservatives are flapping around over? Here’s the executive summary (which I’ve numbered; it was bullet points in the original):
News Coverage of Donald Trump’s First 100 Days
If you put those points up, you will stop their whingeing in its tracks. Ask them, why are you so upset that 80% of “newsmakers” commenting on Trump were Republicans? Your libtard media at work.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
You’re not the only one who thinks that. I’ve suspected for quite a while that when Ron Paul decided not to run this year, his fans threw their support behind Wilmer. That’s why there was so much fuss about the places that had closed primaries — a lot of the activists weren’t registered as Democrats because they weren’t Democrats in the first place.
Between right-libertarians and left-libertarians, there probably is enough energy for a viable third party to emerge. Unfortunately, like all libertarians, all they know how to do is how to take over an existing infrastructure and strip it down for their own use instead of building something from scratch. They were unsuccessful in taking over the Republicans, so now they’re going to try and take over the Democrats.
germy
A. Whitney Brown:
dogwood
@Yarrow:
I disagree that Sanders is like Ron Paul. RP had a cult-like following much like Sanders, but never seemed to have the enormous ego that drives men like Bernie.
Baud
@Mnemosyne:
Haha. So true. Mnemosyne > Any Rand
@germy:
How did Brown get a copy of the Baud! 2020! stump speech? I must have been hacked.
I hope he didn’t get my risotto recipe.
ThresherK
@Mnemosyne: Jeebus, I’d like to believe the FernieFros aren’t that fcking stupid. Then again, they are willing to give up Social Security, Medicare, and seemignly everything the Dems have fought for for my Dad’s entire life…
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Splitting Image:
It’s also 30 years of right-wing rage talk radio.
Argutainment and anger sell.
germy
@Baud: I hadn’t seen or heard a thing from him since the ’80s. I just learned he’s at Daily Kos.
Possible running mate? He could be your Biden.
Seth Owen
@germy: The funny thing is that Trump could so plausibly run that exact campaign ….
Baud
@germy: I’m going to be my own Biden. I plan to delegate domestic and foreign policy to my Veep.
And Jared, of course.
ThresherK
@germy: Is that current? I remember him fondly on SNL in the late 80s, being almost a proto-Daily Show take on what a Very Serious Pundit would sound like.
Mnemosyne
@dogwood:
I don’t think Sanders himself is just like Ron Paul (though there are a few ego similarities) but I think former Paulites attached themselves to Sanders anyway as their new Great White Hope. That’s why there’s this weird split in the people who voted for Sanders in the primary. Most of them were Democrats who liked what he had to say, but there’s a hard core of people who wanted Sanders to bring down the Democratic Party establishment and won’t be happy until that happens.
germy
@ThresherK: August of 2016
rikyrah
Thomas ErdbrinkVerified account @ThomasErdbrink
Only 24 hours before Trump calls for isolating their country, Iranians vote out radicalism and dance in the streets
rikyrah
The New York TimesVerified account @nytimes
An investment company run by one of Trump’s top supporters has secured an enormous investment from Saudi Arabia
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: Why is Sanders going around the country bad mouthing Democrats on TV, saying that investigation into Russian collusion is a distraction? What about his role.
Baud
@rikyrah: Thanks, Lockheed Martin!
sukabi
@Elizabelle: what you’ll get is a variation on the old “no true Scotsman” trope.
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
Then they’re going to be very, very sad. After awhile. like the small children they are, they’ll take their ball and go home.
Fuckem
efgoldman
@schrodingers_cat:
Because he’s an egotistical asshole
SATSQ
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
Your mistake is in judging them by electoral success rather than ideological purity. The California democratic establishment is not composed of Berniecrats, which means, ipso facto, they are failures by Berniecrat standards.
japa21
There is an argument to be made that our potential best ally in the ME to assist in our fight against terrorism is Iran. Our potentially worst ally is Saudi Arabia. So who is Trump catering to?
Mnemosyne
@schrodingers_cat:
Honestly, I couldn’t say. I haven’t seen enough evidence yet to say that he’s anything other than a deluded old man trying to keep his ego fed by some unexpected acclaim. I don’t think that what he says about the banks and Wall Street is incorrect, but he doesn’t have to fling the same mud at both Republicans and Democrats.
