PBO had to endure white assholes’ otherization to win the presidency. HRC has to endure a sexist psychopath’s condescension and abuse.
I’m watching through my fingers, as if viewing a slasher film. I think she’s wiping the floor with him. What do you think? Open thread.
Baud
She’s destroying him.
dmsilev
@Baud: He’s doing a decent job of destroying himself.
debit
@Baud: Yep.
Mary G
Back to McArthur and Patton spinning in their graves because of advance notice about the invasion of Mosul.
piratedan
he’s so fucking ignorant, he doesn’t even know he’s a dead candidate bloviating
Kay Eye
He’s a babbling fool. Plus curiously ruddy flush to his face. Plus wrong. Wrong wrong….
I am so sorry this remarkable woman has to stand near him and listen to him.
Corner Stone
Wikileaks! AGAIN!
lamh36
HRC with twitter receipts of Trump’s whining…
@HillaryClinton
Here’s how Trump reacts when he loses an Emmy, the Iowa caucus, a primary, and polls. So yeah, he seems fit for the presidency. #DebateNight
dmsilev
OK, now we’re into random free-association.
Death Panel Truck
Fuck the debate. Cubbies up 5-0!
piratedan
Donald seems to think that a couple of hundred thousand civvy casualties are acceptable
debit
I repeat: Trump’s argument seems to be “You are a poopyhead.”
TS
I had to give myself a timeout to stay sane with Hillary against the other 2 on the stage. Thanks for all the great comments – has been a joy reading them all
JPL
John Podesta said bad things about you.. oh no
Jeffro
@debit: double yep
“Unfit”
Also just quoted Bernie Sanders take on Donald Trump
Anoniminous
Major General Donald Trump.
Corner Stone
Oh! Snap Balls!
schrodinger's cat
Trump learned all he knows about military strategy from Hollywood movies. He is so stupid he does not even what he doesn’t know.
Davis X. Machina
This is what Sulla’s stupid brother must have sounded like….
Baud
She Sandered him good.
Mary G
We need to take out ISIS’s leaders the same way Obama and I took out Osama Bin Laden while you were making Celebrity Apprentice. I love NFG Hillary.
dmsilev
Now Trump is arguing with Wallace. Somehow, both of them are losing.
Corner Stone
Have you seen it? Have you seen it? Have you…SEEN?
Betty Cracker
@Death Panel Truck: Cub-bees! ⚾️
some guy
Trump is so slow he’s interrupting Wallace’s softball question.
lamh36
So Chris Wallace tried it, but Trump is just…
not very bright is he?
Corner Stone
@Baud: She Sandered the fuck right out of him. He now has no Sanders left to give. NSLTG
Adam L Silverman
So far its gone something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRdbEY_YfV4
Larkspur
@TS: TS, I’d hug you except for I’ve got this cold.
Corner Stone
Kesh. Kesh. Bundles of Kesh!
Baud
Trump has nothing new.
Run, Lillian!
reposted from below:
My sister, who doesn’t like Hils but hates Trump and is voting against him has gotten sucked into the debate and is now cheering on Hillary. She is thoroughly impressed. I am telling you these debates are a good thing because they give less informed people a chance to see Hillary without all the media bias. And they like her! My sis is a classic ‘independent’ (undecided)- voted Obama 08 and Romney 12. Hillary is winning her over from a never Trump to a Yay Hillary.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
I think the bets on Trump calling Clinton a bitch on air are increasing by the minute.
Corner Stone
This is complete nonsense. Authentic frontier gibberish.
piratedan
yeah Donald, all that was missing was the deal or no deal girls in briefcases…
and btw, we know who the rebels are, YOU may not know who the rebels are
Poopyman
@debit: Hey!
some guy
we know exactl who the rebels are: GCC-funded jihadists.
Wag
Wrrroonnngggg
I can’t believe that he’s falling into the same bs that failed so badly in the first debate. What an idiot.
Jeffro
@some guy: could he look anymore like everyone’s drunk uncle at Thanksgiving?
JordanRules
Chris Wallace has to wonder why this dumb ass won’t take his debate welfare
amk
the new word he learned to repeat today – the great migration. wonder who fed him that.
Baud
@Run, Lillian!:
Agree.
Bill E Pilgrim
Donald! Donald! Chris is trying to help you! Stop yelling at him!
redshirt
Donald just wished Hillary good luck during her Presidency.
Elizabelle
Hillary would have made a killer prosecuting attorney.
She is composed and steely, in her suffragette white suit.
Trump seems less buffoonish than other debates — he learns a little through experience, and this is his third one on one — but he is still crazy ass rightwing talking points and bluster.
Corner Stone
HRC looks like that tiger at the zoo stalking that woman who was sitting outside the glass of the tiger area.
Omnes Omnibus
Thanks a lot, Hillary!
dmsilev
How long until Trump stats talking about the International Clintonite Conspiracy to Sap and Impurify Our Precious Bodily Fluids?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: God wears Dodger Blue.
TS
@Larkspur: Thank you that is so kind – and I have just recovered from a cold so I’ll take the virtual hug as substitute for the real thing :)
Mary G
She’s looking into the camera like “can you believe this moron?”
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro: My drunk uncles are Dems.
Another Scott
Good Q about her No Fly Zone proposal, and she’s giving a decent answer.
Cheers,
Scott.
