Today’s News in Cartoon Form


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    redshirt says:

    #Shomi: Have you changed your prediction now Cole? You called the Senate for Republicans earlier.

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    frosty says:

    Seems this whole brouhaha could use a “Never mind” from Emily Litella, too.

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    GrandJury says:


    Cole + Prediction = Popcorn.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    This is John Weaver, who I think was McCain’s right hand man back in the Mavericky Maverick “Boy, Do I Hate George W Bush” 2000 primary campaign. Now working for Kasich (who cut early voting in Ohio back to ten hours, the asshole).

    John Weaver ‏@ JWGOP 2h2 hours ago Austin, TX
    Seems the only accurate comparison to Watergate are leaks from the FBI. @ dick_nixon

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    rikyrah says:

    Animal pictures always welcome.

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    NMgal says:

    @frosty: Ask and you shall receive: Never mind!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’ve always had trouble linking to individual tweets, but I’m gonna try it here for the incredible google map image of the line John Kasich made to vote in Cincinnati.

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    Mike J says:

    I wouldn’t fire him. Leave a revolver on the table, and as you walk out of the room tell him you’re going to leave him alone to think about things.

    Nah. That would only work on someone capable of feeling shame.

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    Mikefromarlington says:

    The image of news agencies scouring for appropriate Hillary exonerated pics makes me grin for some reason.

    I don’t see many potential cabinet pics discussions happening. Who will she pick for Labor Sec? Treasury will undoubtedly be someone everyone hates. Sec def?

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    Ian says:

    The fact that the FBI released this ‘investigation’ and within four days decided there was nothing there is criminal. If it was so fucking easy to clear those emails, why did they not wait? Instead they decided to interfere in the election, knowing damn well that they did not have anything.

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    Splitting Image says:

    I’m trying desperately to keep myself offline until the results start coming in on Tuesday. I just can’t handle the shouty orange thing and his entourage anymore. At the moment I’m about halfway through the complete works of Arcangelo Corelli.

    My prediction is 323 solid votes for Clinton with IA, OH, MO, GA, AK, AZ and NE-2 too close to call. Trump gets 150 votes and some but not all of the close ones. I wish I were as confident about the Senate. Could be 49-51. Could be 53-47. We’ll probably know early Tuesday night though. Enough of the nailbiter Senate races are in the East Coast (NH, NC, FL, PA) that we should know early on if turnout will give them to the Democrats.

    I’m still mildly hopeful that Pelosi will get the Speaker’s gavel back, but a lot of things have to break in the right way for that to happen.

    Final prediction is that Trump makes a graceful (for him) concession speech, but drops hints that the election results are a result of a “deal” he made, inflaming the conspiracy theorists in his audience. The TV bobbleheads will ignore that and talk about how “Presidential” he looks.

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    jake the antisoshul soshulist says:

    The right will continue in their unshakable belief that there is a coverup.

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    Suzanne says:

    Ugh. Barf. Fuck Comey.

    I did my last canvass for the year yesterday. Trying soooo hard to turn this red state blue this year. Whatever happens on Tuesday, I predict that I will be surprised. I hope I am positively surprised. This,whole year has fucking sucked donkey ass, and I am getting to feel cursed.

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    Baud says:

    @jake the antisoshul soshulist: And the sun will come up in the east tomorrow.

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    redshirt says:

    @Baud: Presumably. Not guaranteed. Sam Wang puts it at 99% chance. Silver has it at 70%.

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    Trump Rolls Out Anti-Semitic Closing Ad

    By Josh MarshallPublishedNovember 5, 2016, 8:22 PM EDT


    It’s packed with anti-Semitic dog whistles, anti-Semitic tropes and anti-Semitic vocabulary. I’m not even sure whether it makes sense to call them dog whistles. The four readily identifiable American bad guys in the ad are Hillary Clinton, George Soros (Jewish financier), Janet Yellen (Jewish Fed Chair) and Lloyd Blankfein (Jewish Goldman Sachs CEO).

    The Trump narration immediately preceding Soros and Yellin proceeds as follows: “The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. For those who control the levers of power in Washington [start Soros] and for the global [start Yellen] special interests [stop Yellen]. They partner with these people [start Clinton] who don’t have your good in mind.”

    Full Protocols of the Elders of Zion International bankers shit, straight out of Der Stürmer 卐

    of course the Liburel Media lets him get away with it cuz IOKIYAR

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    Baud says:

    @redshirt: Silver just wants the clicks.

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    If it was so fucking easy to clear those emails, why did they not wait?

    I think the current theory is that there’s a rogue group of agents involved in the investigation who were threatening to leak the information if Comey didn’t say anything. He tried to put it out in the blandest possible way, though he should have known Jason Chaffetz would try to blow it up into something. I assume that Comey also stupidly thought he could walk it back successfully after the review turned up nothing.

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    jl says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: I saw it and it was frightening and disgusting. A commenter (Jeffro?) wondered if it would come off as same argument as a progressive Bernie or Democratic ad, and maybe build Trump’s bogus progressive cred. I don’t think so. Sanders would have some facts and logical argument in it. This was just showing (coincidentally? I don’t think so) random influential Jewish faces and intoning about unspecified dark conspiracies that are blighting the lives of decent hard working (white? yeah, enough other bigot dog whistles to assume ‘white’ was implied I think) people.

    Soros, Yellen and Blankfein are not part of some sinister global conspiracy, that is absolute nonsense. In fact, lower and middle income working people should thank Obama for nominating Yellen. She has done a great job in steering interest rate policy in responsible way so far (We will see about months after election. I agree with Krugman and Baker that it’s too soon to raise interest rates more than a very tiny symbolic amount).

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    WarMunchkin says:

    If the characters depicted weren’t cute cartoon characters and instead made of equal parts sulfur and slug vomit.

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    jl says:

    As for the post, I wish I were more sure that Charlie Brown is Republicans rather then Democrats. I’ve read and heard some news reports that almost every single one of the emails were duplicates of emails already submitted, and the remaining had not one damn thing to do with any HRC bogus email scandal.

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    inventor says:


    Silver just wants the clicks.

    The biggest problem with his model is his “trend” correction. The problem with it is not that it is always wrong, it may often be right. The problem is that it can’t distinguish an end to a trend until it has passed, thereby guaranteeing it will be wrong when trends change.

    With the plethora of polls near the end of an election trends can develop quickly and change quickly leaving his model particularly exposed to error right when it needs to be the most accurate.

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    Punchy says:

    @redshirt: The most unusual thing is happening with the betting odds. HRC went from -400 to nearly -700 w/ Comeys comments, BUT the odds for the Senate have completely flipped to the GOP. Now a moderate fav to keep the Senate. I dont understand why they would move in opposite directions, but they both have, a huge amount.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: I’m not sure I buy that. If he wanted to stop leaks, he could have sent out a memo (or whatever) saying that anyone who leaks anything is fired on the spot. You know, act like he actually had some control of the organization he is in charge of.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @jl: I tried to watch that ad but I couldn’t really get myself to listen closely to what Trump was saying. Even so, just the tone of his voice and the tone of the ad was creepy and alarming to me. It just felt wrong.

