As we go to the judges scorecard it is important to remember we are scoring on a 10 point must system. The judges are looking for clean punching, effective aggression, and good ring generalship!
BREAKING: In NC Gov. race, GOP-controlled @NCSBE issues order re McCrory county protests. Congrats Gov-Elect Cooper! https://t.co/AIEwvsDmOc
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 29, 2016
What does this mean?
Counties that have removed voters from their counts based on the McCrory protests are instructed to add those votes back into their count. https://t.co/rpN5td6lOz
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 29, 2016
In short: the State Board has ruled that the McCrory protests about individual voters must all be dismissed. https://t.co/HgXXdnCwXx
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 29, 2016
Now we have to see if Governor McCrory tries some other tactic to maintain power despite the outcome of the North Carolina gubernatorial election.
Here’s the North Carolina State Board of Elections Statement:
STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA WAKE COUNTY BEFORE THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS IN THE MATTER OF: CONSIDERATION OF CERTAIN LEGAL QUESTIONS AFFECTING THE AUTHENTICATION OF THE 2016 GENERAL ELECTION ) ) ) ) ORDER THIS MATTER CAME BEFORE THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS (“State Board”) during a public meeting held November 22, 2016, upon the State Board’s own motion to consider certain legal questions affecting procedures and practices in the authentication of the 2016 general election. The State Board received briefing and heard oral argument from the Republican Party of North Carolina and Pat McCrory Committee, represented by Roger Knight, John Branch, and Brian LiVecchi; the North Carolina Democratic Party and Cooper for North Carolina Committee, represented by Kevin Hamilton (appearing pro hac vice); and the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, represented by Allison Riggs. After hearing from the parties, reviewing written briefs and public comment, and having reviewed relevant statutes and authorities, the State Board hereby orders the following pursuant to its authority under G.S. §§ 163-22(a) and 182.12:
1. The uniform application of law is necessary to ensure fundamental fairness in the administration of elections and to preserve due process for each voter.
2. Article 8 of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes (“Article 8”) provides the means by which one voter may challenge the eligibility of another voter. No voter challenge may be entered after the deadline or made indiscriminately. A timely challenge properly sustained against a voter who has cast an absentee ballot will result in the exclusion of that ballot from the canvassed results.
3. Article 15A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes (“Article 15A”) provides the means by which a voter may protest an election. A successful protest must prove the occurrence of an outcome-determinative violation of election law, irregularity, or misconduct. If a county board of elections (“county board”) finds a violation occurred affecting votes sufficient in number to change the outcome of a single-county contest, the county board must retrieve the ballots improperly cast and note the deduction in the abstract. If a county board finds a violation occurred that did not affect enough ballots to change the outcome of any single-county contest, the county board must forward its findings to the State Board. The State Board shall determine whether all ballots improperly cast are sufficient to change the outcome of any multi-county contest. If so, the State Board will order county boards to retrieve and discount affected ballots and revise its canvass.
4. A protest alleging the occurrence of an election law violation that affected votes sufficient in number to change the outcome of a single-county contest concerns the manner in which votes were counted or tabulated, and therefore such protest must be resolved prior to county canvass as required by G.S. § 163-182.10(a)(2). A protest that does not allege an election law violation regarding a sufficient number of votes to change the outcome of a single-county contest shall not delay the county canvass procedures since the county may not retrieve and discount such ballots. In no case shall the county board delay the timely hearing and decision on a protest timely filed.
5. A protest of election brought under Article 15A may not merely dispute the eligibility of a voter. Such a claim must be brought timely as a challenge under Article 8. Rather, a protest of election may include claims regarding the eligibility of certain voters only as evidence that an outcome-determinative violation of election law, irregularity, or misconduct has occurred.
6. The county board of elections shall dismiss a protest of election that merely disputes the eligibility of a voter. The county board shall instead consider the claim as a voter challenge brought under Article 8 after the election.
7. No county board may retrieve and discount a ballot cast by an unqualified voter unless a challenge was timely brought under Article 8, or the State Board or a county board has found that ineligible voters participated in numbers sufficient to change the outcome of the election. The latter finding may be based on a protest timely brought under Article 15A or pursuant to complaint or directive of the State Board under G.S. §§ 163-22(a) and 182.12.
