If I slip, then I’m slipping

I knew Trump’s approval rating was low, but I didn’t realize this.

I’ve come to believe that what will hurt Trump most with voters is not that he’s a pussy-grabbing crook who’s being blackmailed by Putin with tapes of him peeing on prostitutes, but that he’s something much worse: a typical Republican. He’s a sucker for letting Ryancare become Trumpcare, and reg’lar Murkins like Meals On Wheels and PBS, no matter that the American Enterprise Institute thinks.

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    Baud says:

    I think it’s his voters who are the suckers. And we are along for the ride.

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    Joeff says:

    That’s what happened in 2006. But a lot of damage was done before then.

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    Timurid says:

    That 37% is more than enough to primary the GOP Congressional caucus back to the Stone Age, so this train still has no brakes…

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    Roger Moore says:

    It’s not just that he’s a typical Republican policy-wise. It’s that he’s simultaneously a typical Republican without the kind of history in the party that gives him real political capital with the rest of the party, or even the kind of political experience that would let him get some political capital. So he’s going to be advocating awful Republican policies but lack the juice to get them passed.

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    Mathguy says:

    It will eventually limit out to the infamous 27% asymptote.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Roger Moore:
    His crude and stupid lying is not winning him any love since he is not aiming at Dems now

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    @Baud: I saw yet another article today about Trump voters who were shocked at, in this case, losing Meals on Wheels, and I asked myself why I felt no sympathy. I think it’s because he never hid what he was. Any adult could see it. So his voters damaged themselves and I don’t care. I do care that they damaged other people too.

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    RobertDSC-Mac Mini says:

    And even if he doesn’t have his neener, he’s still straight trippin.

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    Yarrow says:

    What’s really going to hurt Trump is that he’s a loser. The very thing he said everyone else was. Sad!

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    bystander says:

    Adam Schiff is saying there is circumstantial evidence of collusion and direct evidence of deception. He’s a former prosecutor so I don’t think he’d say this lightly. (My Evidence professor said all evidence is circumstantial.).

    Anyway, I like that Schiff is emerging as a Dem spokesmodel.

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    Baud says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: I’m in the same place.

    And frankly, I’m tired of the Trump voter genre in the media.

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    Yarrow says:

    @bystander:
    Trump’s going down. It will happen. I have confidence. I just want him to take as many Republicans with him as possible when he goes. I think he’ll throw everyone else, with the possible exception of Ivanka, under the bus before he goes, so there’s a good chance he takes down a lot of Republicans too.

    Anyway, I like that Schiff is emerging as a Dem spokesmodel.

    Me too. Smart Dems will see that this Trump mess is an opportunity for them to lead and make their name known. He’s doing a great job.

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    Oatler. says:

    It’s religion (politics). The fucked-over “base” will stab themselves, or others, rather than see the light.

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    Baud says:

    Trump is at 37% while still enjoying the honeymoon, the fruits of the Obama economy, and the absence of any major non-self-inflicted crises.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Two months in and a few of them are waking up and smelling the fire, others will take longer others will never leave trump no matter what he says or does.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Baud: Gee, what wonders/horrors await us?

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym says:

    @Yarrow: I would prefer that he go down before we’re engaged in a massive World War in China or North Korea with a newly-revived draft.

    Or a very quick nuclear exchange. That would be unpleasant too.

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    Baud says:

    @lollipopguild: All of them, Katie.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @RobertDSC-Mac Mini:

    And even if he doesn’t have his neener, he’s still straight trippin

    Could I get that in ‘olds’?

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    Rex says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    The guy played “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” at all of his campaign events. It was there, plain as day, for anyone with ears to hear.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Yarrow:
    IMO, he isn’t going to take many Republicans down with him. Most of them have never really embraced him, and they seem to be trying harder to stay at arm’s length. That’s only going to be more pronounced when he gets in worse trouble. Unless there’s good documentary evidence they were in on the Russia stuff, they’ll be able to stay far enough away to avoid direct damage. Damage to the Republican brand is another question.

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    Baud says:

    @Roger Moore: As long as the Dems are committed to civil rights for all, the Republican brand will never be damaged.

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    Hal says:

    It’s only been 2 fucking months. This is like that episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where the Enterprise was caught in a time loop reliving the last few hours before the Enterprise exploded over and over.

    tRump is emotionally and intellectually exhausting. How on earth does anyone associate with him on a day to day basis?

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    msdc says:

    …he’s something much worse: a typical Republican.

    Yeah, this is what folks mean when they invoke the Berlusconi precedent. You don’t beat him by harping on the scandals and the misbehavior and the abysmal treatment of other people; that’s what his supporters love him for. (I don’t know if this is a perfect analogy – maybe Berlusconi managed to get elected on his own without the help of a foreign dictator and the chief of his own country’s domestic intelligence agency.) You beat him by pointing out all the ways his policies will fuck over ordinary citizens, including the common clay of the new west who voted for him.

