GOP Venality Open Thread: REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!

Sooo… let me see if I have the timeline correct… when Acting Attorney General Sally Yates ordered her Dept. of Justice lawyers not to enforce Trump’s totally-not-a-Muslim-ban Executive Order, she already had a pretty good idea his minions were looking for an excuse to fire her? As they did?

How many of us expected the Trump Administration to reach Nixon-post-Watergate levels of corrupt incompetence during its very first month?

And the leading lights of the GOP Congress step forward to cover themselves with… well, it ain’t glory…

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  1. 1
    dmsilev says:

    We’re going to have to dig out all those ‘see no evil’ monkey images that we last used during the Bush administration, aren’t we?

  2. 2
    debbie says:

    When you hear “no rush to judgement” from a Republican, you know a whole lot of horseshit is poised, teetering, over your head.

  3. 3
    hellslittlestangel says:

    Trump likes to brag about breaking records. Here’s hoping he breaks William Henry Harrison’s.

  4. 4
    Baud says:

    How many of us expected the Trump Administration to reach Nixon-post-Watergate levels of corrupt incompetence during its very first month?

    Since that’s how they acted during the campaign, count me among those who expected it.

  5. 5
    scav says:

    When does American Business Practice leap into action and explicitly disown this demonstration of self-declared inerrant brilliance in all contexts? I meet any CEO at this point I’m likely to collapse in a puddle of giggles.

  6. 6
    Roger Moore says:

    Speaker Ryan declines to call for congressional investigation into Gen. Flynn; says need to get more info before rushing to judgment.

    Isn’t the point of an investigation to get more info? Or is this an admission that Republican investigations are not actually intended to gather facts, just to persecute people they don’t like?

  7. 7

    Spicer now blames the Obama DOJ for not notifying the WH quickly enough about Flynn.

    OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK

  8. 8
    Mike in DC says:

    @scav:

    Anyone who’s actually worked a few months for a large corporations knows this is bullshit. Most large companies are plagued by waste, fraud, abuse, corruption, office politics, incompetence, etc.

  9. 9
    debbie says:

    @scav:

    This definitively proves that a CEO would not make a good president. Hopefully, they won’t try this again.

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    trollhattan says:

    @debbie:
    We probably shouldn’t rush to judgement on Gorsuch; two years of hearings sounds about right.

  12. 12
    debbie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Surely he could have sent a message to Trump during the biggest Inauguration EVER!

  13. 13
    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s Spicer. You’re reaction would be more appropriate if he said something true.

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    Brachiator says:

    And the leading lights of the GOP Congress step forward to cover themselves with… well, it ain’t glory…

    Benghazi, muthafuckas!

  15. 15
    Wag says:

    Speaker Ryan declines to call for congressional investigation into Gen. Flynn; says need to get more info before rushing to judgment.

    This shows the typical GOP approach to investigations. The GOP only investigates when they are sure of what they will find. In other words, only investigate if your pre-ordained conclusions are certain to be confirmed.

    Note to Ryan–the PURPOSE of investigations is to get MORE information. An investigation does not necessarily mean that someone has been convicted.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Spicey needs his big-boy nap.

  17. 17
    maurinsky says:

    Rand Paul says it makes no sense to investigate fellow Republicans! There you have it!

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    scav says:

    @Mike in DC: I’ll admit to assuming that based on evidence, but hell did I low-ball the scale and scope possible. Their sense of tribal PR and self-preservation is usually a little better.

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    PPCLI says:

    @trollhattan: Well, we shouldn’t have any hearings at all until we get more information, according to the Ryan rule.

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    Lapassionara says:

    I still remember the brief news article about the Watergate break-in. We were in NYC, and it was on the bottom right of the front page, NY Times. That was June 17, 1972. It took a while to get perking, but when it did, the story never quit and we were riveted by the hearings, testimony, etc. I am now at that same spot I was before Nixon resigned: non-stop jaw dropping disclosures of treachery, mendacity, and stupidity, on a daily, even hourly basis. And it hasn’t been a month!

  21. 21
    Redshift says:

    Paul Ryan says “I think we need to get all of that information before we prejudge anything,” hoping we don’t know that “getting all of that information” is the entire purpose of a congressional investigation.

    Rand Paul says “I just don’t think it’s useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We’ll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we’re spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense.”

    It’s appalling enough that they used government resources for purely partisan “investigations.” But somehow it’s even worse that they can’t conceive of any other purpose for a congressional investigation, even one they would conduct themselves.

  22. 22
    debbie says:

    @Mike in DC:

    You’re right; I work for one, and it is unbelievable. I don’t understand how they manage to make profits.

  23. 23
    Ridnik Chrome says:

    Rep Jason Chaffetz R-UT tells reporters there’s no need to further probe Flynn. “It’s taking care of itself”

    If the response of the reporters to that statement was anything other than howls of laughter they should be ashamed of themselves.

  24. 24

    @Baud: But… I mean…

    “The obvious Russian mole that Trump picked as his National Security Advisor is a Russian mole? THANKS, OBAMA!”

    WTF??

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Roger Moore: @Wag: Remember how often Republicans would say that since Hillary Clinton may have done nothing wrong regarding Benghazi, let’s not go crazy rushing into some sort of an investigation? I assume they must have said that, given their strong principled stances about such things.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Major Major Major Major: “You fucked up by not stopping us from fucking up!”

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    Redshift says:

    @dmsilev:

    We’re going to have to dig out all those ‘see no evil’ monkey images that we last used during the Bush administration, aren’t we?

    Monkeys flinging poop seems more apropos.

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    How many of us expected the Trump Administration to reach Nixon-post-Watergate levels of corrupt incompetence during its very first month?

    Ooooh ooooh!!! Call on me!!!

    (waving hand in air)

    I did! I did!

  29. 29
    Wag says:

    Rep Jason Chaffetz R-UT tells reporters there’s no need to further probe Flynn. “It’s taking care of itself”

    By this does Rep Chaffetz mean that Flynn is going to meet the sharp end of poison dipped umbrella while out waling the streets of DC, and we don’t need to worry out pretty little heads about anything?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Major Major Major Major: “This is the administration LEAST connected to Russian chicanery IN HISTORY, PERIOD!”

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    Kay says:

    Watch this 7 minutes of Trump talking about himself at a “parent teacher listening session” today. He’s reading off sheets of paper and what hits you is what a bore he is. You would be dying if you had to sit thru a dinner with this old man. It’s not just the fact that he talks about himself incessantly, it’s that he’s boring. There’s no humor- just that smug half-smile. Those poor people have to sit there smiling as he goes on and on and on.

    He’s a crashing bore.

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    MCA1 says:

    Not in the right geographic areas myself, but we need about 10,000 loud, sign-bearing people outside the offices of Nunes, Chaffetz, Ryan and McTurtle pronto, and daily, until they relent.

    Expect the Gallup numbers to be into the 30’s for approval by Thursday at the latest. This train is off the rails.

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    Baud says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I can’t believe Obama skipped over the chapter on “Don’t Hire Russian Moles” in the “Presidenting for Dummies” textbook.

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    trollhattan says:

    Not ending my ten-year spurning of cable news but damn it, they’re tempting me. From the “I know you are but what am I?!?” file.

    Political strategist Ana Navarro joined CNN’s Brooke Baldwin on Tuesday afternoon, along with Matt Schlapp, the political director under former President George W. Bush. Navarro and Schlapp exchanged words about White House controversies regarding the resignation of General Michael Flynn and the Trump administration’s relationship with Russia.

    However, the conversation quickly escalated into a screaming match between the two, which Baldwin had trouble reining in. Navarro argued in favor of an investigation into the administration’s Russia ties, noting, “We have a president who has given us moral equivalency with [Putin]” she started, as Schlapp told her, “stop, stop.”

    “No, don’t tell me to stop!” she shot back, as the two proceeded to shout over one another.

    “You can yell all you want,” Schlapp shouted at Navarro who shouted back, “You’re the one yelling at me!”

    “You’re talking to the wrong girl, Matt. You’re talking to the wrong girl.” she said. “You’re not gonna stop me, baby.”

    LOVE the name Schlapp. German eroticism.

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    Jeffro says:

    KEEP UP THE PRESSURE…and here’s why, folks: presenting the response from my somewhat-renowned RWNJ dad, after I did an email ‘victory lap’ over being right about Flynn, Trump, and Russia today:

    There seems much more to this than has been released by the WH. I would support a third party investigation that includes the leaks and a redacted release of any phone transcripts between Flynn and others. Can’t fathom how Flynn thought he could phone anyone without the call being detected by our Intel service and possibly the Intel services of other countries. Would really like to know why Flynn went off the rails. Also, DJT could put many rumors to rest with release of tax returns.

    (don’t worry – I’ll be sure to remind him that if Chaffetz would just do 1/100 of the number he did on HRC, we wouldn’t need a “third party investigation”! BUT STILL!)

    This story has legs for days…it has more legs than a centipede…it has legs and arms and tentacles and disgusting orange appendages we don’t even want to know about…

    Remember: there are still people for whom this is all new information. Send ’em links, make the case, help ’em see how it all fits together. And be happy warriors ’cause sometimes even RWNJ dads can put 2 and 2 together!

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    Yarrow says:

    The longer the Republicans slow walk this investigation, the more of the top GOP leadership Trump is going to take out when he goes. They don’t seem to understand this.

