Stupidest response to a candidate from your party losing is “she deserved it.”
Uh, dudes, not about the effect on the candidate
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 10, 2016
Few who wanted Hillary to win so they keep expanded Medicaid or their mom won’t get deported thinking about whether Hillary deserved to lose
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 10, 2016
Apart from dusting ourselves off and preparing for the next four years, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
***********
Gail Collins, who’s been getting under Trump’s thin skin since the 1980s, has “A 10-Step Program for Adjusting to President-Elect Donald Trump“:
… 2) Acknowledge that Donald Trump is not crazy. Obviously, he has been known to act crazy in public. But if you met him at a private social occasion you would probably find him to be a fairly pleasant person.
I say that as someone who once got a letter from Trump telling me I had the face of a dog. But the next time I saw him at a lunch meeting he was fine. Told interesting jokes about how much money he got for product placement on his TV show. Obviously, this isn’t the equivalent of “Theodore Roosevelt reincarnated.” But we’re trying to work with what we have here…
6) When it comes to big domestic policy questions, to Trump they’re just applause lines or bargaining chips. Anything could go either way.
While that’s not necessarily calming, it’s better than assuming he actually believes all the stuff he says. What kind of program could he really, really get his heart and soul behind? The only thing I can imagine is a multitrillion-dollar Donald Trump Historic Biggest Ever Infrastructure and 50-State Golf Course Building Program.
7) About the election results: Don’t let people tell you that the vote proves half the American population is racist. There’s another reasonable explanation for Trump’s victory. In most presidential elections, people decide between change and continuity. Hillary Clinton was running to continue the Obama legacy. After a president serves two terms, Americans generally vote for change, and the other party’s nominee.
Yeah, I know — those people yelling the N-word or “Sieg heil!” at the rallies. But if you dwell on them, you’re not going to want to go out of the house anymore. Think of it as basically a change/no change election. Plus some deplorables rattling around the basket…
(There’s certainly a problem with internalized/institutionalized racism. Think of this as part of the root wisdom for political organizing: Despair is not a strategy.)
Baud
Feeling better after sleep and exercise. Still on non-BJ blackout.
For everyone who knows better how to win elections, prove it. There are three years of off-year and mid-term elections before we start the presidential primary again. Get your people elected, and we’ll see what works.
Linnaeus
Or, as I like to put it, despair is counterrevolutionary.
Corny, I know.
Comrade Jake
Gotta be honest, I can’t participate in any attempt to normalize Trump. I hope he strokes out before the end of the year as it slowly dawns on him how much work the office involves. And yes, I know that means Pence would be POTUS, and as much as that would suck, it’s still miles better than where we are.
Patricia Kayden
Isn’t it easy for Ms. Collins to make this generalization since it doesn’t matter to her whether half of the American population is racist or not? When do we stop making excuses for people who vote for racists?
Chris
Um, yeah… it’s a lot worse than people at Trump rallies yelling the n-word and “Seig Heil.” A lot worse.
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
khead
I told my brother that HE needs to the one to call our sister and tell HER about how the repeal of Obamacare won’t involve people with pre-existing conditions losing their health insurance.
Schlemazel
I think we have to demand he build the wall and start deporting 11 million people. Neither job is possible, both will be utter disasters. Forcing him to do that will destroy any momentum he may have coming in. Demanding the GOP privatize social security and change medicare into a voucher program will eat the GOP alive. If you live in a Republican district you should be writing your Congressthing every damn day demanding he keep his promises. The best way to kill these bastards is to make them do what they said they will do. All of it will fail badly, very publicly and destroy any sense of public support for them they might have.
Cacti
The insistence of white lefties on minimizing the overt racial hostility of the Trump campaign is…
disappointing.
Chris
This too (same thing as my other post, just more curated)
http://qz.com/833607/us-election-a-rash-of-racist-attacks-have-broken-out-in-the-us-after-donald-trumps-victory/?utm_source=atlfb
Robert Clouse
Nah. I am sorry. Fuck this. I refuse to normalize and reward this behavior. Despair at this point may not be healthy, but godammit, I am not ready to see the last 8 years just go down the memory hole because my right-wing uncle decided that he wanted to burn it all down. Too fucking soon
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Baud:
This, if you are feeling sick to your stomach, go excercise.
I will still add celebraty fan bois mixing with a dying politcal party. I mean there would be no way on earth the Democrats would let a guy switch from Republican and then be the nomine.
Well I guess this is something we can throw in the Republicans faces. “Were is our gold plated golf corse?”
brendancalling
“We ought to give anybody a second chance, even if it’s Donald Trump. “We now are all rooting for his success,” said President Obama.”