    I mean, we can point out the scandals and the misbehavior and the overt racism and all that stuff, too. In part because it’s important to tell future generations of voters exactly who and what the Republican party stood for in 2016-17. But it’s the ordinary shit that will throw him and his congressional enablers out of office.

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    Bess says:

    @lollipopguild:

    Two months in and a few of them are waking up and smelling the fire, others will take longer others will never leave trump no matter what he says or does.

    We should be concentrating on getting to the ones who are waking up. We need their votes in 2018 and 2020.

    The 27% who will remain clueless can be outvoted if we do the work.

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    msdc says:

    @Joeff:

    That’s what happened in 2006. But a lot of damage was done before then.

    To our credit, we’re getting there a lot faster this time. And the same scale of damage hasn’t been done… yet.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    Yeah, but Gallup is a losing losinger losingest polling company. Also too, fake polls. Fake news. Rasmussen has Dolt 45 at 43 and they’re the winningest winners.

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    Lapassionara says:

    @bystander: where did you see this? Nunez is saying no evidence of collusion. I assume you are talking about the Russians and the election.

    I don’t see how the country keeps going like this, with Trump insulting our allies and saying things daily that reveal his ignorance, narcissism, and mendacity.

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    @lollipopguild: This probably says something bad about me, but I don’t care if they regret their choice. Some of them in the article I read said they lost faith when he didn’t lock HRC in jail. It’s a total crap shoot if they vote more wisely next time. They looked at Trump and said yeah, him.

    ETA: Bess is undoubtedly right. I know that. I’m still so angry at these people that I can’t be rational.

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    marknc says:

    @Mathguy: That is exactly correct. So, when I think about Trump having a 37% approval rating – that is really saying he has 63% against and 10% for. When I saw that President Obama was at 40% – that was 33% against and 40% for.

    The 27% would support Satan and would be against Jesus – they don’t count.

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    Baud says:

    @marknc: Their votes count.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @msdc:

    And the same scale of damage hasn’t been done… yet.

    I don’t know. Trump has done a surprising amount of damage to our reputation already. It’s not as obvious as the damage Shrub did, but it’s going to be pernicious and very hard to undo.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:
    Trying with little success to convince myself that Trump’s actions towards N Korea are anything other than a precursor to military action. Is it a distraction from the true enemy, Iran? Who does Bannon want to bomb (first)?

    Seoul is rubble if we do.

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    RobertDSC-Mac Mini says:

    @A Ghost to Most:

    The lyric Doug posted is from Dr. Dre’s song “Nothin But A G Thang”.

    The lyric I posted is what Dre raps afterward.

    If he doesn’t have his 9MM pistol with him, he’s still going crazy.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Lapassionara:
    Schiff said it on his Twitter account. Nuñez doesn’t want to admit the obvious.

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    MARCION says:

    I’m optimistic that if Trump is bad enough, he might even crush the 27% floor. Maybe get down to 24 or 25%….

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    Baud says:

    @Roger Moore: Honestly, Our reputation is the least of my concerns. That was baked in on election night. Hopefully, we can minimize tangible damage here and abroad.

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    gene108 says:

    Meh…numbers is bullshit…

    His base still loves him and will vote for him and any generic Republican…

    Democrats won in 2006 and 2008 because Republicans and Republican leaning Independents were not happy with their Party.

    As long as Trump keeps deporting Mexicans (from all those Mexican countries like Mexico, Guatemala, etc), and the economy does not crash, his supporters will still back him.

    @Roger Moore:

    I think Congressional Republicans are burning a lot of political capital on Trumpcare/Ryancare.

    Trump has come out in support of it and it will be harder to separate from Trump, the longer the bill drags on and the more the White House and Congress seem to be in general agreement on screwing people over.

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    max says:

    @trollhattan: Trying with little success to convince myself that Trump’s actions towards N Korea are anything other than a precursor to military action. Is it a distraction from the true enemy, Iran? Who does Bannon want to bomb (first)?

    After listening to them wheeze about it, I’m pretty sure going to war would cut into Trump’s time at Mar-a-lago or however the fuck it’s spelled. The yelling was for the rubes.

    max
    [‘Actually war is bad for the their approval ratings.’]

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    debit says:

    I’d been keeping my eye out for another senior rescue dog and mentioned in a thread last night that I was going to see Kelpie, a dog needing hospice care. I brought her home today, but I think anyone would after hearing her story.

    She was born blind and with a hip problem that doesn’t seem to cause her pain, but makes her walk with a wide, halting almost stagger. She was, believe it or not, an full time outside dog left to roam free on forty acres of farmland. She was also not spayed until after her owner surrendered her, and as her two companion dogs were unaltered male Jack Russell terriers, I am sure she’s had several litters in her lifetime. At the time she was surrendered, she had a large mass on her right side near her hind leg, which was then removed. It was cancerous, and the expectation is that it will return and spread, hence the hospice.

