Open Thread: “Loyalty Day”


“Actually… “

126 replies
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    Mom Says I'm Handsome says:

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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    germy says:

    Yale’s College Republicans held a barbecue next to a hunger strike to stoke the anguish of union organizers

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    Cacti says:

    I guess he decided it sounded better than Fatherland Day.

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    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap says:

    Donald loves to say shit like this and the “press” loves to cover it and act all shocked and outraged. The Donald loves the “press” and they love him; it’s a symbiotic relationship.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Nicole Hemmer? Another Trump normalizer? Who needs it?

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    I’m loyal to nothing General. Except the Dream. – Captain America

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    Kryptik says:

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:

    Except he, and the GOP as a whole, “loves” them the exact way an abusive spouse loves: abuse and threats in abundance, but only because they LOVE so much, and you know it hurts them more than it hurts you!

    And the press just takes it and does its best to rationalize it, internalizing the blame, then externalizing it outside of the marriage to justify it even further.

    And now look where we’re at. The press has gone in on the normalization of the batshit mandarin at record pace, writing hagiographies to his voters, while still looking for any and every reason to shitbeat on Dems for being the most illegitimate and ‘out of touch’ party in the history of forever.

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    debbie says:

    How delusional are they to think they can get a Constitutional amendment? You can’t Executive Order that into existence.

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    burnspbesq says:

    In episode two of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” there is a line about the capital of “what’s left of the United States” being Anchorage, and the flag having two stars. That’s a possible outcome if we fuck this up.

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    burnspbesq says:


    No, but if you can get 34 state legislatures to go along, you can have a Constitutional convention. And then all fucking bets are off.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    Not. Normal.

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    Seth Owen says:

    @germy: What is it about conservatives that makes them bad petty assholes?

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    Ryan says:

    @Cacti: I think in Russia, they refer to it as the Motherland.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Attention, people of color, you should exercise caution, when attending Trump Rallies. Better yet maybe White folks too tomorrow at any pro Trump IL Don events if you insufficiently loyal.

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    debbie says:


    Hopefully those 34 legislatures will remember that the pendulum always swings the other way.

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    Mike in NC says:

    How long before Trump declares his birthday to be a new national holiday (but no day off for workers)?

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    Cacti says:

    @Mike in NC:

    I’m waiting for his “Commander in Chief” uniform with gold epaulets.

    He’s already referred to the army as “my army”.

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    Schlemazel says:

    the GOP controls the Senate and 32 states, they need 38(3/4 of the states) to ensure anything they want gets in. There is no assuarnce that some Dem Satets cave under pressure. The Coke Brothers and their biddies are making that happen.

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    Schlemazel says:

    They can make that swing impossible if they try.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @debbie: Not if you change the constitution to prevent it, it doesn’t.

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    James Powell says:


    Speculation on what might happen at such a convention?

    I’d bet the 1st amendment is rewritten to exclude everything but the free exercise clause, then moved down in the order. 2nd amendment becomes the 1st, the bit about militia is excised. 4th & 5th are rewritten so that they only apply to corporations and other business entities, exclusionary rules expressly prohibited.

    And that would be the first week.

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    Another Scott says:

    If you haven’t seen the Heineken video, “World’s Apart,” it’s worth a watch (4:25)


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    germy says:

    @Seth Owen: Damfino.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    But the point is: always check to see if Trump is doing is something new, or something routine that’s looks new he’s going to make worse now that he’s POTUS. /fin

    Fix’d. Even if Loyalty Day isn’t new, Trump is going to make it into something creepy and fucked up. Because that’s what he does.

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    debbie says:


    Ohio’s controlled by the GOP, but the Legislature only has to be reminded about SB5 were they to think it would be a slam dunk.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    Or a historian, telling the truth.

    I remember being taught — (in HS, around 1973) — how in the US we replaced the international workers’ day with the ersatz in September, to bury the memories of the Haymarket Martyrs, and changed May Day’s name to Loyalty Day.

    This isn’t ‘Trump normalizing’ unless they were Trump normalizing back when gas was 29 cents a gallon and there were no designated hitters.