No. No, we are all NOT rooting for his success. Not after 8 year of obstruction. Not after 8 years of “make him a one term president”, and certainly not after Trump’s own birther nonsense.
I just cranked out a video of the racist and sexist attacks Trump’s supporters are dishing out in celebration, many against children.
“Second chance”? Fuck that: when people show you who they are, believe them the first time.
Cacti
@Chris:
The morning after Trump was elected, I predicted a spike in hate crimes.
Just expressing their economic anxiety, I guess.
Brachiator
Voters explain themselves
From BBC News Hour audio
And another audio clip:
Voters in West Virginia explain why they voted for Trump
brendancalling
@khead: make him do it, and don’t let up til he does. Do it at thanksgiving, put his ass on the spot.
Shell
Color me crazy, but Id prefer a president where I have a slight confidence in believing some of the things he says, instead of every interview or press conference being an episode of “Whose Line Is It Anyway?”
And speaking of interviews, Trump to give his first on 60 Minutes this Sunday. Definitely giving a pass on that.
SatanicPanic
@Patricia Kayden: Amen, they might not be jerks in real life, but they voted for a racist man who will implement racist policies. They own that.
Brachiator
Also, did this get noted earlier?
Love that Notorious RBG
Davis X. Machina
It’s a helluva fashion statement, though. Got to concede that…
jacy
Trump is a narcissist. Full Stop. Doesn’t matter if you call that crazy or not crazy. He doesn’t believe in ANY policy. He believe in Trump. I’m not scared of him, I’m scared of the Republicans and the policies they will try to enact. I, for one, believe Pence is much more dangerous than Trump. Trump’s an idiot, practically speaking. My hope is that because he’s an idiot, he’ll inadvertently fuck up the Republican plans to send us back to the dark ages.
As for not believing that half the country is racist — fuck that noise. Evidence not apparent.
I’m praying this administration is a shitshow uniquely marked by infighting, backbiting, and general disarray. It’ll be messy, but less permanent damage.
schrodinger's cat
No TV or no news for me until the end of the week. Instead I am going to focus on things I have control over, like unpacking and cooking for the next week.
D58826
from a reuters article
Kind of scary when you consider that Trump have very little GOTV in most states.
Article also talked to folks up in the Joe Biden part of Pa. and they felt Hillary was status quo and they were willing to risk trump for change. Now it’s true that Hillary would have been Obama’s third term but she had her own set of plans that she wanted to implement. Total GOP obstruction of Obama and the assumed obstruction of Hillary made it almost impossible to change anything. So the GOP strategy worked brilliantly. And now with control of both ends of Penna. ave they can pass all kinds of legislation (bad though it might be) and say see the system works. And if the democrats filibuster in the senate they will be blamed for being the obstructionists. It just amazes me how it continues to work.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/insight-how-hillary-clintons-white-voters-melted-away/ar-AAk9sHB?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Robert Clouse
I am from Martins Ferry Ohio. When I was a kid that area was ground zero for Reaganomics and the so-called Reagan revolution. The 80s devastated jobs in the area and they never came back. We moved south, just like so many people did in the 80s, just to survive. I wish the best for my brothers and sisters in the Ohio Valley, but come on. This ain’t about economics. It never was.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Schlemazel: Starting today to the Rep.
Schlemazel
@jacy:
We have to hope for infighting and general failure. The alternative is a “successful” Trump maladministration that will make us long for Boy Blunder & 2001 again. Push them, make they try to do what he promised he would do. The Dems in Congress should vote against but never obstruct the worst things they want to do. It will be painful for 4 years but it ill be the death of the GOP. Much of what they say they will do is impossible do encourage them to try
WarMunchkin
I don’t blame Hillary Clinton one bit. I admire her tremendously, and I wish her the best. Lord knows that woman has been through enough hardship for several lifetimes. I do, however, blame a lot of the Professional CenterLeft who work as part of Democratic policy organizations and think tanks (some of whom are colleagues of mine), who are paid handsomely for nothing. They’re Democratic, so nobody will call them grifters, but they messed up.
socraticsilence
it’s started
Gotta say Zack (in the article) has a point.
Kryptik
@SatanicPanic:
Not being a racist, but tolerating racist rhetoric because ‘his economic plan speaks to me’ is no functionally different than supporting him for the racist rhetoric. The fact that this kind of thing flies over so many heads is fucking galling.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I like Brown. I’m bad at spotting charisma but I think he may have a version of it. He’ll be 68 in 2020, I think. Harris kind of got drowned out by the noise of the presidential, but Californians, I think, see a star– anybody know more?
socraticsilence
@Brachiator:
So… Trump voters are stupid?