    Despite everything, she is a sweet little dog. When I approached her kennel she licked my hand and wagged her curly little tail like crazy. I think she can see a little, maybe only movement and light because she gets around really well. She doesn’t know stairs, and isn’t house trained, and on the recommendation of the Humane Society staff, I bought a kennel for her to go into at will where she can feel secure.

    For the moment I’m letting her explore the house without hovering over her, but plan to tether her when I’m home to a) help with house training and b) hopefully make her feel secure.

    I introduced Ellie to Kelpie on neutral ground and Ellie sniffed her a few times and then lost interest.

    To make this thread somewhat on topic, I commented to my daughter as we drove to Buffalo that we were in Trump country now. And as I was filling out the adoption paperwork, the staffer mentioned that Keplie was not her original name. It was Keller. As in Helen Keller. Har dee fucking har.

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    MattF says:

    I think it’s great that T is at 37% in the poll. And I fervently hope it’s true. That said, I’d pause and think a bit before trusting any poll.

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    Baud says:

    @gene108: Numbers are meaningless but they are all we got until election day.

    Hopefully, some special elections and state elections later this year will give meaning to the numbers.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I received an”Unknown” call on my cell this afternoon. Was surprised to see a 77-second voice mail; usually it’s a sales person who hangs up. But it was the Jon Ossoff campaign! I believe it’s the first ever such call I’ve gotten on my cell. Not sure about the home phone that we have not answered in several years.

    Anyhoo, go Jon!

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    Timurid says:

    @trollhattan: I wonder if orders to attack North Korea would be where the military opts out… No, not a military coup but more like “We’re not taking orders from this guy. We’re doing nothing but maintaining readiness and protecting our borders and those of our allies until the civilian government wakes up and provides us with a mentally competent Commander in Chief.”

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    MattF says:

    @trollhattan: The fatal logic for attacking NK is just what pre-1914 Imperial German strategists thought about Russia. “They’re rising and we’re sinking, so we have to attack them sooner rather than later.”

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    msdc says:

    @Roger Moore: I would gladly take damage to our reputation over the deaths of thousands of New Yorkers and New Orleanians and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

    Not that Trump isn’t doing his damnedest to start racking up a body count both domestically and abroad, but so far we’ve managed to head off the worst of it. If we come out of this with little more than some diplomatic bridges to rebuild and a richly deserved hit to our national ego I would consider that a best-case scenario beyond my wildest dreams.

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    @RobertDSC-Mac Mini:
    Perfect, thanks.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Roger Moore: Maybe. I think Bannon has dirt on a lot of Republicans. And by dirt I mean illegal activity but also collusion with the Russians. They will toss that dirt out in hopes of distracting people and muddying the waters. Also so that Trump isn’t the only one being blamed. When Sessions’ or Nunes or Grassley’s involvement with the Russians comes out, what’s going to happen? Will everyone ignore that and focus on Trump?

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    germy says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I saw yet another article today about Trump voters who were shocked at, in this case, losing Meals on Wheels, and I asked myself why I felt no sympathy. I think it’s because he never hid what he was.

    ‘Curses!’ Shouts Fist-Shaking Meals On Wheels Ringleader As Trump Cuts Off Gravy Train

    ARLINGTON, VA—Throwing President Trump’s 2018 budget proposal across the room in a fit of anger, James Scheri, ringleader of the Meals on Wheels America program, reportedly shook his fist in the air and shouted “Curses!” Thursday upon learning that his gravy train could soon be cut off. “Blast—my scheme has been found out!” said Scheri, his face growing red with rage after learning of the Trump administration’s plans to eliminate federal grants that fund his elaborate moneymaking swindle of delivering food to the homes of elderly and disabled Americans. “The jig is up! Now that those damned feds have gotten wind, what will become of the grand empire I have built? And what of all my many mansions and luxury automobiles? My life of Community Development Block Grant luxury might be at an end!” At press time, Scheri was excitedly rubbing his hands together after realizing the government had yet to pick up on his secret racket to make billions through federal housing programs for homeless veterans.

    (the onion news)

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    debbie says:

    @debit:

    She’s a cutie!

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    @germy: At least I could still laugh at that!

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    germy says:

    Failure of imagination and vision from Sully:

    While guest panelists Andrew Sullivan and former Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) stated it was too early to make a prediction with close to four years remaining, Maher went out on a limb.

    “Who is going to be the Democratic candidate in 2020, we cannot f*ck this up,” Maher began. “We can’t live under the illusion that the electorate is going to go for somebody who isn’t charismatic, okay and a great salesman. Hillary Clinton proved you can be completely competent, but you can’t win in an election with, ‘I know I’m not that great, but this guy is nuts.’”

