Maybe a little more complex than my usual Saturday-morning offering, but what better morning to listen to a half-hour interview? Lots of real content, too.
As previously mentioned, a few of us (at least six, maybe as many as eight or nine) will be getting together at Su Chang’s in Peabody, starting at 5pm this evening. I’m sure they can find us another chair or two if you’re in the area and discover a gap in your schedule.
And of course, there’s plenty GOTV work to be done just over the border…
Craig McMahon says:
A great idea would be for anyone planning on going to the meet-up to head just a litttttle further north to 15 Ermer Rd in Salem, NH at 12:00pm, knock a few GOTV doors for yours truly, then finish by 3pm, debrief with me, remind me there’s still sanity in the world and good Democrats in my party, then bomb up to Peabody and send everyone who can’t make it my warmest regards and fondest wishes.GOTV door knocking is the easiest door knocking in the world! We spent the last 4 months finding you Democrats, so you can go, meet cute dogs, talk to wonderful liberals, remind them to vote, and have me charm you all with my canvass training and Keurig ability.
Apart from that, what’s on the agenda for the day?
RaflW
Sleepy bunch a Juicers this mornin
Gator90
Going to the Miami-Pittsburgh (college) football game with my elderly and somewhat infirm father-in-law, who despite worshipping Trump is a truly lovely man. For some years it has been my pleasurable duty to accompany him to Miami home games, with me providing transportation and him paying for my ticket and all the beer I can drink. (Fortunately for us and for society at large, beer sales cease after halftime.) But it’s getting bittersweet because he has decided, after attending virtually every game for 60-plus years, that this is his last season of doing so due to the rigors involved. Ah, well. Go Gators and Hurricanes!
Betty Cracker
PEE-buddy! (That’s how they say it up there.)
OzarkHillbilly
@RaflW: Speak for yourself. I’ve been up since 3:15.
Found this on the Post Disgrace’s front page this Morn: Two officers shot in Arnold, suspect in custody
If I didn’t know better I would swear Dwight Yoakam was working up a new song:
Thank Dawg there was a good man with a gun there to exchange threats with this idiot, elsewise he’d have killed hundreds, HUNDREDS I tell you!
Arclite
Maher missed a good point to Obama that Atheists are among the least trusted Americans in polls, even lower than Muslims.
That being said, it’s interesting to hear Obama speak intelligently on such a broad array of topics. Good stuff. We’re gonna miss him, and fuck the GOP for not working with him. At all.
Gator90
@Arclite: I remember being struck by a poll taken some years ago (when homophobia was more prevalent than today) indicating that most Americans would prefer a gay president to an atheist one. Go figure.
TheMightyTrowel
@Betty Cracker: PEE-buhDEE actually #MassholePedantry
ThresherK
@Betty Cracker: I thought it was more PEEbuhdeee, heavy PEE (haha), slight accent on the “deee” but not as strong as the first syllable. Almost like CHICKaDeee.
OzarkHillbilly
Folks, you might want to rid yourselves of anything from Samsung:
Something tells me that if they want any loyalty they’d better up that incentive.
to include a Kevlar full body suit, Kevlar gloves, boots and helmet with face shield,
OzarkHillbilly
@Gator90: We are godless heathens after all, with out any kind of code of ethics. Even Satan worshipers have a code.
NotMax
Good read.
Follow the money to see why Putin is rooting for a Trump victory
And another.
ThresherK
@OzarkHillbilly: Sounds like the robot uprising in Futurama. I gotta worry about at my stand mixer, ceiling fan and electric toothbrush now?
raven
@Gator90: St Mark wil be in the house.
OzarkHillbilly
@ThresherK: Yes, apparently you do, especially that toothbrush. That’s like brushing your teeth with a lit M80.
rikyrah
Good Morning?,Everyone?
rikyrah
Saw the first episode of The Crown. Loved it. I am hooked.?
Truegster
Purposefully staying away from election news until the big night. I reminded every fellow traveller at work that early voting ended Friday, then was unable to early vote myself so now I have to go to the circus that will be on Tuesday. I’m going to be watching a marathon of Documentary – that comedy with Bill Hader and Fred Armisen to relieve stress, finish Fallout 4. I missed early voting because I bought some Dali Concept speakers on Craigslist that I’m going to resale on Ebay- it’s my side job. Listening to Bonobo – Black Sands right now, I highly recommend it.
Taylor
Strange that he credited the “founding fathers” with the idea that the President should eventually stand down.
It wasn’t until after FDR served four terms that Congress introduced term limits for the Presidency. My sense is that, after what they had seen with dictatorships in Europe, the Powers That Be were nervous about a less benign FDR serving in perpetuity.
If anything, Washington could have been Leader For Life if he had so chosen.
Just funny the way the founding fathers get fetishized in this country. They were largely a bunch of landowners who didn’t want to pay for the French-American War. The working class did not have much of a stake in the War of Independence, they were not truly enfranchised until non-landowners were allowed to vote for the Senate.
Aleta
@OzarkHillbilly: First laugh out in many days. Thanks.
satby
Good morning! Saw that clip in FB and so watched that before wandering over here. Good stuff. And a comedian does a better interview than any journalist ever AGAIN.
I have a Samsung TV. It’s been behaving, but I’ll watch from the next room over just in case ?
JPL
@rikyrah: Good Morning!
Baud
@satby: Yes, I was impressed how Maher let Obama talk. He always seemed like an interrupter.
WarMunchkin
@Taylor: I think the point is that Washington did choose.
I’ll be volunteering for Hillary in PA, once I drag my rear out of bed and to the bus.
satby
@Taylor: Not so strange really, because two terms was customary and based on George Washington’s stepping down after two terms despite public pleading that he stay on. It was made a law after FDR, true, but it did start with Washington.
Baud
@Taylor:
I think that was Obama’s point. It wasn’t legally prohibited until after FDR, but that was the expectation because of Washington.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: Yup, me too. I also like the happy coincidence that actor who played Henry VIII’s doomed wife in “Wolf Hall” gets to play the descendant as well.
OzarkHillbilly
@Aleta: I live to serve (humbly bows)
@satby: You don’t have a penguin** on top of it, do you? If so they may be plotting together.
**(it occurs to me that unless one is a true Monty Python fan, that might be too obscure a reference, oh well)
Gator90
@raven: I could be totally wrong, but I still think Richt did a great job in Athens and will do likewise in Coral Gables. He has to do some big-time recruiting, though. The cupboard he inherited at UM is very far from full.
NotMax
@Taylor
22nd amendment was strongly supported and pushed by Thomas Dewey (who FDR has drubbed in the ’44 election), and passed through by the post-war Republican-controlled Congress. Took several years for ratification by 2/3 of the states.
