Twitler in the Bunker

Here’s how the brittle narcissist who will be President of the United States in nine days spent his morning so far:

So the man who owes his squeaker EC victory in part to fake news is shrieking that he’s the victim of fake news. We’re supposed to dismiss the intel reports on the say-so of the foreign autocrat who allegedly has Twitler by the short-n-curlies.

We’re supposed to take Trump’s word for it that he has no business dealings with Russia, even though he refuses to release his tax returns and other financial information that could verify the claim, and one of his own sociopathic whelps is on record bragging about Russian money flowing into TrumpCo.

And the situation is comparable to Nazi Germany — with Trump as the victim.

This is real life, folks, but damned if it still doesn’t seem like some queasy nightmare conjured by late-night pizza and cheap booze.

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    napoleon says:

    I am so loving this, and the screams from the right make it all the sweeter.

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    Baud says:

    Every tweet in response should be “You’re lying.”

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    Baud says:

    @Baud:

    Alternatively, “Don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining.”

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    Nina says:

    Twitler, I like that one.

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    LAO says:

    This feels like karmic retribution in overdrive. You live by the lie, you die by the lie. Although, quite frankly, I feel like it’s true. 😂

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    Please proceed, Mr. Trump.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    This is real life, folks, but damned if it still doesn’t seem like some queasy nightmare conjured by late-night pizza and cheap booze.

    If someone had pitched a movie plot like this to one of the big studios two years ago, they’d have laughed and said, “too way out there, nobody would ever buy into this shit, even as fiction.”

    I still want to find my way back to the timeline where there’s no butterfly ballot, and Gore wins Florida and the 2000 election.

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    Elizabelle says:

    The projection. Wow.

    I feel like l can hear the laughing from Langley from miles away. Maybe in the Oval Office too.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: Tweeting this at him in reply, because I am a five year old sometimes: Liar, liar, pants on fire. Maybe you can get KellyAnn to pee on you to put it out.

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    tpheraldb says:

    We’re all just waiting for the Starship Enterprise to come and take us to the right time line. We are clearly stuck in the evil Picard and Kirk timelines.

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    efgoldman says:

    @low-tech cyclist:

    If someone had pitched a movie plot like this to one of the big studios two years ago, they’d have laughed and said, “too way out there, nobody would ever buy into this shit, even as fiction.”

    Unless it was the guys who made Airplane and Animal House.

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    amk says:

    fuck you, bbc.

    Trump Russia ties: Kremlin says it has no ‘compromising’ information

    see? nothing to see here, the rushyan say so, move along.

    otoh

    Barack Obama legacy: Did he improve US race relations?

    fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I have nothing to do with Russia. No deals. No loans. No nothing.

    But in ALL CAPS.

    Go to it. There has got to be something out there to contradict that very firm statement, issued personally.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @Nina:

    Twitler, I like that one.

    I dunno, seems kinda lacking in respect for our Pissident-Elect.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Here’s how the brittle narcissist who will be President of the United States in nine days spent his morning so far:

    Laugh and the whole world laughs at you.

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    GregB says:

    Kelly Ann Conway is slowly morphing into the “Leave Brittany Spears alone!” kid.

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    Soprano2 says:

    I still keep thinking this is all some kind of horrible nightmare a la “Dallas”, and someone is going to wake us all up and say “just kidding”! I told my husband I want to go to Earth2; Hillary probably won there.

    I’ve been calling him Comrade Trump on some message boards. I guess that was truer than I knew.

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    GregB says:

    Well, this story may be falling apart. The Kremlin spokesman just announced that Russia does not collect compromising information on foreign leaders.

    That settles it.

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    Elmo says:

    @tpheraldb: Wait. You mean Spock isn’t supposed to have a beard?

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    @Nina: Twitler and Cheeto Benito are my current favorites.

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    XTPD says:

    damned if it still doesn’t seem like some queasy nightmare conjured by late-night pizza and cheap booze

    The last week of the year, I was half-hoping 2016 would balance out with a Ceausescu Christmas Carol.

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    greennotGreen says:

    I think this is a sinus headache I have, but it could just be an overdose of schadenfreude.

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    SFBayAreaGal says:

    @tpheraldb: So true, so true.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Elizabelle:

    l can hear the laughing from Langley from miles away.

    The intel boys and girls are teaching him not to fuck with them in public, except: he is not a rational actor. His actions and reactions are not predictable, except that he will lie and lash out.
    Perhaps they were/are convinced that leveling these accusations would make Republiklown leaders (especially the house and senate) act like actual Americans and start investigating. For intelligence people, they are extraordinary bad analysts. The 2017 RWNJ Republiklowns will not investigate their own, unless he’s proposing raising the minimum wage, raising taxes on the rich, fixing the ACA, etc….

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    p.a. says:

    @GregB: or Baghdad Barbie

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    Kay says:

    I love how these insane Tweets are now just considered the norm for a President of the United States.

    Political media can tell me all they want that “institutions” are bearing up under Trump- it’s bullshit and anyone who chooses to look can see it’s bullshit.

    He lowers standards every single day. There won’t be anything as dramatic as a collapse. It’s corrosion.

    I don’t know what anyone can do about it- he’s the President, this is the shit he says, it’s news and has to be reported. But I DO know I don’t have to pretend he isn’t lowering every standard out there. He is. I get that pretending everything is FINE has upside and maybe media are required to adopt this pose but the rest of us do not have to deny what is right in front of our noses. I have no patriotic duty to do that.

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    From Both Sides of the Pond says:

    My Facebook feed is blowing up with right-wingers posting ‘4chan faked the whole thing’, trying to conflate the 2-page annex with the Buzzfeed report. Don’t expect conservatives to be buying into this one.

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    sherparick1 says:

    @Kay: The media lords (and there are almost all lords), love it.

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    Trump can’t stand people laughing at him. If he goes through with today’s press conference, it will be awesome.

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    williamc says:

    Delurking after weeks of news blackout, and years of no comment to ask, “who cares?”. This was reported in the campaign, but Trumps got the rubes conditioned to hate the lying press. So what, 60% of us care? They won. We follow this stuff obsessively. What about the Repubs says to you, “we improbably won! We knew this stuff, but let’s anger our base and get rid of our meal ticket on the pinnacle of our triumph”? These people are evil. They are right now trying to figure out how to get food stamps to starve people to give Ricoh people tax cuts. They let this happen. They aren’t/can’t save us. Trump isn’t like real people. He’s not going to quit. Real world, he either stays, burns down the house, we all pay (he’s a lady grabber, so what, he wees on people? he’s doing the whizzing, he looks strong!) or he resigns, the wingnuts are done, they burn it all down. Where do we win in this? We get to be catty from the Internet and right while Pres. Pence leads us to Jesus? Trump is so bad God’s Cyborg Vessel on Earth/dumbest man in politics is the liberal best hope? I’ll eat my hat if those venal dogs McConnell & Ryan do the right thing and not let us be ruled by a kgb agent, but I just tickled myself thinking about either of them noticing the right thing to do even if it was taking care of their kids and cleaning their houses everyday. Hop out of the handbasket, get out to the streets, Resist!

