Numbers of Interest: “New database details White House officials’ finances”

From the Center for Public Integrity:

On Friday night, the White House began releasing financial disclosures for scores of key employees — including familiar names such as Press Secretary Sean Spicer, Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway and Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

Reporters from dozens of news organizations, including the Associated Press, the New York Times, ProPublica and the Washington Post, then compiled and reported on the documents, which the White House released one-by-one.

The Center for Public Integrity compiled data from those disclosures into a searchable, sortable database, which provide a window into the wealth, assets and business interests of many of the people closest to President Donald Trump. The Center for Public Integrity’s news developer, Chris Zubak-Skees, extracted these details from more than 90 reports, released in PDF format, using a software tool he created

No doubt all kinds of interesting details might be extracted; Bannon has a dozen lines on the database, but Jared Kushner has no fewer than 265






171 replies
  1. 1
    kindness says:

    I wonder how much they all earn off the books. You know it happens.

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    Baud says:

    Get to work, AL.

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    jl says:

    I have no comment. I am still staggering around completely stunned that the GOP House Nobamacare repeal and replace negotiations fell apart again. But they promised, they promised us a health care pony unicorn with cheap premiums, no deductables, and painless wonder care for all once that that bad black man could have given us, but didn’t because he is just so damned mean.

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    Gravenstone says:

    Bannon apparently threatened the quit the White House after getting turfed off the NSC. My first through was that one of the Mercer’s basically told him to suck it up because they put him in Trump’s orbit for a reason. This chart tends to reinforce that belief that he’s still their useful idiot to influence the other useful idiot in the Oval Office.

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    germy says:

    The Jane Mayer article made it clear there’s a whole bunch of businesses sharing the same address.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Gravenstone: annon apparently threatened the quit the White House after getting turfed off the NSC.
    Rachel Maddow pretty much laughed in the face of the Bloomberg reporter (Eli Lake’s colleague) who was giving an incredibly credulous (I’m judging her tone) review of the quasi-official story that Bannon was just there to keep an eye on Flynn, who he and Reince didn’t trust, but Trump did.

    So the story Reince (and Kellyanne, I’d bet a kidney) want out there isn’t just that Flynn needed a baby sitter, but that they couldn’t trust their fucking president to be in a room with Flynn. That’s the best spin they could come up with.

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    A database to analyze, you say?

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    Kropadope says:

    @jl:

    I am still staggering around completely stunned that the GOP House Nobamacare repeal and replace negotiations fell apart again.

    It’s like Boehner said, Republicans haven’t ever agreed on healthcare policy for the duration of his tenure. I’d add that putting the monkeys in charge of the zoo certainly isn’t gonna make anything better.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gravenstone: The chart is, however, incomplete. What we need to see are the links to the Mercers as well as the Mercers links to Bannon and Trump.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    A database to analyze, you say?

    Well, I didn’t want to put you on the spot, if you hadn’t had a chance to finish your dinner…

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    lollipopguild says:

    I Love the kitteh!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Barely related to healthcare, I will get this motherfucking cast/splint/bandage off my arm tomorrow, even if only temporarily. I’ve literally dreamed about this for the last two days. Like literally literally.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gravenstone:

    he’s still their useful idiot to influence the other useful idiot in the Oval Office.

    President Bannonazi’s stupidity, ignorance, incompetence and arrogance, times assistant Vermilion Vermin’s stupidity, ignorance, incompetence and arrogance, equals stupidity, ignorance, incompetence and arrogance squared.
    Keep him right there until he’s indicted, thanks.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Bannon has a dozen lines on the database, but Jared Kushner has no fewer than 265…

    and Conway only has one… I guess it would be hard to track the money to a polling firm from someone [ed: Rebekah Mercer, I mean] who can fund a super PAC with about as much thought as I would give to getting a $5 Starbucks.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    And we have another one. Down goes Frazier!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This isn’t the guy who died in the bathtub earlier today, right?

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    efgoldman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I will get this motherfucking cast/splint/bandage off my arm tomorrow, even if only temporarily.

    Has it at least kept the pain down?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: My Russian is basically non existent so I’m not sure.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I haven’t followed it as carefully, but was Frazier implicated in the Trumpocalypse?

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    dmsilev says:

    @jl: Until they figure out how to deal with the central paradox of GOP healthcare ‘policy’, they’re stuck. That paradox is that if the bill is harsh enough to appeal to the Freedom Caucus crowd, it will scare away the Reps from swing districts who don’t want to have to campaign on ‘brought back pre-existing condition denials’ and similar, but assuaging the concerns of the swingers will cause the loons to shriek ‘Obamacare Lite! No Want!’.

