Keep ya head up

What bullshit:

Democrats don’t know how long they’ll be able to keep up the pace of protests against President Donald Trump — and they’re worried Trump and his team are counting on them to run out of energy before the White House does.

Two weeks into the Trump administration, party leaders have already reached a frantic, fevered pitch, throwing around talk of constitutional crisis and raising the specter of impeachment.

“The thing that we don’t want to do is anesthetize the public with dozens and dozens of press conferences and marquee events,” said Seattle Mayor Ed Murray. “Then it’ll just become background noise. I’m worried that’s exactly what they’re trying to maneuver us into doing.”

Look, we can do the time. We can keep it up for years. We can keep it up for eight if necessary. And personally, I’m going to love every minute of it. I’m sad that Trump is doing so much damage to people’s lives and to the future of the country, but what can we do except fight back and have as much fun as we can doing it.

I’m tired of hearing about outrage fatigue. Fuck fatigue! Fatigue only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that shit. Cause fours year from now, when Kirsten Gillibrand is kicking it in the White House…

Here’s what’s going on in my local supermarket.

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    dollared says:

    Agreed.

    Ed Murray is the worst kind of neoliberal putz. Totally in the pocket of developers, and then screams NIMBY every time somebody suggests that maybe gentrification is not so good for working people….

    Oh, and constantly trying to cut a deal with the Police union to squeeze out the police accountability process, just to consolidate his anticipated 20 year reign.
    Every mainstream Democrat must be ignored right now. The Warren Wing has got this.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    but what can we do except fight back and have as much fun as we can doing it.

    As Molly Ivins used to say, quoting Emma Goldman, I don’t want to join a revolution that won’t let me dance. That’s why SNL made me so happy last night, not just Melissa McCarthy’s performance, but the way they kept hammering Steve Bannon. I think keeping his name in the conversation both holds a light on what he’s doing, and will get under the orange skin.

    as for protest fatigue, I think Trump will provide more than enough energy to the opposition. I’ll be interested to see if Gorusch gets more attention for his anti-choice views than Roberts and Alito (as I remember it) did. Dave Zirin (sp?) was saying on AM Joy that Planned Parenthood is planning big national marches for next Saturday, but that’s the first I’ve heard of it. I haven’t gotten an email from them in a while, now that I think of it.

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    hueyplong says:

    Everything we read and saw on networks last fall had the effect of tending toward demoralization. The fact that it is continuing isn’t much of a surprise.

    The left is fractured.
    They’re being too strident.
    Both siderism.
    Democrats are ineffective.

    “Worry about fatigue” or “Can they keep this up?” are what gets pulled out when the left/liberals/Democrats actually appears to be united or otherwise doing well. It’s almost a compliment when they play that particular card.

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    Baud says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think Trump will provide more than enough energy to the opposition

    That’s the key. If it were possible for Trump and his Republican allies in Congress to begin behaving like responsible public servants, than protest fatigue might be a real concern if we kept trying to force it. But that, as they say, is unpossible.

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    Yarrow says:

    That’s just bullshit. Total concern troll.

    I did notice over the last few days quite a few comments about taking care of yourself because this very well could go on a long time. The last few weeks have been insane. People do need to take care of themselves or they won’t be able to keep going. Marathon not a sprint.

    Here’s a Google doc list of protests for this weekend. See if there’s one in your area!

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    smintheus says:

    Republicans kept up their intense outrage about everything Obama did or did not do for 8 full years, replete with permanent congressional obstructionism and fear-mongering out their wazzoos. All of that because a centrist and rather innocuous Democrat remained popular while in the White House.

    Trump is already loathed and widely regarded as dangerous. Why would anyone imagine that Americans aren’t capable of standing up to him consistently?

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    Democrats don’t know how long they’ll be able to keep up the pace of protests against President Donald Trump…

    I personally don’t think this will be a problem…

    The Trumptonians will continue to do gallingly nasty shite at breath-taking speed, which will continue to enrage the rest of us… I’m starting to wonder if they intend this to be some sort of political blitzkreig (appropriately) and are hoping we get so overwhelmed we’ll just give in…

    Ain’t happening where I live… I’ve never seen people so angry and engaged…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dollared: Every mainstream Democrat must be ignored right now. The Warren Wing has got this.

    Yes! We must have litmus tests, for a smaller, purer Revolution! Fuck Claire McCaskill. Jon Tester must be primaried! Amy Klobuchar is tepid! Tepid, I say.

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    JMG says:

    Articles such as this one are written by people incapable of standing up to Trump at all. Politico would be perfectly happy covering a dictatorship with lots of gossip-worthy infighting.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    but the way they kept hammering Steve Bannon. I think keeping his name in the conversation both holds a light on what he’s doing, and will get under the orange skin.

    Agree. He also got a Time magazine cover with “The Great Manipulator” caption. It’s going to drive Trump nuts, because he wants all the attention. The worst thing that can happen to Bannon is having the attention focused on him. First it gets people looking at all his evil machinations. But second, and worse for him, it sets him up as manipulating Trump and being the center of attention, which Trump won’t stand for. We need more of it. The SNL portrayal of him as “President Bannon” was great.

    Speaking of SNL, Trump hasn’t tweeted about that yet has he? Did someone hide his phone?

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    Chris says:

    It’s only been two weeks and I’m already sick to death of concern-trolling the liberals. Be it by True Lefties or professional centrists. Or worst of all NeverTrumpist Goopers.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Baud: also, too, a couple people have been saying on twitter that Ryan et al are glad of the Fog of Trump because it distracts from their planned assault on the New Deal. While I agree they’re probably glad of that– not that I think it’s all brilliant strategy on their part, they’re just glad of the distraction– people are going to notice that plan. AARP is already running ads of Trump promising to protect social security and Medicare, and old and middle aged people who might not take to the streets over immigration or choice are sure as hell going to let their reps know what they think of an increase in eligibility age or “reform” of benefits.

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    hueyplong says:

    Giving Bannon all the “credit” for Trump’s excesses probably is the most efficient way of making sure he’s the scapegoat the first time a Trump initiative is well and truly spiked in a humiliating fashion.

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    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: lol I’m just hoping that a more centrist republican can be elected in my district.

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    I do think that the emotional outrage will probably lessen. People need to prepare to demonstrate and resist as a matter of routine.

    ETA: I think Moral Mondays succeed because of their routine nature. What they resist is still outrageous, but their resistance doesn’t depend on emotion.

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    Cacti says:

    The worst thing for Democrats would be if Trump started acting level-headed and responsible.

    As long as he acts like a raging asshole, staying energized shouldn’t be a problem.

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    Yarrow says:

    Remember every day: Dems need 24 seats to win back the House; almost exactly that many Republicans hold districts that voted for Clinton.— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) February 4, 2017

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    Pika says:

    I know exactly which Wegmans that is!

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    dollared says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Depends on what they do. If they want to compromise and “deal” with Trump, then they are a net drag. They divide and delegitimate the people actually trying to present a real choice to the American people. And they give Trump power.

    So far, some have been very solid. Patty Murray, for example, has been very good. Joe Manchin even came around to opposing Betsy DeVos.

    But they are not leading. For leadership, look to Warren. And if you don’t get that, then you are ready for another Iraq Authorization of Force resolution.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Love that woman with her #resist sign. I haven’t seen anything like that in my Southern MD neighborhood but assume that most of us voted against Trump since this is a bluer part of the state. And no, our side should never tire of fighting evil. Just like the other side never tires of hurting people.

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    elm says:

    That seems like a pretty good price for broccoli!