Efforts to repeal have been made periodically, gaining some traction during Reagan’s second term but eventually petering out.
Several presidents prior to FDR had sought a third term or expressed interest in one, but were denied nomination by their party.
magurakurin
@Baud: He was clearly humbled by Obama’s presence and the office. And I think he also does truly respect Obama quite a bit. But Obama is so thoughtful. When Bill asked him if America needed to be an empire Obama basically answered yes and he more or less had Maher agreeing with him.
And let’s go Hillary…close the deal here on Tuesday…like Atrios said “win Florida so we can go to bed early.”
MJS
@Gator90: I’m sorry, but “truly lovely man” and “worshipping Trump” are mutually exclusive. Did you perhaps mean to say, “really nice to me and others he knows personally, but doesn’t care one bit about those not in his immediate sphere and has crackpot ideas about where this country is and where it needs to go”?
Raven
@Gator90: as was the one he left here
NotMax
@satby
Washington set a precedent, but cited his age as his primary consideration and offered a nod amenable to further terms being available to those to follow in the Farewell Address.
Relevant excerpt:
Raven
Did y’all see the split screen on The Last Word with Beyoncé and Sam Wang?
http://election.princeton.edu/2016/11/05/beyonce-and-me/#comments
JPL
The interview made me sad, because the President is truly a great man who will be missed. Just the idea that he might have to turn over the White House to the Orange buffoon, should send us all into a rage.
Baud
@Raven: They should go on tour together.
Paul in KY
@Gator90: Hope y’all have a great time. Go Canes (but not Gators)!
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: I’m guessing these idjits were all white…
Paul in KY
@Taylor: It was Pres. Washington who gave up after 2 terms, when he could have served on. I guess that was what the President was talking about. Jackson also only served 2, and that megalomaniac probably could have served/won more terms.
Paul in KY
@Betty Cracker: Who’s that? I didn’t think any of Henry VIII’s kids had any living into recent times descendants. The British royal family traces their descent through a sister of Henry VIIIs (who was an ancestor of Mary Queen of Scots & daughter of Henry VII – Queen Elizabeth).
OzarkHillbilly
@Paul in KY: Arnold is Jefferson County’s (Cracker central) main contribution to the STL metropolitan area. There are a few blacks living there but the cops not shooting back after they get shot kinda screams “white perpetrator”.
OGLiberal
Black dude kills some cops we get days/weeks of endless/breathless coverage. Clearly racist white dude kills a couple cops in cold blood in Iowa? Coverage ends the moment they catch him and find out he’s a white dude. Meh, white dude murdering white cops just not a story…he was troubled…I mean, of course he killed them, he just lost custody of his kids. Poor guy…
It amazes me that anybody thinks the media has a liberal bias. Heck, wing nuts now think Fox is liberal because some broad on the network challenged Trump. I’d argue that they have a white bias. And, by default, that’s a conservative bias because the majority of white folks in this country are voting for a racist, misogynist, narcissist, authoritarian idiot this year because they fear the lady running (and some just fear that…that she’s a woman) will give brown people free stuff and things like rights.
I think Clinton will win. What disgusts me is how many of my fellow white Americans will be voting for Trump. And many don’t like him. But they’ll vote for him not because of emails or the Clinton Foundation (do they even know what it is or that it exists?) but because Clinton will continue giving free Obamaphones to lazy negroes.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, I was 99.999% sure they were white when the police don’t fire back after getting shot in the face (guess it’s a tell). I’m pretty damned white & I would expect them to fire at me in those circumstances.
They must have been super-albino-white!
Iowa Old Lady
I’ve decided I don’t know what pundits are talking about when they use the word “enthusiasm.” You’d think standing in line for hours to vote early because you just can’t wait would suggest enthusiasm.
Also, re atheists, I think that a lot of people believe that if people who don’t the fear of hell to curb their base instincts would just run wild. Says something bad about them, I think.
Bobby Thomson
@Betty Cracker: Doesn’t everyone? Or just Jay Ward fans?
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady:
You could have ended the paragraph there.
Gindy51
@Paul in KY: James the 4th of Scotland and the 1st of England. Traced through Margaret Tudor, Henry’s sister.
OzarkHillbilly
@Paul in KY: Not only white, he had a gun too, and everyone knows that gives him the presumption of innocence beyond anything your lying eyes may tell you. Just ask the Bundy’s.
satby
Ugh, time to get ready for work. I never finish what I need to in my days off. Wasn’t a big problem when I worked from home, so I’m still adjusting.
Everyone have a great day, see you in the flip.
OGLiberal
@Paul in KY: Is it me or is almost every white dude involved in a standoff with cops who doesn’t shoot himself taken into custody rather than riddled with bullets. Where I’m at in NJ some white cop chased his ex-wife down in his car then shot her dead in front of other cops with their guns drawn on him. Of course, they immediately shot him dead. Of course, they didn’t, they negotiated with him while his wife lay dying. (His young daughter was in his car, watching) and he’s now alive, plead to manslaughter and likely won’t serve the full 30.
Gator90
@MJS:
Well, yeah, kinda. Sigh. (Fortunately Mrs. Gator, who despises Trump but brooks no criticism of her father, seldom reads these comments.)
OzarkHillbilly
@Gator90: I give a pass to people speaking of relatives. They see a side the rest of us can never know. Besides, we all know the “Don’t you talk about my Mama…” rule.
rikyrah
@JPL:
We did not deserve him, but I am so happy that we had him.
Quinerly
The woman who accused Trump of raping her when she was 13 dismissed her suit late yesterday afternoon. Politico reporting…..
Currants
@Betty Cracker: Or “PEE-bur-dee” as the older new englanders say… (emphasis on first, middle syll weakest, last syll longest, but both the last two are shorter than the first.)
Kay
Baier is getting credit for “apologizing” so I would just like to point out what he actually said:
It’s a horrible apology. It isn’t that “indictment” is a loaded word. It’s that it was bullshit from the get-go. FBI agents don’t indict people. And thank God for that or they’d be charging people for belonging to the wrong political party.
I know the FBI joining the Donald Trump campaign while they’re also on the public payroll probably corrodes faith in government, but we could compare the FBI to other federal agencies and look at the bright side- the IRS didn’t leak the fraud’s tax returns and immigration didn’t leak the fraud’s wife’s immigration records.
The FBI aren’t just bad. They’re stand-out, uniquely bad among their colleagues.
OzarkHillbilly
@Quinerly: the Guardian:
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Gator90
@Raven: Fair point. Georgia does not appear to have one of its more talented rosters. But it will be interesting to see what Eason (who if I recall correctly was initially recruited by Richt) turns into with some more seasoning. A big-time QB is half the battle IMHO.