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    sherparick1 says:

    @sherparick1: Also, the NY Times, Clinton’s email management was the bigger story!!

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    Kay says:

    I’d also like to mention the declining ethical standards in law enforcement and justice. Sessions was praised yesterday for pompously proclaiming he would recuse should he launch a witch hunt against Hillary Clinton.

    This is the behavior of a lawyer who is a weasel. Nothing fucking gracious about it.

    What part of “stop smearing people with self-serving statements about pending or possible or ongoing investigations” do federal law enforcement not get? Can they all go get training on their jobs? They don’t know how to act.

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    amk says:

    @Kay:

    He lowers standards every single day. There won’t be anything as dramatic as a collapse. It’s corrosion.

    everything is FINE has upside and maybe media are required to adopt this pose.

    now, if only there was some sorta constitutional guarantee of free speech, the fifth columnist fourth estate would have sprung to it.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Kay: It isn’t the norm, except to the press that gets attention from them. 2/3rds of those Quinnipiac polled think Trump should stop tweeting. That isn’t normalization, it is national shame.

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    Waldo says:

    So, his defense comes down to this: I have no secret relationship with Russia. Just ask Russia.

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    p.a. says:

    @amk: yes. The only time they have a spine is when they’re attacked directly.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @From Both Sides of the Pond: Trump said one true thing during the campaign: He really could shoot someone in the face on 5th Ave, and his supporters wouldn’t abandon him. They have no love for decency, or they wouldn’t support a vulgar lout like Trump.

    But most voters didn’t vote for Trump, and he’s a historically unpopular incoming president — he’s starting out at 37%. I don’t expect the craven bastards in congress to act out of patriotism, but I do expect them to pursue their own interests and enhance their own electoral prospects. And the minute Trump becomes a liability, they’ll turn on him like the ravening pack of hyenas they are.

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    Elizabelle says:

    “Surreal” was Merriam-Webster’s word of the year for 2016.

    And it is surreal to go from Obama’s blunt but gracious farewell speech last night, to these grade-schoolish tweets from the president-elect.

    We are in a mess of trouble.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Snow monkey attempts sex with deer in rare example of interspecies mating

    When I clicked thru I half expected to see a picture of Trump mounting a Russian moose, than I thought ‘more likely the other way around’. Sigh….. it was neither.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    Hmm, who pissed in Trump’s Wheaties?

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    Humboldtblue says:

    This is a great way to keep folks from paying attention to key nomination hearings. I couldn’t a flying fuck how many girls Trump watched piss on each other and any revelations about sordid sexual activities among rich white men are simply not surprising and unless someone is getting arrested, don’t matter, it’s the people around Trump who are the danger and the Republicans have lined up a murderer’s row of vile people to take key government positions.

    But all we’re gonna see and hear is this shit and it’s essentially meaningless because sitting through long boring hearings and researching the past actions of potential cabinet members is hard fucking work, but reporting and speculating about sexual improprieties is far more fun and far more lucrative. It has no bearing on policy or on the damage these nominees can do to our governmental framework but as long as Trump tweets nonsense in response to salacious rumors the media will eat this crap with two spoons and then try and feed it to us while Jeff Sessions will be confirmed as AG.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    “damned if it still doesn’t seem like some queasy nightmare conjured by late-night pizza and cheap booze”

    Like Ebenezer Scrooge, I blame it on a bit of underdone potato.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    he’s starting out at 37%.

    Sounds like he’s overperforming by 10%.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: LOL! Good one, Baud. Looking forward to your 2020 campaign already. Hilarity will ensue.

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    Bostonian says:

    Time to pull out the rubber sheets for the Lincoln Bedroom.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Humboldtblue:

    You thought there was a scenario whereby Sessions would not be confirmed?

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @efgoldman:

    The intel boys and girls are teaching him not to fuck with them in public, except: he is not a rational actor. His actions and reactions are not predictable, except that he will lie and lash out.

    Except isn’t this what the British are saying? Of course Trump being Trump will scream louder, like the idiot he is.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @zhena gogolia: Not at all, but the spotlight would have been on the process and the nominee and for the others as well. Not now, this is all you’ll hear about. It’s the perfect cover for the GOP they are loving it.

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    Baud says:

    @sherparick1: The NYT is garbage.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @amk: Because it’s always the Black guy’s fault if race relations don’t improve even though this country has had hundreds of years of White Presidents. Alrighty then.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @zhena gogolia: I keep hoping there is one. A unicorn will bring it.

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle: He’s the one sure confirmation. The GOP needs to appease the racists.

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    amk says:

    @Humboldtblue: @Humboldtblue:

    yup(ee). and yup(ee).

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Kay: So I guess Secretary Clinton will always be under the threat of investigation for the remainder of her natural life. Hmmm. Then we wonder why decent people don’t want to get involved in politics.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: Suspect so. And he’s got a courteous overlay atop the racism.

    That’s important to official Washington, and journalists. Not what they do. How they seem.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Trump said one true thing during the campaign: He really could shoot someone in the face on 5th Ave, and his supporters wouldn’t abandon him.

    Being a pervert with some disgusting fetishes is another matter. Trump shoots someone that’s Trump channeling John Wayne, Trump masturbating while watching two underage hookers urinate is pretty unmanly.

    @Humboldtblue: except this pretty much shows Trump’s macho man act up to be facade and it attacks Trump’s support directly.

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    rumpole says:

    One other strange coincidence about this: the president-elect ordered his own team not to do oppo research on him, so they could dig out what the other side might have and prepare to respond. A lot of this could be put to rest by answering one simple question:

    Where are the tax returns?

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    danielx says:

    @Baud:

    Alternatively, “Don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining.”

    Naw, that one’s reserved for discussions about trickle down economics.

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    резидент американской области Российской Федерации says:

    Just want to point out the most disturbing aspect of this tale – not that he might be intrigued by watersports (everybody has some kink, here and there), but that he intentionally had it done on the bed that had been occupied by Michelle and Barack. That was the display he wanted – he is a sick fuck in that he lies about everything and will take pleasure in revenge. For 20 years, he sent the “Spy” guy photos of his hands.

    Mixed with his incompetence, he’s frighteningly dangerous.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @williamc:
    Please feel free to return to lurking
    @Humboldtblue:
    feel free to join him

    this is about creating a PR nightmare for Trump and the GOP. The effort is not just to expose his sordid, compromised husk but to make it make him the laughing stock he should have been months ago with enough Americans that he BS no longer sells and they demand changes. this is our current best chance to stop him before he begins

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    Elizabelle says:

    My earworm for the day: “We’re on the island of misfit toys …”

    Kay’s point about corrosion is good. I wonder if we and Obama will be able to rescue the American experiment.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Baud:

    Alternatively, “Don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining.”

    BWAH HA HA HA HA HA

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    rikyrah says:

    @Elizabelle:

    feel like l can hear the laughing from Langley from miles away. Maybe in the Oval Office too.

    The Spooks are not playing with him.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    Twitler and Cheeto Benito are my current favorites.

    I’ve been going with “the abomination of desolation,” but sometimes one needs something shorter.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    Shouldn’t it be Twitler in the Bunker?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Serious question: in these tweets “leak” and “movement” are in quotes.