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    @FlipYrWhig: What truly astonishing here is that while they were busy going batshit over Hillary’s emails, at least some of them KNEW this was going on at the EXACT same time…

    Did they NOT expect this to come out, sooner or later?

    Simply amazing…

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    Jeffro says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Most large companies are plagued by waste, fraud, abuse, corruption, office politics, incompetence, etc.

    This is one of the things that always bugged me: people complain about government doing all of that, but big business does it equally well, without FOIA and sunshine laws and everything else trying to keep it on an even keel

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    trollhattan says:

    @Kay:
    Keep reflecting on the campaign in which not a single “Charming, humanizing personal anecdote from a regular person or old acquaintance”–the fodder of presidential campaigns–came forward. It’s simple: there are none.

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    Kay says:

    This is the scary part: Trump thinks he’s doing a great job. He’s smugly self-satisfied with his performance. He actually believes that people love him.

    He’s 70. Is it likely that delusional grandiose view of his accomplishments will change? No.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan:

    LOVE the name Schlapp

    sounds like a wet fart.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: White people still do. That’s all he cares about.

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    Redshift says:

    While it’s far from the most egregious aspect of this maladministration, the top-to-bottom Dunning-Kreuger effect is quite striking. That’s the only explanation I can imagine for why a supposed intelligence professional (Flynn) would fail to realize that communications with the Russian ambassador on an open line might be monitored; that he was sure he was smarter than his opponents and couldn’t recognize his own incredible incompetence.

    Well, I suppose another alternative is that he was enough of an authoritarian to believe that once they were in power they would be able to squelch anything inconvenient, and no one would ever know about it. Evidence of incredible incompetence either way, though.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Most large companies are plagued by waste, fraud, abuse, corruption, office politics, incompetence

    And those are the GOOD ones.

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    tobie says:

    @Major Major Major Major: The FBI interviewed Flynn shortly after Jan 20! Sometime in the first week of the administration Trump & Co knew Flynn lied about his phone call with the Russians, or if you prefer was caught red-handed. This all happened in Trump’s time and he decided that having his NSA chief collude with the Russians was no biggie. The Republicans need to be hounded with this day-in, day-out.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Wag: Maybe a nice cup of tea.

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    I expected the intelligence community and especially the CIA to have hard evidence within days of his inauguration of Trump committing treason by giving state secrets to Russia so that Russia could use them against America. How fast that would be acted on or come out, I wasn’t sure. The only thing that surprises me is how the non-deplorable public have exploded, and thank goodness.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Major Major Major Major: RE: Spicer now blames the Obama DOJ for not notifying the WH quickly enough about Flynn.

    OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK

    This is the new Standard Operating Procedure. Previously, I heard a conservative law professor claim that Obama holdovers in the State Department and other agencies deliberately enforced the immigration executive order incorrectly in order to embarrass the Trump Administration.

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    Ridnik Chrome says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Well played, sir.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Spicer now blames the Obama DOJ for not notifying the WH quickly enough about Flynn.

    So not even twelve hours before Flyn an Obama admin issue. ROFL.

  52. 52
    Cacti says:

    Trump’s Nat Sec Advisor was likely colluding with a foreign government against the sitting administration, and the thing Trump is most concerned about is…

    Leaks.

    This whole thing is growing more Nixonian by the hour.

  53. 53
    Spaniel says:

    I am so confused. I just read Matthew Boyle’s 14 FEB 2017 article in Brietbart, and the first sentence says it was the GOP establishment that had LTG Flynn ousted as NSA director.

    So is ‘dirty liberal trash’ now code for GOP establishment?

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    Kay says:

    @trollhattan:

    It hadn’t hit me before though that he’s just a regular country club bore. If this person had inherited real estate in Little Rock Arkansas instead of NYC no one would have ever heard of him. He’s completely unremarkable. He’s like middling-to-bad at reading off a piece of paper. and he’s even more dull when he’s riffing.

    This is someone who has been sitting at tables boring people for 40 years and he knows they;re trapped. They have to sit there until he stops talking. It’s just AMAZING how over-rated he is.

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    @Brachiator: Blaming Obama for everything Republicans do was SOP before January 20 too, so I don’t know if I’d characterize it as ‘new’.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @debbie:

    This definitively proves that a CEO would not make a good president. Hopefully, they won’t try this again.

    If California is the future them it’s CEO canidates here on out for the GOP.

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    Yeah, Nixon thought he could outlast it too. That ended well.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Kay:

    Watch this 7 minutes of Trump

    No thanks. I’ll go over there in the corner and whack myself with a claw hammer instead.

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    debbie says:

    @Kay:

    Just like a Dale Carnegie believer. If you believe, it will be so.

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    jl says:

    The third episode of that new Melissa McCarthy show promises be a lot better than the second one.

    Edit: are you guys watching? It’s a hoot.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Kay:

    This is the scary part: Trump thinks

    Yes it is.
    Shoulda’ stopped right there.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t think they do. They’re just not willing to admit it yet.

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    Spaniel says:

    The California GOP congressman, Nissan (sp?) is making a lot of noise to why an American citizen is having his phone tapped. Could it be talking to a foreign representative the grounds for listening? Or it will be ironic, don’t ya think, a warrant was sought and given to watch Flynn?

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    cmorenc says:

    @trollhattan:

    @debbie:
    We probably shouldn’t rush to judgement on Gorsuch; two years of hearings sounds about right.

    Even if against the grain of having far more Dem-held Senate seats than GOP-held Senate seats up in 2018, we manage to win a majority – even if Gorsuch hearings did drag out all the way through the Nov 2018 elections, you can count on the GOP to rush his confirmation through in the lame duck period before the incumbent’s terms expire on Jan 3rd (when the newly elected Senators take office).

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I genuinely believe it’s an imposition to invite those nice people there and then make them listen to this boring braggart.

    No one should go. Don’t encourage this.

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    jl says:

    @debbie:

    ‘ Just like a Dale Carnegie believer. If you believe, it will be so. ‘

    Drumpf skipped the chapters on how to win friends and influence people. He should go back and read those now. Or maybe not, probably way too late.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @trollhattan: I am amazed at the number of adult men involved in this who don’t know how to talk to a woman. –

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    MCA1 says:

    Just a random thought: has anyone approached Sean Patrick Maloney (D-NY, 18th District) about what it might take for him not to run for re-election in 2018?

    Perhaps y’all see where I’m going with this?

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    joel hanes says:

    @Kay:

    He’s reading off sheets of paper

    This is actually interesting news to me.

    I had been forming the idea that he was functionally illiterate. Seems I was wrong.
    Can you characterize the text he’s reading ?

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    debbie says:

    @Brachiator:

    I heard a conservative law professor claim that Obama holdovers in the State Department and other agencies deliberately enforced the immigration executive order incorrectly in order to embarrass the Trump Administration.

    Were there holdovers?

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    jl says:

    @Kay:

    ‘ He’s 70. Is it likely that delusional grandiose view of his accomplishments will change? No. ‘

    Are there any good (have to be really really good) retraining programs for elderly professional rich man’s sons who are making a change in career?

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @Kay: One of the only saving graces, psychologically of this whole mess is the fact that 45 will NEVER be amongst the cool kids (Hollywood, elites etc>) no matter how desperately he wants to be. Even from the Oval Office, he’s still Trash and is a joke to everyone. This is why I’m all for the repetition of “2.9 Million votes” over and over….

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: It would be nice to put the country in a cone of silence.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    @joel hanes: “See Spot run. Run, Spot, run.”

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    scav says:

    @efgoldman: “Trump thinks”

    Does it count as thinking if it’s a hard-wired neural response to indiscriminate stimuli?

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    Yarrow says:

    @debbie:
    Yep. Nixon couldn’t outlast it. Neither can Trump.

    Spicer's presser left more Qs than As. WH is a few Hill #GOPers away from the Flynn fiasco snowballing into something which will sink Trump.— John Schindler (@20committee) February 14, 2017

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    lollipopguild says:

    @trollhattan: He is the type of boss at work that Nobody likes or has one good thing to say about.

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    Baud says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    45 will NEVER be amongst the cool kids (Hollywood, elites etc>)

    I think even the A/V club rejects him.

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    Turgidson says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    “[Trump goon] blames Obama for [anything they don’t like, up to and including paper cuts and rainy days]” will be a go-to move for these insufferable braindead dolts for the foreseeable future.

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    Literally says:

    @debbie: I just heard on the radio (Hannity, I think?) that the entire problem with Flynn is due to “holdovers” from the “liberal bureaucracy” – “the Great Society” was mentioned (anathema, evidently, since it’s not MAGA) – leaking information, just to “get” Flynn, Trump, etc.

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    Baud says:

    @Literally: Meh. Works for me.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    And DeVos is completely comfortable with it because she’s one too. She’s a country-clubber too. She has been sitting in nice rooms at tables with men like this her entire life, smiling and nodding.

    She might be a little smug. She’s richer than Trump.She’s richer than all the Trumpsters. She might think he’s a little sleazy.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    “The obvious Russian mole that Trump picked as his National Security Advisor is a Russian mole? THANKS, OBAMA!”

    You know, it would be funny if it weren’t so damn shameless and pusillanimous.

    No, I take that back. It *is* funny, *altho* so damn shameless and pusillanimous.

    As Kabumpo, the Elegant Elephant, once so memorably noted: “I’m too old to cry, I might as well laugh.”

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    @scav:

    Does it count as thinking if it’s a hard-wired neural response to indiscriminate stimuli?

    Good question; does the person in the room know Chinese?

