Breaking rocks in the hot sun

I’m not that big on throwing people in jail (I don’t think I’ve ever written much about wanting to prosecute people before), but I think Flynn should probably be prosecuted for this. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow job. Flynn should get a little scrutiny for lying about jeopardizing the safety of the free world. You may think that sounds alarmist but I doubt many people in Finland or Estonia think it does.

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn denied to FBI agents in an interview last month that he had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States before President Trump took office, contradicting the contents of intercepted communications collected by intelligence agencies, current and former U.S. officials said.

The Jan. 24 interview potentially puts Flynn in legal jeopardy, as lying to FBI is a felony, but any decision to prosecute would ultimately lie with the Justice Department. Some officials said bringing a case could prove difficult in part because Flynn may attempt to parse the definition of sanctions.

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56 replies
  1. 1
    Cermet says:

    Either the Attorney General will refuse or if he is prosecuted, tRump pardon’s his ass.

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  2. 2
    rikyrah says:

    I have no problem with him wearing an orange jumpsuit

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  3. 3
    PPCLI says:

    Hmmm…. The post’s been up for almost 10 minutes and nobody’s said this yet? OK, I’ll do it:

    LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

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  4. 4
    quakerinabasement says:

    Meh. He goes, “I forgot. Sorry.” And the whole case collapses.

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    trollhattan says:

    After the Petraeus slap on the wrist I expect Flynn to skip merrily away with even less, keeping his pension to boot. Because reasons.

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    Wapiti says:

    @Cermet: Trump won’t pardon him, because Flynn’s last name isn’t Trump so why would Trump care?

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    Gian says:

    Working theory. Flynn and his ilk are religious fanatics who want a new crusade. As for lying to the FBI? Ends of white Christian Identity justify the means

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  8. 8
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Every last Rethuglican member of Congress is an accessory to treason.

    Lock them up. Forever.

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    Ian says:

    He only called the Russian ambassador. We should be looking into if he,emailed the Russian ambassador.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cermet: The Army is investigating him for that trip to Russia in 2015.

    DoJ can’t stop them. It’s an internal Army affair.

    Flynn is in deep kimchi.

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  11. 11
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Ian: ISWYDT

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    trollhattan says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Ah, that’s interesting. Carry on then, Army. Ironic that the people least impressed with his military background and rank may be the ones to take him down for good.

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  13. 13
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Trump could pardon Flynn if he’s court-martialed, but could he pre-pardon him? I honestly don’t know what the court martial process is.

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    Feebog says:

    Lemme see now… Comey is the FBI Director and Sessions is now the AG. So chances are slim and none that Flynn will be prosecuted for the phone calls to the Russian Ambassador. As for the rest, What VDE said at 10.

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    D58826 says:

    My question is, even if he was acting on Trump’s orders was it his job, as trump kept saying, to discuss policy changes before he was sworn in on Jan 20th? Meet and greet kind of stuff and setting up procedural protocols yes but policy changes?

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  16. 16
    Wag says:

    Clash City Rockers

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    raven says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Winter kimchi at that!

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    Ian G. says:

    Where’s Adam Silverman? Frum (who has come over to the light side of the Force on the topic of Trump) has a Tweet fretting that Trump could very well purge the IC to protect himself from further investigations. Is the IC going to be able to protect itself?

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Take a page from the Republican Book of Justice: Firing Squad first, Investigation/Trial later.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    I’m not sure how much a pardon would help Trump. As it is, Flynn may want to clam up and take the 5th under tough questioning. If he’s pardoned, he would no longer have a worry about self-incrimination, so that wouldn’t apply.

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  21. 21
    Starfish says:

    @Wapiti: Trump seems really persecuted over the firing or resignation of Flynn for some reason. Other people vanish from his memory, but he is blaming the fake news for Flynn having to resign.

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    scav says:

    @rikyrah:

    I have no problem with him wearing an orange jumpsuit

    Team Orange knows to jump when he tells them to. Seems only proper for the team uniform.