8. County boards of election must preserve the due process rights of all voters, including adequate notice and a meaningful opportunity to be heard. If a protest brought under Article 15A includes claims regarding the eligibility of certain voters, the county board must provide notice of the protest reasonably calculated to apprise such voters of the pendency of the protest and afford them an opportunity to present their objections. Due process in the context of time-sensitive post-election protests may mean that county boards expedite notice mailings or reach out to affected voters by other means not ordinarily required under Article 8. At a minimum, county boards must provide written notice to affected voters by expedited delivery service, such that notice is received at least three days ahead of any such hearing.
9. If any county board of elections has retrieved and discounted any ballot in a manner inconsistent with this Order in its canvass of the 2016 general election, the county board shall amend its canvass to include the vote. No such re-canvass shall reset any statutory deadline otherwise associated with the canvass of votes.
10. Counties shall proceed to the canvassing of the 2016 general election consistent with this Order, which shall govern future elections unless otherwise directed by this Board.
This the twenty-eighth day of November, 2016.
_______________________________
A. Grant Whitney, Jr.,
Chair State Board of Elections
amk
VOTER FRAUD !!!
Baud
Great news. I’ll breathe fully once he is sworn in, however.
satby
Good. Unbelievable that the Republicans thought they could get away with such a naked power grab in spite of losing the election.
Corner Stone
Were black people voting again? Illegal voters!
Adam L Silverman
@satby:
You keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means…
Baud
@satby: Remeber, Coleman tried the same thing with Franken back in 2008-09. Delayed the Dems having the 60th vote in the Senate for several months.
PsiFighter37
@satby: They still could, technically – if McCrory tries to throw the race to be decided by the state House (which is run by the GOP). I don’t think they are that stupid, though – I’m sure everyone else knows that they would be first in the firing squad during the next election.
Methinks that McCrory has no choice but to concede in the upcoming days.
Corner Stone
Rep Tom Price to HHS. I don’t mean to sound gleeful but I can not wait until he bends over every Trump voter and fucks them with no lube applied.
Ok. Maybe a little Botsplainer-esque version of gleeful.
Corner Stone
@Baud: He didn’t try it. He did it. And we all got nicely fucked because of it.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Well, the recount itself didn’t overturn the election. But otherwise, agreed.
PsiFighter37
Trump back on Twitter yelling at CNN journalists that it’s their job to find his bogus accusations of voter fraud come true.
Jesus F. Christ. I hope there are some GOP voters in the Electoral College who are having a very hard look at their conscience right now.
Iowa Old Lady
@PsiFighter37: How presidential of him.
GregB
Hopefully this is the final flush fir McCrory.
Also re Trump. He sure is foolish to accuse NH of massive voter fraud.
Same Sec. of State since the early 70’s who gets renominated by Dems and Rep’s alike.
Baud
@PsiFighter37: Is that D elector from Washington still refusing to vote for Hillary?
dmsilev
@PsiFighter37:
According to TPM this morning, at least one Trump Elector has quit in a huff. But somehow, I don’ think appealing to the conscience of hard-core Republicans is likely to be all that productive.
Adam L Silverman
@PsiFighter37: Just the religious nut from Texas.
SiubhanDuinne
Is JPL around?
It’s official.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Yes. No word on the other Washington elector that was also threatening to do so.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@PsiFighter37: @Baud: an R elector in TX resigned because he couldn’t bring himself to vote for Trump, even ceremonially
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I highly doubt enough R electors will switch to make it an issue, but holy cow that’s despicable.
Boudica
So what were counts in NC for Trump v. Clinton compared to McCrory v. Cooper? Did people leave the president line blank? Or split their vote?
SiubhanDuinne
@Corner Stone:
Ah, sorry I missed this when I posted my comment @18 to JPL. Well, at least she won’t have Tom Price as her representative any more. (God only knows what hairball the GA GOP will cough up to replace him, but my money is on his wife Elizabeth.)
PsiFighter37
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, I read about that. What a coward, just like religious fundamentalists tend to be…running away from any semblance of responsibility if the going gets hard on their conscience.
Mai.naem.mobile
McCrory looks like such a douchebaggy weasel.Glad he’s done. Asshole.
