Tumbling Don


Trump is currently losing his shit, appropriately enough, in Florida, where much of the nation’s meteoric crazy comes to flame out after the roads end at the water’s edge:

Donald Trump blasted House Speaker Paul Ryan and other Republicans on Wednesday, suggesting that they’ve turned their backs on the GOP nominee because “there’s a whole sinister deal going on” behind his back.

At a rally in Ocala, Florida, Trump warned supporters “this is the last time you’ll ever have a chance to save our country.”

“It’s not gonna happen anymore. You won’t be able — the numbers will be too great. Already, the Republican nominee has a massive — a massive disadvantage, and especially when you have the leaders not putting their weight behind the people,” Trump said. “They’re not putting their weight behind the people.”

“Instead of calling me and saying, ‘Congratulations, you did a great job, you absolutely destroyed her in the debate like everybody said,’” Trump began, trailing off to boast about how Pat Buchanan called his performance against Hillary Clinton during Sunday’s debate “the single greatest debate performance in the history of presidential politics.”

“So wouldn’t you think that Paul Ryan would call and say, ‘Good going?’ In front of just about the largest for a second-night debate in the history of the country,” Trump said. “So, you know, you’d think that they’d say: ‘Great going, Don. Let’s go. Let’s beat this crook. She’s a crook. Let’s beat her. We gotta stop it.’”

But Ryan doesn’t do that, Trump lamented, floating a conspiracy about a backroom deal. “There’s a whole deal going on there,” he said. “I mean, you know, there’s a whole deal going on. We’re gonna figure it out. I always figure things out. But there’s a whole sinister deal going on.”

Crickets from his fellow Republicans so far. Valued commenter Jeffro:

Hey Paul and Mitch and Reince: if you don’t mind, we’d kind of like to avoid Der Trumpster taking the whole democracy down with him…could we at least get a joint statement attesting to the legitimacy of our elections and the legitimacy of whomever is elected President? Thank you.

Yeah, what he said.

When I think about Al Gore offering his concession after a Republican-loaded Supreme Court handed the presidency to a past president’s wastrel son based on highly questionable vote totals compiled in a state governed by said wastrel’s brother, I could weep with admiration at the patriotism on display — not phony slap-a-yellow-ribbon-magnet-on-your-SUV patriotism, genuine fucking love of country, respect for its institutions and care for its people.

Sack up, Ryan, McConnell and Priebus; it’s time to kneecap your own goddamned strongman before he slays you — and takes the rest of us down as collateral damage.

ETA: Oh figgity fuck — I’ve bigfooted a fundraiser, which is like drunkenly stomping on a Make-a-Wish kid’s sandcastle. $10 from Slytherin into the ActBlue pot! Dig deeply, fellow sorcerers!

[H/T — valued commenter AMK]

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    Yeah, the reporters’ tweets about his crazy speech are… troubling. He’s out of control.

    ETA: the new fundraising tool is the 538 electoral map showing if only men voted, and #repealthe19th is the related hashtag. White people holding up signs that say “Blacks for Trump” behind him. It’s Roger Stone’s party now.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    I think Pat Buchanan’s endorsement is going to net Little Gloves all of the demented racist voters out there who have been still on the fence.

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    BR says:

    There’s actually a lot of value in Ryan and McConnell waiting until after the election to say “Clinton won fair and square”. If they say it now, it’ll just feed the doubts of the Trumpers. They won’t all agree even after the election, but probably half of them will listen to GOP leadership if everyone dumps on Trump — a good number of them will eventually turn on Trump as a “loser”.

    But we need to run up the score — make the popular vote margin big enough to erase all possible doubts. Click here to volunteer.

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    ChrisGrrr says:

    I’m glad you picked up Jeffro’s comment. If only…


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    germy says:

    ALBANY — A man professing support for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump hurled a racial slur at a woman Monday night outside a grocery store, authorities said.

    Todd M. Warnken, 55, of Albany, faces one count of aggravated harassment based on race, a misdemeanor.

    Warnken is accused of yelling at the woman as grocery store security escorted him from the store.

    “Trump is going to win, and if you don’t like it, then I’m gonna beat your ass you (racial slur),” Warnken said, according to papers filed in court.

    The woman told police Warnken then repeated his threat as security continued to escort him from the store, saying, “I’m going to beat your ass up you (racial slur),” according to court papers.

    The incident happened outside the Shop Rite on Central Avenue at about 8:20 p.m., police said.

    The woman told police she was outside waiting for a taxi when Shop Rite security escorted Warnken from the store. Paperwork does not indicate the reason security removed him.

    She told police Warnken’s actions made her feel annoyed, alarmed and threatened, according to the court document.

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    Brachiator says:

    Elizabeth Drew has a long (very long) piece in the New York Review of Books, Trump at War. It frames the 2016 election by looking at the two weeks between the presidential debates, and the tremendously negative shift in fortunes for the Trump campaign.

    It is clear now that Trump is the Tricky Dick Nixon of our times. He has all of Nixon’s neuroses, and twice the rage. He is inspiring mythic and literary comparisons. Back then, we had Nixon Agonistes. There have been easy, and incomplete comparisons of Trump to Frankenstein’s Monster, but more recently, a Times article, Trump Unbound, pointed more accurately to the inspiration for Mary Shelley’s monster, Prometheus.

    Or perhaps Trump is Achilles, but with twice that hero’s vulnerability. And instead of sulking in his tent when insulted by the Greek commanders, Trump stays up late at night and sends out tweets to express his rage.

    But unlike Nixon, Trump is a staggeringly inept politician. His brief career as a presidential hopeful is sustained entirely by the hopes and rage of his supporters, his Trumpian Myrmidons (to ransack Greek myth again). And Trump has leverage over the GOP leadership largely because they fear an overwhelming defeat without a good turnout from the Donald’s base.

    Trump is also killing the myth that you need to run the country like a business, and that you need a successful businessman to be commander in chief. There have been chamber of commerce types in political leadership before, and the Republicans previously tried to push the Mittbot 2000 as an example of a politician with businessman skills. But Trump is so totally ignorant of how government operates that nobody rational would believe that he would be able to ask the right questions or even function as a minimally competent hands –off executive type leader.

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    Peale says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Sure, NOW cable news stops carrying his rallies.

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    Aimai says:

    @BR: but they arent going to say it then either.

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    Fair Economist says:


    Trump is also killing the myth that you need to run the country like a business, and that you need a successful businessman to be commander in chief

    That myth shouldn’t need killing. Who was the last businessman to be President?

    Herbert Hoover

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    @amk: “Allowed”? By whom?

    OT but a colleague just told me that at ISU there’s a satellite early voting station set up in the student union. I hope students get in there and vote. As a small bonus, when our districts were redrawn last time, they had to scoop down and include Ames in Steve King’s district in order to give him a big enough population, since his part of the state is so rural. Maybe they’ll vote him out. It could happen. Yes, it could!

