Quebec City Mosque Shooting

As some have noted in the comments, a Quebec City mosque – the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center – was attacked during evening prayers today. Five congregants have been killed. One of the local Quebec French language papers is now reporting that two suspected shooters are in custody, though there may be an additional one still at large. Additionally, one of the two shooters has “a Quebec name” and was wielding an AK-47 or AK pattern rifle. Canada has pretty tight restrictions on semi-automatic firearms, including rifles. Quebec name implies a francophone, Quebecer. The mosque has been targeted by vandals in the past. This is obviously a developing event and information is likely to change over the next 24 to 72 hours.






77 replies
  1. 1
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    It is sad that my first thought after “Fuck!” is thank god it wasn’t in the USA.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Most likely the criminal biker idiots. They’re the ones that tend to have the heavy weaponry.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It is sad that my first thought after “Fuck!” is thank god it wasn’t in the USA.

    Unfortunately, probably close enough for butthole mouth fuckface to glom onto it.
    Although they don’t need any actual excuses any longer.

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    Timurid says:

    Deleted. That report may be debunked.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone: I am in a bit of an “I can’t even” moment since the shit on Friday.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I thought the same thing, and then my mind spiraled into imagining how, had it happened in Minnesota, for example, 45 would use it politically. May still happen. Hate this.

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    Cacti says:

    The western world has arrived at another fascist moment.

    The question for everyone is which side are you on?

    My grandfather and great uncles risked their lives to fight fascism. I know where I stand.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Timurid: Good you deleted. That gave every indication of being a fake account.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Cacti: It wasn’t done by a Muslim from the reporting so far. A mosque in Seattle Texas was torched yesterday.

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    NoraLenderbee says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: You’re not alone.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    A mosque in Seattle was torched yesterday.

    This stuff is really beyond my ability to understand. I try, but I can’t get beyond if you do that you are just an evil shit.

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    Timurid says:

    @Cacti: Someone in an earlier thread described a talk given by a Democratic politician in which references were made to keeping the proverbial powder dry, comity and such as…

    The time for that has passed.

    From here on it should be, as an Army hand to hand combat instructor once told me, ‘eyes, balls, throat.’
    Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. Vote no on everything. Filibuster. Filibuster some more. Let them use the nuclear option, if they have the stones for it. Reach across the aisle to Republicans… as long as they’re as committed as you are to getting Trump out of office ASAP. Otherwise, offer nothing but a smile and a kick in the junk.

    Eyes. Balls. Throat.

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    leeleeFL says:

    I said after the election that I was finally going to have opportunity to be the person I hoped I would have been in 1940’s Europe. I know where I stand as well. Hell, even Cheney knows this latest Trumpian awfulness is not what America stands for! Strange Days indeed!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sorry, that was Texas, not Seattle. My bad.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    God, it is the end. There is another “50 Shades of Gray” movie.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Still horrible.

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    GregB says:

    Ugly times.

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    guachi says:

    Deleted. Thought link about mosque attacks suspects was accurate.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Dolly Parton just made a political tit joke.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Cacti: Mr. Suzanne wants to stay in the country and resist. I am…..on board with that idea…..but also scared and preparing to bug out. We could drive to Mexico in three hours or so, though that’s not where I want to stay long-term.

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    Yarrow says:

    Terrible news.

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    fuckwit says:

    This is the clearest statement on why we have to avoid saying “fuck the white working class”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chavez-dont-make-the-same-mistakes-we-did/

    Not because they’re any kind of angels, but because Troll needs us to act like their enemy in order to maintain power, and we can’t let him.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Suzanne: My family didn’t kill shitloads of indigenous people for me to walk away now.

    It is OUR goddamned country. Fuck the Trumpies.

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    Yarrow says:

    Adam, if you’re around, do you have any thoughts on this way of looking at the other EO, the one that is getting a bit less media attention:

    Yesterday's WH recasting of the NSC, letting Flynn+Bannon run it WITHOUT DoD+IC, really amounts to a coup, at least in #natsec terms.— John Schindler (@20committee) January 29, 2017

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    elm says:

    Quoting from LGM:

    If you ever wondered what you have done when Adolf Hitler took power in Germany or Francisco Franco in Spain or Augusto Pinochet in Chile, well now you know. You would do exactly what you are doing now. If that’s going into the streets, then great. If that’s complaining about protestors or whining about liberals or whining about the left, then that’s what you would have done in 1933, 1937, and 1973. Only you can stop Trump. So do it.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I am scared for my Spawns. This is mama bear shit kicking in right now. I both want to resist and I want to flee to make sure they are safe.

    I also heard that the CBP and Border Patrol agents were looking at people’s Facebook pages to determine their “goodness” yesterday. If it ever comes to checking out my social media to see if I’m a good Trump acolyte, then I am FUCKED. So very fucked.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Suzanne: Don’t go anywhere without a plan. Make sure your passports are up to date. Some countries in Latin America require a passport to be six months or a year from its expiration or they won’t let you in. Keep in mind everything is in flux and if you leave and go to another country you might be refused entry or expelled if other countries put in retaliatory measures.

