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Trump crowd yelling "lock her up" about the People magazine writer really gives away what that chant is all about, doesn't it?
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 14, 2016
Donald Trump — terrible human being, tremendous target.
Apart from mocking Lord Smallgloves Shitgibbon, what’s on the agenda for the day?
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NotMax
As some here have mentioned they like Quentin Tarantino’s movies, a rare chance to see a film he has called an influence on him at 2 in the a.m. Monday (eastern time) on TCM in all its wide-screen “glory.”
Goke, Body Snatcher from Hell is a garish, unrelentingly cheesy and ultimately nihilistic Japanese mishmash of stranded travelers, aliens and vampires. Have a pair of shades handy, the color palette makes Day-Glo paints look like pastels.
craigie
All of these are excellent, but “Get the @$%& away from me” is Gold.
OzarkHillbilly
I’m going to enjoy the weather.
Punchy
Off to run my last half-marry of the season. Since I absolutely suck at pacing, this is certain to be a great 8 mile run followed by a painful 3 mile shuffle and an absolutely excruciating 2 mile drag-my-ass-to-the-line hobble. So….fun!
OzarkHillbilly
@craigie: I think I still like “Grope THIS.” best, but the last is a close second.
Ian
Yes, it really does. Jesus…
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
NotMax
Keeping in the spirit of the post, a Horsey editorial cartoon.
satby
@rikyrah: Good morning!
MJS
@Punchy: I can’t even pace myself for a 5k. Makes me feel better to hear real runners have the same problem
Betty Cracker
I hyper-extended the Achilles tendon on my right foot yesterday, and I thought it hurt last night, but DAMN, it hurts like hell today! I can barely hobble around. Unfortunately, I’ve got a shit-load of errands to run today, plus tons of people coming over for a cookout tomorrow. Not sure how I’m going to pull this off. Ibuprofen doesn’t even touch it.
low-tech cyclist
Chris Hayes is right on target. Whatever largely-unspecified offenses Trump and his brownshirts imagine Hillary committed concerning her handling of sensitive emails, the “lock her up!” chant has little connection to them any more. The other day, for instance, Trump said Hillary should be locked up because of her plotting with international financiers.
They’ve gotten to the point where it’s strictly about finding enemies to crucify. It’s fascism.
NotMax
@Betty Cracker
Down home hints which may help.
1) Soak the foot and ankle in very warm water into which Epsom salts have been dissolved.
2) Use an Ace bandage if going to be standing/walking.
craigie
Well, at least we’re not talking about his taxes any more.
Nice work, Trump!
JPL
Trump’s new beauty pageant link
Betty Cracker
@NotMax: Thank you. I will give that a try.
low-tech cyclist
@Punchy: When I ran cross-country in high school, we occasionally ran as much as 13 miles in practice. Half-marathons weren’t a thing in the late 1960s, so none of us thought, “hey, we’re running a half-marathon today.” We typically ran 10-11 miles in practice, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less.
Wouldn’t want to do it now, though. As my handle suggests, if I’m going to cover lots of ground under my own power, I’ll do it on a bicycle. The view changes too damn slowly when running.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: Good luck. Hopefully the ace bandage gives you enough support, that you can do your errands.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: Take the time to elevate it and put ice on it. As little as a half hour can make all the difference in the world.
satby
@Betty Cracker: When I had my last bout with tendonitis and frozen shoulder Aleve helped the pain better than ibuprofen. I don’t take Tylenol or it’s generic versions so can’t speak to that, but after months of pain the generic Aleve let me forget my shoulder many days until it finally healed.
Joel
I finally found the Trump campaign song (clean version).
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: I must be the only person in the world who finds icing an injury to be more painful than the injury in the first place, at least after the immediate response.
OzarkHillbilly
@NotMax: @Betty Cracker: Only AFTER 24 hrs. Before that the warm epsom bath can make things worse. So says the voice of experience, bad experience.
adorable trnc
Paul Ryan seems to have a full grasp of projection.
Donnie Deviant talks about the barely living hell that is America, but Hillary is the downer. Right.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: Ice is what you use for the first 24 hours to keep the swelling down. After that it is heat (the warm epsom bath NotMax suggests is the best in my experience) to increase the blood flow through the injury and get the swelling down further. Using heat too soon will increase the swelling.
Like you I found the ice to be painful at first, but nowadays I will use it for 3 or 4 days before going to the heat. Everyone is different.
craigie
@adorable trnc:
Mr Ryan: Please show us the original thinking from conservatives. We’ll wait.
bemused
I’m loving the Oregon Centennial High School sports team members making a statement against Trump sleaze by wearing t-shirts with logo Wild Feminists. I hope this spreads across the country and we see males, not Trump, wearing the t-shirt everywhere.
magurakurin
@Betty Cracker: take more ibuprofen. I twisted my ankle once skiing. It swelled up like a grapefruit. It was Sunday night. I had a trip planned to Colorado the coming Saturday. I took ibuprofen in 600mg doses 6 times a day. I iced the ankle for a couple days and then used heat. I went on the trip anyway. The ankle hurt but I skied all weekend. It was dumb thing to do as the ankle was stiff and sore for a year, but massive doses of ibuprofen allow one to do quite a bit with an injury.
amk
Toles nails it.
At this point, guess his racist nutters ‘base’ will still stand with him even if he does sexual assault on live teevee.
BillinGlendaleCA
@craigie: Tax cuts for the 1% and ending those pesky regulations so you have the freedumb to get injured or killed on the job. Makes life much more interesting.
Hillary Rettig
@OzarkHillbilly: the duck lips are freaking me out
Raven
Noon game with Vandy. Things are never easy for the Dawgs. My Florida tickets are dying on Stub Hub, interest seems as bad as I’ve ever experienced.
Hillary Rettig
@Betty Cracker: try turmeric in addition to the ibu. I don’t know if it will help with hyperextension but it’s a kickass antinflammatory and it helps us with all kinds of random pains. get a good brand and make sure it’s blended with black pepper, which increases effectiveness. and take care!
Raven
@Betty Cracker: rest ice compression and elevation RICE
Betty Cracker
Thanks for the injury advice, all. If I walk on tip-toe on that foot, I can hobble along. If I try to put weight on it with my foot in the normal position, it’s excruciating. Hopefully this is one of those things that resolve if you just go on about your business.
Kay
PA and FL are out of reach (I believe) and that’s the ball game for the Trumpsters. Thank God. Even WITH FL and PA they would have had to flip another 2012 state, so it was always a reach, but still-I’d rather have 2 ways to beat them raher than 1.
I’ve lost interest in them. Now I just want this over with them losing :)
I went to a continuing legal education event yesterday. Half the day-long program was on sexual assault. Rep Latta was there- just a coincidence- he’s a lawyer so he needs continuing ed credits like any other OH lawyer. Anyway, I was sitting behind him and wondering if he was embarrassed, listening to the speakers talk about “sexual imposition” which is the Ohio law that makes what Trump did to women a criminal offense (in some cases, depending on specific facts).
It can be criminal. Latta was sitting there listening to a 3 hour lecture on that. Some of the alleged incidents with Trump easily fit within the Ohio criminal statute on “sexual imposition”.
Raven
@Betty Cracker: yea, walking on it is a sure fire way to heal!!!!!
Raven
The dog parade is tomorrow. 115 mutts registered!
satby
@magurakurin: That’s a serious OD on ibuprofen. The max should be something like 1200 mg per day I’m pretty sure.
Edited to add: going to take my own advice and have some Aleve, because now I have plantar fasciitis. And I have to get ready for work.
Betty Cracker
@Raven: I hope it goes smoothly! My dogs are too ill-trained to participate in an event like that, but it’s fun to watch others’ dogs.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: My cocker is afraid of other dogs, she’s starting to get used to a dog we sometimes see on our evening walk. The YorkiePom has no fear, of anything.
satby
@Raven: that’s a big doggie parade!
OzarkHillbilly
@Hillary Rettig: They freak me out in the pictures even more. If I ever came face to face with them I fear the urge to squash them like a bloated leech might overwhelm me.
gene108
@craigie:
There budgets and economic proposals are works of fiction, which only make sense by wishful thinking.
magurakurin
@satby: it was. It was dumb, too, because even though I got the swelling down and was able to ski, skiing on the injury made it take ages to fully heal. But the tickets were paid for…
JPL
@Raven: Pictures!
OzarkHillbilly
@Raven: Have fun.