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    kindness says:

    Trump is the gift no one wanted that keeps giving. Damn.

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    jl says:


    ” Trump is also killing the myth that you need to run the country like a business, ”

    Yeah, sure, but have we ever tried to run it like a Trump business? Worked for him. Classiest biggest deluxe mansions and penthouses, small private air service to ferry him around, can physically assault hot chicks with no consequences.

    Edit, and apparently cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger and fries on demand. Dude, like he’s rich enough to have his own bottomless burger bin. Woah!

    Seriously, though, I can’t help note Trump’s almost explicit appeals to white bigot demographic fears in the quote at the top of the post. What a dangerous and toxic idiot.

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    amk says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: some one. any one. do something. #bitter

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    @amk: Also, have presidential candidates always said used “the hell” in their big speeches or is that new? Is that now considered kid safe, etc? I guess it’s on prime time TV, but I think of politicians as keeping their public addresses squeaky clean.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @BR: I hadn’t considered it from that angle, but I still think it’s dangerous as hell to allow Trump to go on undercutting the idea of a fair election for the next few weeks without any pushback. The GOP leadership needn’t say Hillary will win fair and square, but they should say that we’re capable of holding a fair election and that the winner — whomever that may be — will have won fair and square. As far as volunteering and donating until it hurts to enable a landslide — couldn’t agree with you more there! And I salute you for posting your frequent reminders.

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    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    the new fundraising tool is the 538 electoral map showing if only men voted, and #repealthe19th is the related hashtag.

    If you can’t win an election, disenfranchise any group that tends to disagree with you. This kind of thinking shows the deplorables’ deep regard for the principles of democracy.

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    scav says:

    I’m beginning to think all real alpha men do in locker rooms is whine about how she stood in front of them! and he did it first! and why isn’t someone feeding them all the information and how all data lies, they really aced all their performance reviews and why won’t the people at the water cooler gossip about all the other terrible people. CEO of the Millennia behavior being given out for free. Is he going to turn around after the election and expect every single one of us to pay for the education he just provided?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    I never watch cable news but I’m forced to hear CNN as I sit in an airport (Newark, baby!) and all I hear is right wing operatives telling lie after lie about Hillary with only occasional and mild pushback from the hosts.

    Question for our posters who watch this stuff: what the hell?

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    tobie says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Who was the last businessman to be President?

    Herbert Hoover

    Add to that the one and only MBA President, G. W. Bush. He all but managed to run the economy into the ditch.

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    gogol's wife says:


    NOW, now I agree with those who say he’s about to stroke out. Look at that face! It’s like an angry pumpkin that’s been pumped full of grain alcohol.

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    dmsilev says:

    So, what you’re saying is that Donald Trump is the embodiment of Florida Man.

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    Calouste says:

    So the Wannabe Sex Offender boasts about a comment from Nazi-apologist Pat Buchanan. Can’t say I’m surprised.

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    Mary G says:

    Yeah, when Mike Pence’s the only one shutting down talk of revolution, you know we’re in for a bumpy ride this year.

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    bemused says:

    Oh cripes. Fine with me if he has a complete psychotic meltdown but not until Nov 9. Then they can cart him away to a secure facility with no outside contacts and they take away his social media.

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    Mai.naem.mobile says:

    I watched Lawrence ODonnells piece on Trump’s snorting and Im wondering if Trump has a small packet of something along his upper gumline like how people have chewing packet along their cheek. My other thought was syphilitic dementia(considering that he says he been a playboy) but that has other symptoms. He’s just soooo weirdly crazy. Absolutely no filter.

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    Juju says:

    @Fair Economist: I thought it was W.

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    jl says:


    ” all real alpha men do in locker rooms ”

    One of use BJ males has to figure out a way to get into one the special ‘real alpha men locker rooms’. That is scary shit, and the piles of dead and dying bodies outside, and roaming tactical total-destruction security teams armed with lasers and pocket nuke grenades makes it very dangerous..

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    catclub says:

    @amk: Whining is always popular. Great for winning over the undecided.

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    Hillary Rettig says:

    super impressed with the illustration, Betty! You’re growing as an artist! :-)

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    germy says:

    @Mary G:

    Yeah, when Mike Pence’s the only one shutting down talk of revolution, you know we’re in for a bumpy ride this year.

    I thought his reaction was more like “Shh! Don’t give away our plans!”

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    Mike J says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Matthew Isbell @mcimaps
    Today marks the anniversary of the 19th amendment. It’s final vote in the US House had some clear regional splits


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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    They will do no such thing.

    They’re base cowards. People fleeing before the Armies of Napoleon showed more courage, at least they were fleeing in the cold.

    “We must flee. F-L-E-A, flee.” – Boris Greshenko.

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    bystander says:

    @gogol’s wife: I still want to know why Trump was snuffling like a cokehead. And Samantha Bee is right: he’s blimped in the past few weeks.

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    jl says:


    ‘ Fine with me if he has a complete psychotic meltdown ‘

    Last I heard he was just accusing Ryan and HRC of secretly conspiring to defeat him, and trigger screaming hordes of inter-galactic space demons to invade the earth and bring on the Satanic reign of destruction and drag us all the the bowels of Hell. Where you getting this ‘psycho’ talk?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Fair Economist:

    That myth shouldn’t need killing. Who was the last businessman to be President?

    From an article on History shows businessmen make bad presidents:

    For post-19th century presidents, the highest ranked are the Roosevelts, Truman, and Eisenhower. The lowest ranked are Hoover, Coolidge, George W. Bush and Harding. Harding was very successful in business but is consistently rated as one of the worst presidents, so one of the most successful businessmen was a conspicuous failure as president.

    The majority of U.S. presidents have been lawyers or career politicians, 21 were both. There were eight generals, some engineers and professors, an actor, and a smattering from other professions. The unquestionably successful businessmen were Andrew Johnson (tailor), Harding (newspaperman), Hoover (mining), Jimmy Carter (farmer), and George H.W. Bush (oilman). Truman, who did so poorly in business he sought public sector employment to make ends meet, became a great president.

    Early on there was a kind of loose conventional wisdom that military men made good presidents. In our era, conservatives want to insist that businessmen should get the nod. Dopes sneer and ask how many jobs did Hillary create, how many employee paychecks did she sign?

    Even Carly Fiorina was looked on approvingly, despite her spectacular failures in business. So this myth is hard to put aside. Democrats and Republicans flirt with the idea of an outsider, and this is also a big selling point for Trump among his supporters. And Sanders, of course, is viewed as an outsider because he is not formally a member of the Democratic Party.

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    germy says:

    @Mike J: Did you see some of the comments under the map? One person said “It was a bunch of southern democrats that opposed it – not conservatives!”

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    scav says:

    @jl: We may have just found a legitimate use for drones (technological or even apiary-based although I think HRetting would object to the latter). Maybe grab a few trolls for reconnaissance and clearing the minefield?

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    trollhattan says:

    Donald Trump, at last having shed his shackles, is now acting out a Tarantino film in real time.