    No way would that have been a Bernie ad or a Hillary ad. My two cents.

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    jl says:

    @inventor: I’m confused about what Silver is doing, and hard to read and see for myself what the math guts are doing, compared to Wang. I just read an article saying that Silver was purposefully NOT adjusting his model, in order to insure that he was not accused of supposed fiddling he did to downplay Trump chances in GOP primary.

    But I also read Sliver put in some kind of ‘Comey letter’ adjustment to tweak trends after Comey wrote his first BS letter that was advertized (falsely) as ‘reopening’ the HRC email investigation.

    Those two things don’t go together. The second thing is putting in ad hoc guesstimate, and impossible to validate, trend adjustments in the model on the fly.

    Edit: can anyone steer me to a thorough analysis of the 538 methodology?

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    mike in dc says:

    This was the political equivalent of point-shaving. They had to know weeks ago that there was almost certainly going to be nothing new here. The House got put out of reach by this, and Clinton’s political life as president-to-be-elected-regardless became much more difficult because of this.

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    I’m not sure if you have the trend thing correct. As I understand it, the goal of the trend analysis is to look at successive polls from the same outfit to distinguish between the polling trend (i.e. how the election is changing) and the house effect (i.e. how that pollster models things that might create systematic bias). I still think that 538 has screwed up its model by making it way too sensitive to short term fluctuations, most of which are more noise than signal.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Punchy: I don’t have the slightest idea what those numbers mean or how to interpret them in any way. Is that common knowledge?

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:


    Opinion-based astronomy, there’s an idea.

    Actually I think that’s called astrology.

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    Davis X. Machina says:


    Who will she pick for Labor Sec?

    Unless it’s Eugene V. Debs, someone else eveyone hates.

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    Mark B says:

    @WaterGirl: The fact that Giuliani openly brags about the leaks he gets from FBI agents means that Comey isn’t in control. Because if he was, Giuliani would be immediately be brought in for questioning.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: that’s criminal. Hope mr. Voter suppression gets his due in the form of lawsuits and whatever other remedies are available.

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:


    I don’t have the slightest idea what those numbers mean or how to interpret them in any way. Is that common knowledge?

    Common knowledge? No, I don’t think anyone knows that you don’t know what those numbers mean.

    Well, now they do.

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    Hal says:

    I tuned in to Meet the Press with Steve Kornacki interviewing Kellyanne Conway, and christ on a cracker, if I never see her again after Tuesday it will be too soon.

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    raven says:

    Squirrel on the field at Lambeau!

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @raven: No Moose?

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    jl says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Boris and Natasha surely behind it all.

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    Oatler. says:

    @Hal: She may well get a new job on MTP! “We’re going to have to leave it there for now…”

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    redshirt says:

    @raven: Sign that squirrel up! Dual threat.

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    p.a. says:

    @raven: How many feet down = reception?

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    raven says:

    @p.a.: Running all over the field!

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    redshirt says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim: They already do this with evolution, and so Biology. There’s nothing stopping them to spreading it to other areas.

    I guess they already do, since there are still Flat Earther’s out there.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Trump has no path to 270. This will not be a nail biter on Tuesday.

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    Punchy says:

    @WaterGirl: in short, HRC is now a huge fav to take the presidency, but for some reason, bettors are betting (very recently) that the Senate stays with the devil. Maybe they knows polls we dont, but my assumption was that a big Clinton win would help, not hurt, down ticket races.

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    GrandJury says:

    @Punchy: WTF are you talking about? WTF is -400 supposed to mean? Where are you getting all this info from anyways??

    Senate is 80% chance of Dem control according to Sam Wang. So wherever you’re getting your info from is garbage.

    Why would anyone listen to ‘betters’ rather than polls? Are you trying to kill 2 birds by feeding your gambling addiction at the same time?

    What nonsense. I wish I didn’t even response now.

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    redshirt says:

    @Punchy: Just guessing, but they’re assuming there will be greater votes for Repuke Senators/Congress than for Trump. It’s not a bad assumption.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Hahahahaha. MI, MN, PA. No freaking way.

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    p.a. says:

    @Punchy: Don’t know enough about D Senate challengers. Maybe some weak ones? Or poorly run campaigns? Maybe Citizens’ U fucks up pres nom process, but works at state level?

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    OT, and I don’t have an update, but earlier today the early vote line (where I observed yestereday) was 1/2 mile long – that was at 2:15, and the line could have people added until 5 pm. I’m going to check w/ the regional director to see if there’s an update. I’ll report back.

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    inventor says:

    @Roger Moore: Actually, I think we agree. If a pollster has a series of increasing polls for a candidate 538 will apply an increasing adjustment to the most current poll. This makes his model overshoot when the trend changes.

    It can also act as a “gain increase” making it overly sensitive to small changes or short trends.

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    GrandJury says:

    @Corner Stone: Ya think. This election was decided in July.

    Only thing I’m surprised about was that it’s not going to be a bigger blow out. And no it wasn’t because of the Comey thing although that didn’t help.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Punchy: D’s will take the Senate but it’s going to be slim pickings.
    I want to see the overvoting totals for the R Senate candidates in battleground states.

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    scav says:

    Actually, if they (some vague someone for now) are actively seeking to reduce confidence in the existing government, system, etc. this flip-flop of Comey rather makes sense and feeds that hoped-for anxiety and rage (in the usual suspects, also rather as usually).

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    jl says:

    @Punchy: What polls would they know that we don’t? Wang’s Senate prediction is growing more favorable to Democratic control. I think a problem with betting markets is that we don’t know the betters’ total portfolios of bets, who is coming in new to place a new bet on only one market, who is balancing their portfolio of previous bets. What is the best measure for them of most likely outcome?

    People in betting markets want to make some money (edit: or avoid or minimize losses from previous positions), and predictions when you aggregate may not be same unbiased estimate of mean of the polls.

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    JPL says:

    The overseas markets jumped on the news about Comey.

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    @Roger Moore:
    I don’t buy that theory. It doesn’t take into account Comey’s original press conference where he defied all FBI tradition and dumped a load of bullshit insinuations on Clinton before getting to the only actual thing he was officially there to do, recommend no charges. Comey personally wants to sabotage Clinton. That must be part of any explanation.

    Silver changed his predictions within hours of the debates, which is strong evidence that ad-hoc guesstimates are part of the formula.

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    debbie says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch:

    Just watched that ad, and I’ve finally run out of descriptors.

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    jl says:

    @scav: I think simplest explanation is that there was absolutely nothing in the Weiner device (if there is a pun or entendre there I didn’t mean it), and better to come out with it now than after the election. Maybe someone leaned on the NY office to get their asses and gear and produce, if there was anything worth looking at in the newly discovered (turns out all of them actually old and previously known) emails.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone:

    D’s will take the Senate but it’s going to be slim pickings.