Kay
I wish they would stop saying they “don’t know’ what Trump will do domestically.
It’ll be a far Right Presidency with a far Right Congress. I mean, seriously. Are we going to do this “the Republicans will moderate” thing again? They always go further Right. Always.
Trump’s tax plan is far to the Right of George W Bush’s. His deregulatory agenda will ALSO be far to the Right of Bush.
We know what he’s going to do. He’s going further Right than Bush. That’s how they roll.
Elizabelle
@Baud: @Baud: me too. If I want to know something from a newspaper, I just google the topic. No clicking on the screaming headlines.
Walked around the lake twice today. Saw geese coming in for carrier landings, and deer, both times.
Going to a Quaker meeting tonight. Look forward to hearing their take.
Kryptik
@D58826:
That is what gets me. In all the criticism of Hillary’s GOTV efforts…what the hell did Trump do? He had zero ground game, he had a ‘rally’ game. And that won him the votes? That got people out to the polls better than grassroots local GOTV efforts did? That made people willing to rake themselves over the hot coals to vote for him rather than people coming door to door and personally interacting with voters?
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@jacy:
Consider the inverse – Trump only cares about Trump. Trump wants to be the most awsome president ever. You don’t get that by enacting Ryan’s theater of cruelity. That’s why I am suspecting Trump will just claim a lot of the better programs of Obama as his own. It’s a cheep and easy way to popularity.
Davis X. Machina
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: That’s just evidence of a problem that can be solved. Universal basic education is the answer, and universal literacy.
Oh, wait….
Davis X. Machina
@Kryptik: The bigot vote is self-GOTV’ing.
JMG
I am not as sure as everyone else the Republicans will nuke the filibuster. They can gut the safety net and pass tax cuts through budget reconciliation, where they won’t reed it. There are probably Republican Senators, not many but enough to be needed votes, who think some of the social legislation is hazardous to their careers, but also don’t want to alienate the base. The filibuster offers them protection and influence, as it did for the likes of Lieberman, Manchin, etc. when the Dems had the majority.
Don’t get me wrong. They could still do it on day one and I wouldn’t be shocked, but there are reasons it has lasted as long as it has that go beyond tradition.
bmaccnm
@Schlemazel: Absolutely. Build the wall and build it now. Open the steel mills before next Christmas. Deport all the illegal workers, even the Slovenian ones. Get that Muslim database established before the Fourth of July. And when NONE of this happens, eat shit and die. And, I’m not soothed by the people saying “He didn’t mean what he said. He’s just a lovely person who talks out of his ass.” That’s worse than meaning it, assholes. He played you.
Elizabelle
@schrodinger’s cat: Hugs, Ms Cat. And very happy for you about your new house.
Just nest for a while.
Lit3Bolt
Still dreaming of nuclear strikes and children dying of cancer, so no (real) sleep yet.
Had a friend who had just gotten a job at the EPA. Moved to DC last week with her partner. They probably shouldn’t unpack the boxes.
The only bright spot I see so far is that they are having trouble filling positions, so a lot of unqualified clowns will be put in positions of authority to immediately bungle things and/or get caught looting.
Baud
@Davis X. Machina: I have to applaud them for it. They are not apathetic.
WarMunchkin
@Kay: They’re going to do it quietly, pass it NC style, no doubt.
@Kryptik: Put it this way – remember when Obama called Harris “the best looking attorney general”? Liberals were ready to burn down the fucking Rose Garden, and rightly so, because that shit’s unacceptable. But we didn’t throw Obama out. There are some people out there who aren’t inherently evil, but say shitty things because of their ignorance and whose successes are still worth fighting for. Instead of casting them out, we can educate them and reach out.
goblue72
@brendancalling: Absolutely. Obstruction should be the only thing on the agenda of Dem politicians in DC as far as their next 2 years. Obstruct everything and anything. Turnabout is what is fair play.
dlm
@Comrade Jake: He might have a massive stroke or a coronary event. I was looking at photos of him and Obama. He looked bad. He couldn’t look Obama in the eye. Yes, it’s dawning on him that he is woefully inadequate. Stupid fuck that he is.
Schlemazel
@WarMunchkin:
Was she qualified and undoubtedly the best the Dems had to offer? YES!
The problem was esoteric, she is not ‘lovable’. 30 years of GOP smears did not help but there is am undefinable some people have she did not have, I call it ‘lovablility’. I lack it and realized it very early so didn’t go into politics. Obama has it, Boy Blunder has it, it is not related to any knowledge or skill. The universe just decides some people get to be loved & others not so much. Lovable people are big stars in movies, TV, music and politics. Unlovables, no matter their other qualities are not.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@socraticsilence:
What do you call someone who’s waited 30+ years for the mills to come back.