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    jl says:

    @Literally: Damn straight. What’s with the delay on the Yates’ investigation? Should be hearings now.

    Edit: Sorry, I forgot that Chaffetz is looking into a nefarious cartoon character. Inquisitive Sid, or Curious George, or whatever. That is more important. Sorry.

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    scav says:

    If those dastardly elements of the outgoing administration hadn’t left all those keyboards intact in govt offices, than none! of these evil evil leaks could ever had occurred!

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    She might think he’s a little sleazy.

    And here I thought I would never agree with her on anything.

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    japa21 says:

    @Literally: One the arguments from the GOP as to why the Russian hacking and leaking of DNC stuff was no big deal is that we learned the truth so who cares how it came about. When the shoe is on the other foot the how suddenly matters more than the truth.

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    Shell says:

    says Flynn resignation doesn’t “deserve” investigation. “I think highly of him, he’s a hero of this country for many years”

    Not to go all “To Eleven”, but my first thought reading this was “Yeah, so was Benedict Arnold.”

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @efgoldman:

    Can I borrow it when you are done?

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    Mike in NC says:

    I had every indication that Trump/Pence would go the way of Nixon/Agnew, but thought it would take on the order of 6-12 months. Now I’m betting on 3-6.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @efgoldman: I worked at a large corporation where people high up would send out e-mails with words misspelled, sentence structure that left you wondering which college gave them their masters degree and with instructions for us minions to do things that would have gotten us fired if we had done what the e-mail told us to do. There were a lot of “ignore my first/previous e-mail” messages in our e-mails.

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    Mary G says:

    That is an impossibly young Kevin Bacon in that clip, you know.

    ETA: According to IMDB, it was his first movie role, at 20.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Spaniel: The dumb thing is, they don’t even need a warrant to spy on the conversations of foreign nationals, ESPECIALLY foreign government officials on unprotected phones. We keep track of that shit for a reason.

    @Literally: Yeah, well. It’s always liberals fault for everything. I just had a mostly sensible conservative friend who voted against Trump (not sure for who, though) tell me that Trump’s wall is exactly like he promised, and any deviations from the oft-repeated “Large Wall and Mexico Will Pay For It” are democrats fault, NOT Trump’s. He had no answer when I said that the reasons literally all policy analysts said Trump was lying is that there was no way to do it and that Democrats wouldn’t go along with it. So Trump had to be lying when he insisted he would do it, over and over again. But no, I was informed wistfully that it was clearly our fault for making Trump wrong.

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    Hovercraft says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    When the doj told them he was lying, they didn’t believe them, so it’s Obama’s fault for not forcing them to believe that it was serious.

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    Baud says:

    @MisterForkbeard: I’m happy to take he blame for stopping that monstrosity.

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    scav says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Democrats clearly control the free-market price of all raw materials (labor goes without saying) and their iron first on the Mexican National Budget is legendary.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Mary G: Everything goes better with bacon, including crowds of people stampeding. Maybe the trump administration should be put on double secret probation.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Literally:

    “the Great Society” was mentioned

    They NEVER get over shit, do they. Still hippie-punching, except all the hippies and anybody that worked on LBJ’s Great Society are long dead or in the home.
    They can’t even flail properly, which is what’s saving us.

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    Redshift says:

    The other thing that’s appalling about Ryan’s statement is how he equates an investigation with a rush to judgment. Even if he’s running it.

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    Brachiator says:

    Dear Purity Ponies:

    Please explain to me again how, Trump and Clinton, no difference…

    cc: Ralph Nader, Jill Stein, Julian Assange
    bcc: Glenn Greenwald

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    Mike in DC says:

    Trump is a continuous serious of bad-to-terrible news cycles for the GOP. Sooner or later they have to break ranks as a matter of political survival. It might be later rather than sooner, though. I’d like to see Evan McMullen challenge Chaffee, to put more pressure on him to really investigate Trump.

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    Redshift says:

    @MisterForkbeard: Sure. Just like the reason that Reagan and W’s “starve the beast” tax cuts caused deficits is because Democrats something something mumble.

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    Yarrow says:

    They can’t even keep their stories straight.

    Dana Rohrabacher tells me the Flynn controversy was a media creation and then suggested Trump may have directed Flynn to discuss sanctions.— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) February 14, 2017

    The controversy is all made up! No, wait…Trump told him to discuss sanctions. No wait! Trump doesn’t know anything!

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    Hovercraft says:

    @FlipYrWhig:
    I think they are convinced that they were too the most corrupt administration in history, but they got away with it. The media and democrats jumping all over this are doing so because they are biased against the Shitgibbon and republicans. It’s not fair, this was a setup.

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    Redshift says:

    @Brachiator: Greenwald has been saying that the only reason for all of this talk of treason is “hysteria” in DC about Russia. Which, by complete coincidence, is the same line coming from Russian officials!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Brachiator: What amazed me was when Noam Chomsky came out for HRC. Fucking Chomsky knew the stakes in this contest.

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    Baud says:

    @Brachiator: They will.

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    joel hanes says:

    @jl:

    retraining programs for elderly professional rich man’s sons who are making a change in career?

    See _Captains_Courageous_, by Rudyard Kipling
    or Army boot camp

    Oh, you mean the guy who is to be retrained is himself already elderly ?
    Well, there’s an old song by Spirit: “It’s Nature’s Way”, which in this case might best be taken to refer to pneumonia, once known as “the old man’s friend”.

    Other than that: you need Gandalf to come into the hall with his staff to smite Grima and speak in a voice like thunder.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Yarrow: If there’s anybody more in Putin’s pocket than Manafort or Flynn, it’s Rohrabacher.

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    Brachiator says:

    Does this mean that the Trump/Putin Bromance is over?

    Russia has secretly deployed a cruise missile that US says violates an arms treaty, report says

    Russia has secretly deployed a missile that American officials argue violates a key arms treaty, presenting a new foreign policy test for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Tuesday, citing administration officials.

    The development would pose another diplomatic challenge for the president in the early days of his administration. Trump has pledged to improve relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The report comes only hours after a key foreign policy official, National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, resigned following revelations that he misled Vice President Mike Pence about his contact with Russian officials. Some lawmakers have called for a deeper investigation into Flynn’s ties with Moscow.

    Breaking up is hard to do.

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    MoxieM says:

    Darn It @trollhattan, you made me go to LEO to look up Schlapp…it means floppy or flabby or nerveless…. in other words, I do not think that word means what you think it does…or does it?

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    Peale says:

    @Shell: seriously? When did generals become saintly priests?

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    Redshift says:

    @Brachiator:

    The development would pose another diplomatic challenge for the president in the early days of his administration. Trump has pledged to improve relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Since “better relations with Russia” has only ever seemed to mean “letting Putin do whatever he wants, as long as he says I’m great,” I’m not sure this is as big a challenge as they think.

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    debbie says:

    @Yarrow:

    No, that just shows what an idiot Rohrabacher is. I remember watching him on Bill Mahr’s old show. He insisted Bill Clinton dyed his hair gray so people would take him more seriously.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Can’t wait for him to be part of the investigation. Not on the side of the table conducting the investigation, mind you.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Brachiator: I’ve been reliably (!) informed by a Democrat-turned-Independent/Purity Pony that even tho’ Trump sucks, Clinton and the Democrats suck ALMOST AS MUCH, because REASONS (did you know that DNC shenanigans threw the primaries?? It’s true, apparently! Never mind those damn primary voters who deprived the good Senator of the nomination WITH VOTES!) and that he expects the Democrats to straighten up and fly right with new ideas, fresh blood, etc etc before they will be Truly Worthy of his vote.

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    @Gin & Tonic: Chomsky said in 2012 to vote for Obama if you lived in a swing state.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Kabumpo, the Elegant Elephant

    It’s so rare to find someone who has read _all_ the OZ books. You don’t meet Kabumpo until you’ve exhausted Baum and moved on to Ruth Plumly Thompson.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Brachiator: Trump must be terrified. He fired Flynn hoping it would make all this mess go away. But Putin is angry. And he’s got plenty of kompromat on Trump, plus the financial investments. Trump can’t go too far criticizing or pushing back against Russia or there will be a few things leaked to the press….

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    Cacti says:

    @Redshift:

    Greenwald has been saying that the only reason for all of this talk of treason is “hysteria” in DC about Russia. Which, by complete coincidence, is the same line coming from Russian officials!

    It’s all hands on deck in Moskva.

    Comrade Greenwald has been deployed to dupe gullible lefties.

    And yesterday he was talking about how leaks that undermine “the elected government” are bad, mmmkay. A position he’s held…for approximately 24-hours.

    Ruskileaks is making similar noises.

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    MisterForkbeard says:

    @Baud: Make sure it’s in your big list of accomplishments in your convention’s nomination video in 2020.

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    Redshift says:

    @Shell: Does “hero” mean anything to wingnuts other than “a uniform makes my heart flutter”? I just looked through Flynn’s bio, and I challenge anyone to identify anything “heroic” in it.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mike in DC:

    Trump is a continuous serious of bad-to-terrible news cycles for the GOP. Sooner or later they have to break ranks as a matter of political survival.

    The Republicans still have Trump’s back. For example,

    The House Ways and Means Committee on Tuesday rejected a Democratic push to ask for President Trump’s tax returns.

    The amendment, offered by Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) to the panel’s oversight plan, was voted down on a party-line vote.

    So, now. Just supposing… nothing but a rumor, but you know …. might there be something in those tax returns that could link Trump to Russian financial interests?

