Major corporations with large market research budgets have decided that it is totally fine to oppose Trump and his policies
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 6, 2017
For forty four and half states, that is the most important thing to think about tonight.
For the other 5.5 states and their diaspora, we’ll process that point in a couple of days.
JPL
This is why we march. Thanks for the update.
James Powell
Is there any way we can get them to share their research with Democratic senators?
Gin & Tonic
Major corporations with *any* budget for accountants long ago learned that a dollar spent by a brown/female/gay person contributes to profit exactly as much as a dollar spent by a straight white man. That ship sailed and is over the horizon, and it ain’t coming back.
japa21
For the perfect example look at Penzeys.
Doug R
More of us than them. The corps have done the math
PVDMichael
What is the significance of “44 1/2 states”?
Librarian
I may be stupid or something, but I have no idea what this post is about.
Dan
Because of this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/?utm_term=.48f3e062ffd9
Martha
@japa21: yes. I love Penzeys.
I must say, I was forced to watch the game with family members who are Trumpsters. They mostly kept quiet, but hated a lot of the ads…soooo political was the whine I kept hearing. F’em. I am playing dutiful daughter this weekend and counting the seconds until I can go home.
JMG
@PVDMichael: I’m guessing that he counts half of Connecticut as New York sports territory. I live in Boston, but I’m not a Patriots fan. I worked here as a sports journalist for 25 years, and you learn very quickly they’re all the same guys who just wear different colored underwear. I think Brady was a chump for not cutting Trump loose way back when, but I am also sure, given the nature of their profession, that’s there’s more than one militia member gun nut wearing NFL uniforms. I will say this. What happened tonight was historic greatness on the grand scale. I can appreciate that for what it is — one of the main reasons to like watching sports.
Omnes Omnibus
@Martha: Hi, Martha! ::waves::
JPL
@JMG: Pretty sure that Brady’s wife wouldn’t admit to being a Trumpet.
JMG
@Martha: So the utterly banal feel good about America ads are “political”? What snowflakes.
David Anderson
@PVDMichael: Half of Connecticut has historically been part of the NY Giants media market. So New England (6 states) minus the western portion of Connecticut is 5.5 states
? Martin
@JMG:
Yeah. The divide between NY and Boston teams cuts pretty cleanly across Connecticut.
Omnes Omnibus
@JPL: I am hoping she went all Lysistrata on him.
Raoul
Didn’t watch the game, only saw part of Gaga and a few ads while we ate dinner at a bar/grill in the CO rockies tonight.
But when we got back to our place, a friend had posed a list of ads he’d seen from big businesses with their broad themes of immigration, respect, etc.
He’s a minister, btw. And one of the first comments on his post was from someone who said their family was complaining about “how disgusting all the superbowl ads are this year.”
So I guess those folks live in the 5.5 states (or their equiv state of mind). Overall, though, I take it as a good sign as Pfeiffer does up top. And yes the ads may have been developed before Nov 9, but we knew the two major tickets and their respective messages for many months before that. Business was already preparing to counter Trump’s unpatriotic, unAmerican messages.
Martha
@Omnes Omnibus: hi there!! Hey, did you know we moved out of the land of the Packers? I’m adjusting to a blue-purple state now, Colorado, and loving it. Husband is wondering why it took us so long. And we both love every single minute we don’t have to hear about Walker.
satby
@JMG: Breitbart is already whining about the 84 Lumber one, based on a link I saw but didn’t click.
ChrisB
If you haven’t done so, you should watch the full unedited 84 Lumber ad. I didn’t get it from the edited ad that was broadcast during the Super Bowl.
ChrisB
@satby: Funny that we wrote about this at the same time. No wonder Breitbart is whining. Watch the full ad.
Martha
@JMG: oh it’s pathetic. They are truly the most insecure people in the world. And small. Makes me nauseous. Snowflakes is exactly right. Kindness and humanity are so….political. Sure.
Steve in the ATL
1. Watched the game with a great group of folks that included two frenchies, two brits, and a Dane, so I’m probably on a watch list now.
2. There were no trump supporters at this party, so huzzah.
3. Fuck the patriots and, just to be safe, the Red Sox and celtics as well. Not concerned about the bruins at the moment.
Omnes Omnibus
@Raoul: Skiing?
@Martha: Yeah, I knew you moved. I was a bit sad that you did so before there was a Madison meetup. Enjoy CO.
? Martin
@JPL: She’s been asked if she and Tom are Trump supporters and she gave a very strong ‘NO!’ to that. She’s also spoken out against Trumps proposed policies.