I know why the MSM loves him, though — he’s their perfect embodiment of “both sides do it!” If they can put a guy on their show who will say that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad, then they don’t have to do any actual work.
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
The Judean People’s Front?
Yarrow
@dogwood: I didn’t say they were identical. Just that I think BS is more like Ron Paul than he is like Trump. I also think Ron Paul did/does have a big ego, but it manifests differently.
Paul’s last campaign and BS’s recent campaign both ended up causing, or taking advantage of (depending on your view), some rifts in their respective parties. Didn’t the Paul voters do something to disrupt one of the western state’s conventions or something? And didn’t they also cause some chaos on the floor of the 2012 Republican convention?
@Mnemosyne: I also don’t underestimate Russian involvement in all of this. I’m sure some ties will be discovered to BS’s campaign via Tad Devine. Russia wants to cause chaos in the US and destroy our political system from the inside. Supporting these divisions would be an obvious play.
Teddys Person
@schrodingers_cat: And I’m sure our top-notch media figures asked the question – “A distraction from what?” I know there’s a lot of shit flying around, but protecting our democracy should be at the top of the pile.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: Went to the Huntington yesterday, the kid had lost her gift membership activation card and our friend had lost his guest pass. The membership office took care of the kid’s membership and our friend got admission on her membership. A pleasant afternoon. Our friend is a Republican,idolizes St. Ronnie, he thinks Trump should be impeached; though he also thinks HRC should be in jail for “being Hillary”. The CDS is strong with this one.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore:
No, the People’s Front of Judea.
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
@efgoldman: He really is going to cost us 2018 isn’t he?
Shakti
In news that’s not news and why I have no sympathy for Trump voters as rule:
If Liberals Hate Him, Then Trump Must Be Doing Something Right
PoC and women were saying this well before the election so I don’t know why we needed a conservative radio show host to say it in the NYT.
Baud
@japa21: That unfortunately has been long-standing US policy. Although the Iran deal could have been the start of a detente.
Baud
@Shakti: So all the garbage that’s fit to print discovers Cleek’s Law?
Roger Moore
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Splitters!
Baud
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: Not sure of the impact on 2018. Elections are more diffuse and local. 2020 is a worry.
Mnemosyne
@Roger Moore:
No, the People’s Front of Judea! Splitter!
Teddys Person
And Jason “the quitter from Utah” Chaffetz added his two cents to the proceedings.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Start collecting those cans for your campaign war chest, each one adds up and if there is some stale beer in some of them, that’s a bonus!
madmommy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Worth noting that even after receiving death threats, he still held town halls and met with his constituents. If only his colleagues across the aisle were so brave.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
I’ve been suspicious of Devine’s ties to Russia for a long time. I’m just not prepared to say that Sanders knew what was going on. He still seems like an unwitting dupe to me.
japa21
@Baud: Basically since the embassy take over. Understandable then, but you are right, Obama started something that could have changed a lot for the better.
Baud
@Yarrow: Wasn’t Russia behind that California secessionist movement?
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Baud! 2020!: I’ll hold your beer and watch you!
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I was supposed to go for a historical cooking class yesterday morning, but the stupid flu prevented it. ? At least the instructor was nice enough to send me e-copies of the recipes when I asked.
Not sure what to do about the unreconstructed conservative CDSers. It’s probably better to focus on the ones who still exist on our side.
Mnemosyne
@Baud:
Yup. In fact, one of the major leaders recently emigrated to Russia even as all of his colleagues and associates were swearing on their mothers’ graves that they had no connections to Russia. It was pretty hilarious.
MomSense
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:
First they came for the Muslims and Wilmer complained about the 1%.