    Somehow, even though this was the heyday of the pre-neoliberal, non-sold-out, real social-democratic Democratic Party, Loyalty Day persisted, and May Day was unaccountably left a non-holiday.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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    JPL says:

    I miss May Day with May baskets and all.

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    But the point is: always check to see if Trump is doing is something new, or something routine that’s looks new now that he’s POTUS.

    This is key. The right went apeshit over stuff like this when Obama did it, let’s not repeat their idiocy.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    An economically anxious White man gets 15 years for shooting 5 BLM protesters.

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    Neldob says:

    This post was the perfect coda to watching the film Karl Marx City last night. It featured the Stasi in E Germany.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @JPL: Remember dancing around the May Pole? Did that in kindergarten.

    @Cacti: Stalin gave himself the rank of Generalissimo in WWII.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Schlemazel: I wonder if California, Maryland, and Massachusetts would consider splitting into, say, 15-20 new states to make it effectively impossible to get the 2/3 to call a Article V Convention.

    We shouldn’t automatically assume we’re doomed.


    The language of Article V leaves no discretion to Congress, merely stating that Congress “shall” call a convention when the proper number of state applications have been received. Comments made at the time the Constitution was adopted indicate that it was understood when the Constitution was drafted that Congress would have no discretion. In The Federalist, Alexander Hamilton stated that when the proper number of applications had been received, Congress was “obliged” to call a convention and that “nothing is left to the discretion of Congress.”[26] James Madison also affirmed Hamilton’s contention that Congress was obligated to call a convention when the requisite number of states requested it.[27] In the North Carolina debates about ratifying the Constitution, James Iredell, who subsequently became one of the founding members of the Supreme Court, stated that when two-thirds of states have applied to Congress for a convention, Congress is “under the necessity of convening one” and that they have “no option.”[28]

    By citing the Constitution’s Necessary and Proper Clause, Congress has tried to enact a statute to regulate how an Article V convention would function. Sponsored by the late Senator Sam Ervin, such a bill passed the U.S. Senate unanimously in 1971 and again in 1973, but the proposed legislation remained bottled up in the Committee on the Judiciary in the U.S. House of Representatives and died both times. Senator Orin Hatch made a similar proposal several times in the late 1980s culminating in 1991 with no more success. Opponents to congressional regulation of an Article V convention’s operations argue that neither Article I nor Article V of the Constitution grants Congress this power, and that the Founders intended that Congress “have no option.” There has been no opportunity for Federal courts to decide whether Congress has such authority because such legislation has never been adopted by Congress.

    While Congress likely has no authority to limit the scope of an Article V convention[citation needed], some scholars believe that states do have that power. Larry Sabato is one scholar who advanced that view.[29] Some feel that Congress’s duty to call a convention when requested by the states means that it must call the convention that the states requested. If the states, therefore, request a convention limited to a certain subject matter, then the convention that is called would likely need to be limited in the way the states requested.[30]

    There would undoubtedly be years of legal challenges.

    Politicians like being able to control the rules and the process. It sounds like an Article V Convention risks opening up a whole bag of worms that are too risky for even bombthrowing politicians to rely upon to get their ways.


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    Mike J says:


    I miss May Day with May baskets and all.

    May Day is the day kids from all across America dress in black and come to Seattle to throw a brick at a Starbucks.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @James Powell:

    Whatever you think is the worst conceivable outcome, square it and then multiply by two.

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    Bonnie says:

    It’s never been Loyalty Day on any of my calendars any time in my 72 years. It has been May Day for me, My Mom always had us kids take May Day baskets to the neighbors before we went to school. The baskets contained my Mom’s absolutely the best fudge ever and her divine divinity and spring flowers from her gardens. I read in some countries it was labor/workers’ day; but, other than that, it is just a day to be nice to your neighbors.