    Do you think they might be fake tweets? Trump will say he did not send them. And maybe someone on his staff did, but will deny.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @rikyrah: And they’re not done with him either. This is just the beginning.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    I don’t know what anyone can do about it- he’s the President, this is the shit he says, it’s news and has to be reported. But I DO know I don’t have to pretend he isn’t lowering every standard out there. He is. I get that pretending everything is FINE has upside and maybe media are required to adopt this pose but the rest of us do not have to deny what is right in front of our noses. I have no patriotic duty to do that.

    Keep on telling that truth, Kay.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Baud:
    I have heard that!

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    Putin’s Puppet is going to piss away America’s good name and good will it has built over decades and centuries. Every day is going to be a disaster. What a comedown from President Obama.

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    Jeffro says:

    @amk: hey if that pisses you off, you should see fox news dot com…they are ‘all in’ on defending Putin’s Puppet today. Good for them…that’ll be tenable by the end of the week…

    Btw my RWNJ dad asked me this morning “why wasn’t this out before the election?” (That’s why y’all could hear screaming east of the Mississippi, that was me.) So I sent him Kurt Eichenwald’s 11/4 Newsweek article…which I had sent him before. the. election. Also, Harry Reid’s pre-election letter to Comey and a clip of the Clinton/Trump debate – the part where Trump flips out “NOPUPPETNOPUPPETYOURETHEPUPPET!” Just for starters…

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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah:

    The Spooks are not playing with him.

    Many here called it…what can we all say, we follow actual news and ‘facts’

    Next will be disclosures about how much he owes Russian banks, billionaires, and criminal leaders…spin yer way out of that one, Twitler.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Elections have consequences.

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    Yoda Dog Democrat says:

    “Twitler” is awesome. Betty you are Dylanesque with your snarky monikers. LOVE!

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    Schlemazel says:

    I know it is bad luck to mention him but I wonder were our very own copy o Putin’s love child, боб в Портленде, is these days

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Schlemazel:

    this is about creating a PR nightmare for Trump and the GOP. The effort is not just to expose his sordid, compromised husk but to make it make him the laughing stock he should have been months ago with enough Americans that he BS no longer sells and they demand changes. this is our current best chance to stop him before he begins

    What GOP have you been following for the past 40 years or so? They don’t give a shit about PR nightmares unless they directly affect elections such as their folly during previous threatened government shutdowns. The GOP has no shame, they nominated Trump for chrissakes, you think some salacious details about Trump are going to force them to be ashamed? Did you watch the primaries and the election? Trump embarrassed himself nearly every day, spewed out lie after lie every day and you think the GOP is worried about bad PR?

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Jeffro:

    hey if that pisses you off, you should see fox news dot com…they are ‘all in’ on defending Putin’s Puppet today. Good for them…that’ll be tenable by the end of the week…

    It’s quite a display of irony and desperation. They know this one is going be punch line on Trump for ever.

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    danielx says:

    @Elizabelle:

    An edit of something I posted in response to another commentator last night…..

    …they still yammered on about Hillary’s emails when this shit was out there?!?

    But…but…the optics! Emails! Benghazi something! Clinton Foundation! We’re having so much fun with those, and everybody knows about Trump already! Oh yeah, and the optics*!

    Not to mention the Clinton Rules:

    1. The Clintons are guilty of something, it’s merely a question of us finding out what it is.
    2. Whatever they are guilty of, it’s the most egregious, vile, corrupt violation of something since….since ever. It’s just out there waiting to be found!

    All else follows. (end)

    I don’t even want to think about “optics” in connection with Donald Trump. Some images are not meant to be seen or contemplated, particularly since some of those “optics” are considered felonies in all fifty states.

    Felonious Donald. Oooh, I like it.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Humboldtblue: We’re doomed, I tell ya, doomed!

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    amk says:

    @Jeffro: heh, beebs already got poxified.

    fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, bbc.

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    hilts says:

    Trump is squealing like a stuck pig and hopefully he’ll be hoisted by his own petard.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: If you say so.

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    napoleon says:

    @Schlemazel:

    Exactly.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Schlemazel: Adam banned him a while back. I guess he got more unhinged than usual in some thread I missed. But I kind of miss him.

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    Davey C says:

    Does anybody know if he’s still planning on holding his press conference today?

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Humboldtblue: No, that’s what you’re saying and it’s exhausting, quite frankly.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Yoda Dog Democrat: Wish I could claim credit for it, but I heard it elsewhere first, origins unknown.

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    Xenos says:

    It is a lot easier to deny a report that you were exchanging information with foreign intelligence agents when you do not have your proxies making clarifying statements to the media like this (in the Weekly Standard, no less):

    Giuliani: Trump did not really mean to request espionage…

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    @Schlemazel: He is a fan of the multiple house owning so-called socialist, so logic is an alien concept to him.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Oh go fuck yourself you whinging bitch. I don’t give a fuck what makes you tired.

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    @Betty Cracker:Botsplainer has been using it for quite sometime, I don’t know whether he came up with it.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeffro:

    Rightwingers must have off/on switches surgically implanted in their heads. If someone they judge to be a liberal or sounds like a liberal to them, they automatically stop listening to whatever is said.

    We are told we shouldn’t give up trying to talk to some of these rightwingers but who has that much patience, time or the stomach for it?!

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    SFAW says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    But I kind of miss him.

    Seek professional help, stat.

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    aimai says:

    @Kay: When I think of the torrent of abuse that President Obama and his family suffered from sitting congressmen and senators over perfectly ordinary acts–from touching the back of the Queen, courteously, to help and older woman up to putting their feet on the coffee table in the oval office I could just scream. Remember the attacks on Clinton for not wearing a suit and tie and the puffing off of Bush II as a paragon of courteouisie and a parfit gentil knight?

    Now this asshole sets off an international crisis a minute, literally pays prostitutes to piss in front of him, and SILENCE.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    I am sure Dr Jill Stein wi)l say golden showers are good for you and as good as vaccines.

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    SFAW says:

    @Humboldtblue:

    Oh go fuck yourself you whinging bitch. I don’t give a fuck what makes you tired.

    Ooh, does someone need a hug?

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    Jeffro says:

    @hilts: He just Tweeted that he couldn’t be in league with Russia as Russia JUST SAID it’s not in league with him. So there – suck it, fellow libtards!

    Jesus, this guy…

    Anyway, next up: COMEY! (via WaPo)

    Though it might be nice to imagine Trump’s presidency collapsing before it’s even begun, the fact remains that we know little more now than we did last week about Trump’s ties to Russia and whether Vladimir Putin’s government has compromising information on the president-elect. There is one thing we do know, though: FBI Director James Comey’s intervention in the election last October — controversial at the time — looks completely indefensible now.

    A few hours before the explosive CNN and BuzzFeed reports landed on Tuesday, Comey was at a Senate intelligence committee hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 election. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked the director whether the FBI has “investigated these reported relationships [between the Trump campaign and Russia]?” Comey replied, “I would never comment on investigations … in an open forum like this.” When Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) pressed Comey on the same question later in the hearing, he repeated that “especially in a public forum, we never confirm or deny a pending investigation.” (King dryly replied, “The irony of your making that statement here, I cannot avoid.”)