Raven
@BillinGlendaleCA: Have you seen Martin Clunes on Dogs? It’s on Netflix and it’s really good. He has 2 English Cockers and a Lab and he goes all over the world telling dog stories.
magurakurin
@satby:
according to this I was still in the safe zone, but it was still dumb.
Aleta
@Betty Cracker: If you think an ankle brace would help, ASO brand is very good. (It wraps like an ACE but is more stabilizing and compressing, and is designed to stay cool.) Risk of walking the 1st day might be of tearing the little fibers around the Achilles, which isn’t noticeable but that would weaken it and risk bigger tear. They say that the connective tissue around an injury temporarily goes from liquid-like to solid-like in order to protect it from further tearing, and that stiffness signals the need to not use it.
Raven
@JPL: Yea, the boss lady says my job is to walk our varmits so I’m giving my camera to a young lady who is doing work for the high school magazine.
workworkwork
Starting my second full day at home from hospital.
Things are started to come together. The first night was more about panic than otherwise as I tried to figure out what I could do with my movement restrictions and what I couldn’t while I’m on my own.
But our cleaning lady came by to help and now at least I have some fresh food and veggies in the house. I put some chicken in the slow cooker so I have leftovers to work with in addition to what’s in the freezer and my cooking stuff is easily accessible.
I’m still moving at about quarter speed and tiring easily so yesterday afternoon was spent watching Justice League cartoons on Netflix while clearing voice mails, making follow-up appointments and calling family to bring them up to date. I got caught up with grading assignments. (Yes, I’ve been teaching an online class since the day before I was admitted to hospital. On the other hand, several of my students were called up for Hurricane Matthew relief duty.)
Today? I might be meeting with a home care nurse for a change of bandages, some PT and more self-care instructions. I’m not thinking too far ahead at this point. Might cook up some crustless broccoli quiche and chop some of the leftover chicken into it. I’m not making any attempt to watch or read the news, except places like here, at once or twice remove. (“Balloon Juice: The Nuclear Test Goggles of Current Events”)
Gonna be some Justice League in there somewhere if I can help it, though.
Betty Cracker
@Aleta: Well crap. Maybe I should find a crutch or something to use. I wish I could just pile up on the sofa today, but it’s not an option.
Joel
@satby: Max is 2400mg/day (800/dose, one every 8 hours). It will have some adverse (blood thinning, pressure increase) but temporary effects.
Aleta
@Raven: Do people ever dress their dogs up to look like different dogs?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Raven: Nope, I watch little TV and fewer movies. Don’t have Netflix. Gotta maintain my cave like existence.
Taylor
@Betty Cracker: Somehow this makes me think of a certain candidate for President saying, Okay, I have pneumonia, but not showing up for the 9/11 commemoration today is not an option….
Aleta
@Betty Cracker: crutch sounds like a great idea. Why do these things always happen the night before the weekend?
BillinGlendaleCA
I managed to get all my chores done yesterday: set off the main computer for repair(under warranty) and get my shopping done. I redid my “Glendale Corner” in the bedroom with pics from the new printer, including a panorama(the printer will print up to 13×19 prints).
ThresherK
@low-tech cyclist: Heehee. Me too. I never ran, but as an adult I’ve got some decently long-distance cycles under my saddle (is that the phrase?) and my prefernce is for the exercise which allows me to coast downhill when I care to.
For the sake of my knees and ankles, which are doing pretty well, I’m too old to think of taking up running.
Gindy51
@Hillary Rettig: You can mix up a batch of Golden Paste. Here is the recipe:
Ingredients:
1/2 cup (125 mls/60gms) turmeric powder
1 cup water (250 mls) PLUS 1 cup water in reserve, if needed
1/3 cup (70 mls) Raw/Cold Pressed/Unrefined Coconut/Flaxseed-Linseed Oil, Virgin/Extra Virgin Olive Oil
2-3 teaspoons freshly ground black pepper
Omit pepper if you cannot tolerate it. The absorption of turmeric will still be improved by cooking the paste AND by the inclusion of oil, BUT remember it will be less effective without the pepper. Place turmeric and water in pan, stirring over gentle heat until you have a thick paste. This should take about 7-10 minutes and you may need to add additional water along the way.
Add the freshly ground pepper and oil AT THE END of cooking. Stir well (a whisk is ideal) to incorporate the oil and allow to cool.
The Golden Paste will keep for 2 weeks, refrigerated
Freeze a portion if you think you have too much to use within two weeks.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker:
Outsource. Do less things, buy more takeout, have partner help.
Don’t be a man about it. Tendons are nothing to fool with.
OzarkHillbilly
@workworkwork: One step at a time.
@Betty Cracker: I’ll lend you mine.
Bupalos
@Betty Cracker:That sounds pretty severe. How do you know you didn’t rupture it?
Percysowner
@Betty Cracker: Really, if you can take 30 minutes to ice, I’d do it. I walked around on a sprained ankle a few years ago and finally had to have surgery to fix things. Once it weakened I kept re-injuring it until RICE didn’t work. I know you’re busy, but at least try to get some swelling down. Take care.
Iowa Old Lady
@Betty Cracker: It is so an option. The world will not end. As a matter of fact, you should go to Urgent Care and make sure you didn’t break it.
Once at my brother’s house, we were sitting around watching TV when the doorbell rang and he answered it to find his wife lying on the porch. She’d stepped in a hole and hurt her ankle. The woman is a nurse, and she kept saying it was no big deal until my bro talked her into going in to Urgent Care. Turned out she broke one ankle and sprained the other.
ThresherK
I think the sock garters (Sheneman’s cartoon) are a nice touch. However, that spells bad news for Big Sock Garter, if that still is an industry.
Betty Cracker
@Bupalos: I don’t know for sure, but I assumed it would be totally incapacitating if that were the case? My SIL is an ER doc. I’ll call her later and see what she thinks.
Thanks for the advice, all. The last thing I want to do is make it worse.
OzarkHillbilly
rumps crowds are YOOOOGE! The Fire Marshall has to turn people away!
Just One More Canuck
@Betty Cracker: @Iowa Old Lady: Agree with Iowa Old Lady. Cancel the cookout, get Mr. Cracker to look after you, watch your Gators. Life will go on.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker:
I was able to walk on my broken ankle but it was very painful and I knew I would make it worse if I did. So I crawled.
rikyrah
@low-tech cyclist:
Of all the billionaires he could have chosen, he chose Carlos Slim.
Not Buffett
Not Cuban
Not Bloomberg
Who all called him out…
But a MEXICAN of ARAB descent.
Uh huh
Uh huh
BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: Heh, he should ask Bernie about the relationship between rally crowds and votes.
different-church-lady
“You can take up to 10 Aleve a day!”
rikyrah
@Kay:
Always kept the eye on Florida.
I never understood Nate Silver’s model. But, the NYT interactive with combinations was good for me. Always clung to that, even when things were looking sort of good for Ferret Head, he had under 80 combinations to 270, while Hillary had hundreds. And, if he lost Florida?
1
He had ONE path to 270.
I like those odds for Hillary.
rikyrah
@Raven:
That sounds adorable. Hope you will share pictures.
rikyrah
@workworkwork:
Hope that your recovery goes well.
craigie
@BillinGlendaleCA:
What’s even funnier is that half the people in that picture are too young to vote. Sad!
BillinGlendaleCA
@craigie: Some reporters have talked to Trump supporters and asked if they’re registered to vote, about half didn’t realize that they needed to register.
ThresherK
@OzarkHillbilly: I can’t Yahoogle it, but I remember a photo of GWB campaigning in 2004 at an arena, perhaps in Detroit. They put up a set of portable curtains shrinking down a hockey-sized arena down to about 40′ x 40′ so the assembled would look like a crowd.
One photo of this sad little display, from the outside, was on the internets. I don’t think it made any of the Liberal Media, all of which showed the inside tent without mentioning the 20,000 empty seats.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Maybe not a perfect comparison, because Trump’s rally was in the daytime and Obama’s was in the evening, but I wonder about the crowd sizes- shrinking? It’s impossible to tell because he lies constantly: but the stuff about “thousands outside who couldn’t get in” has been bullshit for weeks.
JPL
@BillinGlendaleCA: haha They stole the election from him! Do you have a link, or remember where you saw that?