    I understood the first half of the sentence but not the second. In what way will it be slim pickings?

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    GrandJury says:

    Betting markets….pfffttt hahaha.

    At least the “Latinos are gonna show up this year” people have some sort of real numbers. They are wrong for other reasons.

    Using the betting markets when you have all kinds of polls is almost as hilarious as that time wr0ng way Cole used the drop in the stock market the day after Obamacare passed as proof that it was a bad idea.

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    Punchy says:

    @GrandJury: Because people tend to not want to light money on fire, so they bet it when they think they have inside info. And theres a lot of “inside info” in a national election. Fuckin christ, its pretty simple. Believe it or dont, I dont give a shit.

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    debbie says:


    I think it takes more than both them using the same word (“movement”) for Trump to have any scintilla of cred with Progressives.

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    ThresherK says:

    @debbie: I’m not gonna watch it. Is it yet another Trump ad which the Clinton camp ought to spend its own money airing, because it’s just that good for HRC?

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    mike in dc says:

    I think Clinton gets a 1-2 point “bounceback” from this, just based on arresting voter demoralization.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    convicted felon has opinion-y opinions

    Bernard B. KerikVerified account
    ‏@ BernardKerik
    There are 691,200 seconds in 8 days. FBI Director Comey reviewed 650,000 emails in 8 days? An email per second? Americans aren’t stupid!

    Kinda disappointed in twitter, it took over a dozen replies before someone asked Rudi’s sidekick if he studied the computers down at the prison school.

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    scav says:

    @jl: Too many ways to interpret it, so I’m not sure that’s the simplest one. Mostly because either way they’re interfering and riling either one side or the other, not to mention further damaging the reputation of the institution by that interference and by the hasty flip-flopping. This doesn’t sound like the behavior of an institution under control.

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    jl says:

    @debbie: Sadly, from what I’ve heard of person-in-the-street interviews, there are a lot of voters who dismiss Trump’s extremist rhetoric as just showmanship and politics, and say that they will vote for him because he will get the country moving again for hard working people what been cheated by the system. I figure these are very low info, and hate to judge, but probably also low thoughtfulness voters.

    I don’t remember one that didn’t sound like an older white person, so I hate to think so, but I wonder if some subliminal bigotry is prompting that. The successful white business man who talks tough and big, just must have tough and big plans that will work, and surely, he doesn’t really mean all the weird things he’s said. Well, as PT Barnum said….

    Edit: I feared Trump would be smart the disciplined enough to go with a more consistent and convincing progressive front for his campaign. He never really did. He doesn’t know enough about policy, doesn’t really have an interest, and his knee jerk impulse is reactionary grifter trickle down robber baron stuff. So, it all came to just some tacky cheap window dressing that showed up once in a while.

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    debbie says:


    It’s pure delusion. It flashed photos of the key members of the well-known J cabal. It included every tired-looking shot of Hillary they could find. How there’s an international group controlling the money, the jobs, the country. How he’s doing it for all the little people, etc., etc. etc.

    I want these Trumps brought lower than the Kardashians.

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    ThresherK says:

    @mike in dc: arresting voter? For all the militia pollwatcher goons out there, I humbly submit:


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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Greg Sargent reports that internal Dem polling shows the letter did damage to the Senate and other down ticket candidates, especially with millennials.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @mike in dc: Nope. Football Sunday and back to work on Monday. The timing of this by Comey is exquisite in the non-effect it will have on the election. As opposed to down ballot races softened by the FBI letter 11 days before the election.

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    Baud says:

    @redshirt: I’m starting to feel the same way. I hope Tuesday restores my faith.

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    jl says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Does Kerik know about these new fangled computer ‘electronic brain’ machines, and document comparison programs?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: It gave them a talking point they could sell that was completely divorced from Trump. They could focus their race on tying their opponent to Crooked Hillary. It was a lightening rod of an ad generator.

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    Pogonip says:

    I did reread The Haunting of Hill House and now I know what terrified Theodora in the clearing. Hill House is in a battleground state, and she saw an election coming.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    So Ghouliani’s fluffer is disappointed that the FBI has walked back his master’s b.s. leaks? Too bad. Fking srv has more credibility than Kerik.

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    debbie says:


    Trump’s addiction to attention turned his campaign into a months-long cosmic blow job. Trump is Eric Cartman.

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    randy khan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Really. It makes me wonder if he’s ever searched for an email in Outlook. (My presumption is that the FBI used more sophisticated tools, but you could eliminate all of the emails that don’t mention HRC or that are from the wrong time period pretty fast even with Outlook’s search function.)

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    NotMax says:


    Barnum actually won elections (Connecticut legislature and also mayor of Bridgeport, CT).

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Ian: Good question. The FBI could have quietly reopened the investigation and only made an announcement if something new was found. Comey took the course of action which could damage Clinton the most.

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    jl says:

    @debbie: Ivanka could have pulled it off. He should have let her run the campaign. She could have cooked up and sold a bogus progressive platform. It would be disaster in reality, or just do not one thing, but I think there might have been something that could be sold to more than very low info white voters, who maybe had some subliminal bigotry about Obama.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch:

    It’s packed with anti-Semitic dog whistles, anti-Semitic tropes and anti-Semitic vocabulary.

    And Trump himself probably isn’t even aware it’s anti-Semitic, because all he does is regurgitate every alt-right-wingnut he sees on the intertubes “unencumbered by the thought process” (as the Car Talk Guys used to say).

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    Doug R says:

    Our election was a little over a year ago. Most of the time, it looked like the liberals were slightly ahead, with the social democrats sometimes inching ahead. For a brief period, it looked like the conservatives might pull it off. Then came election night. Atlantic Canada is an hour ahead of the Eastern time zone and Newfoundland is an hour and a half ahead. When the results started coming in, EVERY seat had gone liberal. Record numbers of people showed up to vote and the liberals ended up with a majority.
    These numbers and massive line ups for early voting bode well for the election in general, especially if the reports of a Latino awakening are true.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: The D’s are going to keep NV and CO. We’re going to win IL and WI. They needed to win some majority of NH, PA, FL, MO, IN, and NC.
    We are in real trouble in FL, MO, IN and maybe NC. I think we will take NH and PA. I think that puts us at 50 for D’s.

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    scav says:

    @scav: I don’t believe in a master plan, but I wouldn’t be entirely surprised to find that the the same opportunitisic rogue elements that pushed the dissemination of the story originally also pushed over-quick retraction. It just doesn’t seem the action of a organization or a sane individual — both of which seem better served by keeping quiet and below the parapet for a critical bit.