Davebo
With the 1st and 3rd debates it’s clear Clinton has mastered the concept of rope-a-dope.
Wearing him out. She doesn’t even respond, just let him go!
lamh36
Corner Stone
@JordanRules:
It’s like the story of the guy who drowned in the great flood and asked God why he forsake him. And god said, I sent you a fucking helicopter and you refused!
misterpuff
Trump’s Barroom Philosophy and Diplomacy.
Closing Time!
Do you want me to get you an Uber or an ambulance?
TS
@Sarah, Proud and Tall:
I’d bet on “crooked Hillary”
randy khan
@Sarah, Proud and Tall:
He’s running out of time, though, so the odds probably aren’t shifting much.
amk
I am not going to slam the door on those women and children. Go Hillz for stating it publicly unlike the rw cowards.
Elizabelle
@Run, Lillian!: Good to hear.
Get that sister to vote tomorrow, or at her first opportunity.
Hillary is our better avenging angels.
Good point about the no media filter. This year, I think the media as a whole has proven they are as unprepared and unqualified as Donald J. Trump, who they enabled. For money.
BillinGlendaleCA
@redshirt: Noticed that as well.
some guy
most of the rubes voting for T.Rump won’t have the faintest clue that on foreign policy Donald has no clue.
redshirt
He’s bringing up Putin again!
America sucks!
Russia’s great!
Adam L Silverman
@amk: Flynn
Baud
National debt as a whole topic, but nothing on climate change.
dmsilev
Oh joy, deficit shaming.
Helen
I kinda like that Wallace is being so tough on Clinton. It’s making her look incredibly smart.
RandomMonster
She is beating him like a rug. SAD
TS
So I came back & the orange fool is still allowed to interrupt. Then again he just voted for Putin again
WarMunchkin
Nobody cares about the national debt and fuck the right wing think tank
redshirt
@Helen: Agreed. I don’t mind him at all. She’s handled them like the Pro she is.
debit
@Poopyman: You are a gentlepoopyman and a scholar.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Heaven forfend that we should not have spoken of the national debt before….
Corner Stone
Less than zero? isn’t that a negative rate? Or at least a movie about coke with Robert Downey Jr. ?
Baud
@redshirt: I mind him, but she is doing great.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Betty Cracker:
Hey hey whaddya say?
Cubbies gonna win today!
Larkspur
“America is stupid and outplayed, so all of you losers and fuck-ups should hang your heads in shame and vote for me!”
JGabriel
Here’s a question Chris Wallace should ask:
Mr. Trump, if you think Putin is outplaying America so drastically, and love him so much, why don’t you just move to Russia?
piratedan
yes, lets be concerned about Debt while the oceans rise… get back to me Chris as to who kills me first, the planet’s weather of the fucking federal bank
dmsilev
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: It’s not even true. The VP debate moderator was obsessed with it.
amk
gawd, this nut knows nothing about any subject. congrats gopee for inflicting this ignoramus on to the world stage.
PsiFighter37
Donald free-associating crap again.
Baud
Chris Matthews will be happy. Then the instant polls will be in.
beth
Aren’t these great business people the greedy bastards who moved the jobs overseas in the first place?
NotMax
“an economic machine”
Made from Chinese steel?
eric
“Our economy will be running like a tremendous machine” (read as dave johnson)
Adam L Silverman
@TS: He already called her crooked when he said she shouldn’t be allowed to run for president and should be in jail about 15 minutes ago or so.
Run, Lillian!
@Elizabelle: We got our mail in ballots today and they get mailed in by Monday! She is all in.
dmsilev
@Baud: Knowing that Chris Matthews will have a sad makes me happy.
redshirt
Finally, she brought up Donald’s America hating.
PsiFighter37
Bringing up criticism of Reagan…expansion of the tent.
randy khan
5 or 6 percent growth in an industrialized economy. Yeah, that’s sustainable.
Betty Cracker
He’s sweating like a malarial warthog!
Corner Stone
@Helen: I don’t like any of his right wing framing of loaded questions but I have no problem asking her tough questions. She is killing this shit.
I keep expecting the stage to open up and Beyonce and her crew to come dancing out on stage like she did for Lip Sync Battle.
Elizabelle
He’s a little kid who’s playing in the adults’ game. He does not know what he does not know, has no respect for others who might know more.
Someone was talking about how conservatives scoff at the idea of expertise and knowledge? Was it Kay?
There it be. On the debate stage.
And oh — that China is sneaky and scary. Too bad we have a government staffed with toddlers.
This from a serial bankrupt, making these wild allegations.
GregB
Vote for Trump and life will be a big rock candy mountain.
WaterGirl
@Poopyman: hahahahaha
jk
Hillary is easily winning this debate. Wish this election could be held tomorrow. Can’t wait to see Trump get the humiliation of his life. Go Cubs and fuck the Cleveland Indians.
dmsilev
OH FUCK YOU CHRIS WALLACE
Old Dan and Little Anne
No you can’t respond. But go ahead.
Baud
Entitlements!
amk
aaand the rw talking point – ENTITLEMENTS!!!
Mary G
Entitlements! Pete Peterson strikes again.
Corner Stone
And…entitlements.
Fucking right wing think tank BS to end the night.
cckids
@Run, Lillian!:
YES. I have a good friend who is completely apolitical, but (because of the groping tape), she’s watching the debate and cheering Hillary on. She will be voting for the first time in 12+ years, for Hillary. Trump distaste is just that strong.