    Then there’s the issue of money. If you leave it here in banks you might be prohibited from accessing it, depending on how things go. Taking it with you in cash leaves you vulnerable.

    There’s a lot to consider. Who knows how much time we’ve got to be able to leave.

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    Juice Box says:

    @Suzanne: We had been talking about moving to Spain for a few years, just for fun. Now we’re talking about staying.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: I think that’s correct. What you want is to check out David Rothkopff’s twitter feed. He wrote the book on the NSC – has been studying it for years. Rothkopff is the editor in chief and publisher of FP Group, which runs Foreign Policy online.

    What this does is it removes the statutorily defined, as in the position descriptions are defined by the statutes that create them, senior and principal military advisor to the President and by extension to the National Security Council and the senior and principal intelligence advisor to the President and by extension to the National Security Council from the principals committee. For the US military and for the US intelligence committee the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence are the principals.

    I can tell you as someone who has been a principal advisor, in my case for culture for a war college commandant, an Army Service Component Commander, a Corps Commander, and a Brigade Combat Team Commander, that if you are not in the room you cannot do your job effectively. Both because you’re not their to make inputs, but also because you’re not their to see and hear what the Commander and the rest of the senior staff are doing so that you can anticipate what you and your staff may have to weigh in on. In order to be left of boom, you need to be in the room. And to ensure that I’m in the room is one of the things that I’m willing to throw very sharp elbows over.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Suzanne:

    If it ever comes to checking out my social media to see if I’m a good Trump acolyte, then I am FUCKED. So very fucked.

    Thanks, you, yourself, probably fucked me over too. I am okay with that. If you got a blacklist. I want to be on it.

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    Lizzy L says:

    I have said this before. I will continue to say it. NOT LEAVING. I am old, ornery, single, no kids, with a dog who’s too old to travel. I will fight them where I stand.

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    MomSense says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s what I was thinking. We see them in Maine sometimes.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SFBayAreaGal: Inorite? I thought that the first got so panned that it was over. I was wrong.

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    Timurid says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Jes suis musulman.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve been having a giant “I can’t even” moment since Friday.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Yarrow: We live in Arizona. When we drive to Mexico, the northern part of the country is a passport-free zone, though all of us, except my mom, have current passports that are not close to expiration. Mr. Suzanne is a fluent Spanish speaker. So I think that that would be the preliminary exit strategy. But long-term, I don’t know. We own a house, I have licensure in this country. If we ever have to flee, it would pretty much destroy us financially.

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    @fuckwit: I was sharing that around earlier, I think it’s helpful reading.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Timurid: Exactly.

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): God bless the ACLU. I am still so “I can’t even.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @MomSense: My understanding is there’s a lot of back and forth across the border, which, with these guys, means trafficking in weapons and drugs and other things.

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    Another Scott says:

    JJMacNab has more.

    Authorities have identified the suspects in #Quebec City shooting as white supremacists David M.J. Aurine and Mathieu Fournier pic.twitter.com/WxkV9eoFcM— Reuter New Braek (@ReutersBrk) January 30, 2017

    :-(

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Doug R says:

    Here’s what the CBC has so far.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Suzanne: If you reach the point where the choice is flee or fight, the financial issue won’t be an issue.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: Here you go:

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    Comrade Mary says:

    @Another Scott: FAKE account. Look for the blue check mark, look for the account description. They’re a parody account — say so right there.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: That’s not actually Reuters, that’s a fake account.

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    Doug R says:

    @Another Scott: Uhh, I think that site is Fake news.

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    toine says:

    I am from Montreal. I can’t believe that this is happening so near to my home…

    The thing about Quebecers is that we love to argue… we’ll talk to and past each other until we are blue in the face… But this??? I am in tears that this is happening…

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    GregB says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    NH has not shortage of gun shops.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Comrade Mary: Thanks. I guess JJMacNab didn’t check it closely enough either. [edit:] She took it down.

    Adam – can you delete that comment of mine at #44 (and your #47 too)? No sense in giving them additional clicks.

    Thanks.

    Sorry for the noise.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @GregB: So I’ve been told. Haven’t been to/through NH in a very long time.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Not true. I will still need to live somewhere and have a job to support my family.

    But I promise this: if I have to flee the country because I’m going to be put in a camp or killed or something, then I am not repaying my student loans anymore. Sorry.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Suzanne: I think I wasn’t explicit. If things get that bad, the economy will likely nosedive as a result of the political and social and possibly religious meshugas. Not that you wouldn’t need money to live wherever you went.

    As for the student loans – I feel your pain.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Cacti: I’m with you.

    Wish I could share a gif, but hey, this is WordPress!

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    Another Scott says:

    Adam: Asking again (since the way this is set up, we rarely go back to lower numbered comments) – Is there any way for you to delete my reply at #44?

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    Rick Wilson’s twitter has a link to a report that Delta has grounded all flights not in the air due to a “worldwide systems failure.”

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    GregB says:

    CNN s now running breaking news on this shooting.

    Reports at least two under arrest.

    At least 5 wounded.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yeah, I know. If it all falls apart, the house would be worthless. But where to live?

