Angry River

We’ve had really weird weather the past few days- super cold, snow, a melt, then freezing rain and pellets, then it warmed up to upper 50’s, then freezing rain and cold right now, so there is a lot of flooding in my current location. I thought I would take some pics and share it with you all.

Here’s a map of Bethany:

As you can see, the Buffalo Creek loops around the town, with a major change in elevation between the creek and the center of town. Here’s an image in the summer that shows what the creek and town looks like. I’ve labeled it, with my current house (BJHQ), the new house, and the parents house:

The creek is usually really low, with some fishing holes here and there, but usually just a lazy, slow moving bit of water. NOT TODAY. If you look at the legend, you will see some numbers. Here are pictures 1, 2, and 3 from the bridge on the east end of town, with the picture facing north, northeast, and south, respectively:

Here’s picture number 4, which is about 400 yards to the east, looking back at for a westward view of the bridge where pictures 1, 2, and 3 were taken:

If you look in the lower right hand corner, you can see where I took the other two pictures at the town park, facing east and southeast, respectively:

We haven’t had flooding like this since 2004. No one is in danger or anything, but I always find winter flooding to be really menacing and simultaneously fascinating, so I thought I would share.






157 replies
  1. 1
    Mike J says:

    That field looks lie a great place for a car to sit for a few months.

    Stay safe.

  2. 2
    Lee says:

    @Mike J: Shots Fired!!! LOL

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    Schlemazel says:

    I assume being in a valley that rain & melting snow would cause angry rivers often. Stay dry!

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    Pogonip says:

    Is that Subaru Field?

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    rikyrah says:

    I wish you all nothing but safety. Will send positive thoughts and prayers.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    John, I hope you, your family, and everyone’s pets stay safe and warm and dry.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    P.S. Nutcracker was fun. Interesting choreography, new to me (although not new). Grigorovich rather than the more familiar Petipa.

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    That looks scary. What an odd time of year for flooding.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    What an odd time of year for flooding.

    Proof of a Chinese hoax.

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    EBT says:

    At least the boat in the next to last shot should be ok?

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    Mothra says:

    It’s spitting sleet in middle Tn and was 67 and stormy last night with a power outage.

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    Manyakitty says:

    Wow. I was in Caldwell, Ohio (near Zanesville) yesterday and the temperature rose 25 degrees from when I got there around 2:30 and left around 5. On my way back to Akron, it rained, sleeted, snowed, and drizzled with the temperatures fluctuating and lots of fog. Many creeks and streams looked like swollen, and one big problem with winter flooding is the resultany ice. That stuff gets in everywhere, expands, then all that melt water soaks in.

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    Pogonip says:

    @Mothra: Yesterday we had snow, rain, sleet, thunder, and freezing rain, in that order.

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    donnah says:

    We just got home from visiting family in Beckley, WV. Also had weird weather, with freezing temps Friday, hitting the fifties on Saturday, then dropping again Sunday. It was snowing when we got home to Dayton.

    Relatively small family get-together, but fortunately we are all anti-trump, so we allowed ourselves an hour of griping and wailing, then decided to back off and put it aside so the holiday could be pleasant and non-political. And it was.

    Lots of flooding along Rt35, fields, rivers, and streams pretty high. The weather is wacky. We won’t have snow for Christmas, but I don’t know what else to expect.

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    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    That river is lazy, not angry. It’s goldbricking and letting the water pile up. Sad!

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    Yarrow says:

    When it floods in WV it’s bad. So many mountains, towns built close to the rivers in narrow hollers. That water just rushes right through. Stay safe, John. Looks like your new house is much closer to the water than the current BJHQ.

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    Garbo says:

    John, It looks like you can access your parent’s back yard from the backyard of the new house, is that so?

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    lgerard says:

    Don’t read David McCullough’s book on the Johnstown Flood.

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    Central Planning says:

    @Pogonip: we had thunder snow a few days ago.

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    Another Scott says:

    @Yarrow: Yup. I used to take US-48 from NoVA to Ohio at least once a year. The route would follow various streams and rivers and you could see that it wasn’t at all uncommon for the water level to be ~ 20′ higher than its “resting” level. Scary stuff. When they converted it to I-68 some of the scary areas were bypassed, but one can still see the power of the water if you look.