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    debbie says:


    I think she’s too slick and packaged for Progressives. Now the Libertarians on the other hand…

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    jl says:

    More evidence that Trump is spending the last days trying to gin up his bigot base. I hope that is good news. I don’t think enough whites will buy it. They just don’t manufacture mass quantities of die-hard white bigots like they used to. Scary that there probably are still enough to win a close election, but I would fear other directions Trump could take more, like bogus progressive proposals.

    New pro-Trump ad targets Clinton’s opposition to Redskins name

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone: As I said the other night: in order for Trump to win this almost everyone has to be wrong about almost everything.

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    hovercraft says:

    Okay time to chronicle Tweety’s spittle and ravings.
    Mrs Greenspan this damaged her campaign, she was forced to go negative, she will not talk about Comey, she will try to go positive. Tweety wants her to spike the football, Greenspan says she doesn’t want to remind people about the e-mail. Chuck Todd says the Comey letter reminded people about the Clinton drama, it made people not want to vote for her because of their baggage.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Corner Stone: Your calculation of a 50-50 split is exactly what I’m assuming (while hoping against hope for NC because I live there– I just worry that their suppression efforts will be just enough to keep some miserable people in charge).

    50-50 puts waaaaaay too much power in the hands of a certain guy in WV, so let’s hope one of the other states works out.

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    different-church-lady says:


    I wish I didn’t even response now.

    Ah. We finally have something in common.

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    @jl: he just lost the Cowboys vote. They ain’t gonna vote for anything pro-redskin.

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    Baud says:

    @different-church-lady: The Baud! 2016! strategy!

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    jl says:

    @hovercraft: Thanks. Know I know to not even look at any youtube clips I see of today’s talky news shows. I turned off MTP today, even with Kaine on, since I found Dickerson’s tendentious drivel annoying.

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    49ers sure must be happy they got rid of loser Harbaugh and got a winner like Chip Kelly.

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    I think Trump knows it’s anti-Semitic. I agree that’s up in the air because Trump is an ignorant dufus who doesn’t care what comes out of his mouth. In this case, Trump has a well established history of personal bigotries, including about Jews. It’s likely (although far from certain) he recognizes the bigger ‘bankers are Jews’ prejudices, since he shares the ‘Jews are bankers’ prejudice.

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    amk says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    General Flynn Verified account

    There R 691,200 seconds in 8 days. DIR Comey has thoroughly reviewed 650,000 emails in 8 days? An email / second? IMPOSSIBLE RT

    And this guy was head of DIA?

    goosestepping gestapo goons.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: ‘still plenty of time to mess everything up’. That was the slogan that won me over to Baud! 2016! If only they had given you the chance.

    Edit: though, did Trump steal your theme? You could sue him!

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    hueyplong says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: 49ers fans knew what to expect when York was undermining Harbaugh during his 8-8 final season there. York could fk up a wet dream.

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    GrandJury says:

    Can someone explain to me in 100 words or less why Trump or his handlers or whoever are anti-semitic and how they think that’s a winning strategy in a national election as a closing argument?

    I don’t get anti-semitisim in general. What do they think Jewish people are guilty of exactly? He has the anti-semite vote locked up anyways.

    Is that one of the main reasons they obsess about Soros so much?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “I could play ‘Stairway To Heaven’ when I was 12. Jimmy Page didn’t actually write it until he was 22. I think that says quite a lot.”

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    NotMax says:

    Icing on the cake is that after Carrot Flop crashes and burns and the Senate changes control, Priebus will be history.

    (Note to MSNBC: Do. Not. Hire. Him.)

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    @different-church-lady: His dad was a member of the KKK. I’m sure he was indoctrinated

    In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens

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    Yutsano says:

    @Punchy: @GrandJury: As always, Durfs gotta Durf.

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    different-church-lady says:


    …probably also low thoughtfulness voters.

    Only if your definition of “thoughtfulness” is extraordinarily generous.

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    PaulW says:

    Just got to an Internet Hotspot after attending Obama event in Kissimmee.

    Remind me never to go to any event in Kissimmee again. The idiots there do not know one thing about traffic control. PARKING lot issues ruined an otherwise awesome rally

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    jl says:

    @GrandJury: What Trump knows or believes, who knows? The campaign seems to be placing a bet on finding the great missing white bigot vote that will help save them. Seems to me one of their less promising strategies. But I think most of them are not complete cynics like the more establishment GOPers (who know when to whisper and whistle and dial it back, or have some one else say it). They are true believing bigots.

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    @amk: reincarnation of Colonel Flagg.

    Col. Flagg is a U.S. Military Intelligence agent. His behavior is rather careless and irrational, and he appears to the staff of the 4077th to be a paranoid over methodical military man. The fact that he deliberately seriously injures himself to advance a top-secret, highly classified investigation is to be praised. At one point he tried to get into CIC headquarters by crashing his jeep into a brick wall and setting himself on fire. When told of this event, Hawkeye’s response was “Is this guy available for kids parties?”

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    jl says:

    @different-church-lady: OK, they are ‘low thought’ voters? That sounds mean. I thought ‘low thoughtfulness’ was more polite.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: Even then I doubt he understands what he’s saying. It’s just “stuff” to him. If you explained what anti-Semitic meant, he’s just say, “The Jews love me!”

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    Mike in NC says:

    Local Sunday paper ran an article that interviewed several Trump supporters. None had a post high school education, all were white, all included “law and order” as important reasons to back him (i.e., this year’s approved dog whistle).

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    different-church-lady says:

    @jl: It’s the quantity that seems a stretch, not the adjective form. Specifically, that there is a quantity at all.

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    mike in dc says:

    I think it should be standard policy, going forward, for the Republican members of the House investigative committee to be specifically targeted, regardless of how red their districts are. Extra spending and more quality challengers sought out. Knock off Issa this time as a warning shot. Chaffetz next. Gowdy too. Even if we only knock off 1 in 3, it still gets the point across.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @NotMax: Why not? It’d be fucking awesome. I think they deserve each other. (Note to self: never watch MSNBC again in this lifetime.)

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    New documentary on GOP's implementation of the post-2012 'autopsy'— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 6, 2016

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:

    …especially with millennials.

    You know — morons.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Trump has no path to 270. This will not be a nail biter on Tuesday.

    I think one of his campaign’s clowns was asked about that very thing on CNN a bit ago, and couldn’t come up with a path there?

    His election night meltdown, coupled with the Trump U trial, additional reporting on Russia’s influence in the Trump camp, and further issues (like trying to explain Karen McDougal to Melania?) are going to be the sweetest of epilogues to this disgusting campaign of his.

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    Even the conservative operatives say…

    stuart stevens ‏@stuartpstevens Nov 5

    What’s been so telling is how all these second & third raters like Lewandowski & Kellyanne Conway have self-promoted. Grifters.