    Someone should ask and look into it.

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    Hovercraft says:

    @Redshift:
    He rewrote the rules during the campaign and got away with it, so why not as president. You people suddenly expecting him to follow the law and stuff are being very unfair to him.

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    Yarrow says:

    Ha! This made me laugh.

    I didn't realize Democrats clandestinely made Trump, Flynn, Manafort, et al get in bed with Putin+the Kremlin.

    Hillary really IS powerful!— John Schindler (@20committee) February 14, 2017

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @joel hanes: I haven’t actually read *all* the Oz books – there are authors even beyond Ruth Plumly Thompson whose works I’ve barely scratched – but Kabumpo and I are old, old friends.

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @Baud:

    I’m happy to take he blame for stopping that monstrosity.

    That could be your campaign slogan: “I stopped Trump’s wall!”

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    jl says:

    @Baud: 2020 is your year. Doing absolutely nothing but sitting in a WH window sipping a cold one, and waving the passers-by in between naps will look like a damn good platform by then.

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    Hovercraft says:

    @tobie: you are assuming he was briefed about it himself, remember he said he prefers to have his DNI, Flynn get the brief and them give him a summary. I am being facetious, I assume that they would brief him directly about something like this. At least I hope so.

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    danielx says:

    Rep Jason Chaffetz R-UT tells reporters there’s no need to further probe Flynn. “It’s taking care of itself”

    Jason Chaffetz will not investigate anything Trump-related short of video showing Trump fucking a pig, and I’m not sure that would do it.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Cacti: Damn, it’s just like watching the Republicans flail around with regard to “investigations” – suddenly leaks are a BAD thing to Wikileaks and Greenwald? Whatever happened to “information wants to be free”, little tovarischii?

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    Yarrow says:

    Well, well. This is interesting.

    JUST IN: Sources tell NBC News that VP Pence was informed of DOJ warning about Flynn 11 days after White House and Pres. Trump knew— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 14, 2017

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    jl says:

    @danielx: What is the name of that subversive little cartoon punk Chaffetz is investigating? Inquisitive Sid, Insidious Sid, insubordinate Sid? I forget. Anyway, Sid take priority, clearly.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @jl: Sid (the Subversive) Science Kid. Since science is inherently suspect, natch.

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    jl says:

    @danielx: He has a point. All the great scandals, Teapot Dome, Credit Mobilier, Watergate, would have been much bigger and better if busybodies had just kept their noses out and let them grow and ripen.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    and that he expects the Democrats to straighten up and fly right with new ideas, fresh blood, etc etc before they will be Truly Worthy of his vote.

    It must be nice to live in a fantasy land where there are no problems or people suffering or about to lose their rights.

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    Cacti says:

    Here’s what I’m wondering now:

    Was Sally Yates fired over the immigration EO, or was that just a ruse to get rid of her because she had the goods on Flynn?

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    randy khan says:

    @debbie:

    In the State Department, there was basically nobody in any appointed job within 24 hours of the Inauguration. I think there maybe was one person in the first three layers of the org chart. Someone posted a copy with all of the people who were gone crossed out – it was impressive in a certain way.

    I don’t know about DHS, but if any of the reports are accurate, DHS specifically asked for and got guidance on how the order would work. (Or, more specifically, DHS interpreted the order and got told by the WH that they wanted it to be interpreted much more harshly.)

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    quakerinabasement says:

    How many of us expected the Trump Administration to reach Nixon-post-Watergate levels of corrupt incompetence during its very first month?

    [raises hand]

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    Brachiator says:

    @Redshift:

    Does “hero” mean anything to wingnuts other than “a uniform makes my heart flutter”? I just looked through Flynn’s bio, and I challenge anyone to identify anything “heroic” in it.

    The wingnuts had a stiffy for Flynn because he had bad mouthed Obama.

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    piratedan says:

    @Literally: well if so, then they did a wonderful job, mission accomplished.

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    randy khan says:

    I got an email from Tim Kaine:

    Dear Friend,

    The resignation of Lieutenant General Flynn cements the worst fears of many Americans and our allies about the connections between this Administration and the Kremlin. His alarming communication with the Russian government underscores the need to complete a full, independent, bipartisan, and transparent investigation of contacts between the Trump campaign and the Trump Administration, and the Russian government.

    Flynn is now the third Trump advisor to resign due to unseemly ties to Russia and yet again President Trump is trying to distract from these allegations by railing against leaks in his Administration. We need to get to the bottom of these ties to Russia in order to protect our country.

    Sincerely,

    Senator Tim Kaine

    That, as they say, pulls no punches. Senator Dad Jeans is getting pretty tough. I called his office and thanked him.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Yarrow:

    I so want Pence to be taken down along with Trump. Then Ryan.

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    trollhattan says:

    If the Donald thinks he’s going to “save coal” then he’d best hightail it to the Southwest.

    The smokestacks of the Navajo Generation Station rise 775 feet from the sere landscape of the Navajo Nation in northern Arizona, just three miles away from the serpentine, stagnant blue wound in sandstone known as Lake Powell. Red rock cliffs and the dark and heavy hump of Navajo Mountain loom in the background. Since construction began in 1969, the coal plant and its associated mine on Black Mesa have provided millions of dollars to the Navajo and Hopi tribes and hundreds of jobs to local communities, as well as electricity to keep the lights on and air conditioners humming in the metastasizing cities of Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas and Los Angeles. Yet they’ve also stood as symbols of the exploitation of Native Americans, of the destruction of the land, and of the sullying of the air, all to provide cheap power to the Southwest.

    But coal power is no longer the best energy bargain. And on Monday the plant’s four private utility owners, led by the Salt River Project, voted to shut down the plant at the end of 2019, some 25 years ahead of schedule. When the giant turbines come to a halt and the towers topple in the coming years, the plant will become a new symbol, this one of a transforming energy economy and an evolving electrical grid that is slowly rendering these soot-stained, mechanical megaliths obsolete.

    Economics have killed coal; the rest is gravy (e.g., clean air and water).

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    randy khan says:

    @Redshift:

    The other thing that’s appalling about Ryan’s statement is how he equates an investigation with a rush to judgment. Even Particularly if he’s running it.

    FTFY.

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    Cacti says:

    @trollhattan:

    China also scuttled plans for 104 coal-fired plants.

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    geg6 says:

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    Yup. Nothing gets under his skin more than that. Hit that hard and constantly and, if we’re lucky, he’ll stroke out during a 3am tweetstorm.

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    GregB says:

    Who is next into the metaphorical woodchipper?

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    SRW1 says:

    @MoxieM:

    You missed ‘flaccid’ as a possible meaning of ‘schlapp’, though for the amorous conotation most Germans would use ‘schlaff’ as the adjective.

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    MCA1 says:

    @zhena gogolia: T’would be a great thing. I alluded to it upthread, but how’s this fantasy scenario:

    1. GOP keeps slow walking this while leaks continue to mount, but by the time they get around to realizing impeachment is necessary it’s too late for at least 24 of them in the House.
    2. Somehow Pence gets as tied up in this as Drumpf, so it’s possible both of them are taken down.
    3. Sean Patrick Maloney in NY’s 18th (home of a certain Chappaqua) decides not to run for re-election, paving the way for a certain former Senator/Sec’y of State to run for that seat.
    4. Said former Senator/Sec’y of State wins, Democrats retake the House in midterms, and guess who unanimously wins a race for Speaker when Pelosi yields?
    5. Drumpf and Pence both impeached.
    6. Karmic satisfaction so great spontaneous orgasms occur all over the country.

    Yes, it’s ridiculous and farfetched. But that it’s even approaching possible in the real world if someone chose to pursue it is pretty astounding.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @trollhattan: @Cacti: I saw an article the other day that solar is now cheaper than natural gas or coal in India. I know the devil’s often in the details– cheaper than new coal fired plants, for example– but I’ll take good news where I can get it these days.

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    dmsilev says:

    @GregB: There was an interesting story over at Vox parsing some recent emanations from Breitbart, coming to the conclusion that Bannon and his band of maniacs have their knives out for Reince Preibus.

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    scav says:

    Pence is so clearly a bit of forgotten belly-button lint in this administration. And it’s a so clearly a step up from where he was headed.

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    JMG says:

    Here’s the problem. Trump has one card left to play that’ll keep him on top — please his supporters with acts of vicious cruelty against non-white people anywhere on earth. They’ll let him sell Arizona to Putin if he does that.

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    dmsilev says:

    @MCA1: Step 3 is actually unnecessary; there’s no requirement that the Speaker be a member of the House. It’s always been that way, true, but there’s no actual law or rule requiring it.

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    debbie says:

    @dmsilev:

    Amazing these guys find any time for “governing.”

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    debbie says:

    @randy khan:

    Thought so, thanks.

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    danielx says:

    @Brachiator:

    There is such a place, as explained by TBogg a while back….

    Your Mumia sweatshirt won’t get you into heaven anymore

    A comment left over at digg regarding Ralph Nader:

    The Democrats really hate Nader because he points out the fact that they are asking those of us on the left to vote for them but they aren’t doing anything for us. Did they end funding for the Republican’s crime spree in Iraq? No. Have they moved for UHC? No. Have they tried to stop corporate crimes? No. Have they tried to reform the tax code to be progressive? No. Have they tried to protect homeowners from predatory lenders? No. Have they defended our constitutional rights? No. Take back the FDA from the corporations? No. The FCC? No.
    The Democrats don’t deserve my vote. They aren’t helping the left, why should the left help them?