Then they came for the dreamers and Wilmer scolded Democrats for not being tough enough on Wall St.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: I don’t know, he said he’d rather have Obama or Bill Clinton back than Trump, so baby steps. I was just surprised that he used the “I” word. BTW, he says he voted for Johnson.
efgoldman
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:
I doubt it. I don’t even think he can stem the tide of angry voters. The president’s party normally loses seats in midterms, and this “president” is going to have ratings at Tricksie Dicksie Nixie levels.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Hillary isn’t running again, so I don’t care that much if a Republican has CDS, It’s only an issue if it affects voting for actual candidate.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I think with this guy, it’s less CDS and HRCDS and they might transfer to any other woman running.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: I’m skeptical. It’s not like Devine’s working with Manafort was a secret. And Manafort’s background was hardly secret either. The buck stops at the top.
SFBayAreaGal
@Betty Cracker: Well this No. California gal does not like the Wilmer. Will never like the Wilmer. I also believe in vaccinations.
Yarrow
@Baud: They were and the guy in charge of it has fled to Russia.
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Like you, I suspect your friend’s problem with Hillary was with what’s between her legs, which is a bit worrisome given that many of our strongest Democratic contenders are those pesky wimmens.
debbie
@germy:
He was great on SNL.
chris
College hijinks.
https://twitter.com/rob_bennett/status/866316404873625600
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
True, she’s unlikely in the extreme to be a candidate again, but if you think that will deter the Rethugs from making all their 2018 candidates “anti-Hillary,” you’ve another think coming. Any candidate for any office with a (D) after his/her name is some way, somehow going to be tethered to HRC. If they could turn Senator Max Cleland into an amalgamation of OBL and Saddam Hussein, they’ll have no problem linking Dems to the hated Hillary.
Mnemosyne
@SFBayAreaGal:
I’m trying not to paint with too broad a brush since God knows our rich So Cal snowflakes in OC and San Diego contributed their own bit to the vaccination crisis. But the last chart I saw had Alameda and Marin counties with some of the highest rates of both refused vaccinations and pertussis outbreaks.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: I guess. The attacks on Hillary were pretty personal to her. But I’m done predicting voter behavior.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: I agree. I think the pesky wimmins thing is going to be a problem for women candidates for the foreseeable future. Maybe since she blazed the trail other candidates won’t have quite the same problem. The way the media studiously ignores it doesn’t help, that’s for sure.
germy
@Yarrow:
Other countries don’t have this hangup.
mai naem mobile
@schrodingers_cat: probably the early on puff pieces they did on Ivanka, Jared and Melanoma, and the Gorsuch nomination.
Mnemosyne
@chris:
There was lots of pushback in the comments after the first few butthurt ones, and this guy is my new hero:
?BillinGlendaleCA
@germy:
We’re exceptional, don’t ya know.
Mnemosyne
@germy:
Yeah, but we suck at it. A lot.
I wonder if part of the issue with other countries is that their women leaders usually get chosen from an existing parliamentary body, not elected directly. That takes a little of the bias out of it.
dogwood
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:
I don’t think Bernie is going to have much effect on the ’18 midterms. He and his peeps won’t be able to zero in on a single target like Clinton. He will probably cost us the election in 2020 though. And since ’20 is a census year, that will be devastating.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
so, things are going great with all our allies in a simple, stable and uncomplicated part of the world
to have been a fly on the wall when the ministers had this chat with BiBi, or back when the ministers read the paper when trump announced his plans for MENA. “His fucking son-in-law?”
sukabi
@Baud: yes…and the one guy that was behind it moved to Russia..
Baud
@sukabi: How Snowden.
efgoldman
@dogwood:
Don’t think so. He’s a more foolish old man than even I think he is if he runs again. Unlike last time, he won’t sneak up on the primaries. He’d be lucky to get half the votes. Say he runs a surrogate – will s/he run as a Democrat? Wilmer’s a known quantity. The actual Dem candidates, whoever they are, are not going to treat them gently as HRC did last year. Dem voters are still going to be good and pissed, no matter what happens with Velveeta Voldemort. They/we are not going to be in a mood for any bullshit.
chris
@Mnemosyne: That’s a good one. I was just pleased to see it happen, the resistance is everywhere and growing. Never thought I’d see the day.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Somebody should leak the oppo now and get the keening and wailing over with early.
that might be my own spite talking
Enhanced Voting Techniques
SNL is calling Trump “President for Now Trump” lol
Yarrow
@germy: We’re voting for head of state, not just head of government, and that may make a difference. I agree with Mnem that the parliamentary system in other countries blunts the actual ‘voting for a woman’ thing a bit, and may mean women can move further up more easily.