    0 replies 76 retweets 220 likes

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    My cause for optimism today: After reading about how significantly Hillary’s ground game eclipses Team GOP, I was paddling around at Sam Wang’s place and saw that there’s a clickable EV map that shows current polling and then allows a +2 adjustment for the candidate with the demonstrably better GOTV effort (and again, this is Sam Wang, so he’s not fucking around with that ground-game stuff, he knows what’s happened in the last several election cycles). That map looks like this, and it’s beautiful how many states that go from light blue to dark blue have Dems challenging incumbent R’s for senate seats.

    OK. Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am. I don’t care. I’m having a martini.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @hueyplong: I think we have a real shot in MO and NC. I have no idea what happened in IN and Murphy in FL had a tough uphill battle, even excluding how bad a candidate he is.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Weiner had 650,000 emails on his personal computer? Damn, that is a lot of porn spam.

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    GrandJury says:

    Here is a question nobody seems to be asking. If there are elements within the FBI willing to leak this stuff about Hillary, what confidence do we have that they are not going to try hide things about Trump?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Doug R: But.. but… but… BREXIT!!!!

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    different-church-lady says:

    @GrandJury: You’re still here?

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    I love Obama, but I knew it was a big mistake when he appointed Cigarette-Smoking Man to run the FBI.

    The only person coming out of this looking good is Assistant Director Walter Skinner.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Baud: Only if you remove the “almosts”

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    dedc79 says:

    Every time you think you’ve hit Peak Fournier, he goes and one ups himself:

    Comey has tried to be transparent.

    None of this would have happened had @HillaryClinton been transparent.

    This is all on her, not FBI.

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    Latino J says:

    Let’s be clear – Donald Trump is a lifelong New York City millionaire. He knows exactly what being anti-Semitic is.

    He’s one of those guys who reduces everyone to a stereotype – with the white male being the king of the hill. It doesn’t mean he can’t do business with “The blacks” or “The Jews” or “broads”, just as long as they all stay in their lane and don’t get out of place.

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    NotMax says:

    @David Blue Wall Koch

    AFAIK, unproven if he was a member as opposed to a supporter or sympathizer.

    During the 20s, even Will Rogers (pdf) wouldn’t risk the ire of the Klan.

    See where the Klu Klux is comin’ into New York. Yes, sir, they’re here.

    [pregnant pause]*

    I’m no fool — you ain’t gonna get me tellin’ no jokes about them!

    *editorial addition to the linked transcript to better reflect the pacing of the actual audio.

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    redshirt says:

    Weiner/Wang 2024!

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    hueyplong says:

    @Corner Stone: I’d rather have NC than IN. Ross is a reliable liberal compared to Bayh, but then, who ain’t (other than Joe Manchin)?

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    MomSense says:

    Two more days of GOTV. I think I need to veg out with a non commercial option tonight. The ads are horrendous and I can’t believe he went full on elders of Zion. Once we get this election behind us we have a lot of crap to clean up.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @amk: [Googles “General Flynn”]

    About 32,500,000 results (0.58 seconds)

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Smiling Mortician: I like your map. I don’t think we’re going to get Ohio — and I would be delighted to be wrong. And I think we have a shot at taking Arizona, because of the heft of the Latino/Latina vote. Le’chaim!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Smiling Mortician:

    I don’t care. I’m having a martini.

    Are you? Or are you having vodka in a funnel shaped cold glass?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @MomSense: I think he’s holding off on skull fucking the kitten until Monday night.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone: Come sit next to me.

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    GregB says:

    The question I have is did the 650k emails talking point come from the same liars who
    told Brett Baier that an indictment against Hillary was imminent?

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    hovercraft says:

    So far it’s been typical Tweety nonsense about Trump giving up his strong message that could have worked by going off message too much, Chuck Todd says Bannon was on the right track with the populist message but kept getting sidetracked by all the conspiracy and anti-semetic stuff. He also says that Trump made the same mistake as RMoney. Instead of sticking to his message, he chased news cycles, he kept reaching foe every shiny object instead of simple repeating his core message day after day, it feels good like a B12 shot, but it doesn’t last. Then Kellyanne came on and does what she does best, lie, when Tweety tried to call her on it she coped an attitude and he backed off and let her spew till it was time to cut to Trump.

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    GrandJury says:

    @Lizzy L:

    I think we have a shot at taking Arizona, because of the heft of the Latino/Latina vote.

    Bahahaha! Also unicorns are totally real.

    You “The latinos are showing up this time” people are entertaining as hell.

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    Yutsano says:

    @different-church-lady: Whatever Alice. :)

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    Doug R says:

    @different-church-lady: Canada’s about 10% of the US population, yet we let in roughly the same amount of immigrants. So that scary refugees thing backfired. I believe the US is much closer in its thinking to Canada than Britain, and even Brexit barely passed thanks to the hayseeds who had only seen immigrants on television.

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    Baud says:


    kept getting sidetracked by all the conspiracy and anti-semetic stuff.

    That happened to me at work the other day.

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    Hillz is giving speech talking about everything she wants to accomplish: $15 minimum wage, debt free college, equal pay, etc.

    Trump’s speech is full of venom, hate, settling scores.

    In other words: Both Sides!

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    seaboogie says:

    I did my first ever phone-banking for Hillary today in NorCal, and they rang a little bell indicating an announcement to be made, and once everyone had finished their calls, the FBI/Comey letter was read out to great applause.

    First time for me doing this sort of thing, and honestly – I’m far from a natural at it. But it was so cool to be surrounded by like-minded people, and ringing the bells when we had a confirmed Clinton voter. It was also a sort of awesome pot-luck sort of situation as folks were encouraged to bring food to eat/share, and even a volunteer at the *craft service* table able to tell me that all the vegetarian pizza was gone, but point out the other options available. The lady sitting next to me has a son who worked on the Obama campaign and is traveling from LA to Las Vegas to canvass like Mnem did.

    I feel optimistic about the election, because I cannot imagine that Trump’s crazy campaign has even a smidgen of the organization that Hillary has, and that I witnessed. Towards the end of the afternoon, volunteers were passing out all of the contact info for free rides to the polls in the swing states we were calling.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: It occurs to me that you had a recent birthday. Please accept my belated good wishes.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Corner Stone: Vodka, a splash of Lillet, a drop of Curacao, and a twist. In a bucket.

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    WarMunchkin says:

    Hillary Clinton’s favorability has broken 50%. Eat your goddamn hearts out, GOP.

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    NotMax says:

    @David Blue Wall Koch

    November 9 (AP) – Confirmed that Trump plane leaves Haiti stuffed with dolls.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @GrandJury: Fuck off.

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    The Final Days in The Bunker

    Donald J. Trump is not sleeping much these days.

    Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

    He requires constant assurance that his candidacy is on track.

    And he is struggling to suppress his bottomless need for attention.

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    hovercraft says:

    Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

    Fucking Tweety is trying to peddle the Latinos would be republicans if the GOP would just be nice to them. Maria Therea Kumar says that actually no, the longer you are here, the more democratic they become. He’s like wow, you wouldn’t think it, I still think they would like the GOP because they come from countries where the governments are bad. She is a saint for not calling him a moron.