    With Sullivan remarking, “I’ve scoured the landscape and I don’t see anyone,” Maher interjected.

    “I know a guy, I think the people in this state do too, [current California Lt. Gov.] Gavin Newsome,” he said to applause. “This guy should be president. He can win. He’s going to be governor in 2018, and I know that’s a short time to be governor before a four-year run — I don’t give a f*ck. His slogan should be ‘Hello, I must be going. Nice to stop by California, but I got other things to do.’”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....fck-it-up/

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    Yarrow says:

    @debit: Awww…she’s cute. You are a good soul, debit. I know you’ll give her a loving home for as long as she needs it.

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    debbie says:

    Does anyone listen to NPR’s “Reveal”? He’s interviewing Richard Spencer about his receiving farm subsidies. Or, more accurately, filleting him.

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    TS says:

    One of the reasons trump supporters gave for wanting him as President was “a real family in the White House” – Melania was going to be a “real first lady”. They have ended up with trump in Florida and his current wife in New York – that has to be disappointing to the MAGA crowd.

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    debit says:

    @Yarrow: Thank you. I had my doubts about adopting so soon after Walter, but when I heard her story and found out she’d been there since the beginning of February, I knew she needed to come home with me.

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    germy says:

    @debbie:

    White Nationalist Richard Spencer Gets His Money From Louisiana Cotton Fields—and the US Government

    Spencer, along with his mother and sister, are absentee landlords of 5,200 acres of cotton and corn fields in an impoverished, largely African American region of Louisiana, according to records examined by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting. The farms, controlled by multiple family-owned businesses, are worth millions: A 1,600-acre parcel sold for $4.3 million in 2012.

    The Spencer family’s farms are also subsidized by the federal government. From 2008 through 2015, the Spencers received $2 million in US farm subsidy payments, according to federal data.

    http://www.motherjones.com/pol.....-subsidies

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    Pogonip says:

    @debit: I hope she has a happy death with you, as Walter did.

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    Baud says:

    @germy: I’m thankful he didn’t pick me.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: Yep. He never snookered us. We were shocked that he was even considered to be a real Presidential contender and never dreamed that it would get this far. This is beyond farce. We’re living in a Twilight Zone horror which will last for at least four years.

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    Chris says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I saw yet another article today about Trump voters who were shocked at, in this case, losing Meals on Wheels, and I asked myself why I felt no sympathy.

    Because they not only voted for this, they wanted this. Conservative voters vote time and time again to impose this kind of crap on “the moochers, the loafers, the affirmative action hires, the immigrants on welfare, the Cadillac moms,” all the people that they consider Undeserving. It’s not that they didn’t want this to happen, they were just dumb enough to think it wouldn’t happen to them.

    As I figured out about myself throughout the teabagger years, I can forgive stupidity, I can’t forgive malice. Sure, if they voted because they were honestly just that dumb that they thought trickle down would make everyone’s life better and had no idea that it might hurt anyone, be it them or some poor single mom in Detroit, well, fine, that’s one thing. But come on. There’s, like, five people like that in the entire country. For the vast majority, it’s about hurting people.

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    debit says:

    @TS: I was just thinking the other day, when was the last time Trump saw his youngest kid? Since inauguration?

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    Lapassionara says:

    @A Ghost to Most: thanks. I am illiterate about Twitter. Illtwiterate? Anyway, I depend on people here to flag tweets for me. So thanks.

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    Yarrow says:

    @debit: I hope you keep us updated on her too. She may star in some fun videos like Walter and the french fry.

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    Pogonip says:

    @germy: Farm subsidies are a general scandal, going as they do to such poverty-stricken sharecroppers as this guy and Scotty Pippen.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @debit: Kelpie looks like a keeper.

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    Ruckus says:

    @debit:
    How did I know that you’d make the trip and come back with her……..
    You are a softy. Thank you for that.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Yarrow: I missed Walter & the french fry. What happened in the video?

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    Yarrow says:

    @debit: No, Barron came down to Mar-a-Lago recently. There was a photo of them (Melania and Barron) on the airplane stairs. Maybe last weekend?

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    Chris says:

    @Baud:

    And frankly, I’m tired of the Trump voter genre in the media.

    As I pointed out last year after all the primary votes were counted, it’s somewhat surreal that we kept hearing so much about Trump voters, Sanders voters, and NeverTrump voters, but never a thing about Hillary voters, despite the fact that they were actually the largest of the four groups.

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    Mary G says:

    @debit: I thought you would take her and bless you for doing it. I was wondering when I read the blurb because it described her as both energetic and needing a lot of exercise, but then as in hospice, so I appreciate the explanation. You have a huge heart🐕💟

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    Another Scott says:

    @msdc: I’ve seen others make the point that Trump should be treated like Berlusconi, but I don’t know how instructive that is. BBC:

    Few Italians have wielded more influence and attracted more notoriety than Silvio Berlusconi, four-time prime minister and billionaire businessman.