Immanentize
Dear Anne Laurie ef al.,
I was a maybe for the Peebuhdee dinner, but I will sadly have to decline. My son’s robotics meeting is in the way of me joining you all. But please take pictures!
Written from Medford (pronounce “Meh-fuhd.”)
PsiFighter37
The WSJ (of all papers) is running an article about a model that was paid $150k by the National Enquirer about an affair Trump had after marrying Melania…and then quashed it.
Too bad that one didn’t come out earlier…
Kay
I talked my conservative friend Jody out of voting yesterday. He loathes Trump but he’s actually a conservative so he says he can’t vote for Clinton which I understand- I would have a very hard time voting for a conservative even to stop an insane Democrat.
I don’t think anyone ever really “talks” anyone into anything, so I suspect what he was really doing by stopping by the office was venting and firming up his intention not to vote because he’s 40-something and a regular voter so his habit is to vote. Anyway, I’m an idiot so I made him “shake on it” which I’m embarrassed about. This “shake on it” thing just came out of nowhere- we’re friends so I don’t ordinarily make him enter into awkward vows ;)
He shook my hand but he’s probably thinking “she’s gone insane too”.
Immanentize
@PsiFighter37: That 150k from the Enquirer was hush money.
debbie
@Kay:
Wow. Not even Nixon’s lies could be described as “inartful.”
Quinerly
@OzarkHillbilly:
Was aware of the prior dismissals. Just had hoped that this time she wouldn’t dismiss it.
Taylor
@Iowa Old Lady:
I remember, as a lapsed Catholic, attending a service after 9/11 in a leafy liberal suburb of NJ half an hour from NYC, where the priest blamed 9/11 on the “False God of Science.”
Baud
@Kay: We’re going to win Ohio by one vote, Kay.
Baud
@Taylor: To be fair, science is responsible for planes and tall buildings.
OzarkHillbilly
@PsiFighter37:
Well, that’s one way of saying they decided not to print a story they have exclusive life time rights to. ;-)
OzarkHillbilly
Got anything Kay?
WereBear
@Quinerly: If Trump is guilty, he knows who she is.
Quinerly
@WereBear:
Yep.
Betty Cracker
@Gator90: I hear ya. At least half of my relatives are voting for Trump. My sweet old 90-something grandma would if someone would take her to the polls. I am “busy” that day.
Kay
@Baud:
They think they are going to win Ohio. I don’t get any sense from the Clinton organizer that they’ve given up at all. It doesn’t mean anything – this is their job, winning Ohio but there is NO sense of defeat or going thru the motions.
Jody is really low key. He’s temperamentally conservative and that’s what he loathes about Trump-the loudness and bragging and insults. He’s just horrified by this person. He also has an autistic son so I wonder if the ad showing Trump mocking disabled people (which played over and over here) went into it.
Baud
@Kay: It’s always different for conservatives when it’s their own at issue.
All these big shot conservatives voting for Hillary, you’d think it would represent about 10% of GOP voters. Doesn’t seem like it.
@Betty Cracker: Voter suppression! Good for you.
OzarkHillbilly
@Quinerly: It’s a story where I go, “Hmmm… don’t like the smell of this guy. Did he drum it all up? Or was she just unfortunate to get conned by him?” Con actors are good at manipulating people. Hard to know. There is also the allegations of death threats. Pretty sure those are accurate.
Possessing the info I have, my sympathies are with the woman, fuck everybody else.
WarMunchkin
There’s a swarm of people in Lower Manhattan waiting to be deployed to PA by the Hillary team. Can’t hear the organizers very well, but it looks like they don’t have remotely enough buses for the number of volunteers and will likely turn a whole lot of people away.
Baud
@WarMunchkin: But how are they combating the lack of enthusiasm?
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
i don’t think real voting rights people take Stone seriously. What real voting rights people take seriously is state law and administrative rules that act to disenfranchise members of certain groups. These wingnut groups are grifting orgs- they don’t have these armies they claim to have and Democrats actually DO have an army of volunteer lawyers in Ohio. There are 88 counties so in a county like mine (30k people) there is one volunteer lawyer but in an urban country there would be tens.
They also sued the RNC (the judge dismissed that part for lack of evidence). The goal of this lawsuit (IMO, but I’m right) was not “Stone” it was to extend the consent decree the RNC entered into in the 1990’s. They agreed to stop bothering black people at polling places and the consent decree they entered into needs to be extended. So if that was the goal they lost.
OzarkHillbilly
@Taylor: Huh. So it was a bunch of fanatical scientists who hijacked those planes. The things I learn here!
Schlemazel
@OzarkHillbilly:
The fact is anything with a litium-ion battery is more than capable of doing this. Whatever Samsung did to fail so badly needs to be fixed but there are plenty of videos on youtube of other things, not just cell phones, going off like a road flair. Yes, unload your note 7 but don’t assume this couldn’t happen to something you already own or will buy in the near future.
ET
I am going to miss him being in the White House.
CarolDuhart2
Schlemazel
@ThresherK:
How about your hybrid car? Those are lithium-ion I believe. Bet one of those would make a toasty garage
WereBear
It says a lot about the mindset: to them, science is not a set of known facts about the physical world, but a competing “team.”
Our county office got set up as a voting place yesterday (we all work at another office or at home that day) and one of the poll workers exclaimed, “I can’t wait for this election to be over.”
Me, I started with Trump fatigue.
CarolDuhart2
@OzarkHillbilly: On the other hand, it’s hard to find a lawyer who will take on these cases against celebrities, so any port in a storm. One of the heartbreaking things about situations like this is that young victims are often intimidated, lack money, and don’t know if they will be believed-all of which will take you past the statute of limitations. By the time you get enough together to do something-and feel safe enough to even try..
Kay
@Baud:
He’s the type of conservative I understand. He genuinely doesn’t believe these good things liberals promise will happen.
My eldest son is temperamentally conservative but he’s in Chicago so that makes him a centrist Democrat :)
You tell him about prek and he’s like “whatever, but it probably won’t make any difference”.
Poopyman
@Betty Cracker: Well, you could pick her up at her place, get her deeply involved in a conversation, and pull back into her place two hours later and congratulate her on voting.
WarMunchkin
@Baud: I assume they’re going to make us walk to PA to find out who is really enthusiastic. We have no purity tests as Democrats, just physical endurance. But seeing this crowd, we have enough enthusiasm to March to Tallahassee if need be.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Huge lines for Hispanic voters in NV yesterday. Tweets saying NV already in the bag for Hillary.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: Thanks.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: You are saving Grandma from herself :)
Schlemazel
@Taylor:
Washington was originally offered the job of President for Life, the 4-year the 4-year vote thing came in with the Constitution and He set the standard that lived till FDR.