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    SFAW says:

    @hueyplong:

    Giving Bannon all the “credit” for Trump’s excesses probably is the most efficient way of making sure he’s the scapegoat the first time a Trump initiative is well and truly spiked in a humiliating fashion.

    Potential side benefit: if the MSM starts giving a lot more column inches to SlimeMold Bannon than they do to Shitgibbon, Shitgibbon will freak, maybe get rid of SlimeMold.

    Of course, if SlimeMold is one of Vlad’s asshole buddies, Shitgibbon might not be allowed to get rid of him. (I don’t know if SlimeMold is part of that [possible] troika.)

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    @Cacti:

    The worst thing for Democrats would be if Trump started acting level-headed and responsible.

    Please let me state the obvious…

    Level-headed and responsible?

    Simply unpossible and not even worth worrying about…

    I’m more worried that he’ll manage to start WW lll, or at the least, get Japan nuked by N Korea…

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I’ve never seen people so fired up and pissed off in my local area. I believe we can sustain it.

    Question for you peeps who are dialed in with protest organizers like Indivisible: Are you getting subtle and not-so-subtle threats from gun nuts?

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @JMG:

    Politico

    You could have stopped here…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    been saying on twitter that Ryan et al are glad of the Fog of Trump because it distracts from their planned assault on the New Deal. While I agree they’re probably glad of that– not that I think it’s all brilliant strategy on their part, they’re just glad of the distraction– people are going to notice that plan.

    I think I kind of agree with what you’re suggesting here. Their plan will be shown in a bright spotlight because the entire country is looking at every single thing that is happening. I don’t think there is a fog dense enough to hide behind any longer.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Yarrow: Per Matthew Yglesias and a Dkos guy on twitter today, HRC outperformed him in 21 GOP-held congressional districts, and the creature won with less than 50% in another 17

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    Mike in NC says:

    Typical bullshit from Politico.

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    trollhattan says:

    April 15, 2010, the teabaggers kicked off their largely astroturf, media-enabled movement at the state capitol to great hoopla and coverage. They returned twice that year to much decreased crowds and then…bupkis. No do-over the following April 15.

    And yet the House flipped that fall and remains the Republican stronghold, so it worked in the larger picture. January’s Women’s March and rally here were much larger and had little advance notice and no corporate media support. We fail to nurture and grow the movement at our peril. The 2020 census and redistricting will be here soon enough.

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    aimai says:

    Jeebus on toast points, how hard is it for our elected dems to just do their god damned jobs. Is it any harder to show up every day in total opposition than to show up every day and collaborate? No. They should be good and god damned lucky that they have a job which enables them to access hot and cold running water, indoor plumbing, vacations and paper pushing instead of starving to death in a refugee camp. Can we keep up the outrage? You are damned right we can keep up the outrage. I can’t NOT keep up the outrage.

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    hovercraft says:

    @dollared:

    Every mainstream Democrat must be ignored right now. The Warren Wing has got this.

    Excuse me? WTF ?
    Mainstream democrats are the bulk of our party, Kristen Gillebrand is not some radical leftist, EW has been portrayed by the media as some radical leftist who hates big business and the banks, but she is in the mainstream of the democratic party, she just has a bigger megaphone, the right turned her into this eras Nancy Pelosi type bogeyman. Stop this shit, this is one person saying we should keep our powder dry. Wilmer the so-called leader of the progressives, was the first one out there saying we had to work with the Trumperfurer. We do have conservative democrats, because we still do have a big tent, Joe Mancin and Heidi H. are valued members of our party but they are not our leaders, random people urging caution are not the same as the parties leadership, they are entitled to their opinions, and we are entitled to ignore them. The protests have succeeded in showing our actual leadership that we are pissed and not afraid to show it, and that has given them a spin, they are calling him out and resisting. One mayor spouting nonsense does not represent them.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: We need to tie Trump and the Republicans together. Always. They’ll pretend he isn’t/wasn’t a real Republican. Nope. Republicans = Trump. Destroy their brand.

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    Shit. As long as Trump and the Republicans keep doing egregious shit, I’m going to keep calling them out on it. I’m not about to get “fatigued”. This is some serious shit.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @dollared: Politicians don’t lead — they follow. Show me a political movement led by a politician, and I’ll show you either an utter failure or a nascent dictatorship.

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    Chip Daniels says:

    I posted last night about the heat Republicans are getting at their townhalls, from the Republican base.
    We need to take heart from the fact that nobody wants to have Republican policies aimed at them.

    Thats why the GOP is stuck in this endless loop of dithering about the ACA. They know it is popular, and we will win if they fuck with it.

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    debbie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I believe we can sustain it.

    Trump’s mere existence will guarantee that.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Truth.

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    @Thru the Looking Glass…:

    I’m starting to wonder if they intend this to be some sort of political blitzkreig (appropriately) and are hoping we get so overwhelmed we’ll just give in…

    As someone on twitter put so aptly, they’re shitlords, not Machiavelli.

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    dollared says:

    @Davis X. Machina: always not shocked when the BJ Centrists are out in force making sure we don’t recognize that Warren had this right all along.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Baud:

    If it were possible for Trump and his Republican allies in Congress to begin behaving like responsible public servants

    Future President Baud’s got jokes.
    That’s like saying when our current president can hold a rational, informed conversation without stating one falsehood…….. something, something, something.

    Never Gonna Happen.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    of all the heartbreak in the Senate races, the fact that this guy lost by three fucking points, outperforming HRC by 7, may be the worst– though Missouri is Missouri and he might have proved impure from time to time

    Jason Kander ‏@ JasonKander 22m22 minutes ago
    Jason Kander Retweeted Curt Schilling
    Enjoyed watching you play. Better luck next year with the Hall of Fame balloting. That Rule 5 character clause can be a drag, huh?,
    — Curt Schilling @gehrig38
    @ JasonKander what a piece of garbage you are. Pains me to say that about someone that served but man you need an ass whipping

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    skerry says:

    @Patricia Kayden: My daughter and some friends at St. Mary’s College spent time yesterday painting #Resist on plain tote bags to use while shopping. Maybe you’ll see them around.

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    MattF says:

    There’s a media narrative where ‘pussy hats’ are a distraction, protest is useless, they may be thugs, but they have a point, we all have to swallow our anger and make nice… et cetera. It’s all bullshit. ‘Close your eyes and swallow this‘ is not good advice, ever.

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    debbie says:

    I’m not really a Melissa McCarthy fan (and in fact didn’t recognize who it was), but damn she was genius last night on SNL. Kudos for the attention to detail, especially the ill-fitting suit!

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    Keith P. says:

    I want to see an engineer in a bunny suit with a “#photoresist” sign.

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    MattF says:

    I guess I used a bad word in a comment. Please liberate me.

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    aimai says:

    @skerry: Great idea! I will do the same!

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    Another Scott says:

    @Thru the Looking Glass…:

    Ain’t happening where I live… I’ve never seen people so angry and engaged…

    Out on our morning walk today, I saw one of these famous signs in a yard. There are several of Gadsden flag license plates in the area, and while the neighborhood always votes Team D by large margins, one doesn’t usually see much progressive political stuff in yards.

    It’s heartening, and even during the depths of W’s Iraq fiasco, it wasn’t as visible.

    It’s working. We need to keep at it, and I’m sure we will.

    الحقيقة والعدالة والطريقة الأميركية.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    lollipopguild says:

    Repcons are finally in charge and are getting a very Large dose of reality, the real kind of reality not the bullshit reality they and their minions in the press are used to and are so good at creating. Sad!