Who, when the patriarch of the family offers to help them move out of the rust belt into a state with a growing economy and they sniff at “to many freeways”
besides total idiot?
Roger Moore
@Patricia Kayden:
As somebody said about a different -ism in a previous post, racism isn’t about who you are, it’s about what you do. If you vote for racist policies, you’re acting racist no matter what’s in your heart.
Schlemazel
@socraticsilence:
Maybe, maybe not stupid but gullible beyond all reason
jacy
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
I do think Trump will be swayed by whatever shiny thing flashes by. He’ll do whatever strikes him as a good idea at the moment, even if that goes against what the Republican’s want. They’re going to have as little control over him now as they ever had. And if he thinks they’re trying to manipulate him, he’ll turn on them like a rabid wolverine.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@bmaccnm: Upvote !
GrandJury
Who is Gail Collins? Should I take her opinion seriously or is she just a fluffer or something?
goblue72
@Kryptik: GOTV is not the be all and end all. I can’t immediately recall, but its worth about 1%-2% of voting margin, maybe 3% if you get lucky. And since we don’t run two sets of elections – one with GOTV and one without. We don’t know what their respective starting positions were. Well, we probably know Trump’s since he didn’t have any GOTV.
So, the reality is that if Clinton didn’t have any GOTV, she could have lost even worse. Or, conversely, if Trump had GOTV, he would have won even more.
Or, what we “know” about GOTV’s effect might be less than what we thought in the 21st century.
goblue72
@GrandJury: NY Times Op-Ed columnist.
trollhattan
@Baud:
Proof: Baud have never lose election. More Baud, more of time. Baud=teh winz!
jacy
@Roger Moore:
Exactly. We have to stop normalizing the idea that calling someone a racist is somehow worse than them being racist. And make no mistake, if you enable or promote or gain because of racism, that’s actually worse than being a racist. Racists have bad ideas. People who enable or promote racists or racist policies without actually “believing” in racism know better and do it anyway for their own agenda. Fuck them.
rikyrah
@Cacti:
But, this is who they are and why many non-Whites were not feeling their bullshyt.
Kryptik
@Kay:
Trump hasn’t fucking hid what he wants to do at all. It’s all in vagaries, but he’s already shown willingness to act on every single fucking one, fuck the logistics.
If you don’t know what he wants to do, then either you haven’t been paying attention, or you’re one of those twitwaffles who presumed ‘oh, he can’t be as crazy as he acts’. Like someone said before, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Trump is who we thought he is, and trying to intimate otherwise is willful blindness.
bmaccnm
@dlm: He didn’t look ecstatic on election night, and he doesn’t look ecstatic now. This shit is real, and he needs to be held to his promises. If that means we get President Pence, then better to know it now than after four years. He really is unhealthy, and he needs to buy some shirts that don’t cut off his carotid arteries. I worry about the amount of blood circulating to his brain.
goblue72
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Seriously? This shit? The stupid fantasizing about imaginary candidates for the White House in 4 years?
This is why Democrats. Completely unable to realize how much they fucked up and how wrong they are. And completely focusing on the wrong things (the White House) and not the right things (Congress, the states).
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Cacti: Don’t forget the MSM.
laura
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: young, bright as all get out!
I was thrilled vote for her.
Fair Economist
@Schlemazel:
**I** love her. I think she’s great. Over the past couple months, I’ve been using her for inspiration – whenever things get tough, I think “look at what’s she been through and how she keeps going”.
Davis X. Machina
@Baud: It’s original sin what causes it — people especially in the aggregate are fundamentally nasty. The total depravity of mankind doesn’t always win, but it always covers the point spread.
Take evil and the points. The smart Vegas money and St. Augustine agree.
kindness
Trump isn’t going to be running this show. Trump will be the ringleader. The help will run everything. And the names coming out as to who that help is is truly dreadful.
Baud
@Fair Economist: Me too.
JPL
This was in a email I received
We must support this – pass it on and let’s see if these idiots understand what people pressure is all about.
Salary of retired US Presidents .. . . . .. . . . . .. . $180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House/Senate members .. . . . .. . . . $174,000 FOR LIFE This is stupid
Salary of Speaker of the House .. . . . .. . . . . $223,500 FOR LIFE This is really stupid
Salary of Majority / Minority Leaders . . .. . . . . $193,400 FOR LIFE Ditto last line
Average Salary of a teacher . . .. . . . .. . . . . .. .$40,065
Average Salary of a deployed Soldier . . .. . . .. $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made! If you agree pass it on, as I just did.
Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:
“I could end the deficit in five minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election”.
Mnemosyne
@Patricia Kayden:
This is kind of reminding me of the social aftermath of Prop 8, where some supporters were shocked and saddened that their GLBTQ friends (and those friends’ allies) stopped speaking to them or started boycotting their businesses. They genuinely didn’t realize that GLBTQ people have feelings and would be hurt by their actions. They actually thought they could still be friends.
I do not understand those people, but they exist. My cousin is one of them, and she’s mad at me because I keep pointing out that the country is angry and divided because she voted for an angry, divisive president. People are not going to make nice with her after this. It’s not “just business” to us.
GrandJury
Was in a public place that had CNN blaring. Nobody was around for a few minutes so I shut off the TV and hide the remote somewhere that might take awhile to find it. Maybe days. People are lost without a remote so they didn’t even try turn it on manually. My first act of public disobedience. I’m such a rebel.
Hal
What’s the dollar amount on all the free advertising Trump got? Not to mention the savings on oppo research courtesy of emails emails emails!!
Also, can you fucking imagine being Barack and Michelle and having to shake Trump’s hand and greet him at the white house? A man who shit on you and your life and legacy is now sitting down in your fucking house and acting like everything is normal. Like someone keying your car while your sitting in the driver’s seat.
Adria McDowell (formerly Lurker Extraordinaire
Trump’s message to Puerto Rico-
Go fuck yourselves.
The island hasn’t been independent since Columbus arrived. Maybe it’s time for them to cut us sling load. Things there are going to get WORSE, and it is already pretty damn bad.
goblue72
@Kay: Can you please mass email this to every moron in the media? (Which might be the entire media.)
I have many nice, well meaning liberal co-workers here in blue California. Spent the last 2 days smacking m head as they wondered “what will he do?”, is he going to build that wall, he has no policies, etc.
Kindly tried to explain to them that there’s all these Republicans, and the control the Senate and the House, and they have had all these bills and plans they have been working on, but you just didn’t hear about them because they knew Obama would just veto them, so they stay on the shelves or in committee.
Then I explained to them the Ryan tax plan, and its effect on corporate and personal income taxes for wealthy households and what it will do to the Federal budget. Then I explained how McConnell already has Obamacare elimination cued up. Explained about various de-regulatory agendas (likely straight from ALEC) to open up public lands for oil and coal. About the various “good” things that Obama did via Executive Order the will be easily rescinded. Etc. etc. I think I may have made them catatonic with fear.
We know the playbook. We know the plays they will run. Its perfectly fine to start opposing now. We don’t need to wait.
Gelfling 545
I have to disagree with Collins. The behavior of That Person she describes says “crazy” to me.
Also, I wonder how long those folks in PA will have to wait for the steel mills to come back. Bethlehem Steel and Republic Steel used to be the main employers here in my youth. Before 1970 they were already dropping away. Part of one of their plants is now a nature preserve. They’re not coming back in this version of reality.
Hal
Oh, and this about sums up the media email obsession
MomSense
@Chris:
It’s not much but if you want to show solidarity with people who are harassed, threatened, or harmed you can wear a safety pin. It shows others that you are a safe person to be around. I’m going to wear one and keep extras in my pockets. It started after Brexit. Here’s a link explaining it.
safety pin
Mnemosyne
@Kryptik:
Trump had Breitbart and the megachurches. They do their own GOTV.
JMG
Almost every public place that isn’t an airport will change the channel from news if you ask. They know news, not just the news now, bums some people out. That’s why bars have sports on. Customers who like sports watch, those who don’t just ignore the TV.
dlm
@bmaccnm Yes! I wondered if anyone else noticed how unhappy he looked on election night.
Mnemosyne
@goblue72:
Ironically, I agree with you about Congress and the states. The only way to reverse the voter suppression that just happened is to take back those statehouses.
jacy
@Mnemosyne:
I’m with you. I’m being civil, but firm. People have been shocked that I’ve politely told them that the policies they are espousing hurt me personally, and hurt people I care about. My son’s best friend is a gay girl, and I’m quite friendly with her mother, who voted for Trump. She supports her daughter’s identity, but insists that Trump doesn’t “hate gay people” and she voted for him to keep her daughter safe from “terror attacks.” I’m trying to explain why her daughter is crushed. She’s not getting it.