    So Comey understands that the FBI weighing in publicly on open investigations, when charges are still being proved, is unwise. Doing so puts those being investigated at the mercy of innuendo and rumor. Yet Comey ditched this rule when he notified Congress 11 days before the election that the FBI was looking into whether there were previously unrevealed emails from Hillary Clinton on a laptop belonging to her aide’s estranged husband. (It should also be noted that this followed months of anti-Clinton leaks from Rudy Giuliani’s friends in the FBI’s New York field office.)

    Worse, the search warrant for the emails unsealed in December shows that, as The Post reported at the time, investigators “had no new evidence of actual wrongdoing” on Clinton’s part. Meanwhile, the Guardian reported Tuesday that the FBI thought the allegations of ties between Trump’s campaign and Russia credible enough that they sought a wiretap on four members of Trump’s team.

    I wonder if the CIA might help us out w/ ol’ James…

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Humboldtblue: 0h, you’re the guy shrieking like a bad actress in a lousy horror movie, but I’m a “bitch”? Why don’t you hide under the bed already?

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    rikyrah says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    @rikyrah: And they’re not done with him either. This is just the beginning.

    Nope. they aren’t.

    They’ve been doing this a long time.

    I said before…My money’s on the CIA.

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    SFAW says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    0h, you’re the guy shrieking like a bad actress in a lousy horror movie, but I’m a “bitch”? Why don’t you hide under the bed already?

    Leave Britney Humboldtblue ALOOOOOOOONE!!!

    ETA: You big meanie.

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    Jeffro says:

    @bemused:

    We are told we shouldn’t give up trying to talk to some of these rightwingers but who has that much patience, time or the stomach for it?!

    When they’re family or good friends, it’s worth a shot…

    Not 48 hours ago my dad actually said, in writing, “if all of this is Russia stuff is true then the country would have been better off under HRC”. GEE, YA THINK???
    Today his reflexive inner wingnut is scraping for excuses. Understandable but this ship is Going Down. (cackle)

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    A Ghost to Most says:

    I’ve been thinking about Boris in Putinland quite a bit. Does it seem interesting to anyone else that a top-10,000 blog warranted its own russian agent? How big is the operation? I don’t read other blogs – was/is this a common occurrence on other progressive blogs?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @amk:

    Eh, the article is a somewhat lame attempt at humor.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @aimai: White Male Privilege is a helluva drug, ain’t it?

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    liberal says:

    @williamc: yeah, but how would Pence fare politically? Is he particularly charismatic?

    Not that I think the deranged NPD/ADHD coke-addict is. But he somehow has followers.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Humboldtblue: Sessions has been a prosecutor, Attorney General and then Senator for the last 45 years. He isn’t going to say anything in a hearing that could be used against him.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Davey C: Saw a tweet from some reporter that Giuliani had arrived at Treason Tower to help Twitler prepare for it. I’ll lift my media blockade to watch that live if it goes down. Meanwhile, Tillerson is getting a tongue bath from the Repubs as his hearing opens. That’s streaming live at CSPAN now.

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    Belafon says:

    @Elizabelle:

    There is strong evidence that Trump’s businesses have received significant funding from Russian investors. Most notably, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. made that very claim at a real estate conference in New York in 2008, saying “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” Donald Trump Jr. added, “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

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    Barbara says:

    I didn’t think spy agencies had a sense of irony, but the irony here is rich: Obama makes public the fact that the Russians tried hard to intervene in U.S. affairs by throwing the election to Trump, not by hacking but by strategic leaks and disinformation. Trump’s first instinct, which, being the idiot that he is, he broadcasts with a megaton horn, is to state that he is going to restructure intelligence agencies because they have become too politicized. A few days later, we are now starting to learn that not only did the Russkies try to intervene but that they might have been informing and maybe even conspiring with members of Trump’s team and that they have lots of negative, blackmail worthy information about Trump. So Trump goes on another twitter tear. Hasn’t gotten the message at all, that the spy agencies are like a cobra and every time he breathes (tweets) their grip around him is likely to get tighter. He is stuck. If he keeps praising Putin he kind of validates their intelligence, but he is probably scared shitless at what Putin might do if Trump doesn’t perform as his special puppet. A smarter man would manage this more effectively, but a smarter man probably wouldn’t be in this position to begin with. I don’t really care whether it affects “his” special snowflake voters, whose relationship to reality is highly questionable, because what matters is that it distracts him to the point of madness and keeps him off balance and out of control and unable to roll over his opposition in the same way that Reagan and Bush II did. Anyone who can’t see that and at least try to gain advantage is too self-loathing or cowed to be of much use anyway.

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    amk says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Treason Tower to help Twitler prepare for it

    good one.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Yeah, that’s what I did when I pointed out that salacious rumors about Trump will detract from nomination hearings. You fucking got me good.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Shalimar: That’s not the point and Sessions isn’t the only nomination on the schedule. The point is that this will take any focus off the people who will be taking over key cabinet positions, they are almost all going to be nominated in the end, but exposing them in the process would have been nice.

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    Barbara says:

    @Humboldtblue: Because no one can ever care about more than one thing at a time?

    ETA: In fact, blowing up Trump’s team so that they have to focus on helping him deal with the “Russia Question” gives them less time and ammunition to focus on dealing with opposition to nominations. Did you ever think to look at it that way? Or does Trump’s team have super powers that are utterly lacking in others?

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @SFAW: Nope, don’t need a hug, but you can go fuck yourself as well.

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    Humboldtblue says:

    @Barbara: What? did you read any of the words I wrote?

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    artem1s says:

    The CIA went after Rove when he fucked with them. Shrub threw Libby under the bus to save his favorite minion but even the Bushies backed down when the intelligence agencies got pissed at them. Up to that point they had been getting away with murder, and torture, and, and, and…

    The Twiters’s CABAL does not have the discipline of the Bush Crime Family. They don’t have a history of trading favors with anyone who matters. The Twitlers’s Savonarola moment is coming sooner than we think, IMO. After all, this guy is truly an outsider where most of The Village is concerned. He’s just a dirty little smelly crank who conveniently has gotten the masses riled up so the power grab can continue during the chaos. The CIA isn’t going to put their asses in the line of fire to protect anyone who is making their job harder and more dangerous. This release isn’t just about threatening Twitler. It’s to demonstrate that they aren’t afraid to release info. period. Whatever they have on Twitler is irrelevant. Is Ryan and McConnell absolutely sure their closets are clean? Pence? Sessions? What are they willing to do to keep their info out of the next leak?

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    Shalimar says:

    @A Ghost to Most: The trolls seem to stop by much more often on specific threads, which means they scan a lot of blogs and shit on some of them for 15-30 minutes at a time. One troll could be responsible for 50 blogs if that was their only job.

    As for top 10000 blog, how many liberal political blogs get more comments per post than this one? It can’t be more than a few dozen.

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    Barbara says:

    @Humboldtblue: Yep I did. They are unpersuasive.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    I wonder what Hillary is doing right now? I wonder if Bill and Hill are set up in their home theater with a ton of popcorn.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeffro:

    Thankfully, I don’t have too many close friends or family that were at least Trump curious many months ago. I don’t really know how they finally voted but I’m scared to find out that they did which would make it very hard for me to spend much time with them ever again. Might be worth a try if I could just treat it as if they have succumbed to a cult or have an emotional disorder.