    For years he successfully brushed off sex scandals and allegations of corruption but it was the effects of Italy’s burgeoning eurozone debt crisis in 2011 that finally spelt an end to his time at the top table of politics.

    The charismatic showman was replaced by a technocrat and his centre-right party split.

    Worse was to come for a man whom many Italians had come to see as untouchable.

    He was convicted of tax fraud in 2013 and ejected from the Italian Senate. Because of his age, a four-year jail term became a year of community service at a care home near Milan. Another conviction in 2015 and his political career was finally over.

    One would hope that Donnie’s voters would come to their senses before Donnie was in office multiple terms, caused another Great Recession, was convicted in court multiple times while in office, etc., etc.

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    ThresherK says:

    From 47% to 37% is the kind of trend some “win the morning” pundit should write a story about.

    Maybe Nick Kristoff can Times-splain it to us Dems how that 37% of bigoted assholes needs to be the left’s sought-after demographic for the next elections.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Pogonip: Walter gets fries from 5 Guys. It’s the french fry sliding into the video frame that just slays me.

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    Chris says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Yeah, most of them were careful to distance themselves from him during the primary so that once he’d lost the election, they could all say “what, him? He was never with us.” They’ve temporarily buried it, but it’ll come out again in force if he loses an election or otherwise gets really screwed.

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    Baud says:

    @Chris: Yep. I and others said we were the new silent majority. Unfortunately, we fell just short.

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    SFAW says:

    @A Ghost to Most:

    From that article: Susan Collins, when asked if Shitgibbon can be taken at his word: “Yes.”

    Why will I not be surprised if she votes to pass RyanDeathCare?

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    Ruckus says:

    @Chris:

    that they thought trickle down would make everyone’s life better

    It is not trickle down. It is tinkle down. Come on folks let’s at least get their stupidity right.
    Why do you think dumpf hired hookers to piss on a bed?

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    germy says:

    @Baud:

    I’m thankful he didn’t pick me.

    America simply isn’t ready.

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    JMG says:

    @SFAW: If she does, then she cannot be taken at HER word.

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    sukabi says:

    @Rex: also played “it’s the end of the world and I feel fine”. about the only thing he didn’t do was actually publicly shoot someone, although he did ‘joke’ about it.

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    ruemara says:

    @debit: that’s so sweet of you. Welcome Kelpie! You have a kind nature, debit.

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    TS says:

    @debit: Someone else has probably mentioned – he sometimes goes south for the weekend – the difference with the Obama family is stark.

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    SFAW says:

    @JMG:

    Hey, I hope I’m wrong, but I get tired of the lip service the so-called “moderate” Rethugs pay to decency, only to vote against it in the end.

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    TS says:

    Meanwhile this is a headline in Australia this am
    “Asylum seekers make perilous crossing into Canada from US seeking ‘safety, protection and home'”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/201.....on/8366108

    It is like the world is upside down. It will take a caring sane democrat to bring trust of the US back into world politics.

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    jharp says:

    This is before he takes the health insurance away from 26 million Americans and gives the money to those earning more than $250,000.

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    msdc says:

    @TS:

    One of the reasons trump supporters gave for wanting him as President was “a real family in the White House” – Melania was going to be a “real first lady”. They have ended up with trump in Florida and his current wife in New York – that has to be disappointing to the MAGA crowd.

    They don’t give a shit. Melania’s not black.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @lollipopguild:

    Two months in and a few of them are waking up and smelling the fire,

    Was at a social occasion today with a bunch of elderly Zionists (don’t ask), and while in a buffet line heard complaints that Trump is doing what he said he would do. I asked one, who said that she was a conservative and so had voted for Trump, why she was surprised that he is doing what he said he would do and she said she didn’t want to go there.
    So there is some disquiet. Keep the pressure on; keep it relentless, and accurate and well-argued and free of talking points.

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    Baud says:

    @msdc: Yep.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Bill Arnold: Yes. This. I ask Trump voters why they are surprised he’s doing what he’s doing. He said this is what he was going to do. You voted for him, so why aren’t you happy? It works best if I don’t act upset but act confused. “He said this is what he was going to do. Isn’t this what you wanted?” *very confused face* They really can’t answer the question.

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    trollhattan says:

    I’m conflicted, because finger-jabber Jan Brewer is making human noises.

    Responding to reports that the GOP plan to replace Obamacare will cause 380,000 people in in Arizona to lose their Medicaid insurance coverage, former Governor Jan Brewer (R) broke ranks with her fellow Republicans saying loss of coverage would “devastate lives.”

    In an interview with The State, Brewer who has been none of President Donald Trump’s biggest backers, said the plan proposed by House Speaker Paul Ryan, weighs “weighs heavy on my heart”.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    but, but…. rallies!