So while Brady is friends with Trump, I don’t think he’s actually a supporter – or if he is, a fairly quiet one given that his wife is definitely not a supporter.
Steve in the ATL
@Steve in the ATL: also, anyone who watches the super bowl “just for the ads” gets punched.
Doug R
@Martha: It’s the legal weed, ain’t it?
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Shit, you’ve been on one since the Bush years. The Trumpies just dusted it off.
ETA: My condolences. I was cheering for your team.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: i did boo when the ghost of Barbara Bush was rolled out!
Cacti
I was honestly surprised at the amount of shade thrown at Trump in tonight’s ads.
Then again, he lost the popular vote by 3 million. There isn’t an electoral college in marketing research.
Steve in the ATL
@Doug R: BTW, you weren’t kidding about the bridges in Astoria!
Martha
@Doug R: lol, no. The sunshine, though, that’s the real drug. I’m not kidding.
Another Scott
84 Lumber – The Entire Journey (5:44)
Well done.
Cheers,
Scott.
JMG
@? Martin: Brady and Trump doubtless met on the celebrity golf circuit and Trump loves jocks so they hit it off. Gotta remember Brady has spent his whole life in a smaller and less transparent bubble then even Trump has — Brady’s been a superhandsome football superhero since puberty. He’s not dumb, but he’s not very worldly. His wife, the supermodel, has had far more real world experience than he has. All the great athletes are like that. If they were more interested in the rest of life, they wouldn’t spend the time needed to be great.
PS: I thought the message of those ads had nothing to do with Trump. It was big corporations telling people “no matter what happens, your money is good with us.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I was in my car and listening to the radio at that time. But I was speeding, it’s all good.
Doug R
@Steve in the ATL: I love that bridge. Short Circuit, The Goonies and Kindergarden Cop were all filmed in Astoria.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: Saab or polestar Volvo?
Steve in the ATL
@Doug R: north of Ecola park, everything looked pretty dumpy! Seaside was ok, I guess, but was too touristy for my tastes. Did get some good stuff at the Helly Hansen outlet, though.
Also, fuck the patriots.
Cacti
@Doug R:
That bridge is terrifying to drive across. 2 lanes and about 250 ft above the water at the highest point.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I won’t give up the Saab until parts are no longer available – I am a loyal person. If I can, the replacement will be a Polestar.
EBT
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/2/5/14518154/donald-trump-left-his-super-bowl-party-early-as-the-patriots-were-getting-whooped-by-falcons-sad
JMG
Pats tight end Martellus Bennett said after the game he won’t be going to the White House to meet Trump and he doesn’t care what Bob Kraft thinks about that. One reason I wanted the Falcons to win was that I was hoping Matt Ryan would tell the world he had voted for Jill Stein. French-fried minds across the land.
mai naem mobile
I saw the clip of Dolt 45 and Melanoma leaving Mar A Lago for their Super Bowl party. You can clearly see the outline of her white pants under the blue(?) top. Can you imagine the outrage if Michelle OBama had earn something like that. BTW, it wasn’t something I was looking for, it was glaringly obvious.
Omnes Omnibus
@JMG: My mom says Ryan was a big Obama guy. And good for Bennett.
fuckwit
@mai naem mobile: I can’t hate on Melania anymore since it became clear to me she has not only likely been cheated on multiple times with Russian prostitutes, but, based on the personality of her asshole husband, is probably a victim of domestic abuse– at least mental and emotional if not physical.
I am laying odds that Dolt 45, if he doesn’t get impeached or kicks the bucket, will be the first president to get divorced while in office.
Many political wives say “codependent” to me, but Melania just screams it– silently.
Steve in the ATL
It’s painful that Malcolm Mitchell, a Damn Good Dawg, played such a good game for the side of evil.
Cacti
@fuckwit:
The fact she lives full-time away from him now says everything about her real feelings for him.
NotMax
Only in America do people get their panties in a wad over TV ads.
That’s what the fast forward control for.
Omnes Omnibus
I think LM&J may have passed out. I have had bad nights too.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: Do you even watch TV?
amk
another one along these lines.
Wapiti
Re: the 84 Lumber ad. My older brother is in hardware, and he emphasizes that his store is Hispanic-friendly. Mexican cokes in the refrigerator care near checkout, bilingual cashiers, etc. He’s competing with Home Depot and the like, and he wants the crews to come to his store when they need another widget.