Jeffro
@BillinGlendaleCA: it’s a conspiracy I tell ya…
Betty Cracker
Update: My husband went behind my back and canceled the shindig we were to host, so it looks like I’ll get to pile up on the sofa with my foot elevated all day after all. Can’t say I’m not relieved.
BillinGlendaleCA
@JPL: Don’t remember where I saw it.
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
At some point, that won’t happen anymore. For the first 24 hours, RICE, or you’ll be miserable.
JMG
@Kay: One thing I’ve noticed about the thousands of stories about people at Trump rallies (still waiting to see one about people at Clinton rallies) is that many of those interviewed have traveled a good distance to be there, that is, they are not residents of the state where the rally is taking place. Especially true for Trumpists living in blue states next to battleground states, New Yorkers in Pa., Illinoisans in Wisconsin, etc. So I wonder if a percentage of the crowd are like those people who follow Phish around, or who used to follow the Grateful Dead. They need that emotional catharsis,.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Here’s a piece of ‘I did it, but you don’t have to’ advice. Do not overdose.
Just One More Canuck
@Betty Cracker: Good for Mr. Cracker
Schlemazel
Guys? All those painkillers you are talking about can cause liver damage, particularly in high dosage use. Never add alcohol, not even a glass of wine when you are taking more than a couple a day as that increases the risk. While it has its own risks aspirin is the only OTC analgesic that does not have this issue. Be careful with them all.
@Betty Cracker: EXCELLENT – take care
Baud
@JMG:
LOL.
Poopyman
@MattF: Ummmmm, ouch? Doesn’t that result in organ failure?
MattF
@Poopyman: It could. Fortunately for me, it didn’t.
Schlemazel
It occurred to me last night, and I do hope this is original but I don’t think I have seen it around, that the GOP has really evolved. They have gone from the party of Lincoln to the party of John Wilkes Booth.
OzarkHillbilly
@ThresherK: It can be hard to fill an arena. I volunteered at an Obama rally at the dome in STL. He filled the floor and possibly a third of the way up one end of it. They said it was 20K but I did not think so.** Looking at the pics you never would have known. Contrast that with the famous pics of his rally under the Arch in ’08 and one could be forgiven for thinking “That’s ONLY 100,000???”
** it is very difficult to judge crowd sizes just by looking at them so they could well have been right. The floor was jam packed where I was.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: A HERO arises! Good for him.
MattF
@Schlemazel: Yep. Current issue of NYRB has a review of a book about the pre-Civil War abolitionists, and I had the same thought. Did-you-know that the abolitionists were also the precursors of the women’s rights movement? The Seneca Falls convention in 1848 was mostly organized and attended by abolitionists. So there’s also that.
JPL
@BillinGlendaleCA: Another case of news overload. I can relate!!
@Betty Cracker: Good news indeed.
Mobil RoonieRoo
@Betty Cracker: you have a good husband.
SFAW
@magurakurin:
Um … 600 mg x 6 times/day = 3600
Max recommended is 3200
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel:
Figures. I’m allergic to aspirin (which means I can’t take any of the anti-inflammatories because of cross reactions, so I’m doubly fvcked)
MattF
@OzarkHillbilly: Aspirin’s not harmless either.
Schlemazel
@MattF:
Thanks. I did know that and both were echos of “The Great Awakening”, a religious fervor tha\at took the nation by storm in the early 1800s. Some people sold everything & waited in fields for the second coming . . . TWICE! Many were moved to make great social change & attached themselves to anti-slavery. History is really a complex set of reactions and action with unpredictable (sometimes) results.
OzarkHillbilly
@MattF: It sure as shit isn’t for me. My lungs shut down.
ARoomWithAMoose
@Betty Cracker: If tip-toe works, do you have some clogs, work boots, or hiking boots that have a little bit of heel raise, might take some strain off the tendon while ambulating. Just keep in mind the altered gait/posture is going to cause other strains if you over do the errands.
zach
@Hillary Rettig: Here in Japan, turmeric drinks are super common as hangover prevention/remedy. I’m sure they’re imported into the US, so search amazon or whatever for “ukon” (Japanese for “turmeric”) if you want a convenient (but maybe expensive) way to get a concentrated dose of turmeric.
I’ve never tried it for hangovers, but I have taken it before long-distance running races and it seems to help a bit with staving off inflammatory discomfort.
Schlemazel
@OzarkHillbilly:
YOW! I had not heard of an allergy to aspirin, I guess it is straight to morphine for you! That sucks.
@MattF:
Yeah I mentioned it has its own problems but the value for most people is often ignored because of the successful ad campaigns of the slicker newer drugs. Bottom line is don’t take any if you don’t really need them, don’t take more than recommenced dose, take them with LOTS of water (8 oz at a minimum) and never drink booze at all when on them.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: Yay! He’s a good one.
bystander
@NotMax: We are away from our DVR but back on Sunday. I definitely want to see this one. Thanks for the tip, NotMax.
Gvg
@Betty Cracker: you may not think of this because you don’t think of yourself as handicapped, but those electric shopping carts with seats in certain stores like Publix or Walmart are there to be used. For the next few weeks, use them when you shop. If you are in pain it will influence where you shop. Also if it’s bad enough your doctor can give you a temp handicapped parking permit, which does help. Crutches hurt my arms almost as bad as an injury. A coworker had a sort of device with wheels that she kneeled on the bad leg and scooted pushed with the other knee. It looked a little tippy when she was learning about it but enabled her to do her job through months of recovery after ankle surgery. A plain ole walker may work too.
WereBear
If they are fundamentalists, they are desperate for church approved entertainment. According to the Hitler biography I am reading now (which is excellent and fully deserving of the good reviews) Hitler would pack meeting spaces because he was performance art and it didn’t cost a thing.
WereBear
@MattF: Women. Cleaning up ya’lls messes for 12,000 years :)
Amir Khalid
@BillinGlendaleCA:
The people at Trump’s rallies don’t know they must register to vote? Why doesn’t Trump tell them? SMH. No one on Hillary’s side gives a speech without telling people to REGISTER and VOTE. Hillary’s got a whole army of staff and volunteers to help people do just that.
KS in MA
@Betty Cracker: Good for him. Get well soon!
Karmus
@Betty Cracker: Yay. Good. Feel better.
Gin & Tonic
@WereBear: It was performance art, and he was great at it. My mother always said he was the most electrifying public speaker she ever saw.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
Well done Mr. Cracker.
Now just sit back and relax.
Cleos
A notable comment to that article came from someone responding to the inevitable (and inevitably tiresome) ‘at least Fillintheblank is an honest abuser/rapist/arsonist’:
” It is not hypocritical to refrain from saying and acting out our animal instincts, but a sign of good behavior and good socialization. . . . By the way, Bill Clinton had the sexual morals of an alley cat, but he never publicly bragged about his conquests or took delight in telling others how he criminally violated women.”
Wouldn’t have put it in terms of “animal instincts”, but this is a good response to that particular, and popular, inanity. Especially, in this case, when the remark is followed by one defending Trump based on opposition to censorship of “adult humor.”
p.a.
@Amir Khalid: They think their white skin is their registration. And their crappy hats, also too.
KS in MA
@WereBear: Mind sharing the title of the excellent Hitler book?
magurakurin
@SFAW: well, I said it was dumb. And I never was good at math.
WereBear
@Gin & Tonic: How fascinating, and how horrible it must have been for her to experience what happened. Front row seat indeed.
The author make the point that Hitler’s true gifts were in oratory/acting. He also became different people to his different types of fans. Too bad he didn’t get into the expanding German theater of the time. We might have a totally different trajectory today.
laura
@satby: satby, get yourself a golf ball or foot roller and really work the foot back and forth over it to break up the fascia – and yes, it hurts like hell. Adjust the amount of weight resting on the ball or roller and increase as necesseary.
On the ibuprofen -I have the 800 mls, and 3 times per day is the limit of dosage, says the former queen of endometriosis.
You might also consider the sock that has the toe extension sown to the shin portion that keeps your foot flex while sleeping -it’s Hella goofy looking as a bonus.
WereBear
@KS in MA: Gladly!
Hitler: Ascent, 1899-1939
It was frontpaged here a couple of weeks ago. Wonderfully written: it just pulls you along.
Cleos
@Betty Cracker:
Never underestimate the value of having someone at your side who’s willing to ‘play the heavy’ when it’s called for. :-).
raven
@laura: Isn’t a tennis ball a little more forgiving than a golf ball?