One thing about the founders, they didn’t really trust each other & they sure as hell did not trust the average citizen. They built a system designed to make sure none of those people could ever have free reign. It looked genius for the last couple of hundred years because, with one nasty exception most people tried mostly to work through their differences & find solutions. We are now in a second period of one group refusing to do that and all those checks & balances work in their favor.
indycat32
@Schlemazel: That happened in Indianapolis just this week. From the Indy Star: The lithium ion batteries in the Tesla broke apart and burned in sparking, violent flames. Some firefighters compared the scene to fireworks.
“Crews were preparing to make the rescue effort,” Indianapolis Fire Department Battalion Chief Kevin Jones said. “At the same time, some of those smaller (battery) cells that had broken apart were firing off almost like projectiles around the rescuers.”
Baud
@Kay:
Hell, I’m often skeptical too. But I know the difference between good and evil and the importance of making an effort to make good things happen.
TS
@OGLiberal: And just to mention the white dude outside the voting with his open carry intimidating voters. Police say it’s an open carry state, they can’t do anything. How long would a black guy survive in a similar situation.
OzarkHillbilly
@CarolDuhart2: The victims don’t have to be young for all the rest to follow.
Anya
@Iowa Old Lady: I’ve watched a segment on CNN where a reporter interviewed Hillary Clinton supporters waiting in line to get in a rally in North Carolina. After they interviewed a bunch of young and old supporters tell them they were here for Hillary and they would support her no matter who her opponent was, the following panel continued to talk about how Trump supporters are so enthusiastic for their candiate while Clinton campaign lacks enthusiasm. It was literally the first question the anchor asked. The cable news is trash.
WarMunchkin
Oof, they’re turning away at least 200 people, as far as I can hear.
Kay
@Baud:
When I was in law school I was sort of courted by the libertarian law students. Maybe they just needed a girl but they sensed an opening or something because they were all palling around with me first year. One of them once made fun of me for being “the kind of person who passes out flyers” (which I don’t do but I might consider that! Sure! Hand me that stack!) and I laughed just at the level of contempt he had for someone who might do that. It’s like…excess to them. They’re pessimists. They fundamentally don’t believe in “progress”.
Johannes
All this talk about Washington has put One Last Time From Hamilton in my head. This after seeing Ron Chernow speak about his bio, working with Lin Manuel Miranda on the show (he rapped the first verse of “Alexander Hamilton” –and did it pretty well– to an audience of historians, archivists, and curators. But not the Curator.)
Schlemazel
@indycat32:
As a firefighter I saw maybe half a dozen car fires & all the plastic and oils really put on a heck of a show but videos of exploding batteries really bring it to a new level.
Matt McIrvin
@Iowa Old Lady:
That’s part of it. Also, a couple of other things:
1. Atheists find it easier to pass in society than basically any other despised group, even gay people. Especially in an age when many self-identified Christians don’t actually go to church–the vast majority of atheists just don’t behave in any visibly atypical manner. So most people don’t even know who is an atheist, and their imaginations can run away.
2. The out-and-proud atheists who make a big deal about their atheism (such as Bill Maher!) often actually are complete assholes. That doesn’t help.
Schlemazel
@Anya:
You just noticed?
I keep waiting for everyone to realize it. Their audiences are small but still way too big for what they do. Spread the word & maybe they will reach 0 before they have destroyed the nation.
hedgehog mobile
Morning Juicers. We’re in Santa Fe for an SCA event (a break from modern life being needed). Tapas last night at La Boca and maybe a trip to 10,000 Waves (an amazing Japanese style spa) depending on how the day goes. Back up to Denver tomorrow.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Good morning! I’m hooked on The Crown, too. I watched a few episodes last night. Took an election/mental health break because today the GOTV four day marathon begins.
OzarkHillbilly
@Matt McIrvin:
We’re evil too, soooooo EEEEEEEVILLLLLLL…… “Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh…. ” he says rubbing his hands together in anticipation
Brachiator
I finally got through my California voter guide and will try to do early voting today. To paraphrase The Caine Mutiny:
The way these last days are getting crazy, I want to be able to relax on Tuesday and just wait for the results to roll in.
OzarkHillbilly
First time I have heard of this kind of behavior (picture at link)
debit
Morning, everyone. I’m going to try to ignore everything political today. First up is breakfast at the local cafe, then an Ikea run for some shelves for my garage, and then, since it’s going to be warm, a trip to the river with the dogs so they can run and splash at will.
BellyCat
@TheMightyTrowel: PIB-aDee
#CambridgePedantry, #FormerResident
WereBear
Which is crap; you don’t get people who survived the Great Depression, thanks to the New Deal, thinking like that.
This is one of those indulgences people give their feelings. Could be half a world away from facts, and they don’t care.
I know I’m wonky that way; I can overrride my feelings with actual reality, and don’t understand people who cannot, or will not, do that.
Brachiator
@Iowa Old Lady:
Actually, I think the most common challenge I’ve received when I tell a Christian that I am not a believer is “Don’t you want to go to heaven?”
I generally try to avoid the subject when visiting friends and family back in Texas during the holidays. It’s funny. They would treat me as if I were not quite right in the head because they simply cannot imagine that I would not believe in and accept Baby Jesus. Their attitude is not malicious, and it’s not fear based.
WarMunchkin
Well, that was the shortest volunteering session ever. Way way way over capacity. At least it’s too many volunteers and not too few. I wonder why they’re deploying so heavily into Philly and not, well, more purpley areas.
Anya
@Schlemazel: I am not a big cable news watcher but for some inexplicable reason I’ve watched more cable news this year than any other time. I don’t know why I continue to tune in (for a very short time). It always leaves me angry. They are so bad at multiple levels. Every now and then someone will do the right thing and challenge a lie but it’s 99% terrible. It’s like an empty calorie.
CarolDuhart2
@OzarkHillbilly: But 12-17 year olds are even more vulnerable. Getting help means telling or getting resources from their parents instead of simply going to a lawyer. And pedophiles like this often threaten kids that they will hurt family members if they tell or worse. And many of these kids may have less than supportive parents (they’re gay or runaways living on their own). They may blame themselves more about what happened as well a(Blame is part of the manipulation)
Kay
@WereBear:
He didn’t survive the Great Depression, though. His parents didn’t either. FDR was also vehemently opposed as you know.
My favorite lunatic anti-FDR people are the Little House on The Prairie gang- the real life people. Laura Ingalls Wlider was a wingnut as an adult.