WarMunchkin
FUCK YOU
lamh36
The 2nd debate was planned low key by HRC…let Trump tapes do what they needed.
Hilz camp knows that less folks than the past 2 debates will be watching this one.
The folks who ARE watching…journos…narrative makers…will be watching to see i they can set the “stop the bleeding” narrative
Hilz came prepared to cut in a 1000 little strategic places that will not cause gushing injury, but a slow steady bleeding…long enough to last…what 26 days?
Elie
She is Athena — the goddess of wisdom and also a warrior. She could give a fuck about him… she has his number and knows there is no one home except a big fat empty suit. She is gonna run him over and never look back. So be it.
Baud
@cckids: nice
some guy
simpson-bowles gospel sez truth. How will you kowtow to deficit fetishists?
Steeplejack (phone)
Entitlement reform?! Fuck you, Chris Wallace, you fucking fuck.
Bill E Pilgrim
Just enough time for Donald to rush in and say that he disagrees with Reagan. Good you got that under the wire, Donald.
And any remaining half-asleep rank and file conservatives finally give up the ghost entirely and buy movie tickets for Nov 8.
jk
@Baud:
Chris Matthews is paralyzed from the neck up.
lamh36
The 2nd debate was planned low key by HRC…let Trump tapes do what they needed.
Hilz camp knows that less folks than the past 2 debates will be watching this one.
The folks who ARE watching…journos…narrative makers…will be watching to see i they can set the “stop the bleeding” narrative
Hilz came prepared to cut in a 1000 little strategic places that will not cause gushing injury, but a slow steady bleeding…long enough to last…what 26 days?
Another Scott
Q: Grand Bargain on entitlements? Gotta cut and raise taxes, amirite?
(sigh)
The middle class has had enough cuts over the last 30+ years, Chris. I hope Hillary knocks it out of the park…
Cheers,
Scott.
amk
and the standard rw reply – repeal obamacare. jeez. it’s been 8 fucking years, you loon. It’s getting really, really old.
randy khan
@eric:
I knew Secretariat, and you’re no Secretariat.
Joel
Speaking of zombies, earlier in the election season we all had reason to fear that we were in a George Romero film. Turns out its the Edgar Wright / Cornetto version.
piratedan
well, there’s the last bit of red meat out of the freezer with the ACA slam….
Corner Stone
Please no. Please…
PsiFighter37
Wallace pressing a ‘Grand Bargain’. Keep fucking that chicken, Chris…
Mandalay
Trump: “Obamacare is destroying our country!”
ISIS can learn a thing or two from Obamacare.
Baud
Not cut benefits!
NotMax
Wallace: “Social Security is gonna run out of money.”
Not so, grasshopper.
Larkspur
Repeal and replace! You fucking cold-hearted humanoid.
dmsilev
Clinton gives Wallace and his right-wing benefit-cutter friends the middle finger.
DanR2
When she shakes his hand at then end, she can hand him his ass back.
gogol's wife
@Joel:
“How are you doing?” “Surviving.”
Anoniminous
O/T Holy Bajesus Moment —
Kentucky Is Now A Toss Up As Trump Support Collapses In Mitch McConnell’s Home State
Another Scott
“I will not cut benefits! I want to enhance benefits for low-income people!”
Thank you!
Cheers,
Scott.
Mary G
I will not cut benefits! Go Hillary!
Elie
I really like Hillary in all white or cream. She looks great… She is looking even better as the debate wears on and her tone is excellent…
Gin & Tonic
Hed on Bloomberg now: “Trump Refuses to Say He’ll Accept Election Results If He Loses”
Elizabelle
@Mary G: I know. So sick that everything is fit through the Pete Peterson frame.
That is the owners of the media, talking. It’s not how citizens frame the discussion of their EARNED — fuck it — EARNED benefits.
We need to get the framing back. I despise big media.
Larkspur
Did he just say “Such a nasty woman”?
piratedan
hey Chris, maybe you should read her fucking website to see what she’s proposing.
randy khan
“Such a nasty woman” – and in response to something not remotely as mean as any one of ten things he said about her in this debate alone.
Old Dan and Little Anne
New mini-segment! Hurray!
misterpuff
Fox Grande Finale – Entitlements: How should we cut them?
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Yay! Let’s talk about the debt more! And fucking over poor people.
gogol's wife
Isn’t it over yet?????
donnah
Chris Wallace, fuck you very much.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
NoraLenderbee
Please end it on a positive note. Kiss and hug.
amk
I am reaching out all americans dems, repubs and indies. Nice touch.
piratedan
@Larkspur: yes, he did… could have been our C-U-N-T moment
Larkspur
Oh Chris Wallace you sad moron.
Corner Stone
Nailed it!
Mike J
Immanentize
look to the right of Hillary. It says “most likely to Govern”
Conspiracy??)
BillinGlendaleCA
Chris Wallace: Here have a minutes to give your stump speech.
amk
aaand make america great again.
randy khan
“Please give us a minute of your stump speech to end the debate.” Actually, I’m okay with that.
And . . . Hillary picks up the cue and Trump goes with a laundry list of what he thinks are his greatest hits.
MomSense
Lawn order!
Betty Cracker
He’s so done.
