Thought by now you’d realize

Jim Comey is a real piece of work:

Perhaps Comey’s most surprising revelation was that Huma Abedin — Weiner’s wife and a top Clinton deputy — had made “a regular practice” of forwarding “hundreds and thousands” of Clinton messages to her husband, “some of which contain classified information.” Comey testified that Abedin had done this so that the disgraced former congressman could print them out for her boss. (Weiner’s laptop was seized after he came under criminal investigation for sex crimes, following a media report about his online relationship with a teenager.)

The New York Post plastered its story on the front page with a photo of an underwear-clad Weiner and the headline: “HARD COPY: Huma sent Weiner classified Hillary emails to print out.” The Daily News went with a similar front-page screamer: “HUMA ERROR: Sent classified emails to sext maniac Weiner.”


The problem: Much of what Comey said about this was inaccurate. Now the FBI is trying to figure out what to do about it.

89 replies
  1. 1
    Rugosa says:

    Another word for “inaccurate” is “lie.”

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    Yutsano says:

    Everyone is trying to figure out why Comey released the Clinton letter to Chaffetz without looking at the Occam’s Razor solution. He hates the Clintons. He probably still believes Bill got off scot free from his impeachment. Anything that would destroy them is fair game.

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    dedc79 says:

    To put it in a way Comey should recognize and understand: “Although we did not find clear evidence that the FBI Director intended to perjure himself, there is evidence that he was EXTREMELY CARELESS in his handling of his testimony before Congress.”

    On second thought, that’s way too kind to Comey. He appears to have flat out lied.

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    cervantes says:

    In case you think that history is explained by deep patterns or laws, just remember that if Anthony Weiner wasn’t incorrigibly addicted to tweeting his junk, Hillary Clinton would be president.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    This gets messier and uglier by the day. And I don’t see an improvement any time soon. Comey’s awful, but if he were to leave, Trump wouldn’t wait two seconds before nominating Giuliani or someone equally abhorrent.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Yutsano: And this is why he’s unfit to be director of the FBI.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @cervantes: Or if the Abedin-Weiner household had networked printers! Or if Comey had even 10% of Yates’ integrity! Or if Bill Clinton had face-planted on the tarmac and had received first aid instead of visiting L. Lynch! Endless rabbit holes, none worth exploring. But they do prove your point.

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    ms_canadada says:

    Isn’t Ghouliani under some kind of investigation?

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    Dave says:

    @Yutsano: Tends to be my read. Be probably does believe the last honest guy in Washington schtick. Which leaves him less selfaware of his own biases than he should be and is more than a smidgen arrogant as a result of this (believing you are last honest anything is kinda breathtakingly arrogant). And he almost certainly sees the Clinton’s as a unified entity, corrupt, and that got away with it; so he’s not aable to be a fair arbiter regarding them.
    As for if he’s trustworthy to carry things forward regarding Trump admin I’m not sure but odds are certainly better than anyone Trump would appoint.

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    Calouste says:

    @cervantes: They’d have found something else. Nothingburgers are extremely cheap and easy to fabricate.

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    Dems need to be more brazen, there was no need for Lynch to recuse herself from the email investigation.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    @ms_canadada:

    Isn’t Ghouliani under some kind of investigation?

    Isn’t that a qualification in the current administration?

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    Weaselone says:

    I’m almost at the point where I’m agreeing with Trump about the need to reform libel and slander laws. This sort of thing should open Comey, the FBI and those Newspapers to a lawsuit by both Huma and Clinton. It’s insanely egregious, even if they are public figures

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    satby says:

    Really starting to wonder what the Russians have on Comey.

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    James Powell says:

    @Yutsano:

    He hates the Clintons.

    That was my conclusion after his July tirade. I really had not followed his career so I had no reason to doubt what everyone said, that he has neutral, straight shooter. His press conference really surprised me and I can’t recall anything quite like it from a law enforcement official.

    With the October Surprise letter, there is no other explanation that makes sense. His bullshit excuse was just that. He talked to people about it beforehand because he was looking for someone to tell him it was okay. Even after all of them said, “don’t do it,” he went ahead, showing exactly what he thought of the opinions of the people whose advice he sought.

    I’m sure he sees himself as a hero who saved the country from the Clintons.

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    The problem: Much of what Comey said about this was inaccurate. Now the FBI is trying to figure out what to do about it.