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    scav says:

    @Pika: Which one? One at Pittsford? I’m not sure I could distinguish it from such a little view, and I may only have been at the other original one they expanded (forget the neighborhood. Northish of 12-corners).

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ugh! So uncivil! Why won’t he reach across the aisle and put himself in Curt’s shoes for even one second?

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    RandomMonster says:

    I see Nancy Pelosi has called for an investigation of Trump’s ties to Russia. Not dancing around it with the “Russian attempts to influence our election” business. It’s “Trump’s ties to Russia”.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @debbie: That bad fitting collar on the shirt and the gap in the jacket had me in stitches.
    Ok, wrong thread for the pun but work with me, will ya?

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    Baud says:

    I wonder if Republicans can sustain their Benghazi witch-hunt.

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    Baud says:

    @hovercraft: I said “unpossible.”

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    socraticsilence says:

    @dollared:

    By contrast Inslee has been a surprising bad ass.

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    @Another Scott:

    It’s working. We need to keep at it, and I’m sure we will.

    I agree… I’ve never seen people so enrages/engaged… last time I did see anything like this, it was the Viet Nam era and even that wasn’t quite so wide-spread…

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: his blood-soaked shoes! Hashtag bloody sock. Has jason kander ever had a cut on his ankle?

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I don’t know if I’d underestimate them quite so much… yes, they’re shit lords AND at least for the moment, they’ve managed to outmaneuver us and seize control of the federal govt… and they’ve been planning this for decades…

    As someone once said about Mafia types, they’re not as smart as they would like to be and they do have a certain dog cunning about them…

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    Skippy-san says:

    I actually think there is some merit in the argument that Bannon is trying to get people so fired up that the public becomes immune to protests-or sinks into apathy. The fight against Trump and Trumpism is going to be a long hard slog.

    I think it is also worthwhile to look at the fight against apartheid as the model. For one thing, Trump supporters are like the Afrikaners supporting the National Party. They are totally dedicated to the rightness of the Trump cause and don’t want to give an inch on white supremacy and minority rule. They will want to brand the opposition as terrorists-and once Trump gets his Reichstag fire, they will start physically attacking and killing protesters.

    Just like with apartheid, protests will not be enough. It will take international pressure, political and economic, as well-and Trump’s adminstration will have to be isolated by the rest of the world community. That is going to be difficult because US is different than S. Africa-but its not impossible. That is what played a big role in bringing down apartheid and it will be necessary to get the attention of the morons.

    As will, and I am hesitant to say it, the background idea that violence can come if Trump supporters start attacking protesters. Just like in Vietnam and with civil rights, the idea in the background becomes a huge motivator in and of itself. I am NOT advocating for violence-let me be clear. But until the Trumpites understand that supporting this moron costs them personally, they will not deviate from supporting him.

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    Mike J says:

    @socraticsilence: I wasn’t really surprised.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @debbie:

    She was hilarious! I loved when she rushed the female reporter with the podium. She did that so well.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @RandomMonster:

    Yesssss!

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    Jeffro says:

    @RandomMonster: The pushback on all sides over trumps interview where he praises Putin and dismissed p’s being a killer is getting quite intense…

    … it is supposed to air sometime during the Super Bowl so you have to wonder if the White House will scramble to try and get Fox to pull it before all of America hears Trump praising Putin

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    randy khan says:

    I’m not worried about energy at all. My wife and I had dinner with two other couples last night and a good chunk of the conversation was devoted to what we need to do going forward.

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    germy says:

    @dollared: Warren endorsed HRC. She had it right.

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    Origuy says:

    I just took a look at a map of Poland and Belarus. The border runs along the Bug River nearly the whole way. What are these Polish troops supposedly doing, swimming?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jeffro: It’s amazing. I want every single elected R to be asked about it for the next month.

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    germy says:

    @Jeffro: Lady Ga Ga will sing a song that will piss off the meat heads, I predict. They’ll also get offended by the Budweiser immigrant commercial; the one where the young German immigrant gets shoved and told to “go back home” before he finally invents the meat heads’ favorite brew.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    more on the House–

    Ronald Brownstein ‏@ RonBrownstein Feb 4
    More
    Trump job approval w/college+ whites = only 38% in @ CNN poll. These are the House R’s that puts at greatest risk.

    Trump w/collar weakness: 48 House R’s are in districts where col+ whites are > ntl avg & HRC beat Obama ’12 margin.

    Trump approve w/col+ wh =38% in CNN poll. 18 House R’s are in districts where col+ whites > ntl average & HRC won

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    Jeffro says:

    @germy: I hope it ruins their super bowl parties, it is the least of what they deserve for supporting this monster

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: see this is the kind of thing that makes me beyond happy … he is so horrible and such a drag on the party that they will have to get rid of him one way or the other and that means instant Republican Civil War

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    Underpaid Propagandist says:

    The Dems damn well better be an opposition party. That’s what they’re paid for.
    And note I’m leaving out “loyal.”
    The US is occupied by an unelected government.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I just don’t think we can take any of those as useful any longer. We have to throw out all the BS and just work, donate or both.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone: I want every single R voter to wear it like a badge of shame for a decade or so

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    WereBear says:

    @Jeffro: I want every single R voter to wear it like a badge of shame for a decade or so

    Not nearly long enough. Since they are still fighting the Civil War, I want TRUMP branded on their forehead.

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    RandomMonster says:

    @Jeffro: Even worse than dismissing P as a killer, he says America is no better!

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    Pika says:

    @scav: Well, here’s to my ongoing 2017 practice of humility and not going off of instinct! Enlarging the photo tells me that I have no idea WTF I am talking about! I thought it was the East Avenue one!

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    Lizzy L says:

    Fuck Politico. Total bullshit indeed. There are millions of us, and we are in it for the long haul.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Corner Stone: I’m not counting chickens– the incumbency bias is still huge, and I think recruiting candidates will be even harder than funding them. And I have no idea where those districts are and what their broader make up is. Just pointing out that there is potential for an upside out there

    ETA: and the Senate map sends me right back to my usual crepe-hanging state of mind.

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    JPL says:

    @Jeffro: It’s suppose to air at four, which is a tad early, imo.

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    JPL says:

    @germy: Audi has a commercial about equal pay for women.

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    Roger Moore says:

    Then it’ll just become background noise.

    We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. But I can’t remember seeing a single case of a country where millions of people regularly protesting was considered to be background noise, so I’m not too worried about it happening here.

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    martian says:

    This seems like a good thread to ask, I want to work up a regular call list for my reps, what are some of y’all doing? Are you, for instance, following alerts from anyone?

    People like MaryG have been really inspiring to me with the way she’s dedicated herself to constantly nipping at Issa’s ass, but all my reps are solid libs. If I call every week, do I become the crank they ignore? Do I call anyway just to add to the volume? My health right now won’t allow for going to demonstrations, but I’ll be there when it does. And I’m giving some thought to picking my spot for the long fight, and it might be voting. Anybody have a favourite org or one you’re already working with?

    I heard gossip on another site from someone with an alleged congressional staffer friend. They said all the Republicans and even some of the Dems think the protest fury will blow over and, so, they’re just turning off their phones and ignoring email until it dies down. Given that burnout is inevitable, I wish there were some organized way to come at this in waves. I think we’ve got enough people total to keep the pressure constant if we’re not all riding the same wave.

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    Jeffro says:

    @JPL: as long as it airs, I’m happy

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    Emma says:

    @dollared: so is she our new Savior, to be discarded as soon as she does something progressives don’t like?