Also too, Melanoma is suing the guy who did the YouTube video suggesting that Barron may be autistic. Not saying that calling Barron is autistic is right but this is just inviting other people to do crap like this for publicity.
schrodinger's cat
@amk: WTF is going on India with the currency nonsense? Its makes little sense to me. Your perspective?
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: they both stole it from Lizard People.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think Christopher Buckley said that he was giving up writing political satire because Trump’s election had made it redundant. That was before this whole Petraeus thing, which is just… I can’t even… there are no words
In fairness, I’ve been snarkily wondering what James Comey is thinking about SoS Petraeus, and someone on MSNBC earlier this evening played a clip of Comey testifying about Petraeus, and he was pretty clearly appalled.
Jeffro
@PsiFighter37:
And not resigning, like that one in TX…I was like OH NO DUDE STAY IN THERE AND VOTE HILLZ!!!
Anyway, that is where we ought to push for the next 3 weeks, please people! Push on the media, elected officials, write op-eds, do whatever you can: the EC is our last stop here and we only need 38 of them to be ‘faithless’ to stop this insanity right in its tracks.
Roger Moore
@PsiFighter37:
Even if they do, they’re likely to give their votes to Pence rather than Clinton.
andy
@Baud: Yep- we could have had the House version of the ACA, and a lot of the other hard work that the House did prior to 2010 wouldn’t have been for nothing. Those bastards delayed our Governor Dayton’s swearing in by many weeks with identical tactics.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’ve honestly been wondering about Comey these last several days.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s a pretty easy, low-hanging-fruit book waiting to be written right there: 101 Instances of IOKIYAR. We’d have to limit ourselves to ONLY ten instances of how “Clinton Rules” apply on top of that, of course, otherwise it’d get a little repetitive…
Maybe we should just start with Reagan’s “October Surprise” and go from there?
Corner Stone
@SiubhanDuinne: I’ve been crying with no shame ever since I saw your post about it. Do I mean so little to you?
HOO-HOO! HooOO hOOooo!
Mnemosyne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Too fucking bad, Comey. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. This was the result he chose.
Suza
After the war, if we win, I think that we need to make sure that everybody who voted for Trump never votes again. That will be the price of citizenship in the United Democratic States of America: the same punishment that felons get.
Suzanne
After the war, if we win, I think that we need to make sure that everybody who voted for Trump never votes again. That will be the price of citizenship in the United Democratic States of America: the same punishment that felons get.
amk
@schrodinger’s cat: modi has proved yet again his uneducated mind ‘trumps’ all. The idiot voters chose him and now everyone suffers.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: DOD has opened a new investigation into the Petreaus/Broadwell affair. They subject of the probe is who leaked that Broadwell had received the classified information from Petraeus. So its going to be in the news.
Timurid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Baud
I’m still in news blackout mode. Did something actually happen today with Comey and Petreaus?
Corner Stone
Learn how to tie a fucking knot you fucking garbage time motherfucker!
Jeffro
@Roger Moore:
True, but anything that puts Trump below 270 sends it to the House…and then all-out civil war ensues in the GOP (Pence? Trump? Kasich? who knows?) Anything that brings Trump’s odds of being sworn in next January below 100% is fine with me. A GOP civil war is a cherry on that sundae.
Also, there is an oddball way to plead to GOP Electors to vote for HIllz: she herself can publicly tell them (and the nation) that if they will vote for her in the EC in order to prevent Trump from wrecking the country, she’ll resign after being sworn in and leave everything to Kaine (and a VP of his choosing, presumably a moderate R). She’s already come to grips with not being president; what better way to save the country and unite (most of) it than to win by essentially ‘declaring victory and going home’?
John Revolta
@schrodinger’s cat: A lot of people are apparently hiding large amounts of cash to keep from paying taxes. Now they have to show what they have, or lose it.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: Wow, they really don’t want him in high office or command again, do they?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: P4 is being floated for Secretary of State. Comey used him as the example of someone who should be, and was, prosecuted for mishandling classified information, as opposed to Secretary Clinton, when he testified before the House Oversight Committee last summer.
bmoak
I’ll believe it when I see it. That North Carolina law seems pretty vague on the circumstances that allow the election to be thrown to the Statehouse. Even if the State Board of Elections rule that there was nothing wrong with the election, McCrory could still file a notice to contest the election because of alleged voter fraud or election irregularities, which would send it to the legislature.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman:
You sure?