    Stay safe, JC.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Mart says:

    @Central Planning: Thunder snow is awesome. When Chicago got 20 inches a few years back, I was in a hotel’s top floor bar pounding the tables with a bunch of other folks shouting “thunder-snow”. Think we were trying to make happy thoughts as we knew we were screwed come morning.

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    cmorenc says:

    A week after Hurricane Matthew hit the coastal areas near the border of SC and NC, we passed through the area between the Lumber (Little Pee Dee in SC) and Waccamaw Rivers (Mullins-Loris-Longs, SC along SC hwy #9) on our way to check out possible damage to our house in Sunset Beach, NC. We passed by a ranch-style house with a 16-foot boat tied up afloat to a post on the front porch – with the porch and main living floor of the house flooded to window-level on the house. The foundation of that house would be a good seven or eight feet above normal river level, and the porch-level two to three feet above that. I would have very much liked to have stopped to take a picture of the boat tied up to the porch, so startling was the image, but there was no un-flooded shoulder on the road to pull off onto. We also passed by trailer parks where the mobile homes were flooded 2/3 of the way up to their rooflines. Had we come by just a couple of days earlier, the highway itself would have still been impassible due to flooding, and it had just receded enough that the water was a bare foot or so below road level for miles.

    What was weird was that the extent of wind and flood damage from the storm was far more severe in a belt 10 to about 20-25 miles inland than it was on the immediate coast out on our barrier island- we had some very minor, easily repairable damage to some fiberglass sheeting that sheltered the upstairs porch of our house from rain. Our next-door neighbors (who are permanent residents) said the causeway to the island flooded underwater a couple of feet during the 3 hours or so at the height of the storm, but the flooding never reached our house or theirs.

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    trollhattan says:

    This is why we kept paying flood insurance premiums through five years of drought –the water inevitability returns.

    Stay dry; stay safe.

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    AJ says:

    Looking at that aerial picture, I think I found the mustard!

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    HinTN says:

    @Mothra: There ain’t nothin’ recently unusual about thunder snow around these parts. Clearly it’s Al Gore’s fault. Nor has there ever been anything unusual about water gettin’ up around here. Went canoeing one time on a feeder creek to the Tennessee river. Good running water and cornstalks hanging in tree limbs fifteen feet over my head.

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    MomSense says:

    We went from minus 20 something Friday to plus 20 something yesterday and snow. Now it’s almost 50 and raining. It’s like a slip and slide on ice out there. Tonight it is supposed to drop to 9 so tomorrow should be a frozen nightmare.

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    satby says:

    Hope that’s as high as Buffalo Creek gets, and that it starts to recede soon.

    I got my car unwedged from being sideways in my driveway and pulled it back into my normal parking space in front of the garage, but the ice storm last night turned the previous snow into a two inch thick layer of ice in most spots, then another inch of snow fell on all of that. It’s going down to -13 tonight, so I bet I have to take a cab to work tomorrow.

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    Mai.naem.mobile says:

    ly,kKK8http://www.l.com/news-health/20161217/drug-firms-poured-780m-painkillers-into-wv-amid-rise-of-overdoses

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    PIGL says:

    @raven: bob wills. Used to close my Saturday night radio show with that, back in the day.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    I can sympathize on the water; we live two blocks off the “mighty” Charles (all of it uphill, natch) and the last major flood was in spring 2009, when it covered Pleasant Street just below us. Now with all of the construction in the “Pleasant Street Corridor” a flood is guaranteed to actually damage something.

    Of course, last summer’s drought had nothing going over the Watertown dam. The herons all flew upriver. The gulls flew to the harbor.

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    germy says:

    @trollhattan: I pay for flood insurance with FEMA. Is FEMA one of the things going away?

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    Yarrow says:

    @germy: Nobody knows yet. But yeah, probably. Why not? Why should the Federal Government be involved in Emergency Management? States rights! Why should all those red states have to pay for godless liberals? Let them bootstrap their way out of that hurricane, earthquake, flood. And if they can’t? God’s will.

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    germy says:

    @Yarrow: I feel like a lot of people are currently rubbing their hands together in anticipation of picking my pockets.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @germy: I assume they will keep the FEMA camps open. Got to a place to lock up opponents of the NWO.