    Seriously on the student loans. I wonder what the protocol would be. If shit gets full-blown fascist, AFAIAC, they forfeit it.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks for the tip on the twitter feed–I’ll add it to my list.

    Appreciate your insight. I wonder if the people now being excluded will “throw very sharp elbows” to be in the room. A lot of the National Security folks seem to be all eyes on Mattis.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Suzanne: I was thinking more that you travel through Mexico to another Latin American country. Brazil currently requires visas for Americans to enter (retaliatory for when we started requiring them) and Argentina is one of the countries that has the passport valid for at least X amount requirement. Not sure about others.

    As for where to live and where to put your money, you aren’t the only one wondering about that. It’s a live issue in my household for sure. No idea what the future holds. It all feels so uncertain. You see the pictures of families fleeing wherever they are living and suddenly it doesn’t seem quite as far fetched.

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    Timurid says:

    @Suzanne:

    If I have to run, I’m fucked.
    No First World country would have me if I tried to emigrate tomorrow.
    And if the balloon goes up good and proper? It would be a refugee crisis an order of magnitude worse than Syria. Yes, that Syria, the one that has severely tested both the physical and moral infrastructure of Europe. If the American equivalent ever happens, they’ll skim off the best and the brightest*, shrug their shoulders and sigh ‘sorry, mate.’ Mexico already has serious problems of their own, and they will be devastated by a meltdown in the US. Same for the other Latin American expat havens. And if California and/or some coalition of blue states somehow managed to make a clean getaway… they’d do the same damned thing as Europe. The math does not work any other way. So we’d better hope said balloon never goes up and do whatever we can to stop it.

    *I’m not the best and the brightest. Not even close. Some of us on this blog might be. More of us might think we are, but our opinions won’t matter.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    Any thoughts on when the IC will make some reports? Or how the warrior monk can fix this?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: Done.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Another Scott: Still done.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Yarrow: I have no idea about Senator Coats. I’ve never met Gen. Dunford, but he is not a shrinking violet. However, he too serves at the pleasure of the President even though he was appointed by the previous one and has a couple of years left before he comes up for reappointment or retirement. My impression is still that the exclusions are LTG Flynn’s doing and Bannon’s inclusion is Bannon’s doing. So you’ve got two different things going on. Consolidation of power through exclusion by the National Security Advisor (NSA) and the politicization of the NSC and Interagency by Bannon. In the case of the former, there will be trouble if the NSA attempts to usurp Gen. Dunford’s responsibilities as senior/principal military advisor.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’m to bed. You all have fun.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Timurid: Both my husband and I have masters’ degrees, so I have looked at other countries that would have preference for us, and there are some. He doesn’t want to go, though. For good reason.

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    Couldn't Stand the Weather says:

    SFBayAreaGal says:
    January 29, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Barf

    LULz.

    As to the subject at hand… I hope the Canucks capture this idiot (or idiots) before they do more damage. The last two weeks have shown us only the bare beginning of how far into Rod SerlingLand this can whole thing can go.

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    Pogonip says:

    Hi Adam (& everyone),

    French-language news reporting perps are Moroccan origin so this is probably an incident of ethnic or sectarian hostilities. (I asked “Sunnis vs. Shiites?” and my French-speaking internet-friend replied “Who vs. Who?” :D. I guess Canadian schools don’t teach history any better than American ones do.)

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    Ramalama says:

    @Suzanne: A very good friend of mine is the modern-day age of a pilgrim. He’s spent more than 2 decades living around the world, and recently departed a touristy area of Mexico, where he’d been living on the cheap the past year because it no longer felt safe. He’s opted for India.

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    Ramalama says:

    @Pogonip: Huge racism problem with the francophones in Canada and in France towards Muslims. There are still enough people alive who were born & raised in Algeria and Morocco – now living in Canada, France, and other environs – who are not Berber or Muslim, who resent North Africa now being Muslim. Islam = Muslims =tabernacle.

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    Ramalama says:

    @toine: You guys also love to protest. You’re so good at it.

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    Wow, this comment thread has gone cold. I wonder why: “Quebec mosque terror attack: Six dead after gunmen shout “Allahu Akbar” and open fire during evening prayers.”
    Oh.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Eric Lindholm: It went cold because the guy updating it went to bed before any further information was reported.

    As I put in the original post up top, and I put in every post dealing with something like this:

    This is obviously a developing event and information is likely to change over the next 24 to 72 hours.

    When I see what today’s updates bring, I’ll decide if something new/more needs to be written about it.

    Now, the politeness part of my reply is over. I’ve spent countless hours meeting and interviewing Iraqis that where involved with the insurgency and terrorism or survived it or where involved with it as means to survive it. In other words, I’ve actually met Iraqi Arabs who are also Muslims that have engaged in acts of insurgency and terrorism. Their reasons for doing so were rarely straightforward and their religious beliefs were not always the primary driver. That was usually survival – for themselves or their families or their extended kin within their tribes.

    You want to make a positive contribution like a link to update info that’s been released on the shooters since the original post? Great, that’s helpful. You want to make snide veiled, prejudicial remarks? Not helpful. Do it again, you’re banned. Are we clear?

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