Sure that Trump is not going to tweet out how his admin will fire off bottle rockets at the Chinese mainland every time a baby named Jose is born?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I knew that from before. The discussion here made me think something had happened today.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Timurid: Heh, I’ve been thinking of Tom Haden’s visit to Frankie Five Angels.
(SPOILER ALERT IF YOU’VE NEVER SEEN GODFATHER II– and if you haven’t, what the hell is wrong with you?)
Corner Stone
KellyAnne Conway has eyes that remind me of a cows eyes. Set flat and wide apart and with no light of intelligence inside them.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I have never seen any of the Godfoather movies.
I suppose I should remedy that one of these days, but I don’t like watching violence.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: I saw it earlier. As I mentioned before, he is the only doctor that was questioned by my insurance company because of self referral. I think he ran because he was pissed that there was a regulation to prevent that in the future. If his wife doesn’t run for the seat, there is a chance that it could go to a more moderate republican.
SiubhanDuinne
Just learned that a good friend of mine voted for the Shitgibbon.
I’m not sure I even can anymore.
tobie
@schrodinger’s cat: My understanding is that a good deal of real estate transactions in India occurs under the table. People get cash in very large denominations, and it’s precisely these denominations that are now being retired by the exchequer. Those holding onto cash from undeclared real estate transactions will either to reveal the full sales amount and pay taxes or say goodbye to their proceeds.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: I’m sorry.
Major Major Major Major
@SiubhanDuinne: Friendships have been ended for far, far less.
Roger Moore
@Jeffro:
It would be only Trump and one other; the 12th Amendment limits the choice to the top three in the electoral vote.
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
I think I’ve mentioned before, either here at BJ or maybe in person, that To ‘s wife Elizabeth was born in Canada and is a graduate of McGill University, so when I worked for the Canadian ConGen I got to know both of them pretty well. They are both nice, charming people in person but you couldn’t pay me to pull the lever by either of their names on a ballot for anything. I’m horrified at the idea of Tom Price in charge of a Cabinet department. Bye-bye, O-care.
EBT
@SiubhanDuinne: To quote my Inner Goon: Fucking Sever.
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: I assume “the electoral vote” doesn’t include the actions of faithless electors?
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
They’re somewhat violent, but not super-violent compared to current movies. A lot of scenes of people talking.
gene108
@John Revolta:
The implementation has turned into a mess.
schrodinger's cat
@tobie: I know the cover story, but what’s the real deal. Introducing volatility in the system by retiring the most used currency notes makes little sense.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
@Major Major Major Major:
This is a woman I genuinely like and admire. I hate that I need to reëvaluate everything I think I know about her. (In fairness, she may be doing the same thing vis à vis me right now.)
Miss Bianca
Yay!-ish?
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
Of course it includes them. The Constitution doesn’t say anything about how the electors are supposed to cast their votes; it doesn’t even guarantee that they’ll be chosen by popular vote rather than appointed by the State Legislature. From a Constitutional standpoint, the only thing that counts is how the electors cast their ballots, not how they made that decision.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: From what I understand the investigation isn’t into him per se, rather it is into:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b3211dd82f3b4504ac087cc5fbf4b174/us-investigating-leak-related-petraeus-case
As for his former peers not wanting him back, he has a mixed reputation. Those who worked for him and/or were close to him think very, very highly of him. Others think he’s a career suck up who’s first priority was always himself. He actually married the daughter of the West Point Superintendent, which makes him the punchline of the old Army jibe directed at someone speaking to highly of their commanding general: “are you dating his daughter?” So it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of folks don’t want him back in any position of authority.
Honestly, were it not for the Broadwell affair and the classified information mishandling, he wouldn’t be a bad pick. He definitely knows a lot, is highly educated. Is a smart guy. My bigger concern is that with LTG Flynn as National Security Advisor, putting P4 at State and Gen. (ret) Mattis at Defense would overly militarize US foreign and defense policy. I think Gen. Mattis is a very sharp individual, a strong strategic thinker. Despite what gets reported in the media, which is actually the result of some rightwing blogger’s fantasy fever dreams, Gen. Mattis’s nickname is the Warrior Monk. The former because he’s a hell of a war fighter. The latter because he’s very scholarly and studios and because he’s single/never married, which is unusual for a senior Marine.