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    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: I wish Hillary would make a positive case for her own policies instead of just being anti-Trump all the time.

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    Baud says:


    I still think they would like the GOP because they come from countries where the governments are bad

    Normal people’s reaction to that is to want to improve government, not tear it down. Reagan really did a number on a lot of folks.

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    amk says:


    Instead of sticking to his message

    what fucking message?

    fuck chuck toad and his ilk who built up this craven corrupt fuck and now it takes all the time, money and energy of many people trying like hell to undo the damage the media bastards did.

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    hovercraft says:

    Trump just said despite what Comey has done, the investigations will go on because the investigators will not let her get away with her crimes. You can’t review 650K e-mails in 9 days. So the American people must deliver justice.

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    Smiling Mortician says:


    She is a saint for not calling him a moron.

    No. She is not.

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    Bobby Thomson says:


    Edit: can anyone steer me to a thorough analysis of the 538 methodology?

    No, because Nate doesn’t disclose it.

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    hovercraft says:

    Tweety says that because Trump is losing college educated white people, the democrats are now the party of the elites. Democrats are now the elitists.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @hovercraft: That was a disgusting end to that segment.
    And what I have actually enjoyed recently is the change in how people characterize KellyAnne Conway. When she came on, even though she was an obvious no talent hack, they all had to say how smart she was. How professional she was. How her expertise was getting out the women votes for R’s.
    Well, no. She’s a deranged, hate filled hack. And they have all had to stop saying how professional she is and how smart. Because all she does is lie and just lie and then lie again.
    It’s been kind of great, really. And I am looking forward to the time when I never, ever see her or hear her ever again.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Smiling Mortician:

    No. She is not.

    Huh ?

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    Baud says:


    White lives matter.

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    gogol's wife says:


    8:00 Eastern TCM: “When You’re in Love,” 1937, Cary Grant. Not supposed to be a great film, but I repeat 1937 Cary Grant. Easy on the eyes.

    9:00 Easter PBS: “Poldark.” Aidan Turner. Easy on the eyes.

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    Jeffro says:


    Two more days of GOTV. I think I need to veg out with a non commercial option tonight. The ads are horrendous and I can’t believe he went full on elders of Zion. Once we get this election behind us we have a lot of crap to clean up.

    What works for me is to pull up some YouTube videos of comedians (which ones? Why, all of them, Katie) and laugh it out. George Lopez, Sam Kinison, Mitch Hedberg, Louis CK, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, just fire it up and keep going until you feel the tension slip away.

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    Barbara says:

    @jl: I am not a computer expert but I know somthing about evaluating large troves of electronic docs. It is basically the application of filters — first, the metadata (came from Clinton server) then deduping and then reviewing what was new. Or maybe they deduped first. You never need to review every document. One wonders how many people are leveraging the general ignorance about technology. Or how many agents are themselves ignorant.

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    redshirt says:

    @WarMunchkin: NR: But… but…but.. favorability polls!

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    Jeffro says:

    @GrandJury: And you know when Trump loses and then tweets about it and/or gives any sort of press conference, Obama’s going to be merciless, too. He’s been especially on point about how thin-skinned Trump is.

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    hovercraft says:

    It takes fucking Tony Schwartz to point out that POC in that same group are supporting her and democrats. Kasey Hunt points out the also rejected the GOP, Trump was the outsider. BS.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @hovercraft: Morons in positions of influence on the TeeVee need to be called out for it. The saints are the those who call them out.

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    Bobby Thomson says:


    He’s like wow, you wouldn’t think it, I still think they would like the GOP because they come from countries where the governments are bad.

    Does he think they’re homesick?

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    Baud says:


    You can’t review 650K e-mails in 9 days.

    I searched the entire internet is less than a second. Thanks, Google!

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @WarMunchkin: Annoy the media: vote Hillary

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    randy khan says:


    As noted in an earlier thread, in at least one state the number of Latino early voters exceeds the total number of Latino voters in 2012. So either we’ve found a unicorn or perhaps there’s some reason to think there will be an uptick this time. (Like, you know, a candidate who seems to hate them.)

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    Jeffro says:

    @hovercraft: That’s pretty disgusting: “Trump you idiot, all your P-grabbing and lying and sheer idiocy about every issue under the sun would have worked if you could have just STAYED ON MESSAGE” As if that was his biggest flaw.

    I guess in Matthews’ and Todd’s world, it is.

    Fuck them.

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    Bobby Thomson says:


    You can’t review 650K e-mails in 9 days.

    You can dedupe them in a few hours. The unique emails were probably at least an order of magnitude smaller.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Good Christ. Now Paul Ryan is the savior of the HRC administration.

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    amk says:

    Wyeth Ruthven ‏@wyethwire 27m27 minutes ago

    Wyeth Ruthven Retweeted Matt Hamilton

    So you’re ignoring your own poll with a 6 point Trump lead.

    Here’s @latimes final electoral map of the year — Clinton projected to get 352 electoral votes, Trump w/ 186

    fucking cowards running away from their own ‘polls’.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @hovercraft: Ten years ago, when I was last involved in a massive e-discovery project, I was able to use the software of that time to winnow out tens of thousands of non-responsive emails at a time. I am sure the technology has improved in the past decade.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Corner Stone: Howzzat?

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    redshirt says:

    I’m sure a considerable number of you won’t read this, but I’ll try and make it simple:

    GrandJury is Shomi. A noted troll.

    Got it?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @hovercraft: Chris Matthews really, really needs to shut the fuck up and learn something. It’d be the first time since 1968.

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    Baud says:

    @amk: Hahahaha. “Everything we said in the past was bullshit.”

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    hovercraft says:

    I think if they knew that google exists, it might slow down their lying just a tick. Not because of their base, but to give the rest of us less ammo.

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    maryQ says:

    Watching Chris Matthews badger Harold Ford and someone else about why the Democrats can’t get uneducated white people “who didn’t get the breaks” to vote for them. Effin seriously. He seems to think that Hilary had made the Democrats the party of the Ivy League.?

    Tony Schwartz points out that lots of non-white people who didn’t get the breaks are voting for Hilary.

    No one draws the effin line that the white people who didn’t get the breaks won’t vote for Democrats because they are convinced that the Democrats are taking their breaks and giving them to undeserving black and brown people.


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    jl says:

    @Barbara: If they were almost all duplicates, then computer could evaluate meta-data and match against known emails very quickly. Even if 650,000 relatively short emails with some attachments? Could search for likely matching texts in known emails and do a scan for discrepancies in a a couple of seconds. Put a few of workstation type PCs on it and it should be done easily in a couple of days. That is what I’ve read from several experts on the topic, and from what I know of searching data bases and pattern matching, I believe it.

    One IT maven wrote it could easily be done with plenty of coffee breaks and time for deep thoughts.