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    lollipopguild says:

    So after the Mercers and the Kochs and Murdoch take our country back to say the 1920’s what do they do then? Once they do this they are going to have to encase the country in amber to prevent “the perfect society” from changing. One big reason communism in Russia died was that the commies wanted any change to be minimal because any real change was a threat to communist party control.

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    @Anne Laurie: the important thing to discern is the line of inquiry, deriving the mechanics is surprisingly simple. So what’s the question?

    EDIT: or I could just make a graph.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Gravenstone: @efgoldman:

    Moreover, Mr. Bannon’s Svengali-style reputation has chafed on a president who sees himself as the West Wing’s only leading man. Several associates said the president had quietly expressed annoyance over the credit Mr. Bannon had received for setting the agenda — and Mr. Trump was not pleased by liberals’ considering him “President Bannon.”

    What’s gonna happen when Alec Baldwin shows up on SNL this weekend?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @dmsilev:

    assuaging the concerns of the swingers

    Wouldn’t simply throwing a key party take care of that?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MisterForkbeard: No. Just in the Thrila in Manila.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: What was the middle part again?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dmsilev: And it also has to pass muster with the home state governors and/or legislatures. The states with GOP governors and/or legislators that have taken the Medicaid expansion are unhappy with what has been going on. And I’m sure they have let the members of their Congressional delegations know.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Far better would be social network analysis. How proficient are you with Y-ed Graph?

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know I did. *Again*. The hard-right is just determined to kill me and everyone like me off, and they won’t rest until they’re masturbating on our gravestones.

    Fortunately for me, they are NOT the majority they think they are, even in the House. Gerrymandered safe ultra-right districts do not a *voting* majority make.

    (Why yes, I read the Rude Pundit. Why do you ask?)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It says he fell off a spiral staircase and hit his head on the floor. Many of those “saunas” are known for providing gentlemen with companionship.

    The article also says the authorities removed the entire surveillance system, not just the recordings.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @efgoldman: Hard to say. At this point I’d classify it as mostly discomfort as opposed to pain. The important thing from the surgeon’s point of view was immobilizing everything.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ArchTeryx:

    Gerrymandered safe ultra-right districts do not a *voting* majority make.

    Gerrymandering works the other way. It tends to create a lot of districts in which the ruling party has a small majority and some districts where the minority party has monster majorities. It makes for a situation where a wave election can have a huge effect.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    The article also says the authorities removed the entire surveillance system, not just the recordings.

    Of course they did.

    Any idea if this is the same guy that was killed by his bathtub or another one? My impression from the translation you’ve provided is its another one.

    And thanks.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was thinking more along the lines of orangutans and tossing in a few bunches of bananas.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Rachel Maddow pretty much laughed in the face of the Bloomberg reporter (Eli Lake’s colleague) who was giving an incredibly credulous (I’m judging her tone) review of the quasi-official story that Bannon was just there to keep an eye on Flynn, who he and Reince didn’t trust, but Trump did.

    I flipped back to MLB Network once the reporter started parroting the WH lies about Bannon’s reason for being on the NSC. Talk about clueless…

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This is not the guy who “fell” out of his window while hoisting the Jacuzzi.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I got that. But yesterday there was a member of the Russian legislature who “slipped in the bath, hit his head, and died”.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    The article also says the authorities removed the entire surveillance system, not just the recordings.

    It pays to be thorough.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: If the gerrymandering is good enough it can resist all but the biggest waves. 2012 wasn’t really a *wave* election, but IIRC the House vote that year was pretty lopsided in the D’s favor but they barely gained any seats in the House.

    2006 was possible in part because the gerrymanders of the time were not computer-perfect and in part because of changing demographics. Example: I was in a district that was heavily gerrymandered for the R, OH-15. Deborah Pryce, the R incumbent, kept her seat despite the wave that year, but it was so close she retired in 2008, leading to Mary Jo Kilroy, a D, winning the district for the first time since its creation.

    She got to keep it all of 2 years.

    When the R crew drew the maps in 2010, they undid the “cracking” of Columbus (into several districts) and replaced it with “packing”. Now the city elects a D by 80-90%, and EVERY surrounding district votes hard right, because the rurals are all that are left in them. That’s a gerrymander no D wave will touch.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I think that’s the same guy.