    Charge him with hindering an ongoing investigation.

    Charge him with obstruction.

    Charge him with conspiracy along with Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaeffetz.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Really starting to wonder what the Russians have on Comey.

    @satby: My guess is nothing. He’s just a typical garden-variety vengeful asshole who saw an opening to get away with some payback and did.

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    JPL says:

    @James Powell: Initially I said we’re f..ked, if this guy is suppose to bring down Trump. Now I’m pretty much saying the same thing.

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    sdhays says:

    @satby: Remember, the Russians aren’t behind everything. They’re just one part of the Axis of Evil in the international conservative movement. Comey probably didn’t need to be coerced to do what he did; he’s still a Republican, which is why President Obama shouldn’t have appointed him in the first place.

    Being a Republican really shouldn’t be disqualifying from serving in government, but at this point, it should be.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    This Guardian article about Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, Trump, Farage and Brexit explains how we’re in a death spiral for democracy. Hard to imagine Comey or any of the IC pulling us out of it. There simply is too much venality, stupidity, hate and fear for greed and amorality to feast on.

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    amk says:

    Is F.B.I allowed to investigate its own head? Pun intended.

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    Dave says:

    @James Powell: This is probably accurate; if he actually does enable the Trump whatever you want to call it to be taken down he will almost certainly see himself as the hero who saved America from two traitorous and criminal enterprises. With the Clinton’s playing the role of the greater Satan. He can’t be rational or trusted regarding them. May be able to be regarding Trump but it’s in no way reassuring.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @satby:
    I think the big thing is that the Russians don’t actually need anything on most of these people to get them to go along. Offer them a chance to defeat the Democrats, and plenty of Republicans would sell their souls to Satan. Putin is an even easier deal to accept.

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    To quote VDE, Comey needs a low tumbrel number.
    Baud!/VDE 2020

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    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: There is a lot of hyperbole in that article. Guardian is too leftier than thou and was on the Berning train until much later in the primaries. I wouldn’t put my faith in them 100%.

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    hovercraft says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Trump wouldn’t wait two seconds before nominating Giuliani or someone equally abhorrent.

    He may want the Crypt Keeper as payback for his and his cronies in the NY Field Offices leaks, but Guliani has legal troubles of his own right now. Though I must say it would be funny watching them both get humiliated when he got frog marched out of the FBI by his own employees. And yes, just like with every single goddamn appointee, his pick would be the absolute worst person he could find.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    OK, thanks – although this isn’t the first place these connections have been made. Jane Mayer has also covered the same ground in Dark Money.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @cervantes: Is that the Lesser Persons theory of history?

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    satby says:

    @The Moar You Know: @sdhays: @Roger Moore: I was mostly joking guys.
    My real opinion is that Comey is a sanctimonious prick who hates both Clintons and saw a chance to shaft Hillary while playing the “last honest man in Washington” in the telenovela in his head.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Comey’s awful, but if he were to leave, Trump wouldn’t wait two seconds before nominating Giuliani or someone equally abhorrent.

    Truth. Like the baseball stat junkies tell you, before you get rid of a poor player, you’ve got to consider what the replacement-level player looks like.

    And whoever it would be, he’d make us wish we had Comey back, as bad as Comey is.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @Roger Moore: Republicans in 2017 would sell their grandmothers’ souls to defeat the Democrats, and would throw their grandkids’ souls in just for insurance.

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    Martin says:

    Ain’t it funny how Comey’s errors when it comes to the Clintons always fall on only one side of the fence separating the assumption of guilt vs innocence, or probability vs possibility, or making declarations vs maintaining discretion. Whether he’s conscious of his own biases or not, they’re in plain sight.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @low-tech cyclist: Sounds like the GOTea as a whole. Didn’t like Shrub? Here’s Lord Dampnut. Hated Helms? Try McConnell, Cruz and Paul. Fvck with us again and we’ll summon demons to replace them.

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    LAO says:

    @low-tech cyclist: IDK, because of Comey’s reputation as a straight shooter, last honest man type, I think he does much greater damage to the country than a partisan hack. Any way, IMO as long as the Department of Justice is under Sessions’ control, there isn’t much that could get worse.

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    Mike J says:

    @cervantes:

    remember that if Anthony Weiner wasn’t incorrigibly addicted to tweeting his junk, Hillary Clinton would be president.