Elie
Trump aint gonna do shit. He’ll accept it cause he is gonna be curb stomped and his supporters aren’t gonna like being affiliated with that. Sure they’ll be pissed but they aint gonna do nothing … Its OVER
Jeffro
@Elie: Man she is also mad as hell
redshirt
Such a great debate.
GO HILLZ!
4 more years of Obama!
Baud
Let’s take the House!
Corner Stone
I think Trump just made the case for HRC as president.
Bill E Pilgrim
Let me take this last minute to sound completely unhinged. Thank you.
No, thank you.
dmsilev
Notice how Trump used a bunch of his closing statement to attack Clinton rather than make the case for himself.
piratedan
and we get the Trump stump speech as our closer… too bad the people in our inner cities won’t see his speech since they are living in a hellhole and just trying to survive.
GregB
Well, Melania was right, he is a teenage boy.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Larkspur:
Yes, he did.
Elizabelle
“Four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get if you vote for her.”
Thank you, Mr. Trump. I’ll take that bet.
Adam L Silverman
@Larkspur: Yep!
dmsilev
HANDSHAKE WATCH
Baud
@piratedan: Haha.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: He just said she is four more years of Obama. What is his current approval rating? Jebus!.
Aleta
Monsters
amk
that’s 3 for 3. go hillz.
JGabriel
Is it me, or is Wallace looking more and more like a chipmunk as he gets older?
Baud
Disqualifying moment
OMG.
Felonius Monk
@DanR2:
But she will keep his balls and bury them in a jar.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think one of those phrase contradicts the other…
also, too
Elizabelle
@dmsilev: He just wants the rightwing basest of the base to turn out.
ABC: biggest news is the won’t answer on accepting election results.
burnspbesq
@Anoniminous:
The very model of a modern major general.
Kay
@Anoniminous:
That’s what I want. A collapse.
I don’t mind Fox talking about cutting Social Security because Donald Trump did one good thing- he showed that Republican voters don’t want Social Security cut any more than Democratic voters do.
I always liked that about Bernie Sanders- mention Social Security and he immediately starts yelling :)
PsiFighter37
Tapper looks shaken that Trump said he wouldn’t accept the results.
BillinGlendaleCA
@dmsilev: That’s because he’s got nothing, NOTHING.
Steeplejack (phone)
Over to MSNBC and that equally worthless fuck Chris Matthews.
Oh, it’s Brian Williams. That’s so much better. //
amk
while she is mixing with the audience, his stilted family is still on stage
Another Scott
Heh. On C-span they are showing Hillary walking into the audience while Donnie calls up his clan to pose on the stage. Now he’s finally walking down into the crowd…
Cheers,
Scott.
dmsilev
At least on ABC, they’re focussing on the “I won’t necessarily accept the result of the election” thing. And all of the talking heads are appalled.
seaboogie
@Omnes Omnibus: Yep.
debit
Hillary was amazing.
NotMax
Trump did manage (mostly) to keep his voice modulated. Wilted word salad.
“Such a nasty woman.” Yup, nobody respects women more than you, carotenoid.
piratedan
I listened to the debate instead of watching it, but I will say that the low key Trump isn’t effective because you could actually listen to the tripped out shit he was proposing.
redshirt
So happy with this debate. Hillary’s best performance yet, and she’s been great in the previous 2.
Baud
@Steeplejack (phone): Brian Williams said Trump’s refusal to accept the results was a disqualifying moment.
Larkspur
@dmsilev: Ooh, I closed the CSPAN link early. Was there a handshake? I don’t know, but I am still drawn to my bottle of Purell just in case.
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You’re right.
Nothing on climate change, whatsoever.
Ah well. Koch Brothers is a big part of Fox News world, I guess.
Wallace is a creature of Big Media and Big Conservativism.
randy khan
@Elizabelle:
Yeah, you might want to check the President’s approval ratings before you say something like that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steeplejack (phone): They’re at their worst on nights like this
WaterGirl
@Baud: which one? (all of them, katie?)
Gin & Tonic
@dmsilev: Same on MSNBC.
dmsilev
Fuck, that answer was too much for Cokie Fucking Roberts to accept. We’re in the end times, folks.
Baud
@redshirt: Agree. She’s a closer.
Davebo
That shot of Pence with Palin and the hillbilly crowd was sweet.
Would make a great mailer.
hedgehog mobile
@Run, Lillian!: Excellent!
Omnes Omnibus
@Elizabelle: Hilz mentioned it.
Bill Arnold
Hillary was an awesome attacker. So many attacks. And many of them effective.
Counting on pissed-off women to turn the House or come close enough for a few defections. (Optimistic perhaps but hope is good.)
amk
This election in a nutshell.
liberal
@dmsilev: yeah.
Another Scott
@Larkspur: No handshake. Hillary walked up to Wallace and shook hands while Donnie lurked behind his podium. When she was off-stage, he finally walked up to Wallace and shook hands. Then he called up his brood to claim his victory, or something.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jeffro
it’s weird, isn’t it? It almost feels like Election Night??
Let’s “shake it off” and GOTV for 3 more weeks!
Kay
When this is over I can stop hate-reading these people. I feel I have to monitor them.
PsiFighter37
Refusing to accept the election results is the main takeaway.
Trump has the absolute worst instincts.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@Anoniminous: Last line of the article:
Lessee… 2016 – 1980 is… carry the one… nope, no matter how I do that subtraction I’m ending up with a number a lot bigger than “eight”.