It’s a letter to her daughter and it’s hysterical because it’s ABOUT claiming head of household status to avoid taxes and get a gubmint hand-out. The political rants are just asides.
OzarkHillbilly
@Brachiator: Bless your heart….
Another Scott
@Schlemazel: Or the 787 you’re flying on.
I’m no expert, but batteries on cars and airplanes have a huge advantage over those in a thin, high-powered
hand-held supercomputersmart phone – they have fans and ways of dumping excess heat. If your phone overheats, there’s nothing the battery can do but get hotter and drive up the risk of a run-away chemical reaction and fire. Having a sealed, water-proof, extremely thin glass slab containing a powerful CPU and bright high-density display has to make the heat problem even that much more difficult.Cheers,
Scott.
BruceFromOhio
Happily going offline for the rest of today and most of tomorrow to work outside. The fog and frost have lifted, outside it is CAVU (ceiling and visibility unlimited) and there is a short but ambitious list of objectives.
Winter is coming …
Brachiator
@OzarkHillbilly:
Exactly.
Fortunately, my closest family and friends have always been more open minded. And some are even “crazier” than I am.
debit
@Kay: That actually makes me sad. I want to call out in a Joel Robinson voice, “Half Pint, noooooooo!”
Schlemazel
@Anya:
It like watching someone pick open a scab. You don’t want to see it, it is sickening but somehow you can’t entirely look away.
p.a.
Don’t know if any politician, let alone Dem pols, is capable of subtlety, but it would be nice to see a dolchstoß meme in the media regarding Establishment Rethugs and their Congressional leaders non or halfhearted support for tRump. Watch the beast eat its creator.
Another Scott
@Anya: “Enthusiasm” is the new “Uncertainty”. It’s a perfectly good word that gets twisted beyond all recognition by “news” reporters and talking heads who seem to think that important concepts have to be reduced to one or a few words for people to understand. It becomes a meme that doesn’t mean anything after a while.
We don’t elect people based on how “Enthusiastic” they are, but by how many votes they get. Two “Meh” voters is worth much more than (double, in fact) one “Enthusiastic” voter.
People don’t make investments based on “Uncertainty”, they make it based on their best estimates of how much money they will make over whatever period of time. A “Certain” return of 0.01% over 5 years isn’t going to get many takers, while an “Uncertain” return of 150% (with an estimated 75% chance) over 5 years will get plenty.
(Grrr…)
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Kay:
Almost certainly.
Shalimar
@Quinerly: Vox had an article the other day about the backstory behind the lawsuit. Given Trump’s public admiration for pedophiles Epstein and Casablancas and his efforts to enter the modelling industry himself, my guess is he raped many underage girls over the years. The guys behind this particular accuser are very skeevy though. I can understand why no media outlet has been willing to touch it without being able to interview the victim herself.
JMG
Good morning! Going to take a shower, then spend time making phone calls for Clinton.
debit
Okay, heading out for breakfast and chores. But first, here’s what a typical Saturday morning looks like in my house. That’s Ellie next to Oliver and Walter inexplicably on the floor instead of a dog bed.
Schlemazel
@Another Scott:
Thank goodness nothing has ever gone wrong on an airplane like a fan not working.
Sure, I understand that the 787 scenario is lower risk but we should be aware of risk in everyday life & hold the people responsible for ensuring our safety (the government regulators but more so tbe designers, builders and maintainers of the products) accountable in ways that limit the risk to its practical minimum. Pointing to one product or one vendor lets everyone else off the hook I am afraid.
Baud
Good news from Vox
Quinerly
@Shalimar:
Saw that Vox piece. Good piece but little coverage….You know…..emails!
Schlemazel
@debit:
I have read some stories about her that are not particularly endearing and also about the ugly means her descendants have used in fights over the work which may or may not have been warranted.
But then I grew up surrounded by Scandinavian setters out on the edge of the Prairie near the Big Woods and some of the stuff she wrote does not ring true to me. I forgive her for beatifying her folks and if she were writing for children I can understand her not covering some of the tougher details. One question I would dearly love to have the details on is how they came to move a half dozen times in a few short years. Farmsteading was back-breaking work, it was particularly dangerous because you were on the edge of starvation if anything went wrong and things going wrong were much more likely in those first few years while you cleared land, learned the local patterns and came up against the unknown unknowns. Yet Paw managed to drag his family from Wisconsin to Iowa to Minnesota, to South Dakota, back to Minnesota and I am missing a move or two. That is not normal. I bet that is a lot more interesting story than the BS sugar-n-sunshine we got
Mike R
Going out to volunteer in Omaha, working for Brad Ashford, the lone national Democrat in Nebraska. Envy outgoing people as that is not me, will try to put on a happy face. Prefer to hang with my horse.
OzarkHillbilly
@CarolDuhart2: I agree. was just pointing out that those impediments are not limited to teens and younger. Look at the Cosby accusers.
Quinerly
@hedgehog mobile:
Love 10,000 Waves and La Boca! Check out my favorites…El Farol and Del Charro (cheap! locals watering hole). Love me some Santa Fe. Nowhere else can compare!
JPL
@debit: How fun and Walter is in dog heaven.
CarolDuhart2
#GOTVforHRC
Looks like its going to be a big day.
Decided that I will go down to the HIllary office and deliver some cake. Action will settle my jangly nerves today.
MomSense
@WarMunchkin:
To run up the numbers. We do the same in statewide elections here in Maine. If you look at the US map by precinct, every state is red with blue blotches. The bigger the blue blotches the better.
Gelfling 545
@WereBear: If I were the omniscient and omnipotent “creator of all there is; seen and unseen, I’d be pretty offended if my supporters thought I was unacquainted with the operating principles of my work.
WereBear
@Kay: That is a fascinating side element of the whole Little House phenomenon. It’s a fantasy world they just adore, much like the people (I have been told this) who thought The Brady Bunch was real life and they wished they could have it.
hedgehog mobile
@Quinerly: Ooo…thanks for the recommends.
Schlemazel
@Gelfling 545:
I love the way you put that, thanks
Gator90
@OzarkHillbilly: As a lifelong agnostic who leans atheist, I nevertheless sometimes say “God bless you” to communicate general approval, thanks or good wishes. The other week I was in Arizona and saw a middle-aged couple wearing HRC shirts. I gave them a thumbs-up and a “God bless you,” to which one of them responded, “Well, we don’t need any blessing, but we’re with Hillary” or words to that effect. I suspect they may have been (gasp) atheists.
Query: did I do something rude?
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel:
I have read he was running away from debts, in at least one instance waking the family in the dark of night while the town was asleep.