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    mai naem mobile says:

    Was this shit ever said about the Teabaggers who BTW were just astroturf garbage with a healthy dose of racism. This ass hole didn’t even win a majority of the popular vote and is doing all kinds of extreme shit.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think anyone with parents or G-parents receiving or nearing the age to receive Social Security and Medicare will be out in the streets the moment the R’s Fuck with the program. Partly because most people’s only other choice is the old folks moving in with them. That would have been one thing with a big old farmhouse with 7 tiny bedrooms, with with a 2 bedroom townhouse condo being pretty much top end for suburban housing, not quite the same thing at all.

    My Grandma, who was so swell her son-in-law loved her and would have happily had her move in, was bound and determined to never move in with her kids! And never had to, what with her pensions and Social Security and all. Everyone, including me and Mrs J would have been happy to have her move in.

    Not all Grandmas are like that, tho. Or Moms. My MIL was a toxic narcissist, would have moved in with us in a flash, but NOT AN OPTION!

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    Suzanne says:

    I don’t want to shit on anyone’s efforts to organize, but I think that there are a lot of organizers who are overlooking some critical logistical issues, namely timing. I have seen a great deal of justified complaints that white people aren’t showing up at BLM marches. In my city, there hasn’t been a BLM march that wasn’t on a weekday or a late evening, like 8 pm. For those that work or have families, that is usually a dealbreaker. The decentralization is also a problem, because there is this douchebag in the community named Jarrett Maupin who organizes dangerous marches (including blocking FREEWAYS without permits) and is a huge asshole, and he brands some of his events as BLM, while other organizers say that he sucks and not to go to his events, but to go to REAL BLM marches.

    I think that the resistance will and must continue, but only if we get AND KEEP our shit together. Organization is key. There is a lot of positive energy, and not always a place to put it.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @RandomMonster:

    Even worse than dismissing P as a killer, he says America is no better!

    I honestly find it fascinating.

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    CaseyL says:

    My personal strategy is to not participate in every protest, because I just don’t have the time or energy for that. I went to the Women’s March because that was the first massive march out of the gate, so to speak. From now on, generally speaking, I’ll focus on environmental and science issues, like the March for Science planned for Earth Day (April 22). I may or may not go to the one in DC; would prefer to march in Seattle, but so far haven’t heard anything from a local organizing group. (I signed up to volunteer, once we have an organizer.)

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m not counting chickens

    I think that’s a mistake. Waiting until you are sick and need to go to the Dr to find out how many chickens you have for payment is super freaking risky for your long term recovery and health needs.

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    Mj_Oregon says:

    Yesterday, Senator Ron Wyden held a town hall in blood red Linn County, Oregon where Hillary lost by 26 points. They had over 1500 people in attendance with the vast majority being extremely supportive of Wyden’s performance in the past few weeks. There were even calls for impeachment from the crowd. Albany had never seen such a huge crowd for a senator’s town hall even in the middle of the tea party madness in 2009-2010. I know because I’ve attended more than a few of them in the past 10 years, but unfortunately couldn’t go to the one yesterday. I am so encouraged by the crowds that are attending all of the town halls here in Oregon where our senators are being told to stand strong against this “administration” and its edicts. If 1500 people can show up to a town hall in support of one of the more liberal senators in this deeply Republican county, I know we can sustain the protests indefinitely.

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    Central Planning says:

    @scav: I was going to guess Pittsford, but I’m not sure that’s right – there should be a right turn a little behind that woman to get to the pharmacy.

    I think you’re thinking of the East Avenue Wegmans which is a little past 12 Corners.

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    JPL says:

    John should sell t-shirts with Steve’s picture on them and the word RESIST under.

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    HeleninEire says:

    It will last. Went for my run on the Quay today. There was a lone protester in front of the Central Bank with a sign that said “Jail all the bankers.” Then I saw a sign for a rally to “repeal the 8th.” That’s the “life begins at conception” amendment to the Irish constitution. Passed in 1983. Keep steady. Keep strong. Ironically, birth control is widely available here. Even “plan B” as they call it in America. Here it is called EllaOne. Available in any pharmacy over the counter for a government set price of 35 Euros. If you have a medical card 2.50 Euros. They are WAY ahead of America on this stuff.

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    Brachiator says:

    I’m tired of hearing about outrage fatigue. Fuck fatigue!

    Jebus! There are ignorant racist fucks who nurtured their Obama hate for both his terms, holding onto the bullshit that the Kenyan Usurper was not the legitimate president.

    And what about the asswipes who stewed in Clinton hate for 25 years.

    I still wake up and wonder first thing, how did that ignorant muthafucker Trump get elected president.

    Hulk, muthafuckers.

    Steve Rogers: Doctor Banner, now might be a good time for you to get angry.
    Bruce Banner: That’s my secret, Captain: I’m always angry.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Corner Stone: Well, it’s true. Don’t you recall when Obama had Sean Hannity poisoned?

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    debbie says:

    @Corner Stone:

    If nothing else, it shows his total obliviousness to how his words might be taken.

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    I have never heard of this person before but fuck him and his tedious concern trolling.

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    JPL says:

    @Brachiator: I still wake up afraid that President Bannon has ordered Trump to announce the invasion of a country, by way of tweet.

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    janeform says:

    @Yarrow: Yarrow, you asked the other day if local organizers hired by the DNC will be from their communities or from outside. I couldn’t ask the question at the Detroit DNC Future Forum yesterday, but, the Chair of the Michigan Democratic Party says that in Michigan they will be local people.

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    pamelabrown53 says:

    @dollared: #39.

    Whatcho talking about, Willis? “BJ centrists”. Elizabeth Warren has contributed much to the democratic party and I imagine she’ll continue. However, this tendency to imbue a single person with the mark of slavish cultism echoes right wing authoritarianism with counterproductive divisiveness. Comments like yours is why I don’t ant you in mu foxhole.

    Speaking to the larger post, I’m not concerned about keeping up the protests. More likely, the other side will tire of having to defend his ever escalating offensive assault on our constitution. For every person who experiences burn-out, there will be multiple folks to take their place as more and more Americans relate and apprehend the damage he’s inflicting at home and in the world.

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    Thru the Looking Glass... says:

    @Mj_Oregon: Same thing happened yesterday in Roseville, a Sacramento suburb, at a town hall held by Tom McClintock (R) in California’s 4th Congressional district.

    Very, very red territory… large, raucous crowd… McClintock ended the town hall early and was escorted by the police from the theater hosting the event…

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    JMG says:

    If people have some expertise in a particular issue, like health care, the environment, some element of foreign relations, etc., they would do well to focus on the protests/lobbying/phone calling related to that issue, as they will be better spokespeople than a layperson such as myself.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Skippy-san:

    I actually think there is some merit in the argument that Bannon is trying to get people so fired up that the public becomes immune to protests-or sinks into apathy.

    Some people always want to ascribe magical powers to Republican strategists. Bannon is some mystical Prince of Darkness. Karl Rove was a mastermind who the Democrats could never hope to defeat.

    Trump’s election was a narrow margin fluke. And people are reacting to real failures in this administration. Folks need to keep up the pressure.

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    Adam Silverman’s friend, Tom Nichols is concern-trolling with an almost identical POV in the WashPost.

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    NoraLenderbee says:

    @Mj_Oregon: Bad link. Try this:

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    Svensker says:

    @germy:

    They’ll also get offended by the Budweiser immigrant commercial;

    They’re already shitting briques. MY RWNJ cousins on FB are livid.