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    HeleninEire says:

    Ahhhhhh, shit!! Bruno Mars is here at the 3 Arena and I had no idea. I AM IN LOVE WITH BRUNO MARS. I don’t know how I missed it except that they must have sold the tickets a year ago. Had I known Idda shown up at the arena with boatloads of cash. I haz a sad. A friend who is a bartender right outside of Connelly Station said that last night he got a bunch of the people leaving the Arena on their way home stopping by.

    He promised me that if Bruno stops by tonight he’ll ring me.

    A girl can dream!

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I remember it being a day dedicated to the Virgin Mary when I was a Catholic. I don’t remember any of this Loyalty Day stuff, and I’m 47.

    I know there are a lot of weird little remembrances that it’s standard for a president to do but, as we’ve already seen with the Holocaust memorial proclamation, Trump can fuck up a two-car parade.

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    JPL says:

    @Mike J: See Bonnie (34) remembers too. Often I’ll tell my adult sons, that it the olden days …… The latest was in the olden days, republicans were fiscally conservative, who paid their bills. They both laugh at the thought.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    And Maypoles. Loved doing that in grade school.

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    Firebert says:

    All spring holidays are mere shadows compared to Eeyore’s Birthday.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I think May 1 is devoted to the Virgin Mary, but we were suburban Catholics and that kind of stuff never really took. I think my grandparents used to make all their kids say a rosary every night after dinner for the whole month of May, but I’d have to double check. I had eight plus years of CCD, but I don’t think I ever once made it past the first set of beads, eight or ten prayers, a mix of Hail Marys and Our Fathers, and that long one I don’t think I ever learned. My dad joined a regular Sunday foursome and my mother lost her enforcement arm. Guilt and going out to lunch or brunch could get us to Mass for a while, if we kept walking out the door after communion, shaving off ten or fifteen minutes

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    debbie says:


    I sometimes wonder what my dad (who died in 1974, before Nixon left in shame) would make of today’s Republican Party. He was very conservative, but he had a heart, which would probably get him kicked out of the party.

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    Mary says:

    @Another Scott:

    I wonder if California, Maryland, and Massachusetts would consider splitting into, say, 15-20 new states to make it effectively impossible to get the 2/3 to call a Article V Convention.

    Problem is that if you did that it’s more likely that most of the splinter states would be conservative. Even in deeply blue states, the liberals are pretty highly concentrated geographically.

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    germy says:

    @HeleninEire: He displayed comedic talent on SNL. I believe youtube has some clips.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Bonnie: Isn’t May 1st the half-way point of Spring? Six weeks in, six weeks more to go?

    Halloween is the half-way point of Autumn, Groundhog’s Day is the half-way point of Winter.

    I subscribe to the theory that if you look carefully enough, you’ll notice that whenever the weather changes, there is a holiday.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    There was a way of making baskets out of construction paper. I would make them every year, load them up with violets and lily of the valley from my grandmother’s side yard, take them to various neighbors’ houses, hang them on the front door handle, ring the bell, and hide. Hiding to watch the people look all around and then discover the pretty basket was always such fun!

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Mnemosyne: Trump could screw up a one car funeral.

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    @Mary: I don’t know why people always forget that the states that brought you Ronald Reagan, Mitt Romney, Darrell Issa, and Scott Brown have big conservative pockets.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I have never heard of Loyalty Day.

    It sounds like something a car dealer would think up.

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    rikyrah says:


    Van Jones: Obama should do ‘poverty tour’
    04/30/17 01:31 PM EDT

    Former Obama adviser and CNN political analyst Van Jones suggested President Obama go on a “poverty tour” as a way to mitigate some of the criticism surrounding news he’ll make $400,000 for a speech at a Wall Street firm’s healthcare conference.

    “We need a Bobby Kennedy in this country,” Jones said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday.

    He suggested the former president “go to Appalachia, go to Native American reservations where they’re shoving these pipelines down their throats and they don’t even have clear, running water. Go to South Central, go to the Arizona border where you have a lot of poverty.”

    He noted that most recent presidents have made such paid remarks after leaving office, and said Obama “should not be the first president to have to be broke.”