OGLiberal
@Brachiator: Religion is always fear based. It differs from person to person but always fear based. Wishful thinking is fear based. If these folks thought thet’d be going to hell no matter what they did would they be religious? Always fear based. Even if you don’t believe in hell it’s fear based becausr most people don’t want to believe there is nothing after death and most people don’t want to believe that bad stuff just happens for no freaking reason, even to really good people. I understand scared people thinking or hoping otherwise but it is always based on fear. Religion was created to deal with fear of the unknown, unexpected and unexplainable. I’m an atheist and my kids (10 and 9) are hardcore Catholic because I want them to come to this realization themselves. (My wife is a reluctant believer…she holds out hope but, deep down, especially given our life experiences, I’m pretty certain whatever faith she had is mostly gone) If they don’t, that’s their choice…should not be mine.
different-church-lady
@Gator90:
And we all know how painful that can be.
Schlemazel
@WereBear:
One of the mass murderers of the 60’s explanation for his act was, “My mother was not Donna Reed”. He was broken because his life was nothing like that of a TV family. I was just a kid & knew my life was not like Leave It To Beaver or Father Knows Best but it changed my brain when I read that & realized some people see TV shows as a mirror of society instead of a grotesque of it.
Schlemazel
@OzarkHillbilly:
I strongly suspected something like that, legal issues or he was just incredibly offensive to his neighbors and was in fear for his life. I have not read much about the family so that is interesting to hear.
different-church-lady
@TS: hell, the black guys wouldn’t even need to be carrying.
OGLiberal
@Another Scott: I think they think unentusiastic voters don’t vote. I think that’s rarely a reason for not voting. If you are interested enough to express a choice you are going to vote, even if you are unenthusiastic. People don’t vote because they had to work late or their kid got sick or they’re not registered or they were never going to vote in the first place. If you’ve expressed an interest in a poll, you’re probably going to vote.
BTW, who responds to phone polls? I’m almost 47 so hardly young but when I get an incoming call – on any line, including work – and I don’t recognize the number, I don’t answer. Who does?
OzarkHillbilly
@Gator90:
No. But maybe they did. I don’t have patience for the anti-religion atheists like Maher and company. As far as I’m concerned if it helps you get thru the day, who am I to say it’s wrong? When somebody says, “God bless you” to me I usually just smile and say “Have a good day.” Every now and again when I have a feeling humor is not misplaced, I’ll say something like, “I doubt it.” or “Wouldn’t help.”
WereBear
It might be a case of not understanding how art works. Like the people who are astonished that some fool stunt of theirs is “not working like it did in the movies.” That’s right. Because that was a movie.
Schlemazel
@Gator90:
I would put them in the same category as ‘Christians’ who are offended by “Happy Holidays”. I was raised with weekly church and Wednesday bible study, became an agnostic in my teens, made a second run at Christianity in my 20’s and drifted back to agnostic until making the leap to atheism in my 30’s. SOme people of each strip just want to feel set upon. If someone wishes you well in their own particular vernacular why not just accept that they mean well and say thanks? I get if they they meant it to be mean spirited or an insult but I would rather hear a sincere “Gawd Bless you” from a Christian than an insincere “Have a nice day” from an atheist.
TL;DR – no, you did nothing wrong
EDIT: @OzarkHillbilly: HA! great reply. I have often said something like that in my head in response to gawd bless maybe I’ll start saying it outloud!
bemused
@Kay:
My mil who is 93, alive and well, and fil who died 2 years ago at 94 were young and benefited from FDR New Deal programs at the time which probably accounts for them being lifelong Dems. They lived in rural northern MN and everyone not quite wealthy were struggling. I am going to have ask mil if there were Republican neighbors/family at that time that were against FDR even though the New Deal helped them. I do know that a couple of their uncles were uber Republican when I knew them from at least 30 to 40 years ago so it would be interesting to know if they were ok with FDR New Deal when it helped their families survive or if they turned against Dems later.
Kay
@WereBear:
“Pa” went nuts. He ended up pacing his gubmint-provided property with a rifle, on the lookout for tax collectors. It reads like they were very angry and bitter people.
I read a historian once who wrote “we all live in the house that FDR built” referring to the huge impact of those programs and ideas over generations and I thought of the Wilders. Take Our County Back.
OzarkHillbilly
@OGLiberal:
As a hardcore atheist I want to believe there is something after death, something, ANYTHING…. So I tell myself that contrary to all evidence maybe there is this life force out there that we all return to when we die. Of course, it’s a lie I am telling myself just to make myself feel better and I know it is.
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel: It was a fairly credible website but I forget where it was, and it was on the internet sooooo…. But yeah, Pa wasn’t such a nice guy.
WereBear
@Kay: Did you know Laura Ingalls Wilder first wrote an honest memoir of frontier life, and the publisher told her it was too depressing, and she should change it to happy stuff for kids?
I mean, he was right, but now we have people acting like the past was really like that.
Kay
Is there anything that’s been a bigger lie this election than “transparency”? OMFG. They have lost all credibility on it.
Clinton is basically strolling around naked at this point while Trump has revealed NOTHING. The big, shouting manly-man told them all to fuck off and they ran away. It’s appalling and it hasn’t escaped my notice that they apply this treatment to the woman in the race.
khead
I’m one of the idiots with an exploding Samsung washing machine. Bought one for the new house back in 2013. Seemed like a great idea at the time – “What a deal!” Nothing. But. Trouble. It hasn’t blown up on it’s own – yet – but I am pretty sure I would’ve killed it myself at some point. Stick to TV’s Samsung.
OzarkHillbilly
@OGLiberal: People who use their phones for business but are too busy to answer any poll questions.
different-church-lady
@Iowa Old Lady: probable lesson of this election: determination > enthusiasm
OGLiberal
@OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, I want to believe that as well. I don’t but yes, what the religions offer, or even a lesser version of that, would be nice. Even atheists can have fear based hopes. But I know it’s fantasy. There is no religious person out there whose belief is not partially or wholly based on fear.
WereBear
@different-church-lady: When you cannot discuss policy and facts it’s always a shiny new vague word to play with.
Kay
@WereBear:
I must have been a grim kid because I was like “hmm. This sounds VERY hard, despite the spin”
I had a 4th grade teacher who took a particular interest in me- lazy student but I read a lot- and she told me to stop reading Nancy Drew and Little House books. Too easy. No one had ever told me books were kind of tiered like that-that you could turn your nose up at a book. I read completely indiscriminately. I never forgot that, how she cared if I wasted time on “easy”.
Schlemazel
@WereBear:
Had not heard that but it sounds credible.