Amir Khalid
@WereBear:
Maybe Adolf should have applied to a drama school instead of an art college.
hovercraft
This Cracked article about the rural, city divide is fascinating.
It’s a long read, that tries to explain Trumpsters. Though there is no excusing them.
JordanRules
How did they get the head deplorable to not go after FLOTUS? Her speech was amazing with lots of bait.
Cleos
@MattF:
There’s a little more to it. The 1848 Seneca Falls convention was organized by abolitionist women who had discovered that the male abolitionists’ liberation goals didn’t apply to them. It didn’t even apply to their being taken seriously as participants in the abolition movement. Sort of like the radical women in the late 1960s who rethought a few things after hearing — from a decidedly sanctified bovine — that their position in the movement was “prone.”
BTW, newspapers, magazines, schoolbooks and letters from the mid-1800s make it clear that while the North and South disagreed about slavery to the point of seceding and then going to war over it, there was no disagreement whatsoever about race. None. Even people considered liberal in those days were grossly racist by our standards, except for a few non-mainstream religious groups.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Joy Reid opens her show with a full screen: “Late last night, the Trump campaign cancelled all their surrogates on AM Joy”
next screen:
“Enjoy the show”
I think Joy’s out of fucks, too.
skerry
This is frightening and very dangerous. The establishment Republicans should be speaking out.
WereBear
@Amir Khalid: Right? He could have still been the nasty piece of work, but on a personal level.
However, the book also reveals his aversion to social settings; not a friendly guy. Ever. The “basket of puppies” culture of theater would have not appealed to him.
S. cerevisiae
@Betty Cracker: Please get your tendon checked by a doctor. Mine blew completely while I was dancing, felt like someone clipped me on the back of the leg with a tire iron when it went but I was able to walk after. If it has torn you need to get the surgery done ASAP before the tendon contracts too much.
Mandalay
Some nauseating news about how things roll for the rich and famous…
But on the plus side, the entire country now knows that Billy Bush is a bootlicking misogynist.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
The Trump “campaign” is not an actual campaign, he is the personification of why business persons should stick to what they know and allow political consultants to run political campaigns. It’s fine to bring your ideas, but things are done a certain way for a reason. Over the last couple of weeks Trump is now telling his rally attendees to remember to register, but they do not have the staff and volunteers there to actually register them, or the address of where they should go, or any of the basic infrastructure you need. The Trump campaign just throws out information at a rally without any instructions on how to do it or measure how the people are actually responding.
They are not a campaign they are a cult of personality.
bemused
@skerry:
lol
Baud
@Mandalay:
So he’s got a good shot at the GOP nomination in 2020.
hovercraft
@JordanRules:
For some reason they’ve been able to burn that one thing into his head, and so far even as he burns every other bridge he has left that one intact, so far. As he realizes that there is no recovery this time, who knows who he’ll lash out at, no one is safe. This is a rabid raccoon, and it’s been cornered. Be afraid, be very afraid.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
They got tired of her chewing up and spitting out all of the mouthpieces the sent her way. Cowards.
Go Joy! Can’t wait to watch her when I get home.
StringOnAStick
@Betty Cracker: Betty, that sounds like a tear, not just a hyper-extension (been there, done that, crap that hurts!). You’re going to need one of those boots to hold your ankle rigid until it heals some, and it is going to hurt for awhile. If you are still in that much pain after a few days, go see the ortho doc.
waysel
@hovercraft: I just turned Joys show on in the other room even though I’m not watching it. I assume cable TV has automatic ratings counters, and I want her show to prosper. It even makes it look like we’re watching the damn commercials. ( I always watch anything later on the DVR so I can zip past the commercials.)
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: Betty, have you heard of kinesiology tape? I get the KT tape brand at the local shoe store for runners, but I bet any athletic store would have it. That might really help you out here, but you kind of need to know what you are doing. There are tons of youtube videos that tell you how to use the tape for various injuries.
KT tape supports your injured area and also brings more blood flow for healing.
Corner Stone
@hovercraft: Joy is laying out a pretty comprehensive foundation spelling out everything that is going on in the allegations against Trump. Worth watching to see it all in one series.
Matt McIrvin
@JMG: Trump’s most intense and passionate supporters are blue-state Republicans, especially in the Northeast. The Howie Carr demographic. Living in a Democratic-voting state has ratcheted up their resentment of liberals and minorities to unbelievable levels, and Trump expresses those resentments in raw howling form. I’m not surprised they’ll travel to go to his rallies.
Corner Stone
I wish I could steal Joe Conason’s voice.
WaterGirl
@magurakurin: @Betty Cracker: I second what magurakurin had to say. When I injured my back in an accident with a semi, they had me take 4 advil 4 times a day. I know you have to be careful with your stomach, but if you took just one or two advil for this, it’s probably not going to cut it. Maybe try 3 and see what that does. It helps with the inflammation and the pain.
P.S. Take it with a milk product – I don’t drink milk so they had me take it with chocolate pudding. :-)
P.P.S. Second the numeric recommendation. I had a lot of back pain last summer and the advil couldn’t even touch it. I got Curamin at the health food store and I’ll be damned if it wasn’t much better in a day.
Dolly Llama
@Raven: UGA 28-Vanderbilt 10. You saw it here first. What’s your first impressions of Kirby now that we’re halfway through his first year?
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@workworkwork: I’m glad you’re home and starting to find a routine to work with. Good to know there’s help coming in, too.coping alone is Not Great.
raven
@Dolly Llama: I’m fine with him. I don’t know if you get 960 the Ref but, on Friday mornings at 8am, they have Ross Tanner on. He was the center for David Green and his comments are excellent. He did point out that there is ONE head coach in the top 25 that is a defensive coach and you know who that is. Did you see Stub Hub’s listings for the Florida game? I’ve dropped mine to $10 below face and they still are not moving.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@OzarkHillbilly: I’m sure you have, but I’ll ask: have you talked in depth to a pharmacist or doc about cross sensitivity? I ask because aspirin (a salicylates) technically a NSAID in that it’s not steroidal (duh), but in a chemically different class from the NSAIDs that are propionic acid derivatives (ibuprofen, etc.) I had a quick and unpleasant reaction to fenoprofen and cannot take any of the propionic acids because of cross sensitivity but my docs and pharmacist – who were adamant about avoiding those – have no issues w/aspirin or acetaminophen based on that reaction. I won’t touch acetaminophen because the threshold between therapeutic and toxic is such a razor edge. I’m sure you’ve had that discussion, but just in case…
And I hope you’re healing well after your last injury repair.
@Betty Cracker: ETA: He’s a champ, and feel better. Rest (and ice, elevation, compression and Epsom salt)is your friend.
hovercraft
@waysel:
Her ratings have been really good, but every little bit helps.
@Corner Stone:
My DVR will be waiting for me when I get home. She is always a welcome respite from the both siderism crap on most other shows. She lets them come on but will not let them just lie their way through every discussion.
Has Kellyanne surfaced anywhere yet? She hasn’t been seen on TV for several days now, which is supposed to be her function.
pat
@Betty Cracker:
You said you hyperextended the achilles tendon. Any chance it is torn? I’d go to urgent care and have a doc take a look. Then you can get one of those lovely boots……
raven
@raven: Russ
Iowa Old Lady
I find it increasingly harder to sympathize with Trump voters. They’re not obviously handicapped for success in the way minorities, immigrants, and women are. And they keep voting for politicians who will harm their well being.
Someone on here yesterday cited an interview with a woman who worried that Trump would take away her health insurance but she was voting for him anyway because she believed Clinton would somehow make it illegal for her to say Merry Christmas. How do you sympathize with that?
raven
@pat: Our Habitat Store has a bunch of those boots that are nearly new.
Botsplainer
@hovercraft:
If we just had a well funded elite political press to write articles like that, instead of having to rely on satirical comic sites….
Corner Stone
I want to hear the MGM The Apprentice out takes but I am not buying Allred’s argument for how she would compel MGM to produce them.
Doug R
@adorable trnc: ….says the man who went to college on government assistance.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
This makes me so happy I could squee. SQUEEE!!!
It’s such a tighter show. More informative, coherent and cohesive. And I don’t mean because it’s all going along with my preset bias. It’s just people speaking the truth without having someone interrupt every 17 seconds to argue loudly that the sky is magenta and the moon doesn’t exist.
ETA, and so far so good! No Hugh Hewitt either!
Amir Khalid
The Donald called Lil Jon “Uncle Tom” on the set of The Apprentice despite his own staff begging him to stop, reports TPM.