Baud
Matthews gives it to Hillary!
debbie
Trump’s got a real nerve calling anyone nasty.
I’m insured through my employer and was surprised to learned I’ll only be paying an additional $1.50 for the same coverage as this year. I blame that on the ACA.
Another Scott
Hillary is still in the audience, Donnie and his brood have left the auditorium.
Cheers,
Scott.
khead
NBC talking heads are freaking about Trump “waiting to see” about the election outcome comments.
Jeffro
And dang if almost every other answer Hillz gave was a variation on “this is who Donald is…this is how he thinks…”
She’s so in his head, it’s like no election I’ve ever seen
lamh36
Called …Matthews saying Trump was good on the abortion question…smh
eyeroll…smh
liberal
@Baud: yeah, I thought that too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Run, Lillian!: I’m nothing like unbiased but I do think HRC benefits from people seeing her, especially in direct opposition to Trump. Her favorable ratings are pulling close to even
piratedan
even Mathews said Hilz won… I have to go and see if the sky is still up there
randy khan
Chris Matthews says Hillary won. Oh, my.
And all of the commentators seem equally appalled by Trump’s answer on whether he’ll accept the results.
lamh36
NotMax
Trump instructing family to stop payment on the checks to his guests?
jk
And down goes Trump.
Mary G
Jake Tapper has a sad that Donald let Hillary get away with not talking about Bill’s womanizing.
Fair Economist
@Jeffro:
My vote’s already mailed so – yeah, pretty much. When do results start coming in?
eric
@PsiFighter37: ted cruz lost to him, so i raise you “one cruz”
debbie
@Kay:
Thank you for your service.
dmsilev
@Kay: As mercenaries go, she’s honest.
Anoniminous
@Kay:
After the last round of polling and his melt down in tonight’s debate I’m thinking the House is in play. Trump is clearly unqualified to be President and that will hurt the down ticket races.
Betty Cracker
Schmidt: “Trump was like an old man in the park feeding squirrels.” LMAO!
cckids
@Elizabelle:
Hell yes. When I think back to 8 years ago and the utter terror my family was in as the economy went into freefall and we lost 40% of our income and subsequently our home, HELL YES. I will take 8 more years of Obama-type governing, thankyouverymuch.
randy khan
@Another Scott:
Yeah, that’s amazing, and he pretty much did the same thing at the other two. He doesn’t seem to get that the room is still on TV after the debate is over.
WaterGirl
@Anoniminous: I like the closing line from your article:
debbie
@dmsilev:
For David Brooks also!
NotMax
Steve Schmidt:
“He was like an old man in the park harrassing squirrels and arguing with himself.”
lamh36
amk
@Kay: Well, you can stop right now.
dmsilev
@piratedan:
I think I just saw a pig on final approach to LAX.
Patricia Kayden
@redshirt: 8 more years of President Obama! Don’t sell us short.
Kenneth Kohl
@jk: Well, the Indians are in the WS. Cubs? Not quite yet
Go Tribe!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: I’ve managed to mostly avoid him for a couple of weeks now, but from what I’ve seen and read here he’s having some major regression to his blue-collar-philly catholic persona
Steeplejack (phone)
Oh, jeez, the talking heads are playing up the “clear and present danger” angle of not accepting the election results. Drama!
Christ, why don’t we just wait for Seven Days in May on TCM at 12:30?
liberal
@PsiFighter37: yeah, like it’s a surprise coming from that stupid fascist fuck.
TriassicSands
EXTRA! EXTRA! HILLARY CLINTON — SUCH A NASTY WOMAN.
I’ve never been a big Clinton fan, but I’ve never felt as sorry for a presidential candidate — having to run against a pig like Trump is something no one deserves (except other Republicans).
If Clinton behaved toward Trump in a manner similar to his treatment of her, she would have spent half the debate calling Trump a pig and the other half, while he was talking, repeatedly saying Oink Oink Oink into the mike.
The biggest liar in the history of modern American presidential campaigns calls his opponent a “liar.” Unbelievable.
Theron Ware
OMG, Steve Schmidt just nailed it by saying tRump was the “old man in the park feeding the squirrels! Ahahahahahaha!
Fair Economist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Oh, absolutely. Check out the % of winning at 538. DNC – boom, her ratings soar. Debates start, boom, her ratings soar. People like her when they see her – we have proof!
lamh36
misterpuff
Tweety haz a SAD but still gives the decision to Hillary.
He really wants a Big daddy. Some day, some day, Tweety, your prince will come.
Baud
@Theron Ware: That was great.
piratedan
if this gets the promotion it deserves, we could take the house… lets see if the GOP goes all in or cuts this fucker loose
Mary G
Kellyanne spinning insanely. He’s going to win the election so I can say congratulations Mr. President. And Al Gore taking back his concession to GWB, so both sides. Even the rightwingers are laughing at her.
Baud
@Fair Economist: Again, agree. It’s the media that brings her down.
Darkrose
@BillinGlendaleCA: MLB Jesus (at least on Twitter) is so not a Dodger fan.
hovercraft
Tweety says she won because she focused on women in the suburbs, he thinks it was a close debate, the best by Trump so far.
TriassicSands
Chris Wallace, like other moderators, failed to control Trump.
Anoniminous
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
I was sitting in a bar election night 1984 when Ronnie RayGuns swept into office. I hope to be sitting at a friend’s house in a couple of days when we kick the Conservative Movement in the balls, into the gutter, and then sweep it into a trash can.
hovercraft
Tweety says she won because she focused on women in the suburbs, he thinks it was a close debate, the best by Trump so far.