(Full disclosure: I’ve met both GEN (ret) Petraeus and Gen. (ret) Mattis. The former when my BCT was transitioning into Iraq – he gave us a quick briefing as the Force Commander, he shook my hand, said hello, and moved on to the next person to do the same. The latter when he was the CENTCOM Commander and he came to USAWC to give a service award to one of my colleagues. Same thing: he shook my hand, said hello, moved on and did the same thing with the next person. Finally, I provided operational support to him and his command group at CENTCOM through the CENTCOM Command Sergeant Major at the time.)
Miss Bianca
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: WTF? Betrayus as SOS? Jesus chicken-fried Christ, you BLINK around here, you miss another sucker punch. (Gee, I say that like it’s a *bad* thing.)
Jeffro
@Roger Moore: Then it would be Trump, Clinton, and whomever else manages to snag a “faithless elector” in the Dec 19th vote (McMullin? Pence? Bernie?)
I still think an appeal could be made to some of these I-hate-Hillary-but-I’m-no-fan-of-Trump GOP Electors. Witness the TX guy who resigned today (AGGHH!). If he knew Hillz had pledged – publicly – to take the oath and immediately resign, leaving the government to Kaine (and presumably, VP Kasich), we might be in a very different place come January.
debbie
I can’t remember who I meant to reply to, but here’s another elector who doesn’t want to vote for Trump.
Miss Bianca
@Timurid: I don’t think the man has enough of a sense of honor or shame to consider such a thing. And I shouldn’t be quick to say, “I’d be glad to be proved wrong” – because, the way things have been going, the alternative as head of FBI would be so, so much worse even than him…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: I’ve read there’s a legal problem with appointing Mattis, a statute barring military personnel from going straight to the civilian leadership? The article I read kept repeating that there’s a “statutory obstacle”, but never said clearly what law it was. it did seem to suggest that it’s a law that could be easily overturned. The same article, and another I read, said that Mattis would be a very, very bad bureaucrat, he has no patience for it.
As for Petraeus, beyond the maddening beltway hypocrisy, and I mean more the media that held Clinton to a “prove your innocence’ standard than Republicans, I think Petraeus is preferable to any other candidates I’ve seen rumored, including Romney and especially crazy Rudi. I don’t know much about Hadley (?), who sounds a bit neo-connish but has the advantage of not being Rudi or the even fucking crazier John Bolton.
Miss Bianca
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve never seen *any* of the Godfathers. Altho’ I tried to read Mario Puzo’s novel when I was ten and gave it up. Despise me if you dare. //
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: That’s what I thought, I see now that I misread the OP.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Correct, there’s a law in place that states that retired uniform personnel cannot lead the Department of Defense. It has only been waived once for GEN Marshall. It was done through Congress and the legislation that did that indicated that the waiver was a special, one time waiver and did not create a precedent or otherwise change the statute prohibiting this. So there’s some question as to whether Congress could actually do another waiver or would need to actually repeal the law. The latter would be much harder than the former and it would be problematic as it would formally remove one of the formal, statutory barriers that promote civilian control over the military.
Miss Bianca
@Corner Stone: Cows are, for the most part, kind. Kellyanne is not. It is an insult to cows to compare the two.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Never! The movies are a lot better than the novel, IMHO. Coppola thinks so too. Great way to kill a rainy afternoon or a cold and blustery evening. Or both.
@SiubhanDuinne: There is some pretty graphic violence, but not beat you over the head with it. I couldn’t count how many times I’ve seen them. 3, only once, of course.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman:
Feature, not bug.
schrodinger's cat
@amk: Husband kitteh’s cousin is getting married this spring, we are thinking of going, although we haven’t committed yet. First Tamil Iyer wedding I will be attending.
It will be in Thane. My maternal grandmother’s family are among Thane’s oldest families. It will good to see them too.
Lizzy L
If Petraeus were offered the job, and if he were to take it, how long d’you think he’d last? I’ll say six months.