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    It’s like 47 degrees out and I’m thinking about wearing a hat.

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    debbie says:

    @germy: I’m sure your very kind and honest insurer will be happy to fill any gap left by FEMA’s demise /eye roll/

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    germy says:

    @debbie: I can think of many adjectives for my insurer. Kind and honest do not immediately come to mind…

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    germy says:

    @Yarrow:

    Why should the Federal Government be involved in Emergency Management?

    That sort of thing is best left to the churches.

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    Snoopy says:

    Gotta say, posting the house locations is really brave. Next thing you know, Michelle Malkin will be outside your house, looking for marble countertops.

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    debbie says:

    Trump hasn’t tweeted in 20 hours. That has to be some kind of record.

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    Yarrow says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Won’t they rebrand them as Tump Camps and have them run by the military?

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    Spanky (ex P-man) says:

    At 2:20 it was 62. I could hear the wind as it roared through a million trees to my west (hi Elmo!). It hit a couple of minutes later. At 2:30 it was 48. It’s now 40, but at least the wind and rain have subsided. A little (as the wind rattles the window).

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    Yutsano says:

    @Yarrow: “Posse Comitatus? Isn’t that what I did to the intern last night?”

    Sucker bet: Melania never moves to the White House.

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    NotMax says:

    Entering week 4 of rain storms some time (or times) every single day and night. Held off enough yesterday afternoon (as in a break from being heavily overcast and threatening) to allow me to get some mowing done on the most jungle-y parts of the property.

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    Mike J says:

    Is that a river of drugs?

    The trail of painkillers leads to West Virginia’s southern coalfields, to places like Kermit, population 392. There, out-of-state drug companies shipped nearly 9 million highly addictive — and potentially lethal — hydrocodone pills over two years to a single pharmacy in the Mingo County town.

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    NotMax says:

    @Yutsano

    Rerun link for most but you didn’t seem to be around at the time and might find this a bit of fun. No tubas, though.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @germy:

    When Davy Crockett was in Congress, he said that gubmint disaster relief was for pu55ies and f***ots. When FEMA is closed, you’ll have to rely on the megachurches to supply some fatback and bags of beans, so long as you hang around quite a bit to hear some words about the infinite kindness, mercy and tenderness o’ the risen Personal Lord and Savior Jesus Chraaaast. Failure to accept or listen much that word might lead the merciful to stop aiding you and for that merciful, loving deity to damn you to eternal, everlasting torment in hellfire.

    Gimme a hallelujah…

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    Mary G says:

    Wow. We were madly bitching about it being so bitterly cold here last night. It was 43 degrees. You are so much tougher than I am. Everybody stay safe. Make sure you have flood insurance, John.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Mike J:

    #MAGA

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    J R in WV says:

    Last night neighbors hosted their annual Winter Solstice dinner party. I wore a short-sleeved tee-shirt, expecting the house to be warm from the extra 25 people and an oven going all day. I took a nice long-sleeved hoodie with a full zipper as my jacket.

    We lounged on the porches til past 1 am, and I only wore the sweatshirt off and on. It was a lovely evening, great people, old-time string band music being played in the front room of the house all night, people passing around banjos and fiddles, two different stand-up bass fiddles.

    The food was great, I munched all night. We took a cooler full of mostly non-alcoholic drinks, which was great as later on people wanted refreshing drinks w/o alcohol and that’s what we had, fizzy water with nothing but a tiny dash of fruit flavor in it.

    I baked a pineapple upside-down cake, which is a challenge every year, my recipe is for a 9-inch pan, and I use a 14-inch iron skillet to bake in. So I scale everything up nearly double, but some ingredients don’t scale the same as the flour. It takes experience and creativity to make it come out well.

    We also got breads at the local home-style bakery in Charleston the day before, foccacia, a big country-style loaf for sandwiches with the big ham and turkey, and a christmas-bread called stollen which was a huge hit.

    Between the music, the food, the drink, and the neighbors, whom we have known now for over 40 years, it was a great holiday evening. Plus we were under a mile from home on a one-lane dirt road, so driving home felt safe.

    There was a little political carrying-on, especially towards the end of the evening. We were unanimous about the election, so there wasn’t any back and forth about who we hoped would have won.

    Disbelief in what is in store for us.