Steve Schmidt says Trump was like an old man in the park arguing with himself on national security.
burnspbesq
@Anoniminous:
What the hell? Did Christian Laettner endorse Trump?
Elizabelle
@TriassicSands: Trump can’t control Trump.
Amir Khalid
Well, there it is. No surprises. Looks like the Donald got thumped by the superior candidate, as everyone expected. He showed no truly catastrophic loss of decorum, but a glaring lack of subject-matter knowledge isn’t going to win anyone over or catch him up to Hillary. The presidential election was pretty much decided before tonight: Trump has lost. The only question left, it seems to me, is how much damage he’ll cause his party downballot.
Jeffro
By the way, Trump’s stupid refusal to accept the results of the election…BESIDES how offensive it is to people who respect this country’s laws and traditions…he’s also basically saying that OUR votes don’t count. I haven’t looked on Twitter yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the rest of Hillz’ campaign is basically that: “Donald says your vote doesn’t count: prove him wrong”
Fired up! Ready to go!
cmorenc
Chris Wallace was much better and fairer as moderator than many of us on the progressive side expected. I’d even go as far as saying he was “fair and balanced” – unlike the day-to-day practice of the Fox network he works for.
Aleta
@WaterGirl: “the destruction of the far-right led Republican Party”
And they took themselves out. Not immigration, not other religions.
dmsilev
ABC just read a statement from Lindsey Graham saying that if Trump loses it won’t be from rigging, but because he failed. Hah.
Poopyman
@piratedan:
Voting is already under way. This fucker is tied around their necks for good.
Adam L Silverman
On to the Al Smith Dinner in NY tomorrow night! Woo hoo!
Mary G
Van Jones: this is a very sad night. You can’t polish this turd. Yes, in those words.
Baud
@cmorenc: He was about what I expected. His biggest problem was the framing of topics.
amk
p.a.
What comes next? Will every Repub Congresscritter up for election* run away from tRump and try to convince the tRumpists that tRump is actually a RINO?. Seems a big order for 3 weeks.
Can you say voter intimidation? Suppression. Caging. It’s what’s for dinner. All they have left.
*say in R+4/5 or less
No One You Know
Kelly Anne walking away from a question. That’s tape almost as hot as Trump saying he’d keep us all in suspense.
Darkrose
@Kenneth Kohl: I haven’t disliked the remaining teams in the playoffs this much in forever.
Cleveland: Problematic name and racist logo.
Cubs: Joe Maddon worship annoys the fuck out of me. Owners are RWNJ. Aroldis Chapman makes me cringe.
Dodgers: Dodgers.
Gin & Tonic
Both BBC and Reuters are leading wit the refusal to accept the election results.
Jeffro
@Mary G: I liked Van before…like him a lot now…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mary G: I’m not one who thinks that anybody will pay much of a price for supporting Trump– Christie, Gingrich and Rudi were pretty much washed up when they latched on to him, Pence too. But a year from now KAC will be happy to be back on Bill Maher’s last-minute-replacement list as things return to the status quo ante Trumpus
trollhattan
So can’t wait until President Hillary can say, “I’m president now, and you now have to listen to me instead of talking over me.” Jesus, they treat her like crap.
NoraLenderbee
I agree, Wallace did a better job than I expected.
lamh36
@cmorenc: nope…you are comparing him to his RWNJ persona on Faux…compared to that facade…sure maybe..
But he was trying darn hard to give Trump ammo, and if Trump was a better candidate…he would have hit it out of the park.
NotMax
Early voters for Trump rushing to their mailboxes to retrieve their ballots?
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
The past two have been truly killer comedy…why am I seeing this one be only half as funny?
JordanRules
@cmorenc: that framing tho
Hell naw
gf120581
He refused to say he’d accept the results of the election. That’s it. Nothing else matters. That’s the headline for tomorrow.
Watch Republicans flee from him like locusts from pesticide.
scav
@Gin & Tonic: As is the ChiTrib (even above the Cubs, although not in massive type at the moment)
lamh36
Oh…shit…
Baud
I think I might start preparing for things.
Ian
@Anoniminous:
I suspected this would be the case after the Obama years. Kentucky has more registered dems than repubs, but many didn’t want to vote for an African American.
amk
WaterGirl
@Aleta: Yep. They created a republican world that was ready for donald trump, and he’s taking them all down with him. Isn’t karma a bitch.
randy khan
Nicole Wallace on his failure to agree that he’d accept the results: “He basically laid in his coffin with the hammer and the nails” and then a gesture of pounding the nails in. “It was a disqualifying comment.”
And she then says Hillary did her best job yet, and that other Republicans said the same thing.
Another Scott
Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam Wang at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.
PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201
My gut reaction is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.
Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163
Senate: D
House: Very close to D
Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others
You?
Cheers,
Scott.
Stella B.
@randy khan:”Four more years of Obama” and she broke into a big grin. Fine with me too. There’s a reason why PBO has a 55% approval rating. I’d like to see HRC get 55% approval on Nov 8.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Elizabelle:
To me he showed tonight that he is a creature of Fox News. Period.
Death Panel Truck
8-2. Cubbies are killin’ it.
@Darkrose: It’s stupid to judge a baseball team based on who owns it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: He was closer to Aqualung.