    Let me see if I can explain it this way:

    Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

    You don’t live there.

    Grow the fuck up.

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    Corner Stone says:

    God damn fucking David Ignatius. What a piece of shit apologist.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @MCA1:

    3. Sean Patrick Maloney in NY’s 18th (home of a certain Chappaqua) decides not to run for re-election, paving the way for a certain former Senator/Sec’y of State to run for that seat.
    4. Said former Senator/Sec’y of State wins, Democrats retake the House in midterms, and guess who unanimously wins a race for Speaker when Pelosi yields?

    That part’s not necessary, actually. The House can vote anybody as speaker. Kind of a backdoor Prime Minister if the Pres and VP can be impeached.

    Edit: dangit, ninja’d

    Edit #2: But, yeah, amazing that that’s no longer absurd.

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    efgoldman says:

    @lollipopguild:

    There were a lot of “ignore my first/previous e-mail” messages in our e-mails.

    I worked for a REALLY GREAT large company, treated employees well, encouraged moving up, paid decently, really good bennies, non-public, so no stockholders reading the quarterlies, really good management philosophy…..
    And we still had most of the typical large organization problems.

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    danielx says:

    @JMG:

    They’ll let him sell Arizona to Putin if he does that.

    They’d let him sell Florida to Putin if he does that, and throw in DC in the bargain. They’re both full of brown people, after all.

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    lamh36 says:

    I won’t link to it, but apparently some jackass conservative cartoonist published a cartoon of Betsy DeVos depicted ala Ruby Bridges…

    Lordt…these folks are trying Black folk for real…smh

    if you haven’t seen it you can google DeVos and Bridges…

    Ugh…that muthafucker!!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @GregB:

    Who is next into the metaphorical woodchipper?

    I will be happy to pay for the rental of a real one.

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    MCA1 says:

    @dmsilev: Oh, right! Even better. I don’t know that Pelosi or anyone else would go along with it, but the schadenfreude would be so incredible if Dems poked the GOP with that. Even if impeachment wasn’t on the table it would be cool.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Yarrow:

    No wait! Trump doesn’t know anything!

    Whatever else is or isn’t true, that last sentence is absolute honesty. First time Rohrbacher has been right in this lifetime.

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    bemused says:

    Instead of people gathering at republican town halls and congressional offices chanting “shame, shame”, isn’t time to be yelling traitors and treason?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @danielx: I am having a bit of a time figuring out what your message here is. IMO, anyone who invokes Mumia in a derisive manner as some slam against people on the left can go fuck themselves.

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    Sloane Ranger says:

    We still don’t know what was actually said during this conversation. I assume that if it was just the Russian Ambassador sounding off about the sanctions and Flynn saying something soothing about Trump reviewing them once he took office there wouldn’t be this level of ho ha from those who have read the transcript so what he said must be juicy.

    Unless Flynn is suffering from dementia the only way someone as experienced in Intelligence work as he is would think that he would suffer no consequences is if he had reason to believe he was acting on the President elect’s instructions.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Brachiator:
    Ding, ding, ding, much like being a well known black neuro surgeon who attacked Obama to his face on national TV, elevated Ben Carson to superstar status among republicans, a General who was forced out and was then willing to bad mouth his old boss made Flynn the best General in the past century other than Petreaus.

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    Pogonip says:

    @debbie: I didn’t work for one but I’ve sure seen some of their management decisions! New Coke to go with your Zantigo, anyone?

    Zantigo was a taco chain, with a product much superior to Taco Bell, but the management were idiots. In the early ’80’s, I was doing market research; we had a contract to recruit people for a test group. They wanted 50/50 male/female. The male slots filled up within a few hours. We never did get the female slots filled. Why? Because we could not recruit women for the evening slots–those were reserved for men, “because men work.” I guess Zantigo was uninterested in guys who worked the 2nd shift.

    This, I say again, was in the early ’80’s, a time when even women who could afford to stay home would have been embarrassed to do so. So if you’d never heard of Zantigo, now you know why!

    Taco Bell swallowed them up. They kept some of the Zantigo menu items–the Chilito, for example, was a Zantigo product (and when they made it, it was good).

    There’s also the sad case of Big Bear, an Ohio grocery chain bought out by idiots. They’re now Giant Eagle. Failed grocery chains should be ample evidence that businessmen aren’t geniuses–some of them manage to go broke selling food, for God’s sake.

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    Baud says:

    @bemused:

    isn’t time to be yelling traitors and treason?

    предателях!

    предательстве!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Sloane Ranger:

    We still don’t know what was actually said during this conversation

    Some Russian media now apparently saying Wikileaks will be releasing that call. I wonder who “leaked” them the audio. I’m sure it will be complete and unedited.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mike in DC:

    I’m sitting at my desk at a large corporation reading this comment, so, yeah.

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    dmsilev says:

    @debbie: Look on the bright side. The more time they spend trying to shiv each other via various right-wing media orifices, the less time they have to do actual damage.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Have you seen the Books Of Wonder reprints of the first editions of the first few Baums ?
    Gorgeous.

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    sigaba says:

    @Baud: Your “traitors” appear to be declined into the locative case.

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    Jeffro says:

    @randy khan: that’s awesome! Go Tim!! Or as Sara Benincasa calls him, “your nice dad”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Baud: The plural is “предатели”.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Pogonip:

    some of them manage to go broke selling food,

    The grocery business is actually a difficult way to make money.
    Much of the stock is extremely perishable.
    Many of the suppliers are unable to guarantee timely delivery of product with known characteristics.
    The margins are very low, and in profitable markets, the competition extensive.
    The opportunities for automation are limited.

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    Baud says:

    @sigaba: It’s because I’m angry and I mean business.

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    Jeffro says:

    PS. Tweety just played a clip of Flynn ranting about HRC at the convention noting the irony of Flynn’s chanting “lock her up!” As well as the utter disdain with which Flynn spits out “she” each time

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    Jeffro says:

    @Gin & Tonic: probably just Flynn and his Russian buddy swapping borscht recipes

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    @jl: Baud would have to wear clothes to do that, otherwise…think of the children.

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    hueyplong says:

    The GOP’s flat-out admission that they don’t use investigations for fact gathering only highlights the apparent theme and governing principle of our ruling party:

    “The GOP: Avoiding the appearance of propriety.”

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @debbie: And you know that they will do their best to cover it up for as long as possible. By the time this administration completely collapses under all of its misdeeds, it will drag the entire Republican Party down with it. Deservedly so. Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the gang can continue to look away and pretend that there’s nothing to see.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Spicer now blames the Obama DOJ for not notifying the WH quickly enough about Flynn.

    I guess the fact that Obama fired Flynn’s ass in 2014 wasn’t a big enough notification.

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    lamh36 says:

    @lamh36: Someone on another site tried to say this

    I took it to mean that DeVos has as much knowledge about schools as a 6-year old that had never been to school.

    bullshit… he didn’t depict some random 6 year old scene in a school yard. That Rockwell painting is an iconic painting…and instantly recognizable to a large number of people,

    Add to that his cartoon background work, and you he knew exactly what he was doing by using this depiction

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    geg6 says:

    @lamh36:

    I saw that earlier today. Horrible.

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    sigaba says:

    @Baud: ладно

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    scav says:

    Rather loving Rand Paul so perfectly illustrating that all that investigating congress did was purely along party lines and had more to do with obstructing other actions than any pursuit of truth or evidence. Detect Obvious, but it’s nice to get these things nailed down.

    “I just don’t think it’s useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. We’ll never even get started with doing the things we need to do, like repealing Obamacare, if we’re spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense.”

    CNN for no particular reason

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @hueyplong: Republicans only use investigations to harass Democrats. That’s quite obvious after the multiple, useless Benghazi/email server witch hunts that Secretary Clinton was forced to endure. Looking back, I wish she had just ignored them and not participated. Didn’t benefit her.

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    Calouste says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I read an article a few months back that European wind energy producers now expect to hit their 2030 targets for kWh price in 2020, 10 years ahead of target.

    We might be heading to a new era of cheap energy, it won’t be fossil fuel.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @lamh36: **blood pressure rising sharply** Just cannot with these people. This cannot go on for four more years.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @trollhattan:

    “You’re talking to the wrong girl, Matt. You’re talking to the wrong girl.” she said. “You’re not gonna stop me, baby.”

    I do love the fact that one of the most prominent Never Trumpians out there is a mouthy, shouty, take-no-fucking-prisoners Latina.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @JMG: According to a comment on this BJ from one of yesterday’s threads, Trump’s favorability rating is 53% among White voters so they must see something in what he’s doing which pleases them. But you’re right that that rating may go up if he starts a war with some non-White (hopefully Muslim) country or goes after minorities here.

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    Emma says:

    @lamh36: For real? I don’t know whether to laugh or pitch a hissy.

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    Turgidson says:

    @Mike in DC:

    The Congressional GOP won’t really turn on Hair Furor until the Trumpist base that they also rely on for electoral viability also shows signs of turning on him. And given that those dipshits trust Dolt 45 to be truthful over the media by a 90/10- type split, it’s going to be a while before that happens, if it ever does.