Raoul
@Omnes Omnibus: Snowboarding, but (this is controversial), basically same thing!
eta: I’ve become a part-time resident in Summit County, CO. If MN ever gets the equivalent of walker-ized, we might move here permanently (but not before fighting like heck against it!).
fuckwit
@NotMax: Americans get their panties in a wad over almost everything, compared to modern, civilized countries. Here’s a short list:
– “Dirty” words (TV, radio, books, rock lyrics, rap lyrics)
– Nipples (the Ghost of Superbowls past haunts us still) and boobs in general
– Science (climatology, geology, cosmology, genetics, etc.)
– Racial and gender equality
– The role of government in creating an economically level-field society
I would also list immigration, but it appears that many otherwise-civilized countries in Europe in particular lately have been getting their panties wadded over that as bad as we do.
Omnes Omnibus
@Raoul: Have fun. I have no interest in a skier/boarder fight. We both use the same slopes.
fuckwit
@Omnes Omnibus: I thought a truce was called in that battle in the late 1990s. Are there still people fighting that lost cause?
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: your restraint is impressive
Steve in the ATL
@fuckwit:
Yes. Also, the south is gonna rise agin!
Omnes Omnibus
@fuckwit: No, but when I was trying to amend to add that I have skied with boarders since the early ’90s, I got a weird error screen. FYWP.
some guy
https://twitter.com/Budweiser/status/826419338399715329/video/1
wingnut meltdown, Aisle 3.
Raoul
@Omnes Omnibus: I don’t have any interest in a fight either. I skied for 25 years, then switched 21 years ago. Both are fun.
Now, telemark, that’s nuts! (Actually have a telemarking friend who I was out on the mtn with today. I think it’s nuts in the same way I think he’s nuts to run to the top of Pike’s Peak every spring. IOW, I’m lazy).
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Don’t mock the Saab.
Ridnik Chrome
@Doug R: For a second there I thought you were talking about Astoria, Queens. Which for the record does have a couple of film studios. And bridges, too…
Omnes Omnibus
@Raoul: I am afraid to try telemark.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: looks like a lot of work, and I expend most of my energy making pointless posts on BJ.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: You have to master two types of skiing.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: i prefer to let gravity do the work for me. But then I’m a lazy liberal. Republicans telemark by their bootstraps.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: It is not for you.
fuckwit
I have to drop this turd here.
I am fucking fed up with the stupid argument about “legal” immigration being OK, but “illegal” immigration being not OK. It’s a bullshit distinction that means nothing.
If you don’t allow people in, then you’ve made immigration illegal by definition. Thus, you can’t blame people for being “illegal”– your policies made them that way. On purpose.
In the days when my grandparents came here, a flood of uneducated people were allowed to come in here legally from poor-ass, oppressed countries. Those gates are closed now. It’s the worst kind of pulling-up-the-ladder-behind you to whine about how your grandparents or great-grandparents came here “legally” so somehow you’re better than the people risking their lives to get in here now.
And if I have to pull out the big guns, the ultimate truth is: all white people are illegal immigrants. We weren’t allowed in here to begin with, and we fought our way in with guns and ships and smallpox and TB and viral hepatitis. So the whiners can shut their pie-holes with their morally-useless distinctions between “legal” and “illegal” immigration.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Wapiti:
55 year old white male here of Polish, Native American, English, German ancestry. I DIG that 84 Lumber ad! Touching and not unrealistic.
Villago Delenda Est
@JMG: Any depiction of this country as anything but falling apart, burning, anything positive, is a denial of the Dogma of Donald, and must be suppressed. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Train to be miserable.
RobertDSC-Mac Mini
I watched the game with conservative members of my family. They didn’t vote Shitbag 42, but hate Hillary and Obama, subscribe to the latest Fox News and RWNJ info. They were happy for me when the Pats won, but they didn’t take too well to some of the commercials. As much as I hate the association with Shitbag 45, I am just glad the Pats won. What a game, what a win!
? Martin
@JMG:
Trump loves anyone who can make him look better, and hates anyone who makes him look worse. That’s the full extent of friendship with a narcissist.
Omnes Omnibus
@fuckwit: And?
Steve in the ATL
@West of the Rockies (been a while): what is your opinion of when the polish military peaked–1500’s or just after WWI?
Villago Delenda Est
@fuckwit: Good example of this are morans like Joe Arpaio and Tom Tancredo, whose grandparents barely, barely qualified as “white” when they got off the boat.