    No flooding around here. But we have had some recently, which leads to a funny story. Going to town last week for wife’s physical therapy appointment at 1 pm. Left pretty early, which was a good thing.

    On the main road out of the hollow, there was a dump-truck full of riprap rock and a big excavator, they were packing the large stone into the roadbed under the road, where it was undercut by a flood last summer. It is a paved road, but narrow one lane, and the equipment had it completely blocked.

    So I turned around and headed down the creek, taking the longer trip around the mountain we had intended to climb, a twisty and slower drive all around. There was an excavator in the middle of that road, and they had dug a trench across the road to place a new (larger!) culvert, which was going to be another hour or two.

    SO… we turned around, and headed down the Coal River, an altogether not the way to town drive, heading north while our destination was NE from home. We got to town on the big Kanawha river by about 12:30, and stopped to cal the PT shop to warn them we might be late on account of multiple construction projects.

    I made it by 1:01, so pretty good work if I do say so myself.

    Got the full set of tortuous therapy in once again. She’s doing very well with rehab.

    The weather is the only thing stranger than the politics! Even if it is a hoax!

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    Yutsano says:

    @NotMax: Whoa…those are definitely some out there saxes!

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: Someone hid the phone before SNL.
    They might have him on sedatives, since yesterday he was inventing not only new words, but a new language.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yutsano:

    Sucker bet: Melania never moves to the White House.

    She seems, understandably, to be much more supportive of Barron than she is of her husband (or that her husband is of Barron, for that matter). And Barron, going just by face-reading and body language, DOES. NOT. WANT. TO. LIVE. IN. WHITE. HOUSE.

    They might come visiting one weekend sometime, but I agree, I don’t think they’ll ever move in.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    It got into the upper 80s today here in West Central FL. It’ll be in the 70s and 80s all week. I’ve only had to dig out a sweater once this fall. I’m not complaining, but that’s definitely not normal.

    Stay safe, Cole.

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    D58826 says:

    @debbie: Vald the Impaler must be beside himself over the success that the hacking (at what every level) has had. The GOP is falling all over themselves to blame it on Obama and/or the intelligence agencies. On Huffington Rancid Pubis said that der Fuhrer would listen to the CIA when they proved to his satisfaction that they were telling the truth. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ddfd8d3dad)
    So here we are the PEOTUS and all of the conservative patriots willing to believe Putin over our IC. Critter King (the NY ‘reasonable’ one) is claiming that Brennon has done a hit job on der Fuhrer. Funny they didn’t mind when Comey was issuing e-mail press releases.

    Putin has really gotten his dime’s worth out of this little exercise.

  57. 57
    Mary G says:

    @Mike J: The LA Times had a gobsmacking article about misbehavior by one of the companies that makes oxycodone back in June.

    The doctor began prescribing the opioid painkiller OxyContin – in extraordinary quantities. In a single week in September, she issued orders for 1,500 pills, more than entire pharmacies sold in a month. In October, it was 11,000 pills. By December, she had prescribed more than 73,000, with a street value of nearly $6 million.

    At its headquarters in Stamford, Conn., Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin, tracked the surge in prescriptions. A sales manager went to check out the clinic and the company launched an investigation. It eventually concluded that Lake Medical was working with a corrupt pharmacy in Huntington Park to obtain large quantities of OxyContin.

    “Shouldn’t the DEA be contacted about this?” the sales manager, Michele Ringler, told company officials in a 2009 email. Later that evening, she added, “I feel very certain this is an organized drug ring…”

    Purdue did not shut off the supply of highly addictive OxyContin and did not tell authorities what it knew about Lake Medical until several years later when the clinic was out of business and its leaders indicted.

    By that time, 1.1 million pills had spilled into the hands of Armenian mobsters, the Crips gang and other criminals.

    A Los Angeles Times investigation found that, for more than a decade, Purdue collected extensive evidence suggesting illegal trafficking of OxyContin and, in many cases, did not share it with law enforcement or cut off the flow of pills. A former Purdue executive, who monitored pharmacies for criminal activity, acknowledged that even when the company had evidence pharmacies were colluding with drug dealers, it did not stop supplying distributors selling to those stores.

    Corporations have already taken over the country; the election just made it official.