    Edit: pattern matching, like BLAST Search for any bioinformatics people around here. Can be done very very fast, can be sloppy first pass, plenty of time to go back and redo if match is bad.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I replied:

    Then again, people shouldn’t be getting their tech details from a pair of partisan hacks, 1 convicted of corruption and 1 headed that way.

    Every e-recovery vendor on Earth is laughing at you right now.

    And so are the helicopters…

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Jeffro: Matthews thinks Donald Trump is, underneath it all, a blue-collar antiwar populist who just gets tripped up by his big mouth and red-blooded American masculinity sometimes. Probably because Chris Matthews fancies himself a blue-collar antiwar populist who just gets tripped up by his big mouth and red-blooded American masculinity sometimes.

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    amk says:

    @amk: fucked up the linky.

    I balme cole.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Yes that was special, I heard that this afternoon as well, but Tweety saying he has to decide if wants to be “a great Speaker or president” is so fucking mind blowing.

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    Procopius says:

    @Roger Moore: Comey is a very capable lawyer. That is, he has spent his lifetime crafting words and rhetoric. He had to have known very well how his ambiguous phrasing would allow for over-the-top interprectaion. His letter was all wink-wink-nudge-nudge. There was nothing about it that suggests it was meant to be “bland.” Also, too, Rudy Giuliani spoke of it two days before it was sent to Chaffetz, so it was a Trump/Roger Stone ratfcking operation. Maybe the letter was not written by Comey but was presented to him with an ultimatum — put this out as your work or we’ll destroy you. Good grief, I’m starting to think in terms of conspiracies. I’ll be glad if this year ends well.

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    Joel says:

    @Punchy: dem senate control is inferred 70% likelihood at predictwisr

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    I wonder if some subliminal bigotry is prompting that.

    Seriously? This is a question for you at this point? Exactly what would they have to do to cinch it for you? Asking for a friend.

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    dmsilev says:

    @maryQ: Chris Matthews fundamentally believes that only the opinions of people like Chris Matthews matter. Or, rather, people like the idealized view Chris Matthews has of himself.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @redshirt: Did I miss the reference to pantswetting?

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    amk says:

    to spittler tweety and all the cable teevee peter’s principle hacks.

    digby ‏@digby56 3m3 minutes ago

    It looks like election of the1st woman by most diverse coalition in history w/be interpreted by media as being all about what white men need

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): No. No, the helicopters are *not* laughing.

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    Larkspur says:

    @seaboogie: That’s impressive, and very cool.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

    Um…. ew. Caligula? a bloated and gout-ridden Louis XIV? there’s a historical analogy there somewhere

    @maryQ: I heard that on the car radio. Tweety didn’t seem to get the point. Shocking, I know. Harold Ford…. Your time went without coming.
    ETA: Looking over the thread, looks like Tommy Lee Jones has erased Tweety’s memories of Obama and Bush and he’s right back in hi s1998 mode.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl (et al.)

    May have missed it, but AFAIK no warrant has yet been issued to begin any culling or other examination.

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    @Smiling Mortician: Trust us, they’re the same creature.

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    @hovercraft: oh, fuck Tweety. He’s an old man with arrested development, suck in the 50s.

    In 1940, 95% of the public were non-college voters. In 2012, that demo had shrunk to a mere 21%.

    It’s a vanishing demographic.

    Now there should be good policies aimed at all demographics, but it makes no sense to only focus on one demo.

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    redshirt says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Approximately 50% of posters have no idea and will debate him. Hopefully the bold caught their attention, though I doubt that too.

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    jl says:

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): I think helpful to distinguish between whites who honestly do not perceive themselves a bigots and the self-conscious alt righters and racists and antisemites. Both can produces words and decisions that add up to ugly racism, but I think there is a difference. You might disagree. That is fine.

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    Peale says:

    @maryQ: far be it from me to knock him off his fake populist high horse. I agree, though, that 30 odd years of ivy leaguers in the White House hasn’t led to peace and equality. But for Christ’s sake, Chris. What policies does Trump have that will actually improve things? Oh great. We’ll force ourselves to run cars on Appalachian coal. Maybe the 400 ship navy he wants to build will run on steam engines. It won have any sailors because we won’t be paying for those. But gosh golly, I’m sure Trump has thought of something.

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    jl says:

    @NotMax: To my knowledge, a warrant was issued last weekend.

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    redshirt says:

    @Smiling Mortician: Ball Juice is your key phrase but now, he’s mixing up his game a bit, unlike RtR who is uncapable of doing so.

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    @redshirt: There should be a troll filter with a centrally-maintained list.

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    redshirt says:

    @Major Major Major Major: There should be a lot of things. WP seems like a terrible platform.

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    Chet Murthy says:

    @Barbara: “Duplicative” of what others have said, but

    (a) part of the email standard (RFC822) is a message-id. That message-id is for all intents and purposes a unique identifier. When that is a “hit”, you can dedupe trivially.

    (b) but also, modern search-engine technology is (at its base) about -efficiently- finding documents that are similar to each other, and to your search query. There’s lots more after that, but fundamentally, that where it all starts.

    So …. yea, 650k emails is kinda trivial to get down to those that -might- be responsive, of those, the ones that are or are not obvious dups of known emails, and then of the ones that might be responsive, and aren’t obvious dups, yeah, you have to review manually. But by that time, your text-analysis methods have usually eliminated most of the stuff that would waste people’s time.

    At least, that’s my understanding of the area. I’m a computer scientist, and have a passing understanding of the area (information retrieval) but am certainly not an expert.

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    Jeffro says:


    Matthews thinks Donald Trump is, underneath it all, a blue-collar antiwar populist who just gets tripped up by his big mouth and red-blooded American masculinity sometimes. Probably because Chris Matthews fancies himself a blue-collar antiwar populist who just gets tripped up by his big mouth and red-blooded American masculinity sometimes.

    Yeah maybe…Matthews clearly has some anti-HRC if not anti-woman issues, and he clearly keeps trying his best to identify with whatever he perceives as “blue collar”. Why that is, I don’t know and don’t care.

    What I can’t stand is that he’d rather still talk about possibilities, ways Trump could have kept it close, coulda won it all!, rather than just note that Trump is a disgusting human being unfit for elected office at any level, full stop. No need for commentary on how he could have won if he’d just stayed ON MESSAGE (god that is all these dumb ass talking heads care about)…perhaps just for once, Matthews could simply note that Trump iis a nightmare of a human being and his party is beyond off the rails for nominating him. Full fucking stop.