Villago Delenda Est
@some guy: No, the greatest Superbowl was the Seahawks curb-stomping the Broncos and sexual harassing asshole Peyton Manning. GO SEAHAWKS!
Villago Delenda Est
@Cacti: Try driving over it in a moderate breeze. Yikes!
efgoldman x
@JMG:
Ryan went to B C. He probably didn’t even know there was an election.
hellslittlestangel
@NotMax: Please tell me where I can get a remote that fast forwards through real time.
? Martin
So after the Falcons scored their last point, NE beat them on yards 351-44 for the rest of the game. 351 yards in a quarter and a half. 24-3 first downs.
It didn’t feel that dominant watching it, but damn – that’s 23 minutes of getting your ass kicked hard.
Steve in the ATL
@hellslittlestangel: dude, please don’t make us think about Adam Sandler movies.
Not. Cool.
Steve in the ATL
@? Martin: dude, please don’t make us think about that shitty game.
Not. Cool.
NotMax
Turned on TCM and Citizen Kane on.
One of those movies cannot not watch if stumble across it.
Steve in the ATL
@? Martin: one [expletive deleted] field goal was all we needed….
? Martin
@Steve in the ATL: Yeah, but the one opportunity to get one was a hell of a difficult call to make. Belichick wouldn’t have made that call either.
NotMax
Made a pot of French onion soup tonight. Discovered was out of sherry (horrors!) so substituted brandy. Not bad at all.
Villago Delenda Est
@? Martin: I do not know what the hell happened to the Falcons. Did Professor Quirrell hex them and Snape of course is no longer with us so no one to counter-hex?
Villago Delenda Est
@NotMax: Oh, absolutely. Spoiler alert: it’s a sled!
Villago Delenda Est
@Steve in the ATL: The Uhlans speak for themselves.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Steve in the ATL:
Not quite sure what you’re asking or why. I’ve never been to Poland. My mom’s people came to America from Poland around 1895. Didn’t get much Polish military history in any classes I’ve ever taken.
hellslittlestangel
@Steve in the ATL: Sorry. I’ve never seen one.
Steve in the ATL
@West of the Rockies (been a while): it was a subject of discussion last night. I posited that polish military peaked in the 1500’s, some less knowledgeable folks suggested that it peaked in the post WWI aftermath. I was joking when I made this comment, but I think we can all agree that, militarily speaking, sitting between Germany and Russia is a bad place to be.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Steve in the ATL:
Ah, gotcha. I didn’t check in here last night. Yeah, I sort of had the impression that in terms of military might, Poland is sort of the equivalent of the 70s NO Saints.
? Martin
@Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, I don’t know. I didn’t think they were playing that badly. Getting backed up out of FG range and a turnover. Not good, but, c’mon, that’s a pretty normal bit of bad news for any team in half a game. NEs defense finally figured out what the hell to do, and they turned Brady loose on passing. But NE often benefits from teams running out of gas around the middle of the 3rd quarter. Once they get things to click, it’s short huddles, quick pass plays, and the other team never quite can get their shit together.
But man, that catch by Edelman saved their ass. A bit of karma from the helmet catch coming back to them. Mostly, everything rolled NEs way late in the game. When they won the coin toss for OT, I knew they had it. They were unstoppable at that point.
? Martin
@Villago Delenda Est: Looking at the stats more, it looks like was a matter of changing up the game. James White now has a record 14 receptions in a Super Bowl game – White only had 60 receptions in the regular season. Atlanta was doing a good job of covering Edelman and Amendola and Bennett, so Brady just chose to hit the other guys on the team. Atlanta couldn’t cover everyone. Brady had 196 yards just in the 4th quarter. He figured out where he could complete passes.
James E Powell
@Villago Delenda Est:
Falcons choked. Whoever called pass on 3D & 1 is a moron. The RB stood there and watched Hightower strip sack his QB. With the offense pretty much failing after it went up 28-3, ATL defense just got worn out.
One more first down on their last possession and they’d probably have won.
laura
@Cacti: my husband finished his bike ride from Vancouver to Astoria at the Wet Dog Brewing. He had to get as much speed built up as possible to prepare for the long, long, LONG uphill climb.
I was following in the truck and remember listening to Lou Reed’s Heroin because I needed a distraction and to ramp down the anxiety.
What. A. Bridge.
Jumbo76
Not to be an ass, but all these commercials were approved a long time ago, probably before the election. You know, when we all thought Hillary was going to win. If she were president, the story would be that super bowl commercials reflected the diverse America that brought Hillary into the White House. Done pondering.