    You don’t think Comey would have found another urgent reason to throw a monkey wrench days before the election?

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    germy says:

    WaPo

    Exit polls suggest liberal Moon has won the South Korean presidential election

    The liberal Moon Jae-in wants more engagement with North Korea, possibly setting up tensions with Washington.

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    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: The connections are there and they are not to be taken lightly but I would like to see the methodology Guardian used before I declare that all is lost. Who does it help if we sink into a pit of despair without a fight. Sadly most journalists are math illiterate.

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    Sanjeevs says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Where is the hyperbole? Carol,Cadwalladr is an unusually thorough journalist.
    The Guardian is a pretty broad paper with all kinds of views and all ranges of ability. I think Cadwalladr is one of their best.
    In writing on the immense power of FB,Google , microtargeting etc I think she is on the money.

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    oldster says:

    As always, Doug, genius title.

    I like how you made us sing through it before we get the punch-line.

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    @Sanjeevs: Guardian leans left. I would like to see the said algorithms before attributing magical big brother like powers to them. I am not doubting the malign intention of CA, just saying that I would like to actually know more about these so called algorithms, the mathematical guts if you will before making broad and sweeping generalizations.

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    amk says:

    @germy: twitler’s touch thaad.

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    Doug! says:

    @oldster:

    Thanks. One of the very few Eagles songs that I really like.

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku 🗳 🌷 says:

    I look forward to the day when “Last Honest Man in Washington” Comey is put up against a wall and shot by the Revolution. Asshole hack would deserve it

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    🌎 🇺🇸 Goku 🗳 🌷 says:

    @germy: Excellent news! Hopefully this will foul up any effort on Trump’s part to escalate the situation in Korea into a war

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    manyakitty says:

    @PaulWartenberg: That makes sense, so of course it won’t happen.

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    Sanjeevs says:

    Ok.
    I don’t know the algorithms either and I presume as it’s a new field, they are changing rapidly anyway.
    What I have observed in the Philippines is that a troll army and microtargeting on FB have been used to rehabilitate the Marcoses so that they came within 1% of the Vice Presidency . Three years ago this family name was like Charles Mansons and with good reason.
    Also saw the same combination used to lift Duterte from obscurity to runaway election winner. A self confessed murderer who curses the Catholic Church which was the most powerful political force until then.
    Don’t underestimate its power.

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    @Sanjeevs: Not underestimating its power at all. To develop a counter measure, you need to study it but ooga booga we are all going to die reporting just strengthens those who wish to do us ill.

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    Redshift says:

    @Dave:

    He probably does believe the last honest guy in Washington schtick. Which leaves him less selfaware of his own biases than he should be and is more than a smidgen arrogant as a result of this (believing you are last honest anything is kinda breathtakingly arrogant).

    I agree; all of this reeks of a man trying to justify a bad decision to fit his own self-image – misremembering, insisting it would have been a disaster not to talk about one investigation while of course he couldn’t talk about the other. What a disgrace.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Boatboy_srq:

    Republicans in 2017 would sell their grandmothers’ souls to defeat the Democrats, and would throw their grandkids’ souls in just for insurance.

    Uh, this is what they did to win the 2016 presidential election, secure both houses of Congress, and to put themselves in position to make the federal courts conservative for the next generation.

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    gvg says:

    Comey convincingly plays someone with CDS, but so many Russian connections have already been shown that I still want him checked. Every Congressman and Gov. too at this point. The Mercer’s and the publisher of National Inquirer and Fox higher ups. I was worried about the Kochs before but I haven’t heard any Russian connections about them and they seem to have lost out to the Mercers this cycle. I wonder about them though because they helped the GOP a lot before.
    I even wonder about the Supreme Court Justices who thought more money in politics would be OK. Shouldn’t they know a little history?

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    Seanly says:

    I want to become a high-ranking Democratic party official. That way, when we have the Presidency again and think about putting any single f’cking Republican up for any f’cking administration position above junior assistant to the deputy dog catcher, I can bitchslap people until they get that stupid BS comity notion out of their heads. Yes, David Brooks, Tom Freidman, and the moldy ghost of David Broder will have a sadz but f*ck them.

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    eclare says:

    @satby: Been wondering what the Russians have on Comey for a while. The chance of there being something is not zero, look at Hanssen.