    But, he added, “If he would do a poverty tour first, from a moral point of view, it would be great for him to do.”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Major Major Major Major: @Major Major Major Major: also Charlie Baker and a prelapsarian Arnold S. And Maryland has a Republican governor who at least as of a couple months ago was one of the most popular in the country

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    germy says:

    @rikyrah: Perhaps Van can do that tour.

    Pres. Obama has said he will be working on GOTV and fighting gerrymandering.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Isn’t May 1st the half-way point of Spring? Six weeks in, six weeks more to go?

    Halloween is the half-way point of Autumn, Groundhog’s Day is the half-way point of Winter.

    Yup, they are the “quarter days” of the old pagan calendar, midway between the solstice and the equinox. Today (April 30) is Walpurgis Night, and tomorrow (May 1) is Beltane. The holiday that falls around August 1 is Lughnasadh (Lammas).

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    sharl says:

    Loyalty Day? Bah, nothing but DISLOYALTY for as far as the eye can see, if you ask me:

    Sebastian Gorka to accept role outside White House

    A White House source said Gorka’s role has always been unclear and said Gorka never had national security issues in his portfolio. “This guy has always been a big mystery to me,” the source said of Gorka’s contributions to the staff.

    The source said Gorka’s only known duties included speaking on television about counterterrism [sic], as well as “giving White House tours and peeling out in his Mustang,” but added that he had few notable responsibilities.

    That’s no way to speak of this nation’s preeminent NatSec stud-muffin!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @rikyrah: Will Obama become his president again?

    I actually think it’s a pretty good idea, but Jones just poisoned it by making it seem like Obama has something to atone for

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    SFAW says:


    Maybe Van can take his own tour, call it the “Economically Anxious” Tour. Be interesting to see how that works out for him.

    How did this moron ever have a megaphone in the first place? (Outside of Obama handing him one, unfortunately.)

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    James Powell says:


    I got it! Obama should wear a hair shirt when he gives the speech.

    Or has somebody already suggested that?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I have never heard of Loyalty Day.

    It sounds like something a car dealer would think up.

    With a little card they stamp every time you go in for a service call. Ten stamps and they’ll replace your washer fluid for free.

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    SFAW says:


    Ten stamps and they’ll replace your washer fluid for free.

    If it’s “ten stamps and they replace the Moron-in-Chief and his entire Administration,” then sign me up ASAP, PDQ, tout de suite, and right fucking now.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SFAW: (Outside of Obama handing him one, unfortunately.)

    Just a few years ago, Obama was a goat for throwing this great progressive hero under the veal pen

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    john fremont says:

    @James Powell: Also term limits would be written in for all mmembers of Congress. The Commerce clause would be rewritten as would the 14th, 15th and 22nd Amendments.. , the establishment of post offices and post roads would be removed, as would the 16th Amendment to be replaced with a,VAT. A balanced budget clause would be added that would authorize the borrowing by the Treasury only during a declaration of war/authorization of military force by Congress. That would be in the second week.
    Also too, the words “under God” will be inserted somewhere into the Preamble.

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    Timurid says:


    Maybe Van can take his own tour, call it the “Economically Anxious” Tour.

    I watched many fine instructional films in the 80’s which warned me of the hazards of such an undertaking. I remember lots of unpleasantness involving power tools, farm implements, demonic rituals, cannibalism, etc

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Oh. My. Dog.

    Trump has invited the president of the Philippines to visit.

    Trump and Duterte. What a pair.

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    hitchhiker says:


    Van effing Jones should have a seat.

    Seriously, who does he think he is, offering advice to Obama on how to manage his morals? The last time I heard Jones speak, he was on some podcast claiming that if he’d done what HRC did, he’d be in jail. IOW, he’s what we call an unreliable narrator.

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    dogwood says:

    Poverty tours are big with a segment of the party. John Edwards had them swooning in 07/08.

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    RepubAnon says:

    I wonder whether anyone’s pointed out that if the libel laws allow Trump to sue the media – Hillary Clinton would be able to sue Breitbart into oblivion… not to mention Maureen O’Dowd.