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    “They will know, and they will never trust you again.”

    And so with the centrist Democratic officials. The Democrats have been losing since they received a crushing defeat from Reagan back in1980. Moderate Democratic elected officials, like Murray just want the normal business of politics: policy negotiation and the business of governance. They went along and got along. But it was unequal; the Democrats gave ground and kept giving ground, until they were reduced to a few strongholds, and now they have lost everything. They’re still trying, too. We have Democratic Senators voting to approve Trump’s awful Cabinet appointees. Not going to work; they will get no concessions.

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    Percysowner says:

    Well the Trump supporters are fighting back with a counter protest. In Portland a whole dozen of them showed up. New York City really showed the strength of the movement with a whole 150 (if we’re being generous) protestors.

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    germy says:

    Great comment over at LGM:

    LosGatosCA says:
    February 5, 2017 at 11:24 am

    The motion was always there – [Trump] just jumped on it and rode it to see where it would take him.

    Trump simply exploited the opportunity he saw. I’ve said since last March that Trump is actually the Howard Stern of politics:

    1. He knows his audience
    2. He knows what they want
    3. He knows how to deliver what they want

    But he didn’t create the audience and he didn’t create their needs/wants for political incorrectness, bullying, and willful ignorance.

    He’s like a comedian that tried out new material (birtherism) and just kept expanding the material until he finally got a gig on HBO from Carnegie Hall which the critics all hated but ended up with a four year comedy series.

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    hovercraft says:

    @RandomMonster:
    Which is great, the democrats should keep the pressure up, they must repeat that he has deep ties to Russia in every TV appearance, brand him as Putin’s lap dog. The GOP will resist, but that too can be a boon to the good guys. As @Baud: points out, Chafetz has said that there is still more to investigate there, we need to know what happened in Benghazi!

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    🚸 Martin says:

    I was worried about fatigue, but am less so now. In the past this felt like an effort by the engaged few on behalf of a large apathetic democratic base, but a LOT of this is being driven by people that were not previously engaged, that are out there doing this for the first time. I have one group of acquaintances that never did a single political activity that are now at our reps office every single day. I can casually ask almost anyone I know ‘are you participating in x’ random political event and they know what I’m talking about. Trump and Congress are doing a pretty good job of keeping everyone engaged. Maybe the courts will slow that down, and I trust Congress will settle down, but Trump won’t. And at some point here, if Congress does slow down on repealing Obamacare, we may see the tea party folks re-emerge and start giving them shit.

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    germy says:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Tom Nichols is concern-trolling with an almost identical POV in the WashPost.

    It’s almost like these memes get launched in RW thinktanks…

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    @germy: Some BS curious folks were floating the same shit here in the comment section, with stuff like game theory thrown in, last week.

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    Seth Owen says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I see Curt is staying classy.

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    hovercraft says:

    @WereBear:
    This.
    The Trumpenfuror must become the GOPs brand. There is no divorcing themselves from him, they ALL voted for him, they are ALL supporting his nominees, they OWN him. This is not a temporary thing, the Tea Party eat them, they became the Tea Party, the moderates are in lock step with him, they ARE HIM!! To shed this identity they will need to stop being crazy, they don’t get to suddenly say that they are not with him when they vote with him despite any protestations, this is our job, fuck the media and their both sides bullshit, get people tp see that it’s the entire party that is now batshit crazy, on top of which they all want to take your healthcare away, empower Wall Street to bankrupt us again, and take away all our environmental protections, while slashing our wages and retirement accounts. They are ALL evil, because they are ALL participating in this rape and pillage of our country.

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    Brachiator says:

    @dollared:

    always not shocked when the BJ Centrists are out in force making sure we don’t recognize that Warren had this right all along.

    This kind of shit is tiresome. What, are you more left, and so supposedly more correct? Whup di goddam doo.

    Trump is the adversary. The rest is bullshit.

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    Brachiator says:

    @JPL:

    I still wake up afraid that President Bannon has ordered Trump to announce the invasion of a country, by way of tweet.

    What they actually have done is bad enough.

    And I’m not even sure where this stuff about Bannon as Trump’s Rasputin has come from. Before the election, some were pushing for Pence as the power behind the throne. I really don’t care. All of them must go.

    In my ideal world, we get a replay of Nixon/Agnew. Some scandal results in Pence having to resign, and then Trump is impeached.

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    Seth Owen says:

    We are what, two weeks in and there are people worried about ‘protest fatigue!?’

    For the love of God. Did MLK Jr. worry about protest fatigue? Did the Civil Rights Act or VRA drop out of the sky in a week? Did the abolitionists worry about protest fatigue? How about Nelson Mandela? Did Sam Adams, John Hancock or Thomas Paine act as if everything would get better overnight?

    Look, this problem has been developing for a long time. Trump just brought the crisis to a head. Anybody who thinks things are going to ‘go back to normal’ anytime soon really have another think coming. This will be hard. This will be long. People are going to get hurt. This is literally as serious as a heart attack. This is likely to be the biggest crisis in American history in my lifetime, and I lived through Civil Rights, Vietnam and Nixon.

    I don’t want to hear about protest fatigue. I have no doubt there will be fresh outrages enough to keep us going. Bannon and his ilk didn’t get this close without being ruthless pricks. They can’t stop now. All they have going for them is momentum. This is why they are pushing so hard, so fast. They know their shit is weak and unpopular and can’t win a legitimate contest.

    If you, personally, need to take a break, do so. I’m not planning on going to every protest, argue with every Trumpkin I run across, write to my representatives on every single issue. I’ll pick and choose. Others will pick up the slack on the days I can’t, just as I will pick up the slack for them.

    Fight.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    Because it can’t be said enough before people start to internalize this.

    When the German engineering company Siemens Energy opened a gas turbine production plant in Charlotte, N.C., some 10,000 people showed up at a job fair for 800 positions. But fewer than 15 percent of the applicants were able to pass a reading, writing and math screening test geared toward a ninth-grade education.

    “In our factories, there’s a computer about every 20 or 30 feet,” said Eric Spiegel, who recently retired as president and chief executive of Siemens U.S.A. “People on the plant floor need to be much more skilled than they were in the past. There are no jobs for high school graduates at Siemens today.”

    Ditto at John Deere dealerships, which repair million-dollar farming machinery filled with several dozen computers. Fixing tractors and grain harvesters now requires advanced math and comprehension skills and the ability to solve problems on the fly. “The toolbox is now a computer,” said Andy Winnett, who directs the company’s agricultural program at Walla Walla Community College in Washington.

    These are the types of good-paying jobs that President Trump, blaming trade deals for the decline in manufacturing, has promised to bring back to working-class communities. But according to a study by Ball State University, nearly nine in 10 jobs that disappeared since 2000 were lost to automation in the decades-long march to an information-driven economy, not to workers in other countries.

    Bitching about TPP doesn’t do a goddamn thing about this problem. Improving high school eduction might – a bit. Getting the public to not look down so much on 2 year trade schools would help (would also help if they weren’t for-profit scams most of the time) but at some point this country needs to see this problem head-on, and it’s clear from this last election that we aren’t.

    This story is from 10 years ago:

    MORGANTOWN, W.VA. — When Joshua Hoffman’s parents, a computer scientist and law-enforcement officer, sent their son to the University of Missouri at Rolla (UMR), a coal mine was probably the last place they imagined higher education taking their son.