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    jl says:

    @catclub: Trump does the best whining, the classiest, most genius whining. Only the best top whining from the Trump campaign. If you can’t see that then you are a loser and a dummy.

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    catclub says:

    @Hillary Rettig: I like how she got a little plastic football where his mouth goes.

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    trollhattan says:

    Yup. Dubya–failed full-time bidnezman, failed part-time governor.

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    Feebog says:

    He really is out of control. Why is Obama campaigning for Hillary? Bhahahaha. Because you are a stone cold racist without a soul. Have another glass of whine.

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    bemused says:


    He’s getting more off the wall every day, imo. amirite? I just don’t want him to completely flip out or physically collapse just yet.

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    JMG says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I really don’t understand why airports broadcast as their sole choice a network with a ghoulish fascination for airplane accidents from around the globe. Seems like poor marketing to me.

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    catclub says:


    George H.W. Bush (oilman).

    oilman, right. nevermind congressman 20 years before he was president, Head of CIA, head of RNC??

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    piratedan says:

    @Mai.naem.mobile: while coke is indeed a possibility… my thought is that he’s got a nasal spray addiction. My brother had one, any nasal irritation and he would be shooting that stuff up his nostrils. Ended up having to go to a daily decongestant. Same constant sniffling and snorting though, perpetually congested until put on a daily med.

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    Holy cow. This ad shows why Trump doesn’t want Obama campaigning for Clinton. I love this man. He’s so inspiring. I am a little teary watching this.

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    Brachiator says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    ETA: the new fundraising tool is the 538 electoral map showing if only men voted

    The fun counter to that is a 538 map if only women voted. Election Update: Women Are Defeating Donald Trump

    If only women voted, Clinton would win 458 electoral votes to just 80 for Trump

    I remember some obnoxious maps earlier showing the results if only men voted, or if only whites voted. But in a more open America, women and nonwhites may spank Trump’s ass.

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    BC in Illinois says:

    Susan Page (of USA Today and the Diane Rehm ShowI) said this today about Donald Trump:

    He has turned to a scorched-Earth strategy… trying to make it as difficult as possible for a President Clinton to govern.

    What do you do when someone is trying to tear things down? You work to make sure that people are safe.

    What do you do when they’re trying to make it impossible for us to work together to govern ourselves? You work to get out the message that we’re all in this together; that we’re stronger together; that we’re pledged to be/become one nation, indivisible . . . and then you all pull together.

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    waysel says:

    Betty Cracker, you have outdone yourself with that illustration, and that’s saying a lot.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Fair Economist: There was a guy more recent, a CEO-Prezident; remember him?

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    Keith P. says:

    Omg Kellyanne Conway is giving her worst interview yet on CNN. Painfully bad, like an 11 on the Mook scale.

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    Elizabelle says:

    John Stumpf stepping down at Wells Fargo.

    And CNN anchor is going after Kellyanne “Smear Hillary” Conway full bore. Segment’s run at least 15 minutes by now.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: That’s the best political ad I ever saw.

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    scav says:

    So close, but still satisfying a bit: Wells Fargo boss John Stumpf steps down. Still expect to be disappointed over further consequences.

    All hail @Elizabelle for Speed!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Keith P.: I’m thinking of the money she’s making for appearing. KaChing, KaChing. From the Mercers. Kellyanne don’t take no promissory note from the “intelligent … Mr. Trump”. (Forget how else she described him. Gracious??)

    I fled the interview early on, then amazed to see she was still on.

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    catclub says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: only a little? That was amazing.

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:


    I can see a point where even the Trumpettes get him to medical/psychological help

    You mean give him a little hand?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    The GOP leadership needn’t say Hillary will win fair and square, but they should say that we’re capable of holding a fair election and that the winner — whomever that may be — will have won fair and square.

    B Crack, you know they can never do any such thing. If they did, they would never win another election. Their entire basis for election victory is voter suppression using voter fraud as the vehicle. If they backed off, even a little, and said these outcomes are square – that’s it. Game’s over man, game over.
    It’s one of the three pillars of their plan for success:
    1. Democrats will give your money to blacks and browns
    3. Voter fraud is a real thing and it continues to plague our nation

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    Elizabelle says:

    Ah. And Kellyanne’s marathon was followed by that “Hillary has no stamina” advertisement.

    At the end, this message appears:

    “Donald Trump will protect you. He’s the only person who can.” Maybe it’s in first person. But. It’s there.


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    @scav: Mr IOL subscribes to Wired. I’ll have to take a look.

    He complains about tiny white type on gray backgrounds, etc, but the content is always interesting.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    @Mary G:

    Mike Pence’s the only one shutting down talk of revolution

    I didn’t see any “shutting down” — only a request that his supporters keep their voices down in front of the journalists. “Ix-nay on the evolution-ray, people!”

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Roger Moore: Preventing women from voting would mean that the millions of White women who vote Republicans would be prevented from voting. Sounds like a silly proposition for any Republican to be advocating. But I guess misogynists aren’t all that bright.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Wow. Powerful. Perfect.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @BC in Illinois: “Stronger Together”, I’ve heard that somewhere.

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    Walker says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I HATE Airport news. This is an incredible anachronism. It is so loud there is no way you can avoid it without hiding in a remote corner and putting on headphones. At least in a bar you can get them turn it down.

    Unfortunately, I think Airports are paid to carry this crap so it is never going away.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Time to wear earplugs or headphones. It’s so nauseating to hear lies endlessly repeated without any pushback but that is our “liberal” media for you.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Elizabelle: “He is the only one who can.”
    Pure strongman, pure dictator.

    Well, wanna-be, anyway.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @germy: But but but don’t you dare call him deplorable.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Holy cow is right. He’s still got it. I’m gonna miss him so much.

    I keep hoping he will make voting rights his thing for his next year in Washington. It makes perfect sense to me. It’s not partisan (shouldn’t be, anyway) and it’s his best chance to make an impact in time for the 2018 midterms.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Corner Stone: Truly. All that was missing was the bananas.

    Looked like a fake ad from Idiocracy.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Albany, NY? Albany, GA? Source?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: What do we need protecting from except a racist, sexist, xenophobic madman who is wholly unqualified to be President? Secretary Clinton needs to make a responsive ad to that ad.

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    gogol's wife says:



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    Keith P. says:

    @Elizabelle: 15 minutes?!? I only caught the last 5. It was excruciating. Can’t imagine what Brianna Keilar felt afterwards, being there for all of it

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    Msb says:

    The diaper is a nice touch.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @gogol’s wife: with dumber dialogue.

    And no bromance.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @BC in Illinois:

    and then you all pull together.

    I doubt Trump supporters are going to pull together with those of us who will vote for Secretary Clinton. Not going to happen. If somehow Republicans hold onto the Senate and/or House, they are going to make it as hard as possible for President Hillary Clinton to get much done. There is no pulling together with Deplorables.

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    germy says:

    No more debates?