    I think Dolt 45 is going to survive a dozen or so impeachment-worthy scandals that get dutifully ignored or explained away by the Congressional GOP before he is in any real danger. The soonest I can imagine the GOP starting to turn on him is once all the incumbents are safely past the filing deadlines for potential primary challengers in 2018 – and even then only if they look like they’re at risk of losing the House. Because no matter how idiotic Dolt 45’s actions seem to us and to the comparatively sane parts of the electorate, 27% or so of the electorate will love every second of it, or at least convince themselves that any trouble Trump is in, or has caused, is entirely Obama’s Schumer/Pelosi’s, or the media’s fault. If rank and file GOPers desert Dolt 45 before the base gives permission, they’ll pay.

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    SaneMD says:

    I read on Twitter a little while ago that Kelly Ann Conway has been un-followed on Twitter by DJT, POTUS and White House Twitter accounts. Pass the popcorn.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hm…devil’s advocate…is Kellyanne a rat trying to find a way to jump ship?

    A way to be let go before any prosecution…cause I suspect they all (except Reince and Bannon) did NOT expect just how demanding any part of this job is…especially when you have a Prez who BARELY does the minimum so you have to do the most!

    @Zegota42 3h3 hours ago
    Julie Laumann ✊ Retweeted Washington Post
    Coincidentally, White House, Donald Trump & POTUS twitter accounts just unfollowed Kellyanne (h/t @williamlegate).

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    MoxieM says:

    @SRW! thanks– since I’m working on my German due to my young adult daughter’s residence there, some things are frequent topics of conversation…others, not so much! Especially with der Freunde in the room. (OT: although as a translator/editor she had several penis device instruction manuals to work with–hilarity ensued.)

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    lamh36 says:

    @Emma: yes…really really…you can check HuffPo or google but it was published yesterday in some conservative paper…fuckers

    as a NOLA native who was born and raised in the neighborhood where Ruby Bridges intergrated Frantz…it pissess me off even more

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @GregB:

    Who is next into the metaphorical woodchipper?

    It’s a tie between Kellyanne Conway (who looks exhausted from all the lying she’s had to do) or Spicer (whose blood pressure must be dangerously high). Or hopefully both.

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    jl says:

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    ” Baud would have to wear clothes to do that, otherwise…think of the children. ”

    Don’t be so silly. I never imagined President Baud wandering around the WH in clothes. Whether Baud sits in front of full or half length window sipping his beer and waving between naps depends on how much his genius can reshape our society, which is in big trouble, very big trouble.

    MAFA caps: Make America Fun Again. All you need is the cap.

    Edit: President Baud will not leave America guessing with all this ‘small hands’ BS. He will advocate for full disclosure through his deeds.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Cacti: Looks like the Trump administration used Yates’ opposition to the Muslim Ban EO as an excuse to get rid of a critic who knew about Flynn’s misconduct. Dumb move.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I have zero sympathy for either of those two, especially Conway. They made their choice to work with him, they get to live with the consequences of that choice.

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    dmsilev says:

    @jl: Look, if Winston Churchill could wander around the White House stark naked, so can Baud.

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    lamh36 says:

    Oh…but lets be honest…does anyone think it will matter to enough GOP senators? I mean, it’s not abuse of his GAY lover after all…smh

    @dailykos
    Oprah lets senators see video of Trump labor nominee’s ex-wife alleging abuse

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    jl says:

    @lamh36:

    ” White House, Donald Trump & POTUS twitter accounts just unfollowed Kellyanne ”

    Maybe they’re just punching random buttons trying to get the WH lights to work.

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    Baud says:

    @dmsilev:

    if the American Republic lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

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    lamh36 says:

    So called Liberatarians…nothing but GOP Wolves in sheep’s clothing…

    Rand Paul: Republicans shouldn’t waste time investigating other Republicans

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @joel hanes:

    See […] Rudyard Kipling [….] speak in a voice like thunder over China cros’t the Bay.

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    NMgal says:

    @trollhattan: Wow, thanks for posting about the Navajo Station decision. I remember the first time I drove out there. When the stacks and a column of emissions first appeared on the horizon (of the gorgeous landscape) 30 miles ahead of me, I exclaimed out loud to no one, “What in the fuck is THAT!” A stark manifestation of the choices in our society: huge, ugly, stinking, requiring more ugliness and danger to feed it… producing cash for people who desperately need it and cheap electricity that we desperately want. And just up the road from Glen Canyon Dam impounding Lake Powell, another choice made — cheap electricity, cheap water, horrific environmental and cultural destruction. Extricating ourselves from what modern society has wrought will take much thought and work, no easy D’s or clever slogans.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Lapassionara: I saw Frank Mankiewicz, McGovern’s press secretary, speak at my college back in probably sling 1974. He said then that Nixon would be leaving office prematurely because the news reports were never getting better for his administration. He nailed it, and I think his reasoning probably applies today as well.

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    Captain C says:

    @Brachiator: It’s amazing how the Party of Personal Responsibility never seems to take responsibility for its own actions.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Baud: @sigaba:

    Google translate doesn’t do too well with cases.

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    I think Trump was surprised by all the fuss because he genuinely doesn’t understand why it’s a big deal. He knows nothing about law, normal expectations, and ethics. So he concludes he’s just being picked on.

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    debbie says:

    @lamh36:

    I’m not Twitter-literate enough to track it down, but she apparently tweeted “love you” to some white nationalist.

    Here: https://twitter.com/donaldjorwell/status/831624142642253825

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    lamh36 says:

    I’ve always contended that Trump NEVER wanted to do the work of Prez, but he did want to win.

    Think about it…he picks Pence cause that’s who base would like…then he leaves office somehow…for something he didn’t directly do but he authorized…and bam…goodbye Prez Cheeto…hello Prez pray the gay away.

    Also if that was the ultimate game plan…also explains why the kids are doing all they can while they can to get the money for the Trump “brand” any news is good news after all.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Captain C: Personal Responsibility is for the little people just like honesty and paying taxes.

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    Otis Freeman says:

    @hellslittlestangel: I was just thinking the same thing.

    I think the whole thing has been masterminded by Mike Pence.

    Yes, that’s a joke…

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: A very nice summation of trump.

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    Shalimar says:

    @lamh36: I thought the DeVos cartoon was hilarious in the unjustified victimhood of it. As long as we’re painting evil people in a positive light by comparison, someone needs to do one with a young Joseph Stalin and “Communist” on the wall behind him.

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    Chris T. says:

    I think this demonstrates it well: tell Trump Admin the truth, and you’re fired (Sally Yates). Tell Trump Admin lies, and you’re golden (Flynn), unless enough truth leaks, and then you’re still not fired.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Yeah, I suppose metaphorical is better than an actual wood chipper… I suppose. I guess. Maybe. Kind of….

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    Gravenstone says:

    @debbie: Fucking Trump himself favorably retweeted white supremacists multiple times in the past. For that fact alone, the allegation against Conway should be a bullshit excuse. But if they seize on it as an excuse, more power to them.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @dmsilev:

    I’ve read that LBJ wore just a bathrobe frequently. A very loose-fitting bathrobe. The belt was sort of an afterthought. Yuck.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Miss Bianca: It’s hard to laugh when you know that she’s been lying, but you got to laugh to prevent yourself from crying

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    Shalimar says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I think of the Muslim ban EO as strike 2 after the Flynn warning. You can’t really blame the administration* for not waiting for a strike 3. Yates has ethics. She was going to be a thorn in the side of the shitshow for as long as she retained her job.

    *By which I mean if you were in their shoes as an evil asshole, what other choice was there? Not that I think it was ok. Nothing about this whole administration is ok.

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    Starfish says:

    "Why should we hold ourselves to a standard of ethics & integrity when there's millions of folks we need to take healthcare from?" @RandPaul https://t.co/FnanwvGrXz— #IAimToMisbehave🇺🇸 (@CombatCavScout) February 15, 2017

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @danielx:

    short of video showing Trump fucking a pig, and I’m not sure that would do it.

    Only among Mooslins, and they already hate him, so no harm, no foul.

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    amk says:

    You libtards don’t get it. It’s all part of draining the swamp and winning bigly.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    So Trump let his VP go out there to lie (presumably inadvertently) for a fucking week and a half? Is this some kind of high-stakes fraternity “loyalty ritual” for pledges or something?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Cacti:

    Was Sally Yates fired over the immigration EO, or was that just a ruse to get rid of her because she had the goods on Flynn?

    Yes.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @dmsilev:

    there’s no requirement that the Speaker be a member of the House. It’s always been that way, true, but there’s no actual law or rule requiring it.

    So, theoretically, there could be a Speaker Baud, is that what you’re saying?

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    Jeffro says:

    Hayes: not winning quite as much as we thought, eh?

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’ve always been more of a Listener.

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    SFAW says:

    @lamh36:

    So Joe & Mika ready to let their relationship flag fly

    One of the comments was “looks like an Abercrombie ad for AARP.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SFAW: that’s hilarious.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    So Trump let his VP go out there to lie (presumably inadvertently) for a fucking week and a half? Is this some kind of high-stakes fraternity “loyalty ritual” for pledges or something?

    I don’t know. I watched NBC Nightly News to see what a main stream news outlet was saying. A couple of things. They led with, “What did the President know and when did he know it?” Yes, really. They also made the point that the way this is playing out it looks like Pence is not in the inner circle at the White House. They said that Pence was one of the things that made Congressional Republicans more comfortable with the WH because they felt he would be a check on the craziness. So if Pence is out of the loop he probably isn’t the check on things they thought. And that could in turn make Congressional Republicans more reluctant to cooperate with the administration.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    I’m angry and I mean business.

    Et voilà! There’s your bumper sticker!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Yarrow: I wonder how CBS covered it.