    You need a goddamned scorecard with this.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Gin & Tonic: A spiral staircase in a sauna? Um, okay. (As most of the population of Finland falls off its chairs in uncontrollable laughter.)

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Gin & Tonic: So many hygiene related deaths.

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    Lyrebird says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I think that little kitten is named Major.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Lizzy L: In fairness, “sauna” is used there not just to mean the tiny wood-paneled room you think of, but the whole bathhouse complex, which will have multiple rooms with varying degrees of privacy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yep. There are several, but I couldn’t find one that’s been updated this week…

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Gravenstone:

    So many hygiene related deaths.

    Maybe that’s why Bannon looks so scruffy — a guy can’t be too careful!

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    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Wouldn’t simply throwing a key party take care of that?

    No, Roger Stone is involved.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Says Senator Tyulpanov, if that helps.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ArchTeryx: I spent 15 years in Columbus. So let’s use it. C-bus is naturally Gerrymandered. The blue goes from Merion and German Villages up High St. to (arguably) Worthington – then east towards Bexley along Broad St. Liberals in C-bus self-gerrymandered. Lots of places aren’t like that.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gin & Tonic: @zhena gogolia: Same one then. I had posted the link to the article about it yesterday. The initial reports were he’d slipped in the tub and hit his head.
    http://russia.liveuamap.com/en.....supposedly

    Interfax: Russian senator Vadim Tulpanov Died. Supposedly “slipped in the bathtub and hit in the head”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: He knows how they work….

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Tommy Vietor‏Verified account @ TVietor08 26m26 minutes ago
    It is INSANE how many senior White House staffers had to babysit Trump’s interview with maggieNYT and GlennThrush
    At least six White House aides were sitting in: Gary D. Cohn, President Trump’s lead economic adviser and a former president of Goldman Sachs; Reed Cordish, an assistant to the president; Sean Spicer, the press secretary; Hope Hicks, a long-serving Trump aide; and eventually Vice President Mike Pence and the chief of staff, Reince Priebus.

    huh, “my Kellyanne” is missing again

    Brian Stelter‏Verified account
    @ brianstelter
    Trump, not NYT reporters originally brought up O’Reilly. As Trump praised his old friend, Hope Hicks said “Can we get to infrastructure?”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    TRUMP: Elijah Cummings [a Democratic representative from Maryland] was in my office and he said, “You will go down as one of the great presidents in the history of our country.”
    HABERMAN: Really.
    TRUMP: And then he went out and I watched him on television yesterday and I said, “Was that the same man?”
    [Laughter.]
    TRUMP: But I said, and I liked him, but I said that was really nice. He said, in a group of people, “You will go down as one of the great presidents in the history of our country.” And then I watched him on television and I said, “Is that the same man that said that to me?”

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    randy khan says:

    @jl:

    My response to the re-negotiations breaking down was “Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.”

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    MomSense says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It’s like the worst game of Clue ever.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Here’s what it says at the link: “According to preliminary information, Senator Vadim Tyulpanov died as a result of falling from a spiral staircase in the athletic-health center ‘Oasis’ in Ogorodnyi Lane. The law-enforcement employees who arrived at the scene saw a man lying on the floor. The apparent cause of death was head trauma. According to preliminary information the senator died before the ambulance came. According to a source among law-enforcement organs, Tyulpanov was climbing a spiral staircase, slipped, and fell.” A commenter says, “Ha, it’s a bordello known in the entire neighborhood.”

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    rikyrah says:

    @dmsilev:
    There are 23 GOP Reps from districts that Hillary won. That’s enough to flip the House. And, the DNC should already be flooding their districts with ads, mailings against them, and going door to door finding every Few voter that they can.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yep, but that doesn’t make it that different then a lot of cities. You pack the central city areas, the black districts, and the “collegetown” type districts, and you put the surburbs and rurals together in all the surrounding districts. The city elects a guaranteed D, all the surrounding districts elect a virtually guaranteed R. Do it well enough, and you can beat demographics on a nearly permanent basis.

    Admittedly I left the city in 2008 after I graduated from Ohio State. I wasn’t there to see Mary Jo Kilroy actually get elected, and that made me really sad – I’d worked for her campaign a couple of times as a volunteer. Sadder still, she didn’t get elected to the new Columbus district – apparently her years in the Columbus city council left her enough enemies she couldn’t even win the D primary any more.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @zhena gogolia: So slipped in the bath and hit his head is a euphemism for fell off a staircase in a brothel and hit his head.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I think I would, in fairness, call that a spa. Or possibly, a ranch, as in the Mustang Ranch.