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    Gvg says:

    I have never heard of loyalty day and I am 53. Frankly it sounds stupid. July 4 th is for celebrating America.
    May 1 halfway thru spring? Wow. It’s summer here. climates differ.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Alex Wright‏ @ alwrightthen 1h1 hour ago
    What’s stunning is people caring more about the $$ the Obamas are making over the table than the $$$$ Trump has been making under it.

    and my favorite tweet about this whole mishegas

    Cameron Esposito‏Verified account @ cameronesposito Apr 29
    Not to blow up anybody’s spot but $400k is ~ what Larry the Cable Guy charges for an appearance & he’s not the 1st black president.

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    John Revolta says:

    I’ve never heard of Loyalty Day, and I remember people freaking out over Sputnik.

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    burnspbesq says:


    I read that in the middle of lunch. It did not go well for me.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    This isn’t ‘Trump normalizing’

    I wasn’t disputing the history. I’m well aware of what the history of “Loyalty Day” is all about.

    We know Trump will totally distort the meaning of this and make it all about himself. So saying he’s doing what all these other Presidents have done IS normalizing him. And it’s bullshit.

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    dogwood says:

    Jones is a black man with a paying gig on cable news. If he doesn’t criticize Obama, they’ll give the spot to Harold Ford or maybe even some white dude who will do the same.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @hitchhiker: The last time I heard Jones speak, he was on some podcast claiming that if he’d done what HRC did, he’d be in jail.

    Holy crap

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    Jeffro says:

    @PaulWartenberg: #propsforDDreference

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @germy: I see your pettiness and raise the level of pettiness up several notches as Trump gets Argentina to drop award for President Jimmy Carter. Republicans truly are a nasty lock. It’s amazing that they consider themselves to be Christians.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: we had the good fortune to be in Florence one Walpurgis night a few years ago. Revelry, lots of wine, beer, and music. Instead of stopping at midnight, like New Year’s Eve, it did not stop until the city served breakfast in one of the many piazzas. I cannot recall the Italian name, but it translated to “white night.” A good time was had by all, including us.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: And that is perfectly okay behavior that doesn’t even get challenged. Imagine if Black people did the same to non-Black folks at BLM rallies.

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    May 1 is also Maharashtra Day, 67 th birthday of the state of Maharashtra with its capital as Mumbai.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @rikyrah: LOL!! Maybe our first Black President should just forego all money, become dirt poor and barefoot and live as a bum to satisfy White liberals who have general beef with Democrats. Sounds like a great plan to me. After all, why should the first Black President get to do what all other former Presidents have done in the past? There’s just something different about President Obama to explain why he must be treated differently.

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    OT Lawn care question, we just hired the guy who lives opposite us to mow our lawn every other week for $60. Its about an acre. Seems like a good deal. So I can focus on the garden.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    ASAP, PDQ, tout de suite, and right fucking now.

    Immediately, if not sooner.

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    @Patricia Kayden: The butthurt over O’s speaking fees is ridiculous and infuriating at the same time.

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    Ohio Mom says:

    @Mike J: That was cute and good for a few chuckles. I’ll have to make it a point watch some more Jonathan Coulton videos.

    Maybe you should have included @Jim, Foolish Literalist: too — the pagan response to mid-Spring explain why the Catholic Church was so determined to put its own stamp on the day. I’d ever heard May 1st
    was dedicated to the *Virgin* Mary — those Church fathers were quite the jokesters, weren’t they?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    The kindest and most generous thing I can say is, “They deserve each other.”

    But OY.

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    Marcopolo says:

    @rikyrah: this is the same Van Jones who gushed over the Orange one’s joint session speech stealing the honor & patriotism of a Navy SEAL who died under his command. If I recall, Jones said something as anime like, “Trump became President tonight,” after hearing that part of the speech.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    That’s the state that my friend in high school was from — they would spend a couple of months there in the summer and we would send letters using those airmail sheets that fold in on themselves to form an envelope.

    I can’t remember exactly where, though, and it looks like a pretty big state.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    That sounds delightful!