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: I know Susan, but not well. She’s a Bush family retainer and a media whore. The funniest thing I’ve ever seen was her attending the Florida Political Science Association annual meeting in 2004 at UF, there was a dinner/banquet that the polisci department had put on. She’d come up from USF in Tampa. The key note speaker was one of my bosses Ambassador (ret) Jett. She was sitting right in front. He proceeded to savage President Bush and his administration for about 30 minutes or so. Susan was pale green by the time he was done. Good times…
dlm
@kindness: This is quite frightening. Trump is an idiot. Those around him are the worst of the worst.
goblue72
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: She was an empty suit as San Francisco D.A. when I lived in SF. She was an empty suit compared to Jerry when she was State AG. I have several friends in the AG’s office (seasoned litigators, people who politically are quite liberal, etc) who worked under both Jerry and Kamala. They all missed Jerry and the real work they got to do under him. Low morale under Kamala. Lots of running around on pointless assignments designed to give her photo-ops and press releases for her eventual Senate run. She’s popular amongst the identity politics crowd, but amongst the serious policy types not so much.
Similar to Gavin Newson, another empty suit to come out of SF politics around that same time. Thankfully, the current crop of SF politicians now making their way up the chain in Sacramento have a lot more substance – David Chiu, Scott Weiner. Keeping my fingers crossed Chiu is able to finagle his way to Assembly Speaker someday (though with the way term limits now work, Anthony Rendon might be Speaker for awhile), or take a run at Pelosi’s seat whenever she retires.
Mnemosyne
@dlm:
He’s the dog that caught the car. If I may repeat myself (again) Republicans greased the skids back in 2012 by setting up voter suppression schemes in MI, WI, OH, and PA. Those schemes came to fruition on Tuesday, and Trump was the unwitting beneficiary.
Republicans set up a booby trap four years ago to guarantee themselves a 2016 victory, and Trump is the booby they caught. God help us all.
GrandJury
goblue72: George Will and Peggy Noonan are opinion columnists.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: She’s brilliant, but because of California’s gun laws, and her defense/enforcement of them, she’s one of the public enemies #1 of the 2nd Amendment absolutist crowd. And she’s brown. And her parents were immigrants. Given who Trump’s campaign messaging was designed to appeal to, she’s the poster person for polarizing the same crowd that just elected Trump.
trollhattan
@goblue72:
You have a record here of belittling most California Dems so I’ve learned to ignore the hell out of your opinions.
goblue72
@Gelfling 545: I don’t think anyone in PA has any fantasies about the Bethlehem Steel mills reopening given that the factory is now a casino owned by Sands. Its waste of time caricaturing it like that.
But if it makes you all feel good and avoid acknowledging you lost because you’re wrong, go right ahead.
Mnemosyne
@jacy:
Mike Pence supports electroshock therapy to “fix” gay people. That’s what the man she voted for wants to do to her daughter.
She’s still not going to get it, but it may be worth sending her a link. I know there’s one at Snopes.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
I know one of her investigators so will be interested in learning deeper inside scoop once she’s taken her new office.
DiFi will be out at the midterms, as will Jerry, which will guarantee a much higher than typical California voter turnout. Maybe we can bag ourselves an Issa and a McClintock.
Mnemosyne
Oh, and I’m waiting for the legions of white Trump voters to start shrieking, I had no idea he was so awful! Why didn’t anyone tell us!
And then I will laugh mordantly and say, “How’s that basket of deplorables now? Comfy?”
LongHairedWeirdo
The key to handling Trump is to hang the word “liar” and “loser” around his neck at *every* opportunity.
“Here it is a year into his term, and this loser can’t create jobs; he sure liked to pretend he could solve big problems, but I hope no one really thought he could; he’s been incompetent at everything except being a braggart his whole life.”
“Well, as you see, we’re not prosecuting Hillary, building any big walls, or renegotiating any trade deals, but god, who actually expected any of that? It was obvious that Trump was lying the whole time; why would a billionaire shave his own profits to help US workers? Especially a deadbeat like Trump?”
GrandJury
@dlm: Or, he is having trouble being civil knowing that he plans to stick the shiv to the Obama’s as soon as he gets in office and just can’t wait. Not looking him in the eye is a troubling sign of that if you ask me.
How hard would it be for him to take away that law Obama signed that gives former presidents lifetime secret service protection? Making it effective for presidents leaving from 2017 to specifically target them.
Cain
@LongHairedWeirdo: he will just have Guilani open up an investigation.. in fact he could open up false investigation on a lot of democratic politicians and smear them.
Gin & Tonic
On the agenda for the evening? There’s a very nice, small local restaurant where the people know me and treat me very well. I’m going to eat something creative and delicious and drink a few good wines.