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    dww44 says:

    @James Powell I’m with you on being taken aback by Comey’s meddling in July with his press conference. At the time I only knew that he had a reputation for integrity via his late night visit to John Ashcroft’s hospital room to fend off the nefarious designs of John Yoo. If I had known that he’d lawyered on Kenneth Starr’s Clinton investigation team, I’d have been more skeptical. Comey didn’t only fool me and others, he had Lawrence O’Donnell still taking up for him even after the October letter. One of the rare few times I’ve had issues with the latter’s take on political issues.

    Comey comes across as incredibly high on the self-regard scale. He needs to have a very public and transparent correction of the public record as well as a profuse apology to Huma Abedin. He also owes a public apology to Hillary Clinton but that’s probably a bridge too far.

    We women should plan a demonstration in front of FBI offices all around the country.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    I think a lot of us first met bob Owens as “Gun counter Gomer” as named by TBogg back in the mid-aughts. Owens was found dead last night, an apparent suicide.

    And while Comey tries to explain away his impact on the election, the Nation has a story about how effective voter suppression was.

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    Boatboy_srq says:

    @gvg: Betsey du Vois is Sec’y of Education. She, the Princes, and Th Kochs are linked at the hip.

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    Stan says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: So what, he should be fired anyway.

    You’re right that trump will hire someone worse. But everyone will know that new guy (and it will be a guy, folks) is Trumps lackey. Right now that’s sort of hidden.

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    hovercraft says:

    @germy:
    Well if that’s true, it will make things interesting in the region, a new government that wants to forge better relations with the North, Abe and his nationalist government wanting to flex their muscles and China ready to exploit the ignorance of Twitler and his crew. “May you live in interesting times”, is a curse, too bad that Twitler has no idea just how interesting things can get over there. He just thought that was where all the cheap goods flooding America came from and where the shit bearing his name was made.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Humboldtblue: Wasn’t Bob Owens also “Confederate Yankee” blogger?

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    hovercraft says:

    @germy:
    I wonder if the deployment of the THAAD influenced the election results at all?
    Stolen from @sharl in one of last nights threads.

    People in Seongju, a traditionally tranquil town known for melon farming, are concerned that the area will become a prime target for the North’s rocket or missile attacks.

    The THAAD issue is not just about military strategy; the public is split over whether it should be deployed at all, especially ahead of the May 9 presidential elections.

    Moon Jae-in of the liberal Democratic Party, an apparent front-runner in the presidential race, maintains that the controversial decision by the government of the ousted president Park Geun-hye should be reviewed by the next administration.

    There is speculation that the U.S. is speeding up the THAAD deployment in order to make it irreversible.

    It has also taken a toll on Seoul’s ties with Beijing.

    China, South Korea’s neighbor and top trading partner, opposes the deployment of the THAAD system on the peninsula.

    Designed to shoot down missiles at a high altitude from North Korea or elsewhere, a THAAD battery is made up of six truck-mounted launchers carrying some 50 interceptor missiles, and a fire control and communications unit, which are linked to the very long-range X-band radar system.

    Will he keep it?

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    germy says:

    @hovercraft:

    Will he keep it?

    that’s a good question. I haven’t the slightest idea. It seems other countries have looked at the results of our election and are wary of excessive drama.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    Jon Ossoff has the most irritating e-mails, hands down, that I have ever experienced.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Yes, the same guy. I had forgotten that handle.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yutsano:

    Everyone is trying to figure out why Comey released the Clinton letter to Chaffetz without looking at the Occam’s Razor solution.

    He’s a Republican Traitor.

    Being hired by the Bushies should have been a dead give away.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Humboldtblue:
    @Corner Stone:

    Raleigh NC News and Observer is on that story.

    The late and unlamented (by us) Bob Owens has a book coming out posthumously, it would seem. The Deplorables Guide to Guns. Let’s not all rush Amazon.

    Sounds like a suicide by gun; we’ll have to watch the news. Left behind a wife and 2 daughters, aged 9 and 17.

    And here’s the earlier story.

    Police are investigating the death of a person whose body was found on the sidewalk at the entrance of a subdivision late Monday morning.

    Police were called about an injured man shortly before 11 a.m. at the entrance of the Southern Oaks subdivision at the intersection of Sequoia Ridge Drive and Judd Parkway, said town spokeswoman Susan Weis. When officers arrived, they found Robert Eugene Owens, 46, dead near a stop sign, with a gun nearby.