    Candace SmithVerified account

    Trump on the Commission for Presidential Debates: “I have no respect for that group by the way, I’m done.”

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    WaterGirl says:

    From Steve Benen’s Mini-Report today:

    Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf “is retiring as chairman and CEO of the bank, effective immediately, Dow Jones reported on Wednesday citing a source.”

    Isn’t that the guy Elizabeth Warren grilled recently in the senate hearing?

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    hueyplong says:

    We should never again complain about how long our presidential selection process is. It’s only now, at the end of a very long road, that Trump is revealing himself as the less attractive alternative to Stillson in The Dead Zone.

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    jl says:

    Wonder if busted out like a watermelon dropped from five story window onto the sidewalk type hypocrisy and misogyny and retrograde patriarchal tribalism of the fundie preachers will do lasting harm to political Xtianism in some parts of the country. My guess is that it won’t do much overall, since too many of the followers will agree. But in some special populations, like Mormons, or in some places like SC and GA, for different reasons, might produce a marginal shift. And in elections, every marginal shift is helpful.

    Right-wing pastor gives up the game: It’s better for a president to grab a vagina than to have

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    Mike in dc says:

    Keep in mind the terms “seditious conspiracy” and “incitement to riot”. They will come in handy on November 9th, when Hair Furor starts running his mouth about a rigged election.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @germy: So ‘Little Hands” is afraid of a girl?

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    germy says:

    @WaterGirl: Yes, the guy with the bandaged right hand (probably from punching a wall when he learned he had to face Elizabeth Warren).

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @WaterGirl: Yes.

    ETA: Beat out by germy by ‘that much’. (Shakes fist)

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    Just got back from early voting. Very brisk at the BOE. Nothing except Hillary people working outside the polls. No Trump people, not even the little old ladies who the Republican Part sends out to hand out voter guides. Which is unusual to say the least. Back in 2004, when I worked with local democrats to hand out voter guides, both parties had people out handing out voter guides all day for both primaries and the general. But this time, just Democrats.

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    germy says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I thought he’d be anxious for the 3rd debate. A fox newsperson as moderator. Chris Wallace. Is he part of the liberal conspiracy?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mike J:

    Hm. That puts some of the racist remarks of the suffragettes about how shameful it was that immigrant and black men could vote while white women couldn’t into perspective. Looks like they knew their audience and who they were trying (unsuccessfully) to win over.

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    Bnad says:

    How do you keep 10,000 hardcore armed Trump supporters from overrunning DC security forces on January 20th?

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Elizabelle: @Corner Stone: And what has Donald Fucking Trump ever fixed, solved, or saved? The whole thing is based on nothing. At least with someone like Pinochet or Peron or Qaddafi there was a military career to mine for iconography. Trump has done nothing of the sort. His talent is for self-promotion. How does self-promotion become helping other people or the the nation? Just who the fuck does he think he is, and why would anyone believe him?

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    Mary G says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Wow. I think I’ll play that every day to keep myself FIRED UP AND READY TO GO.

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    scav says:

    @Bnad: Take away their snacks?

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:


    I don’t find it entertaining anymore. You know, I’m one of the few here who actually find you amusing. You’re harmless and quirky. Trump is actually capable of creating lasting damage. I think in order to manage the next 28 days, it might be helpful to think of the worst things that could happen if he loses then doesn’t concede for instance, in order to deny Clinton her moment, or organizes a mob. Anything is truly possible with this psycho and Republicans and the media aren’t up to dealing with it .

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    debbie says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    The pollen flew into my sinuses watching this. I’m thinking seriously about voting early, before Trump totally detonates and before Putin can do anything about it.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Bnad: Those Hoverrounds run out of juice pretty quickly.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Bnad: “Practice.”

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @scav: Send em a 55 gallon drum of lube.

    ETA: And lots of dildos.

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    BR says:


    No longer at SFO — it’s actually pleasantly quiet and calm in the airport lounge.

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    Cacti says:


    How do you keep 10,000 hardcore armed Trump supporters from overrunning DC security forces on January 20th?

    White phosphorus?

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    Hungry Joe says:

    Trump’s inevitable “I was robbed! It was rigged!” shriek/lament will mean next to nothing. Enough people are on to him now, and what are his die-hard supporters going to do — wreck the comity in the House and Senate? Already done and done. What else are they going to do — take to the streets brandishing their man-guns, calling for a Second Amendment solution? Their neighbors will just look up from watering their lawns and tell them to go get a beer and watch the game, fer crissake. The very thought of it reminds me of an anti-war riot I was a part of (in a non-violent/non-rock-throwing capacity) in Berkeley in ’70 or ’71. Tear gas, yelling, chaos, running from cops, store windows boarded up, etc. Some idiots were yelling, “The Revolution’s here! Everything is coming down!” I wandered away, about a dozen blocks south on Telegraph … and all the stores were open, ordinary people going about their business. I realized what a bubble (though I didn’t know the term) those “revolutionaries” were in.

    Okay, after Hilz wins, a couple or three loons might do something horribly violent, but more people in their states will die in traffic accidents that day. Which doesn’t make it good, but it’s well short of Ft. Sumter.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Bnad: I have one suggestion. Here’s a hint: it’s battery operated.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Bnad: I call shenanigans. Trolling…

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    Baud says:

    Man, the home stretch is going to be intense.

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    jl says:

    Cracker’s pic reminds me I have to back and reread the story of Tantrum and de Liahs.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Vote early. It lets the GOTV folks mark you off the list and focus on others.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Fuck tamping down the revolution. They can grab all ten of their guns apiece, pick up the racist cops on the way to DC for their last stand, they go to jail or get shot dead, and then we can have a functioning country again.

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    hueyplong says:

    @debbie: I watched it a second time and it was better than the first time. I’ll be first in line at my precinct on Oct. 20.

    Bias disclosure: Nothing appeals to me more than the concept of voting for a third Obama term.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Chyron HR: I think it’s called the Flypaper Theory.

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    Corner Stone says:

    How much of a craven coward do you have to be to exist in the skin sack of Sen John Thune?

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    Cacti says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Fuck tamping down the revolution. They can grab all ten of their guns apiece, pick up the racist cops on the way to DC for their last stand, they go to jail or get shot dead, and then we can have a functioning country again.

    Give them the William T. Sherman treatment.

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    @hueyplong: You have to watch it more than once to see all of the pics that fly past in the quick montage at the end. It is awesome.

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    Barbara says:

    For those still inclined to dismiss Trump’s threat to prosecute Clinton, he just said again in his Lakeland speech that “she has to go to jail.” For deleting emails.

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    TS says:

    And one of the comments on the politico link

    “The Secret Service just let it slip that Trump’s code name is Samsung Notebook”

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    Corner Stone says:

    @FlipYrWhig: “I, alone, can fix it.”
    Exercises in comma placement, Part 1.

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    @Barbara: This isn’t even verdict first, evidence afterwards. It’s sentencing first.