Another Scott
Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.
PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201
My gut reaction is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.
Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163
Senate: D
House: Very close to D
Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others
You?
Cheers,
Scott.
Davis X. Machina
Don’t usually root for monarchies, but, hey…
Steve in the ATL
@cmorenc:
Is this a case of lowered expectations? I thought he was awful and clearly had his thumb on the scale. On the plus side, Hillary took on both Wallace and Trump and dominated.
I am both disgusted by and embarrassed for anyone who is a Trump supporter after all this.
PsiFighter37
Kayleigh is on some strong hallucinogens, she thinks Trump did an awesome job.
Joel
@Darkrose: Can’t love the Indians logo — even a little bit — but Terry Francona is a solid dude.
seaboogie
@trollhattan: I noticed and appreciated that she didn’t back down when Trump or Chris Wallace interjected….she just kept plowing on.
WaterGirl
@Mary G: I like Van Jones.
Another Scott
(Trying 3rd time…)
Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.
PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201
My feeling is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain, and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.
Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163
Senate: D
House: Very close to D
Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others
You?
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
Absolutely. I would also say it was the best of Trump’s three debates in terms of style.
Kay
@Anoniminous:
Kentucky has to terrify them. The most heartening thing I saw today was the Scholastic poll. I believe in the poll of 2nd graders. My now 8th grader voted in it in the Obama/McCain election. I asked him who he voted for and he said “NOT the lady in the red coat” Sarah Palin :)
They get pictures of the candidates. We need those.
JR in WV
@Larkspur:
Yes. Yes! He did say that, he might as well have called her a bitch, which is what he wanted to say. Wonderful debate, Donald, wunnerful~!!!
Elizabelle
@WaterGirl:
Astute and succinct. Wish this would be the election postmortem.
Gin & Tonic
Fuck you, Tweety.
Joel
@Death Panel Truck: The Ricketts are as awful as their namesake disease, but virtually every owner in professional sports is a raging wingnut. That said, the Ricketts are probably a cut above (alongside Jerry Richardson et al.)
Omnes Omnibus
@TriassicSands:I am an enthusiastic HRC supporter, but I don’t feel sorry for her at all. She is doing what she needs to do.
Jeffro
@seaboogie: it was important to draw a stark contrast with Trump and not complain about ‘unfairness’ in any form (including the moderator’s questions) She would have been right on her facts but lost the advantage of the contrast. It was great. Disciplined. Leader-ly.
amk
Patricia Kayden
Does anyone expect Trump to act like a decent human being instead of the egomaniac that he is? Of course he’s not going to accept that a girl whooped his behind given his sense of entitlement.
Who cares if he doesn’t accept the outcome of the election? He will still have lost — and hopefully he drags down the rest of his Party with him.
Ruckus
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
That’s eighty not eight.
Baud
@amk: I noticed that too. The problem with Trump is that he says so many awful things, you can’t focus on any one of them.
sukabi
@Another Scott: he’s definitely not a people person…
barns
Why do you people care what Tweety thinks? Who gives a fuck. He represents nobody but himself. Has a colorized picture of young actor Reagan hanging on his bedroom wall.
WaterGirl
Talked to a friend this afternoon who told me this afternoon that he wanted to vote because he always does but he wasn’t sure he could vote this year because he didn’t like either of them. Just got a text about the bad hombres trump wants to get rid of. That’s one no vote that just flipped to the Hillary column.
Botsplainer
Finally hooked into inflight wifi as other pax fall asleep. Right now, I’m over Hudson Bay. Flight path is taking me within a few hundred miles of the North Pole, then over Siberia (about halfway between Irkutsk and Vladivostok), then over eastern Mongolia and part of Manchuria before Beijing.
What did I miss?
lgerard
Let’s not celebrate too early
The drudge poll has trump winning the debate 76-24!!!!!!!
amk
@Steve in the ATL: Nonsense. He was being the typical aggressive to dems and ass kissing to donnie pox news persona spouting the typical rw talking points.
Lizzy L
@seaboogie: She does NOT back down. That woman is steel clear through.
Thank god that’s over. Now back to work.
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
Not sure I want to know how you know that.
Baud
@Botsplainer: A bludgeoning.
Incitatus for Senate
OMG
A: Retorically speaking, she beat him with a stick.
B: Loved her outfit, anyone else think she had a little Thomas Jefferson thing going on?
C: Bill, before she walked on stage: “What is best in life?”
Hillary: “To crush your enemies — See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!”
indycat32
@burnspbesq: that is hilarious.
Mary G
Van is killing it. They all said Trump started out well and Van said no. You have to go back to LL Cool J and the lies that he lied about lying about.
sukabi
@barns: no, it’s a Reagan blowup doll.
Baud
@lgerard: Oh no!
NotMax
@Joel
Green Bay?
redshirt
@Botsplainer: Hillary KILLED it. She was so good.
RandomMonster
I think the “a nasty woman” line will be headline news too. And it was all her provoking that made him say it.
redshirt
@Lizzy L: American steel!
Betty Cracker
Christ, here’s the block of cream cheese again. Even he knows Trump’s refusal to accept the results is bad.
randy khan
Hugh Hewitt just said Trump won 14 out of 15 rounds, but knocked himself out on the accepting the results issue. (Hewitt is useless on the rest.)
Steeplejack (phone)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yeah, just noticed this again at about 11:00.