Corner Stone
I saw a note somewhere on twitter that Real Time had no right wing guest last night. And it was a very much better show by all the panelists.
I wish a lot of shows would start doing this more often. We already know what the Trump surrogates are going to say. They are going to lie in outrageous ways. What good is that for conversation?
Baud
@Corner Stone: That’s how Chris Hayes weekend show was. He now feels the need to spend half his nightly show talking to conservatives.
StringOnAStick
I’m headed out to Michigan early tomorrow to be with my husband and the soon to be widow of my husband’s brother. He’s fading fast, I may not get there in time for his passing, but I will be there to help with the aftermath. 56 is too young and he’s suffered so much from this cancer; I hope he passes peacefully.
adorable trnc
@Doug R: Well, it just gets better and better. The only person missing from the cavalcade of whine is Craig T. Nelson.
Gin & Tonic
@Matt McIrvin: Truth. I have actually read non-insane people arguing that there’s a possibility Trump could take RI, which was O+23 in 2012. I haven’t seen any good polling, but there is a shitload of Trump support here.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@skerry: Jesus g*d, as my maternal grandma would say in exasperation, “that’s dangerous” is an understatement. That such a comment will be permitted without pushback is disturbing. And I say this as a credentialed* poll observer in a darkly red region.
*Pedant that I am, I’ll specify that my credentials are not yet issued and the voter protection team is still recruiting SW OH attorneys to volunteer.
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady:
You sympathize with them by electing good Democrats who will enact policies that benefit the whole country, including the deplorables. But that’s it.
JR in WV
@Betty Cracker:
Betty, I have found that Naproxen is much better than any other over-the-counter for muscle/tendon pain, which I have some of all the time. I was taking it daily, and cut back a little. Now when I take it for exceptional days, it really works.
Aleve is the brand name otc version, but a house version is just as good and half the price. The hot water soak also helps. We had a hot-tub for some years that got me to work many days when it wouldn’t have been possible otherwise. Then the spa died.
Botsplainer
@Iowa Old Lady:
Nothing to sympathize with at all. They view their interests differently than you do. You’re interested in comfort, personal security in life, and having a societal interest in the protection of opportunity and rights. Trump voters aren’t interested in those things, but are instead invested in punishing blacks, browns, women, Jews, atheists and gays for being who they are.
There’s nothing the matter with Kansas in terms of people voting “against their interests” – they’re voting their interests.
Baud
@StringOnAStick: I’m sorry to hear that.
@Gin & Tonic: That’s a scary thought.
catclub
Did anyone point out the roundtable at politico with Trump biographers?
It was informative. They have fairly uniform opinions that Trump is showing who is has always been, but still interesting.
Example:
WereBear
@StringOnAStick: My sympathies for everyone.
Corner Stone
@Baud: And he gets rolled half the time. The other night, can’t remember what crazy lady it was, he sat there for two minutes uttering “uh”…”hm”…”ye”. While this person just wingnutted all over the set.
Peale
@Corner Stone: someone posted up that tweety last night was sad because the election was about sexual harassment now and not about a referendum on trade policy, war and something else that I forget. Probably health care. And I’m like, geez, if only there was someone with a TV show who would schedule guests to talk about those things. I’m sure tweety is helpless.
Now let’s get back to John Podesta’s emails.
Lahke
So it’s not actually clear from the discussion whether to drink the tumeric concoction or smear it on….. I ask because I’m currently in one of those Ortho boots and using an anti-inflammatory cream rather than taking an NSAID.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
People who can’t speak American
You built this, Paul Ryan, and you’re still building it. Any Sunday show he appears on, he should be forced to read that around, and then justify his endorsement of the man who inspired
Kropadope
I’m waiting for one of these “lock her up” people to forget himself and shout “Burn the witch!!!”
JMG
It’s tough to book a political talk show, any show, not just Tweety’s, with a policy discussion, since Trump’s surrogates don’t want to go there for the excellent reason Trump is liable to contradict what they say while the damn show is on the air.
debbie
@Kropadope:
“String her up!,” has been heard a couple times.
Lahke
@Lahke: dammit, that’s NSAID. Why won’t it let me fix that?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Peale: immigration, it’s one of his lesser but persistent obsessions because of a bill he worked on in the early eighties
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@hovercraft:
Absolute fucking bullshit. I’m FROM those areas. I’ve known those people. They’re meaner than shit and abuse the Hell out of anyone different. Yes, their way of life is dying. It’s a way of life built on sadistically enforced conformity. He talks about the church being the center of town life. It sure was, because if you were insufficiently religious, they beat you half to death. Sometimes more than half. And yes, they’re scared out of their mind of blacks and see a black man as president as also meaning their way of life is dying. They hate the federal government because it stops them from enforcing conformity. No, they’re not strong and independent. They gleefully suck the government teat and demand more. They just like to tell themselves that they are, based on mythological he-men who do everything for themselves, like the ones described as forefathers in this article. He does a fine job of explaining how it feels to be a Trump follower. Yes, that’s exactly what they think. It just has nothing to do with why they think it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I tried to post this with enraged commentary about there being no meaningful moral difference between Paul Ryan and this guy, but it vanished. Don’t know if there’s a trigger word, or some problem with links. It’s from the Boston Globe.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Iowa Old Lady: It’s almost Pythonesque. Do we know they don’t hold conversations starting with “What have the left ever done for us? Besides Social security, Medicare, public education, infrastructure, AFDC, the GI Bill…”
Then it gets circular, wondering if they’ll ignore (let alone turn on) the big city huckster media of the Right suckering them.
The Argentine soccer team lived in a bubble of sorts in the 1980s, and was shocked to learn, on an overseas trip, that the Falklands War was won by the British. I don’t know how locked-down and state-approved the media was in Argentina in the mid 80s, but that mediaeval of ignorance has nothing on the self-selected bubble RWs find themselves in. Thirty years later. When you can be connected while on a hike 5 miles from a road.
Kropadope
@debbie: Yeah, but this whole thing with the Republicans and Hillary has a real Salem 1600s vibe and apparent motivation.
Dolly Llama
@raven: I gave up going to games long ago. The older I get, the more crowd-averse I’ve become. The last one I went to, I believe, was Georgia vs. Arizona State in a deluge, and all that did was make me feel bad for the poor fuckers who weren’t up under the overhang like me and my brother were. (His boss, a big booster, gave him the tickets.)
Sorry about your Florida tickets. There is a certain listlessness in Dawg Nation right now. You can even see it at the Senator’s place.
bemused
@Corner Stone:
Ann Coulter talked all over Mahr last night. Audience wasn’t impressed with her. Coulter and all the other motor mouth Republicans have hyper speed talking and subject deflection down to an art. Almost impossible to shut them up while they are deliberately running down the clock even for the most skilled questioners.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Except the thing you just described, which is illegal.
Matt McIrvin
@Gin & Tonic: Trump is not going to take Rhode Island. The only recent polls there are UPI/CVOTER, which is notoriously Republican-leaning, and they have it Clinton +19.
But I can testify that the Trumpists in the outer reaches of metro Boston are so visible that you’d think Trump was set to win Massachusetts. And Hillary supporters here keep really, really quiet, because the Trumpies are crazy, no telling what they might do.
Kropadope
@bemused:
I think it’s more a matter of how they like to get their information, long uninterrupted lectures generally by conservative big daddy on the radio. They aren’t used to feedback aside from “yup, uh huh, ditto,” never answer challenging questions.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@bemused: Coulter’s been talking/walking over Maher and his other guests for years. Her, Stephen Moore, Reihan Salam, maybe a few other wingers make his show all but unwatchable because he can’t/won’t reign them in, but needs to pat himself on the back for bringing them on.
Seems to me back at the height of the Iraq War, someone got hold of a memo from one of the Wingut Welfare outfits advising them to follow Coulter’s example: Keep talking, interrupt, never raise your voice, which usually make the their opponents start shouting and sounding a little nuts.
Kropadope
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: It’s illegal to intimidate voters, not illegal immigrant multi-dead-voter impersonators. C’mon, you should know better.
PIGL
@adorable trnc: so he’s saying he’s a “Twentieth Century Man”?
Fair Economist
@magurakurin: Too much ibuprofen can cause serious trouble. I got a groin pull inline skating many years ago and was taking ibuprofen at twice the recommended dose (still less than you mention). I developed some kind of ulcer, based on symptoms, although the doctors couldn’t diagnose it, and I had gastrointestinal distress for 10 years (not going to go into the symptoms; it was gross).