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    jl says:


    ” Vote early. It lets the GOTV folks mark you off the list and focus on others. ”

    I dunno. I’m still working through my stages of grief over the Baud! 2016! campaign.

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    Ceci n'est pas mon nym says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Wow.

    Hell, yes, Mr. President, I want to give you a good sendoff!

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    debbie says:


    Early voting started today. I was just looking up the hours. You don’t need ID to vote at the BOE like you do on Election Day. Seems odd.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @jl: Damn. That would have been a better title!

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    Baud says:

    @jl: How do you think I feel. That Obama ad was supposed to be for ME!

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    Karen says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: I’m clinging to Obama as long as I can.

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    amk says:

    @Barbara: the turd is losing his mind as well as his base. the internal polls must truly suck.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    @debbie: Seems odd, but early voting tends to get a lot of people who have been on the rolls for a while as well. When I went to vote, I just needed to have the last 4 numbers of my social and my birth date to vote. I was looked up in the computer, got my ballot, and went to any available booth.

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    lgerard says:


    my thought is that he’s got a nasal spray addiction.


    I know someone like this as well

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:


    Vote early and vote often.

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    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    @Hungry Joe: Yup, this. Won’t stop the panic addicted from panicking but what can you do?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    That is an unspoken factor, frankly: a lot of fundie and evangelical churches heavily teach the whole women are not allowed to be leaders over men interpretation of Paul’s letters. For those people, having a woman president is basically against God’s will and cannot be permitted, so it doesn’t matter how bad Trump is, he has to be president.

    Fortunately, those people are small in number, but they do exist.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:


    I’m still working through my stages of grief over the Baud! 2016! campaign.

    I am as well. Sad.

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    @debbie: Those witch trials scare the wits out of me.

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    Ceci n'est pas mon nym says:

    “the single greatest debate performance in the history of presidential politics.”

    Aside from the ridiculous hyperbole there, should somebody point out to Mr. Buchanan that he just insulted Saint Ronald? And Abraham Lincoln? (from the so-called “Party of Lincoln”)

    What is wrong with these people? Why can’t we settle for “he did great” (in obvious contradiction to the objective reality), why does it have to be “the greatest debate in history?” Why can’t he just claim he’s healthy (in obvious contradiction to the objective reality) instead of saying that he’s the healthiest person in the history of health or people?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Disconnect the batteries on their Hoverrounds.

    We all watched the Malheur occupation in real time. These guys can’t organize their way out of a paper bag. They went on a camping trip and forgot to bring food, FFS.

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    Chris says:


    “It was a bunch of southern democrats that opposed it – not conservatives!”

    “Also, fuck those liberals for disrespecting the sacred heritage of the Confederate flag!”

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    debbie says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    And it was all created by a bunch of bratty teenaged girls with nothing better to do.

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    piratedan says:

    for those that enjoy that kind of thing, per 538, AZ is now ever so slightly blue… yes… Arizona… blue, a very pale blue, but blue.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    A little teary? I’m blubbering like a baby.

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    Baud says:

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym: When you go to the game, you wear a foam finger that says “we’re number 1!” Not one that says, “we are ok.”

    Trump speaks only to the lizard brain.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: How’s your cold doing? Mine’s pretty much run it’s course, I found hot tea with honey worked best…and drugs.

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    Ceci n'est pas mon nym says:

    @piratedan: Ooh, wouldn’t it be a nice election day present to Sheriff Joe to see his state vote Hillary and at the same time go to jail on those contempt charges?

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    NotMax says:


    Three airports during the last annual jaunt, OGG, SFO and JFK.

    Encountered nothing of the sort. At JFK, there may have been an occasional video screen off in a corner, with the audio muted.

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    Chris says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    But but but don’t you dare call him deplorable.

    How many of his voters even know what that word means?

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    TS says:

    @amk: The external polls are a disaster – Trump doesn’t have no internal polls – they cost money – his rallies are yooooge – no need for polls

    Now Ryan on the other hand – he has seen the internal polls – every man for himself

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    trollhattan says:

    Not to mention even after Heller, that the D.C. gun rulz are way different than at whatever shithole they live in.

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    NotMax says:

    Trump now complaining about a vast right wing conspiracy?


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    Cermet says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: I just like to say “Our Dad” has done his job and is leaving. President Obama has been that type of person for all of us; even the deplorables…

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:


    How do you keep 10,000 hardcore armed Trump supporters from overrunning DC security forces on January 20th?

    Special road signage. “Turn Right here for Whites-Only Highway. Straight Ahead for Coloureds Only.”

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    Mnemosyne says:


    It’s better today. I slept better last night because I dug out my prescription nasal spray (Azelastine, I think). I may take someone’s advice from last night and get some Afrin for bedtime since it’s the not being able to breathe at night that really bugs me.

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    gf120581 says:

    What is this I’m hearing that Trump attacked the Debate Commission today and said “I’m done.” Is he saying he’s going to blow off the final debate?

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    piratedan says:

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym: is hoping for the entire enchillada…

    Arpaio jailed and put in his own village in a pink jumpsuit (but not gonna happen with the Feds… but still)
    Hillary wins the state
    AZ sweeps McSally out of office
    AZ send McCain to one of his seven vacation homes
    AZ send Trent “I’m a fucking ignoramus” Franks packing too

    The last two would be a complete surprise but then again, who knew how many of us were this sane?

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    Chris says:


    How do you keep 10,000 hardcore armed Trump supporters from overrunning DC security forces on January 20th?


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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Sm*t Cl*de: Set up a toll booth, they’ll have to go back and get change(H/T to ‘Blazing Saddles”).

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    piratedan says:

    @gf120581: well, they wouldn’t let him have his Jerry Springer moment, so he’s being the petulant emotional toddler that he is… and you know I really would prefer to watch something else than another display of that imbecile and then be subject to the analytical fluffing of his performance afterwards.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: I used Target brand Nyqil/Dayqil and now I’m on Musenex at night.

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    Corner Stone says:

    WTF happened to Alex Wagner? Did the HRC campaign touch the doll somewhere I am not aware of?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mike E: Carrie Fisher has said, and she has some experience in these matters, that he’s definitely a cokehead.

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    singfoom says:

    He keeps saying how stacked the deck is against him how the GOP won’t support him. He’s basically acknowledging that he’ll lose. Sure, he’ll stoke the rigged thing but I doubt it’ll come to much. I’ll put money on him grifting right through the failure of the election.

    “I may have been stopped from winning the Presidency by crooked Hillary and the rigged System (good punk band name) but we’ve started a movement they cannot stop. Grab your membership card for $45.99 and VIP membership for $100. It’s going to be the yoougest classiest movement you’ve ever seen.”

    He’ll take in a bunch of rubes, nothing will happen, nothing will be produced (maybe some bullshit hats or shirts) and then he’ll fizzle.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I think Carrie said she has a PhD in the subject.

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    jk says:

    4 gutless members of Congress are now saying they will still vote for Trump for president after calling over the weekend for him to step aside and for Mike Pence to replace him.