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    GregB says:

    @A Ghost to Most:

    What is this in reference to?

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    резидент американской области Российской Федерации says:

    I was just thinking – at least Vidkun Quisling and Benedict Arnold had previously served their respective peoples in uniform to some distinction marking courage and competence. Twitler didn’t serve, lined his pockets with other people’s money, busted out and then bankrupted the remains repeatedly.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeffro:

    They don’t crack easily, lol.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @artem1s: HW Bush was the CIA director under Ford.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @GregB: We had a regular commenter here for many years who was a reliable mouthpiece for Russian propaganda.

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    SFAW says:

    @Humboldtblue:

    Nope, don’t need a hug, but you can go fuck yourself as well.

    Poor baby, you obviously DO need one. Or maybe someone can bring you some warm milk.

    Listen, I might be able to find 20 or 30 spare IQ points buried in my couch; I’ll send them your way when I find them, so that you can come up with something more intelligent than “go fuck yourself” to anyone who points out the stupidity of your “argument,” or who comments on your asshole behavior.

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    Bupalos says:

    See, and we all rolled our eyes and thought it was fake when Hillary had to stifle a girlish giggle on that “Trumped-up trickle-down” line.

    Admit now it was a screamer, but timing, Hilz, TIMING IS EVERYTHING!

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    SFAW says:

    @резидент американской области Российской Федерации:

    Twitler didn’t serve,

    You’re forgetting the old saying “They also serve, who stand and grift”

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    Shalimar says:

    @Humboldtblue: What are the hearings going to expose? They act sane for the period of time they are questioned, a few people testify as to their crazy beliefs, and even the viewers who watch the hearings don’t know one way or the other unless they are paying attention to partisan news sources. The people who read here or Breitbart already have their opinions and aren’t going to change them, and no one else is going to learn anything.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Schlemazel: I really don’t get the “stop focusing on this. Focus only on this instead” arguments. Adults can focus on multiple issues simultaneously. When it comes to Trump, we should focus on everything that is revealed about him. Nothing should be beyond our notice and consideration. We’re not so dumb or silly that we are incapable of analyzing his misconduct in Russia and his disastrous appointments at the same time.

    Go away with this “we can’t think about more than one thing” nonsense.

    P.S. Do you really think that Republicans would ignore damaging information about a Democratic President-Elect because there is other damaging information out there? Some of you are not paying attention.

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    JPL says:

    @A Ghost to Most: According to articles, they also sent up trolls as supporters of
    Bernie. We really don’t know who’s who.

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    GregB says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Oh yeah, BIP! I assumed he was on the editorial board of RT.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @резидент американской области Российской Федерации: Trump is a twisted dude but I don’t see how he got revenge on the Obamas by engaging in crass acts in a bed they once occupied. Perhaps that was his intention although I find that strange since I’m pretty sure he never wanted all of this debauchery to be revealed (to the Obamas or anyone else).

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    SFAW says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    P.S. Do you really think that Republicans would ignore damaging information about a Democratic President-Elect because there is other damaging information out there?

    Actually, I think they’d make up (purportedly/bullshit) damaging information. But that’s only because I’m an incorrigible cynic.

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    Bostonian says:

    @Elizabelle: Good point. Because now we know Twitler likes real leaks and real movements, not fake ones.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Davey C: Just heard that Trump was still holding his conference. Should be …. interesting.

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    jonas says:

    @A Ghost to Most: There’s a Putin knob-polisher that shows up regularly on Kevin Drum’s blog at MoJo.

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    Booger says:

    @Barbara: I don’t believe cobras are constrictors, since they’re so well equipped in the poison and speed department. But your point stands.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @aimai: Yet some commenters here are saying we shouldn’t be talking about the pissing story because reasons. I’m with you.

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    r€nato says:

    Glenn fucking Greenwald: useful and right 10% of the time, supremely self-righteous and annoying-as-fuck the rest of the time.

    I get that you can’t stand the intelligence community, Mr. Greenwald. I get that you don’t feel any allegiance to the Democratic party. But there’s a larger picture here than your supremely narrow obsession with taking down the CIA and NSA a notch or four. We had two choices, practically speaking, last fall. And Hillary – with all her flaws – was by far the better choice over the looming disaster of the Trump presidency.

    Glenn Greenwald, leader of the left-wing lemming purity brigade.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

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    Bostonian says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I guess it was enough to get his tiny rocks off.

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    jonas says:

    I wonder how hard it would be for a reporter stationed in Moscow to start making some inquiries around the high-end escort community there and see if they can find anyone who is willing to talk about having been hired by Trump on one of his trips?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Humboldtblue:
    They don’t give a shit about PR? how dense are you or did you sleep through the PR disaster that was their attempt to undo the ethics committee? Assuming you are awake now I’ll explain it to you. The GOP thought they could simply end the oversight group that had some teeth & go back to what they had before the Dem held power. People, many of the same morans that voted for Trump screamed bloody murder and guess what? The GOP suddenly decided they would not end the committee. Does that sound familiar or do you need to put done the humbolt blue until your short-term memory improves?

    This is the real fight right now & one we could win. Standing around DC on the 20th is all pretty and nice but it is not going to set fire to the Trump faction. THIS COULD.

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    JMG says:

    To use the intelligence jargon of the past, as an asset Trump is blown. Any actions he takes seen as benefiting Russia and Putin will cause even huger political outcries and also widen what could be dangerous (for them) splits within the Republican Party. At some point, maybe sooner than we think, it’s going to be in Putin’s interest to cut Trump loose. And he’s got the information to use for a knife, too.

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    Yoda Dog Democrat says:

    @Betty Cracker: It’s short and perfectly encapsulates both how scary and how utterly ridiculous the shitstain is.. ITS GOLD, JERRY! GOLD!!!

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I had a hemorrhoid I miss more than him.

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    Jeffro says:

    Twitter just kills me – my 2 faves so far:

    I hear the Russians have footage of Obama playing basketball and saving the economy…

    It’s like your awesome dad just left and now your mom’s perverted new boyfriend just pulled up in his Trans-Am…

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    rikyrah says:

    @Barbara:

    If he keeps praising Putin he kind of validates their intelligence, but he is probably scared shitless at what Putin might do if Trump doesn’t perform as his special puppet. A smarter man would manage this more effectively, but a smarter man probably wouldn’t be in this position to begin with. I don’t really care whether it affects “his” special snowflake voters, whose relationship to reality is highly questionable, because what matters is that it distracts him to the point of madness and keeps him off balance and out of control and unable to roll over his opposition in the same way that Reagan and Bush II did.

    The MSM, in their continued malpractice, hardly ever brings up this FACT…

    the one FACT that The Spooks at Langley have never and will never forget…

    Vladimir Putin is not just some leader of a foreign hostile country…

    He used to be one of the top men at the KGB.

    You don’t think THAT not so small piece of history rules EVERY BIT OF CONTEXT as to how Langley views Twitler?