That being said, other countries aren’t necessarily great at it. They may have had female leaders but it’s still not as common.
Mnemosyne
@chris:
It helps that Notre Dame is located in Indiana. Pence’s popularity there was in the toilet before Trump picked him to be VP. IIRC, Pence bowed out of running for governor again because he was about as popular as anthrax.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Shakti
Says the woman who resigned half way threw her term. There are limits to being a nihilistic ass clown one of them is their entire movement is starting successfully be labeled treason.
chris
@Mnemosyne: True, but I’ll bet it wasn’t just Indianans (Hoosiers just sounds rude.) walking out. Mr. Pierce’s comments tomorrow on his alma mater should be fun.
efgoldman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I really don’t think he’s running again. He’ll try to anoint a successor, but who? Tulsi? No chance. (Not that there’s no chance she’d try, but she’d be lucky to get 5% of the vote); Ellison? Not after he’s worked so hard to drive the unity train; Webb? Hah!
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
He was barely across the state line on the way out, when the very RWNJ legislature and Lt Governor started cancelling his initiatives
efgoldman
@chris:
Marquette?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@PST:
Havent you figured it yet that words mean nothing to Trump. He will say what ever he thinks the person in front of him wants to hear.
dogwood
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Hell, his wife is under investigation by the Feds. The democrats have been more than fair and patient with the old coot. But he’s too much of a narcissist to figure out that he’s damn lucky. He’s got plenty of embarrassing crap in his background, and his wife might be a felon.
sukabi
@Baud: it would be nice if these asshats would just forego the political drama and take their asses over there to begin with…how many Russia’s do they think the world needs?
chris
Ew! Republicans are many things. Gross and disgusting are two of those things.
chris
@efgoldman: Yes, class of ’75
https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/866402594293501952
Jim, Foolish Literalist
but Nancy Pelosi called for a public option instead of single-payer, so you’ve got to focus on the real enemy
ETA:
germy
germy
@dogwood:
Karl Rove was rubbing his hands together with glee, hoping Wilmer’d win the nomination. Rove didn’t spend a dime to attack him.
But if somehow Wilmer had pushed through, the ratfuckers would have gone into overtime. They had documentation of every stupid thing he ever said or wrote in their files.
chris
@germy: So Mrs. Wilmer may be the undoing of the mister? I’m cool with that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@chris: I think she and Comic Book Guy have been the main people egging on his natural dickhead tendencies, probably Moore and West as well. Tad Devine apparently wants to get hired by Democrats again.
chris
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Comic Book Guy? Whodat?
If the FBI investigation pans out very few people will believe that Wilmer didn’t know. Republicans will insist that he planned it because women aren’t up to the job. Bye bye Wilmer.
germy
@chris:
chris
@germy: Haha! Thank you, that’s perfect.
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Someone should leak the oppo now to try to force him not to run for reelection in 2018.
J R in WV
@Mnemosyne:
If B. S. is unwitting, he’s not qualified to hold public office, any public office. Not that I think we disagree, just making that point.
PST
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Of course. I’m not an idiot. That’s why I’m not surprised. My question is whether that kind of talk loses him any support from his most deplorable supporters.
Origuy
@chris:
Jeff Weaver, Wilmer’s campaign manager. He owned a comic book store.
chris
@Origuy: Thanks, old memory has some bad sectors.
El Caganer
@PST: Of course not. He’s making a deal, he makes the best deals, it’s all negotiating…..his disciples don’t give a shit what he does. Assuming that they’re even paying attention, which they probably aren’t.
TenguPhule
@dogwood: Ron Paul doesn’t have a gigantic ego? What the fuck are you smoking?!
No One You Know
@Splitting Image: If only that had been true for Hillary Clinton.