OGLiberal
@OzarkHillbilly: But who are the folks who answer any unkown caller call on any line? Aren’t they all old white folks without caller ID who think it’s the.state troopers calling to say their granddaughter has been in an accident? Since the adventb
of caller ID like a thousand years I have not answered an non-recognizable number on any line. My wife is the same and I’ve known her for 17 years. Are we the exception? Just wondering about the quality and demographics of those who do respond.
OzarkHillbilly
@OGLiberal: I am more than a little envious of the true believers who have such comfort of certainty.
barbequebob
@OzarkHillbilly:
“Say what you will about the tenets of devil worship, but at least its an ethos”
Cthulhu
Arrived in NV last night and start four days of GOTV today. The numbers for early voting (which ended yesterday) look very, very good. And the NV Dems just seem to improve their organization each election. There’s a key Senate seat here and Drumph has very few options without NV so excited to be here.
OzarkHillbilly
@OGLiberal:
Oh, that person? That’s me at home on my home phone without caller ID because I am too cheap to pay for it and we have no cell phone coverage. The conversations usually go something like this:
ME: Hello?
Caller: Silence…. followed by a click of someone grabbing the phone
ME: Fuck off.
or
ME: Hello?
Caller: Mr. P?
ME: Fuck off (nobody calls me “Mr P” not even my bill collectors) (they call me “asshole” or some other endearment)
bemused
@OzarkHillbilly:
I don’t have a big issue if people say God Bless to me unless they give off a pushy evangelical vibe like they are testing me. I’m sure many can recognize that “look”. I see “god” every time I am outdoors working in my gardens, listening to the birds and watching the critters or just enjoying the beauty out there. That’s what I consider godly.
OGLiberal
@OzarkHillbilly: I admit to a certain amount of envy, but I think it makes them less cynical, which leads them to justify their vote for a monster like Trump because he’s been saved or could be saved or it’s god’s will. Like that lunatic woman on TV who supports Trump even though she knows he’s a sleaze but somtimes god chooses imperfect vessels and Trump will appoint judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. She’s so scared of the hellfire god will bring upon our fetus killing nation that she’ll vote for a pig.
WereBear
I have my cellphone set to announce the person’s name if it is in my contacts. If not, leave a message. I get too many spam calls to answer just because it rang.
OzarkHillbilly
@OGLiberal: If it wasn’t God they’d find some other reason to vote the way they do.
Time for me to go. Y’all play nice now, ya heah?
OGLiberal
@OzarkHillbilly: Exactly, even without caller ID you hang up. Who spends 10 or more minutes responding to a poll? I don’t even do that online to read an article I want to read. Who are these folks? Pollsters reach thousands of them but how representative are they of the populace as a whole?
scav
@Schlemazel: I have vague memories of reading somewhere that sometimes (or often) the very very bleeding edge of westward settlement was very much a dodgy place. A fair number were most definitely ahead of the line of legal settlement in territories they had no right to be in (just like Pa and family), sometimes just long enough to bully or grab the clairs to the land once it became legal and then sell it on to later (legal) settlers (who would do the actual long-term work of proving the claim to the government) while squatter-settler would high-tail it out it out to the next illegal settlement to work the same dodge. Even in the cleaned up child-friendly versions, the Ingalls women left in the stories about actual fighting at the land-offices, the repeated instances of illegal squatting etc.
FlipYrWhig
@OGLiberal: I refuse to pay for Caller ID, because who’s calling us, anyway, so in the rare event that the phone rings and I am home, I answer it in total ignorance of who it will be on the other end.
Mike J
@scav: One of our states has built their mythos on that sort of illegal immigration, even naming their college football team for the (white) people who arrived without documentation.
liberal
@Cthulhu: Good for you.
I don’t have time, so all I could do is give money.
Peale
@Kay: remember when they were simultaneously complaining that we knew nothing about her while the scandal of the day was that she’d failed to complete the ethics and compliance training while at State? She didn’t complete her orientation in the first week of the job!
Quinerly
@Quinerly:
Oh, and La Choza and Castro’s for traditional Northern NM food. Castro’s is cheap…locals lunch crowd, pick up trucks….on Cerrillos Road. Enjoy!
Kay
The multi-millionaires at Fox News have been making money on this lie how long, now? They’re gross greedy people and that place is a sewer of sexual harassment and unprofessional behavior
Peale
@Kay: at this point, Democrats might as well just encourage the practice and get it over with. Just sign in at the polls as your republican neighbor and be done with it.
BellyCat
@Schlemazel: @Schlemazel: can’t speak to other cars, but our 2000 Honda insight has nickel metal hydride batteries that are rechargeable. Non-explosive. Similar to the common batteries you use in all sorts of electronics (think AA, AAA, and D) that are not rechargeable.
ETA: Huge cooling fan, too. Sadly, the lifespan is only about 7 years. How do I know? I just replaced ours for the second time.
Gindy51
@OzarkHillbilly: It took me forever to get my husband to say ONE hello then wait and hang up. I told him that the telemarketers wait after the 1st hello to see if you are a machine. If you say anything after that 1st hello, they know YOU answer the phone and even if you hang up they will keep calling. If I do answer, I often say I am the baby sitter, amazing how a 60 year old can sound 16 if she pitches her voice up a bit…
JMG
@Kay: Think of it as good news, Kay. If they thought Trump was winning, it’d be “lines of enthusiastic voters ready to put Trump in White House.”
BTW, just did a half hour home phone bank shift calling Pennsylvanians. Well over 90 percent of them didn’t pick up. Somebody’s got to be home. I figure, caller ID, see an out of state number, and no thanks.
Peale
I guess I’m feeling good about the election again. Enough that I’m back to mocking “libertarians” who claim that the only reason they’re voting for Trump is Hillary. Because they totally would have been behind Bernie all the way.
Cookie monster
@OzarkHillbilly: BURMA!
Ruckus
@OzarkHillbilly:
Religions have ethics? All of them? And people follow them?
Whodanode?
MoxieM
@Immanteize: Meffid, gateway to Summahvulle.
George Taylor
@Taylor: None of the founding fathers who had been elected to two terms ever ran for a third. They codified the practice in tradition, not in the Constitution.
Baud
@Kay: It’s accurate. A couple of Trump supporters have been arrested for voter fraud.
scav
@Mike J: White folks with their legendary self-raising bootstraps gotta get them their government freebies early and with dodgy documentation so they can look down on ones arriving later with disdain — while closing “loopholes” they clambered through (all the while ignoring and steamrolling anyone with prior claims to what they now “possess” as a birthright and badge of self-creation.)
NotMax
Awful promo slide for ABC news feed on the Roku menu just now.
“Watch Who Gets To 270 Delegates First”
Um, guys and gals, no one can reach 270 second.