Another friend of mine was taking similar doses for bodybuilding injuries and passed out in a Target store from a GI bleed. High doses of ibuprofen are dangerous.
Lizzy L
@magurakurin:
@Betty Cracker: I strongly, strongly recommend that you not load up on ibuprofen. I did that once for a week-long athletic event, and ended up developing a serious allergy to ibuprofen AND aspirin. (Like, my throat closed when I took it. Bad.) Which meant that when I needed to go on a blood thinner because I had had a mild heart attack, I had to take prescription Plavix. About two years, when I spent some time in ICU, they took advantage of being in ICU to desensitize me to ibuprofen/aspirin, and I now take 81 mg coated aspirin daily. But taking way too much ibuprofen can have all sorts of bad effects. DON’T do it.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: We have got to figure out a way to protect good people from this type of intimidation.
Lyrebird
@NotMax: Thanks, I really enjoyed reading that. Prof. Loomis and his guest poster over at LGM were saying iiuc that this chorus of athletes criticizing Trump is not enough. Maybe so, but I’m still pretty ready to stand up and cheer for Horsey… If even Dinesh d’Souza is getting it that us wacky liberals are all fired up about consent, and that tons and tons of manly men (many of them quite liberal-phobic) are not just echoing but delivering this point, THANK WHATEVER PASTA-SERVING DEITY YOU CAN NAME!
Okay okay I will stop shouting, sorry…
Peale
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: and the fact that it is illegal shows just how rigged it is. When a well meaning man like that can’t harass Syrians like he wants to when those same Syrians harass him every day.
Fair Economist
Betty, you should see a physician specializing in sports injuries. That could easily be a significant tear and that will not heal properly if you just ignore it. If ibuprofen normally works for you but doesn’t touch this, that’s a strong indication of a serious problem.
japa21
@Kropadope: Even if you are not intimidating voters, unless you have credentials as a poll-watcher, it is illegal for you to even be in the voting area.
Kropadope
@japa21: I’m sure, but acknowledging such restrains my ability to be a wise-ass about the trump intimidator mindset.
JR in WV
@Gindy51:
“golden paste”
That doesn’t sound very tasty. What do you do with it>?
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Peale:
Yep. They make HIM feel nervous. Why can’t he do the same back?
debbie
@Kropadope:
Yes, and the Puritans never recovered.
japa21
@Kropadope: Heaven forbid I restrain your ability to be a wise-ass. :)
Kropadope
@debbie: I’m from MA, I’m comfortable with how far we’ve come around here and our potential to continue to progress.
ETA: We haven’t burned anyone at the stake in centuries. (I’m pretty sure?)
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Peale: I’ll note that the self-professed “legal” watcher is from a town in a county (Butler County OH) with its own Joe Arpaio, Sheriff Richard K. Jones. A yoogely popular guy who wants to deport all those who aren’t white Xians. Including, ideally, citizens. He’s nasty piece of work.
It’s not a surprise that it’s a county where the Voter Protection Team is focusing on supplying poll observers.
@japa21:
Well there’s that. I’m trying not to do so, but I fully anticipate trouble from these creepy angry bullies. To the extent that I’d planned to board our dog if Mr. Q’s trade show trip included Election Day. I’ll be a credentialed observer and I didn’t want to take a chance on not getting back to get her fed and out. I wish I were kidding.
Corner Stone
It can be intimidating to vote even without some goon looming within tic tac range. During the primary when you go through the line they ask you if you want the ballot for Republican or Democrat. I said, “excuse me?” She repeated it – ballot for, “Republican or Democrat”. I answered her, “The Democratic ballot, please. The one for candidates on the Democratic ballot, thanks.”
It was literally one of those record scratch moments where all the whites turned and looked at the table.
WereBear
Yes. Everyone should understand this.
If Dear Leader says it, it is to be obeyed. Even if one has to turn their brain into a whole bag of pretzels.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think Murphy was John McCain’s chief aide in the 2000 ‘maverick’ campaign
bemused
@Kropadope:
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Aside from Mahr, I’ve seen more skilled cable news hosts have a tough time dealing with the motor mouths, getting in a good zinger fact that takes them by surprise and shuts them up long enough for host to rebut. Joy Reid is very good at it but it’s even a struggle for her and most hosts aren’t willing to say we’re done here and cut away the motor mouth. I don’t know how this could be improved much unless the news shows stopped overloading the show with right wing nut jobs.
Mike J
@skerry:
Thanks for everything, Bernie.
Kropadope
@japa21: Don’t you want America to be great again?
@bemused:
See? They can learn from big, strong conservative daddies like Ann Coulter.
Matt McIrvin
@japa21: They can hang around just outside the perimeter, though. The saving grace is that there’s usually a crowd of people from all the campaigns hanging around there with picket signs, so it won’t go unseen.
Matt McIrvin
@Corner Stone: This is one advantage of states with closed or semi-open primaries where they keep track of party registration–if you’re a registered Democrat, the poll workers already know which ballot to hand you; you don’t have to state it publicly.
debbie
@Kropadope:
There never were any burnings, but that period was the only time Puritans ran the show. They occasionally emerge as scolds, but hopefully they’ll remain only a noisy minority, in New England or anywhere else.
Jeffro
Jesus, EJ Dionne, way to miss the point
Um, not just “no” but “hell no”. The economy is doing quite well – huge jumps in middle-class incomes, very low unemployment – under Obama. The economy is not the problem. Trump’s supporters are not there because of the economy, they’re the last gasp of white supremacy.
Perhaps most importantly: the left is not in trouble…it’s the right that is utterly destroying itself. The left’s going to be standing just fine and should look more appealing than ever.
The Dems, under Obama and Clinton, are the party of competence and sanity, at a minimum. They don’t need to do much on either equality issues or pocketbook issues beyond what they’re already doing. EJ, I think we deserve better from you.
debbie
@bemused:
I can’t remember the name of the show, but Neil Conan had an afternoon show on NPR and he kept control. I remember him telling a guest he would cut off their microphone. It worked.
Gelfling 545
@Gin & Tonic: Agatha Christie wrote a bit about people going to hear Hitler speak; that they would leave the rallies all thrilled and worked up but when asked later could never identify what he had said that thrilled them so.
bemused
@debbie:
That’s about the most effective way, like giving a time out to an obnoxious kid that won’t listen or shut up. I don’t think the news show producers would allow that to happen more than occasionally though, certainly not as often as the rightwing guests deserve, imo.
KS in MA
@WereBear: Thanks!
Ruckus
@Schlemazel:
Don’t know of a medication that isn’t harmful if too much is taken. The whole point of them is to change some process in the body, make it less painful, or cut down on swelling, or…. Ibuprofen taken in too high a dosage or too much per day especially over too long a time has serious side effects as you said. But so does acetaminophen, even though the organ affected is different. The ideal is no meds at all, but then some of us stand a much greater chance of dying a lot earlier. Modern medicine has done wonders to make our lives better and even allow some of us to live a reasonable life a lot longer but we can easily abuse how much we take and what they can do to us.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Elie
@Jeffro:
I disagree. Its not an all “we are fine” and “they are horrible” — though there is plenty of that. We have to be part of a solution that includes the other folks, somehow. Not saying it will be easy or that it might just be a certain amount of time and passing of generations to repair, but next time we may not be so lucky… No reason to think these people are going to go away and we somehow have to work to find the energy that will reach them besides hate. I can’t believe that you actually think we can just sit back and crow. They will continue to destabilize and undermine our political process. They will refuse — and have already refused to be governed. Their next candidate may be a lot more slick and sane. We were blessed in having Trump be so crazy and toxic but even then, in the earlier summer he was almost competitive in the polls.
Don’t get me wrong. The left progressives have good ideas — as far as they go. But the two political parties have not served any of us well in the way that we need to make this nation whole again. I think that was all EJ was trying to say.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Elie:
You are blaming the victim. The Democratic Party supports and pushes for the common good already. We don’t have it because Republicans are fanatically opposed to sharing. Do you think Obama didn’t offer jobs bills, improvements to the ACA, relief for rural areas, and more regulation on the rich people who screw the poor over? The Republicans declared, actually before day one, that they would do everything within their power to stop it.
EDIT – And the people voting for Trump now not only cheered, they then got angry because those Republicans didn’t stop enough.