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    Carpe per diem

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    sukabi says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: pretty sure Cummings wouldn’t and didn’t say that. He may have said “There’s never been a president like you” or “You’re breaking ALL kinds of records” neither of which means what Drumpf thought he heard…

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    rikyrah says:

    The Russian dude Slipped?
    Really?😒😒😒

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @sukabi: “Your presidency going down will be great”

    Presumably predicting either total approval ratings tank or impeachment.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @sukabi: unless it was prefaced with something like “if you were to follow through on all of your contradictory– hell, delusional– campaign promises…”

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    MomSense says:

    @sukabi:

    More like Cummings said “You’re going down” and 45s narcissistic, delusional mind imagined the rest.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think he got Sheriff Clarke mixed up with Rep Cummings. After all, they all look alike.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GrandJury:

    Where are his tax records? What is he trying to hide!

    I’m pretty sure he’s trying to hide his tax records. I’m probably racking out early this evening, so if there’s anything else I can help with, please let me know before midnight EDT.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ArchTeryx: Cities aren’t the focus of gerrymandering. Usually it is old school suburbs. Mix the liberals moderates, and conservatives in the right way and you get a majority. Piss off the the libs and the mods and you lose it. It is how gerrymandering works.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Or “suicide by self inflicted automatic weapons fire to his back”

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    sukabi says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: winner winner chicken dinner

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @GrandJury: Just as a matter of record, since you have admitted to not being an American, where are you from, troll?

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    Aw man, this is non-trivial to put into a real database. Boo-urns.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Worst case of suicide I’ve seen in my 30 years in law enforcement…

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Don’t they usually reside under bridges?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Some may have gone hipster and moved to Brooklyn. .

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    A shout out to the our fellow travelers at Little Green Footballs for this insightful bit of analysis….

    Because the right wing, as it stands, has its own culture, and what occurs inside that culture is only dimly connected to the perceptions of the rest of the world. That we ignore a figure within this demimonde does not mean they won’t succeed, attain fame, become influential.

    This was true long before the current Derp Days of people like Chuck C Johnson. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, Mike Warnke, Carl Raschke. More recently, people like Walid Shoebat and anybody that crops up on RightWingWatch. There’s an entire constellation of culture-figures that don’t register with the rest of the world, whose ideas have become gospel truth inside the enclosed culture, who are deemed scholars and philosophers and geniuses.

    Which is pretty much why US conservatism isn’t “conservatism” in any political sense. It’s a cult, because it’s all about maintaining that solidarity of the in-group by connecting with a pantheon of authority figures. Alternate perspectives expressed aloud are attack; alternate thoughts are corruption or delusion; being different is contagious. They delve into conspiracy logic because it maintains that sense of separation, yet also explains why they fail….why they fail to win, why they fail to draw others in, why they fail morally, why they fail to feel a whole and good as they imagine they should.

    And also, for hilarity….
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/849824526187855873

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    Quinerly says:

    Brian Williams’s show is quite good tonight. Great guests. A lot of defense of Susan Rice. Yes, I know…Brian Williams…but his show is usually spot on, straight forward…informative. He has a hard time hiding his disdain for Trump.

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    amk says:

    since roberts & co(horts) made all this blatant corruption legal, isn’t this all a moot point?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Howard Beale IV: I still have trouble seeing LGF as a fellow traveler. I know this blog’s history, but LGF tolerated so much awfulness. Cole never did.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @amk: Aside from being arch, do you have something to say?

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Shit does change, though. Giving LGF something of a gimlet eye doesn’t mean not welcoming them outwardly to the fold. We need all the friends we can get these days, because in the national political scene, we have precious few of them any more.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    I think I’m gonna start a new political party, named the Howard Beale Party. Here’s my Financial Reform Plan:

    • Dodd-Frank Will be repealed – but the Consumer Finance Protection Board will be kept.
    • The Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 will be repealed.
    • The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 will be repealed.
    • The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 will be repealed.
    • The Glass-Stegal Act of 1932 will be reinstated.
    • Federal Student Debt will be allowed to be discharged in any form of Federal Bankruptcy Petition.
    • Mandatory binding arbitration clauses in financial services contracts will be declared illegal and be rendered null and void.
    • For those who are un-banked, or cannot use a commercial bank, reinstate the Postal Savings System as a Federally-charted bank, using the US Postal Service as branch offices to accept cast and check deposits, and issue ATM debit cards. These accounts would allow people to receive their Federal benefit checks electronically (Social Security, SSI)) Each Post office would deploy ATM machines to accept deposits and dispense cash. The infrastructure would be wholly run and managed by US Postal Service employees. In addition, these ATM Debit cards will allow citizens to withdraw cash surcharge-free from any ATM (Note that this not a co-branded debit card (i.e., Visa/Mastercard)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ArchTeryx: Do you see him as an advocate for you?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Good luck.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

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    danielx says:

    @Kropadope:

    I’d add that putting the monkeys in charge of the zoo certainly isn’t gonna make anything better.

    Quite true, but the shit they fling at the walls does make some interesting patterns.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Then you need a re-calibraton.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GrandJury: Exactly when have I ever cited Infowars for anything? Are you delusional as well as obnoxious? And it’s spelled maskirovka.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Dude, if i were president and had 70/30 majorities, Boom!

    Given the current world, now what?

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    danielx says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    While you’re at it, reinstate the deductibility of credit card interest.

    Yes, children, once upon a time….

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    amk says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Here's a proposed lineup for Trump. Who's Susan Rice? pic.twitter.com/YoaEYWjzpc— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 6, 2017

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    efgoldman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Some may have gone hipster and moved to Brooklyn.

    That’s the most re-sold bridge in the country, innit? Also plenty of space underneath for trolls.

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    danielx says:

    @GrandJury:

    Troll much, there?

    As far as I can tell, Adam has been pretty much correct in every particular. If you haven’t noticed, InfoWars is not exactly prone to publishing stuff that makes Trump and his minions look….questionable.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GrandJury: Newsweek, Washington Post, the Daily Beast, CNN, Time, The NY Times, The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg. Yep, definitely all on the fringe.

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    @Adam L Silverman: I see shomi has switched back into troll mode. Oh well, it was a good run.

    @GrandJury: Go fuck yourself! 😘

    ETA: @GrandJury: his right what?

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    danielx says:

    @danielx:

    Sigh…and why am I in moderation?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Howard Beale IV: Show me the apology.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GrandJury: And it’s you’re.

    I know I make typos all the time, but at least make an effort.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Here’s my Financial Reform Plan:

    Makes much much way too much sense. Never happen.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @danielx: You’re free.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @danielx: And the usury laws.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @danielx: Because FUWP, that’s why!

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    hitchhiker says:

    Anybody read the transcript in the NYT from DT’s sit down with Maggie and Glenn today?

    I am 64 yrs old. If I stayed up for 48 hours straight and drank 2 beers I would sound like the president* in that conversation. There’s something the matter with him.

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    @efgoldman: I think you’ve sold it a few times, or maybe just offered it for sale?

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    amk says:

    Fascinating new poll: Women have made 86% of the activists anti-Trump calls to Congress. The resistance is female.https://t.co/Z73PBJ8JYg— Jeff Stein (@JStein_Vox) March 31, 2017

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    efgoldman says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yep, definitely all on the fringe.

    Adam Adam Adam
    All that education
    All those degrees
    All that experience
    And you can’t tell right away that the only source that matters…

    … is between Grand Jury’s ears?

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    Wow, Kushner has between $115,000 and $300,000 in credit card debt.

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    danielx says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Of course. I forgot.

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    @hitchhiker: Even people that have known him over the years say more than a few screws have come loose.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s a lot of swag to keep Ivanka happy.

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    Mike J says:

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Here’s my Financial Reform Plan

    Let the “Judeao-Christian”[sic] country declare jubilee every seven years and declare all debts void.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mike J: That’s sabbatical every seven years. Jubilee is the fiftieth year, following the 7th of the cycle, and it returns all property – as in land, buildings, things like that – to it’s original owners.

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    @Adam L Silverman: If it were only that easy, Adam.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Pray tell, what does Charles F. Johnson have to apologize for/about? If you can’t forgive and forgert, well, I guess that’s you’re problem, not ours. If you want to act like some Purity Patty and everyone must meet your standards, well, prepare to be dissapointed in Mr. Johnson’s case while the Lizards over in LGF land are putting up a fight to defeat the fascist talking yam.