    Sen. John Thune (R-SD)
    Tuesday: “He has a lot of work to do, I think, to win this election,” Thune told the Rapid City Journal, which reported that Thune would still likely cast his ballot for Trump. “But, I’m certainly not going to vote for Hillary Clinton.”
    Saturday: Donald Trump should withdraw and Mike Pence should be our nominee effective immediately,” Thune said in a statement.

    Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE)
    Tuesday: “I plan to vote for Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence on November 8,” she said on Nebraska’s KLIN. “I put out a statement … with regard to Mr. Trump’s comments. I felt they were disgusting. I felt they were unacceptable and I never said I was not voting for our Republican ticket.”
    Saturday: “The comments made by Mr. Trump were disgusting and totally unacceptable under any circumstance. It would be wise for him to step aside and allow Mike Pence to serve as our party’s nominee,” Fischer told the Omaha World-Herald.

    Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ)
    Tuesday: “The truth is Scott Garrett’s position has been consistent from the beginning. On Saturday, he denounced Donald Trump’s reprehensible comments and said he believes in Mike Pence. He has always believed that [Democratic nominee] Hillary Clinton is not the candidate whose leadership and policies are right for America. Donald Trump remains the nominee of the Republican Party, and Rep. Garrett has always said he will vote for the Republican Party nominee,” his spokesman said according to the Observer. Scott Garrett’s top priority in this election is stopping the Clinton-Gottheimer agenda of higher taxes, more wasteful spending, and weak national security policy.”
    Saturday: “I am appalled that he would brag about violating a woman’s physical boundaries. As a husband and father of two daughters, I denounce his comments and the behavior that it incites,” Garrett said in a statement. “I believe that Mike Pence would be the best nominee for the Republican Party to defeat Hillary Clinton.”

    Bradley Byrne (R-AL)
    Tuesday: “He will support the Republican ticket on Election Day, as he has pledged to do all along,” said Seth Morrow, Byrne’s spokesman told AL.com. “He just believes that person should be Mike Pence.”
    Saturday: “It is now clear Donald Trump is not fit to be President of the United States and cannot defeat Hillary Clinton. I believe he should step aside and allow Governor Pence to lead the Republican ticket,” Byrne said according to a statement posted by a local NBC affiliate.

    h/t TPM

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Bnad: The Old Guard can handle amateur wussies with ease.

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    PPCLI says:

    @amk: But Donald, you should be happy that Obama is campaigning for Hillary. Everybody hates, Obama, right? A third Obama term is a horrifying idea to the voters, didn’t you say?

    Democrats would have been ecstatic if Bush II had gone out campaigning for McCain. Really, the DNC would have paid Bush’s expenses.

    Could it be that you actually realize that Obama is exceptionally popular for a president in his final year, and that if he were running against you it would be a landslide of Nixon-McGovern proportions?

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    Peale says:

    @NotMax: I wish he had a daughter who was getting married. I really don’t like him using OUR excuses.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Chris: Killary used it to describe them so it’s a bad bad word.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @efgoldman: Around here, they’ve been bringing in High School students to help out in the polls, I think it’s a really good idea.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @gf120581: He thinks he won both of the prior debates and has said that he’s looking forward to the next one. I cannot imagine why he’d skip the debate hosted by a Fox News personality.

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    Tokyokie says:

    Nice to know that der Trumpenführer is starting his own Dolchstoßlegende story.

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    gogol's wife says:


    go back and get a s–tload of dimes, to be exact

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    amk says:

    the happiest man now, jeb or kasich?

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    singfoom says:

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Hah, it’s already begun. What’ll be interesting to see is if the rubes ever catch onto the con and what happens afterwards.

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    Peale says:

    @jk: Makes me concerned that the polls have reversed.

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    eric says:

    @Bnad: Wolverines! Film Festival

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    Brachiator says:


    What is this I’m hearing that Trump attacked the Debate Commission today and said “I’m done.” Is he saying he’s going to blow off the final debate?

    Oh please! Oh please! Oh please!

    But wait …

    Trump went on to suggest that he might skip the third debate, scheduled for October 19 in Las Vegas. “I have no respect for that group, by the way, I’m done,” he said of the CPD. Trump spokesperson Jason Miller told the Daily Beast’s Olivia Nuzzi that Trump does, in fact, plan to participate in the third debate.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @jk: Surprised? Isn’t this what you expect spineless and craven politicians to do? I assume their base told them in no uncertain terms that if they didn’t support Der Trumpf, their political careers would be finished. It’s not like they have any other skills.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @amk: Kasich, he won’t have Bar glaring at him over Thanksgiving dinner.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @amk: Still John Boehner, I think.

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    amk says:

    john fucking thune was considered a ‘presidential material’ once upon a time.

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    dmsilev says:

    No link yet, but NYT just sent out a breaking news alert that two women have come forward accusing Trump of groping them.

    And no, not in a locker room.

    Edit: Story is now up:

    Donald J. Trump was emphatic in the second presidential debate: Yes, he had boasted about kissing women without permission and grabbing their genitals. But he had never actually done those things, he said.

    “No,” he declared under questioning on Sunday evening, “I have not.”

    At that moment, sitting at home in Manhattan, Jessica Leeds, 74, felt he was lying to her face. “I wanted to punch the screen,” she said in an interview in her apartment.

    More than three decades ago, when she was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company, Ms. Leeds said, she sat beside Mr. Trump in the first-class cabin of a flight to New York. They had never met before.

    About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Mr. Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her.

    According to Ms. Leeds, Mr. Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.
    Mr. Trump’s claim that his crude words had never turned into actions was similarly infuriating to a woman watching on Sunday night in Ohio: Rachel Crooks.

    Ms. Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan, when she encountered Mr. Trump outside an elevator in the building one morning in 2005.

    Aware that her company did business with Mr. Trump, she turned and introduced herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go, she said. Instead, he began kis

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Yep, I have DayQuil, too. The one time I tried Mucinex, I had a really scary coughing jag, so now I stay away from it.

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    Chris says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Kind of makes sense. If you truly believe that conservative values are better for the country than liberal ones, then you swallow your doubts and vote for whoever they nominate. Their flaw is that their values are horrific and lead quite logically to the things Trump says and threatens. They just don’t like to face up to that. At least not when it’s expressed that crudely and with the kind of electoral consequences they’re looking at.

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    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    Somebody’s gotta go back and get a sh1tload of dimes!

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    dmsilev says:

    From that same NYT story,

    In a phone interview on Tuesday night, a highly agitated Mr. Trump denied every one of the women’s claims.

    “None of this ever took place,” said Mr. Trump, who began shouting at The Times reporter who was questioning him. He said that The Times was making up the allegations to hurt him and that he would sue the news organization if it reported them.

    “You are a disgusting human being,” he told the reporter as she questioned him about the women’s claims.

    Please please please tell us there’s a recording which will be made public. Please please please.