    I don’t trust anything from NBC corporate.

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    Mike J says:

    How will trump leave office? Ladbrokes will take your action on that.

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    Yarrow says:

    @lamh36: Oh….yuck. Orange pants? And what is up with that weird shoulder leaping? Has to be fake. And how old is that photo? He doesn’t look like that anymore, not at least in the clips I’ve seen recently.

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    GregB says:

    CitizenTrump……………Roseneft!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    They [NBC News] led with, “What did the President know and when did he know it?” Yes, really.

    WOW. Wow wow wow.

    Took ’em 5-1/2 years to ask the same about Nixon.

    It’s been fuckin three and a fuckin half fuckin WEEKS, folks.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Yarrow:

    They led with, “What did the President know and when did he know it?” Yes, really.

    So did CBS

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yep. I’m sure they used it because it’s such a well known phrase, but it also carries a lot of meaning. I mean….wow.

    @efgoldman: Interesting….

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @SFAW:

    One of the comments was “looks like an Abercrombie ad for AARP.”

    LOL!!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Yarrow:

    Interesting….

    CBS has been doing Dan Rather’s classic “I don’t know, Mr President, are you a crook” heritage proud.
    They’ve been calling out the whole merry band regularly, without equivocation. They prefer “falshehood” to “lie”. but they clearly mean the same thing, no mistake. .

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    Ruckus says:

    @efgoldman:
    Always like you to take the easy way out.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Yarrow: joe tweeted yesterday evening. Its real

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    Jeffro says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    WOW. Wow wow wow.

    Took ’em 5-1/2 years to ask the same about Nixon.

    It’s been fuckin three and a fuckin half fuckin WEEKS, folks.

    The buyers’ remorse, it can be intense…

    Seriously, though:
    1) Trump’s behavior just since the election, and especially since the inauguration, has been unbelievably horrible
    2) It’s also been that much more real…for some, he was just this reality-show guy who was going to “shake things” up…then he was a horrible PEOTUS, and an even more POTUS
    3) The media and the average American have seen quite clearly that despite the noise they made during the campaign, the GOP MoCs have no intention of reining Trumpov in unless absolutely forced to do so
    4) Despite all of us inside-baseballers here, the average American knew next to nothing about the Russia connections before the election, or even up until very recently.

    This is it, this is everything we’ve hoped for since 11/8: that Trumpov and his gang of goons would finally be revealed for the traitors that they are. We’re getting close. KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!

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    lamh36 says:

    @SFAW: LOL

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    @SiubhanDuinne: This is from Dan Rather’s facebook page:

    The White House has no credibility on this issue. Their spigot of lies – can’t we finally all agree to call them lies – long ago lost them any semblance of credibility. I would also extend that to the Republican Congress, who has excused away the Trump Administration’s assertions for far too long.

    I was struck by the “long ago” and “far too long.” To Rather too, 3 1/2 weeks feels like forever.

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    @Pogonip: Zantigo came back about a decade ago. It’s just in the Twin Cities, though I have no idea what the geographic spread of the first incarnation was, as that’s the only place I ever saw it. I have no idea if the current management is stupid, but the food is still pretty good as far as fast food goes.

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    raven says:

    ATLANTA | More than a week after the Falcons fell victim to the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history, an Atlanta zoo has named a cockroach after Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

    Zoo Atlanta says on its Facebook page that it had a bet with Rhode Island’s Roger Williams Park Zoo that called for the loser to name a baby animal after the winning team’s star quarterback. Both zoos figured the loser would be pretty bitter about the game, so they agreed the animal in question would be a Madagascar hissing cockroach.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Baud:
    She might think that he’s a little sleazy.
    He’s not a little sleazy.
    He’s mega fucking over the top sleazy.
    So even if she’s going in the right direction, she still would have it wrong.

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    amk says:

    Result of having the gnat’s memory disease: A repeat of dumbya’s inept and corrupt regime multiplied x times.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven:

    Hahaha!

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    debbie says:

    @Gravenstone:

    Can we be sure one of his minions wasn’t Tweeting for him?

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    debbie says:

    @raven:

    Great!

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    Ruckus says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Noam Chomsky may be about as far left as one can get but he isn’t an idiot. He understands politics and how shit works, He’d just like it to work a lot farther to the left.

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    Another Scott says:

    In the spirit of women and their allies coming together for love and liberation, we offer A Day Without A Woman. #WomensMarch – Wednesday March 8

    It’ll be interesting to see how well this does, being in the middle of the week.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    lamh36 says:

    @nytmike
    EXCLUSIVE: Trump aides and associates communicated with Russian Intel operatives in year before the election

    https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/831688054326906881

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I’ve been a fan of Rather’s for half a century or more. I thought he was treated abominably over the Dubya “Killian Documents” thing. Recently began following him on Facebook. He’s not right every time — who is? — but I trust him more than I trust most current politicians and “journalists.”

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @lamh36: But EMAILS!

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    Gravenstone says:

    @lamh36: Yeah, just seeing this on Maddow. This is getting uglier and uglier, and the fucking Republicans will try harder and harder to sweep it all under the rug. This is the shit future demonstrations will need to focus on. Force these bastards to do their fucking jobs and investigate!

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    amk says:

    @lamh36: the worst kept secret ever. congrats, nyt.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    two of John McCain’s closest advisors

    John Weaver ‏@ JWGOP 2m2 minutes ago
    Must have special select committee immediately to investigate entire Russian involvement or GOP leaders shirking oath to Constitution.

    Steve Schmidt ‏@ SteveSchmidtSES 22h22 hours ago
    GOP congress has an obligation to investigate this matter . Refusal to do so is a betrayal of their duty and oaths .

    think they still have his phone number, or is this like Trump aides who feel they have to go on TV to get his attention– they have to tweet until Andrea Mitchell or Brian Williams get their weekly fawn on with the would be Great Man

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    Keith P. says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: The NYTimes now has that as their top headline, and Maddow just did the “breaking news” bit. This is getting very interesting very fast. Seems like all the antagonizing Trump has done towards the NYT, WaPo, and CNN is starting to pay dividends.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @zhena gogolia: That would be too good to be true.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Ruckus:

    Always like you to take the easy way out.

    A privilege of age, as you know

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @joel hanes: I have not, but I love Neill’s illustrations!

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    Lizzy L says:

    NYT: doing its job.

    Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials. American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election. The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?emc=edit_na_20170214&nl=breaking-news&nlid=20900995&ref=cta

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    tobie says:

    @lamh36: Well, if the Trump campaign communicated with Russian intelligence a year before the election, I wonder who else did. Seems like Tad Devine should be brought in for some questioning. This election was stolen through the relentless assault from all sides–left, right, FSB and FBI–on the Democratic Party’s candidate.

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    raven says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Seen “Captain Fantastic”?

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    BOMBSHELL

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    efgoldman says:

    @Lizzy L:

    NYT: doing its job.

    Only a fucking year too fucking late.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Dunno.

    Gallup:

    Donald Trump Job Approval by Party Identification, 2017
    Weekly averages from Gallup Daily tracking
    Republicans Independents Democrats
    2017 Feb 6-12 87 35 11
    2017 Jan 30-Feb 5 86 41 8
    2017 Jan 20-29 89 42 13

    As long as those GOP numbers hold up, the Teabaggers in Congress aren’t going to run too far from him.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    TriassicSands says:

    Breaking News at the Times:

    Trump aides and associates made repeated contact with senior Russian officials during the 2016 campaign, current and former U.S. officials told The Times.

    Uh, oh. Tsar Donald the Terrible is getting in deeper and deeper — couldn’t happen to a more miserable human being.

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    Elizabelle says:

    This all breaks my heart for Hillary. If and when Trump and Pence go down, the presidency should not be handed to the GOP. Stolen goods. Poison fruit of a treasonous tree.

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    geg6 says:

    @Elizabelle:

    My John had CBS News on tonight, so I watched to see how they played it. Let me start by saying that I caught the start of the broadcast a few times over the past week and even that small exposure showed that Scott Pelley seems to have no more fucks to give and he called Drumpf a liar multiple times within my hearing over that time. As for tonight, I didn’t check it exactly, but at least the first ten minutes of the show was all about connecting the dots on this entire episode, timeline, videos of previous statements, written quotes, etc. from all the principles here and in Russia. The words “what did the president know and when did he know it” came up early and often. Kind of surreal to see them doing their jobs for once.

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    TriassicSands says:

    Jeebus, both the Times and Post are wall-to-wall Trump incompetence and malfeasance. This maymust be the first administration to have had its first major scandal before it even took office.

    Hey, Donald, are you sick of all the winning yet?

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Sadly, there is no way for justice to be done in this case. Idiots like Tom Friedman are still calling Trump a “legitimate” president.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @efgoldman:

    I just threw the damn thing across the room because of this headline: “Democrats’ Dilemma on Gorsuch: Appease the Base or Honor the Process?”

    Honor the process! Honor the process! They have the nerve to use the words honor the process!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @TriassicSands: Might have been nice if they’d done this last October.

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    Baud says:

    @zhena gogolia: The NYT is garbage.

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    Elizabelle says:

    This might be worth eventually taking to the 8 person Supreme Court. It is worth having a huge Constitutional crisis over. Fake complicit president from a hacked election.

    Clean house. Sweep them out.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @raven: Sorry, went to the gym. But no, haven’t seen it.