I’m a little behind reading this thread.
redshirt
I might be messed in the head but I actually enjoyed this debate. Like, I had a great time watching.
Go Hillz!
Omnes Omnibus
@Davis X. Machina: Bess.
Darkrose
@Death Panel Truck: Your opinion is noted.
trollhattan
@seaboogie:
It seems like low-hanging fruit to call out misogyny in this election when so much Hillary hate hangs in the air but at times, tonight being an overwhelming example, she’s outright treated dismissively because she’s a woman. I’m sickened.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
What happened to all of Trump’s stunt guests?
WaterGirl
@Botsplainer: new thread just up. you might try posting that comment again yp there.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
Does he show.
Steeplejack (phone)
Hugh Hewitt—also a worthless fuck.
Gin & Tonic
@Botsplainer: Trump took a gun and shot himself in both feet at once.
TS
@hovercraft:
After the first 2, this one had to be better – thus said, the goon had help from the moderator – all the questions were directed towards very basic issues that he might understand.
My disgust was at the beginning – wh0 debates SCOTUS and the constitution by discussing abortion and the 2nd amendment. Those 2 topics are ALL the orange excuse for a person knows about SCOTUS and the constitution. I found the questions and followup insulting to anyone who has read the constitution – and the goon sure has not.
Anoniminous
@Kay:
We heard last week the GOP national party figures were in a panic, now we know why.
This is shaping into a Landslide.
randy khan
@lgerard:
76-24 in a Drudge poll is a loss for Trump.
NotMax
Classic elementary school joke:
Did you hear about the butcher who accidentally backed into the meat grinder?
He got a little behind in his work.
JR in WV
@Kay:
That is so terrible, You should stop now, I think it’s in the bag for Hills.
Thanks for all you do for us! A great poster and commenter.
I’ve been phone bank calling into Ohio from down here, it’s mostly been OK so far. Once I got a return call from a “no answer” guy, he turned out to be working for Hillary up there, and he said he was greatly cheered to hear that people in WV were calling into Ohio to help him out.
Elizabelle
@Botsplainer: Happy jet trails. What a whirlwind trip. Enjoy!
Ruckus
@cckids:
I’ve said it here before, if not in this way, GWB and his gang of assholes ruined me. I had nothing left, lost a small new business (weren’t we supposed to open small businesses to grow the economy?), lost my retirement fund, lost all my savings, ended up with $200 to my name and no place to live other than my 14 yr old van. I now live in a nice apt with a good job, just replaced the van with a new car….. Yeah Thanks Obama. Thank You very, very much. Four more years of that? Fucking A, I’ll take that for the rest of my life. And hope that everyone else gets some of that.
Mothra
@Mary G: that was great
NotMax
#346 was in relation to Steeplejack, above.
My bad on the omission.
Elizabelle
@Kay: Do you think Kellyanne will be able to wash the Trumpstink off her?
I don’t. There are just people who should not be in polite society or on non-Fox TV after this has concluded. ETA: Giuliani, Gingrich, too many to mention. Everyone who foisted this genuinely dangerous and divisive nominee on us.
Mothra
@Anoniminous: he’s the model of a modern major general
Elie
@Incitatus for Senate:
Agree with all three points….
Mothra
@Elizabelle: some of that is HER
Elizabelle
@Mothra: Tee hee.
New thread.
Steeplejack (phone)
This is the first time I’ve seen Uday (D. Jr.) speak. He’s even more repellent than in his photographs.
scuffletuffle
@Botsplainer: My deep and everlasting envy…oh, you mean the debate?
Mothra
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: “so nasty”
= you unfeminine unfuckable bitch from hell
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: The lurkers support Trump in email, you guys.
Steve in the ATL
@amk:
Dude, that was my point exactly.
Another Scott
@Gin & Tonic: And reloaded. And fired again. And repeated the cycle multiple times.
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
sukabi
@Theron Ware: lost his nut
Trentrunner
Not enough being said about how phenomenally strong Hillary was tonight.
She was prepared, impassioned, steely, and she endured. Her answers were so, so good on almost every question and in every exchange.
I am so proud and can’t wait to vote for her. :)
Another Scott
@Trentrunner: What’s keeping you from doing so? I voted about 2 weeks ago. ;-)
Yeah, she was great. I even liked her answer about her proposed No Fly Zone – and I’ve been (and remain) skeptical about that for a very long time.
Cheers,
Scott.
JR in WV
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m proud of her, and I hope she’s proud of the job she has done over the past year. Not to mention building the best campaign staff since Obama built his. Now if only she can keep it together and point it at the Democratic Party!
JR in WV
@Botsplainer:
She kicked his ass. All you need to know. Oh, yes, he didn’t say he would accept the results of the election, and the press corps is appalled. Totally. Disqualifying statement!
Sweet
Trentrunner
CNN snap poll:
Clinton 52
Trump 39
:)
Mary G
That was her best performance. She was relaxed and positive and brushed off Wallace’s frames.
CNN polls 52/39 Hillary won it.
oldswede
@lgerard: Drudge has almost 100 readers? Still?
artem1s
has the rage tweeting begun? or will we have to wait until 3 AM?
Elizabelle
@PsiFighter37:
Not watching any of the kabuki afterwards. Lots of heat and no light.
Positively zenlike here.
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Got it. Though sort of sorry I did.
:: bad joke groan ::