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    debbie says:


    Rob Portman (OH) is an even bigger weasel. He says he can’t support Trump, so he’s going to write in Mike Pence, which he can’t do because Pence didn’t file as a write in.

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    jacy says:


    It’ll be hilarious when the next Trump tape gets released, and they have to take it back again. Everybody says worse is coming.

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    redshirt says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Holy cow. This ad shows why Trump doesn’t want Obama campaigning for Clinton. I love this man. He’s so inspiring. I am a little teary watching this.

    Thank you so much for the link. Fantastic ad. Got a bit teary myself. I love the man and his family and am already sad knowing he’ll be off the main stage soon enough.

    Having Hillz on it will soothe the loss a great deal.

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    amk says:

    lil jeb spent what over 150 mil and yet couldn’t find all these dirt on donnie?

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    Elizabelle says:


    Another shoe drops. And it will be heard.

    What happens if the GOP replaces Trump with that nice Paul Ryan?

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    dmsilev says:

    @Elizabelle: Another shoe, but almost certainly not the last one. Does anyone believe that these two women were the only victims? The first story, on the airplane, makes it sound like this was something he did on a fairly regular basis.

    And I don’t think the GOP can get rid of Trump. Early voting and absentee voting are underway in a bunch of states already; he’s on the ballot, like it or not. Sure, there are complicated faithless-elector bank-shots that could get someone in as a replacement, but then you’d have to explain a Rube Goldberg device to your millions of supporters and hope that “vote for Trump, but not really” is a winning slogan. I’m dubious.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @amk: Kasich. Jeb knows he’ll never be President.

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    trollhattan says:

    The Cosby flood may foretell the coming Trump flood. If women feel emboldened by others coming before, who knows what we’ll find out about?

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    Elizabelle says:

    When I first heard the NYTimes scoop, I wondered “so, which wife was pregnant when he was acting up?”

    And he was a newlywed, to the lucky Melania, when he forced a kiss on the 22 year old secretary.

    And a few days later, he dropped by and obtained her phone number (ruse was a modeling agency).

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    scav says:

    Thinking back, Hillary saying he likes to hang around beauty pageants leads me to suspect there are a binderful of those at least. But then once the scree-slope begins to fail, who knows how many more will fall out (and resonate).

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    Honus says:

    @tobie: to be fair, Hoover was an engineer.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:


    Count me out… I’m pretty beta. I hate those alpha types.

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    gf120581 says:

    @Peale: Nope, it’s terror of the Trump-loving base. The polls are still Godawful, but they’re even more terrified of being abandoned by the true believers, who are already threatening to vote for Trump and leave the down ballot blank.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Earlier this afternoon, the WaPost had a story up about potential upcoming working relationship between HRC and Paul Ryan.

    It had a “two wonks” headline or blurb, which I notice has disappeared. Snort territory.

    Any time is the proper time to fluff that nice Paul Ryan. You know, the wonk. With principles.

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    Trentrunner says:

    Trump has been an adult male for 52 years.

    If he committed some kind of sexual infraction just once a month every year since then, that means there are approx 600 women out there.


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    Hal says:

    Prenuptial agreement aside, Melania could make a shit ton of money on a tell all. Hell, if she decided to dump Trump after the election he’d probably pay her a truck load to keep her mouth shut.

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    CarolDuhart2 says:

    I don’t understand the resistance now. Early voting relieves the pressure on polls and voters alike. Benefits of early voting:
    I first voted early on Colunbus Day, 2008. Since I was off anyway, decided to do my civic duty. Went to the BOE, was no line. Got personal service by the election employees, who carefully checked my paperwork and had a choice of voting booths. Was able to look over the ballot, fill it out without feeling that I was holding up the line. Left and knew I didn’t have to then sit up and wait for results. I went, had a leisurely birthday dinner and went to sleep.
    Good weather. Rarely is all 20 or 30 days bad.
    Saturday and Sunday vote (Where available) No need to ask for time off to vote for most people, and can stand in line without worrying about staying up on a work night.
    Vote will be counted since already in the hopper.
    Civic duty-if everyone who could vote early does so, saves spaces for those who can only vote on the Main Election Day.
    Chance to correct errors of registration-wrong address, check to see if wrong precinct.

    Let’s face it. There’s simply too many of us now to accommodate on a single Election Day, especially given the long ballots we now have to fill out (mine is two-sided scanned ballot). Not only that, but we now work shifts and fixed hours, unlike the first voting days where we could just stop plowing for a few hours and walk to the county square whenever we got a minute (or hour) free.

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    Honus says:

    @catclub: and, um Vice President for eight years.

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    grandpa john says:

    @Chris: In that time period, there were no southern liberals, the conservatives were the southern democrats.

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    Keth P. says:

    @trollhattan: Trump pissed off Gloria Allred years ago. The check’s now due.

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    Trentrunner says:

    @Hal: The other side will always pay more. :)

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    hovercraft says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    There are onions around me causing me to leak. I’m so sad that it’s almost over. I’ll probably cry on January 20th. I’ll be sad to see the Obama’s leave and happy to seen the first woman president take office.

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    Peale says:

    @Elizabelle: I wonder how many votes he’d lose vs. the number of votes she’d lose if she openly embraced him. Enough for him to lose his seat?

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Trentrunner: Binders full of them. *runs away giggling*

    Re the NYT story: one of the incidents happened 30 years ago, one happened 11 years ago. Whatever these particular stories reveal about Donald Trump, they’re part of an ongoing conversation which Americans seem to be having about gender, and particularly about power and misogyny. Painful, but potentially a very good thing.

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    Trentrunner says:

    @Lizzy L: I thought we had this “conversation” when Anita Hill testified 25 years ago.

    Apparently we are going to keep having these “conversations” for a long, long time.

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    Chris says:

    @grandpa john:

    Clearly. But the pretzels they twist themselves into while simultaneously claiming (Confederate flag, states’ rights platform, etc) and rejecting (“but they were all Democrats, not conservatives!”) the segregationist Southern Democrats’ legacy is frickin’ amazing.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Keith P.:
    She’s been on a roll lately. I think the media finally got fed up with her just coming on and spouting m=non stop bullshit and never answering questions. Last night she was asking Anderson Cooper why Clinton was stuck at 46%, he shot back that she was beating her candidate, she went back to but why since she’s so experienced is she stuck at 46, and again he shot back that 46 is higher than 37. Then she said Bill’s paying Paula Jones 88k was an admission of guilt so Anderson asked if that meant all the times Trump settled were an admission of guilt, she said that was different, he asked how. Not pretty.

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    goblue72 says:

    A 50 State strategy sure would have come in handy right about now. Instead, we’ve got a horribly weakened Rubio likely to still win because the best the Florida Democratic party could hairball up is a rich guy’s son empty suit who only recently changed his party from GOP Dem (his opponent in the primary was the odious Alan Grayson).