This weekend I’ll probably go to the beach and fly a kite.
Beyond that? I have a backlog of books to read and some hobby-related things I need to concentrate on. I plan to pay far less attention to politics. Yes, I know it’s escapism and probably irresponsible. But I’m getting on in years and I’m tired of bullshit, and being angry all the time is not good for my health.
goblue72
@trollhattan: Which California Dems? Newson? He’s an empty suit and everyone knows it. Kamala Harris? Its based on up close and personal. Jerry? I’m on the record as thinking Jerry has pluses and minuses. I respect like hell his ability to win, not just elections but nearly every major political fight. He’s been great on the budget. But I think on other stuff, esp housing, he’s just wrong.
The NIMBY’s of the SF left? They deserve derision.
I like David Chiu. I generally agree with his policies and he works HARD. I campaigned for him in his first race for BOS, and campaigned for him on his (losing) campaign for Mayor and I campaigned for him for Assembly. Scott Wiener? Smart guy. Another really hard worker. Generally good politics. I’m thrilled he’s going to be working “in the building”. He’ll be more effective than Leno was – just watch.
Barbara Lee? I’d walk over broken glass to vote for her. Nancy? I think its getting time for her to retire, but she’s my favorite damn Speaker of the House my entire lifetime. And her fundraising prowess on behalf of the power is aces.
John Chiang? Far too moderate for my taste, but I would be completely unsurprised if he surprises everyone and is the next Governor. We could do worse than him
I’m pissed Toni Atkins got bumped early from leadership. I liked her a lot.
Locally, I’m not a huge fan of my mayor. I think Libby is kind of in over her head and I still have no idea what the hell she stands for. That said, she’s way better than Quan was, and light years ahead of Dellums. Our City Council, meanwhile, is a menagerie of corruption, fools and seat warmers, with a rare exception or two.
Schlemazel
@Fair Economist:
You are confusing your ability to identify her great qualities and qualifications for the ‘lovable’ thing. In TV news the call it a ‘Q’ rating and if you have it you will get a job as an anchor, if you don’t you won’t and it does not matter how good you are.
I lover her too but that is a different thing.
Sunny Raines
@Patricia Kayden: agree completely. The result is nearly all racist and misogyny IMO, and the racism is revenge at Obama, not Clinton. Here’s the deal:
a) a decent person cannot vote for an indecent person, which trump undeniably is, no matter how down and out they are or how much change they want. It’s a completely indecent person to like anything about trump
B) a decent person cannot rationally hate Clinton: there is no there, there and never was. She is a better than average politician, maybe a great one. It takes misogyny and/or a detached reality to hate her enough to vote for trump
C) Collins’ theory presumes people have a rational grasp of Obama’s actual performance (in order to want to change it) AND have no knowledge of republican obstruction over his 2 terms. This is plain not the case concerning trump supporters
DeeBo
So what I am hearing is near certain funding for the space ship trump as well as funding for the first permanent colony on Mars – Trumptopia
goblue72
@GrandJury: Im sorry what?
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: All I know of her is what I’ve seen reported. But I know she pushes all the buttons for the ragegasm voters.
Gelfling 545
@Fair Economist: The more I saw of her, the more I liked her. Lovability is there. Cliched, i guess, but she’s someone I’d like to have as a friend if not necessarily have a beer with. Also, if you look at Pantsuit Nation, there’s love for Hilary being poured out there.
frosty
@Mnemosyne:
Respectfully, I’ve seen you mention this a couple of times this week. My understanding from what I read, and from the election judge I watched Tuesday night, is that PA does NOT have a law that requires photo ID to vote. First time voters need a document that shows a name and address that matches the registration. PA voters were not required to show an ID at the polls on Tuesday.
Do you have a source for the PA requirement?
notoriousJRT
Fuck Gail Collins. Seriously. You can see which of Cole’s stage of grief I currently occupy.
Mnemosyne
@frosty:
Here’s the Washington Post version of the story. The Voter ID law was supposed to be put on hold by court order, but pollworkers insisted on it anyway.
Gelfling 545
@goblue72: see comment 14 above re PA & WV links. Or don’t.
Adam L Silverman
@notoriousJRT: Just guessing here: the fuck people stage?
EBT
Getting drunk and planning for the worst case scenarios. I could untransition socially and just wear baggy shirts. I have researched and started a regimen for upper body strength. Me and the roommate are planning on how to make rent for the last four months and I am talking to people about possible couches. I am not going to be caught flat footed. Anything better than the absolute worst case scenario is going to be a blessing.