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    Baud says:

    @trollhattan: No conflict. She is right. But she doesn’t get a vote.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    on a serious note, can you imagine how the fake-media would be going ape shit if Clinton or Wilmer’s support had collapsed like a wet taco.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Mathguy:

    It will eventually limit out to the infamous 27% asymptote.

    So can we call the deadenders “asymptotebaggers”?

    (…On second thought, close, but not quite close enough…)

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    germy says:

    Now, I’m flyin’ high but I’ve got a feelin’ I’m fallin’
    Fallin’ for nobody else but you
    Mama, you caught my eye and I’ve got a feelin’ I’m fallin’
    Show me the ring and I’ll jump right through

    I used to travel single-o, we chanced to mingle-o
    Now I’m a tingle over you
    Hey, Mister Parson stand by, but I’ve got a feelin’ I’m fallin’
    Fallin’ for nobody else but you

    Written by Harry Link, Fats Waller, Billy Rose, Fritz Rotter

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    Kay says:

    An aim of Republican legislation is to reduce private premiums, but Ms. Sines’s son, who along with her other two grown children signed up for Medicaid under the expansion, has been warning that their coverage could be “in trouble,” she said. She cannot believe Mr. Trump would allow that to happen.
    “I can’t imagine them not keeping it like it is now,” said Ms. Sines, who runs a group home for the elderly.

    She didn’t vote at all and her husband was a big Trump supporter. I don’t feel like I’m being an unsympathetic jerk if I believe they have to start paying more attention to who and what they vote for.

    These are white rural people. They’re not even a Democratic voter group, generally, yet Democrats got them health care. It wasn’t even a politically smart thing to do. Why should Democrats bend over backward to benefit them? There’s no reward.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    President Snowflake

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    Kay says:

    I wonder how much of it is because he’s such a jerk. You like to think it’s some rejection of conservative policy but Trump really is a nasty, small person and maybe that eventually sinks in.

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    msdc says:

    @Another Scott: The point of the Berlusconi comparisons is that the American left can’t repeat the mistakes the Italian left made in focusing on his personality, which only fueled his popularity and returned him to office.

    Ordinary politics are how they beat him (including twice in 1996 and 2006, both well before the economic crisis). And ordinary politics, specifically the toxic politics of enacting the Republican dream of taking health insurance away from tens of millions of people, are what’s dragging Trump down right now.

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    @Another Scott: the argument goes that Berlusconi didn’t suffer any political consequences for his policies because people kept attacking him on personality. The details are less important.

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    A White Trash president for a White Trash country.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Yarrow: that’s nicer than what I say- I say to anyone who voted for Trump that they r a sucker and my enemy and I’m deeply ashamed of them. Then I turn and walk away as they erupt

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    Mickee says:

    Devin Nunes just let slip on Fox News that ‘one person’ in the WH is currently under active investigation. That person, whoever he/she may be, has now been alerted to the fact they are a target which, in any normal world, would be obstruction of justice. On live TV. Nunes also said only a single crime has been committed to date in the Russian hacking mess and that is the leak of General Flynn’s name–so, priorities.

    Curiouser and curiouser. It was suggested last week that Comey did not brief the House IC, which Nunes chairs, as thoroughly as the Senate IC. And then there was that weird presser where Schiff publicly disagreed with Nunes regarding the nature of the evidence they had just seen. Seems like Nunes may be in a bit of a pickle here.

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    AxelFoley says:

    You can’t convince me DougJ ain’t black. Not with him slipping random Hip Hop lyrics in his thread titles.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Ksmiami: It depends on the situation. I have some people that I have to work with on a regular basis that I can’t say that sort of thing to. For them I use the “Why are you surprised? He’s doing what he said he was going to do.” tactic. Watching them squirm is fun.

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    jharp says:

    @Ksmiami:

    For my part I walk out of restaurants that put our racist piece of shit President on their TV.

    And tell the manager exactly why.

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    Shell says:

    others will take longer others will never leave trump no matter what he says or does.

    This is what his hard core supporters wanted. They actually like that he’s sowing random destruction of the government. They WANTED a bull in a china shop. That was their idea of “shaking things up.”

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    Mathguy says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I see what you did there.

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    germy says:

    WASHINGTON – Meals on Wheels, the popular nationwide program that provides hot meals to needy seniors, has become a rallying point for critics of President Donald Trump’s proposed budget, which slashes spending on social initiatives to beef up military spending.

    But on Sunday, the Trump administration answered an emphatic “no” to the question of whether the budget would gut Meals on Wheels.

    Mick Mulvaney, the Office of Management and Budget director, said that the funding source the administration seeks to eliminate – the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s community development block grants – accounts for just 3 percent of Meals on Wheels’ overall funding.