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    The high today is still below zero. It’s -3 at the moment.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    She looks at Twitler like he’s toe fungus.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @D58826: Did you see SNL? They’re openly mocking Hair Furor as Putin’s puppet and his cabinet as Russian stooges. The beauty is you know Hair Furor was watching and seething! No tweets, AFAIK.

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    D58826 says:

    @debbie: He’s BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK. 16 minutes ago a tweet about how all ofthe Hillary losers are calling him names

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/810604216771284992

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    Emerald says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Yep. But it’s normal! It’s all completely normal.

    Nothing to see.

    Just turn your eyes away from that Putin behind the curtain and all hail the great and powerful Oz.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @D58826: ShitGibbon sez wut?

    ETA: Just back from the LA meetup brunch.

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    catclub says:

    @Yutsano: Yes, those are great.

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    debbie says:

    @D58826:

    Poor precious.

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    Yutsano says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: This will mean a complete refit of the Trump Tower headquarters to meet Secret Service living standards. All paid to (and to the benefit of) the Trump company. This scam just gets more rotten as it goes on.

    And his supporters don’t care because their tribe won. And the Republicans in Congress don’t care because he’ll sign anything they want.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Botsplainer:

    She looks at Twitler like he’s toe fungus.

    She wouldn’t be wrong.

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    D58826 says:

    and who would have guessed

    Rex Tillerson, the businessman picked by Donald Trump to be the next US secretary of state, is the long-time director of a US-Russian oil firm based in the tax haven of the Bahamas, leaked documents show.

    Is it time to turn in our US passports and get Russian one?

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....;ocid=iehp

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I just saw a guy in a wool peacoat and a hat crossing the street here. It’s about 65 degrees.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yutsano:

    This will mean a complete refit of the Trump Tower headquarters to meet Secret Service living standards. All paid to (and to the benefit of) the Trump company. This scam just gets more rotten as it goes on.

    I saw a piece in the past couple of days that Trump will not stay in Blair House in the days prior to his inauguration but rather in his own name-branded Trump International Hotel down the street. Same rotten scam. (No idea, of course, if the article was factual, and can’t remember now where I saw or heard it.)

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    D58826 says:

    @Yutsano: I saw a week or so ago that the leasing agent for the building has added secret service protection as one of the building amenities. I guess that will bump the rent.

    Unfortunately, in another article, most of the small businesses in the neighborhood are suffering declining sales because the security screen prevents the usual foot traffic along the block. But then der Fuhrer always did like to screw the little people.

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    Elmo says:

    @Spanky (ex P-man): Hi Spanky! I haven’t been around much, so I gather by the nym change that it’s over. I am very sorry for your loss if that’s the case.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    She seems, understandably, to be much more supportive of Barron than she is of her husband (or that her husband is of Barron, for that matter). And Barron, going just by face-reading and body language, DOES. NOT. WANT. TO. LIVE. IN. WHITE. HOUSE.

    Agreed. I don’t think they’ll move in. But that’s wrong. The country gives them the house to live in. It’s ready with the security they need. For their protection and to save the country money, they should move in. If it wasn’t in Barron’s best interests to move, then Dad shouldn’t have run. Period. I have sympathy for Barron – it’s not his fault and he’s just a kid. But not sympathy for Melania. If she wants to put Barron first and Donald won’t, she can divorce Donald and take care of Barron.

    If someone hasn’t already set up a website tallying how much extra it’s costing the country for Donald to run his transition out of Trump Tower, and not live in the White House when he’s president, that needs to be started right now. Add up the costs of extra security. The travel compared to all the trips of presidents in the last 30 years. How much more money does Donald cost us? I mean outside of any changes in policies, which are going to be terrible.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @D58826:

    Is it time to turn in our US passports and get Russian one?

    As I mentioned earlier, either in this thread or another, I attended the Bolshoi live in cinemas transmission of The Nutcracker earlier today. One of the things I like about all the Bolshoi events is that their host is a woman named Katerina Novakova (something like that) who is fluent in Russian, French, and English. I’ve been watching/listening to her six times a year for about four years now, and although I’ve never studied Russian and know maybe half a dozen words, I am actually beginning to have a vague idea of what she is saying before she provides the English or French translation. Not much, but a lot more than previously.

    I have no idea if that’s a Good Thing or a Bad Thing.