I’d take him over Rudy or Bolton any day.
amk
@schrodinger’s cat: Kanchipuram sarees. Yards and yards of it. You have been warned.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: As to State: Hadley was President Bush’s (43) second National Security Advisor. He did a very good job in that position, reestablishing the appropriate balance between the Interagency principals, which got completely out of whack under his predecessor Secretary Rice. My take has been that he’s on the soft side of the neo-Cons. He’d certainly be better, and he certainly has the experience the others don’t, than AMB Bolton or Mayor Giuliani. I personally think Governor Romney would be a decent pick. He’s travelled extensively outside of the US – for missionary work, for business, and for pleasure. He speaks French fluently, which gets you linguistic entre in a lot of places because its a secondary language as a result of colonialism. So significant parts of Africa, Indochina, etc. He also doesn’t need anything from the President-elect. He’s not been a hanger on through the campaign. He’s incredibly wealthy from a combination of both inheritance and his own work at Bain Capital (even if it was vulture capitalism). So its not like a lot of the folks circling the President-elect, either during the campaign or now in the transition – hoping to get something to reinvigorate a career, create opportunities for personal enrichment, or both.
schrodinger's cat
@amk: I have one too, a gift from my M-I-L . I will wear a Paithani then, just to stand out!and pearls instead of diamonds.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Perhaps. But I know that both GEN (ret) Petreaus and Gen. (ret) Mattis know that the military element of national power cannot get ahead of the diplomatic, economic, and/or information elements.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: P4? What stand for, if I may ask?
gene108
@amk:
Mrs. Cat is not the bride. She won’t be in the nine yard saree.
SiubhanDuinne
@Miss Bianca:
Glad it’s not just me. I did read the novel when it was first published, but was never tempted to watch any of the films. Yes, I know they are supposed to be among the greatest movies ever made. I’ll just suffer in my ignorance.
P.S. I have also never seen Seinfeld. Or The Simpsons. Or Game of Thrones. And I’ve never eaten a McDonald’s.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: GEN (ret) Petreaus was referred to as P4 for shorthand. P for Petreaus and 4 for 4 stars. Several other generals have been referred to in this type of way, usually when they get to 3 or 4 stars. Think I’ve seen one 2 star referred to this way. Never seen it for a 1 star.
amk
@gene108: Wrong. Everybody will be showing off. The occasion would call for it.
@schrodinger’s cat: Way to make MIL adore you.
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: What, never?? : )
ps *when* are you coming to Colorado, for all love? Or must I come to Georgia? Which I am willing to do – Atlanta area has many, *many* charms for my tastes – the puppet museum, the Western Martial Arts dojo guy, Museum Replicas, boar hunting on the southern shore… ; )
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Birthers of a feather, I guess…
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
The first one is something every writer should see if only because it’s one of the very few movies that has a reverse Hero’s Journey. Michael Corleone goes from being a decorated war hero to being someone who only cares about himself.
Don’t bother with the book. It’s crap.
Lizzy L
@SiubhanDuinne: I’ve seen one episode of Seinfeld, less than that of The Simpsons, I’ve not seen any of GoT, and I once ate part of a McDonald’s hamburger. Ewww. But Godfather I is truly one of the best movies ever made. Another is Kurosawa’s Hidden Fortress. If you haven’t seen it, I totally recommend it.
Chris
@Adam L Silverman:
I was satisfied with Romney as a least bad pick. Unlike Giuliani, he’s at least lived abroad. Unlike Gingrich, he didn’t write a thesis on the glories of Belgian colonialism. And unlike Bolton, he’s not Bolton.
I would definitely be inclined to put Petraeus ahead, though. Not crazy about him, but his experience dwarfs Romney’s easily.
SiubhanDuinne
@Miss Bianca:
No, never :-)
I think I won’t travel far while the snow is on the ground, but my sister in Aurora keeps urging me to come visit, so maybe this spring? I wouldn’t dream of planning a Colorado trip without checking in with you, TaMara, and other denizens of the Centennial State. But if you want to come to Atlanta in the meantime, I would gladly take you to the Museum of Puppetry Arts and the many other attractions we boast.
schrodinger's cat
@amk: Actually, she likes me because I stand up to her. She is like a force of nature.
SiubhanDuinne
@Lizzy L:
Thanks. I will consider G1. Know nothing about Hidden Fortress, but am willing to give it a try based on your recommendation. I’ll see if the library has it.
amk
@schrodinger’s cat: mil-dil dramas are legendary around here. in movies, teevee serials and in real life.