Ruckus
@S. cerevisiae:
You made a good point about the tendon contracting. I cut my thumb once in an industrial accident and sliced the tendon, cut the artery and nerve bundle and even nicked the bone. The doc said it was extremely lucky that I only cut the tendon 80% through as otherwise it recoils up the arm and they have to slice you open from the bicep area down to the cut to reattach it. He was able to sew it all back together and I was able to retain the use of the thumb. But it was very, very close to losing that. As a bonus I did get to find out how many of the Spanish speaking ladies in the factory knew English swear words.
Those tendons are nothing to mess with.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Elie
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. That said, do you go into situations where you need to bring others along with the assertion that you are absolutely right, they are wrong, so give in? I am totally on board with how Obama tried and was shut down by people who hate governing. I get that. Absolutely. But we have to somehow bring this country back to working as a nation — unless you just want to split up? How do you propose doing that? Yelling at the “deplorables” about how good and right you are? Yes, some of these people are lost to us for good, but I don’t see just figuratively “putting up a wall” against them, do you? How do you think we should handle the aftermath of this election?
Larkspur
@Betty Cracker: Oh, good husband. I was going to suggest that you call all the invitees to the cookout and ask them to transform their own selves into a shindig task force – you provide the venue, they do all the work – but good for Mr. Cracker.
Elie
@shomi:
The dosage and timeframe he is describing should be fine for Ibuprofen and should not fuck up his kidneys if he is taking it that way on a limited basis.
Karmus
@hovercraft: Thanks for that.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Elie:
The same way we always do, by trying to do what’s best for everyone. That is the liberal way. These people are evil as shit, but we don’t divide between who we feel are deserving and who aren’t. That’s the conservative way. If we don’t succeed, if they don’t get what they need, it will be because of the Republicans – like always – and not because we didn’t offer. It has been this way, and they have fanatically fought against their own economic self-interest in favor of the interest of their ethnic/cultural supremacy. Hillary will be a president for everyone regardless, but trying to claim they have a legitimate grievance that Democrats have failed them is victim blaming. No, they not only did this to themselves, they insisted on it with spittle-flecked zeal.
Elie
Quote from the New Republic. Makes as much sense as any for why some Trump followers are so taken with him no matter what:
This I believe is the answer: unvarnished patriarchy and desire to keep brown, black and women in their place — by force if necessary.
Ruckus
@Iowa Old Lady:
You can not. You may be able to educate but it’s doubtful. I think we have seen the conservative side delude their followers for so long that no redemption is possible. But then I’ve seen heroin and meth addicts who have cleaned themselves up so maybe anything is possible. And that’s what this is, an addiction. It has gone way past being a political movement and is an addiction. There is no thought, no reasoning, just reactions that don’t make any sense.
Elie
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
You are arguing that they did it to themselves. I totally agree. The only point that I am making is that in the aftermath, throwing that in their face isn’t going to really do much. What is YOUR solution? Telling them — already having lost (hopefully by wide margins) and made more angry and filled with hate by this mad man — too bad, you did it to yourselves? Or better yet, ignore them and let them fester and continue to disrupt our lives and our ability to govern? What is your solution? Stop trying to sell me on how right we are. We have many right ideas but we are still going to have to deal with this after. You give no solution for that besides saying we are right. Ok, got it. Agree. Now what?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
That was AJ Delgado who steamrolled Chris.
Mark B
Funny video about third-party voters.
WereBear
@Elie: What CAN be done with them? Are they going to see women and non-white people as people? They have refused, for decades. We shouldn’t back down.
Stalemate.
The Lodger
@Amir Khalid: Telling the audience to register is too much like assigning homework. People who are there for entertainment don’t want homework.
(Although you can Google Randi Rhodes for an exception to that.)
Matt McIrvin
@Matt McIrvin: …I see there was one Emerson College poll in early September that had Rhode Island at just Clinton +3. Suspect it was just a weird outlier. No other poll there has agreed.
hovercraft
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
I’m more inclined to agree with your assessment. The article is in the vein of the Hillbilly Eulogy apologist that is all the rage right now. People in the cities have also seen massive disruption and upheaval, and the general changes in society have roiled all communities. The difference is that in cities we understand that we are all different and from different places so we are less likely to try to impose our values or beliefs on each other. One of the reasons people left rural anywhere regardless of state or country was to escape the confines of a community that sought to control and limit behavior.
Still it was interesting to read the authors take on the divide.
Elie
I am definitely NOT proposing that we back down from our core principles. I am not sure what can be done with them but we are going to have to manage governing this nation and providing for all the people as much as we can. I have no idea how to do it. I don’t think there is just one thing we do. Hopefully we can find a path to healing for at least a few of them. Alls I was trying to say was that throwing this back in their faces as you lost and deserve to lose is probably not going to help us either. I think that this will be a huge challenge but there is no doubt that the core racism and deep misogyny won’t go away but we can hopefully take some of the energy out of their need to act it out. Only other choice is to partition the country and let those folks build their wall and live in its confines. I don’t see that as a positive or viable choice. I think we will have to work on this really hard and it won’t be easy, I agree. I am very sobered by how much damage has been done to our political system by an ignorant mentally deranged faux leader. The Economist said that our political system has been “debased” by Trump. I agree with that. We will have to heal that somehow to go on.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
These people are going to cause problems, one of these whackadoos is going to create a serious problem. One of these days the idiots like the two who showed up outside a democratic candidates headquarters in VA yesterday armed is going to be a crazy person and they are going to encounter someone not willing to take their bullshit, and someone will get hurt.
Kropadope
@debbie: You’re right! They were more crushers. So, longer than I thought no burnings. So proud of my state.
WereBear
@Elie: The Republican party lost big in 1964, and decided to let in those they had previously marginalized, like Birchers and conspiracy theorists, then racists with the Southern Strategy, and then the Religious Right.
The Republicans gave them political power. They will have to take it away. Let them be regional parties, like the ones who flocked to Wallace rallies, and let the Republicans rebuild their party along saner lines.
When we try to help these people, they scorn us.
hovercraft
Trump is saying his butler is disputing the story of the photographers assistants account of his accosting her at Mar a Lago. That would be this butler Anthony Senecal. Do you think he’s a reliable witness.
hovercraft
@bemused:
She’s an ex so he went easy on her. Perhaps someone should ask her why she has a thing for liberal men, she dated Keith Olbermann and Maher.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He was with McCain in ’08 and this year he ran R!ght to R!se for Jeb! He has always been one of the Never Trumpers out there. In part because of how Trump savaged his man Jeb.
MomSense
@StringOnAStick:
I’m so sorry.
Elizabelle
@StringOnAStick: I hope for a peaceful passing too. Very sorry. I know it’s not unexpected, but it’s still hard.
Elizabelle
@workworkwork: Glad to hear you are on the mend. Enjoy the Justice League marathon.
Barbara
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): This is why early voting is so important in swing states with large urban areas that have been traditionally targeted for voter suppression and intimidation.
germy
I like HRC’s intention to make voter registration AUTOMATIC upon reaching the age of 18.
Barbara
@hovercraft: I read some articles by the Hillbilly Elegy author and I had the same thought you did — blue collar workers in places like Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and even New York City have all experienced industrial retrenchment. I understand that one difference in rural areas is that there tends to be one major employer, and if it leaves, there are very few alternatives, whereas bigger cities have a more diverse base. But still, this constant excuse making for self-destructive behavior grows old. The main cause of opioid addiction, for instance, is opioids and the gross negligence of the FDA and pharmaceutical manufacturers in unleashing them without adequate cautions in place — coupled with lack of access to real medical care for injuries, and lack of any treatment for substance abuse. These problems can be solved. They don’t require a complete makeover of rural America let alone the whole country.
Elie
@WereBear:
So what do we do in the meantime? How do we protect ourselves from their anger and hatred? (More a rhetorical question cause I sure don’t know). They undoubtedly chose this path but unfortunately, we have to live with it too. How do we live with it and see the effects of it in our lives? Just ignore it? Suppress it where we can? Do we make any effort at all to reach out, despite scorn or withdraw our hands because of the scorn? I want to believe in the virtue of “We” the people — but I know it may be sorely tested in the time to come.
Elie
@shomi:
Whoa! I didn’t see where he was doing it for a week. I thought he was taking that regime for a couple of days. A week is too long. Ibuprofen also lowers your blood clotting ability. That amount for that long would also increase that risk.