    And various House seats with the Democratic candidate running being complete nobodies. There’s the guy in the NJ-3rd who has been unemployed the last 6 years. Apparently Democrats couldn’t find somebody better in this year of the populist backlash to run against a freshman Republican who was an insurance company CEO. California-10th features a beekeeper as the Democratic candidate who has never held elected office. (At least, he’s Latino, though you wouldn’t know as such from his name or much of his materials.) His opponent is straight out of California Republican douchebag central casting. In the Kansas-3rd, we got a novice Democrat who is an investment advisor/commodities trader (JHC on a biscuit, really?!?!) who turns out…wait for it, wait for it….isn’t actually licensed in the state of Kansas to be an investment advisor.

    But yes, we are super duper good at winning the White House. Actually controlling legislatures….ehhh, not so much.

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    Lizzy L says:

    @Trentrunner: Don’t know how long it will take. The conversation we had 25 years ago exposed a lot, so that was good. OTOH, Clarence Thomas is a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and Hillary Clinton doesn’t look presidential. So we’re not finished. How many years did it take for white Americans to recognize that people brought from Africa to be their slaves, and their descendants, are fully human? Are we finished with that conversation? I would say — not yet.

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    Ian says:

    @Fair Economist:
    You forgot the doofus in chief who shall not be named.

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    RL says:

    The DNC is running spots on getting out to vote to secure President Obama’s legacy on a sports talk radio staion in Dallas….
    time to run up the score and win back the house.

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    SenyorDave says:

    I have said this before, but it needs repeating. Donald Trump is much worse than people think he is. Much, much worse. Now there are reports that he would walk around backstage while the girls were getting dressed at the MISS TEEN USA pageant! Some of the girls were as young as 15. He’s a complete and total degenerate, and I’m surprised one of the mothers didn’t get into it with him.

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    Chyron HR says:


    It physically HURTS you that the filthy whore who stole the nomination from the Great One is going to win in a landslide, doesn’t it? How sad. :^(

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    mike in dc says:


    I put the over/under on public allegations/victims at 20 before Election day. I’ll take the over.

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    Hell, if she decided to dump Trump after the election he’d probably pay her a truck load to keep her mouth shut.

    She could probably get more by threatening to spill the beans now, when it matters more.

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    goblue72 says:

    @Chyron HR: Only in your looney tunes head where everyone but you is a cartoon character, sure. In the reality in which I actually live in, no.

    We might have some shots in state legislatures. U.S. House could certainly turn in a major landslide, but the national party on the House side via the D-triple-C really got caught with its pants down and have nobody to blame but themselves.

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    Enhanced Voting Techinques says:

    Tump’s Razor says Trump will set for maximum stupid come Nov 10th, and that means only one thing; Trump will produce a Sovereign Citizens Emergency Powers Commission full of Constitutional Judges and Freeman County Sheriffs that will certified he won and indite Hillary for treason. In the inditement her name will be spelled “Hilary Clinton”.

    I dare anyone to come up a dumber scenario than that.

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    Les Bonnes Femmes says:

    @jk: But, can you imagine what their receptionists were having to deal with? Do you think anyone called Thune, or these other GOP “Public Servants”, praising them for their Moral Fortitude? No, it is possible there were death threats.

    Since Obama’s election, the GOP (nationally, at least) has been propping up their already minority coalition with a complete gang of spoilt crybaby racist, misogynistic goons.

    It is finally dawning on the elite powers of the GOP that they actually do not run the show anymore at the National ballot box.

    Now if we could only achieve that schism at the local and state level, things would be wonderful

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    @Enhanced Voting Techinques:
    I think you misunderstand Trump’s razor. It says that when trying to explain Trump’s behavior, the stupidest explanation (i.e. the one that involves the most stupidity) is most likely to be correct. That’s not at all the same thing as saying you can predict Trump’s behavior by imagining the stupidest thing he could possibly do.

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    Turgidson says:


    Trump is the typical GOP blowhard (but even more of an ass about it) in this regard too. Start with the conclusion and work backwards to fit whatever available evidence you can rustle up into that conclusion. Conclusion: Hillary is an evil person and has committed untold crimes. “Evidence” She wrote some emails homebrew server arglebargle! Verdict: Lock her up!

    The GOP has been doing this for years now, maybe decades. They do it with their religious faith in trickle down fairy dust stupidity. Paul Ryan hilariously did it when he wrote his “poverty report”, which SPOILER ALERT concluded that federal safety net programs do more harm than good and should be “reformed” into oblivion. He started with that conclusion and MacGyver’ed a few out-of-context citations from scholars who actually did the research into his report. The authors then called bullshit on his bullshit, not that he cared.

    As usual, Trump is just acting as a blunter object than the GOP usually puts up for high office.

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    LAC says:

    @Chyron HR: I agree. Go do your revolution bullshit. It will be over in a day.

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    Jesse says:

    I would take a bullet for Barack Obama. Just sayin. Love that man.

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    Jesse says:

    @Chyron HR: This is where I’m at. I’ve had just about enough of tiptoeing around so the “salt of the earth” racist types don’t get upset. And I’m a middle aged white guy! I can only imagine how mad people on the business end of their bullshit must be.

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    Jeffro says:


    I’m glad you picked up Jeffro’s comment. If only… Thanks.

    Hey, thanks to you and Betty both! Just trying to think of ways to make these GOP klowns do something decent for a change.

    Reminding everyone that the system is legit is NOT a pro-Clinton thing, amirite ol’ Paulie Blue Eyes??!?

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    LAC says:

    @hovercraft: and having done what I knew he would – campaign and support Clinton. Unlike what the vestiges of drunk bitter PUMAs at BJ thought.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Bnad: Tanks. If 10000 armed Trump supporters do try to gather, there will be plenty of advance notice to call out the military. Or arrest the ringleaders for treason.

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    stinger says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: May it be so!

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    Applejinx says:

    @Shalimar: The police are already militarized to an absurd extent.

    If it turns out they have unanticipated cause for being prepared in that way, so be it. I would be pretty untroubled if they took to treating screaming armed white male domestic terrorists like they treat unarmed passive black citizens. In fact, while they are clinging to the militarized occupying-force madness, they had BETTER use it on the only real threat to the Republic.

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    JR in WV says:


    “How do you keep 10,000 hardcore armed Trump supporters from overrunning DC security forces on January 20th? ”

    1st Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard)
    4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard)
    12th Aviation Battalion (TDA), Davison Army Airfield, Fort Belvoir. Includes the 911th Engineer Company.

    Just for starters. There’s a ton of military in and around DC. I would suspect Obama will have them awake thru January.

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    JR in WV says:


    If you think Trump HAS a truckload on money to pay Melania, you’re higher than he is.

    I think that boy is over-leveraged on his properties to the max, and the lack of bookings at his hotels and resorts is going to put him out of business right after the election.

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    cpinva says:

    @hellslittlestangel: @JR in WV:

    a couple of flyovers by A-10’s and a battalion of Marines should about do it. most of those 10k would end up shooting themselves in the foot anyway.

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