    You know the spooky piece by Mussorgsky “Night on Bare (Bald) Mountain”? Nearly everyone thinks of it as a Halloween piece, but it was actually written for Walpurgis.

    /Today’s totally useless fact

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    @Mnemosyne: It is a state on the west coast of India. My ancestral home is the city of Mumbai which is India’s LA (film industry) and NYC (finance capital) rolled into one.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    That’s how Christianity managed to take over most of Europe — missionaries would show up and say, You guys have a spring festival at the Equinox? That’s so weird, because WE have a festival that same day, and ours is way more fun. You should come to our party. They’re pretty sure that’s how Christmas became a winter holiday when most of the narrative in the New Testament would place it in the spring: the Christians needed a good midwinter feast.

    I recently saw a theory that one of the reasons it took so long to stamp out Catholicism in England was that the Catholic Church had way more feast days and holidays than the Protestant churches did, and most people were reluctant to give those up, especially in the rural areas.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    those airmail sheets that fold in on themselves to form an envelope.

    I loved those! The postage was pre-applied, so you could go to the Post Office, stock up, and write to overseas friends whenever you felt like it. I had a Scottish pen pal for years, and must have sent her a couple of hundred of those air letters. (Would love to track her down, but her name wasn’t uncommon, and I feel certain that she would have married and changed her surname anyhow. She may well not even be alive now, but it would be such fun to find her and resume the correspondence with both of us in our 70s instead of our teens as we were then.)

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I know they visited Mumbai, but I don’t think the family was from there. They were Brahmins and her dad was a cardiologist, so they had kind of a country house. Or the suburbs? It was 30 years ago and I’m relying on memory.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    It might not be as hard to find her as you think, because traditionally Scottish women didn’t change their names after marriage. No idea if it’s more common now.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I didn’t forget. ;-) (I thought of that, and though of the issue that Congress has to approve new states.)

    It was just an example of the complications in calling a Article V Convention.


    FOAVC has recently published the applications listed by amendment subject and by numeric count of applying states. Based on photographic copies of applications already submitted to Congress, the amendment subject list shows that at least four different amendment subjects have achieved the necessary two thirds mark to cause a convention. However FOAVC maintains amendment subject is the incorrect method to count applications as the text of Article V does not describe same subject. Instead it favors a simple numeric count of applying states as described by Article V, Supreme Court rulings, statements of Congress and historic records.[2] This list shows that ten conventions are currently mandated to be called[3][4]


    It is unclear from the language of Article V—and subject to debate—as to whether an application, once made by a state legislature, may be subsequently revoked by that state’s legislature. It is also unclear whether congress proposing an amendment negates all applications directed toward that topic.


    Only the legislature of Hawaii has never approved an Article V convention application.

    It’s a mess. A bunch of states demanding a Convention would result in years of lawsuits, and lots of motivated voters.

    I’m not losing sleep over this. I remember people talking about calling a Convention when I was a kid in the ’60s.

    (Who recognizes that things can change, and sometimes very quickly.)

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    @Mnemosyne: My family are native Mumbaikars with deep roots in the city, related to one of the founding fathers of the city, no less! Was her family from Konkan? That’s the western strip of Maharashtra.

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    J R in WV says:

    @john fremont:

    Plus the statement in paragraph 3 of Article VI:

    3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    How long would that last in a Constitutional Convention? Not long, I’m thinking. We’d be lucky if people not duly admitted to the Southern Baptist Convention were allowed to be any part of the government, from President down to Cleanup Guy at the former national parks, now Marriott Playgrounds.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I’ve done searches under the name by which I knew her, but it is a pretty common name (first and last) and the sheer number of listings is rather daunting. But it’s been a few years since I tried, and I have a bit more time at my disposal now than I did when I was working. I’ll give it another go.

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    dogwood says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    These people aren’t treating Obama differently. There’s a segment of liberals, and they aren’t all white (Cornell West) who really hate democrats of all races who actually rise to positions of power. Right now it’s pretty slim pickings to find a story about any Democrat that can cause some outrage. This was the first shot for the anti-dems and the media, a marriage made in heaven.