    (maybe Ivanka could design and market it. keep it all in-family.)

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    Archon says:

    Are people still pretending that after everything we’ve seen from Donald Trump that’s he’s incapable of working directly with the Russians to get them to sabotage Hillary Clinton and the Democrats? Didn’t he say as much at a press conference that he wanted the Russians to intervene in the election?

    I feel that the media (for sure) and even a lot of liberals can’t bring themselves to acknowledge the implications that are staring us right in the face. Donald Trump, President of the United States is guilty of sedition.

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    ThresherK says:

    “Everything reminds you of a Twilight Zone”, Spousal ThresherK once said.

    Today, it’s “The Mirror” with Peter Falk as la revolucionary in an unnamed Latin America country. He and his fatigue-wearing compadres oust the corrupt general and take over his fancy digs. Before he’s killed, the general warns Falk about the mirror: “It will show you your enemies.”

    Of course there’s a bunch of perfect, patented, paranoid TZ stuff between Falk and his lifelong crew, and after losing whatever better nature he wanted to govern with, orders enemy after enemy killed, at the end he sees himself, and…

    Gotta wonder how many once-useful Trumpistas are showing up in that mirror, and how many will be sacrificed until Trump sees himself in it.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mnemosyne: Trump could indeed pardon him. After all, he’s still Commander-in-Chief, and the President’s pardon powers certainly extend to anyone prosecuted by a court-martial, as we saw with Chelsea Manning.

    But I don’t think there’s a precedent for the C-in-C ever intervening before the court-martial has rendered a verdict. Not that piddling things like precedent will stop Donald, of course.

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    p.a. says:

    @PPCLI: Steve Martin SNL circa 1976?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Ian G.: Oh, don’t fret about the IC. They’ve dealt with professionals, like Vlad. Donald has no fucking idea who he’s fucking with.

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    debbie says:

    @Starfish:

    Flynn must have something on Trump.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Archon:

    Are people still pretending that after everything we’ve seen from Donald Trump that’s he’s incapable of working directly with the Russians to get them to sabotage Hillary Clinton and the Democrats? Didn’t he say as much at a press conference that he wanted the Russians to intervene in the election?

    I feel that the media (for sure) and even a lot of liberals can’t bring themselves to acknowledge the implications that are staring us right in the face. Donald Trump, President of the United States is guilty of sedition

    Hold up!!!

    I posted this just this morning.

    And, I happen to agree with the CIA (never ever thought that I would write those words)

    The ONE place in America that has NEVER forgotten Vlad’s former job as a Higher up in the KGB is LANGLEY.
    This isn’t a matter of the CIA believing that the President is Weak. They’ve lived through that. They know how to adjust to that.

    We have come to a point where the CIA believes that the President of the United States, and possibly more than one of his higher ups in the White House – are ASSETS OF A HOSTILE FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.

    Think on that.

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    Redshift says:

    Some officials said bringing a case could prove difficult in part because Flynn may attempt to parse the definition of sanctions.

    So it will depend on what the definition of “sanctions” is?

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    Redshift says:

    @Archon:

    Are people still pretending that after everything we’ve seen from Donald Trump that’s he’s incapable of working directly with the Russians to get them to sabotage Hillary Clinton and the Democrats?

    Who are these people you speak of?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Starfish:

    Trump seems really persecuted over the firing or resignation of Flynn for some reason.

    Because it’s a loss, and he can’t stand losing. It’s the same reason he obsesses over the size of his election win and inauguration crowd; he knows they’re losses and he can’t give them up.

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    Archon says:

    @Redshift:

    I think a lot of people still want to believe that all this was indirect and that Trump wasn’t in effect working with the Russians to get himself elected President.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Guess I’m already tired of all this winning, just as he predicted.

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    Mike in NC says:

    We visited Finland and Estonia a couple of years ago, and people there were not amused by Putin.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Ian G.:

    Frum (who has come over to the light side of the Force on the topic of Trump) has a Tweet fretting that Trump could very well purge the IC to protect himself from further investigations.