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    sukabi says:

    @Yarrow: and that’s a problem? Seems like it’s the absolute least he could do.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Gin & Tonic: it infuriates me that the cool kids were sitting on the Trump allegations while they were masturbating to emails, emails, emails.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Rathers led me to become a telecommunications major long ago. (I switched, for good or ill, to English literature.)

    He hasn’t the stature of Cronkite. No one will say, “If I’ve lost Rathers, I’ve lost America.”

    But Rathers still leaves a pretty big wake.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    This all breaks my heart for Hillary.

    My heart has broken for her in thousands of little shards pretty much every day since last November 8th. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be her, knowing what she knows, watching this shitshow go down and realizing how close we all came to NOT FUCKING HAVING TO HAVE IT HAPPEN.

    Poor Hillary. My belief in karma is strong enough that I think she will, eventually, be vindicated, although it may not look like what we expect or happen when we think it should.

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    geg6 says:

    @TriassicSands:

    Think of it this way, this is how far they had to go to beat her–a complete and utter betrayal of the country and the Constitution. We may or may not live to see it but they will go down in history as some of the most vile creatures to ever crawl on land. I don’t know how things will play out in the short run, but I have no doubt about that. Not just Drumpf, but the entire GOP. And I take comfort in knowing that Hillary knows that, too. She’s a martyr now, a role she would never have chosen but one she has in history nonetheless. She will
    be the protagonist in that history, a tragic heroine. The spontaneous organizing among women, so extraordinary, is proof of that. Find the silver linings where you can. They are there.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Agreed.

    You look at what is going on now with Trump and it’s no surprise. Countless people said he was unfit and unqualified to be president and every day he gets up and proves all over again just how unfit and unqualified he is.

    The cowardly Republicans have all they need to impeach Trump. All they need is a little integrity and a whole lot of spine. Both are absent in the GOP today.

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    sukabi says:

    @Spaniel: flynn may have been one of the subjects of the gods warrants issued in July? to monitor the interactions between drumpf campaign and Russia…but part of what was gathered was the Russian embassy…e should have known NSA was listening, it’s what they do.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    But Rathers still leaves a pretty big wake.

    He does indeed. I always much preferred him to Tom Brokaw — even long before Brokaw became the AARP-babbler he has become — and hope he sticks around a while longer with his “not-working-for-a-network-NMSTG” attitude.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I’m not sure what you mean, but the Supreme Court has no authority to remove a sitting president. That’s up to the House and Senate.

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    jonas says:

    Mike Pence’s full transformation into a Trump Dignity Wraith (h/t Josh Marshall) is complete. He is largely invisible in human form now, flitting about the halls of power as a shade, a shadow given occasional form to the human eye by Trump’s gregarious backslap or handshake or comment about that chick over there obviously being such a fat lesbian or whatever — a tortured, ghoulish soul now subsisting entirely on occasional tweets of affirmation from his overlord and the tears of homeless Planned Parenthood patients.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Elizabelle:

    This all breaks my heart for Hillary. If and when Trump and Pence go down, the presidency should not be handed to the GOP. Stolen goods. Poison fruit of a treasonous tree.

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    My heart has broken for her in thousands of little shards pretty much every day since last November 8th. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be her, knowing what she knows, watching this shitshow go down and realizing how close we all came to NOT FUCKING HAVING TO HAVE IT HAPPEN.

    Poor Hillary. My belief in karma is strong enough that I think she will, eventually, be vindicated, although it may not look like what we expect or happen when we think it should.

    I agree, and while it’s odd, I think I that a variation on a solution I proposed leading up to the EC vote is actually an even better step for the country now.

    Back in the interval between Nov 9 and Dec 19, I proposed that the EC do its duty to avert catastrophe, do the only thing it’s supposed to do – be a check on the election – and vote for HRC. But then, with everything that had happened, Trump winning the EC but losing the PV, the Trumpistas being so rabid, the perception of HRC somehow manipulating this and “stealing” the win (and thus, being unable to govern the country)…I suggested she should take the oath of office and immediately resign. Tim Kaine would be sworn in, and he would nominate any moderate R he chooses (Kasich being a prime example) to be his VP.

    We would have the first national ‘unity’ government in quite some time, and then with some soul-searching (and hopefully a ‘truth & reconciliation commission’ to look at Russian involvement and voter suppression efforts), both major parties would commit to some guiding principles going forward. Boom, take that, Russia! Take that, Tea Party nutcase! Boom – see, you few principled conservatives, we progressives don’t really want to take every last dime of yours or force you to have gay abortions.

    Anyway, the plan still works even now. With Russian interference clearly established, Pence is not any sort of legitimate successor once Donald is forced from office. IN fact, Russia’s actions could be construed as an act of war (for rhetorical purposes). This renders the whole Trump campaign…and short-lived administration…invalid. But again, if HRC were to become president for more than a day, however rightfully she might deserve it, it will unite quite a few on the right with their mouth-breathing Tea Party brethren and keep us in this cycle we’ve been in since 1992. We can say “well tough, lump it, motherfuckers” and in one sense we’d be right. But in practice, we’d get right back into the same old same old back and forth.

    So…take it to the 8/8 Supreme Court, and have them rule that the Trump campaign was essentially an act of war by Russia, and therefore, HRC is duly elected the 45th president of the United States. Trump is reduced to being the footnote, the pawn of Russia that he is – he wouldn’t even get to “keep the number”. Hillary goes down in history as not only the first female president, but the person who chose to step aside of the good of bringing the country together (and she gets to just keep hiking and posing for selfies). Kaine serves a term as the 46th president, almost certainly to be succeeded by yet another moderate Dem. Kasich is also a hero to history for showing that it’s possible to work with those you don’t completely agree with.

    Standing for taking it to SCOTUS? Any given citizen who feels that their 14th amendment rights to equal protection were violated when Russia interfered with our election.

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    Jeffro says:

    @TriassicSands: I disagree – see above. It would be the same as removing an occupying force, and/or removing a barrier to equal protection under the law.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Elizabelle: Great minds and all that – please see #302 above!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Jeffro: I am ready to be in the streets for months to overturn this election, and I would think there are a lot of us. In pink hats or however.

    I don’t like that only men be considered for president. This is HIllary’s seat and Hillary’s win. If she wants to say she’ll only serve until 2020, that would be fine. But she won the popular vote by a healthy margin, and this was an election stolen by Republicans who even now don’t want to put party before country.

    Slow walk the Gorsuch nomination in the meantime.

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    Scott Alloway says:

    @quakerinabasement: Tomorrow.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I don’t like that only men be considered for president. This is HIllary’s seat and Hillary’s win. If she wants to say she’ll only serve until 2020, that would be fine. But she won the popular vote by a healthy margin, and this was an election stolen by Republicans who even now don’t want to put party before country.

    My apologies if my offbeat plan was perceived as being about keeping men in power – I was only being expedient in that Kaine was HRC’s running mate, and then selected the most nationally recognized ‘moderate'(!) R – Kasich – as his VP for the “unity ticket”. I agree with you completely that it should be her presidency and that it was stolen. And yet…here we are…”through the map and off the looking glass” as Adam puts it…and yes, your “only 1 term” solution works well too. My “1 day” solution gets her the technical win and lets her get on with enjoying the life she’s practically already leading. Either would be great (and preferable to what we have now!)

    Slow walk the Gorsuch nomination in the meantime.

    Oh HELL yes…without a doubt!

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    Chris T. says:

    @Captain C:

    It’s amazing how the Party of Personal Responsibility never seems to take responsibility for its own actions.

    You’re misreading their claim. They are not the Party of Personal Responsibility as in “each person is reponsible for his or her own actions”. They’re the Party of Personal Responsibility as in “Obama other handy Democrat is personally responsible for any illegal or unethical action of any Republican.”

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    The Lodger says:

    @Jeffro: The last attempt at a national union government didn’t work out all that well; the president was assassinated less than three months into his term and his successor was the first president to be impeached. Sometimes, the best of plans just go wrong.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Lizzy L: I’m Shocked, Shocked, I am.

    NY Times, from last July:

    DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, essentially urging a foreign adversary to conduct cyberespionage against a former secretary of state.

    “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    […]

    Mr. Trump’s call was another bizarre moment in the mystery of whether Vladimir V. Putin’s government has been seeking to influence the United States’ presidential race.

    At the same news conference, Mr. Trump also appeared to leave the door open to accepting Russia’s annexation of Crimea two years ago — which the United States and its European allies consider an illegal seizure of territory. That seizure, and the continued efforts of Russian-aided insurgents to undermine the government of Ukraine, are the reason that the United States and its allies still have economic sanctions in force against Moscow.

    When asked whether he would recognize Crimea “as Russian territory” and lift the sanctions, Mr. Trump said: “We’ll be looking at that. Yeah, we’ll be looking.”

    Duh!

    Ya suppose Donnie is on some of those taped phone conversations? I mean, who expects that he isn’t….

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    TriassicSands says:

    @Jeffro:

    You may disagree, but I think you’ll find there are only two mechanisms for removing a sitting president — 1) Impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate or 2) Removal via the 25th Amendment (vote of the VP and a majority of the cabinet officers). What you suggest has to be found in the Constitution or its amendments. Search, I don’t think you’ll find it.

    I read your comment above and it is fanciful and there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Supreme Court the right to remove the president in the way you suggest.

    So…take it to the 8/8 Supreme Court, and have them rule that the Trump campaign was essentially an act of war by Russia, and therefore, HRC is duly elected the 45th president of the United States.

    There is no foundation for what you suggest.

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