    I mean, they could spend the next entire six months looking at the racism, Bannon’s connections, the Russia angles, what the taxes hid, the 12+ instances of sexual assault, the recent failing of yet another Trump business in Toronto, the report of Trump’s buddy at the Enquirer buying off a Playmate who had cheated with him a year after he married Melania, fer chrissakes…and just keep going. That’s just the Trump stuff – they could do another six months of shows breathlessly covering the cowardice of every single elected person in the GOP with the possible exception of (gack) Mitt freakin’ Romney and Jennifer Rubin.

    but they won’t…they’d rather gossip and game out scenarios where Trump could have won, because they are such sage observers of the national political scene and how else are we to benefit from their wisdom if they don’t go back over this election eight ways to Sunday and point out ways that Trump could have won. Trump was never going to quit being Trump, so QUIT FUCKING WASTING TIME, Matthews, and point out every disgusting sleaze ball who enabled him to even get this far.

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    @David 🍁▶️📘Blue Wall📘▶️🍁 Koch: of course, people like Tweety don’t care about working class economics, rather they’re frightened white male privilege will take a dent.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Interestingly, I do trust you on this. I’m mostly of the who-cares-which-troll-the-troll-is school of thought. But all knowledge is good, right?

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    GrandJury says:

    @redshirt: I gotta say that it is bizarre there are people like you who obsess over some guy on a friggin backwoods swap blog making comments. I don’t give a fuck either way but it’s kinda cool to have such dedicated stalkers I guess….lol.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I have become rather fond of Gabriel Yglesias (aka Fluffy), myself. Sometimes the popular guys are actually really good.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @redshirt: Ah, thanks. I’ll add it to my list.

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    @Smiling Mortician: This one is just particularly dumb and for whatever reason bugs the everloving CRAP out of me :)

    @redshirt: WP is terrible.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Corner Stone: Even the helicopters are sick of this election.

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    redshirt says:

    @GrandJury: I tire of your unchanging shtick. Change your game up, brah.

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    Barbara says:

    @jl: And if you think about it for five seconds emails sent to Abedin from the private server were in the sent folder they already looked at unless deleted from the second but not the first. Sounds like there were not many of those. All these people like Kerik and Conway are showing is their vast ignorance of technology. Or their bad faith. When it is a choice between stupid and evil stupid is usually the nore likely answer but this is probably a close call. Let us say that they are probably ignorant but even if they aren’t they are likely to lie about it anyway.

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    p.a. says:

    backwoods swap blog

    this should become a tag

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    RollSound says:


    The “-400” means the bet is favored to win. You would need to bet $400 to win $500. That’s equivalent to an 80% chance to win.

    If you see a bet like “+400”, that’s an underdog bet. If you bet $100 and won, you’d get $500. That implies a 20%!chanxe to win.

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    redshirt says:

    @Barbara: I think many Repukes are deeply stupid.

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    Peale says:

    @dedc79: lol. Yes. Really. The next Secretary of State should just release all of her emails in real time. Cause you know, diplomacy has always been all about making conversations public.

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    hovercraft says:

    Tweety says the Ashcroft hospital bedside story convinced him Comey was a good guy, and that’s that. Never mind precedent.Dan Rather thinks the rigged election/system means that we are in a dangerous place. Jeff Greenfield, says the fact that they will believe the next president is a criminal, that 3 senators say no new SC justice, almost defaulting on the national debt, we across the Rubicon. He says he has no faith the GOP will do the right thing is interested in their desire to govern. Rather says he has faith in the American people, who will want the president to get things done, so he doesn’t think it matters what kind of concession speech Trump gives. Greenfield says a man who goes to the Al Smith dinner and says she hates catholics shows that he is capable of anything. Tweety laughs and chuckles yes he did, he doesn’t want to accept that Trump is really a racist fucking troll. Susan Page says she can overcome this by getting something done by reaching across the aisle. Rather says she can do this by being humble and magnanimous, something he’s never seen her be. Greenfield says if she does something with Ryan democrats will howl because we hate compromise. So basically an entire segment saying she needs to knuckle under to the rethugs or it’s her fault when nothing gets done.
    Useless pieces of shit all 4 of them.

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    MomSense says:

    Nachos,beer and whoopie pie cake for dinner. Haven’t decided between Poldark or Chance yet but I’m not watching MSNBC. Caught a bit of Matthews and that was a bit too much.

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    jl says:

    @hovercraft: Why are you doing this to yourself?

    Hey, gang, news talky show over exposure red alert intervention needed for hovercraft.

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    Peale says:



    annon was on the right track with the populist message but kept getting sidetracked by all the conspiracy and anti-semetic stuff.

    They really can’t get around to actually reading Breitburt, can they? They really can’t believe that a wealthy guy like Bannon might actually believe the stuff he writes and that it isn’t some game he’s cynically playing to get eyeballs. Bannon absolutely believes that those missing white voters didn’t show up for Romney because they weren’t sufficiently tuned into the racism. He absolutely believes that he’s speaking for everyone that matters. He very much believes that there are too many Hispanics in the country and that Jews are too powerful. That’s his solution. But, goodness, they can’t believe that about him because he’s wealthy and used to be a banker.

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    redshirt says:

    @hovercraft: Save yourself. Kill your TV.

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    @hovercraft: Why on earth would any Democratic president, especially the next one, reach across the aisle for ANYTHING right now? Their seditious hissy fit has rendered them the DISLOYAL opposition, and unfit to serve. NO GOPers in the administration, NO kissing up to them in the name of false bipartisanship, and screw Tweety and the rest of the beer hall putsch-lite crowd if they don’t like it.

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    jl says:


    ” Chuck Todd says Bannon was on the right track with the populist message but kept getting sidetracked by all the conspiracy and anti-semetic stuff. ”

    Todd doesn’t understand that the populist message was the side track? To the extent that it is not a cynical sales bait-and-switch, their populism is a confused feeling that the global Jewish banker and college educated snotty liberal eggheads and white race traitors are ripping off good white folk and giving stuff away to minorities. That is literally all there is to it. No actual knowledge, no interest, no actual populist, or even progressive ideas. Just bigotry and bitterness. A few Trumpers, notaably Ivanka, showed them how it was done, but they had no understanding or interest. 90 percent of Trump’s proposals are reactionary trickle down SOP GOP, and most of the rest is a few mindless slogans.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Baud: I’m pretty sure I am the one that put her over the top.

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    jl says:

    @WaterGirl: Need a name for the phenom. Will be needed if she (God willing!) is elected.
    How about ‘The Benghazi Boomerang’?

    Edit: And, yes, the progressive hobo vote goes to Hillz, obvs. Landslide.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @jl: For me it was when she handled the Trump stalking at the debate without getting rattled. Maybe you can come up with a clever name from that.

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    @redshirt: The only reaching out to the other side Hillary should do is with a ruler.

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    Vhh says:

    @Corner Stone: if D’s win 4 seats and hold NV, they are at 51.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Vhh: They are at 44 +2 I’s unless I am mistaken?

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    Cermet says:

    Fore-sight or just anger, Mr. Cole? Heard that a Steeler kicker did the same thing as in your post … lol.
    AS for the election, Hillary and the Senate take control … for two years. Once again, like President Obama’s first term … .

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