    “Some of the stories are just either grossly wrong or nearly grossly wrong, all the stories about how we cut Meals on Wheels,” Mulvaney said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    Meals on Wheels is not a federal program, nor do its local groups directly receive federal funding. Rather, the groups run on a mix of local, state and federal money, as well as private donations and the work contributions of volunteers, which vary depending on the funding structure of each affiliate.

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    SFAW says:

    @jharp:

    to those earning more than $250,000.

    Find a better verb.

    Skimming? Mooching? Stealing?

    No, I’m not an anti-capitalist, nor do I believe that everyone, or even most of those, getting paid more than $250K/year is a moocher. But there are far too many, especially at the stratospheric numbers, who don’t produce value greater-than-or-equal-to 1 percent of their wages, but are still idolized by the RWNJ morons as being “job creators,” etc.

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    bemused senior says:

    @Mickee: Nunez co-owns a winery with Russian partners. Their distributor is a pal of Putin.

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    lurker dean says:

    @debit: you are a saint for giving kelpie a home! i hope the house training goes well and ellie learns to like her the way she liked walter. and praying the cancer doesn’t return.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Trump’s going down. […] I think he’ll throw everyone else, with the possible exception of Ivanka, under the bus before he goes

    Here’s a little hypothetical: if Ivanka is put in the position of having to choose between Daddy and Hubby, with which one does she cast her lot?

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    Jay S says:

    @germy: It is interesting that the Meals on Wheels mistaken report has gotten huge traction, when the no evidence feeding kids improves results nonsense is largely ignored. It is probably easier to believe in the homebound old than the hungry youth.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Jay S:

    It is probably easier to believe in the homebound old than the hungry youth.

    “Every(Trump-voting)body knows” that Meals on Wheels go to saintly old white people, many survivors of the Greatest Generation.

    “Everybody (also) knows” government-funded school lunches (and breakfasts, and sometimes dinners these days) go to the teeming spawn of Those People, moochers gangbangers & terrorists all.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I don’t know. I think she could try to play the poor, innocent princess so misled and mistreated by the men in her life. She might get away with it if she positions herself as the innocent mom of three young children, just trying to be a Good Wife and help our her dad.

    Of course Ivanka’s company promoting a Russian app that supposedly helps people with their fear of flying but instead tracks them. It also turns on the microphone. The company that created it has ties to the Russian government. So that might be a problem for her. What’s her connection to Russia? She’s taken quite a few trips there and is buddies with Putin’s daughter as well.

    I really hope they all go down.

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    James Powell says:

    @Baud:

    And frankly, I’m tired of the Trump voter genre in the media.

    I’ve been tired of those articles and the Real Americans attitude since long before the election.

    Why do you suppose the NYT and other papers keep running them? Trump voters don’t read their papers.

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    Ian says:

    @trollhattan:
    Most analysts rate the South Korean military much higher than the Norths. Seoul is only rubble if they use nukes, but so will be Pyongyang. The North’s leadership isn’t very bright, and their leader is even more insane than ours, but they do have self-preservation as their number one goal.

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    James Powell says:

    @Jay S:

    Hungry youth do not vote.

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    SFAW says:

    @James Powell:

    Trump voters don’t read their papers.

    “Don’t” or “can’t”?

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    Tenar Arha says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Yep.

    I give them this, they really only heard him saying the stuff about “I wouldn’t take vacations or go golfing” to criticize Obama & ignored much of the rest of what he said. The fact that the information about how he might govern was actually out there in the Trump University scam, multiple bankruptcies, multiple lawsuits where he scammed multiple contractors & vendors, well that’s practically a treatise on selective attention & confirmation bias. I guess it really shows what 30 years of propaganda can do to a population, that even with that information out there they never heard it.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    It was kind of an idle question. I honestly don’t give a big rat’s ass what happens to any of them, as long as just they go away and quit messing up the lives of ordinary people.

    Didn’t know about the app, though.

    SkyGuru’s founder, Alex Gervash, says the app “does not contain any malicious code” and the company does not store the data it collects.

    I feel so reassured.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m getting a billion e-mails from his campaign and everyone else who wants him to win. It’s great to see such enthusiasm, but pestering me isn’t really going to help very much, living in NoVA and all. I’ve given what I can.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Chris says:

    @SFAW:

    Anti-capitalist I’m not, but I certainly think the economy ran better back when the absurdly high 1%er salaries of the present era were reined in by things like unions, taxes, and social norms.

    Above a certain level, it’s just “how? Seriously. Are you actually contributing that much more to the company than your basic employee? Are you actually that much more irreplaceable to the company than your average employee?* Were you actually that much harder to train than your average employee? What in the hell justifies this?”

    * That one in particular is rich given how many companies treat their CEOship as a musical chairs position…

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    J R in WV says:

    @Another Scott:

    Yeah, I finally hit the unsubscribe button to stop the begging. I’m still hitting the campaign with a weekly act-blue donation, though, the best I can do from southwest West Virginia.