    Christ on a pony……

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    Quinerly says:

    @hitchhiker:
    I read it. Frightening. I’ll go back to what I have been saying…there is so much each day, I fear we will become numb. I thought he mostly was incoherent today at that presser…especially when he threw in the stuff towards the end about Iran, which by the way basically has been ignored by the press. He’s clueless. Tillerson, too. It’s so obvious.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s crazy. Why would he have that much credit card debt? I thought they were rich. Can’t they pay it off? Maybe they have no liquidity. Interesting….

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    Mike J says:

    Fun article in Physics Today for fans of retro thermonuclear bombs.
    http://physicstoday.scitation....../PT.3.3524

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    @efgoldman: Yeah, I thought it would make too much sense. I think I might rewrite the whole Tobin Tax section to this:

    “Conduct an exhaustive SWOT analysis of a potential Tobin Tax on certain classes of securities that are traded at higher that normal volumes to determine their impact on the overall financial markets.”

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    danielx says:

    @efgoldman:

    OT, but I looked it up….I couldn’t find the authorized strength of the 2nd Infantry Division in 1950, but it was still in a WWII divisional structure at the time – three regiments plus attached units (tank battalion, FA battalions, medical battalion and so forth). So let’s say 15,000, give or take 10%. Over the period 1950 to 1953, the division and attached units as a whole suffered 24,939 combat casualties, including 4,938 KIA and 16,166 WIA. So while it certainly wasn’t wiped out out as a unit, it was…recycled at a rate of roughly 160%.

    As a matter of interest, could be worse. There’s a website for a French WWI regiment (www.151ril.com), 151e Régiment d’Infanterie de Ligne….

    The war lasted 52 months, with the 151e in action for all but six of these. Total casualties for the regiment were roughly 300 officers and over 16,000 men, of which over 100 officers and 6,000 men were killed.* In other words, the regiment suffered a casualty rate of more than 600% (and a death rate of more than 200%) from 1914-1918.

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    @Howard Beale IV: I’d even go for a SWAT action.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Quinerly: I don’t think we’ll become numb. I think the problem is that there is just so much disastrous stuff happening with this administration it’s impossible to keep up. Treason with Russia involving most of the inner circle, a lot of the cabinet and including family, grifting and looting of the Treasury, inexperienced and unqualified appointees, nepotism, threatening war up to and including use of nuclear weapons against North Korea, possible war with Iran, insulting allies, gutting of environmental regulations and elimination of the EPA, war on science…. I’m sure I’ve left off a ton, but just those are enough to make anyone’s head spin. You focus on this thing over here and then ten other things are as bad or worse need your attention. It’s overwhelming. i’m not numb though. I’m angry and motivated to fight back. Every win is energizing. Every set back motivates me more.

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    Quinerly says:

    @Adam L Silverman: @Villago Delenda Est:
    I never watch it, but looks like Rep Cummings will be on Morning Joe in the AM. Let’s hope Trump’s bizarre statement in the interview is discussed.

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    @Yarrow: The ones with credit card debt are

    Augustine, Rene I
    Clark, Justin
    Cordish, Reed
    Kushner, Jared
    Liddell, Chris
    Munisteri, Stephen P
    Short, Marc
    Simms, Cindy
    Spicer, Sean

    Kushner has by far the most.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I haven’t heard of half those people. Are some of them lower level staffers? I still don’t understand why Jared Kushner would have credit card debt. That just seems crazy.

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    danielx says:

    @efgoldman:

    OT, but in regard to last evening’s thread – I did look it up. I couldn’t find the authorized strength of the 2nd Infantry Division in 1950, but it was still in WWII configuration: three regiments plus attached units, tank battalion, FA battalions, medical battalion and so forth. It was considerably under strength in 1950 when the “police action” started, but let’s say at full strength it was at 15,000 give or take 10%. Over the period 1950-1953, the division (plus attached/subordinate units) suffered 24,939 combat casualties, including 4,938 killed and 16,166 wounded. So yeah, the division wasn’t destroyed, but it was…recycled by about 160%.

    As a matter of interest, could be worse:

    The war lasted 52 months, with the 151e in action for all but six of these. Total casualties for the regiment were roughly 300 officers and over 16,000 men, of which over 100 officers and 6,000 men were killed.* In other words, the regiment sufferred a casualty rate of more than 600% (and a death rate of more than 200%) from 1914-1918.

    One of the reasons why that line about “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” has always pissed me off, another being that the French lost roughly 25% as many casualties KIA in six weeks in 1940(~100,000) as the US lost in four years of war (~400,000). Judge not, lest ye be judged…

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    @Yarrow: I haven’t either, beats me.