WereBear
@Elie: I may not share the same view as you do: this might be the Trump Fans’ last hurrah. Their candidate is going down in flames. Their other elected representatives have scorned them. They are being mocked by authorities coast to coast.
In the past, this would be a scenario for denial and withdrawal from the public sphere. “I didn’t want to play with you guys anyway!”
Evangelicals seem to be readying themselves for a flounce offstage. I hope so.
aimai
@StringOnAStick: I’m so, so, sorry Stringonastick, for you, your husband’s brother and his family, and for your husband. This is devastating. I’m 56 myself so it hits pretty close to home. I will be holding you all “in the light.”
aimai
@hovercraft: “The air of cities makes men free.” That’s a saying that goes back to medieval times reflecting the reality that serfdom tied people to the land and to their birth status in a way that didn’t exist in cities–so when serfs or peasants left the countryside and went to the cities they became a different kind of person, a free person. That is still true today–compared to some rural areas and, as you say, rural areas basically empty out of the kinds of people who have the gumption to get up and go. People emigrate away from the stagnation and the joblessness of rural areas, leaving behind people who are so attached to land, community, or family dysfunction that they can’t try to make it in a new place because they prefer the community of their birth in distress/unemployment over the chance of a better life with strangers somewhere else.
But that reality means that the people left behind in rural areas in the US are truly left behind and unleavened by new ideas or new blood or new immigrants and their most active and foreward thinking members have left.
JR in WV
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
But everything that he said he was going to do is illegal. Only voters and accredited poll workers allowed. No reporters, no cameras, no visitors, no volunteer vote guardians.
The poll workers would call a deputy,, who would come and take you away. Now, maybe that’s just WV, but here poll watchers have to stay at least 300 feet away from the door of the polling place, mostly schools, a few at community centers or churches.
Some elections a candidate will have a hot dog fest, at the nearest parking place with room for a table and coolers, free snack on your way to the poll. Oh, by the way, here’s a sample ballot, with our guys on it.
That’s legal, but going to the polls if you’re not a registered voter in the precinct. Although our polling place has two precincts, so you have to check out the poll workers to see which side of the gym is your precinct.
JR in WV
So I’m writing comments and they all disappear…
WaterGirl
@Corner Stone: Maybe Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow don’t want to get MHP’d. She had an intelligent show, large following, pissed somebody off and suddenly she’s off for a few weeks and then cancelled.
I loved the Chris Hayes show, cannot stand to watch his evening show. What a waste.
WereBear
@aimai: Very true. They can’t go back and they can’t go forward. But the evidence is that they are financially better off, by over 10k, than Clinton supporters. This isn’t an economic issue.
It’s a “status” issue.
JR in WV
@Corner Stone:
Good job! Democratic, indeed…
hovercraft
@Barbara: @Elie:
I think the first step in all of this is what Rev. Barber is doing in North Carolina, talk to each other and get everyone to understand that they are being pitted against each other while the corporations and especially the defense industry steal us blind. We all have problems no matter where we live, as Barbara said they tend to be magnified in rural areas, but the disruptions caused by globalization and automation are impacting us all. There used to be cooperation between urban and rural legislators, the Farm Bill was deliberately designed to force the two groups to work together. Combing farm subsidies with food stamps was supposed to ensure that both sides best interests were protected, yes there were bad policies that came out of this, but still overall both groups protected their constituencies. Since the Tea Party takeover there has been a relentless drive to reduce benefits that are perceived to benefit urban voters (not true, most people on food stamps are white), without reducing farm subsidies which affect rural voters. Stopping efforts like these would help to unite rural and urban tension, if rural voters understand that when they cut food stamps, you are reducing the market for your produce, and likewise reducing farm subsidies can cause the prices of commodities to rise and could reduce the buying power of the food stamps they use.
I guess stop vilifying each other, I like to visit the great wide open rural areas of America, and they like to visit the cities. Most of us would not want to trade places, but we should all appreciate that someone else is willing to live where we would never want to.
sukabi
@Betty Cracker: good for Mr. Cracker…if you can’t stand on your foot normally, you have no business running around on it.
Take care Betty, enjoy your ‘break’ and hubby taking care of you.
WaterGirl
@Lahke: Not sure about the other people, but the tumeric I was talking about is a pill I get at the health food store. The brand I took was called Curamin.
waysel
@Elie: Great questions, Elie. I would like to hear someone like Adam Silverman weigh in with an FP posting. Shorter for me, I think part of it is a species thing that will never go away, i.e. there’s only so civilized humanity is capable of. A big chunk we may be able to impact is the MSM, via outspoken advertisers’ boycotts. Rushbo has done untold damage to civilization over the years, but a grass roots movement has nearly taken him down. Of course, I’m too damn lazy and complacent to start said movement, but I’d do my part if such a thing got rolling. I wonder too if instant social media spreads hate,ignorance and propaganda so easily and efficiently, maybe it too does more harm than good.
sukabi
@Schlemazel: hmmmm, if that’s what you call evolution, I think you’re doin’ it wrong… more like devolution, but without the class.
sukabi
@Lahke: you can take capsules, or mix the powder (I’ve gotten some in the past from the bulk spices at Fred Meyer, less expensive and seems to work as well for me anyway) in food or drink… capsules if you don’t like the taste.
hovercraft
Snorty Mc Snort face wants then both to take a drug test before the debate. She was all revved up at the beginning of the debate, and by the end she could barely make it to her car. I know that everything he says is basically projection, but seriously does he want Howard Dean to come back out and talk about the sniffing. After Dean’s tweet no one outside the late night talk shows is talking about his sniffles, so why bring it up, he knows that’s only going to make it a thing. Is he trying to anticipate SNL, and head them off at the curve?
JR in WV
@Matt McIrvin:
300 foot range of neutrality in WV… Only register voters and certified poll workers allowed within that 200 yard circle. No reporters, no cameras allowed at all. They can call a Deputy Sheriff to take you away.
We’ve had real voter fraud here. When pols plead guilty here, they have to put in the plea agreement that they will never run for elective office again. Doesn’t keep them from getting hired by the in-law at the school board, though.
sukabi
@Amir Khalid: some super pac was running ads targeting drumpf voters to get them to “call this number and we’ll get you registered to vote.”
Poorly done, looked like a scammers attempt to collect personal info…don’t think it will be effective. So sad. :-)
sukabi
@JordanRules: I think even drumpf knows that attacking FLOTUS would be the death knell of him. Not just his shitty campaign, but him and his shitty ‘brand’.
She is too well loved by EVERYONE.
sukabi
@Mandalay: how the hell do you get a gigantic payout after violating your contract (morals clause)?
Unless you’ll spill the beans on higher ups that have their own moral issues….
JR in WV
@aimai:
A good friend has lived all over the country, including in Alaska, working at remote sites. Worked in Texas, Oklahoma, all over North Carolina, EE degree and BS Computer Science, so very employable. Highly educated liberal.
His sister stayed home, very rural place, became disabled, lives on her disability payments (ie, government money) almost exclusively. Strong Republican, doesn’t trust government (which provides her livelihood) at all.
Is the reason she stayed home in a rural location with no urban provisions, like doctors, counselors, etc. because she is conservative? Or did living in a lonely rural sparsely populated area make her conservative?
Quite a question.
Joel
@Schlemazel: Asprin targets the same enzymes (cyclooxygenase -1 and -2) that the NSAIDs do; the difference is that aspirin covalently modifies those enzymes, permanently disabling them. Pretty much all of the risks with NSAIDs are increased with asprin. However, an ancillary benefit of covalent modification is that platelets require cox-2 to aggregate and form clots. Since platelets cant produce new proteins, asprin prevents clotting in the bloodstream.
Tylenon/acetominophen is not an NSAID although it was designed as one. The liver risks associated with tylenol don’t carry over.
Mark B
@JR in WV: I had the same issue yesterday, I even sent email to Cole asking if I had been banned. A few hours later, I was suddenly able to post again. I’m not sure what actually happened.
Mark B
@StringOnAStick: I’m so sorry. Words are inadequate at times like this, but I just wish you and your loved ones the best possible outcome and the strength to make it through the hard times. Life sucks sometimes.
Joel
@hovercraft: Wong is wrong if he thinks the economic meltdown is what started the urban/rural divide. Politically, those counties aren’t any redder than they used to be. And the cultural divide is at least as old as Main Street , which is now 100 years old. Honestly, it’s as old as civilization.