    That seems overblown. Trump might well try to purge the IC, but it’s a reasonable bet that a lot of the people doing the leaking are not political appointees who he has the power to fire. Unless he’s willing to gut the whole IC in pursuit of his vendetta- and imagine how that’s going to go over- he’s going to have a hard time of it. I’d be more worried about the DOJ pursuing the leaks by demanding reporters disclose their sources and threatening them with contempt if they refuse. That wouldn’t win him any friends in the media, but that’s water already under the bridge.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Starfish: He gets really wound up about threats to/takedowns of his RU connections. He doesn’t understand that it’s a tell. There’s a lot he doesn’t understand, of course.

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    @raven: That’s when you make kimchi soup.

    Maybe someone should ask Martha Stewart about her opinion about Flynn’s offences.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Redshift:

    So it will depend on what the definition of “sanctions” is?

    Of course, it’s sorta like parsing whether or not a blow-job is sexual relations — a la the “Lewinsky Scandal”.

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    geg6 says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Exactly. It’s a tell. I’d love to play poker with him.

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    geg6 says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I’m in moderation with my original reply so I’ll try again.

    Exactly, it’s a tell. I’d love to play p0ker with him.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Roger Moore: Not to mention his freakishly small hands.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mike in NC: Some of the corroboration of the Flynn leaks comes from NATO sources, not US intel. I read that some state in the Baltics (or all of them) had been monitoring the Donald campaign out of their own national security concerns.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @geg6: Let the wookiee win.

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    Mike in DC says:

    They should try to get Flynn to roll over on the other rats. Flip them one by one to get to Trump.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Archon:

    We’re trying not to look like conspiracy theorists. But when there’s an actual conspiracy happening right in front of you …

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    bemused says:

    @scav:

    I want to see him in a strait jacket. Better yet orange strait jacket locked up in prison maximum security unit for mentally dangerous. And the rest of his crowd tried and jailed.

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    Turgidson says:

    lying to FBI is a felony, but any decision to prosecute would ultimately lie with the Justice Department.

    So, no, they won’t prosecute…

    …unless they unearth some of Hillary’s emails that show him lying about something. Then they’ll throw the book at him.

    Thanks Comey.

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    sukabi says:

    @Cermet: I’m rooting for the mIlitary investigation into his being paid by Russia …. violating the emoulents clause applies to military and former military…

    Breaking rocks at Leavenworth would work for me.

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    jhtrotter says:

    @Roger Moore: Maybe a trump vendetta against IC community leakers could be the best thing sane people could hope for. Maybe a whistleblower protection act case could force the disclosure of the info that he and his dickfor party would rather you not know.

    Or not, but I’m all for just endlessly brainfawking him.

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    Barry says:

    @Mnemosyne: “Trump could pardon Flynn if he’s court-martialed, but could he pre-pardon him? I honestly don’t know what the court martial process is.”

    The problem is that it doesn’t protect Flynn from subpoenas to testify. That’s what should have been done in Iran-Contra, after Bush I pardoned his henchmen.

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    Barry says:

    @Starfish: “Trump seems really persecuted over the firing or resignation of Flynn for some reason. Other people vanish from his memory, but he is blaming the fake news for Flynn having to resign.”

    Let’s assume the obvious, that Flynn was talking to the Russians on behalf of Trump……….

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    Josie says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Exactly what I have been thinking. If it’s good enough for Martha………

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    kevin says:

    Doug, kudos for the subtle song references in all your post titles. love them!!

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Feebog:

    It’s not Comey’s decision whether or not Flynn gets indicted.

    The U.S. Attorney for D.C. makes the call whether to present the case to a grand jury. The grand jury decides whether to indict.

    If Sessions sticks his nose into the process, that will surely become public knowledge, and that will be March’s shit-storm.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Future headline:

    “Flynn to Miss Baby, Feel So Sad”

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