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Humboldtblue:
    that you don’t care is obvious, why you feel the need to constantly let us know how little you care is the real mystery.

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    rikyrah says:

    @artem1s:

    Bush Crime Family

    The accuracy of this statement always gets to me.

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    jonas says:

    @Patricia Kayden: That Trump probably hired a bevy of escorts to entertain him in his hotel suite I can totally believe. The watersports story is third-hand and seems just a little too…detailed. Especially the part about it being some sick bit of fantasy revenge against the Obamas. I dunno.

    Also, what ever happened to the story from earlier in the campaign about Trump having raped a 13-year old or something. That got buried quickly, it seems.

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    Barbara says:

    @Booger: I thought some cobras were? Well, anacondas then. If I were inclined to restructure intelligence agencies the last thing I would do is advertise it in advance. I don’t think you need to be a genius to understand that.

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    The Lodger says:

    @резидент американской области Российской Федерации: Wonder what his plans are for the bed in the White House, then.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @A Ghost to Most:
    I am pretty sure the operation covers blogs way down the list as they operate in teams and back each other up so they can cover a lot of territory in little time. It explains the odd absences.

    I am pretty sure the whole “the_donald” over on reddit was 80% Putin, particularly after the hack. but we will never know that on

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    The bigoted idiots who voted for Trump don’t care that he’s a racist, a bully, and a rapist. But, in the end, I think they won’t support a creepy old pervert who’s become a punchline to a sick joke.

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    резидент американской области Российской Федерации says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It was his private fantasy revenge – a nasty little secret for himself, plus, he got off on it as a bonus.

    For the investment of a few billion, Putin gains nominal control of a first class military and the world’s most powerful economy.

    Hell, Deadbeat Donnie continues compromising by his fevered denials. Kompromat works on so many levels – suppose Putin decides that Twitler is on such a short leash now that he’s of little use. If he truly wants to shatter the American polity, he lets him lie with impunity, and at the stroke of noon EST on 1/20 releases audio and video. The country would be incredibly weakened, and I’d argue, ripe for a palace coup led by the military, likely Mattis.

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    r€nato says:

    @rikyrah: I first heard it on the Mike Malloy radio show during the Bush regime. I thought it was simply a catchphrase but once I started really digging into the Bush family’s past… it’s absolutely accurate. It’s an organized crime family, only they traffic in power and influence and backroom deals instead of protection rackets and loansharking and narcotics.

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    Jim Parene says:

    @tpheraldb: Dr. Who could help, too.

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    Barbara says:

    @rikyrah: Yeah, Putin was the guy who was most likely responsible for having the people they recruited shot in the head without giving them a lick of due process. And Aldrich Ames sits in a U.S. prison free to write and give interviews and work out a deal that lets his wife keep some of his ill gotten gains and go back to her country of origin with her son. Ditto for Philip Hansen. And Putin thinks we’re weak because we didn’t shoot them in the head. He is fundamentally a bad guy. You might accommodate him if it’s in your best interest, and it’s rarely in anyone’s interest to actively make enemies, but beyond that, we have nothing in common with him.

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    manyakitty says:

    @jonas: She was intimidated into dropping her claim.

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    @r€nato: Who is funding The Intercept?

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    Kay says:

    @aimai:

    When I think of the torrent of abuse that President Obama and his family suffered

    The public doesn’t have any duty to give Donald Trump a fair trial on these allegations. I don’t have any fucking power I’ll be wielding over the sleazy Trump Family. I’ll make my own decisions on Donald Trump. I don’t need the blessing of the people on Morning Joe.

    You know who DOES have a duty to treat people equally? James Comey. Because he has power he gets responsibility.

    It’s like random people on Twitter are being held to a higher standard than the director of the FBI and the President of the United States. Why are they scolding the public? Go scold these powerful people who are fucking up all over the place.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @jonas: I am absolutely certain that the high-end escorts operating in Moscow know the rules of the game and will never breathe a word of anything to anyone besides their FSB handler. Moscow may get cold in winter, but it’s still a lot nicer and more lucrative than Yakutsk.

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    AlbertZ says:

    @Jim Parene: He helped Nixon but there were larger forces afoot. Now if I could only figure out why I’m so tired and my skin is covered with marker tallies.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @jonas:

    They settled the suit.

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    jonas says:

    Reading through the dossier over at BuzzFeed, some stuff towards the end struck me: the assessment read that the reason the Trump campaign welcomed Russia’s interference in all this was 1. because it would damage Hillary, but primarily 2., to distract the media and the public from the fact that where Trump is *really* compromised is in China and certain other emerging economies where he’s done some seriously shady stuff. But being close to China was seen as more of a liability, so they figured that getting everyone worked up over Russia, where Trump *wishes* he could do a lot of business, but really hasn’t, would do the trick.

    China has seemed at times awful sanguine about Trump’s rhetoric and shenanigans. Maybe there’s a reason for that.

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    chopper says:

    @Schlemazel:

    exactly. if we can’t stop the guy at least we can make him terribly unpopular and a laughingstock. which is his biggest weakness.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Yeah, you’re dreaming if you think any of them would talk.

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    Kay says:

    @aimai:

    I cannot believe powerful Republicans are still slimeing Hillary Clinton by slyly mentioning these vague “investigations” every time they’re in front of a microphone. OMFG. Be better people. It’s an emergency. Try not to be sleazy weasels for one day. Put in some effort.

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    ruemara says:

    @Shalimar: Uh, he clearly admitted to falsifying his civil rights record during questioning by Senator Franken.

    See, Humbolt, some of us can mock Trump and pay attention to hearings at the same time.

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    Aleta says:

    Coincidentally, the pattern remains: Obama’s last speech upstaged.
    Press and public attention is partly diverted from the hearings for three scandalous nominees.

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    PaulW says:

    @GregB:

    You mean Ian Fleming and John LeCarre LIED to us?!

    granted, they wrote spy fiction, but are both people who actually worked as spies and know exactly the tradecraft in the Cold War stuff vs. Soviet Russia. And granted, they’re not Soviet Commies anymore but Russia IS an autocratic kleptocracy looking to f-ck up NATO big time so they can reclaim Ukraine and reassert political dominance over Eastern Europe.

    So that’s just me being a sarcastic librarian.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @JMG: That’s an important point. As you say, Trump is only useful to Putin if he has the power to alter US policy in ways that are favorable to Russia. Just a couple of days ago, Conway implied Trump and the Republicans will kill any further investigation into the hacks and roll back the sanctions Obama recently imposed.

    Certainly Trump and his people are shameless enough to pursue that policy even after this scandal, but will the Republicans in congress find it in their political interest to support that strategy? I don’t question their patriotism — they have none. But they understand how intel orgs and foreign intrigue work better than Trump does.

    Maybe the Tillerson hearings will provide some clues on how firmly elected Republicans are clinging to Trump’s bandwagon. They’ll probably know the wheels are coming off before he does.

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    PaulW says:

    @Aleta:

    I don’t think Obama’s speech was upstaged.

    Obama’s speech gave us a clear contrast between what we’re losing with him out the door – a graceful, thoughtful, intelligence, classy world leader as role model – and what we’re getting with Trump – a vulgar, sexist, unthinking, conniving, vengeful business failure with the worst taste in foreign business partners.