    Police are trying to determine if the death was the result of foul play or a suicide, Weis said.

    Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/ne.....rylink=cpy

    Death by sidewalk. Who knows?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @sdhays:

    Remember, the Russians aren’t behind everything.

    The large pile of dead bodies connected to pretty much every major player in the Trump campaign and the interconnected threads of illicit cash to the entire RNC network say otherwise.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Boatboy_srq:

    Didn’t like Shrub? Here’s Lord Dampnut. Hated Helms? Try McConnell, Cruz and Paul. Fvck with us again and we’ll summon demons to replace them.

    The problem with fighting the GOP Hydra was that we forgot to burn the stumps after chopping the heads off.

    /Classic Mythology, you schwibs with your knickers clenched in your teeth. You know who you are.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @low-tech cyclist: Better an evil asshole who doesn’t pretend to be an honest man. It makes things a lot easier.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @🌎 🇺🇸 Goku 🗳 🌷:

    Hopefully this will foul up any effort on Trump’s part to escalate the situation in Korea into a war

    He wasn’t asking for advice from our allies before doing whatever the hell he wanted. What makes you think he’ll care now?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Ugh. I know that people often turn into rage-filled assholes like Owens when they’re in massive psychological pain but won’t allow themselves to get help, but it’s never good to have that confirmed. What a mess.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Doesn’t sound like he was in a good place.

    Just minutes before Owens’ body was found, at 10:51 a.m., a brief note was posted on his Facebook account. “In the end, it turns out that I’m not strong. I’m a coward, and a selfish son of a bitch. I’m sorry,” the message said.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator: They plan to take out a second mortgage this time. And they now have the fuil power of the Federal and all too many state governments to use this time.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Humboldtblue: Yeah. I am waiting to hear what that was all about. Maybe we will; maybe we will not.

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    sukabi says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Giuliani is under investigation on a couple of fronts, but you’re right, it wouldn’t stop Drumpf from nominating him.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Humboldtblue:
    @Elizabelle:

    Owens was so obviously damaged that it was hard for me to mock him and it’s hard for me to be glad he’s gone. He wasn’t one of the big sociopaths like Bannon, just a little guy that got used by unscrupulous people.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: I hate to be so hard-hearted, but I think it’s fascinating a second amendment fanatic apparently took his own life with a gun. Which is one of the leading causes of gun deaths.

    So the late Mr. Owens made quite a final point in leaving this world. Wish we kept statistics on something like that.

    (Incidentally, Jay Dickey, the Tennessee ?? congressman who KO-ed keeping government statistics on firearm deaths, at the NRA’s bidding — and came to regret it — also died recently. He never got his firearms mortality studies reinstated. It is much easier to kill good programs than to enact them, as we all see.)

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: Very honestly, I had never heard of him until learning of his death.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @dww44, @James Powell:

    I really had not followed [Comey’s] career so I had no reason to doubt what everyone said, that he [was a] neutral, straight shooter.

    Comey a neutral straight-shooter? This MarketWatch piece by Brett Arends is from early November, and it sank like a stone. I don’t remember seeing any links to it on any of the usual newsy/​liberal blogs. I mentioned it here in December and maybe one other time. Crickets.

    It’s an “opinion” piece, but Arends documents all his points.

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    Elie says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I agree completely. There is no point in getting to the bottom of things and exposing all of this or talking about it amongst ourselves without having a thought that we can save ourselves and ultimately make things better. I refuse to go home and curl into a ball in the corner because things look bad at any point in time. Maybe I am a cockeyed optimist, but I do believe we can save this and part of that is continuing to investigate, raise awareness and have a vision for what we want… That is how the Republicans did what they did. They had a vision then set about putting that vision in place. We must do the same and stop whining about how all is lost.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I have made sure not to mock him in his death. Suicide has hit very close to my home and he left people very close behind. I mention the story solely out of curiosity.

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    Elie says:

    I also believe that it takes time for some things to set up. This latest on Comey is going to damage him and will set up some things. I do believe as others have stated, that it would be a mistake to fire him and let Trump appoint someone even worse, but he may be able to be subverted or worked around. What a tragedy, though! Our most important institutions are not functioning as they should. But we will have to soldier on…

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @TenguPhule:

    you schwibs with your knickers clenched in your teeth. You know who you are.