    That’s also where the coal jobs went – to people with degrees because the job changed that much. Are we going to see an increase in education funding and an expansion of college seats? Under Clinton or Sanders we would have, but not under Trump. We’ll see a decline under Trump. This will get worse, not better. If we can’t hire H1Bs to do some of these jobs, then you’ll see the industry simply leave.

    There’s another catch, and it’s one that politicians don’t like to talk about: China has many more skilled engineers than the United States does.
    Steve Jobs, Apple’s late CEO, brought the issue up during an October 2010 meeting with President Obama. He called America’s lackluster education system an obstacle for Apple, which needed 30,000 industrial engineers to support its on-site factory workers.
    “You can’t find that many in America to hire,” Jobs told the president, according to his biographer, Walter Isaacson. “If you could educate these engineers, we could move more manufacturing plants here.”

    Have we added any industrial engineering programs in the US in the last 10 years? Nope.

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    hovercraft says:

    @CaseyL:
    Exactly, focus on your area of concern/expirience and or passion. No one has the time or energy to do every one, but we all have time to do some of them. BLM and opposing DeVos are top of my list, saving Obamacare I suspect will bring out a lot more people than the R’s expect when they get around to trying to repeal it, much like the attempt to give away National Parks, sparked such a vicious backlash that they backed off, protests work. I care about a many things, but I can’t get out for everything, the Planned Parenthood protests this week I hope are huge, and I hope to get out for that locally. Local and regional protests are just as effective as the big ones in DC, it scares them when they see this happening in their own backyards.

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    aimai says:

    @🚸 Martin: We could easily import 30,000 skilled engineers who wanted to immigrate here–they would have taken advantage of their excellent educational systems at home, just as our foreign doctors do. There is more than one way to skin a cat. But red state americans who won’t pay for good public education and don’t value higher education are simply not going to get those jobs.

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    D58826 says:

    OT but Das Fuhrer is off the golfcourse and back on twitter

    Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!

    Why not just paint a target on the judge’s back. Sounds like incitement to me

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    Joyce H says:

    @Corner Stone:

    @RandomMonster:

    Even worse than dismissing P as a killer, he says America is no better!

    I honestly find it fascinating.

    Oh, me too! Because he wasn’t denying Putin is a killer, he was shrugging it off, almost saying “Isn’t everybody?”

    Man, it REALLY makes me start to wonder! When a husband or boyfriend says, “All men cheat”, you know they’re a cheater. When your boss tells you that “everyone bribes the building inspector”, you know he’s bribing the building inspector. So when Trump as good as says that “everyone’s a killer”…. Dang.

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    Bex says:

    @JPL: A Steve t-shirt that says RESIST? I’ll be first in line to order.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @D58826: If something happens blame him and court system.

    there ya go, that’s what it’s all about. As wild-eyed leftist Dan Drezner said yesterday, they are hoping for an attack.

    @pamelabrown53: However, this tendency to imbue a single person with the mark of slavish cultism echoes right wing authoritarianism with counterproductive divisiveness.

    Yeah, that need to invest emotionally in heroes and villains– traitorous “centrists!”– may be the most tiresome thing about emo-progs.

    @Raven Onthill: that’s some stupid fucking gibberish, even considering the source

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    D58826 says:

    @🚸 Martin: I had added this to an earlier threat but seemes relevent. A commentor added that Boeing’s experience hasn’t been all that positive on the 787 program, what with overseas vendors not performing up to spec. Thery are finding that ‘if you want it done right the first time do it yourself’

    A major part of his appeal, especially to the WWC, involved trade deals and loss of good paying manufacturing jobs. Both of these topics have been debated here repeated.

    The 800 lb gorilla on the subject is you can’t go back to the 1950’s. Those jobs, for a number of reasons, are as dead and gone as the doodoo bird.
    I don’t have the link but I saw an article the other day that there are 10’s of thousands of good paying manufacturing jobs going begging because the people applying for them do not have the math/reading skills to work on a 21st century factory floor. Some companies are staring their own apprentice programs or linking up with the local community colleges to close the gap.

    It’s the same with international trade. We can walk away from TPP, repeal NAFTA, and Britain can leave the EU but we live in a global market/supply chain world and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. Just one example is Boeing’s global supply chain for the 787 dreamliner as described in this article:

    Boeing is one of the most iconic American brands. It’s a symbol of American manufacturing. And orders for Boeing’s aircraft frequently move the monthly U.S. economic data.
    But most people don’t realize that most of Boeing’s airplane parts come from external vendors from all over the world

    http://www.businessinsider.com…..ers-2013-1

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    Joyce H says:

    @D58826:

    OT but Das Fuhrer is off the golfcourse and back on twitter

    Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!

    Why not just paint a target on the judge’s back. Sounds like incitement to me

    He talks like what’s happened is that they’re now just waving in anyone who wants to come. This is just a return to the normal procedures and wide open borders is NOT the normal procedure.

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    randy khan says:

    Has anyone else noticed RWNJs continuing to push their “Hillary is history’s greatest monster” arguments? I just encountered someone who thought it was clever to bring up both the Clinton Foundation and Benghazi! on Facebook. (This same guy has been telling “libs” to get over the election.)

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    randy khan says:

    @D58826:

    I’m surprised he hasn’t gone after the 9th Circuit yet.

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    JPL says:

    @Bex: I wish he would, because the money would go for a good cause, and I’d wear it with pride.

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    JPL says:

    @Joyce H: Reichstag, although twitter said he could referring to the Bowling Green incident.

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    Aleta says:

    @Joyce H: Between his history and his moral disorders, at the least he has all the ingredients.

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    Jeffro says:

    My how the Right is always, ALWAYS so full of fear…

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    scav says:

    @Joyce H: He’s jist trying to preeserve ‘Mercan jobs for ‘merkan men, traditional red-blooded manly jobs that ‘mekans do best. all those ferriners, coming in here and stealing ‘merkan murders and mass killings. Damn all, “You think our country’s so innocent?” Damn Straight! We can and will kill our own! This’ll be a protected game preserve for NRA-approved all-merkan shootings by traditional merkan means by traditional ‘merkan Waspms, the way the founding fathers wanted it. Don’t need to fancy-smanshy high-school reading and riting education for this all-mercan job!

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    Pelae says:

    @Joyce H: honestly white people. They don’t hand our visas like paper towels in the bathroom. And they never have.

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    LibraryGuy says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, better the theoretical progressive Democrat we won’t get into office then the ones that are already there and can be pushed!

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    D58826 says:

    @randy khan: Your assuming that he knows the difference between the district level judge and the appellate division. He was complaining yesterday that DOJ wasn’t filing the appeal in Boston.

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    debbie says:

    John Kasich is having none of this Putin bullshit:

    @ John Kasich:

    America has been a beacon of light and freedom. There is no equivalence with the brutal regime of Vladimir Putin.

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    p.a. says:

    @D58826: ‘manufacturing’ (as defined by ?) IIRC is now a smaller part of GDP than 30-50 years ago NOT because manu work has collapsed but because the ‘non manufacturing’ parts of the economy- service, financial, etc has grown at a faster rate. Manufacturing contributes approx the same inflation adjusted dollar value to GDP as previously. Manu job numbers have collapsed because of automation and offshoring, but mostly from automation. Any improvement thru industrial policy would be marginal.

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    geg6 says:

    @debbie:

    You know, I despise that guy, but I don’t consider him un-American. He does seem to have a true love of country. He stands out because so many in his party have none.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @Betty Cracker: Betty – Im with Indivisible Iowa in the south central part of the state, my son with II in NE Iowa. No threats, veiled or otherwise, so far.