John Revolta
@gene108:
Nobody could have predicted this!!
schrodinger's cat
@amk: I don’t do drama. I just say no, if I can’t do something. She respects that at some level.
Lizzy L
@SiubhanDuinne: *hand on heart* I am honored by your confidence. If you do indeed watch either or both of them, let me know what you think. Any of the front pagers can give you my e-mail address.
Another Scott
@Miss Bianca: I’m not surprised that Petraeus is being talked about – he has been a talisman for the GOP (especially St. John McCain) for ages. I think Obama handled him well. I think Petraeus is fundamentally I’ll suited for a position in government now. He has shown that he has poor judgment and has been more interested in promoting his own career than doing the job. Giving his mistress classified info should be disqualifying.
I also don’t think that Trump and his minions are willing share the limelight, so I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen, either.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
Lizzy L
I just read the NYT article about Tom Price. He’s anti-choice, against marriage equality, wants to dismantle the ACA, and would be happy to get rid of Medicare.
He’s perfect.
dww44
@PsiFighter37: I know and I so agree. I hope I don’t invest too much hope in that possibility, though, cause I don’t want to wake up the day after December 19 feeling as bad as I did on November 9.
FWIW, though, I’ve kept a permanent link/bookmark in Firefox to the Popular Vote Tracker Spread sheet and check it several times daily Just now, Clinton’s margin increased to 2, 331 299 votes over Trump and her share of the total popular vote is now at 48.2 and Trumps is now at 46.4. Third party votes are now at 5.4% of all votes cast. Add the Clinton to the Third party vote and a clear majority voted against Trump. But we knew that didn’t we?
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: Will second “Hidden Fortress” and the delights of Kurosawa costume dramas in general. : )
Major Major Major Major
@Lizzy L: Definitely sounds like the sort of person I want involved in my hospital decisions.
dww44
@Roger Moore: As bad as that might be, at least, from the national security angle, I might at least sleep at night.
divF
@Lizzy L: Typical RW asshole MD, the kind who complains how Medicare’s limits on what he can charge geriatric patients denies him his God-given right to maximize his income. Which as an orthopedic surgeon, is already quite substantial.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Its very good. Its what Lucas cannibalized for Star Wars.
Lizzy L
@divF: As I said, he’s perfect for the Trumpists. For the rest of us, not so much. He’ll do a lot of damage. It’s a gift.
danielx
@Iowa Old Lady:
Given some of his feuds with former beauty queens and the like, it is presidential
offor him. Granted that’s not setting a very high bar, like maybe two inches.Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: that, too.
Roger Moore
@Lizzy L:
I’m not sure I’d classify Hidden Fortress as one of Kurosawa’s better movies, much less one of the all time greats of cinema. IMDB doesn’t even put it in his personal top 10.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: As opposed to just visiting Davie, FL, which is worth if for depictions of old New Yorkers!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@efgoldman: Coppola was on Fresh Air last week, and said the studio wanted it to be set in contemporary NYC to save money. Also they wanted, I think, Redford to play Michael, and Danny Thomas wanted to play Vito
Lizzy L
@Roger Moore: Fuck IMDB. It’s on my list.
satby
@schrodinger’s cat: @amk: It was a huge hassle while I was there, but generally most people I spoke to seemed supportive of the move as a way to force black market money back into the economy. I was surprised more people weren’t pissed off considering how impossible it was to get any cash. But it’s a week later, and the mood may have changed if it’s still impossible to get money out of ATMs.
Davis X. Machina
Price is your worst nightmare. His 220-page ACA replacement — or ‘replacement’ — simply does away with the Medicaid expansion. No replacement for it. 14 million people dropped from health coverage at the stroke of a pen.
satby
@tobie: they’re hiring street people to go in and exchange money for them. It’s crazy.
Lizzy L
@Davis X. Machina: Paul Ryan is dancing in the streets. These people are soulless.
Timurid
@Adam L Silverman:
I’d actually be pretty scared if Romney accepted. A very smart, well-informed and well-connected guy would be proclaiming “This is the way it is now and the way it’s going to be. Time to get on board.”
Steve in the ATL
@JPL: Brandon Beach is the least offensive idiot republican whose name I have seen floated. Was about to say “who could be worse than Tom Price?” but trump has destroyed that line of thought.