    And yeah, it’s weird, right? I’ll just assume he’s laundering Nazi gold or something.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    You can do both in DUMBO.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m going to assume that “credit card debt” doesn’t mean something you just charged this month but will pay off in full. If that’s the case, and he’s charged hundreds of thousands of dollars in a month, that’s just insane. But I would assume that “credit card debt” means the kind you carry across months. If not, then it would seem that everyone on the list would have “credit card debt.” Don’t most people use credit cards?

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    GregB says:

    I have said before, so laughable that these plutocrats snowed so many rubes into thinking they were voting against the elites.

    As far as I can tell these fucking crum bums are the top of the elitists diamond encrusted shit pile and Bannon is chief fascist propagandist. Head IllumiNazi if you will.

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    Eric U. says:

    at what point are the Russians going to start knocking off Americans? I haven’t really figured out why they are murdering Russians, but there have to be Trumpistas that know things that would make them targets, I assume.

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    efgoldman says:

    @danielx: Huh? I don’t remember typing anything about that. But we were up all night with the wet basement, I could have forgotten….

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    Yarrow says:

    @Eric U.: So far the Russians have kept to murdering Russians. I’d guess they’d probably start with someone closer to home if they branched out to killing non-Russians. I have to think that Carter Page is thinking twice before accepting a beverage from anyone, though.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @danielx, @efgoldman:

    It was raven.

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    @Yarrow: It says it was incurred in 2008 and it’s at 13.74% “revolving”.

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    danielx says:

    @efgoldman:

    Was a comment about telling the spousal unit that the last time the US Army really and truly got its ass handed to it was during the Korean War.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Wow. That is insane. They must not have much liquidity if they’re going to choose to carry that much credit card debt.

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    Calouste says:

    @danielx: France had about 5.5 million combat deaths and wounded in World War One, on a population of 39 million. That comes down to roughly half of all the men of military age. (The US had 250,000).

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    @Yarrow: Or they’re laundering Nazi gold.

    ETA: Hey, people are saying. I don’t know if it’s true but it’s something you hear.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Yarrow:

    So far the Russians have kept to murdering Russians.

    My guess is that killing American citizens would advance this particular adventure over a bright red line into the status of a warm war.

    (hi TenguPhule)

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    Slate has collected some of the lowlights from the Times interview transcript, if you feel like reading them.

    THRUSH: We’ve heard some outlines in the press — how much public money versus tax credits are we talking about?
    TRUMP: We may go public/private on some deals. We’re going to do a very big — you know, the money that was squandered by the past administrations. Squandered on airplane routing systems that don’t work. That, you know — what would you call the actual system itself? What would you say just so they know?
    UNIDENTIFIED AIDE: The current system? Land-based radar.
    TRUMP: It is so bad. It’s so out of whack. They had all of these different companies hired. Tremendous amounts of money was spent. And they don’t hook up. They didn’t hire one company. They don’t hook up.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Do you know what he’s yammering about wrt airplane routing systems? Can you explain it to me?

    This is the first I’ve heard of this.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Depending on who ‘he’ is, no, I don’t see LGF as my enemy. As far as I’m concerned “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is how I survive.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Millard Filmore: No chance unless they are literally caught red handed. The Republicans will block ANYTHING even remotely looking like something serious against Russia. Even McBullshit McCain. We’re that deep down the rabbit hole.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow: Swiss bank accounts and blood diamonds.

    Hey, it would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @ArchTeryx: “The enemy of my enemy can be used to redirect incoming fire.”

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow:

    But I would assume that “credit card debt” means the kind you carry across months.

    That would be correct. Granted, its not a good idea as you pay interest on that debt to the Credit Card Companies at insane rates. But many stupid people still do so anyway. Some of them are rich enough to afford it…most of them aren’t.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Yarrow: And the current worry is that we won’t have a working government system by the end of the month when the GOP blow the debt ceiling and mandatory funding bills.

    Because both of those require one of two things happening.

    1) Freedumb Caucus willing to compromise

    2) Trump and Ryan working with Pelosi

    Which one is more likely to happen?

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    Seriously, though, six figures of credit card debt? What the fuck?