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    Baud says:

    @Yutsano:

    This will mean a complete refit of the Trump Tower headquarters to meet Secret Service living standards

    I would have thought Trump Tower would have already had hookers and blow.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    she can divorce Donald

    New title: The First Ex.

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    Baud says:

    @Yarrow:

    How much more money does Donald cost us?

    Less than Michele Bachmann believes Obama’s trip to India cost.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Agree 100% with everything you say in this comment, especially the part about doing a running total of what Trump’s selfish, unnecessary, egotistical personal living decisions are costing the American taxpayer. Get on it, WaPo!

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    germy says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I love the cinema transmissions. A great experience. But why couldn’t someone do a live transmission of Hamilton?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @germy:

    I expect they will before too long, if Fathom can come to agreements with the appropriate people.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Yarrow: Yes, but Obama golfed.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Considering how much the ShitGibbon sniffled during the debates, the later goes without saying.

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    germy says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Mnemosyne: It would have been nice while the original cast was still intact. Great for high school class trips. (when I was in high school they took us to Broadway to see 1776)

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    Mai.naem.mobile says:

    http://www.wvgazettemail.com/n.....-overdoses
    Tried to post this.earlier. did you see this John ?

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    D58826 says:

    @germy: When I was in high school we went to Valley Forge and got a t-shirt signed by General Washington:-)

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: So does the former.

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    NeenerNeener says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I wonder if Trump will be the first president to get divorced while “in the White House”. He’s already got younger girlfriends on the side and he was probably planning on trading up from Melania after he lost the election.

    ETA:
    I see I’m not the only one thinking Melania’s a short-timer now.

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    germy says:

    @D58826: I’m pretty sure he had Brian Epstein fake all those signatures.

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    germy says:

    Secretary of State pick Rex Tillerson is director of off-shore Russia oil firm

    The Russian-US partnership is based in the Bahamas due to a corporate tax rate of zero and a reluctance to share financial information and tax data.

    (center for public integrity)

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    Corner Stone says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    New title: The First Ex.

    Don’t you mean: The Third Ex ?

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    Botsplainer says:

    @germy:

    The corporate tax rate at zero and opacity are the big draws. I used to be an overseas agent in Anguilla. These arrangements are truly invisible.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    The twitter machine reports Zsa Zsa Gabor has died. I seriously thought she had died already. Anyhow,she was a few months short of her 100th birthday.

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    D58826 says:

    @Botsplainer: Which raises the question – will we know if he has truly divested himself of all outside financial interests? And who would be in charge of vetting his financial disclosure statements?

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    magurakurin says:

    @NeenerNeener: who needs Melania when you got Ivanka? Who better than your own daughter for a malignant narcissist? She’s young and his type…looks a lot like one of his former wives…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Botsplainer: Tell uzz moar…

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    raven says:

    @NeenerNeener: Short time means something else to some of us!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Here’s some pics of a Pack of Snarling Jackals*.

    *aka, today’s Balloon Juice meetup here in LA.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @NeenerNeener:

    You are decidedly not the only one thinking in those terms. Again, read the body language.

    Someone recently put up side-by-side gifs of Trump “embracing-not-embracing” Melania after his acceptance speech at the convention (he mostly just pecked her on the cheek and grasped her forearms to show dominance and keep her literally at arms’ length) and his creepy and inappropriate embrace of Ivanka after she introduced him in which he slid his hands down to her hips/butt and gave a couple of little pats.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Just back from the LA meetup brunch.

    Pictures. I know you took them.

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    Yarrow says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Ugh. That is so gross. Makes me ill thinking about it. After one of the debates, Tiffany did this practiced deflection of dear old dad as he came in for an embrace. She knew what she was doing. Telling.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Roger Moore: Just posted 3 of em.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Corner Stone:

    “The Third Ex” for Trump, but I was thinking more in terms of “First Lady,” “First Daughter,” “First Family,” etc.

    We’ve had, AFAICR, one First Lady who had been divorced before marrying her future-president husband (Betty Ford), and one president who had been divorced before marrying the woman who would become his First Lady (Ronald Reagan). If I’m forgetting any, please correct me.

    But I don’t think we’ve ever had a President divorce his wife while actually in the White House. Trump could, once again, make his own kind of history by upending the norms.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Had Andrew Jackson’s wife, Rachel, been divorced?