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    Mike J says:

    Every day somebody tells us that horrible thing X exists solely to distract us from horrible thing Y. How are we supposed to agree on which is the one true outrage worthy of our time when there are 17 per day?

    The idea that the president elect is in hock to a foreign power doesn’t seem like some trivial thing meant to distract us from a pretty good speech by the current president.

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay: I can believe it. They aren’t terribly smart and they are where they are based on slogans and maybe for some of them good looks. They are like a lot of performers with a well-worn act — once it wears out there is nothing to fall back on. Think about all those rock bands still touring with the very same set of songs after 30 years. They aren’t earning a living for their musicianship. The only thing you can hope for here is that their venues get smaller and smaller with time as the audience gets tired of them or dies.

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    Kay says:

    @jonas:

    Well, I guess no one will ever know because Donald Trump refuses to release anything or answer any questions and no one in the entire federal government can come up with a way to compel anything from him.

    They’re powerless before the mighty power of a reality tv show star. He’s brought them to their knees. They surrendered.

    Maybe, just maybe, our institutions all failed when faced with Trump because they were weak and packed with second rate hacks. They dissolved into a puddle of uselessness the one time everyone needed them. What good are they? The whole point of having them was for bad situations. The second they’re tested they’re all like “welp, can’t do much about THAT, I guess!”

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    r€nato says:

    @schrodingers_cat: I say this with all sincerity, I would not be surprised if there was some Russian funding involved. The Soviets certainly did aid the anti-nuke movement in the US and other student/grass-roots movements in Europe and S. America that they saw as helpful to their goals. Greenwald’s single-minded obsession on the intelligence community is so strong, I am sure he could reconcile himself with accepting Russian support just as certain cynical conservative Jews don’t mind accepting support from Christian evangelicals re: Israel.

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    Barbara says:

    @Mike J: Yeah, thanks for saying this. As if there is some kind of natural order of priority that we all share and is being manipulated by various people with their own agenda. Not.

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    catclub says:

    @Davey C: The news stillkeeps saying he is having one today, but I thought last night: “No press conference today.”

    I guess we wait and see.

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    ruemara says:

    @jonas: What makes you think those women would be able to talk?

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    PaulW says:

    Every pro-Trump pro-wingnut tweeter has LOL as a signature, as though that excuses every BS tweet they publish.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    So Marco fucking Rubio has grown a set. Who could have suspected?

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    Calouste says:

    @резидент американской области Российской Федерации: Yep. Always keep in mind that the goal of Putin is not to elect Trump, it’s to weaken the West relative to Russia. Trump is just a tool in the pursuit of that goal.

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    chris says:

    @Schlemazel: Thank you, that needed to be said.

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    hilts says:

    @r€nato:

    Glenn Greenwald is a useful idiot for Putin and I don’t give a fuck what he thinks about anything.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Kay:

    Maybe, just maybe, our institutions all failed when faced with Trump because they were weak and packed with second rate hacks.

    In other words, the second rate hacks selected by W and the GOP did exactly what they were supposed to do.

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    резидент американской области Российской Федерации says:

    @ruemara:

    Those women have been dead for several months. They’ll never talk.

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    I would not also discount how Russian propaganda has taken over the leftier-than-thou section of the electorate.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Gin & Tonic: He has no principles, but he senses an opportunity. Good.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I’ve not looked at the Buzzfeed stuff, but this could have “fake Karl Rove stuff” all over it.

    Also, I am not comfortable with going after Trump for his sexual proclivities. People are entitled to a private life. If his involved partners were known to be underage or coerced, that could be a different.

    Thinking more on this: all the laughing is a real chance to point out that libtards are hypocrites. Because we would be defending someone else for consensual private behavior. (That’s not too skeevy. I am proud that Democrats deserted Anthony Weiner.)

    It’s safer to stick with going after the money trail. It has got to be there. The comment upthread by one of the lesser Trumps about the money stream coming from Russia.

    Issue here is a president-elect susceptible to foreign blackmail and advantage-taking.

    I think the press passed on this because it was not proveable, and they are cowards. They had an easier target to bully — EMAILS!

    Their publishers and owners learned well that Trump will sue for anything. The press saw the Dan Rather kerning episode.

    They could have let it slip that Trump was susceptible to foreign blackmail. Instead, they made it out that the Clinton Foundation was a big grift operation. Too much of the press are cowards, with a few exceptions, and not that bright or good.

    Fuck the fucking New York Times and a lot of the others. They helped take down Hillary, and gave us a horror as president-elect.

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    GregB says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Follow the money.

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    Kay says:

    Michael Calderone ‏@mlcalderone 3h3 hours ago
    Baquet says NYT didn’t run Trump docs because “we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by”

    Except when we’re pursuing our weird, unprofessional vendetta against Hillary Clinton as we did for the entire 2016 campaign.

    They vanquished that foe, I must say! If only they showed the same prosecutorial zeal regarding the NY real estate developer.

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    The Lodger says:

    @liberal: In white-picket-fence America, you can think of Pence as a fence post. He’s almost that smart.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Shalimar:

    Sessions has been a prosecutor, Attorney General and then Senator for the last 45 years.

    And yet, I could swear a Washington Post headline used the term “outsider” in reference to Mr. Sessions. Yesterday, I believe. Unless it was the Fuck the Fucking NY Times.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Kay:

    Except when we’re pursuing our weird, unprofessional vendetta against Hillary Clinton as we did for the entire 2016 campaign.

    That still makes me sick. The NYT helped kill her candidacy…and are responsible for this dangerous buffoon’s elevation to the highest office in the world. They colluded with evil and the whole world will suffer as a result. No words.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Yeah.

    I hope someone is investigating the NY Times. Baquet and his horrible Clinton correspondents, and the moronic public editor/Villager.

    Something is up there. Clearly Clinton Derangement Syndrome, but something else. It was too pronounced.

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    hilts says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I’d like to hear a reporter ask Trump why he can’t release any tax returns just prior to the years for which he’s being audited. It was disgusting that reporters did not hold this Jabba the Hut clown accountable for releasing his old tax returns or get him to explain how he could justify not releasing returns that are no longer under audit.

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    @O. Felix Culpa: Don’t forget they were instrumental in Bush II propagating his Iraq War lies with impunity too.

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    Calouste says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What did Rubio do?

    I think I read here yesterday that Trump is trying to oust the ally of Rubio that heads the GOP in Florida. Rubio might have been thinking about “First they came for the state party chairs…”

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    tobie says:

    @bemused: Someone on this blog — was it you, cmorenc? — has been saying that Trump’s support this election was wide but not deep and I think that’s true. Look at his truly disastrous approval rating according to the Quinnipiac poll, when he should if anything be enjoying a honeymoon right now. I’ve refrained from talking to acquaintances in deep red, Eastern Shore Maryland about the election, all of whom are Republicans, but I think I will broach the subject cautiously now. I can’t imagine they’re happy.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @schrodingers_cat: They didn’t learn, did they? It’s almost like they swallowed all the crap from government “insiders” again. Just as dubious facts, too.