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    @Major Major Major Major: Sounds like a cash flow problem to me

    @TenguPhule: We’ll hit a government shutdown first before the debt limit, they can’t blame it on the Near Sheriff this time.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Major Major Major Major: We read everywhere that Kushner is also up to his eyeballs in debt, right? So it makes sense that he has no “readies” on hand …. ever. That to finance his daily living expenses (and to pay the credit card monthly) he borrows on cards. It’s like in some 19th century novel, e.g. Trollope’s _The Way We Live Now_ or Thackeray’s _Vanity Fair_.

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    DissidentFish says:

    @opiejeanne: So Trump may be talking about ADS-B.

    There’s a reason only the most technically advanced companies work on air traffic control systems. They are unbelievably complicated, have a huge financial impact on the entire economy, and have zero margin for error. Trump being responsible for final decisions on this is not reassuring.

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    @DissidentFish:

    Trump being responsible for final decisions on this is not reassuring.

    Unfortunately, it is what it is.

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    @DissidentFish: @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: trump being responsible for decisions is not reassuring.

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    ArchTeryx says:

    @TenguPhule: I use that bit in World of Tanks all the time!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @DissidentFish: But is it a failure as Lumpy says?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @efgoldman:

    … is between Grand Jury’s ears?

    Those aren’t his ears ….

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I have an electricin friend who’s been working with a house flipper who had $500K in credit card debt fron buying a small apartment complex and fixing it. The debt servicing was killing him until he sold the apartments for a nice little profit and has moved onto two ultra luxury homes (11K sf ft homes.) This guy has a lot of money,not Kushner kind of money,but wealthy.
    My dad was involved in RE for years. What I observed was some people have regular jobs,make decent money in RE as a side investment and then there’s people who make decent money,don’t have a regular job for their own regular expenses so they don’t pay their bills and leave a string of unpaid contractors. The Trumps come across as the latter even though they should be making enough money for their expenses from their regular jobs (the golf resorts and licensing crap.) They’re completely overleveraged.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @opiejeanne:

    Do you know what he’s yammering about wrt airplane routing systems? Can you explain it to me?

    I’m assuming it has to do with his (the Freedumb Caucus’) desire to fire all the air traffic controllers and start over with an “efficient” privatized flight-tracking system. Because look at how the original iteration benefited St. Ronnie!

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Anne Laurie: I vaguely remember them talking about air traffic controllers before and part of it was to outsource traffic controllers to decrease costs. Not quite sure how that works.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    I vaguely remember them talking about air traffic controllers before and part of it was to outsource traffic controllers to decrease costs. Not quite sure how that works.

    IIRC, the major airlines publicly wet themselves in terror at the very thought.

    Keeping all those fragile metal shells full of meatsacks safely coming up & down on a not-infinity of runways… it doesn’t look like it should be so hard, if you’re a Congresscritter whose only mathematical talent is remembering which ‘constituent’ wrote you the biggest checks…

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Trump being responsible for anything is just not happening. It will always be someone else to blame.

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    DissidentFish says:

    @opiejeanne: Is ADS-B a failure? No. But as a part of the NexGen airspace system, which will completely replace the prior ATC system by 2025, it has a myriad of problems. But even those are not particularly close to what Trump said. They must have had some bs report on Fox about it, and the guy who runs the Executive Branch believed it — even though the entire FAA would be happy to present him the real story.

    It’s not as simple as just Republicans wanting to privatize NexGen development or all of ATC. NexGen is being developed by industry already; no matter who is running ATC, the need for a system will be there.

    More on NexGen from Wikipedia.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @mai naem mobile: During the Romney campaign I remember hearing something to the effect that the truly rich live entirely on credit, as a tax avoidance measure.

    I never really understood it, but I can make a guess. Suppose you have a billion dollars in assets, so you are earning…40 million a year in interest/capital gains, whatever. If you take the 40 million as income, Uncle Sam is going to make you pay 6 million in taxes. (15% is a scandalously low tax rate but to them, this feels like the Nazi invasion of Poland).

    So instead, you run your entire year’s expenses on your line of credit. Instead of paying tax on the money you spend, you pay interest at a much lower rate than Uncle Sam would charge.

    At that point, I’m not exactly sure how the scam works. Maybe you keep rolling the debt over until you die and your heirs can use it to reduce their share of the estate tax, or maybe you can play some game in year 2 where you count the debt as negative net worth and cancel part of the principle.

    Anyway, rich people having short term debt might not mean the same thing as regular people having short term debt.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @GrandJury: FOADIAF. That’s all the electrons I’m wasting on you.

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