    My guess is that the Trump marriage is over, but for show. Body language.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    Was thinking about her, for some inexplicable reason, just a couple of days ago and wondering how much longer she could last. She and Eva (and to a lesser extent, Magda) were emblematic of women in a culture and an era that was all about (a) being gorgeous for and available to men 24/7, and (b) taking them for everything they had at every opportunity.

    If the Twitter rumours are true, RIP Zsa Zsa. You did it well.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    That’s me with my back to the camera. I HATE having my picture taken.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Had Andrew Jackson’s wife, Rachel, been divorced?

    Didn’t she pass away before he took office?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    She had either been divorced or had her previous marriage annulled, and the big scandal was that it might not have been done correctly, which would have made her a bigamist.

    Also, she died shortly before or after his election — I can’t remember which.

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    D58826 says:

    Please Please tell me this is a satire site like the Onion:

    Since Melania Trump won’t be officially moving into the White House until First Son Barron Trump finishes the school year in New York City, and since a First Lady will need to be present with Donald Trump at state dinners and other official functions, Ivanka — also the wife of New York Observer publisher Jared Kushner — will temporarily have the White House office normally reserved for the president’s wife. From the looks of it, Trump’s eldest daughter already has an agenda she plans to publicly advocate for (taking action on climate change, oddly enough), as is traditionally done for First Ladies since Eleanor Roosevelt. Her advocacy has been championed by her father.

    http://usuncut.com/politics/iv.....irst-lady/

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Her publicist has confirmed her passing, not a rumor anymore.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Had Andrew Jackson’s wife, Rachel, been divorced?

    Yes, you’re right, but she died after her husband was elected but before he was inaugurated, so technically was never “First Lady.” Good catch, though!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: I aim to please.😀

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    You know who’s still alive, last I heard? Olivia de Havilland. She’s well over 100 at this point.

    I myself know two different people who are 106 and still going strong.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Yarrow:

    Yes, I remember seeing that. She handled it as smoothly as she possibly could. Tiffany is no fool.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s been pointed out here before, there’s a reason Marla moved Tiffany across the country.

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    Germy says:

    @Mnemosyne: The guy who fell off the statue of liberty in that Hitchcock film is still alive, also.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Mnemosyne: And June Foray. And amazingly enough Alan Young.

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    Germy says:

    @Yutsano: Alan Young died this year.

    In May.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    there’s a reason Marla moved Tiffany across the country.

    Georgia girls ain’t stupid.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Germy:

    Alan Young died this year.

    So, Alan Old.

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    NotMax says:

    @Mnemosyne

    Also Baby Peggy.

    @Germy

    Norman Lloyd.

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    Yutsano says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I don’t think Melania wants to be First Lady at all. But something tells me she already knows telling her husband no with anything is a non-starter.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Apparently no one wants to risk a trump precedency (that was intentional). One of our cats has been missing since Friday; just found his body under my bed. Like, right under where my head has been the last two nights. Looks like an aneurysm; poor guy was only 7. C’est la vie, ou, pout être, c’est le mort. Quick cat funeral, then a drive to Memphis for a people funeral.

    I can’t wait for this year to end, but I’m terrified of what next year will bring….

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    Larkspur says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Ooh, thanks. Now we have to play Name That Jackal. Who’s who? And who is the gentleman on the left in the bottom picture, with the white long-sleeved shirt under a blue short-sleeved shirt, and what is it that he’s indicating is “that big!”?

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Steve in the ATL: My condolences on your losses. As exits go, it sounds like your cat had a good one. Like you, I’m leery of next year. And I know my birthday will suck: January 21.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Larkspur: That would be beloved commenter Ruckus.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I am so sorry, both on the cat funeral front and the people funeral front. What a totally sucky year this has been to be sure.

    I have one set of friends who had a baby three weeks ago, and my great-niece and her long time boyfriend just got engaged last night. Otherwise, I’m hard-pressed to come up with any genuinely happy news out of 2016.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Cubs World Series win is all I can come up with!

    ETA: and my sweet 3% merit increase. Thank you corporate America!

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    Larkspur says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Thx. Who is striped shirt man next to Ruckus, then red zip-front shirt man, then woman whose face is bisected by the green balloon string, the blue shirt man next to her, then two dark-haired women with glasses, the nearer one wearing a watch? If it’s not too much trouble, I mean.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Cubs World Series win is all I can come up with!