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    Turgidson says:

    @germy:

    Good lord. The Gav, a presidential candidate? He’s more likely to win NBA Finals MVP between his “zomg SF liberal” pedigree, history of plowing his best friend’s wife and then blaming it on alcoholism, and being kind of a shit in general.

    Trump may have shown that you can be a well-known creep and still win, but I’m not convinced yet that those rules would be suspended for a Democrat. Only for a Republican running against the media’s favorite punching bag Hillary Clinton, and who everyone assumed would lose.

    Also, Sully’s idea of “scouring the landscape” is probably to think of Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, sneer at their “leftism”, and go back to wanking about political correctness on campus.

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    bemused says:

    @Yarrow:

    Perfect questions though it might be quite awhile before I get the opportunity to use them. They are usually pretty damn quiet around their liberal friends and family when their Republican votes go bad on them.

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    artem1s says:

    @debit: She is wonderful! How could anyone not love her beautiful face!

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    debit says:

    @lurker dean: Well, Kelpie likes Ellie a lot and has been licking her face whenever she can. So far one accident, but that was my fault, I was distracted and not watching.

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    Chris says:

    @James Powell:

    Why do you suppose the NYT and other papers keep running them? Trump voters don’t read their papers.

    There are really pathetic overtones in the mainstream media’s fluffing of conservative/heartland voters of a creepy stalker who continues to follow and try to chat up that one girl even though she’s made it clear for years that she wants nothing to do with him.

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    debit says:

    @artem1s: I think potential adopters saw the word hospice and imagined all sorts of dire things. She’s been a perfect little lady, other than the pee. Sees or smells the cats and is respectful, so that’s good.

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    DeliciousGuac says:

    The Trump voters I know in Mississippi *detest* Paul Ryan, and they don’t strike me as folks who follow politics or policy closely. Just before the election, I warned a couple of them that if Trump won, he’d probably sign anything that Ryan put in front of him. They were horrified by the idea, and assured me that Trump would get rid of all the “insiders” like Ryan right away.

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    catclub says:

    @TS:

    “a real family in the White House”

    i.e. white people with a man as President.

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    Ksmiami says:

    @Yarrow: I’m fortunate that my co-workers are all Dems but I live in tx now so …(whispers) I’m surrounded

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    catclub says:

    @Ian:

    Seoul is only rubble if they use nukes, but so will be Pyongyang.

    My understanding was that NK has vast numbers of artillery pieces that can hit Seoul.

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    catclub says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    keep it relentless, and accurate and well-argued and free of talking points.

    You probably think calling them stupid assholes might be counter-productive.

    But that is accurate and free of talking points.

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    DissidentFish says:

    @SFAW: Trump voters have barely learned to sh*t on the paper.

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    Chris says:

    @DeliciousGuac:

    Huh. And what do they say now?

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    MoxieM says:

    @debit: I admire you so much for giving these needful and loving doggies the home they deserve. It is such a gift.

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    debit says:

    @MoxieM: You know it’s as much for my benefit as it is theirs. I really enjoy seeing an older dog blossom.

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    RM says:

    @Kay: Because it’s the right thing to do and what distinguishes us from the GOP is that we’re actually trying to help people, even if they suck?

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    DeliciousGuac says:

    @Chris:
    Not yet sure…we’re all avoiding political discussions so far. If I get a read on it I’ll let y’all know.

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    Debbie1 says:

    @Hal: “tRump is emotionally and intellectually exhausting. How on earth does anyone associate with him on a day to day basis?”

    I strongly suspect that’s the reason we’re all subsidizing Melanoma’s stays in New York. It’s got NOTHING to do w/ their spawn’s school because 1) all past presidents’ (ugh!) families have made the move after the inauguration; 2) some presidents’ kids were even older & at trickier, more challenging grades; and 3) that’s part of the bargain or price you pay for running for president. So, I think that if Tr*mp were paying for his wife’s NY stay, rather than taxpayers, he’d haul her ass to D.C. so quickly her head would spin.

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    acallidryas says:

    ut that he’s something much worse: a typical Republican. He’s a sucker for letting Ryancare become Trumpcare, and reg’lar Murkins like Meals On Wheels and PBS, no matter that the American Enterprise Institute thinks.

    I think this is absolutely correct. They like the racism, and talking about how Democrats are using government to help other people, but they actually like what government does for them.

    I was at a policy conference shortly after the inauguration with a very rural, fairly pro-Trump crowd. A Heritage fellow had come to talk about healthcare and straight up told their plan apparently not knowing to lie about it. She was torn apart. It made me think the best thing that could happen to the Democrats is to have Heritage and AEI true believers go on the road to talk about their dreams for the country. Reg’lar Murkins hate ’em.

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