@Cookie monster
SHAVE!
Paul in KY
@Gindy51: Thanks for info!
Paul in KY
@OGLiberal: I wish I knew. I can only think these losers remind the police of themselves or their relatives.
Paul in KY
@Kay: Great job! One down…
NotMax
@NotMax
Left out that they’re not “delegates,” either. This from what bills itself as a news organization.
WereBear
The perceptive Libby Anne polishes off the evangelical Trump Voter.
Paul in KY
@bemused: My dad is 92 and has senile dementia. One of the themes he repeats in conversation is how FDR saved them all & they always voted Democratic. He’s talking about his childhood back in 30s.
hovercraft
@Iowa Old Lady:
No enthusiasm means tangible, meaningful things that make a difference in the real world, like Twitter followers, attendees at rallies who are full of vitriol and make vituperative comments to the media, it’s not important that there is no organizing going on at these events, but they camp out to see you, enthusiasm is having fans who follow you from rally to rally, from state to state like Deadheads, some of whom say they love you, but no they are not registered to vote, or if they are they aren’t going to vote because the system is rigged. Enthusiasm is about lawn signs and hats and swarming all critics when they dare to impugn your candidate. Volunteering, and canvassing, and making phone calls, and driving people to the polls, and standing in long lines at the polls instead of long lines at rallies, these are the actions of people who are reluctantly voting for a candidate, the fact that they simply go about the business of getting it done without a whole bunch of fanfare means they are not enthusiastic. Apathy is working on GOTV, by not clamoring for huge rallies, depriving the media of spectacle, they are proving they don’t like their candidate because they wish someone else was running. (Full disclosure: I do wish Obama was running again, but he deserves his freedom, in lieu of him, she is my first choice.) Since democrats are quietly content with our candidate and don’t feel the need to battle the keyboard warriors online, we are being discounted. I’m pretty confident that the media is going to be shocked on Tuesday when she wins decisively, and the exit polls tell the story of just how happy we were to vote for Madame President. Now get your unenthusiastic asses back to work. Keep up that lack of enthusiasm, GOTV
Paul in KY
@khead: I notice on the front loaders, alot of companies make them that you never thought would make a washing machine. Must be alot of money in them.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: At my parent’s house, when I pick up phone I do it very fast & say ‘hello’, if you are not using an automatic dialer, you will hear me & conversation will commence. If you’re a marketer with one of those things, there will be a pause of a second or two before they route in to start the spiel. When I ID that, I hang it up.
pluky
@Betty Cracker: Actually, the Tudor line is extinct. Elizabeth’s dynasty starts with George I of the House of Hanover. His claim to the throne came through his mother who was of the Stuart line. The current dynasty is not Hanoverian however. That ended with Victoria, who as woman was barred from succession under the Salic Law.
More pedantic details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hanover
Paul in KY
@pluky: Correct! They do also though trace their line back through either females or males to Henry VII & Elizabeth & then back through Elizabeth to Edward IV on to Edward III at some point & then back on to Henry II.
bemused
@Paul in KY:
Exactly and my fil would talk about getting electricity and telephone service. You can imagine how much longer either reached outstate counties vs cities/large towns. My fil would often say if it wasn’t for government subsidizing the efforts, it would have taken forever for private companies to bother, not much profit running lines through vast outstate miles. He would say this to Republicans and a few who didn’t know or remember the history would stop and think and acknowledge that government did so some good once upon a time. Heh.
different-church-lady
@Cookie monster: “Why did you say Burma?”
“I’m a Democrat”
Ruckus
@hovercraft:
Enthusiasm to TV is the audiences at daytime shows. Scream at any utterance, that’s TV enthusiasm. Jump up and down and scream like you think you’d do if you just won the Power Ball for 500 million when it’s just the next guest, who no one cares about because the guest is an asshole, when in reality if you won the Power Ball you’d faint dead away.
MomSense
@MoxieM:
Ha! You guys must be in the nice parts because I thought it was Meffuh.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
Maybe they fundamentally don’t believe in helping people. That only ‘tough love’ works is a strong myth in the US.
@NotMax:
You are underestimating Baud.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cookie monster: Panic doesn’t help.
Brachiator
@OGLiberal:
I disagree. Your explanation is too reductive. But you are welcome to it. I am one of those nonbelievers who does not much care where belief comes from.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
About to watch Dr. Strange. Catch up with you later.
Glidwrith
@Kay: Probably too late to the thread, but you should head over to stonekettlestation.com. He makes a very good argument why old time conservatives should vote for Clinton.
Matt McIrvin
Supreme Court just re-banned vote harvesting in Arizona (the headline makes it hard to tell what happened, but it’s functionally that: they put a stay on a lower court decision overturning the state’s ban). That is, political campaigners are once again not allowed to collect and deposit mail-in ballots for voters.
Full Metal Wingnut
@WarMunchkin: because that’s how you win PA.
J R in WV
@OGLiberal:
So you never get calls from your Health Insurance provider, wanting to let you know about changes to the formulary? Or from a relative you haven’t heard from in 17 years but always liked a lot?
Or from a lawyer to let you know that you have 5 days to choose to be part of a class-action suit and receive $15,000 for that car you always hated because it broke down so much?
Or from a nursing home where your favorite Great-Uncle Ed was living, to let you know he had died and wanting to let you know when the services would be held?
Seriously, we live like hermits, and when we get a phone call, it’s usually a business related call from a number we have never had a call from before. I expect to get a call about the (Takata) air-bag in our car, which had been recalled, but which can’t be repaired until they fix the 15 million air bags that are older than ours, and hence more dangerous.
People who don’t answer their phone should get a grip on life, man up (or woman up as the case may be!) and pick that puppy up and see what’s going on.
The last political poll phone call I answered took about 90 seconds to push button 1 twice.
The last marketing poll phone call I got took nearly 30 minutes because it was so funny I couldn’t tell the operator my answer for laughing so hard. It was about toilet paper preferences, and the phrasing of the questions to avoid being offensive was amazing.
The best question was “Which of the following brands of toilet paper makes you the most proud to purchase?” If only I had a recorder connected to my phone line for that!!!
Debbie1
@OGLiberal: Funny how Whites began calling Blacks”lazy” the minute Blacks refused to continue to work for free.
hovercraft
@Debbie1:
Working for free is a sign of dedication and determination, demanding compensation in order to perform or complete work is a sign of laziness, because you are asking for an incentive. Real hard workers work for the love of the job. I think that these white people casting these aspersions should show us the right way to do this, they should work for free, allow their employers to provide them with food, clothes and accommodation at the employers discretion.
The Pale Scot
@Brachiator:
Fuck that, I so looking forward to non existence