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    rachel says:

    @jonas: Could that explain what’s going on with Trump and Taiwan too? Lets say that China gets Donald to pitch woo at the President of Taiwan who responds, which finally gives China a pretext for moving in in force. Is that possible?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @r€nato: He is such a repellent little shit. He has one button in front of him, it says “deep state,” and he’s been mashing it with his clammy little hands for 12 fucking years. Fuck him in the ear and out the nose.

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    Attapooch says:

    For the folks thinking that this is only about Trump’s sexual fetishes:

    – The memos claim that Trump and his team knew about the DNC hacking from the beginning.
    – The memos claim that the Trump Camp paid for the hacking.
    – The memos claim that Trump (through an intermediary) agreed to lift sanctions on Russia in return for a 19% stake in a Russian company.
    – The memos claim that the Trump Camp came up with a contingency plan to hide the hackers in case Clinton won.

    The golden showers thing is just a punchline, but there’s no way Trump can take the inauguration oath without perjuring himself. If only a fraction of the things in the memos are true than we’re talking about actual treason here.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @hilts:

    It’s amazing to me that the Trump returns never leaked.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Calouste: Rubio has been grilling Tillerson, hard. “Are you aware that people who oppose Putin end up dead?”

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    tobie says:

    @hilts: Absolutely. And they should ask him to release the audit notification letter, too. I’ve never actually believed that he’s under audit and have been amazed that the press didn’t ask for some verification. The one time this question was posed, serial liar KA Conway said it was “badgering.”

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Kay: The NYT could _easily_ run a story about how the rumors “raise questions” and “cast shadows” and all that shit. Fuck Dean Baquet in the ear with Glenn Greenwald.

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    Elizabelle says:

    It is incredible to me that we are going from Barack Obama to this detestible jackhole.

    Thanks, Red [State] America!

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Something is up there. Clearly Clinton Derangement Syndrome, but something else. It was too pronounced.

    One does wonder. The NYT vendetta against HRC goes beyond reasonable norms. But then, reasonable norms are so yesterday.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Sigh. Yes, that travesty/tragedy too.

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    Calouste says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Sounds like he indeed had a “First they came for…” moment of enlightenment.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: It’s just been too pronounced.

    I wonder if we will ever hear. Maybe from somebody inside who’s had enough, or is on the way out.

    I hope that the marvelous David Cay Johnston is shaking his sources to the ground. On this and other issues. Former Times guy. Solid reporter.

    Some of it smacks of the Times top guys being bullies. They were beating on Hillary as hard as they could, because they thought she was going to win. And they’d be safe in doing so. But they actually helped take her down. Even rock gives way, after time.

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    Has the Senator from Vermont made any statement about the Russian interference.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Calouste: He’s just a smarmy, unprincipled asshole who sees an opening, is all. But I’m enjoying it.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Comedy gold!

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    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    Best one I saw this morning on Facebook:

    It is unbelievable that in 2017 the CIA is still trying to overthrow yet another democratically elected Russian affiliated strongman in a banana republic located in the Americas.

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    @Kay: Knocking Clinton and Obama is pretty much all they have to defend themselves with. I put on my Mom Hat and say, “We’re not talking about Jimmy from up the street. We’re talking about you and your friend.”

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    hilts says:

    @tobie:

    I agree regarding the letter. Trump is an unprecedented liar and I will never accept a goddamn thing he says on faith alone. This guy lies with an ease with which normal people breathe.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Kay:

    Except when we’re pursuing our weird, unprofessional vendetta against Hillary Clinton as we did for the entire 2016 campaign.

    They vanquished that foe, I must say! If only they showed the same prosecutorial zeal regarding the NY real estate developer.

    Yes. Kay. Could you believe that bullshyt?

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    Calouste says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Oh, I don’t think it is about anything more than his own survival, or his future presidential prospects. But it shows an unexpected awareness.

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    @Gin & Tonic: More like a farce that has turned into an epic tragedy.

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    ruemara says:

    @schrodingers_cat: Besides, “Thanks”? No.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Aleta:

    You think the fact that the president-elect has been compromised by Russian state security is just a distraction?

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    Yoda Dog Democrat says:

    @Kay:

    Michael Calderone ‏@mlcalderone 3h3 hours ago
    Baquet says NYT didn’t run Trump docs because “we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by”

    What the fuck. Goddamn fuck them. Fucking burn down the whole fucking village already. Every fucking hut needs a fucking torch put to it today and tomorrow perhaps we might be able to have nice things again.

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    zhena gogolia says:

    @Kay:

    I wrote to him this morning asking why he’s betraying his country.

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    fuckwit says:

    @low-tech cyclist: it was in fact pitched, and greenlighted, and got made and released. it’s called “idiocracy”, by mike judge. should be required viewing.

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    Aleta says:

    @PaulW: I thought his speech was wonderful, amazing. Even so, Tr’s corrupt heart has managed to divert press attention.

    And even though I’m very very happy to see any exposure of T’s corruption, I’m uneasy about how the new focus for his press conference will upstage other important questions. It’s just so familiar wrt how he has manipulated the press so far.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @rikyrah:

    The Spooks are not playing with him.

    That framing feeds left-wing paranoid fantasies about The Deep State. It’s never a good idea to incentivize people to run from reality.

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    cmorenc says:

    @tobie:

    was it you, cmorenc? — has been saying that Trump’s support this election was wide but not deep and I think that’s true.

    Yes, I said that. A further takeaway from that observation is that it isn’t necessary for us to reach but a very modest portion of Trump voters to see the light and switch teams – flipping as few as 5% of Trump voters would cause a profound shift in presidential electoral dynamics, because flipping a voter creates a net change of 2 votes (one less from one side, one more for the other), whereas turning out a less motivated would-be supporter only adds one to your total. IN OTHER WORDS, even if 90% of those who voted for Trump are hopelessly unpersuadable (I think it’s more like 50-70%) – we have plenty of persuadable material to work with.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @cmorenc: That’s good news.

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    manyakitty says:

    @AlbertZ: Spoilers, sweetie.

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    No One You Know says:

    @Humboldtblue: Yep. Trump is the new Hillary, and news articles about him are the new “emails.”

    A Roman bread and circus, sans the Pax Romana.

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    Feebog says:

    @cmorenc:

    Even more important IMO, is to convince those that did not vote in this election that this shit really matters and they need to get off their dead ass and vote. Plus, recognize that Republicans have put very real and substantial roadblocks to voting in many states and work to minimize that impact.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @Attapooch:

    For the folks thinking that this is only about Trump’s sexual fetishes:

    and etc. Wow, having read it finally. (The OCR version sucks, unfortunately.)
    I was wistfully hoping for something like this. Sweet chaos looms.

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    Neldob says:

    Trust, but verify. Let’s see the tax returns.

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    George says:

    @Schlemazel: I’m late to the game with my comment, but I want to say that I’m heartened to see that someone GETS IT.

    Anyone who gives a damn–about America, about democracy, about democracy in America–will continue to use the opportunities presented to us to belittle Trump and his minions. We need to focus on the fact that 2.9 million more people voted for Clinton and finding ways of building on that lead next time and overcoming the quirky electoral college.

    At this point, whiners and defeatists serve no purpose.

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