    Those of us who don’t like gratuitous graphic violence may have good reason, which we don’t need to share publicly or defend. We (and you) don’t know what burdens other people bear. There’s a difference between skirting towards sadism and the standard BJ tropes of DIAF or “Wipe them out, all of them.”

    I refer back to gnG’s statement this morning about kindness. Let’s try it, towards each other at least.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Humboldtblue: I saw it mentioned on a couple anti-Trump twit feeds I am skimming recently. Suicide is not a light matter but I am remembered of all the truly heinous things he put out during his career. He was clearly a very mentally disturbed person.

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    satby says:

    @Mnemosyne: @Elizabelle: @Humboldtblue: I’m sure there’s a tragedy there somewhere, at least for his wife and children. But I was very familiar with Owens/Confederate Yankee from before this: his advocacy of the gutting of gun control laws, and his furthering of some ugly memes. I have lost two male cousins to suicide by gun at younger ages than Owens was, and have always been frustrated that the true statistics of how less safe people are with a gun in the house have been suppressed. I guess I’ll just note how exacting karma can be.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    He was a big mockery object of TBogg’s back in the day when we were all hoping that mockery would help stop them. Oh, well.

    And, yes, having multiple guns in the house means the risk of having one of those guns used for a suicide is very high. One of G’s friends committed suicide with one of his own guns almost 20 years ago and, not surprisingly, he was also a depressed alcoholic who refused to get help.

    (I’m not saying that Owens was an alcoholic, but I sure wouldn’t be shocked to find that out.)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @satby:

    I’m thinking of his wasted life and how much better off the world would have been if Owens had been willing to get the help he so clearly needed. People who hate that much usually do it because they hate themselves even more and have to project it back out onto the world.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @satby: My condolences on your cousins. I am sure that haunts you every time you think about it.

    Glad to follow the rightwing fool-o-sphere so little that I had never heard of Confederate Yankee. If this was suicide, and it sounds like it — although not yet confirmed by the medical examiner — Mr. Owens made his hugest point in his final actions. What a legacy.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mnemosyne: No idea if Owens was an alcoholic but did see, on some rightwing site, that the gentleman had recently completed certification for a firefight within a car/close quarters. That’s some excellent training to deploy if, say, he ever got arrested by law enforcement. Or kidnapped by gang bangers or narcos. Whatever was in his darkest fantasies.** And then he takes himself out, on a sidewalk at the entrance to his subdivision (take that, neighbors!) in broad daylight.

    ** well, that’s what I guessed it was. Here’s the blurb, from some blog called “Political Insider.” The post closes with video of Bob shooting a gun. I am sure that is deeply comforting to the bereaved.

    He most recently received his Vehicle Close Quarters Combat Instructor certification from Centrifuge Training.

    Read more: http://thepoliticalinsider.com.....z4gbeRY9uO

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    Mnemosyne says:

    My “reply” button is temporarily missing, but @Elizabelle — I always suspect that the people who become survivalists or who are convinced that urban combat is right around the corner are desperately trying to run from the demons inside their own heads, which makes it a totally useless and probably counter-productive effort.

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    SWMBO says:

    I posted this in a dead thread a few days ago.  It still fits.

    You folks are naïve and innocent and pure. Also deluded. Comey’s reputation is not tarnished by this. It was made by this. He cock blocked Hillary and kept her out of the White House. He can write his own ticket after that.
    Trump is not going to replace Comey. Have you forgotten when Comey came to the WH after the inauguration? When he called Comey over? When Comey nearly pulled out his knee pads and worked the room? Comey gave Trump the keys to the WH and Treasury. He’s not going anywhere.
    Everyone keeps going on about the Rogue NY FBI office. That’s bullshit. They were doing exactly what Comey wanted. They dug up SOMETHING on HRC that brought her down. The Rogues bit was just kabuki. This was supervised.
    Comey wasn’t afraid of everyone but the Democrats. He was afraid of the Democrats. Especially if HRC won. He had been after her for years and finally brought her down. There would have been investigations if she had won. Because they needed something to LOCK HER UP with.
    You all are acting like Comey is independent and honorable and pure. This is bullshit. He’s a partisan hack who got lucky and isn’t going to be held accountable for what he did. Just like the media that fluffed his sorry ass isn’t going to be held accountable. I give you Dick Cheney and 43 as an example. They have NEVER been fully investigated and held accountable. And they never will.
    I weep for the future.

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