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    David Spikes says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: OT but gotta vent.
    Just saw Wilmer on CNN-I normally am pretty reasonable and let things go, but jeebus I hate that guy.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @Brachiator: I remember those good old days.

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    hovercraft says:

    @D58826:

    OT but Das Fuhrer is off the golfcourse and back on twitter

    Wait what? I thought that he was elected to not be like the evil naif Obama who spent all his time apologizing for America when he wasn’t out on the golf course sucking up precious tax payer monies on SS protection for him and his wife. Now here he is not only apologizing for America via Obama being such a weak and terrible president, he’s saying that we are guilty of murdering people, he’s playing golf, and his son is racking up huge hotel expenses on his SS while he travels on behalf of the family coffers. Where is the change, they demanded, and why aren’t his fans up in arms? What’s that, he’s white, oh never mind.

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    D58826 says:

    @p.a.: That’s why I said the problems of the WWC and ‘decline’ of manufacturing jobs had many causes. The problem isn’t going to be solved by Trump yelling at Carrier. And even that only saved half the jobs at the cost to the taxpayers of a multi-million dollar handout. And just to rub it in Carrier is going to use that money to enhance their automated facilities with the result that more people will be laid off. As my Mother used to say that that is S+t on the taxpayer and then rubbing it in.

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    dww44 says:

    @Mj_Oregon: I’m sorta gobsmacked by this:

    Yesterday, Senator Ron Wyden held a town hall in blood red Linn County, Oregon where Hillary lost by 26 points. They had over 1500 people in attendance with the vast majority being extremely supportive of Wyden’s performance in the past few weeks. There were even calls for impeachment from the crowd.

    So, were these attendees Hillary voters or Trump voters? How did the county vote in 2012 and 2008?

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @D58826: Something similar with GE a few years ago.

    So much has changed that GE executives came to believe the GeoSpring could be made profitably at Appliance Park without increasing the price of the water heater. “First we said, ‘Let’s just bring it back here and build the exact same thing,’ ” says Kevin Nolan, the vice president of technology for GE Appliances.
    But a problem soon became apparent. GE hadn’t made a water heater in the United States in decades. In all the recent years the company had been tucking water heaters into American garages and basements, it had lost track of how to actually make them.
    The GeoSpring in particular, Nolan says, has “a lot of copper tubing in the top.” Assembly-line workers “have to route the tubes, and they have to braze them—weld them—to seal the joints. How that tubing is designed really affects how hard or easy it is to solder the joints. And how hard or easy it is to do the soldering affects the quality, of course. And the quality of those welds is literally the quality of the hot-water heater.” Although the GeoSpring had been conceived, designed, marketed, and managed from Louisville, it was made in China, and, Nolan says, “We really had zero communications into the assembly line there.”
    To get ready to make the GeoSpring at Appliance Park, in January 2010 GE set up a space on the factory floor of Building 2 to design the new assembly line. No products had been manufactured in Building 2 since 1998. An old GE range assembly line still stood there; after a feud with union workers, that line had been shut down so abruptly that the GeoSpring team found finished oven doors still hanging from conveyors 30 feet overhead. The GeoSpring project had a more collegial tone. The “big room” had design engineers assigned to it, but also manufacturing engineers, line workers, staff from marketing and sales—no management-labor friction, just a group of people with different perspectives, tackling a crucial problem.
    “We got the water heater into the room, and the first thing [the group] said to us was ‘This is just a mess,’ ” Nolan recalls. Not the product, but the design. “In terms of manufacturability, it was terrible.”
    The GeoSpring suffered from an advanced-technology version of “IKEA Syndrome.” It was so hard to assemble that no one in the big room wanted to make it. Instead they redesigned it. The team eliminated 1 out of every 5 parts. It cut the cost of the materials by 25 percent. It eliminated the tangle of tubing that couldn’t be easily welded. By considering the workers who would have to put the water heater together—in fact, by having those workers right at the table, looking at the design as it was drawn—the team cut the work hours necessary to assemble the water heater from 10 hours in China to two hours in Louisville.
    In the end, says Nolan, not one part was the same.
    So a funny thing happened to the GeoSpring on the way from the cheap Chinese factory to the expensive Kentucky factory: The material cost went down. The labor required to make it went down. The quality went up. Even the energy efficiency went up.

    There’s a lot of variables at play here. Loss of talent here in the US at the lower levels, products becoming more advanced and therefore playing back into the hands of US engineering, etc. But the message is to not blame the trade deals for this – blame the strategic planning in the US. That’s the thing China does that is killing us. In order to attract manufacturing to China, they built a port that is vastly more modern than anything in the US – both for air and ship freight, highly automated, streamlined customs, etc. Chinese universities are coming to us with cash in hand to build programs within their country. US universities are expanding educational programs inside China because China is willing to pay for them, but the US will not put forward grant money to do it. We have programs with the Chinese government to educate their students in key engineering disciplines. Their government gives us a certain number of full ride fellowships in those disciplines that we can fill with Chinese nationals. We won’t do that here. China is just handing us money to train their future workers, and handing us money to build their future universities so they won’t need to come to us any longer.

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    Kenneth Kohl says:

    @Pika: our Wegmans on Sheridan Drive was a bit more sedate today

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    D58826 says:

    @hovercraft: And we also pay for Melania to continue living in NY and it taking two planes to get the family to Fla. Don’t understand why she could not have flown into JBA and then boarded AF1 for the rest of the trip.

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    dww44 says:

    @JPL: I’d buy a couple as well.

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    CaseyL says:

    @dww44: I’d love to know what the turnout was in Linn County. Did the Fingerpuppet win by 26 points because of low turnout? If so, the people showing up at the town hall could be folks who didn’t vote and are now, as they say, “woke.”

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    trollhattan says:

    @D58826:
    That’s what little people do.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @🚸 Martin: Oh, and there’s this bit also:

    Time-to-market has also improved, greatly. It used to take five weeks to get the GeoSpring water heaters from the factory to U.S. retailers—four weeks on the boat from China and one week dockside to clear customs. Today, the water heaters—and the dishwashers and refrigerators—move straight from the manufacturing buildings to Appliance Park’s warehouse out back, from which they can be delivered to Lowe’s and Home Depot. Total time from factory to warehouse: 30 minutes.

    One week to clear customs? Why? Amazon can get you any product they carry within 48 hours. I got something from them that came from the neighboring state 5 hours after I ordered it. A week is a lifetime now in supply chains.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @CaseyL: What the tea party taught us is that you don’t need a majority of voters to show up at the town hall, just the loudest 2% that opposed the individual. I don’t care how lopsided your victory was, there’s enough people in your district who voted against you to shut down your event. The only question is whether they are pissed off enough to show up or not.

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    I’m just back from our local protest against the ban and the wall. The organizers said there were between 1800 and 2K people there. The Patriots for Christ demonstrated across the street but the cops kept us apart and the organizers kept urging us not to engage. It’s February in Iowa, so they had the permit for only an hour. My toes are still numb.

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    Ruckus says:

    @J R in WV:
    My problem is not worrying about parents/grandparents needing a place to stay, they now have no need for running water, etc. Mine is worrying about who/where do I get to live if it all turns to shit. Most of my friends are in the same boat for the same reasons.

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    Yarrow says:

    @janeform: Thank you for asking and for posting what you found out! I hope Kay sees your response.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @🚸 Martin:

    I was worried about fatigue, but am less so now. In the past this felt like an effort by the engaged few on behalf of a large apathetic democratic base, but a LOT of this is being driven by people that were not previously engaged, that are out there doing this for the first time.