Jean
I read that Chaffetz plans to continue the Clinton investigations. Is this part of the retribution for Trump’s enemies? The FBI already found nothing. Could they really continue trying to smear, humiliate her as well as the Dems in the process? If there really is an “enemies list” as someone in the campaign reported, what next? McCarthyism?
Also, are corporate newspapers prepared to face phony “libel” lawsuits by Trump? Can they be prepared enough not to stop reporting bad news about Trump without being shut down?
Some of this stuff, including the the fears already talked about here, is almost horrifying to contemplate. He could tank the US and global economy with the crazy trade proposals. And his temperament combined with ignorance could get us into an unimaginable war. Are there any Republicans who would stop him?
I’m trying not to panic and stopped long ago listening to tv news, Like Cole, my husband donated to Planned Parenthood today. It was something he could feel good about.
lige
I think one thing Collins is right about is that Trump isn’t really a doctrinaire republican so my naive hope is his desire to be the King of America and acclaimed by everyone, meaning lots of gifts, will run counter to the austerity caucus in Congress’s desire to screw over anyone not making a 1M a year or more. And then I saw Chris Kobach was on his transition team.
dogwood
@JMG:
I’ve wondered that as well. Would the Senate republicans want to keep the filibuster so the dems could stop some Trump nonsense and they could keep their hands clean? I don’t think so though.
frosty
Mnemosyne:
Looks like the article supports both of us. The law isn’t in force but some poll workers acted like it was. Should have been caught by a poll watcher, should have been stopped by the election judge, and Allegheny County should have answered the damn phone.
It wasn’t my experience in South Pennsyltucky, but maybe we’re all just the right kind of voters here. Redneck privilege.
dogwood
@GrandJury:
Taking away secret service protection for Obama is something congressional republicans won’t do.
EBT
@GrandJury: Clinton signed one that took away life time SS protection (from 43 onward) near the end of his tenure.
gogol's wife
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Dear God, please let this person be correct!!!!!
dogwood
@EBT:
I could be wrong, but I think the lifetime protectection was reinstated.
Chris
@MomSense I love it.
Elie
@Jean:
Thank you! Unknown challenges ahead but wonderful people like you and the 50 plus young people having a choice support rally in front of our clinic means a lot.
Mothra
@Comrade Jake: I’m appalled Collins wrote that tripe
Ruckus
@jacy:
Half the voting population fucking is racist. There is no question that the Shit-Gibbon ran as a racist, that he encouraged racism, and that he himself is a racist. He ran on no other policies than racism. None. People came out in excess to vote racism and 10 million people didn’t come out to oppose them. Fucking racists.
Ruckus
I have no idea what stage of recovery I’m in. I think about 3 of them at the same time. Anger, depression and anger. Denial I’m through, which is probably explains the anger. I made it through the entire day with out strangling the overt Shit-Gibbon supporter at work. That’s something. I’m hoping that I make it through the next 4 yrs. And in decent enough shape that anything that’s happened health wise I will be able to recover from. Monetary I don’t know about. I expect a depression within the next year, maybe within six months when all the “new” policies get put into place.
Toto, we all live in Kansas now.
Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire)
@Adam L Silverman: damn, she’s from USF? Getting my master’s from there*. Not that department, but still.
*If I ever get this damn thesis done.
Shalimar
Trump is a textbook example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder. If he isn’t crazy, then no one is.
Shalimar
@Jean: Congress can’t hold endless investigations into the Executive Branch anymore, so what we will get is lots of endless investigations of Clinton, Obama, Planned Parenthood, Black Lives Matter, and any group that tries to help people vote.
bemused senior
@Kryptik: I read today that Trump had a ground game: a Koch funded org and a Ralph Reed talibangelical effort. The evangelical churches sent their parishioners out to save the unborn babies. I think this probably explains the women voting for Trump.
dogwood
@Ruckus:
You know earlier today I got called out probably justifiably for telling someone to fuck off. I don’t anger easily so the horrible mixture of anger, disgust, embarrassment and sadness is foreign to me and I don’t know how to vent.
kuvasz
I will bet that Trump expects that his job will be Head of State, not Head of Government.
Smitty
Trump-Barnum and his campaign is the dog that caught the car. They are in for a world of trouble.
Another Holocene Human
@Kryptik:
No, I don’t think so. He fed the rural spite voters racist red meat and they came out to vote and replaced all the nice polite suburban Republicans that he lost. GOP doesn’t do much GOTV (although they did send out charming mailers threatening their voters if they stayed home).
dr. luba
Just explain one thing to me–if this was a “change” election, why did those change minded citizens re-elect almost all of the bums in the Senate and House? Why didn’t they throw them out, too?