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    chopper says:


    so what’s the question.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Ohio Mom:

    Try this one, “Re: Your Brains.” A hilarious parody. One of my students turned me on to it.

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    @chopper: Is that a good deal? I think so but wanted the hive mind to weigh in too.

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    zhena gogolia says:


    Sounds like a good price to me.

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    Another Scott says:

    @schrodingers_cat: It probably depends on the amount of competition in the area. I think that’s around the going rate around here for our 1/4-1/3 acre lots, but it can be substantially less if you sign a contract for weekly mowings for the growing season. It probably depends on how much edging needs to be done as well.


    (Who still cuts his own grass.)

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    skerry says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I pay $50 for a half-acre with a fence in suburban MD. So $60 sounds fair to me.

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    Hal says:

    @rikyrah: Yeah, cause there’s nothing condescending or insincere about a poverty tour by someone already worth millions.

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    ThresherK says:

    @rikyrah: I wonder what PrudentLiberal Ruth Marcus (TM) has to say about Van Jones agreeing with her on Obama’s speaking fees.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: not useless to me! Thanks!

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    MomSense says:

    If you want something inspirational to think about instead of Dolt45 please let me introduce you to a lovely person I just met. His name is Rob Pope. He’s a veterinarian and marathon champion from Liverpool. He’s recreating Forest Gump’s run to raise money for World Wildlife Fund and Peace Direct. He is now on his way from Port Clyde, Maine to Chicago. He stopped to run the Boston Marathon on his way to Maine!
    Check him out juicers.

    going the distance run

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    tom says:

    @schrodingers_cat: $60 per cut seems reasonable to me. It’s about what I pay my guy for about the same.

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    Goku says:

    @RepubAnon: I never thought of that, What would stop liberal figures from suing RW news outlets into bankruptcy?

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    cain says:

    I was in India when they changed the name from Bombay to Mumbai. The whole reason for that change was bullshit. It will always be Bombay to me. ::shows middle finger to CM of Maharashtra::

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Goku: Liberal figures would never win cases with the Judges that republicans would out in place.

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    @cain:It was always called Mumbai in Marathi and Gujarati. What does the current CM have to do with this I have no idea. Calling Madras and Calcutta by their local names is A OK but calling Bombay by its non Anglicized version is a great imposition. Whatever.

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    amk says:

    who da fuck is bothsidesdoit nicole hemmer?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Goku: It is extraordinarily difficult for a public figure to win a defamation suit in the US.

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    amk says:

    @cain: I thought that too about Madras. But now Mumbai, Chennai & Kolkata have been ‘normalized’. Only thing that seems to have come unstuck is Bengaluru.

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    @amk:What is the origin of Chennai? Husband kitteh has no idea.

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    amk says:

    @schrodingers_cat: It used to be called Chennapatnam, after a telugu nayak ruler, before the limeys named it as Madras. It’s not a tamilian name at all but somehow was pushed by local pols and it got stuck.

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    TenguPhule says:


    How delusional are they to think they can get a Constitutional amendment?

    How much jury rigging do they think they can get away with to pull it off?

    Well let’s see, they’ve used it at least twice to steal presidential elections.

    So they must think the odds look quite good from their side.

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    TenguPhule says:


    That’s a possible outcome if we fuck this up.

    What do you mean if?

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Goku: Rightwing judges.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @TenguPhule: Everything isn’t a conspiracy. See my comment above.

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    @amk: Thanks! I had no idea.

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    trnc says:

    @Another Scott:

    I wonder if California, Maryland, and Massachusetts would consider splitting into, say, 15-20 new states to make it effectively impossible to get the 2/3 to call a Article V Convention.

    I seriously doubt congress would vote for a 30-40% increase in states that are mostly liberal, and I doubt liberal residents in those states would want to break up their electoral power as long as the electoral college exists. And Republicans sure as hell aren’t going to give up that gravy train.

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    trnc says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s amazing that they consider themselves to be Christians.

    Lots of people consider themselves Christians.

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    Bonnie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s the way I remember it, too.

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