    I warned y’all about that being a sign of the Apocalypse when the Cubs were playing Dodgers, but did you listen, NO.

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    Larkspur says:

    Yesterday I helped corral a runaway puppy. Her people were chasing after her, and I surprised her by kneeling down in front of her and saying, “Hey baby dog!” and she came right over. Then an equally adorable little girl scampered over and scooped her up and said thank you very nicely. So that was a good thing that happened this year.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Larkspur: I’m not sure of all the jackals myself; red zip-front guy is valued commenter Roger Moore, woman whose face is bisected by the balloon string is OpieJeane and her husband is next to her, lady with the watch is Mnem.

    ETA: Homeless looking dude holding the black stick is your’s truly.

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    Larkspur says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: You’re the best. Thanks! It looks like a congenial if subversive pack.

    ETA: It’s a very fine stick.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: that can’t be right–I thought Roger Moore was much, much, much older.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Larkspur:

    what is it that he’s indicating is “that big!”?

    i’m about to eat dinner, so i’m going to assume he’s talking about a fish….

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Larkspur:

    “A congenial if subversive pack.” We should all be so lucky as to belong to such.

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    Larkspur says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Good call.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: What was the name of the woman between my husband and mnemosyne? I didn’t quite catch it.

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    Larkspur says:

    @opiejeanne: Hi opiejeanne! Looks like fun was had. Bill has not yet ID’d that woman, or the striped shirt man. We may have to wait till they self-identify, which may be never as the new threads keep popping up.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Larkspur: The striped-shirt man between Ruckus and Roger Moore is Cthulhu. Mr opiejeanne is next to me, and then a woman whose nym I didn’t quite catch was between him and mnemosyne.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Larkspur: I had a good time, was glad do finally meet so many people whose comments have kept me entertained for the past several years.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @opiejeanne: I’m not sure, I always miss a few of the jackals names/nyms at these events. (As I noted in my reply to your comments on Flickr)I really enjoyed meeting you and David.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I didn’t get to talk to you as much as I wanted. You’ve spent a lot of time really exploring Los Angeles, photographing bits of it that I’ve never seen. I wanted to hear what Ruckus was saying but the room was just noisy enough that I had trouble hearing him.
    Dave spent a lot of time talking to the woman next to him, and she did give her nym but I didn’t quite catch it… Dora? Nora? … Could that have been Nora Lenderbee?

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    Neldob says:

    Wow. I could be ‘that woman’! Nice.

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    Neldob says:

    And fun to meet you all too.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Neldob: Neldob! Not Nora Lenderbee.
    I am so sorry. There was just enough background noise that I couldn’t hear you very well. Should have asked you to write it down.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    So, Alan Old.

    Alan Not Getting Any Older.

    What?

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    opiejeanne says:

    It was 33 when we got back up the mountain, and it’s going down to 27 tonight. Back home in Washington it will be about the same. Up until today it’s been warmer in the mountains even with the snow then it was back home.

    It looks like we may get snow on Christmas Eve in Washington. Yay!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @opiejeanne:That sounds heavenly. My dad’s (adult) best friend had a farm outside Portland OR but I did not get a chance to visit for many reasons. I want to spend some time in PNW. Maybe one day.

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    satby says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Nice looking group! Hope you all had fun.

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    satby says:

    @Steve in the ATL: How sad! Condolences Steve.

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    Currants says:

    John, is this THAT Buffalo Creek? Remind me again that you’re totally upstream from any of those mines, please?

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    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @Currants:

    Linky no work. I fix. Buffalo Creek book.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Corner Stone: Come for a visit. Seattle is really great and we live just outside it.

    The mountain I referred to is not in Washington, it’s in California. We own a tiny old cabin near Lake Arrowhead, about 60 miles East of Los Angeles.

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    Larkspur says:

    @Neldob: Yay! We have a completely identified set of Juicers! Wish I could have been there. Another time, for sure.

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    Steve Gough says:

    Hydrologist here. Not sure if that’s what happened here, but you can get monster winter floods from rain on frozen ground, or even worse, rain on snow over frozen ground; the water cannot soak in and runs off to the nearest channel.

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