    Exactly this. I had the same worries early on (by which I mean, perhaps, two weeks ago) but now am certain that the engagement and momentum are there for the long haul.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @martian: Try 5calls.org

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    debbie says:

    @geg6:

    Now that his political career is over, he’s standing on principle. Better late than never, I guess.

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    randy khan says:

    @D58826:

    That’s a fair point – I shouldn’t assume he knows anything, despite all the time he’s spent in court.

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    Another Scott says:

    @🚸 Martin:

    Have we added any industrial engineering programs in the US in the last 10 years? Nope.

    Why shouldn’t supply and demand work for wages?

    Maybe there really isn’t demand for new IE grads at a wage that HS graduates are willing to accept when it is time to choose a field?

    Puckermob has a bunch of numbers for various occupations. IEs are listed as 8th in starting salary. “Industrial Technology” which I take to be an AA degree, only starts at $10k less than a 4 year IE degree. Why would someone spend the extra money to get the 4 year degree? Why wouldn’t they pick another degree all together?

    America is a big country and people can and do move across the country when there are good opportunities. My step-mom went to a small women’s-only college in Mississippi. She was recruited at the college and trained by Boeing in Seattle to do computer programming. In the 1960s.

    If companies really need people, they will raise their wages to encourage them to enter those lucrative degree programs, and they will train recent graduates and people laid off from related fiedls to do the work that needs to be done. If they continue to whine that they can’t find someone to start being productively instantly on taking the job while refusing to pay what the market demands, then they’ll continue to show that they’re not being serious.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    ellie says:

    @David Spikes: Who is Wilmer?

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    Shana says:

    @Bex: What I want is a Pogo shirt with “We have met the enemy and it is us” on it.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: So glad you could do this. My sister (who lives there, but couldn’t attend) said it was a much bigger crowd than anticipated. I’m having health challenges at the moment, would have been at the event in Iowa City otherwise. I’ve signed up for the Planned Parenthood event here in my city later this month – fingers crossed that I can do it! Again, thanks for doing this.

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    Another Scott says:

    @ellie: A certain 70 year old white haired guy from a small state who likes to yell and point a lot.

    We have been using that term to foil certain trolls that seem to show up when his name is mentioned (apparetly as the result of a “google alert” notification).

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @Smiling Mortician: Exactly what I was about to post – great website!

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    Corner Stone says:

    Bernie Sanders.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Feel the Bern. It’s Bern. Bernie Sanders.

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    @The Fat Kate Middleton: At one point, a drone flew overhead. I’ve never seen one before. I don’t know if it was from a news organization or what.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Really?! In Iowa?!! I think that’s a good possibility.

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    martian says:

    @Smiling Mortician: Thank you so much for the 5calls.org tip! I haven’t googled around to learn about them yet, but their page is sooo easy to use.

    For anybody interested, you just input your zip code, they give you a list of issues to choose from, you click on oppose DeVos, or oppose the Muslim ban, etc., and a page pops up with an issue summary, the representative you need to call, the number, and a suggested call script. You can also input the action you took. If you have any kind of phone phobia or social anxiety holding you back, this might be your ticket to activism. I always have this anxiety that I’ll be struck stupid while trying to make my point to a live person, and then I will definitely fail the surprise pop quiz thus bringing shame and discredit to the cause, but I seriously felt my anxiety level dropping while going over their topic summaries and scripts. The script on Gorsuch needs to be tweaked to better target a Dem, that’s my only criticism so far. Other than that, I’m actually excited to use this. Oh, and I didn’t have to give up an email – I liked that. I’ll do that later when I feel ready.

    Thanks again, Smiling Mortician!

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    Tripod says:

    Everyone damn well ought to be fucking afraid. Houses in my nice polite 55/45 GOP neighborhood are flying black flags. These folks are really slow to anger, and now have steam coming out of their ears. They aren’t going to cool down because of calls for comity from the villagers, or to maximize Democratic Party prospects next year.

    Flip Congress, kick jackass to the curb, whatever, the beast is out of the box.

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    ellie says:

    @Another Scott: Thanks! That is who I thought it was but wasn’t sure.

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    Bjacques says:

    @Corner Stone: you said his name three times! YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!!

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    Percysowner says:

    Very moving video, the story of two refugees – bring kleenex. Let’s face it. Bannon and Trump want them both dead.

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    Another Scott says:

    Speaking of “resistance”, JJMacNab reminds us that the first of three Bundy Bunch trials starts Monday.

    And the FBI set up a fake film production company and got several of the principles as “interviews”…

    It’ll be interesting to see how the cases are handled under Trump’s people… :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    rikyrah says:

    Outrage fatigue?

    The sociopaths in his Cabinet haven’t even begun to do their damage…

    THAT is what will keep the outrage going

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Brachiator: In my ideal world, this goes the way of HItler in his Bunker. Trumpistein manages to off himself and makes it a murder suicide with Pence and his family. Because the gene pool needs some chlorine.

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    workworkwork says:

    @elm:

    That seems like a pretty good price for broccoli!

    Focus!! That’s how they get you!

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    evodevo says:

    @randy khan: I get this at work all the time … when I try to pin them down on what EXACTLY Clinton did … all I get is crickets, or repetition. There isn’t any there there, and there never was. It is an appeal to the lizard brain, and it would take a backhoe to dig it out.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @dollared: Warren is awesome, so is Ed Markey, but I’m not sure they’ve got a “wing” or are that non-mainstream.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @randy khan:

    Has anyone else noticed RWNJs continuing to push their “Hillary is history’s greatest monster” arguments?

    Yes, and some hard-to-classify anarchist/Ron Paulist/nihilist types are doing it too.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Roger Moore:

    But I can’t remember seeing a single case of a country where millions of people regularly protesting was considered to be background noise, so I’m not too worried about it happening here.

    The US under George W. Bush? At least, I remember a lot of complaints that the massive antiwar protests were like a fart in a windstorm for all the attention they got.

    (There’s a difference between Bush and Trump, though: Bush could ignore people hating him and protesting him. He didn’t give a shit. Trump can’t let it go–it drives him up the wall, and the protests get attention as a result.)

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    Calming Influence says:

    Fuck fatigue. The woman’s march on 1/21 in Seattle was joyful. I’ve rarely felt so much positive energy. I can’t wait to get back out there – more protests, please!

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    Kat says:

    Doug: We can keep it up for years. We can keep it up for eight if necessary.

    Only eight?

    In eight years, what are you going to do if Trump’s designated minion is elected, or if Trump declares himself dictator for life?

    I’ve never been a fan of Brand USA (‘my country right or wrong’), but I’ll be fighting for a real representative democracy here for the rest of my life. But the rights and liberties of Americans isn’t all I’m fighting for. Considering US technological and financial resources, think about what would happen to the whole planet if Americans allow our representative democracy to give way to a fascist dictatorship.

    The only people I know of who are tired of this fight are the so-called leaders of the Democratic Party. Let’s call and tell them that if they’re tired of the battle, they need to resign immediately to make way for more energetic and dedicated leadership.

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    neldob says:

    Yeah, we’re just getting started.

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    wuzzat says:

    Sort of OT, I guess — Scientists March on Washington set a date. April 22nd. I know I’m not the only science-type around these parts, and a Balloon Juice contingent would be nice.

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    @Another Scott: “Why shouldn’t supply and demand work for wages?”

    Because the labor market is not an abstract perfectly competitive market.

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    BellyCat says:

    @🚸 Martin: Truth…

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